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Speaker 1: Costing more for jury services. These are new numbers out

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Speaker 1: this morning as well, so seven point one million was

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Speaker 1: spent in twenty twenty four. These are the latest number,

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Speaker 1: seven point one million for twenty twenty four on potential jurors,

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Speaker 1: which is up from five point sixty nine and twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two. Ministry can't say how many people actually ended

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Speaker 1: up serving. Number of jurists summoned also fell to a

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Speaker 1: smidge over two hundred and one thousand, which is down

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Speaker 1: from two hundred and seventy three thousand now. John Monroe

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Speaker 1: is the defense lawyer anders with us John Morning, Good

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Speaker 1: Morning UK, is looking at cutting back jury trials in general.

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Speaker 1: Should we?

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Speaker 2: I think there's probably some room to maybe reduce the

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Speaker 2: number of jury trials by putting up the maximum sentence

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Speaker 2: as to which jury trials can apply for. But otherwise

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Speaker 2: I think we should maintain that as much as possible.

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Speaker 2: Maintain jury trials as much as possible.

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Speaker 1: Because I was looking at the seven million dollars, even

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Speaker 1: if it is up, and I mean seven million dollars

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Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of things, it's just pocket change,

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Speaker 1: isn't it Hardly sending as.

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Speaker 2: Broke exactly right, exactly the two.

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Speaker 1: Hundred and one thousand people who were called. How much

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Speaker 1: of this system I'm reading about the poor bloke who

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Speaker 1: sat there for two and a half days in Manikou,

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Speaker 1: going nowhere, doing nothing, and he was keen as a

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Speaker 1: being to serve. How much of this is just we're

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Speaker 1: just wasting everyone's time.

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Speaker 2: There's always going to be a little bit of slippage,

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Speaker 2: I think in the system, because it's not perfect. But

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Speaker 2: by and large, the system works very very well. And

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Speaker 2: we have a very very busy city now with many

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Speaker 2: many courts and the judges under a lot of stress,

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Speaker 2: and the system is very under stress. But in saying that,

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Speaker 2: it's so important that we have people in the community

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Speaker 2: making decisions on criminal justice from our community, and I

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Speaker 2: think it's fundamental that we continue with that even.

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Speaker 1: If it's not done willingly, which I'd suggest to you

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Speaker 1: that many people would be there under some duress.

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Speaker 2: Yes. Look, the sad part of it, Mike, and I've

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Speaker 2: seen that over the years growing is that we have

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Speaker 2: people in our community that I wouldn't want to say

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Speaker 2: bad word online, but we have people in our community

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Speaker 2: that just don't care anymore. They don't care for their

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Speaker 2: civic duty and that's really sad from a lawyer's point

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Speaker 2: of view to see, because I think we all need

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Speaker 2: to do this, and I think it's really important that

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Speaker 2: we do do it. And to see people coming in

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Speaker 2: and basically turning their nose up it because they're losing

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Speaker 2: a bit of money out of their job where they're

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Speaker 2: wasting their time, sometimes it's sad to see. I would

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Speaker 2: look at actually, given the low figures, I'd actually like

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Speaker 2: to see jury members get more money for sitting on juries.

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Speaker 1: You reckon that it's not.

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Speaker 2: Necessarily won't necessarily fix it, but I do shudder sometimes.

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Speaker 2: I think it's something like sixty dollars or sixty dollars

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Speaker 2: a day for a jury to sit on a juror jury,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's just not enough for people that

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Speaker 2: are self employed. I think a lot of employees need

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Speaker 2: to cover that cost and they should do so in

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Speaker 2: their employment contracts.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff, John, nice to talk to. You appreciate it

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Speaker 1: very much, John Munroe, who is a defense lawyer. The story,

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Speaker 1: if you missed it, so the guy was super keen

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Speaker 1: and he went down to the Manecar Court which is

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Speaker 1: in South Autland. He sat there for the whole day

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Speaker 1: nothing happened, and told to come back the next day.

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Speaker 1: Sat there for a whole day, nothing happened, come back

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Speaker 1: a third day. By lunchtime that day wasn't selected. So though,

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Speaker 1: this doesn't seem to work, and he'd be right

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