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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can try to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: you get the answers, find a fag sack and give

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Speaker 1: the analysis. Heather Dupercy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand

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Speaker 1: and the power of satellite mobile news Dogs.

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Speaker 2: Be afternoon, Welcome to the show coming up today. The

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Speaker 2: Marine and Coastal Area's bill is passing tonight. Chrispin Layson

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Speaker 2: doesn't love it. He's with us after five. Mark Mitchell,

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Speaker 2: the Minister for Sport, has got involved in the Dame

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Speaker 2: Noles drama. He's with US two and six sixty on

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Speaker 2: their new Country Roots festival.

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Speaker 3: Heather duper Cy.

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Speaker 2: Alla, right, can anyone explain to me how it is

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Speaker 2: that four people saw it little girl drowned or drowning

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Speaker 2: in a fountain and didn't pull her out. This is

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Speaker 2: a case that has been raised by a coroner who's

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Speaker 2: just released his findings on it. It was in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three. It was in Toadung's Memorial Park. The little

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Speaker 2: girls four years old, and she was there with her

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Speaker 2: sister and her granddad. They'd just been dropped off by

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Speaker 2: the dad. The little girl ran in one direction, her

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Speaker 2: little to the water fountain. Her little sisters at the playground,

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Speaker 2: which is about one hundred meters away. Granddad went to

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Speaker 2: get the smallest one, the littlest daughter first, the granddaughter first,

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Speaker 2: and then went to go and find the four year old,

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Speaker 2: But in the three to four minutes that he was

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Speaker 2: doing that, she'd already died. Now, the coroner says that

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Speaker 2: the four year old probably would have died regardless of

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Speaker 2: But nevertheless, he is troubled that no one did pull

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Speaker 2: her out, because surely we all know by now that

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Speaker 2: the sooner you pull someone out of water, the greater

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Speaker 2: their chances of survival. Like it might just have started happening,

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Speaker 2: you can still save their life. One of the people

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Speaker 2: who saw it called one one one, still didn't pull

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Speaker 2: waiting the two minutes for the emergency services to arrive,

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Speaker 2: they didn't pull her out of the water. The whole time,

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Speaker 2: also didn't pull her out. So the question is what

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Speaker 2: is going on here that this has happened. The only

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Speaker 2: explanation I have is that our communities have broken down

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Speaker 2: to the extent that people don't even feel a basic

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Speaker 2: responsibility to look after each other anymore. Or is it

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Speaker 2: that people are afraid that if they get involved in

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Speaker 2: a scene where someone might have died, that they may

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Speaker 2: become a suspect. Or is it that people are just

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Speaker 2: spending so much time now watching stuff on their screens

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Speaker 2: stuff that you see happening on Netflix actually happens in

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Speaker 2: real life, people actually die. Or is this some sort

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Speaker 2: of a horrible twist in helicopter parenting where perhaps it's

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Speaker 2: become accepted that the only people who are responsible for

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Speaker 2: for that moment, and no one else can or should

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Speaker 2: get involved in what is happening to a child? Or

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Speaker 2: is it all of the above or is it none

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Speaker 2: of the above? And actually what's happened here is that

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Speaker 2: when things like this happen, most people just freeze and

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Speaker 2: don't know what to do. Most people are not heroes

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Speaker 2: Neither can the corridor. But I'd like to think that

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Speaker 2: we all learn something from this little girl's death, and

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Speaker 2: if we ever see someone, especially a child, in this

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Speaker 3: Heather duple Ce Ellen.

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Speaker 2: Nine two nine through is the text number standard text

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Speaker 2: fece apply and if you have a theory on what's

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Speaker 2: am all ears. I'd love to know. Now, road rage

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Speaker 2: at traffic stops is apparently getting out of control. A

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Speaker 2: new sector survey shows that two thirds of New Zealand's

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Speaker 2: traffic controllers a coppying abuse on a weekly basis, and

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Speaker 2: and with us now, hey Hugh.

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Speaker 4: Hey there, Heather, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for joining us. Have your workers experienced this

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a real challenge out there across the wide

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Speaker 4: we've had staff being yelled at, you know, almost hit

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Speaker 2: Is it as like as frequently as the survey suggests?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, I think you know, I wasn't involved in

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Speaker 2: What's causing it? Why are people behaving like this?

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Speaker 4: Well, I just wonder whether I mean, there's obviously been

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Speaker 4: people are frustrated, which which is totally understandable. You know,

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Speaker 4: it is a challenge out there, but I think it's

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Speaker 4: sort of trying to reframe this thinking to look at

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Speaker 2: Okay, So are you saying it's just a general frustration

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Speaker 4: So I think that you know, and there's also I

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Speaker 4: You know, could be a night work site that's just

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Speaker 4: which which obviously can't cause frustration, especially if they don't

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Speaker 3: These are real people.

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Speaker 4: They're like you or I, trying to do a job,

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Speaker 2: I'd like to think that most people are actually decent,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Hugh, it's good to talk to you. Thank you

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Speaker 2: very much, appreciate it.

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Speaker 7: Mate.

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Speaker 2: That's Hugh Gottad Pipeline and Civil Limited owner. So if

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Speaker 2: you thought it was bad for Netbull New Zealand, the

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Speaker 2: fact that most of us have realized that they are

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Speaker 2: the problem with the Dame Knowles situation and that there

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Speaker 2: seems to be a kind of turning of sentiment towards them.

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Speaker 2: If you thought that was bad enough, and there's got

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Speaker 2: a whole lot worse for them today because now there

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Speaker 2: this is where it really starts. This is what's going

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Speaker 2: to get things wriggling along very very quickly. So first

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Speaker 2: of all, Willie Jackson's piped up saying he wants Netball

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Speaker 2: New Zealand's funding frozen until it clears up the situation.

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Speaker 2: Netble New Zealand, by the way, gets about three million

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Speaker 2: sees to have known Dame Knowles's dad and he's got

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Speaker 2: a sympathy. He's talked to her about it. He doesn't

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Speaker 2: Minister Mark Mitchell has also piped up. He's now revealed

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Speaker 2: he's spoken with Sports New Zealand, which is the outfit

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Speaker 2: that gives the money to Netball New Zealand. He's told

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Speaker 2: need to help Netbull New Zealand get this resolve fairly

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Speaker 2: and quickly. And I would say, yeah, I wouldn't want

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Speaker 2: to be Netbull New Zealand today, would you. He is

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Speaker 2: going to this is Mark Mitchell. He's gonna be with

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Speaker 2: days of Dame Knowles are over. May we might be

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Speaker 2: jumping to conclusions. Anyway, We'll see what we can get

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Speaker 2: from Mark Mitchell when he's with us after five o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Right now quarter past.

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Speaker 3: Four, it's the Heather Duper See allan Drive full show.

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Speaker 2: What a nice guy talking about the road works. Site's

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Speaker 2: good to remember their apeace behind the cones. That's from

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Speaker 1: Sport with tab power plays better than locked Bigger odds

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Speaker 2: Elliott Smith's Sports Talk hoosters with us. Hey, Elliot, I.

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Speaker 8: Heard you talking about this before the break.

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Speaker 9: Have you called.

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Speaker 2: Netball New Zealand and just offered to be a supporter?

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Speaker 10: Can be the mediator?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: We could put this on yesternight seven o'clock, which.

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Speaker 2: Would just do it in public.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's right. It's like an election or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Imagine televised the ratings. It would go off, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 2: But have you seriously have you called them and just

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Speaker 2: done a welfare check and made sure they're okay?

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Speaker 8: I wouldn't want to be them. No, it's just one

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Speaker 8: thing after another, isn't it sucks? Then there are also

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Speaker 8: one neel down in the series. Let's not forget that

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Speaker 2: But Elliott, I don't feel sorry for this is what

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Speaker 2: happens when you stuff something up like this, and I

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Speaker 2: you know people sense of fairness.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I think that's it.

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Speaker 8: And everyone to a person promotions loves, apart from maybe

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Speaker 8: Nolan told her they may not, you know, the results

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Speaker 8: may not always come their way, but she wont to

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Speaker 8: World Cup for New Zealand. She was a savior when

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Speaker 8: she did come in in the first place back in

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Speaker 8: twenty eighteen. She's got an outgoing personality. She tells it

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Speaker 8: like it is, and that endears you to people. It's

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Speaker 8: not like an All Blacks coach, where even if you

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Speaker 8: lose a couple of games, people come at you. It's

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Speaker 8: you know, she is, as you said, a national treasure,

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Speaker 8: and when she is deemed to be treated unfairly, that's

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Speaker 8: when people get their their backs up. That I think

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Speaker 8: this is what happens.

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Speaker 2: But now is it possible for the thing to happen

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Speaker 2: the way that Willie Jackson wants it to happen, which

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Speaker 2: is funding to be withheld.

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Speaker 2: Are they going to restore it? Have they restored yours?

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Speaker 9: Double check if they managed to restore it. Does that

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Speaker 5: The'd be.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather d for Cellen Drive with One New Zealand

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Speaker 2: Were going, Heather, I've still got my word Le's streak,

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Speaker 2: that's Maureen. Yes, I have my street with word Oh. Yes,

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Speaker 2: in all games has been restored. That's from Katie Hither.

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Speaker 13: I don't believe he should stay in that role. And

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Speaker 2: anyone looking at that knows that was tongue in cheek.

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Speaker 3: We heard the laughter.

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Speaker 2: We know that we had a very successful meeting, and

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Speaker 2: Shortly over in Palestine in the Middle East, the Gaza

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Speaker 2: And finally, and Oregon Town has held its annual Giant

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 2: And just in case you were like, what was up

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Speaker 3: That's not bad.

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Speaker 5: My yeah, pumpkin up. He's really gonna lift his musical game,

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Speaker 5: I'm afraid.

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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what that was, lifting his game.

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Speaker 5: It was busted. Your wordle streak was bus at your port?

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Speaker 2: Adieu A D I EU? What's yours?

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Speaker 5: Radio?

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Speaker 2: R A D bad? But I think we've used radio.

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Speaker 2: So what you're doing by doing that all the time

441
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Speaker 2: is that you're never going to get it in one.

442
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Speaker 2: But adu is still it's yet to come up. So

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Speaker 2: there's the chance I still get that in one. And

444
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Speaker 2: when it comes up, then I'm going to switch to snort.

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Speaker 5: Oh, there you go. We's got enough vowels in snorts.

446
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Speaker 3: Nah.

447
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Speaker 2: But then what you do is you go snort first

448
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Speaker 2: and then you follow it up with a second one

449
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Speaker 2: that's got all the other vowels, and then between the

450
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Speaker 2: first two you've got enough to kind of carry on

451
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Speaker 2: from there. I usually get in the three. What about you?

452
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Speaker 5: Oh no, no, I get down to six some days.

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Speaker 5: Oh do you?

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Speaker 11: Oh?

455
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Speaker 2: Rough a mate? Anyway, listen, tell me about elbow. That

456
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Speaker 2: willn't that bad in the end.

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Speaker 15: Oh well, if you consider, you know, like poor old

458
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Speaker 15: Zelanski and Cyah Ramafos from South Africa, they were absolutely

459
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Speaker 15: creamed by Donald Trump.

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Speaker 5: I mean he was just a bully today.

461
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Speaker 15: I mean, let me do share some quotes Donald Trump

462
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Speaker 15: described Australia as quote a fantastic place. It's prime minister,

463
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Speaker 15: quote highly respected, who'd done a fantastic job. I would

464
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Speaker 15: say there's never been anybody better than mister Albanezy than Anthony.

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Speaker 5: He said this to the camera. It's a great honor

466
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Speaker 5: to have you as my friend, and a great honor

467
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Speaker 5: to have you in the United States of America. So

468
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Speaker 5: all the gushing, I mean, everybody was terrified here was he.

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Speaker 15: Got to go in there and get the Ramafos treatment

470
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Speaker 15: and get the Zelenski treatment.

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Speaker 5: It couldn't be further from that. And some very it

472
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Speaker 5: wasn't just all about gushing praise. Some significant, significant deals

473
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Speaker 5: have been done, as a multi billion dollar minerals deal.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it couldn't have happened that.

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Speaker 15: The timing for Anthony, alban Esi, Heather could not have

476
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Speaker 15: been better. China played that exotic minerals card last week.

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Speaker 15: There's Albanesi in the oval. We're not in the cabinet

478
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Speaker 15: room today signing a deal to Eventually, the plan is

479
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Speaker 15: to replace all of the all the stuff China's stockpiling.

480
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Speaker 15: There's also a brand new recommitment to Orcus from the

481
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Speaker 15: United States that means we're going to get nuclear submarines,

482
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Speaker 15: and Anthony Albanese said, well, if you love us so much,

483
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Speaker 15: what about a visit down under? So look, from the

484
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Speaker 15: Prime Minister's point of view, Eather, it could not have

485
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Speaker 15: gone more smoothly, as you say, a bit of a

486
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Speaker 15: bit of a backhanded for Kevin Rudd. And you know

487
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Speaker 15: the position here really clutching his straws oh sacking second,

488
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Speaker 15: that's not going to happen.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's just not going to happen.

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Speaker 2: How do we feel about Albow? When when Donald Trump

491
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Speaker 2: sort of like, oh is he here? Elbow just points

492
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Speaker 2: and just like immediately he's just like there he is.

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Speaker 5: Well, I know, he threw him up.

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Speaker 15: He threw him out of the biggest bloody bus you've

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Speaker 15: ever seen, didn't he He didn't even he.

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Speaker 2: Didn't even say anything nice. There he is. There's Kevin Rudd.

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Speaker 2: Wonderful ambassable.

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Speaker 5: Policy is just a president.

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Speaker 2: This new research it says breastfin breastfeeding can prevent breast cancer.

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Speaker 2: Is this credible?

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Speaker 5: They say it is?

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Speaker 15: They look and I mean this link has been around

503
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Speaker 15: for some time, this suggestion that breastfeeding mums actually raise

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Speaker 15: their immunity levels against breast cancer.

