1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: Barry Sober, senior political correspondence with US. 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 2: Now, Hey, Barry, good afternoon. Hither of course Trumpy wouldn't 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 2: have talked about Jasinda Dern to Chris Luckson when he 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 2: told him this morning, because look, the first meeting I 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 2: went to with Jacinda Drn overseas, and that was to 6 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 2: APEX in Vietnam, not long after she became Prime Minister 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 2: Trump he locked at her and mistaken her for Justin 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 2: Trudeau's what yees. 9 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 3: So it's entirely possible he hasn't realized she was the 10 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 3: Prime Minister of New Zealand, which is probably US dodging 11 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 3: a bollot with It'll be honest about. 12 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 4: It, hey, grim day in parliament and I am. 13 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: It was about two hundred survivors were in the public 14 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: galleries in Parliament watching from above as one of them 15 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 2: was disruptive, but that was from Tamaki's party and he's 16 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 2: disrupted politicians before. But certainly Chris Luckson was saying sorry 17 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: a lot, and he was sorry that they weren't believed 18 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: when they came forward with their complaints. Here's the Prime 19 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: Minister at the start of his speech today. 20 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 5: I stand before you as the representative of not only 21 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 5: this government, but of all the governments that have gone 22 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 5: before us, to offer a formal and unreserved apology for 23 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 5: the abuse that you suffered while in state care, churches 24 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 5: and other faith based places. It was horrific, it was heartbreaking, 25 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 5: It was wrong and it should never have happened. For 26 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 5: many of you. It changed the course of your life 27 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 5: and for that the government must take responsibility. 28 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: So it was a very somber Parliament this afternoon and 29 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: they rose after they introduced that peace of legislation. The 30 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 2: views of abuse and state care over the decades were 31 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 2: many and buried from the politicians today. They described the 32 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: abuse as things that it's so difficult for the young 33 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: and the vulnerable over the years, just in recent years. 34 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: The debate was led off by Erica Stanford from National. 35 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 2: It was followed by Labour's Carmel Sepoloni and then by 36 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: the Greens Chloe Swarbrick. Here they are in that order. 37 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 3: Some survivors did not live to hear this House state 38 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 3: clearly and unequivocally that what happened to them was wrong 39 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 3: and admit the failings of the state in turning a 40 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 3: blind eye, having an inadequate safeguarding and complaints processes, failing 41 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 3: to properly investigate perpetrators of abuse, and in some instances 42 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 3: colluding to cover up what happened. 43 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 4: As a New Zealand born Pacific person, born and raised 44 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 4: in the church, it sickens me to think that the 45 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 4: religion that I grew up practicing sat as a front 46 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 4: to the most evil practices of abuse against children and 47 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 4: vulnerable adults. 48 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 6: The system of power and secrets which enabled at least 49 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 6: a quarter of a million Maury who there tamadikin Rangatahi 50 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 6: to be abused through decades, was brought to this land 51 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:07,399 Speaker 6: and established through colonization and oppression. The abuse in state care, 52 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 6: mister speaker, has filled our prisons and grown gang numbers. 53 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 6: That is what the state is responsible for. 54 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. So the views, as I said, there were many 55 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 2: and varied, but it was somber. They rose at four 56 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 2: o'clock this afternoon, and no doubt they'll be mixing with 57 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 2: the people that gathered in the public galleries today. 58 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 4: So the Wellington observer stantces tomorrow, isn't he? 59 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: Oh, yes he does, Lindsay McKenzie. He was appointed, of 60 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 2: course as the observer to sit in some would say 61 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: the minister's nark at the Wellington City Council. Well Wellington 62 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 2: married Tory Farawl, aforementioned by you, doesn't believe having an 63 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: observer will be as dramatic as people think. Certainly, he's 64 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: there to sort through what is seen as a dysfunctional council. 65 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 2: Tory Farnel doesn't see it as a vote of no 66 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: confidence in her though in her leadership certainly, and says 67 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: counselors have been getting along better since the government stepped 68 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: in here. She is on Newstalk ZB with Nick Mills 69 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: this morning. 70 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: It will never be perfect, is what I'd say, and 71 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: that's due to the personalities that are in the room. 72 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: You know, when you disagree so fundamentally on things like 73 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: you know, values, policies and or so forth, it's going 74 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: to cause tension, It's going to be robust, will never 75 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: be best friends. And that's probably something I was naive 76 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: about when I first started as mayor. 77 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 2: That she most certainly was. Do you see she's joining 78 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 2: the he que? Yeah, I heard you say that. I 79 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 2: think that is just chose that her judgment is what 80 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 2: should not be as the mayor of the capital city. 81 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 3: Well, it's ridiculus just continued, naivety doesn't protesting totally. 82 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: Hey, really quickly run me through this. 83 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 4: What's going on with act wanting to wanting to buy 84 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:57,559 Speaker 4: television ads? 85 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: Well, it's been a report back of the Justice Select 86 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: Committee inquiry into the election last year and they say 87 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 2: that the government should consider whether broadcasting allocation should be 88 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,559 Speaker 2: removed and the lead up to an election, that's where 89 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: the taxpayer pays for elections on sorry our ads on 90 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: television and radio. Now certain the actors in favor of that. 91 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: It's been opposed by Labor and the Greens, though not 92 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: surprising considering they were the paupers essentially, although they did 93 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 2: raise a bit, but they were the paupers when it 94 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: came to voluntary donations and that's what Acts are arguing 95 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: that it should be on voluntary donations are not hampering. 96 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 4: Because the Acts were loaded at the last election. 97 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 2: Right, so the government so was national to right. 98 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 4: Barry, Thanks very much appreciated, Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent. 99 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 100 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 2: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 101 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.