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Speaker 1: You're listening to this Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at Me.

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Speaker 2: Catherine Rains joins me now to talk books. Good morning,

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Speaker 2: Good morning, how are you. I'm really good. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I love the title of this first book we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about, because it sounds like a great piece

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Speaker 2: of fiction, but of course it's nonfiction. It actually happened,

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Speaker 2: How the World Ran Out of Everything by Peter S. Goodman.

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Speaker 3: So he's talking in this about the global supply chain,

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Speaker 3: and the premise of the book is that we live

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Speaker 3: in this time of almost instantaneous purchasing, where you can

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Speaker 3: get anything at the click of a screen and delivered

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Speaker 3: to our doorstep, and we don't really give it a

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Speaker 3: second thought. And so he looks at the inner workings

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Speaker 3: of the supply chain and the factors that lead to

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Speaker 3: its vulnerability. And so he takes us at a deep

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Speaker 3: inside that and the humans behind it, and the factories

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Speaker 3: in Asia, and he talks to an armand grower in

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Speaker 3: North California, and some railway workers in Texas and a

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Speaker 3: truck driver that he actually needs across hundreds of miles

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Speaker 3: of the Great Pains, and he has this very powerful argument.

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Speaker 3: I think for reforming the supply chain to become resilient.

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Speaker 3: And he nobody, none of us really paid particularly much

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Speaker 3: attention to labor and shareholders in the supply chain until

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Speaker 3: March twenty twenty when the world's shut down. And this

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Speaker 3: book specifically really looks at America and for the first

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Speaker 3: time facing bear shelves and modern history, and you know

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Speaker 3: this seemingly endless cycle of shortages. You know, first it

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Speaker 3: was toilet paper, and then it was flour, and people

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Speaker 3: were trying to build their new at home lives, and

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Speaker 3: you just got faced with non stock and bear shelves,

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Speaker 3: and some of those shortages, he argues, could have been

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Speaker 3: prevented if there was good inventry levels in America, and

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Speaker 3: some of them were just lies, and it was you know,

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Speaker 3: if things are in short supply, the price goes up,

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Speaker 3: and so the supply chain break almost looks like it's

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Speaker 3: come and gone. But the impact on the sly chain

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Speaker 3: in the economy with things like inflation, and what he

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Speaker 3: does is he follows the story of this single forty

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Speaker 3: foot shipping container and it's a journey across the world

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one, and he talks to the people

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Speaker 3: involved and what happens and the fact that it takes

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Speaker 3: almost a year, and this whole disruption and the factory

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Speaker 3: in China, and it's fascinating because you don't really give

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Speaker 3: much thought to this and the unseen labor that brings

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Speaker 3: things to your door. No, I have a s that

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Speaker 3: we're asking a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a strange fascination with shipping. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's just it's such an incredibly old industry and I

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Speaker 2: just love the logistics of how we move things around

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Speaker 2: the world and how that seems to work. So does

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Speaker 2: it go into sort of the shipping and what happened

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Speaker 2: on that side of things as well?

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Speaker 3: Yes, he does, because as you're following that about of

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Speaker 3: COVID then and then the and you know other things,

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Speaker 3: and he calls it the great supply chain disruption, and yes,

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Speaker 3: and those bottlenecks at every step in the way, so

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Speaker 3: not just the factories, but the ships and fast getting

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Speaker 3: stuck at ports and all sorts of things. As he

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Speaker 3: follows those stories and different workers and different people, it's

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Speaker 3: really interesting.

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Speaker 2: Is JP Pomaro becoming one of our most prolifical.

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Speaker 3: I think so, because seventeen years later is his seventh

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Speaker 3: foot and this one centers the narrative around a true

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Speaker 3: chi crime podcast called Legacy, And It's happened that a

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Speaker 3: murder happened of a very English family called the Primrose

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Speaker 3: Family seventeen years ago in the very quiet little town

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Speaker 3: of Cambridge in New Zealand, and the family chef was

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Speaker 3: arrested a few hours later and has been in prison

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Speaker 3: ever since. And this podcaster, a woman called Sloan Abbot,

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Speaker 3: is looking into the story, believing that Bill Caramero, the

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Speaker 3: chef that was arrested, was not given a fair trial,

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Speaker 3: and as she's prompted to take on this case, she

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Speaker 3: focuses on the accusation and trial is a potential miscarriage

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Speaker 3: of justice. But when she starts investigating, she finds that

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Speaker 3: everybody involved in the story in the case believes that

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Speaker 3: Bell committed the crime, including a psychologist a guy called

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Speaker 3: jenru Phillips TK, who was very close to Bill until

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Speaker 3: he became completely convinced that Bill did it. And Abbot

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Speaker 3: discovers this new piece of evidt and the case begins

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Speaker 3: to reopen and TK is drawn back in and you

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Speaker 3: get Bill's accounts of the events that lead up to

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Speaker 3: the killing starting with his return from Australia and being

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Speaker 3: hired as a live and cook for the Primroses. And

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Speaker 3: you flip back and forth and time in different perspectives

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Speaker 3: in the Suspects, and there's lots of red hearings in

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Speaker 3: this and it's a book that's rich with our own

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Speaker 3: culture and history, and there's themes of colonization and racism

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Speaker 3: and the ways of which Bill and the other married

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Speaker 3: characters were treated by the Primroses. And the book starts

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Speaker 3: off really slowly, but you get this absolutely roller coaster

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Speaker 3: of story and lots of suspense, and you're completely hooked

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Speaker 3: as the events of seventeen years ago are revealed. And

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Speaker 3: I thought that I kept picking who was who was

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Speaker 3: the person, and every time.

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Speaker 2: I was like not, then I love a book. The

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Speaker 2: KENSI guessing seventh book is J. P. Permire's style changing

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Speaker 2: at all.

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Speaker 3: A little, But I think that he's so good at

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Speaker 3: sort of hoking you into a story that has changes

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Speaker 3: over time. Yeah, he's still deep in sort of the

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Speaker 3: thriller kind of crime side of things. And I think

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Speaker 3: I think the style of writing's changing. I think it's

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Speaker 3: becoming more engrossing and better. I think of anything he's

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Speaker 3: just becoming a better author.

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Speaker 1: And the stories.

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Speaker 3: Are great, and lots of them have been optioned for

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Speaker 3: movies or TV series, and you know, they lend themselves,

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Speaker 3: and this one in particular lends itself very well to

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Speaker 3: that style of story.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Katherine. Those books that Catherine spoke about

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Speaker 2: were How the World Ran Out of Everything by Peter S.

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Speaker 2: Goodman and seventeen years later by JP Pomarte. It is

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Speaker 2: a fifteen to twelve newstalks EDB.

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