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Speaker 5: There's been this new work done down in Melbourne, the

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Speaker 5: Peter McCallum Cancer Seeing Dore, one of the best in Australia.

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Speaker 5: And what they're saying down there, as you breastfeed as

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Speaker 5: a mum, you are creating these little specialized in immune

509
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Speaker 5: cells that apparently settle in breast tissue. Now these cells are.

510
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Speaker 15: Now acting as a I guess, a protective barrier if

511
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Speaker 15: you like, and any abnormal cells that come along and

512
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Speaker 15: they're presenting themselves as cancer cells.

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Speaker 5: The feeling is that if you get enough of these

514
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Speaker 5: cells you can turn them modern some way. These cells

515
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Speaker 5: that have been built up because of breastfeeding, we'll be

516
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Speaker 5: able to attack these horrible cancer cells. It's only a

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Speaker 5: small sample here. They're two hundred and sixty women who

518
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Speaker 5: had a breast reduction or a mastectomy to avoid the

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Speaker 5: chance of cancer. But women who have had children are

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Speaker 5: much more likely to have these immunity cells. So they're

521
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Speaker 5: very excited and they're going to be building on this

522
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Speaker 5: research for sure.

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Speaker 2: That's very very cool. And please to hear that, Murray,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much, Murray OL's Australia correspond And then yeah,

525
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Speaker 2: gives you another reason to get the old boob out

526
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Speaker 2: for the baby. Now here's this is what happened to

527
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Speaker 2: Kevin rudther this is how it played out.

528
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Speaker 1: Have you had any concerns for this administration with a

529
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Speaker 1: stance on Palestine?

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Speaker 16: I'm a change or even things the ambassador said about

531
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Speaker 16: you in the Pasti's strained ambassador.

532
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Speaker 3: I don't know anything about him.

533
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Speaker 6: And if he said bad, then maybe he'll like to apologize.

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Speaker 3: I really don't know.

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Speaker 6: Did an ambassador to say something bad?

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Speaker 17: Don't tell me where is he?

537
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Speaker 18: Is he still working?

538
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Speaker 19: Yeah?

539
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Speaker 3: You said bad?

540
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Speaker 1: Be dispositions to president.

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Speaker 6: I don't like you either, and probably never will go ahead.

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Speaker 2: That's not a big deal for Kevin Rudd. No one

543
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Speaker 2: really likes Kevin Rudd. Not even his own party members

544
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Speaker 2: liked Kevin Rudd. What he said about Donald Trump was

545
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Speaker 2: the most destructive president in history. He drags America and

546
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Speaker 2: democracy through the mud. But then he was happy to

547
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Speaker 2: set at his table, wasn't he. Now Listen, Barry Soap

548
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Speaker 2: is going to be with us very shortly. I need

549
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Speaker 2: to talk to you about what the public service has

550
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Speaker 2: done with the ads. We need to talk about that.

551
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Speaker 2: We also need to talk about and I'm going to

552
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Speaker 2: run you through those details. Also need to talk to

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Speaker 2: six sixty because six sixty have just announced a new

554
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Speaker 2: country and roots music festival, which seems like an unlikely

555
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Speaker 2: thing for them to do, but like the cashing in

556
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Speaker 2: on the Old Country Train, it's the coolest thing out

557
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Speaker 2: at the minute. So they've announced a festival. It's called

558
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Speaker 2: Sweet Home Olds Here at Or It's going to be

559
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Speaker 2: very early in January, like a third or something like that,

560
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Speaker 2: Upper Mattcana. It does feel like it's designed for Mike.

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Speaker 2: Do you do you feel like that because Mike, Mike's

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Speaker 2: up at Madicana. Mike loves country music. Mike will be

563
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Speaker 2: there over summer. Surely, if he knows what's good for him,

564
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Speaker 2: he could just pop along to this.

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Speaker 10: So I.

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Speaker 2: Was gonna say, I, I don't know that, like the

567
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Speaker 2: ha half. Of course, they haven't done it for Mike,

568
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Speaker 2: but then you never know where things happen for Mike.

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Speaker 2: Tammy Nielssen I looked at the lineup, I was like,

570
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Speaker 2: I don't know any of these people except for Tammy Nielsen.

571
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Speaker 2: She's amazing. But anyway, we'll talk to much to you

572
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Speaker 2: from six sixty and about twenty minutes time. It's sixteen

573
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Speaker 2: away from five.

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Speaker 1: For politics with centrics credit check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payments certainty.

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Speaker 2: Hither I had a seven hundred and sixty one word

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Speaker 2: le streak in about three months ago. It just disappeared

578
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Speaker 2: and now no streak has recorded at all. And you

579
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Speaker 2: has been a winner too. I always start with a

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Speaker 2: new word first up more interestingly, And Barry, what's your

581
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Speaker 2: starting word? A?

582
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Speaker 6: Do you as yours?

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Speaker 9: Either?

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Speaker 2: I know that, I know I've already said that.

585
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Speaker 6: Yeah, what's yours? I change mine?

586
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yours? Yours just goes with Like when you're angry,

587
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Speaker 2: you just start with the word angry sometimes, don't you.

588
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Speaker 6: But I'm never angry. I never start with a lot.

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Speaker 2: A lot actually anyway. Barrisoper, Senior Political corresponds is with

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Speaker 2: us now speaking of angry Willie Jackson.

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Speaker 6: Well, will he's certainly on the bandwangon, isn't he? And

592
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Speaker 6: he has an association with Dame nol and Tyro the

593
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Speaker 6: suspended netball coach. Look, I think this is going to

594
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Speaker 6: come to a head fairly quickly. Actually here the netball

595
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Speaker 6: New Zealand receives more than three million dollars from the

596
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Speaker 6: taxpayer through funding various things like high performance sport and

597
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Speaker 6: what have you. Mark Mitchell, who's a sports minister, he's

598
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Speaker 6: basically spoken to Sport New Zealand and he's outlined in

599
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Speaker 6: his expectations to bring the impast to an end. And

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Speaker 6: I think the only end in sight for this, and

601
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Speaker 6: I'll put up a hand if it doesn't happen. I

602
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Speaker 6: think Nolan Tyro will be reinstated before much longer.

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Speaker 2: Ah well, if you think that, then you must then

604
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Speaker 2: surely Jenny Wiley has to get the sack.

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Speaker 6: Well, I don't know. I mean, that's my expectation is

606
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Speaker 6: that Tyrone will be back. I think there's a feeling

607
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Speaker 6: generally in government circles, circles as well as anywhere else

608
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Speaker 6: that she's been badly treated. Few players that are not

609
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Speaker 6: happy with the schedule that she puts some turn expects

610
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Speaker 6: them to follow. Sorry, a few part players does not

611
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Speaker 6: a team make?

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Speaker 2: All right? What did you make of Chippy's day today?

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Speaker 6: Well? It was an oops moment, wasn't it that you know? Unfortunately,

614
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Speaker 6: Asha Verel is away sick today and she published an

615
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Speaker 6: op ed in New Zealand Doctor which went out today

616
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Speaker 6: and outlined a policy that labor was going to announce,

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Speaker 6: and in fact she jumped the gun and Chris Hopkins

618
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Speaker 6: was caught short by it. She wrote this, and basically

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Speaker 6: it came as news to her leader, Chris Hipkins, We're.

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Speaker 12: Going to have to wait if you're interested in an

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Speaker 12: announcement that we may or may not be making. The

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Speaker 12: fact that I'm not aware of it. We have health

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Speaker 12: policy coming.

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Speaker 6: Short time later, we had this to say.

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Speaker 5: You caught me slightly by surprise.

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Speaker 12: I was expecting that health announcement to be tomorrow, but

627
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Speaker 12: that was my timing that I had in the back

628
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Speaker 12: of my mind. That was incorrect. Aisha Verel has been

629
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Speaker 12: working on a policy around independent pricing for GP practices.

630
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Speaker 12: A significant gap between the funding GP practices need to

631
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Speaker 12: deliver service as normal had opened up over the period

632
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Speaker 12: of about a decade. We've been working on a mechanism

633
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Speaker 12: to try and stop that from happening again in the future,

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Speaker 12: which is why we had agreed on an independent pricing authority. Unfortunately,

635
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Speaker 12: through conflimence of events by as unex expectively away sick

636
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Speaker 12: today as that went out in midday to day. It

637
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Speaker 12: is a policy that has been approved. It's something that

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Speaker 12: we've been working on for a wee.

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Speaker 6: While, now get your act together if you go to

640
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Speaker 6: be announcing policy. They've only had one up until now,

641
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Speaker 6: and that was yesterday, which was at and this was

642
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Speaker 6: an absolute bot chut. And of course within seconds of

643
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Speaker 6: it happening, who was on putting out a press statement.

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Speaker 6: Chris Bishop, who's not even the health spokes or not

645
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Speaker 6: even the Health minister, but he put out a statement

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Speaker 6: saying that it's just another desperate attempt to look busy

647
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Speaker 6: without doing the hard work. Said there's no costings, no plan,

648
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Speaker 6: no evidence it'll deliver anything meaningful. So quite right, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I mean short and embarrassing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So what are you hearing is happening with the

651
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Speaker 2: Maori Party?

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Speaker 6: Well, what I've heard is that, look, there will be

653
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Speaker 6: something happening when Raui why to Tea. Finally he gets

654
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Speaker 6: back from China that he's been away with the Kappa

655
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Speaker 6: Huka group. God knows how he gave himself leave from

656
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Speaker 6: Parliament to do that, but nevertheless he did. And when

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Speaker 6: he win has parties in the state that it is,

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Speaker 6: it doesn't say much about the leadership that it goes

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Speaker 6: off sea overseas with an entertainment group. Nevertheless, that's where

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Speaker 6: he's been. When he gets back, I think things will

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Speaker 6: start moving. I was making inquiries around the Maldi Party

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Speaker 6: today and of course Rurery White at Tea. He's married

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Speaker 6: to the Chief Press Secretary of the Maldi Party and

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Speaker 6: she's the daughter of John Tammahery, the president of the

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Speaker 6: Maldi Party. Well, this young Hannah Rafiti Clark, a mighty Clark.

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Speaker 6: Her mum and a sister are working for her. I

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Speaker 6: found out today the Malory Party is a big family affair.

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Speaker 6: And as we know, as we know that Kapa King

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Speaker 6: got into trouble for over spending her budget and where

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Speaker 6: did a lot of the money go to. Well, it

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Speaker 6: went to his son Eru, who was brought on as

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Speaker 6: a contractor and organized the Equoi to Parliament recently. So

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Speaker 6: everybody is in everybody else's pocket here, and it seems

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Speaker 6: the only one out of pocket at the end of

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Speaker 6: it is the poor old, long suffering taxpayer. So I

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Speaker 6: think what you're going to find is you're going to

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Speaker 6: find a split in the Maori Party. You're going to

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Speaker 6: see Maramino Cuppa KINGI she will be obviously out of

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Speaker 6: the party, probably stand for the rest of the term

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Speaker 6: as an independent Eru Caupa KINGI. He's doubled down. He

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Speaker 6: said he still supports the Maori Party, but he has

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Speaker 6: no credence with the party now. So look, there's going

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Speaker 6: to be a split, I think, and it'll come.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it'll just be muddy. I mean all

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Speaker 2: as well, it might be tarkuterferis all right, Barry, thanks

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Speaker 2: very much, Barry Sober, Senior Political Correspondence coming up seven

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Speaker 2: away from five.

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Speaker 3: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking

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Speaker 3: breakfast those budgets. How locked in are they?

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Speaker 20: I mean how open to creep are they?

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Speaker 18: So the Transport Agency has taken a very conservative approach

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Speaker 18: to the budget. There what's called the P ninety five

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Speaker 18: than P fifty, which technically means there are a lot

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Speaker 18: more confidence around the numbers than they are with a

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Speaker 18: P fifty. So they've done quite a bit of work

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Speaker 18: and it's they're conservatives, but there's no doubt that their

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Speaker 18: expensive projects.

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Speaker 3: Okay, without that, how long is this stage?

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Speaker 18: So what's happening now is we're going through a prioritization

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Speaker 18: exercise as a government. We've now god all of the

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Speaker 18: investment cases and we're going to go through a bit

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Speaker 18: of a process of the government. You can't build everything

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Speaker 18: all at once, and we've always said that.

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Speaker 15: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 15: a Vida News talk zeb listen.

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Speaker 2: Just on the Maori Party. So this is what's going

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Speaker 2: on in the Maori Party right. So you have got

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Speaker 2: Hanna Mi p Clark who employs her mum and her

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Speaker 2: sister Maria men Or Kappa Kingi, who employs her son

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Speaker 2: John Tharmaheri who employs his daughter who also happens to

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Speaker 2: be the wife of raw Ytt. So now can I

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Speaker 2: point out to this not against the rules. It is

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Speaker 2: totally legit to get in there and then just start

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Speaker 2: employing your family with tax payer funding. Do you think

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Speaker 2: we need to change the rules, because I feel like

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Speaker 2: we need to change I'd be all about that. The

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Speaker 2: Marine and coast By the way, it's four away from

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Speaker 2: five the Marine and Coastal Areas Bill. This is the

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Speaker 2: replacement for the old Foreshawn Seabd situation that is going

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Speaker 2: to pass this evening. These are the amendments. Chris fin

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Speaker 2: Layson is not happy about it at all. He's going

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Speaker 2: to talk us through that when he's with us shortly,

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Speaker 2: and speaking of people not being happy about things, there

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Speaker 2: are a bunch of people labor who are not happy

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Speaker 2: that the Public Service Commission, which is the outfit that

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Speaker 2: runs the public service and conducts employment negotiations with teachers

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Speaker 2: and nurses, has taken out ads about the strike on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: These are Facebook ads that started running last night and

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Speaker 2: they say things like this. It says it's just like

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Speaker 2: a little banner. It says graduate nurses would have seen

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Speaker 2: in an eleven percent increase to their salaries on their one

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Speaker 2: year anniversary, an extra three hundred and seventy seven dollars

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Speaker 2: when including annual progression. It's another one that says the

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Speaker 2: same about senior nurses. I don't think it's really that bad,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, labor is not very happy about it. The PSA,

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Speaker 2: the Public Service Association's not very happy about it. So

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Speaker 2: Flur from the PSA is going to be with us

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Speaker 2: after half past five so we can get to the

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Speaker 2: bottom of what's so bad about it. But as I say,

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Speaker 2: Chrispin Layson is with us next news talks at b.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's

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Speaker 1: heather duper Clan drive with One New Zealand to coverage

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Speaker 1: like no one else news Talks av.

