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Speaker 1: Now Stonehenge. I mean, jeez, you'll have seen this by

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Speaker 1: now right. Stonehenge, which is one of the UK's oldest monuments,

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Speaker 1: has been vandalized with orange powder by the Just Stop

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Speaker 1: Oil protesters. Two people have been arrested and both Rishi

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Speaker 1: Sunac and Kiostama, the guy who are running for Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister at the moment, have condemned the action. In a statement,

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Speaker 1: the group said, continuing to burn coal, oil and gas

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Speaker 1: will result in the death of millions. We have come

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Speaker 1: together to defend humanity or we risk everything now. Carol

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Speaker 1: Cohen is a member of climate protest group Extinction Rebellion

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Speaker 1: in New Zealand and is with us. Now, Hey, Carol Kurda,

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Speaker 1: how are you, Heather? I'm well, thank you. Do you

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Speaker 1: think they've gone a little bit far here?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's hard to say, isn't it, Because you have

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Speaker 2: got some responsibility with using corn starch. It's going to

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Speaker 2: run off next time it rains. It's not damaging stones.

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Speaker 2: It's making a point that you know, we've got a

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Speaker 2: climate crisis. Center of their population is concerned about the climate.

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Speaker 2: Most of your listeners will be concerned about the climate,

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Speaker 2: and yet we've got governments not only here in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: but all around the world who are just stalling on

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Speaker 2: taking action. And when they say that, you know, thousands

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Speaker 2: are going to or they say, I forget what number?

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Speaker 1: Million?

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Speaker 2: Yes die millions. Yes, Well, we've got people dying now.

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Speaker 2: We have three thousand or so a year in New

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Speaker 2: Zealand dying of air pollution. We've had people in India

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Speaker 2: right now dying of heat exhaustion because of the heatwave

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Speaker 2: and so on and so forth.

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Speaker 1: So, Carol, I mean, do you think that any when

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Speaker 1: these two people turn up and they're spraying the orange

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Speaker 1: stuff on Stonehenge, do you think that people look at

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Speaker 1: that and go, oh man, we've got to do something

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Speaker 1: about the climate. Or do they look then go pack

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Speaker 1: of clowns.

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Speaker 2: I think you get both if we think of our

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Speaker 2: experience here in this country over the ad One tour

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Speaker 2: that we had people going, you know, you shouldn't be

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Speaker 2: out on the street, you shouldn't be trying to disrupt

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Speaker 2: drunk feet and you had other people saying do you

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Speaker 2: think I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know that there's any equivalents because back in at the

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Speaker 1: Springbok tour, you had a lot of people taking to

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Speaker 1: the streets. It was a really big group. You get

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Speaker 1: to just oil people. I mean, it's a tiny handful

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Speaker 1: of crazies, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: This is a one off thing that's happened with only

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Speaker 2: two people. Yeah, they have streets. They've had so many protests.

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Speaker 2: They stopped the they interrupt sports, they interrupt traffic. They

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Speaker 2: it's just ongoing and it's big.

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Speaker 1: Hmm.

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Speaker 2: Okay at twenty thousand in the streets a couple of

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Speaker 2: weekends ago.

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Speaker 1: Carol, I'm kind of perplexed by the choice of Stonehenge, because,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the stones aren't doing anything to the climate,

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Speaker 1: are they. This just looks like a tension.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, and you chose it. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Why would it be appropriate for us here to I

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Speaker 2: don't know, do a c serverity protest with Queen Victoria statues.

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Speaker 2: Would that be wh irrelevant?

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Speaker 1: Why don't you vandalize some cycle ways?

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Speaker 2: Well, we want cycle ways. I'll tell you what I've

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Speaker 2: done here. We have gone and symbolically shut them down

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Speaker 2: and declared it a climate.

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Speaker 1: You shouldn't do that, Carol. Didn't you just hear what

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Speaker 1: I said about the GDP. The reason that we're technically

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Speaker 1: out of recessions because are dairy farmers. You got a

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Speaker 1: helpful on terror.

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Speaker 2: I know, well, yeah, I know you have to for

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Speaker 2: the GDP, But are you going to do GDP over

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Speaker 2: climate crisis when we have got first I am and

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Speaker 2: houses that are unlivable from last year's floods and cyclones

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Speaker 2: and why did we have such a terrible cyclone's terrible

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Speaker 2: floods They worked out it was about sixty percent worse

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Speaker 2: because of the climate.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, you still need the GDP to be able

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Speaker 1: to fix those houses. Carol, thank you. I really appreciate

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Speaker 1: you having a chat to us. It's Carol Cohen Extinction Rebellion.

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