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Speaker 6: Afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Parliament are said to change the law later today to

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Speaker 2: make it harder for Ewe and Hapoo to gain customary

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Speaker 2: title over coastal areas. It's a change to the Marine

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Speaker 2: and Coastal Area Act, which was originally introduced by their

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Speaker 2: Attorney General Chrispin Layson in twenty eleven under the Key government.

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Speaker 2: And he's with us now.

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Speaker 3: High Chris Hi hither.

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Speaker 21: I'm trying to get home to Wellington. I bet you're

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Speaker 21: pleased you don't live in Candala anymore.

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Speaker 2: Lord. There are many days where I think the good Lord,

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Speaker 2: I don't live in Candala anymore. Good luck getting home.

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Speaker 2: But thank you for your time, Listener. You challenging the

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Speaker 2: government's assertion that this change brings the law closer to

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Speaker 2: what was originally intended.

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Speaker 10: Yes, it doesn't.

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Speaker 21: It changes the law and you've only got to look

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Speaker 21: at the section dealing with burden of truth to realize

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Speaker 21: that it playing around with it. So it doesn't clarify

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Speaker 21: the law at all. It changes and if they want

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Speaker 21: to do that, well, of course Parliament's sovereign. But why

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Speaker 21: don't they come out and say it instead of indulging

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Speaker 21: in this myth.

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Speaker 2: So what was the original intention? How much of this

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Speaker 2: land would have been handed back under the original intention?

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Speaker 10: Well didn't it?

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Speaker 21: Well that's the wrong question. Really, the question is what

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Speaker 21: was the test? And it was a test that was

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Speaker 21: worked out over quite some considerable time with the Maori

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Speaker 21: part and your officials.

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Speaker 10: So it's a property right.

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Speaker 21: In order to prove you had the property right, you

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Speaker 21: had to prove that you held in an accordance with

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Speaker 21: teacunger and exclusive use and occupation since eighteen footy without

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Speaker 21: substantial interruption.

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Speaker 2: And so what's it been changed too?

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Speaker 11: I beg your pardon?

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Speaker 2: What is it being changed too?

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Speaker 21: Oh well, the test for proving extinguishment now slips to

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Speaker 21: ewe and the test for establishing customary title has been made.

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Speaker 21: I would say it's even harder than what Helen Clark

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Speaker 21: had in her foreshore legislation in two thousand and four.

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Speaker 2: Okay, practically under your test, how much of the land,

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Speaker 2: had you, guys, foreseen, would have been handed back?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 21: Well, it's not handed back because public access was always

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Speaker 21: guaranteed and if there was an urgent waltz that needed

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Speaker 21: to be built, or some kind of infrastructure that was

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Speaker 21: all covered under the accommodated activities. So the question you're

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Speaker 21: asking is what had I anticipated would.

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Speaker 3: Probably be the area where there would.

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Speaker 21: Be extant customary title? And I would have said, I said,

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Speaker 21: in but tween twelve something around the region of ten percent.

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Speaker 21: But that was sort of a guestimate on my part.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And do you have any idea what the changes

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Speaker 2: will lead to down from ten percent? I'll probably nil

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Speaker 2: Uiaan question is why have you left it until the

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Speaker 2: day it passes to say this?

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Speaker 10: I haven't.

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Speaker 21: Why do you say that I've been in a principled way,

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Speaker 21: consistent with my respect for property rights and the rule

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Speaker 21: of law, raising these issues. Audrey's article appeared in the

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Speaker 21: Herald today, but it's not the first one. There have

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Speaker 21: been a number of points that I've been making over

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Speaker 21: the last six months about this, because it's a matter

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Speaker 21: that means a lot to me, because I work very

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Speaker 21: hard with the Maori Party and with various interest groups

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Speaker 21: like the Ports Association to craft a response to the

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Speaker 21: Foreshore and Seabed Act which would be enduring, and these

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Speaker 21: people are just sweeping it away, paying no attention to

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Speaker 21: the past.

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Speaker 2: Chris, thank you for your time and good luck getting

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Speaker 2: back to Candala. That is Chris fin Lason, the former

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Speaker 2: Attorney General. Ever, political pressure is now starting to mount

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Speaker 2: on Netball New Zealand. In the Dame Knowles Coaching debarcle,

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Speaker 2: Sports Minister Mark Mitchell says he's told Sports New Zealand

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Speaker 2: he wants the issue solved quickly and fairly, and he's

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Speaker 2: with us. Now, Hi Mitch, Hi, Heather, why have you

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Speaker 2: got involved now?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 22: I just think it's streaming on too long. I think

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Speaker 22: that everyone involved loves netball, but the fact of the

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Speaker 22: matter is this is not good for netball. That's one

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Speaker 22: of our iconic games and so many people participate and

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Speaker 22: enjoy the sport. This is not good for anyone and

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Speaker 22: so I've asked sport ends to give me advice and

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Speaker 22: seeing a clear message that this needs to be resolved.

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Speaker 2: Have you given them a deadline? Netball New Zealand.

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Speaker 22: No, I haven't given them a deadline because I'm not

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Speaker 22: Actually I don't have an official role in the negotiation

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Speaker 22: in the work that's going on between Sporting z and

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Speaker 22: in day nolling, but you know I have an interest

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Speaker 22: in this.

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Speaker 6: Most keyw weis do.

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Speaker 22: There's a few bit of funding that goes to knitball

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Speaker 22: New Zealand taxpayers money.

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Speaker 3: We're proud of the game.

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Speaker 22: It's an important game for us as a country. It's

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Speaker 22: going on too long and so I've asked them to

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Speaker 22: of our sporting z to do everything they can and

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Speaker 22: make sure that we offer up all the support in

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Speaker 22: resource that we have to get this resolved quickly and

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Speaker 22: fairly for both parties.

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Speaker 2: All Right, Willie Jackson wants you to cut funding until

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Speaker 2: it's resolved. Are you interested in doing that?

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Speaker 22: No, I'm not doing that. I'm not going to punish

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Speaker 22: a whole lot of other people. I just thought, like

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Speaker 22: I said to you, all the parties involved with this

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Speaker 22: are deeply passionate about the sport and about knitball. They

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Speaker 22: just have to be able to get around the table

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Speaker 22: and get agreement on this.

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Speaker 2: Do you have any reason to believe that that Dame

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Speaker 2: Noles may be reinstated?

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 22: I've got I mean, I do have some information. I'm

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Speaker 22: not going to breach confidence on that because both parties

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Speaker 22: are sitting down around the table too, you know, to

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Speaker 22: negotiate and to come up with a fear.

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Speaker 2: Much if you can and I realize you don't want

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Speaker 2: to breach confidence, so please don't. But can you tell

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Speaker 2: me if they're working to get her reinstated or are

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Speaker 2: they working to sack her?

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Speaker 22: So again, I'm not going to breach that process because

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Speaker 22: that is something that is between those parties. Me personally,

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Speaker 22: I would love to see her read stated. I think

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Speaker 22: she's an outstanding coach, I think, but I think there's

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Speaker 22: obviously issues here that they have to deal with in

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Speaker 22: address and I think that, like I said, I come

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Speaker 22: back to my default said, I just believe this either

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Speaker 22: that you know these people that whether it be netballing

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Speaker 22: said or Dave Noling, look at the look at the

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Speaker 22: dedication and to the sport and the love of the sport.

876
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Speaker 22: Just get around the table and figure it out.

877
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 2: Too, right, Mitch, thanks very much, appreciate your time.

878
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Speaker 5: Mate.

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Speaker 2: That's Mark Mitchell, Sports Minister Heather do for see Ellen

880
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 2: Heather read the Maori Party employing all their family It's

881
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: called nepotism, Yeah, it is. Well, actually, if you go

882
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: and read the actually actually actually if you go and

883
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: read the email that the Marti Party sent out, that

884
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: little smear campaign that they started on Mariameno Kappa king

885
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 2: of their own MP last week. They said something like

886
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Speaker 2: it was something I'm going to misquote them, but it

887
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: was something like other people call it, call it nepotism,

888
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: but we just call it love for our family. I'll

889
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 2: just leave it at that anyway. So more Prince Andrew allegations.

890
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: I'm going to go dig up that quote actually and

891
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 2: quoted properly for you in a minute. More Prince Andrew allegations.

892
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 2: Two of them now. The first one is that his

893
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 2: team had tried to hire internet trolls to hassle Hiss,

894
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: accused of Virginia Giufrey. This is according to her memoir

895
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Speaker 2: which has been published after her death. Also, the second

896
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: allegation is that British Security Service has actually deemed him

897
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Speaker 2: to be a potential security rest risks to the country

898
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 2: as long ago as twenty twenty one because of his

899
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: close links to alleged Chinese spies, and that they warned

900
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: the spies. That the British spies warned senior government ministers

901
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: about the risk that Andrew posed five fourteen. Hey, there

902
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Speaker 2: is some for everyone at BYD at the moment, or

903
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 2: at least there will be real soon because BYD is

904
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: about to launch four new models in New Zealand that

905
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: will bring the total number of models that they have

906
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: available here to ten. So if you want yourself a

907
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 2: compact hatch for cruising around the city all electric, you

908
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: want to try yourself the ATTO one that, by the way,

909
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: is also known as the BYD C Gull or the

910
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Speaker 2: BYD Salt Dolphin Surf in other markets, and that has

911
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 2: been named this is the ATTO one in New Zealand

912
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: has been named one of Time's Best Inventions of twenty

913
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Speaker 2: twenty five. How good is that? If you want yourself

914
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: as well, there's something a little bit bigger. You've got

915
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 2: the ATTO two all electric compact suv. Then you've got

916
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: the next one up as the Sea Lion five. This

917
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 2: is the mid sized suv. And then if you want

918
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 2: yourself something a little bit bigger. You know you're Tim Wilson.

919
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: You've got a lot of kids. You need seven seats.

920
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: This is what you're looking at, the Sea Lion eight,

921
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 2: the hotly anticipated launch of next year. Now BYD have

922
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: been really tight lipt on pricing, so I cannot tell

923
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 2: you anything about prices. I don't know, but the ATTO

924
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 2: one is room to launch as the most affordable electric

925
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Speaker 2: vehicle in New Zealand. So if you're interested, register interest

926
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Speaker 2: now at byd auto dot co dot MZ Heather.

927
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Speaker 3: Du for s Allen, don't bog get your family right.

928
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Speaker 2: You love yourself five eighteen, You love yourself. A little

929
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: bit of country. You might love this. Six sixty, the

930
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 2: band you're listening to at the moment, is launching a

931
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Speaker 2: brand new country and roots music festival. It's going to

932
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Speaker 2: be in Matakana in early January. Matthew Walters is the

933
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Speaker 2: lead singer and the guitarist obviously of six sixty and

934
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Speaker 2: with us mucha hello, Hello Ad, I'm very well, thank you.

935
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Speaker 2: Why country?

936
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Speaker 10: Well?

937
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Speaker 17: To be honest, I've been spending a lot of time

938
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Speaker 17: in Nashville just writing a lot of music, and every

939
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 17: time I go there, I actually feel this connection with

940
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 17: back home and like working obviously, Nashville's at this country

941
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 17: music hub, and there's just this really strong connection between

942
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 17: roots and country. I felt for a while between you know,

943
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 17: the songwriting, the storytelling and like no real instruments, you know,

944
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Speaker 17: and this honesty and this lyric. So I just thought

945
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Speaker 17: it'd be a really cool idea to bring a country

946
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 17: and roots festival to New Zealand.

947
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: So are you gonna are you going to potentially draw

948
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Speaker 2: two completely different crowds to the same place, like one

949
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Speaker 2: crowd coming to see Country and one crowd coming to

950
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Speaker 2: see Roots.

951
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Speaker 17: Well, I'm sure there's going to be a divide like

952
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Speaker 17: there are most times at shows, and particularly six sixty shows,

953
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Speaker 17: But I think they're different people who enjoyed the same things,

954
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Speaker 17: which is why, like I said, that Roots and Country

955
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 17: really have this kind of this cross section that I

956
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 17: that I really love and I think it's just going

957
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Speaker 17: to be I think it's going to be a really

958
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Speaker 17: fun and it's something new that I think people are

959
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Speaker 17: going to really love.

960
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Speaker 2: Look, you know this already. Festivals are really hard at

961
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 2: the moment, it's hard business to get into heaps them

962
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Speaker 2: are falling over. So have you checked it out completely?

963
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Speaker 10: I think so.

964
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Speaker 17: Well, Look, I'm just always in for doing cool stuff

965
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 17: and the timing feels right, and like I said, it's

966
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Speaker 17: it just feels like something new and exciting and something

967
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Speaker 17: for all types of people. I think festivals can be

968
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Speaker 17: kind of exclusive when it comes to you know, age

969
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Speaker 17: groups and demographics, and I think this is going to

970
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Speaker 17: be something that that everyone can come to an experience

971
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Speaker 17: and enjoy. So I'm not worried on that front at all.

972
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Speaker 17: I think it's going to be This is a great

973
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Speaker 17: asset for the music, for New Zeald music industry, I

974
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Speaker 17: think so.

975
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Speaker 2: Now listen, just put just dispel the smith. You haven't

976
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: set this festival up entirely for Mike Hosking.

977
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Speaker 7: Have you?

978
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Speaker 10: Well?

979
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Speaker 2: Because he's a country music lover, and he lives in Madicana,

980
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Speaker 2: and he's going to be taking a long break over summer.

981
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 2: It just feels like this is just is just done

982
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 2: for him.

983
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 17: Let's just run with that, with that story. I think

984
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Speaker 17: it's going to be good for his ego.

985
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Speaker 2: Rename that you could probably will his ego will love it.

986
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: You could rename it the Mike Hoskin Country Festival.

987
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 17: Sponsored by sponsored by We'll get them, We'll give him

988
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 17: a VIP area.

989
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 2: This is becoming real for him right now. Do you

990
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 2: best of liked with him? I really appreciate you talking

991
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: to us much. You Walter's six sixty frontman. And if

992
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: Mike sponsors it, actually it does solve the problem of

993
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: festivals being hard business, isn't it, Heather? Absolutely normal to

994
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 2: ask your question and then be told that's the wrong

995
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: question by Chris Fphin Layson. What you have to understand

996
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: is Chris is always disappointed when he comes on the

997
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Speaker 2: show and doesn't and I don't fight with him, and

998
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 2: so what he was trying really hard to get me

999
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 2: to bait him. Oh, rather he was trying to He's

1000
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 2: trying to bait me, and I wasn't rising to the occasion.

1001
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what, Okay, we'll put him out

1002
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 2: of his misery. Because it's the second or third time

1003
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 2: this has happened where he's asked the producer, is he

1004
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: THEI going to fight with me today? I'm ready for

1005
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 2: a fight. And then I haven't risen to the occasion.

1006
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: So what I'll do is I promise you this, next

1007
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: time Chris is on, we'll have a We'll have a

1008
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: good old Barney Ay. It'll make him feel better about it,

1009
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 2: and then he'll he'll he'll he'll stop trying to bait me.

1010
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: Here's the quote from the Maori Party. This is what

1011
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 2: they've written in the email quote, pakiha apply a word

1012
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 2: to us called nepotism. The Maori word for nepotism is

1013
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 2: adha kit the fano dothok or thor fuck up, Pappa.

1014
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: Never mind that that's not a word, that's actually a phrase.

1015
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: What's two phrases anyway, What it means is the Maori

1016
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 2: direct translation the Mardi word for nepotism is love to

1017
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: the family, support for the genealogy. So there we go.

1018
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: I was pretty pretty good with my quote before five two.

1019
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 3: Hard questions, strong opinion.

1020
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Speaker 1: Heather dupis Ell and Drive with one New Zealand tand

1021
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Speaker 1: of Power of Satellite Mobile News.

1022
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 2: Dog said, be we're going to talk to the PSA

1023
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 2: about the fight they're having with Sir Brian Roach. Next

1024
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 2: it's five twenty five. Well, hmm, I think it's fair

1025
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: to say, don't you think that Labour's first policy has

1026
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 2: been a flop. It's been panned by pretty much everybody

1027
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 2: worth listening to or worth reading. I mean, I see

1028
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 2: Mikey Sherman over over at tvnz' liked it last night.

1029
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: She called it a solid first hat on tally, but

1030
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 2: I think everyone else seems to have seen through what

1031
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: Chippy's trying to do here. Let me quote you some

1032
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: Tom pull Astreka at the Post. Labour's Future Fund hits

1033
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 2: the buzzwords, but the rationale is hard to follow Patrick

1034
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 2: Smelley at Business Desk. This suggests either that Labor is

1035
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: economically illiterate or that its target audience is presumed to

1036
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 2: be Radio New Zealand. The distinct lack of detail has

1037
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: if Labour somewhat exposed, evoking echoes of other ambitious projects

1038
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: that fizzle, like Key we build all the Green Investment Fund.

1039
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: Jine Tibscherani at The Herald says this is actually less

1040
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: about making New Zealand wealthy and really more about having

1041
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 2: a crack at national impossible asset sales at the next election.

1042
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: Henry Cook at The Post Labour's Future Fund promises everything

1043
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: and nothing. It's hard to know what to really make

1044
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: of this. And then Patrick Smeley again because his piece

1045
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: is just so eviscerating, Labour will have to do a

1046
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: whole lot better than this. Now, basically what you could

1047
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: take from that is that no one serious is convinced

1048
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 2: by it, because Labour has taken a great idea, which

1049
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: is Singapore's Temarsek, and then taken all all the taken

1050
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 2: away all the things that make Tamasek successful, Tama six

1051
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 2: sales assets. This lot is not allowed. Tamasik invests overseas.

1052
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 2: This lot is not allowed. That's just a couple of

1053
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: the problems. Yeah, I mean the list. Honestly, the list

1054
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 2: of problems in this policy announcement is so long we

1055
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,919
Speaker 2: could do an entire show about it. I suspect Labour

1056
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 2: knows this. I think they know it's a bad idea.

1057
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: They just think we're too stupid to realize how bad

1058
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: an idea is. They think that we're going to be

1059
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 2: hoodwinked by all of the field good slogans about investing

1060
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: in New Zealand's future and cutting out the foreign investors

1061
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But I'm happy to report that,

1062
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: judging by the media around up, I just read you

1063
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 2: not at all as stupid as Labour thinks we are.

1064
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: We can see a dog policy when we're presented by

1065
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 2: worth one and this is one. Hellul So, I was

1066
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: listening to Kerry this morning and I tuned in just

1067
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 2: at the right right points to think to catch what

1068
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 2: I think might have been the caller of the day,

1069
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 2: which is Richard who was calling in about this fund.

1070
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 23: Paul of anyone who wants to bring in a left

1071
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,479
Speaker 23: a socialist leaning government, a left wing I'm talking left

1072
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 23: wing government. We all need examining it, the whole lot

1073
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 23: of us that we have to vote for them absolutely much.

1074
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 2: Richard's not mucking around with this one. They're absolutely nuts

1075
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 2: and if you're going to vote for it, you need examining.

1076
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 2: Listen to Richard anyway, we'll have a little chat to

1077
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 2: the hudd and we might touch on this. We've got

1078
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: so much to talk to the huddle about because just

1079
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 2: so much has happened today hasn't already And of course,

1080
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 2: Paul Spain, let me remind you if you if your

1081
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 2: wordle streak is broken by that stupid outage overnight, or

1082
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 2: if you're still trying to use the zero and it's

1083
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 2: it's dicking around and life is just not good, and

1084
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 2: you try to watch neon last night or TVNZ class

1085
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 2: or whatever and you wanted to throw your phone at

1086
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 2: the wall, all of those things. We'll check him with

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Speaker 2: Paul Spain after six o'clock to see if this has

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Speaker 2: all been resolved and if you're gonna get your word

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Speaker 2: all straight back. Us is next to.

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Speaker 3: Little dumb gotto ish.

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Speaker 2: I just smile.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duplic Ellen

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Speaker 1: Drive with one new Zealand coverage like no one else

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Speaker 1: news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be.

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Speaker 2: Coming please, hey, I should have said. Actually, Patrick Smelly,

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Speaker 2: who wrote the quite a viscerating column on Labour's policy yesterday,

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Speaker 2: is going to be with us in an hour's time

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Speaker 2: and give us his take on it. Heither, why didn't

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Speaker 2: you state that Chrispin Layson has a conflict of interest

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Speaker 2: because he's actively working for Night Taho and maybe have

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Speaker 2: an opposing view as well, you know, like proper journalism Dale,

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Speaker 2: Thank you. The reason is because it doesn't matter what

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Speaker 2: Chrispin Layson thinks. The law is changing anyway. Twenty four

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00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 2: away from six now, there is some criticism of ads

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00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 2: running on Facebook ahead of Thursday's mega strikes. The ads

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00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 2: have been taken out by the Public Service Commission and

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Speaker 2: an example of one of the ads is this this

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Speaker 2: coming Thursday, more than eight eight hundred and forty five

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Speaker 2: thousand students will miss out on class time. Genuine offers

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00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 2: have been made in the opportunity to bargain remains open now.

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Speaker 2: Flurford Simon's is the National Secretary of the PSA and

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Speaker 2: with us Hello flur Now, good evening. Are you among

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00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 2: those criticizing these ads.

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Speaker 3: Here we are.

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Speaker 24: These are an unprecedented and an appropriate waste of public funds.

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Speaker 24: We've never before seen paid social media by the state

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Speaker 24: to try and persuade the public of the government's position

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00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 24: and collective bargaining. It's really quite unheard of.

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Speaker 2: How many public funds well, so far.

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Speaker 24: We don't know the full cost. I think it's a

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Speaker 24: small amount, less than to but it's dollars flu It's

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Speaker 24: not really the money, it's the principle of it. The

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Speaker 24: Public Service Commission is politically neutral. It's fine for the

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Speaker 24: Prime Minister and Simmy and Brown, Judith Collins to come

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Speaker 24: out and play the political game. That's fair enough. I

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00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 24: completely understand that. But the Public Service Commission is politically neutral.

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Speaker 24: It's there to serve the government of the day, and

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Speaker 24: they themselves talk about how they build and maintain trust

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Speaker 24: of the public in themselves as a public service institution,

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00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 24: and really this goes against its core purpose and they

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00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 24: certainly wouldn't let public servants get away with this kind

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00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 24: of action.

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Speaker 2: What have they done that's not neutral here is that

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00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 2: they haven't taken a political position.

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Speaker 24: Really, what they're trying to do is persuade the public

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Speaker 24: of their position. In collective bargaining.

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Speaker 2: First of those, you're not there to try it. What's

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00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: wrong with that?

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Speaker 24: Yeah, absolutely, and so as cabinet ministers and cabinet minister's

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00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 24: role totally appropriate, no problem with it, even though I

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00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 24: think they're being quite unhelpful, but that's up to them.

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Speaker 24: But the Public Service Commission is politically new. They're meant

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Speaker 24: to protect the political neutrality of the whole of the

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00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 24: public service and not into the political political flir.

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Speaker 2: It's not policle. It is really dispute. There's no politics

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00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: in it. Unless you're telling me there's politics in it, flur.

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00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 24: There's definitely politics in it. The funding of health and

1149
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 24: education services are always political. They are political choices made

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Speaker 24: by the government of the day. But really what the

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Speaker 24: Public Service Commissions meant to do is be politically neutral.

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Speaker 2: Let me just explain something to you from my perspective.

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00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: This is an employment dispute, right, So there are a

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Speaker 2: bunch of people who are unionized, not political, just unionized

1155
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 2: workers who are striking against the government, well against their employer.

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00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 2: Their employer is the Public Service Commission, not political again, right,

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00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 2: so this is this is both sides of an employment dispute.

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Speaker 2: Explaining to the public why their services are disrupted. I

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00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,439
Speaker 2: don't know how that is political to you. I don't

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00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 2: know how you can accuse the Public Service Commission of

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00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 2: being political when all they're doing is explaining an employment dispute.

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Speaker 24: What they are doing is attempting to position themselves favorably

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Speaker 24: with the public when it comes to a collective bargaining

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00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 24: matter that is subject to good faith. They are running

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00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 24: the government's political lines, not the politically neutral position that

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00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 24: Public Service Commission has to run. They are operating outside

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00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 24: of their guidance and it is unprecedented. I don't mind

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00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 24: politicians doing it due to Colin's fair game, openly a

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00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 24: fair game. This is politically coordinated and politically motivated. Not

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Speaker 24: politically neutral or not the role of the Public Service Commissioner.

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Speaker 2: Or is it political? Because actually this is political from you.

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Speaker 2: Guys have started your labor aligned You've all got together

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Speaker 2: on one day to try and make as much difficulty

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Speaker 2: for a national led government, and so you see the

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00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 2: Public Service Commission as political because they're opposed to you

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Speaker 2: and your political.

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Speaker 24: Well, let's be clear, strikes have happened under labor governments

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Speaker 24: and under national governments. But yes, it is political how

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00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 24: much you choose to fund public health and education services.

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Speaker 24: And it is political when there are vacancies unfilled in

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Speaker 24: our hospitals, people working double shifts, dietitians not being able

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Speaker 24: to provide advice to cancer patients, children not getting cleft

1183
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Speaker 24: palate surgery. These are things our members are saying are

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Speaker 24: happening in public hospitals right now. Is that political?

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Speaker 2: Of course it is.

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Speaker 24: It is a political choice about funding public hospitals and schools,

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Speaker 24: and that is made by the government and they need

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00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 24: to take responsibility for that, not the Public Service Commission

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Speaker 24: trying to influence the public through paid social media though.

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Speaker 2: Flir it's good to talk to you. Thank you for

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00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 2: coming on. That's Flurford Simon's Who's the PSA National Secretary?

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00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 2: Nineteen away from six the.

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Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find your one

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Speaker 1: of a.

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Speaker 2: Kind on the huddle with us this evening. Tim Wilson,

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00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 2: Maxim Institute, Mark Sainsbury Broadcaster, High Lads, Hi, hear that?

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Speaker 2: Oh tem okay? How exercised you by the ads?

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Speaker 10: Boy boy?

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Speaker 11: There was a good exchange.

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Speaker 16: Ever, I'm inclining towards the first position in the sense

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00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 16: that the mediums message right, So taking Facebook ads out

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00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 16: it does escalate what the Public Public Service Commission's role is.

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Speaker 25: I think they can that they can, you know, stating

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00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 25: the facts about the about the strikes and how they've

1205
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 25: been off off of these stuff, et cetera, et cetera,

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00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 25: saying that that that's sort of on the borderline, saying

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Speaker 25: that the unions have to get around the table. I

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00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 25: recon that's pushing, pushing things, but I don't like to

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00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 25: see institution's politicized.

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Speaker 11: So I'm not I'm not that comfortable with this.

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Speaker 10: Well, Tim an irons somewhat agreement. I've got some going

1212
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 10: there's no there's no there's no problem putting their position

1213
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 10: out there, which we should be entired to know. What

1214
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 10: does it mean in the impact of the strikes and

1215
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 10: that sort of thing. It comes back to this, this

1216
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 10: whole issue of this, that the political neutrality, and I'm

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00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 10: interested to see that the Public Service Commission are saying

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00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 10: that they followed all the rules. I haven't seen the

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00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 10: details of the rules enough to judge and that, but

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Speaker 10: I think it is it's a pretty tricky set of area.

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00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 10: It doesn't seem to be much Heather. But it's if

1222
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 10: you are going to politicize the Public Service or the Commission,

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00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 10: that is a real worry.

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00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 2: Oka, Say so, And can I make this actually I'll

1225
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 2: start with you on this, Tim.

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00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 2: Can I make the argument that the Public Service Commission

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00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 2: is not politicized here? Because look at what they're saying.

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00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 2: All they're saying is, hey, we've tried to negotiate with

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00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 2: these guys. This is the outcome of the strike. You know,

1231
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 2: the offer remains of whatever whatever. They haven't come out

1232
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,919
Speaker 2: and said anything nasty about the work, is anything nasty

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00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 2: about the unions. They've actually walked a fine line here.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I saw I saw one of the ads which

1235
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 11: is like, you know, I can't recall if it was

1236
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 11: senior tortures, but we've offered them eleven percent. They're going

1237
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 11: to get eight more k, you know, eight.

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Speaker 25: Or nine grand more. And when I saw.

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Speaker 11: That, I was like, eh. And when I did that.

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Speaker 10: I thought, is that right?

1241
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 25: In the Public Service commersions getting me to do But

1242
00:56:58,239 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 25: and I'm not sure it is.

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00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 10: I don't mind a minute for doing it.

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00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 11: That's great, get into it, but I'm not sure about that.

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00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 2: Say so, what do you think of Mark? Mitchell getting

1246
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 2: involved in the Dame Knowles situation.

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00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 10: Yes, I know, and he isn't interesting that. He was

1248
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 10: quite right when he talked to you that he doesn't

1249
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 10: have any official skin in the game. He's not a

1250
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 10: party or anything like that. But any sporting body that

1251
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 10: relies on government funds is going to be sensitive of

1252
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 10: the issue. Then escalates around the corridors of power, and

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00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 10: that's going to be I mean's what an absolute messier.

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00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 11: Well, what they have to do is take out a

1255
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 11: series of ads on Facebook and then do a Facebook hole.

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00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 10: And we can work it out.

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00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 10: Listen, maybe when Sir Brian's back from holiday he could

1259
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 10: front them for him because he front Yeah, he could

1260
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 10: do some reels.

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Speaker 2: When he is finished dealing with this mega strike, he

1262
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 2: can come and deal with the Dame Noles. I think

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Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but Mark Mitchell saying that

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Speaker 2: he wants to that. He said he didn't want to

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00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 2: influence the outcome, but he would like her back. I

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00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: think that it's very hard to ignore that if your Netball.

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Speaker 3: New Zealand, Yeah, it is, it is.

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Speaker 25: That was you know, it was interesting that Willie Jackson's

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00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 25: brought this into the political sphere and you know, exercising

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00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 25: some strong talkback muscles while he's doing it.

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00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 11: But it sounds like Mike Mitchell's paying attention. And is

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00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 11: this is this a measure of the mana that we

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00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 11: have for day knowles that it is actually a national issue.

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00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think probably a little bit. And also we

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00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 2: can see unfairness I suspect a mile away. We'll take

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00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 2: a break, come back to you guys shortly quarter two.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the global

1278
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: leader and Luxury real Estate.

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Speaker 2: Are you back with the huddle? Mark Sainsbury, Tim Wilson

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00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 2: sains So, can you explain something to me? How is

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00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 2: it that you have four people who see a four

1282
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 2: year old in a fountain drowning or drowned and don't

1283
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 2: pull her out? How did that happen?

1284
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 10: I wish I could explain it to you that that's

1285
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 10: really disturbed me. That story. Just what have we come to?

1286
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 10: I mean, I just I cannot actually get my head

1287
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Speaker 10: around it. How someone could see a child lying face down,

1288
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Speaker 10: even if it was you know, there was too late

1289
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 10: in whatever from what the current is saying, it probably

1290
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 10: wouldn't have made any difference. But you walk back a

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00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 10: child lying face down in.

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Speaker 2: A yeah, because things I don't don't don't we all know,

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Speaker 2: even just from the movies. You pull them out and

1294
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 2: you start doing a CPR while somebody is calling the

1295
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 2: emergency services, like you start trying to get that water

1296
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 2: out immediately. So what happened?

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Speaker 10: And well, people sort of somehow suggesting, oh, people frightened,

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Speaker 10: They may think that sort of you know, who are

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00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,439
Speaker 10: interfering with a child. Come on, you know you see

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Speaker 10: that you pull that child out immediately and you try

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Speaker 10: and help them. That's what anyone would do.

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Speaker 7: That what you'd say, Tim, I think the messages, you know,

1303
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 7: if something doesn't look right, intervene and may be prepared

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Speaker 7: to be prepared to be embarrassed or cask castigated later.

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00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 11: Whether if it doesn't look right, you just got to

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Speaker 11: jump in.

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Speaker 2: Do you think so, Tim, I've been it's been I've

1308
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Speaker 2: been going from one theory to the other all afternoon,

1309
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 2: trying to figure it out. Now, one of the things

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Speaker 2: that I worry is going on is that we are

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Speaker 2: worried about intervening with another person's child for fear of

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Speaker 2: what the parent make. Like let's say you go over

1313
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 2: the kids just playing, You pull the child out, they're

1314
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 2: just having a joke, but then the parent comes and

1315
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Speaker 2: you're in huge trouble. Is that what we're afraid of?

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Speaker 10: Yeah? I think that's that.

1317
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Speaker 11: That's part of it, that sense of oh, you know,

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Speaker 11: this is you get away from my kid. Having said that,

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Speaker 11: I think being able to assess the situate, being able

1320
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 11: to assess the situation, and if you think it goes

1321
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 11: over a crosses a certain line, you step over that line.

1322
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Speaker 11: Because because this story, I mean, I don't want to

1323
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Speaker 11: sociology sociologically overcock it. There are lots of things happening

1324
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Speaker 11: on that. I felt so sorry for the grandfather who

1325
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Speaker 11: didn't speak English, who was there and when he was

1326
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Speaker 11: walking past, and the you know, the wee girls in

1327
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Speaker 11: the fountain, she's already pasted or were already dead. It's

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Speaker 11: just it's just so so sad.

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Speaker 2: It is really really sad.

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Speaker 10: And here there's a difference between say, you intervene your

1331
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 10: kids might be in a scrap or something where you

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Speaker 10: go and pull them out, or you interfere and kids

1333
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Speaker 10: having a fight. This is a young child face down

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Speaker 10: in water. There was no you know, am I reading

1335
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 10: this ride or have I got this wrong? I mean,

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Speaker 10: it's it's it's one of the most disturbing stories I've

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Speaker 10: come across.

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Speaker 26: That is it possible that community has this is my

1339
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 26: other theor is it possible the community has broken down

1340
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Speaker 26: to such an extent that we just don't kind of

1341
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 26: feel like we should be or need to be helping

1342
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Speaker 26: other people.

1343
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Speaker 10: I don't even want to accept that either.

1344
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 3: No, you know, I don't.

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01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 11: I don't think so. I think, you know, as key

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Speaker 11: which we're.

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Speaker 25: A bit we're a hold backsh in some ways, you know,

1348
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Speaker 25: we don't.

1349
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Speaker 11: Want things were just literally let's just easy, doesn't easy

1350
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 11: go easy goes and and you know, I guess I

1351
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 11: guess the sense of oh, I see this child and

1352
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 11: I call the police, and that's that's a poor decision.

1353
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 11: But that that personal. You know, they'll have to wrestle

1354
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Speaker 11: with that decision all their life. It's not it's not easy.

1355
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 10: And who of us.

1356
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 25: Haven't made dumb decisions in the past? Well with the

1357
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 25: pulsing through our.

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Speaker 2: Veins, yeah I suppose so okay, hey, yeah, word all yeah, oh.

1359
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 10: Yeah, mine wasn't affected. And my keyword is scare.

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Speaker 2: You've only got.

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Speaker 10: There, I know, But the R and the yes. In fact,

1362
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Speaker 10: I'm going to change it to stare actually in.

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Speaker 2: Some Yeah no, that's a good one year stare as

1364
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Speaker 2: in like st a.

1365
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Speaker 11: You started speaking out the language looks going on?

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01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, well no, what happened yesterday, Tim? Is that because

1367
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 2: of the a WS outage, I lost my streak and

1368
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 2: I was on six hundred and thirty three and now

1369
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 2: it started again. Yeah okay, so I I think that

1370
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 2: what's happened here saying so is that it's the time

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01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 2: of day you did it. I did my wordle when

1372
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 2: when a WS was down in the evening?

1373
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 10: When did you do yours at various morning?

1374
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:50,439
Speaker 27: Yeah?

1375
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 2: Okay, so have you still got your streak?

1376
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1377
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 2: What is that?

1378
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 10: But I know i'd broken the streak a couple of

1379
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 10: weeks ago, so it's sorry.

1380
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 16: What's this?

1381
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 10: What's this thing about?

1382
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 11: You know, Tim Wilson with the big cares. I heard

1383
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 11: you at five twenty don't think much.

1384
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 2: I was looking at the bear.

1385
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 11: I here are my wife and I trying to prevent

1386
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 11: a demographic collapse single handedly, and all you can do

1387
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 11: is roots Well, I'll tell you, well, I'll take the

1388
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 11: test drive and the BYD if you can Jack it

1389
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 11: up though.

1390
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what actually, but I'll tell you what Tim. Okay,

1391
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 2: So I used to think that you having four children

1392
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 2: was mental, but jeez, I could go a third, Like,

1393
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 2: aren't they just graduate away?

1394
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 10: That's the way?

1395
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 2: Aren't they just lovely? I want how many?

1396
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 13: Vodo?

1397
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 10: What's that?

1398
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 2: How many have you got?

1399
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 10: Just the two?

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01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 5: Do you?

1401
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 2: Okay?

1402
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 7: So?

1403
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1404
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 10: At once? Do it right?

1405
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 2: Thank you?

1406
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 12: Yeah?

1407
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I am so sorely tempted. And then

1408
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 2: I'm going to need that gigantic car as well. Tim. Listen, Thanks, guys,

1409
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 2: go and have a lovely evening. Tim Wilson, Mark Sainsbury

1410
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 2: The Huddle seven Away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dupless Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: my Ard Radio, powered by new Talks That'd.

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Speaker 2: Be Hither and eleven year old girls saw a child

1414
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 2: lying in the bottom of an Auckland swimming pool a

1415
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. So she dived down and she

1416
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 2: pulled the child out so the life cards could revive

1417
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 2: her and the child lived. So there you go, hither

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01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 2: Did you know about the story here in todung A

1419
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 2: wavepool where a young girl saved a three year old

1420
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Speaker 2: from the bottom of the pool at Bay Wave.

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 2: There are some common sense out there hither. I saw

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01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 2: an eighteen month old toddler in the middle of the

1424
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 2: road one day, just over the brow of a hill.

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Speaker 2: So I sprinted up the street and picked him up,

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01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 2: and I guessed at where he had come from, and

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01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:33,919
Speaker 2: his mother had no idea he had gone. I didn't

1428
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 2: even get a thank you, but maybe she was too shocked.

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Speaker 2: The question is, how would you feel if you didn't

1430
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 2: intervene and then something happened? Cheers Tony. Yeah, good on

1431
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 2: you guys. You're the bloody heroes, because you know it's

1432
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 2: upset like I don't know if you noticed, but says

1433
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 2: I was pretty upset about that. And I feel like

1434
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 2: we'd all like to think that if our child, because yes,

1435
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 2: stupid things sometimes happening, you'd like you'd like to think

1436
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:56,439
Speaker 2: that if your child was in trouble, somebody would stop

1437
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 2: and help them out, and some adult would be there

1438
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 2: for them. Here the good luck to the strikers. On Thursday,

1439
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty k wins forecast again Yeah and

1440
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 2: seventy percent rain and a high of eighteen. High of

1441
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 2: eighteen and Wellington means really it's going to feel like ten.

1442
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 2: So they're going to have to pack their warm woolies

1443
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 2: and their little glovees and their double pants, you know,

1444
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 2: like when you do the like tights and then the

1445
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 2: jeans over the top. They do that in Wellington because

1446
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 2: that's how cold it gets out there. And yeah we're

1447
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 2: swimming in Auckland, but now on in Wellington. Good luck

1448
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 2: with the strike. Listen Over in the UK, the Graham

1449
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 2: line in Debarcle has ended.

1450
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 7: Now.

1451
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've been across this, but this

1452
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 2: is the one where the guy he writes father Ted

1453
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 2: was writing father Ted and he landed Heathrow and he

1454
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 2: was arrested by five officers who were armed because they

1455
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 2: were worried about what he was going to do, because yeah,

1456
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 2: they were arresting him because he said some things in

1457
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 2: social media. So anyway, the cops have now decided they're

1458
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 2: going to let them matter go. They're not going to

1459
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 2: charge him. But more importantly they have also said this

1460
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 2: is the entire police force in the UK have now

1461
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 2: said that ending all hate investigations where there is no

1462
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 2: criminal matter, nothing to deal with it's criminal. This is

1463
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 2: a big deal because a lot of people are getting

1464
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 2: in trouble in the UK with the cops coming around

1465
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 2: to visit them and saying, now we read what you

1466
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 2: said on social media. That's not allowed people to be

1467
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 2: chucked in jail for it and stuff, so it's quite

1468
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 2: a big deal that they're actually backing off this all together.

1469
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 2: We're going to have a chat to end of Brady

1470
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 2: about this. Who will be with us around about quarter

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Speaker 2: to seven. Next up, though, let's get across the situation

1472
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 2: with AWS and Wordle and zero and TV and Z

1473
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 2: and everything with Paul Spain, Newstorm, ZV Kissed anyway, what's up?

1474
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 3: What's down?

1475
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 1: One with the major cause and how will it affect

1476
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 1: the economy? The big business questions on the Business Hour

1477
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: with hither Duplessy Element and mass for Insurance Investments and

1478
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 1: kweis You're in good Hands, News Talks.

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Speaker 3: Good Evening.

1480
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 2: Coming up in the next hour. Patrick smalley is going

1481
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 2: to talk us through Labour's policy flop yesterday. Jamie McKay

1482
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 2: will talk us through Alliance shareholders voting for the sale

1483
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 2: and end of Brady with all of the drama out

1484
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 2: of the UK at seven past six now, this morning's

1485
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Speaker 2: Amazon Web services outage will have cost companies hundreds of

1486
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Speaker 2: billions of dollars. According to estimates, the outage affected thousands

1487
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 2: of companies, from airlines to Zero, Alexa, Snapchat, the likes

1488
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 2: of TV and z in Sky, and yes, controversially, everyone's

1489
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 2: word all streak was broken if they're trying to do

1490
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 2: wordle in the Evening. Paul Spain is the CEO of

1491
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Speaker 2: Guerrilla Technology. Hey Paul, Hi, Heather, did you lose your

1492
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Speaker 2: word all streak?

1493
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 3: No?

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01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 28: Fortunately, that's not an addiction for me.

1495
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 2: Can they? Some people text me through the show, I

1496
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 2: lost my streak, but they've still got their streaks? Now?

1497
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 2: Is that because I played wordle while it was down

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01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 2: and they didn't.

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Speaker 28: It might be a timing thing depending on when you

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01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 28: when you play and when they do. But I imagine if

1501
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 28: a lot of people are impacted, they can they can

1502
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 28: probably join join things up and solve that for you.

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01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 2: No, well, I hope. So now listen. Is everything working now?

1504
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 2: Has it all been fixed?

1505
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:14,479
Speaker 10: Yes?

1506
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 3: And no.

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Speaker 28: So on the Amazon side, they're reporting that they're one

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Speaker 28: hundred and however, many services that that were offline or

1509
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 28: impacted are all back online. But a lot of things

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01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 28: got broken in the process, and so when I looked at,

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01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 28: for instance, zero a few minutes ago, they were still

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Speaker 28: reporting issues. And you know, I know people within my

1513
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,719
Speaker 28: business have been impacted by that today and finding zero

1514
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:46,679
Speaker 28: sort of you know, quite unreliable, slow and so on.

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01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 28: So this is this is a thing when you when

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01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 28: you when you break a lot of technology, sometimes it

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01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 28: takes quite an effort to actually get that, you know,

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Speaker 28: fully back to full operation. And possibly Amazon have been

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01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:06,839
Speaker 28: a bit cautious about putting things back up to full speed,

1520
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 28: but they haven't officially indicated that from from what I've seen.

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01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 2: So given that, there will be businesses who have, as

1522
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 2: I said earlier, lost a lot of money here who's

1523
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 2: libel is a WS liable.

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01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 28: Usually they kind of contract themselves out of liability in

1525
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 28: their in their terms of service to it to at

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01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 28: least a large degree. So I would be surprised if

1527
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 28: they're you know, heavily you know, in trouble on this one,

1528
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:43,759
Speaker 28: you know, directly. But I mean, yeah, that's that's not

1529
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 28: not something I've kind of have full knowledge on all

1530
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 28: the contracts that they've they've got maybe with some of

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01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 28: their bigger, bigger customers.

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01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 2: Now, look, there was one commentator today who suggested that

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01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 2: what we need to do is diversify because we need

1534
01:09:57,560 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 2: to accept that this kind of thing is going to happen, right,

1535
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 2: and so maybe have your main bank account with one bank,

1536
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 2: but then have another bank account with a different bank,

1537
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 2: so that if your bank goes down in something like this,

1538
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,679
Speaker 2: you still have access to money. What do you think

1539
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 2: might help?

1540
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 3: Might might not?

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01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 28: Because as we move to a sort of world where

1542
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 28: the banks and everyone else is running off a small

1543
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:29,640
Speaker 28: number of hyperscale cloud providers like AWS, Microsoft, Google, then

1544
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 28: you know, one thing being impacted can impact another. And

1545
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 28: of course you know banks rely on paymark and credit

1546
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 28: card platforms and so on, so you know it takes

1547
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 28: you know, one of those things to go down, could

1548
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 28: take all of our banks offline. And so just as

1549
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 28: you know, one of the arguments that you know some

1550
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 28: people will raise around you know, how much digitization.

1551
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 10: Should we have?

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01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 28: Should we really keep going to a fully digitized sort

1553
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 28: of world where you don't have cash and so on?

1554
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 28: And you know, this is one of those one of

1555
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 28: those things that that comes up, is that it's nice

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01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 28: to have some backup options.

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01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 2: Is it also, though, necessary to worry about it so much?

1558
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 2: Because don't we just have to accept this kind of

1559
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 2: thing is going to happen. Like it works ninety nine

1560
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 2: point seven percent of the time, sometimes it's not going

1561
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 2: to and it'll be up and running again within hours.

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01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 28: Yes, and no, I mean the big players, lie, cameras

1563
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 28: on will put a lot of effort in behind the

1564
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 28: scenes to try and ensure that this particular issue never

1565
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 28: happens again. And you know, over the years they've continued

1566
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 28: to invest in resiliency. But you know what we've seen

1567
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 28: over the last twenty four hours is nobody gets it

1568
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 28: right all of the time, but the impact can be

1569
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 28: quite big. And you know, this one's saying, you know,

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01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 28: we've we've heard these comments and you know, potentially hundreds

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01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 28: of billions of dollars. But of course that's not evenly spread.

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01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 28: So there may well be businesses in you know, multiple

1573
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 28: countries around the world that will shut down because this

1574
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 28: outage hit them, you know, in the wrong way at

1575
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 28: the wrong time. And you know that that's that's not

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01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:18,759
Speaker 28: necessarily the sort of you know, the sort of outcome

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01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 28: that you would want. And of course there is the

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01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 28: potential for for you know, for bigger interruptions to the technology. Uh,

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01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 28: you know, we saw Tonga when they they went off offline,

1580
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 28: you know pretty much as a uh you know, as

1581
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 28: a as a nation when their fiber optic cable to

1582
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,640
Speaker 28: the rest of the world was was destroyed with with

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01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 28: the volcano going back a little while, so you know,

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01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:47,639
Speaker 28: we do have to think around, well, how resilient are

1585
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 28: we and you know, is there's such a thing as

1586
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 28: over digitization.

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Speaker 2: That's a really interesting idea, Paul, Thank you very much.

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01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,759
Speaker 2: Paul Spain, CEO of Guerrilla Technology, actually on that subject,

1589
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 2: because remember this happened, happened a while ago, I feel

1590
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 2: like it was last year, and then you couldn't get

1591
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 2: groceries because the blah blah blah whatever thing was down.

1592
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 2: So I took out I think a couple of hundred bucks,

1593
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:09,600
Speaker 2: shoved it somewhere. I know where it is. I'm just

1594
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:12,640
Speaker 2: I'm not telling you where. I'm not telling you and

1595
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 2: my husband where it is, but I know where it is,

1596
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:16,640
Speaker 2: and that's for the in case of this happening. So

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01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:19,759
Speaker 2: maybe he's right, Maybe we are over to digitized. Listen,

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01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 2: Torpedo seven a brand that I actually have bought quite

1599
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:24,520
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff from a kind of have a

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01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 2: soft spot for Torpedo seven, it's going to go back

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01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 2: to being online only. Do you remember it was online

1602
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 2: only when it first started about twenty years ago or

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01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 2: something like that. The group who bought it for a

1604
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 2: dollar from the warehouse, called the Tahua Group, are going

1605
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 2: to close two of the stores and then they're going

1606
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 2: to convert ten of the other stores to a new

1607
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 2: retail offering, which they're calling the Outlet, and then after

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01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:45,560
Speaker 2: that Torpedoes it's just the outlet and Torpedo seven is

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01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 2: online only. Before they do that, though, which sounds like

1610
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 2: they're going to do it sort of like early next year,

1611
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 2: after summer, there's going to be a major clearance sale

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01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 2: to look out for. You're welcome. Fourteen past six.

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Speaker 1: It's the head Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

1614
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 1: on I'm Radio empowered by newstalg Zebbie Heather.

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01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 2: Just so you know, only fans went down as well.

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01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:10,679
Speaker 2: No thank you, Colin seventeen past six, the.

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01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 3: Rural Report on Heather.

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01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 2: Do for see Alan Drove Jamie Mackay The country is

1619
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:16,440
Speaker 2: with us, Hello, Jamie.

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01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 27: I can't even get one word or let alone six

1621
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 27: hundred and thirty three or whatever, Heather. So you're still

1622
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 27: a winner in my eyes.

1623
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 2: Oh mate, thank you, but that don't don't don't be

1624
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 2: so stoked. There are some people who have like streaks

1625
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 2: of about one thousand plus, so I am but a

1626
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 2: child compared to them. Anyway, It's not to be. That's

1627
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 2: that's the end of that for me. Now, Alliance not

1628
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 2: a surprise, is it.

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01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 27: No, not a surprise at all. Look, it was a

1630
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 27: really Hobson's choice for the farmers. So the vote finished yesterday.

1631
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 27: They announced the results this morning. An overwhelming mandate is

1632
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 27: what i'd call it. Eighty eight percent of the shares

1633
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 27: on issue voted, which was important because they needed at

1634
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 27: least fifty percent of them to vote, and those that

1635
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 27: voted they need a seventy five seventy five percent majority.

1636
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,799
Speaker 27: They did much better than that. They got eighty seven

1637
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 27: so that met the threshold required by the Takeovers Code.

1638
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 27: You all know the deal by now, two hundred and

1639
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 27: seventy million from the Irish meat company Dawn meets for

1640
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 27: sixty five percent of the Alliance group. There are some

1641
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 27: synergies and advantages because Dawn meats very strong and beef.

1642
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 27: The Alliance is the world's biggest sheep meat processor, so

1643
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 27: they're going to balance each other out there. Obviously, Northern

1644
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 27: Hemisphere supply versus Southern Hemisphere supply. That all round, all

1645
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:41,640
Speaker 27: round supply is going to be good. Mark Win, the

1646
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 27: chair who's really staked his reputation on this one, was

1647
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 27: pretty tough when I was talking to him today. And

1648
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 27: you know who were Dawn Meats. While they were established

1649
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 27: in the nineteen eighties by three Irish farming families, they

1650
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:56,719
Speaker 27: processed three and a half million sheep and one million

1651
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,759
Speaker 27: cattle a year. That's a lot of cattle for farmers

1652
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 27: flying them. That makes them bigger than any meat company

1653
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 27: here in New Zealand. Turnover of five point eight billion,

1654
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 27: which is two to three times any meat company here

1655
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 27: in New Zealand for eleven processing sites in Ireland at

1656
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,520
Speaker 27: thirteen in the United Kingdom. But as I said, Hobson's

1657
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 27: choice for the farmers, they didn't really have much of

1658
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 27: an option. The proposal to recapitalize from some high profile,

1659
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 27: high wealth farmers didn't really take off. So really hither

1660
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 27: it's up to the batter's box for the next farmer

1661
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:34,959
Speaker 27: co Op vote, and that is Fonterra.

1662
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:38,560
Speaker 2: Do you think any of these farmers will all shareholders

1663
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 2: would have been put off by Winston Peters.

1664
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 27: Oh, I don't know. Winston's blustering away on this one,

1665
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 27: and Shane Shane Jones is also as well. This is

1666
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 27: all part of the New Zealand first nationalistic view on life,

1667
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 27: where any foreign investment is totally evil. Look, Winston, as

1668
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 27: much as I admire them on occasions, is totally wrong here.

1669
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 27: It's none of his business. He needs to butt out.

1670
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 27: These are farmer owned cooperatives. The only people who have

1671
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,639
Speaker 27: a right to make a decision here are the owners

1672
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 27: of the company or in this case the cooperatives, the farmers,

1673
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:14,639
Speaker 27: just like the Fonterra one. He's jumping up and down

1674
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 27: about that, and Shane Jones was saying, well, Fonterra is

1675
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 27: going to come knocking at my door needing favors. I

1676
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 27: said to him it sounded a bit like a threat.

1677
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:25,839
Speaker 27: So that vote, Heather, we'll know that one next Thursday.

1678
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 27: We're about to talk about that one Thursday week, October

1679
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 27: the thirtieth, And you know, you don't look a gift

1680
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 27: horse in the mouth. The farmers are of course going

1681
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 27: to vote to get three point two billion of the

1682
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 27: four point two billion that they're going to get from

1683
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 27: the sale to the French dairy giant. Luck tellus. I

1684
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 27: hope I got that right. I don't think no, I

1685
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 27: didn't play with lactalise. Thank you, Heather. Well you're multilingualiz.

1686
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 2: I don't even know that I got it wrong. But

1687
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 2: I just I think if you if you just come

1688
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 2: at it with some confidence, I think you know wins

1689
01:17:58,280 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 2: the day.

1690
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 27: The great the great Keith Quinn used to say in

1691
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 27: rugby commentary back when I was a commentator many years ago,

1692
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:06,680
Speaker 27: if you can't pronounce it, just say it quickly, and

1693
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 27: I should have. I've missed a trick there. Look, they're

1694
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 27: going to get two dollars per share tax free capital return.

1695
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 27: That's something like three to four hundred grand for your

1696
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 27: average farmer. A lot of that's going to go into

1697
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 27: debt repayments. Some of them paid big money for their

1698
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 27: Fonterra shares in the first place. But a lot of that,

1699
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 27: some of it is going to find its way into

1700
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 27: essential farming expenditure. And I'm talking about replacing utes and

1701
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 27: tractors that are overdue to be replaced. So this is

1702
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 27: going to be a real kick in the backside for

1703
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 27: the economy.

1704
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 2: Oh brilliant. Hey, Jamie, listen, thank you very much. Appreciate

1705
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 2: Jamie McCay, Host of the Country. Can I tell you

1706
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:45,680
Speaker 2: why I said brilliant just then, which born it was

1707
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 2: just completely out of step with what he was saying.

1708
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:49,719
Speaker 2: It's because Esther just text me and I was reading

1709
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:53,599
Speaker 2: it while listening to Jamie and Esther. The text says, Heather,

1710
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm having a challenging day. I really do

1711
01:18:56,439 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 2: enjoy listening to you, and you've done exceptionally well in

1712
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 2: your career of family at all.

1713
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:01,839
Speaker 1: That's nice.

1714
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 2: I thought, what is Esther apologizing for? So I clicked

1715
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:10,759
Speaker 2: on it and Esther said, twenty five minutes ago, please

1716
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 2: no more humans with your genetics. So thank you, Esther.

1717
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 5: I do.

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01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 2: I appreciate your apology and don't worry. But I didn't

1719
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:21,679
Speaker 2: even see that text. Now I did, and that's why

1720
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 2: I was saying all brilliant, because like, oh, brilliant, that's

1721
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 2: what she said six twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's a macro micro or just playing economics, it's

1723
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:33,600
Speaker 1: all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and

1724
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 1: Mass for Insurance Convestments and Kuye Safer.

1725
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 3: You're in good hands.

1726
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:42,639
Speaker 2: Use TALKSV listen, just just an update on the BSA. Thing.

1727
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 2: Sounds to me like Paul Goldsmiths is potentially going to

1728
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 2: make a bit of a whoopsie here. He has hinted

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Speaker 2: in an interview that online radio and the entire Internet

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01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:55,559
Speaker 2: should be subject to the BSA. This is appropo the

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01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:57,759
Speaker 2: business with the BSA just deciding that they're the police

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01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 2: of the Internet. So they could have a crack at

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01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,639
Speaker 2: Sean last week. So in the interview he said, quote,

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Speaker 2: it's not obvious to me why one group of people

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01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 2: who are broadcasting in a very similar way that's the platform,

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01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 2: should be subject to the BSA and another group shouldn't be.

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01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 2: For example, radio in New Zealand or News Talk ZB.

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01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 2: He said, what we're talking about is a very small

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01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 2: number of programs such as Herald Now for example. It's

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01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 2: not obvious to me why Herald Now a breakfast show

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01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 2: shouldn't be covered, but breakfast TV should be covered, to

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01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 2: which I would say no, thanks very much, Paul. I

1743
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 2: feel like Paul needs to call me, Paul, call me,

1744
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 2: give me, call give me echol if we're going to

1745
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 2: talk about it, because if what Paul is trying to

1746
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 2: do here is get fairness for all, Like everybody should

1747
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:43,759
Speaker 2: be treated fairly. One group's not subject to the BSA,

1748
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 2: everybody else is. Then how about we get fairness for

1749
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:48,719
Speaker 2: all by just taking everybody away from the BSA. Because

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01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 2: the BSA are just a giant pain in the arse

1751
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 2: that don't do their job anymore. Right, no one takes

1752
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:55,680
Speaker 2: them seriously. I'm sorry if this is news to the BSA.

1753
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 2: Nobody takes them seriously. Back in the day, it was

1754
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 2: set up because there was a massive power and balance,

1755
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 2: right because you know, the radio could say all the

1756
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 2: stuff about you and you could do nothing about it.

1757
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 2: But now it doesn't exist. It's not the case in

1758
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. If you don't like what the radio

1759
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 2: people are saying about you go on Twitter or Facebook

1760
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 2: or whatever, start a blog, have a crack. People do

1761
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 2: it all the time. The power and balance isn't that

1762
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:19,760
Speaker 2: big a deal anymore anyway. So also, by the way,

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01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 2: Chris Bishop was kind of clear to me yesterday that

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01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 2: giving the BSA more power is not the intention of

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01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 2: the government policy. So gold Ish, you give me a call,

1766
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 2: we can have a chat about this, so you can

1767
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:30,680
Speaker 2: just understand how people feel about it. No, to the

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01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 2: BSA defund the BSA six twenty seven.

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01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 3: There's no business like show business.

1770
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 2: AI is inching ever closer to taking our jobs. When

1771
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 2: I say that, I'm talking about my job. So the

1772
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 2: first artificially generated television presenter has been launched in the UK.

1773
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 2: The TV station Channel four ran an episode of a

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01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 2: documentary series called Dispatch, and this episode was all about

1775
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 2: AI replacement in the office.

1776
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 29: AI is going to touch everybody lied in the next

1777
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 29: few years, and for some it will take their chance.

1778
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 2: The special was hosted by the lovely Aisher Gabon. The

1779
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:10,720
Speaker 2: only problem is Eisher doesn't actually exist.

1780
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 29: In a British TV First, I'm actually an AI presenter.

1781
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 29: I wasn't on location reporting this story. My image and

1782
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 29: voice were generated using AI.

1783
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:25,719
Speaker 2: Now, if she wasn't talking about how she didn't exist,

1784
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:27,759
Speaker 2: would you have actually guessed that she wasn't real because

1785
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 2: she did a pretty credible job, didn't she. The program

1786
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:33,040
Speaker 2: didn't reveal the fake host until the very end, which

1787
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 2: left viewers shocked. The head of the channel, Louisa Compton,

1788
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 2: said they wouldn't be making a habit out of having

1789
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 2: AI presenters on the channel, but instead she did say

1790
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:43,320
Speaker 2: the stunt served as a reminder of just how disruptive

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Speaker 2: AI could be when we have no way of verifying

1792
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 2: what's real and what isn't. Which is going to be

1793
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 2: the creepy thing, isn't it when you see a video

1794
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 2: of your dad doing something strange or your mum's saying

1795
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 2: something weird, be like, is that really my dad or

1796
01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:58,760
Speaker 2: my mum? Or is it AI? And one day I'm

1797
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 2: not sure you're going to tell the difference. News is next,

1798
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:03,680
Speaker 2: and then Patrick Smelley on the Labor Party policy.

1799
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:16,640
Speaker 3: Flop, everything from SMEs to the big corporates.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Ellen and Mass for

1801
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 1: insurance investments and huiye Saber, you're in good hands.

1802
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 3: News talks'd be.

1803
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 2: Like Ed Brady's going to be this out of the

1804
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 2: UK and ten minutes time absolutely going to ask him

1805
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:37,760
Speaker 2: about the development that the police over there are going

1806
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:41,719
Speaker 2: to stop the hate crime basically stop policing people's social media.

1807
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 2: Thank god here that over the years Paul Goldsmith has

1808
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:47,799
Speaker 2: said some very strange things. He can be a bit weird. Debs,

1809
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 2: I can't disagree with you on that. This is true.

1810
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:53,680
Speaker 2: Twenty four away from seven now it's fair to say

1811
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 2: Labour's first new policy in years has not been a

1812
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 2: total success. It's been met with widespread criticism for being

1813
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:01,679
Speaker 2: short on details and just a bit of a rubbish idea.

1814
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 2: Patrick Smalley wrote a particularly blunt opinion piece for Business

1815
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 2: Deskinies with us hallo, Patrick, Okay, how do you market

1816
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:09,879
Speaker 2: out of ten.

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Speaker 20: Or about a three's?

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I.

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01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 20: Think the idea is not necessarily well, some of the

1820
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 20: idea a bad idea, you know, ring fencing in an

1821
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 20: independent agency or fund an infrastructure and or maybe a

1822
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 20: startup fund which politicians can't get their hands on and

1823
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 20: change their minds about it all the time. That's fine,

1824
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:40,679
Speaker 20: but this is a very small fund. So talk about

1825
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:44,679
Speaker 20: two hundred million dollars to kick it off. And I mean,

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01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:49,440
Speaker 20: we don't know exactly which cash generating state owned enterprises

1827
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 20: would be kicking funds into the thing, but it's hard

1828
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 20: to imagine that we have more than seven hundred million

1829
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 20: dollars a year to spend. And that's just a drop

1830
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:00,400
Speaker 20: in the bucket for the things that were need to

1831
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 20: spend on infrastructure, and it's it seems like it's more

1832
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,639
Speaker 20: a kind of virtue signaling things saying we'll never let

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01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 20: government assets be sold, which you know reasonable people will

1834
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 20: argue about. But it seems to be there are some

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01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 20: things that the government needs to build and spend money

1836
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 20: on infrastructure in there, and it could do that if

1837
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,639
Speaker 20: it freed up some funds for some things that doesn't

1838
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:24,600
Speaker 20: actually need to own base. So it's more about the

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01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 20: privatization data than anything else.

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Speaker 2: Well quite right, So is this actually about a policy

1841
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 2: idea or is this actually more about politics, about setting

1842
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:35,680
Speaker 2: themselves up to be able to fight national on the

1843
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:38,560
Speaker 2: potential capital potential asset sales that may happen at the

1844
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 2: next election, and also finding some common ground with New

1845
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 2: Zealand First for a potential coalition. Is that really what

1846
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 2: it's about?

1847
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 20: In some ways, I think it's actually more about the latter.

1848
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:50,599
Speaker 20: I mean, I could be obviously one hundred percent wrong,

1849
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 20: but the one thing that strikes me about the upcoming

1850
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 20: election next year is it, just like every other election

1851
01:25:56,360 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 20: in recent times, the only party that could already shift

1852
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:02,960
Speaker 20: to left or right as New Zealand First. They say

1853
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 20: they would work with Cruscipikens, but I suspect they would work,

1854
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 20: but they worked with Labor before. If the circumstances arose

1855
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 20: where Labor looked like a good former government, but it

1856
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 20: had a choice between the party Molding and New Zealand First.

1857
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 20: It's not that difficult to imagine circumstances with both Labor

1858
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 20: and New Zealand First would think that wasn't a bad

1859
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 20: outcome to get back together. New Zealand First could claimed

1860
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 20: to be sensible, and Labor could say, with lots of

1861
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:32,160
Speaker 20: things we agree about, including having a crack at the

1862
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 20: generated betailers and doing this kind of sovereign fund idea.

1863
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 20: But remember Peter's idea for a sovereign funds one hundred

1864
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 20: billion dollars, whereas this thing starts with two hundred million.

1865
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:46,679
Speaker 20: It's chalk and cheese.

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01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 2: Now do we not tell me if I'm wrong here?

1867
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 2: But do we not already have a fund that does

1868
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:52,680
Speaker 2: basically what this fund is supposed to do, which is

1869
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 2: invest in New Zealand businesses. And isn't that fund the

1870
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 2: New Zealand Growth Capital Partner's Fund.

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Speaker 20: Well, I suppose that's where I think fund. The whole

1872
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:03,600
Speaker 20: thing A little bit confused, I is it an infrastructure

1873
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 20: fund or is it a a Is it an early

1874
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 20: stage good ideas? New Zealand Business Investing Fund. It's it's

1875
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 20: both according to the material that labored arrest yesterday. And

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01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 20: what concerns me about that is it that says to

1877
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:19,679
Speaker 20: me that they haven't really bought their own way through

1878
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:23,680
Speaker 20: what it's for very well. Yes, And the other thing is.

1879
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:26,520
Speaker 5: I guess you're right. There are lots of pots.

1880
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 20: Of dough of about that sort of two hundred million

1881
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 20: dollar size already available and doing either good or mediocre work,

1882
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:36,519
Speaker 20: depending on how well they manage.

1883
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:38,679
Speaker 2: Now, Patrick, tell me, do you think that they will

1884
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 2: be genuinely surprised at how badly this has landed.

1885
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 20: I'm not sure that it has landed as badly as

1886
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:50,720
Speaker 20: the commentariat people like me have had to crack at it.

1887
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 20: But I see a lot of you know, a lot

1888
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 20: of labor people like the sound of it. It sounds

1889
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 20: good about right, and if you don't think too hard

1890
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:06,719
Speaker 20: about the fact that it's sort of the difference between

1891
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:10,080
Speaker 20: ten cents and one hundred dollars in terms of the scale

1892
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 20: of the thing, then you know, it can sound like

1893
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 20: a good idea. But it's just it just does to me.

1894
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 20: It's not credible. I've looked at too many policies like

1895
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 20: this being announced before elections over god knows how many

1896
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 20: years now, and it's a it's a tiddler of a policy.

1897
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:29,479
Speaker 2: Yeah. Patrick, it's always good to talk to you. Thank

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01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 2: you so much for your time. That's Patrick Smelly, the

1899
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 2: founding editor of Business Desk, nineteen away from seven. I

1900
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:38,599
Speaker 2: have a clarification I need to issue. The Boss did

1901
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 2: not meet Ryan Adams when he was in Las Vegas.

1902
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:46,720
Speaker 2: He met Brian Adams, which is my point. Wasn't that

1903
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 2: my point the whole time yesterday. Don't come out with

1904
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 2: the like rhyming name with somebody who's already famous before

1905
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 2: you come out with the same name, because I'm going

1906
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 2: to get confused. I genuinely thought yesterday when I was

1907
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:01,599
Speaker 2: telling you he'd met Ryan Adams, that he met Ryan Adams.

1908
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 2: Now he tells us I said to him today, Oh,

1909
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 2: I was talking about you're meeting Ryan Adams. He was like, mate,

1910
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 2: I met Brian Adams either. Oh no, there we go,

1911
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 2: like Hosking strikes again.

1912
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 11: Now.

1913
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've caught up on this, but

1914
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 2: if you're committing the fashion crime still like me of

1915
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:21,800
Speaker 2: going to the gym and black leggings, it is now

1916
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:24,680
Speaker 2: officially a fashion crime. According to the gen zs, they

1917
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 2: think that black leggings are really boring and it's a

1918
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 2: telltale sign of someone's age, which is basically, you're a

1919
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:34,599
Speaker 2: millennial and up, and that you should instead be wearing

1920
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:37,120
Speaker 2: baggy pants and tiny little skirts to the gym and

1921
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:39,559
Speaker 2: everything should be in pastel colors. And they're not alone,

1922
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 2: by the way. In July, the trade publication The Business

1923
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:44,760
Speaker 2: of Fashion declared the rain of the leggings is over

1924
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 2: and said millennials helped crown leggings as the ultimate do

1925
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:53,600
Speaker 2: everything uniform. Gen Z is shifting the silhouette entirely, gravitating

1926
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 2: towards oversized, slouchier work clothes. Now, I'm telling you this

1927
01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:01,679
Speaker 2: because I want to give you the advice, Like, bear

1928
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 2: in mind, I am a millennial. Okay, so I hate

1929
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:06,600
Speaker 2: gen Z and all their stupid ideas like jeez, you

1930
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 2: didn't invent the world, get over yourself. But I'm telling

1931
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 2: you this so that I can tell you to just

1932
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 2: ignore them, because I don't know if you've tried to

1933
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:18,559
Speaker 2: do a sprint cycle class in baggy pants, but good

1934
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 2: luck to you doing that, mate. I'm looking forward to

1935
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:24,679
Speaker 2: you tying yourself up in all kinds of bits of equipment. Also,

1936
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:27,839
Speaker 2: I'm really looking forward to you getting off the cycle

1937
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 2: in your pastel colored pants and then seeing the gigantic

1938
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 2: sweat mark that is encompassing your entire butt crack, because

1939
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 2: that is what's gonna happen to you if you're wearing

1940
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Speaker 2: pastel blue pants when you're getting off the bike. That's

1941
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Speaker 2: why we wear black pants. No one can see the

1942
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Speaker 2: sweat mark anyway. I also think this is going nowhere

1943
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 2: because in the past, the previous attempts by gen Z

1944
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:51,640
Speaker 2: to change everything up haven't actually worked. They killed the

1945
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 2: skinny jeans. Guess what's making a comeback. Yeah, skinny jeans,

1946
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Speaker 2: I know, shockingly, I don't want to wear them, but

1947
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Speaker 2: they are also gen Z told us the song part

1948
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Speaker 2: was over and you had to you had to part

1949
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:04,679
Speaker 2: down the middle like an absolute nerd. Guess what heaps

1950
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Speaker 2: people are still parting on the side. So whatever, don't

1951
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Speaker 2: go for the pastel pants. You're gonna regret it. Sixteen

1952
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Speaker 2: away from seven.

1953
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Speaker 3: If it's to do.

1954
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Speaker 1: With money, it matters to you. The Business hour with

1955
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Speaker 1: Header do for c Ellen and Maz for insurance investments

1956
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Speaker 1: and Huey Saber and you're in good hands News Talk

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Speaker 1: d B.

1958
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Speaker 2: Hither the gen zs don't know how to work hard

1959
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Speaker 2: out enough to get sweaty butt cracks. That's probably true.

1960
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Speaker 2: Thirteen away from seven Indo Brady UK correspondence with a

1961
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Speaker 2: sollow Ender.

1962
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Speaker 6: Hey, Hen, how are you Ininda?

1963
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Speaker 2: Listen you you're the ultimate guy to talk to about this.

1964
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Speaker 2: Have you got on board with this nonsense that the

1965
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Speaker 2: gen z is a pedaling that we've got to get

1966
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Speaker 2: out of black pants and start wearing pastels.

1967
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Speaker 7: Oh?

1968
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Speaker 2: Do you know what?

1969
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Speaker 19: I'll tell you a little story. Last weekend I did

1970
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:52,679
Speaker 19: a marathon in Germany and there was a girl who

1971
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Speaker 19: you would describe as gen Z. And I saw a

1972
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:58,200
Speaker 19: stop with about five kilometers to go, and in my

1973
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Speaker 19: head I was sole programmed to a modern young people,

1974
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Speaker 19: they're hopeless. So she walked about ten meters, she gave

1975
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Speaker 19: me a real look of determination, She overtook me, and

1976
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Speaker 19: she beat me. So I think we need to stop.

1977
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Speaker 5: You know.

1978
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Speaker 19: I had a lovely conversation with her afterwards, and I

1979
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 19: just say, you can fly to the moon anything you

1980
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:16,559
Speaker 19: want to do. You've got your first marathon under your belt.

1981
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 19: I think we need to get off their backs and

1982
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Speaker 19: give them a chance.

1983
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Speaker 2: Oh excuse me? What color were her pens? Though they

1984
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:27,120
Speaker 2: were pastoral? Actually yeah, I could you see her sweety

1985
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 2: back crack as a result.

1986
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Speaker 19: I wasn't looking, Heather, I'm not Prince Andrew.

1987
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Speaker 2: Come on, Speaking of which, what's the lightest with him?

1988
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Speaker 19: So the papers today, never mind the book that's out,

1989
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 19: God rest her Virginia guphrase book published today that will

1990
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 19: be very damaging. Of course, the papers today have got

1991
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:51,560
Speaker 19: hold of his rental agreement, the least on Royal Lodge,

1992
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 19: and this is very interesting. I wonder who could possibly

1993
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:57,679
Speaker 19: have provided that document to the Times newspaper today. He's

1994
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:02,639
Speaker 19: not paid rent since two thousand and three, unbelievable, twenty

1995
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:09,000
Speaker 19: two years. Rem mansion with forty hectares of land, the

1996
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:12,120
Speaker 19: country in a cost of living crisis. Andrew has not

1997
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:15,600
Speaker 19: paid rent for twenty two years. So I think what

1998
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:19,160
Speaker 19: we're seeing now is the dismantling of his life by

1999
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:22,880
Speaker 19: his family, not his ex wife and children. I think

2000
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 19: William is driving all of this because he doesn't want

2001
01:33:25,479 --> 01:33:28,200
Speaker 19: to have to deal with the mess when he becomes king.

2002
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:31,400
Speaker 19: So that is the big front page story today. Wow

2003
01:33:31,439 --> 01:33:36,920
Speaker 19: and elsewhere. Crossbench support for the title of Prince being

2004
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:39,880
Speaker 19: removed with a parliamentary act that will happen.

2005
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Speaker 2: I reckon, do you reckon? I mean zet is like

2006
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:45,760
Speaker 2: that's nuclear right. I mean, because everybody had talked about sure,

2007
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 2: take away the Duke of York, take away various other things.

2008
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:51,200
Speaker 2: Taking away prince is quite a big step. You think

2009
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:51,920
Speaker 2: they'll go that far.

2010
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:56,479
Speaker 19: There's cross party support, they're all saying, and it's been

2011
01:33:56,520 --> 01:34:01,040
Speaker 19: started by Rachel Maskell, a Labor backbencher, and it is

2012
01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 19: gaining traction. There is an Act of Parliament that was

2013
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:06,240
Speaker 19: passed apparently in nineteen seventeen at the request of King

2014
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 19: George the Fifth, that the child of Annie Monarch would

2015
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:13,559
Speaker 19: be known as prince and if they can pass an act,

2016
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:16,800
Speaker 19: they can remove an act. So I think Starmar is

2017
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:19,880
Speaker 19: very reluctant to get involved. The word from Downing Street

2018
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 19: is that this is an issue for the Palace, but

2019
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:25,040
Speaker 19: the Palace can't act without Parliament. But make no mistake,

2020
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 19: this is not Charles driving all of this.

2021
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Speaker 2: This is with youam okay. So this rises a constitutional question.

2022
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:32,920
Speaker 2: Then if you have got the monarch, if you have

2023
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 2: got Parliament doing something that the King doesn't necessarily want

2024
01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:38,919
Speaker 2: to have heppen. What does that say about the monarchy.

2025
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:43,360
Speaker 19: I think there are serious questions about the future of

2026
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:47,000
Speaker 19: the monarchy, all courtesy of Andrews's behavior. There are very

2027
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:50,200
Speaker 19: good people in the royal family. Princess Anne is a workaholic,

2028
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 19: non stop. She will turn up anywhere she works, She smiles,

2029
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 19: she gets on with it, and yet everything Charles went

2030
01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:00,760
Speaker 19: to the synagogue in Manchester yesterday to spend time at

2031
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:04,040
Speaker 19: the Jewish community after that awful attack two weeks ago

2032
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:08,240
Speaker 19: and Charles's work, I think he must be immensely frustrated,

2033
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:11,719
Speaker 19: you know, going through cancer treatment, heading up to Manchester,

2034
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 19: spending time with people who are breathing, friends and members

2035
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:18,040
Speaker 19: of their congregation who were stabbed to death last two

2036
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:21,360
Speaker 19: weeks ago. For all of this, anything Charles does at

2037
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:24,000
Speaker 19: the moment, I can guarantee you pictures of his brother

2038
01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 19: and young girls will be on the front pages.

2039
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:29,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, now listen. I think this is quite big

2040
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:31,960
Speaker 2: news that the UK police are dropping all non crime

2041
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:33,040
Speaker 2: hate investigations.

2042
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Speaker 3: Do you.

2043
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Speaker 6: I do.

2044
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Speaker 19: But it's no surprise because it wasn't a crime. The

2045
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:39,479
Speaker 19: police have come out and said that they are not

2046
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:42,799
Speaker 19: going to police things that are not crimes. Anymore. Yes,

2047
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:46,080
Speaker 19: it may well have involved the word hate in inverted commas.

2048
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:50,719
Speaker 19: So a non crime hate incident. It is not a crime,

2049
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:53,839
Speaker 19: but it is something that is motivated by hate towards

2050
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:57,800
Speaker 19: someone because of gender or other characteristics. The police have

2051
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:01,040
Speaker 19: come out and I think again in mense frustration at

2052
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:02,840
Speaker 19: the highest level in the police that they were being

2053
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:05,760
Speaker 19: told to go and investigate this and Grahame Linhan for

2054
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:08,719
Speaker 19: people who haven't followed it, this guy created very big

2055
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:12,320
Speaker 19: hit comedies like Father Ted the It Crowd. He lives

2056
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:15,599
Speaker 19: in Arizona and he was flying into Heathrow on business.

2057
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 19: Five armed police officers took him off a plane. I mean,

2058
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:21,559
Speaker 19: if my house got burgled last night, I'd get a

2059
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:23,799
Speaker 19: crime reference number and I would not see an officer

2060
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:26,880
Speaker 19: today or next week at five arm cops that he

2061
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:29,679
Speaker 19: throwed dragging him off a plane to explain a tweet,

2062
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:32,519
Speaker 19: which probably the biggest defense about the tweet was it

2063
01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:34,280
Speaker 19: was not that funny for a comedian.

2064
01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:36,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fair point. And it always good to talk

2065
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:38,880
Speaker 2: to you, mate, Thanks so much for your intel. The

2066
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,320
Speaker 2: Indo Brady UK correspondent Iaway from.

2067
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:45,160
Speaker 1: Seven It's the hitherto per se Allan Drive full show

2068
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:49,080
Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio powered by news dog Zibby.

2069
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Speaker 2: Tally tad. Did that make you feel like you were

2070
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:57,120
Speaker 2: at at home? Beti? She said, terrible pronunciation. She did

2071
01:36:57,120 --> 01:36:57,880
Speaker 2: not like that at all.

2072
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:00,400
Speaker 9: Apologized to everyone outside of Aorkland who didn't heard that.

2073
01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:03,680
Speaker 2: Heather is so thank god you're telling everybody. So it

2074
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:05,719
Speaker 2: was an Auckland ad that just played, and she said,

2075
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:09,639
Speaker 2: cule it tat. That is German for quality. And Laura said,

2076
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:12,080
Speaker 2: that is not German for quality. That's an English person

2077
01:37:12,120 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 2: trying to be German for quality.

2078
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:14,920
Speaker 9: Oh, I mixed. They'll be telling us your players and

2079
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:18,599
Speaker 9: French for yogurt. It's a no, it isn't.

2080
01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:22,960
Speaker 2: Oh no, anyway, listen, just a little update. I just

2081
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:25,960
Speaker 2: got a note from the Public Service Commission. It's not

2082
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:28,639
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety dollars that were spent on those

2083
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:31,600
Speaker 2: Facebook ads, because you know how the Public Service Association

2084
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:33,360
Speaker 2: the union was like, no, it's the way, it's the

2085
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:35,320
Speaker 2: taxpayers money. And I said, oh, it's just one hundred

2086
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:36,960
Speaker 2: and ninety dollars. They said, no, it's not. Actually it's

2087
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:39,479
Speaker 2: not one hundred ninety dollars either. It's two hundred and

2088
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:44,120
Speaker 2: forty eight dollars forty three cents, so I'm okay with that.

2089
01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:46,800
Speaker 2: And also their argument, by the way, is that the

2090
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:49,080
Speaker 2: purpose of the ads is to provide public information about

2091
01:37:49,120 --> 01:37:51,280
Speaker 2: disruption to services and what is being done to prevent

2092
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:55,000
Speaker 2: further disruption. So the content complies, they say, with relevant

2093
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:58,479
Speaker 2: government advertising and political neutrality guidelines, and I would say,

2094
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:00,880
Speaker 2: to the letter of the law, they will be absolutely

2095
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 2: doing the right thing. It just feels political to the

2096
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:07,839
Speaker 2: Union because the Union is political, so anything that opposes

2097
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:10,320
Speaker 2: the Union is therefore political. Hey, just really quickly. I

2098
01:38:10,360 --> 01:38:13,599
Speaker 2: shouldn't enjoy this, but I did. The White House Press

2099
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:16,880
Speaker 2: Secretary Caroline Levitt is copying it from some quarters because

2100
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:18,800
Speaker 2: she gave a smart ass response to a journal on

2101
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:22,240
Speaker 2: text messages. The journo is from the Huffington Post, and

2102
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:24,760
Speaker 2: he texted her to ask why Trump had chosen Budapest

2103
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:27,559
Speaker 2: for his upcoming meeting with Vladimir Putin. He said, is

2104
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:30,639
Speaker 2: the president aware of the significance of Budapest? Question mark?

2105
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:33,400
Speaker 2: Does he not see why Ukraine might object to that site?

2106
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:37,559
Speaker 2: Question mark? Question mark? Who suggested Budapest? Question mark? And

2107
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 2: she responded, your mom did then? And he's not happy?

2108
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:47,679
Speaker 2: He said, He said something like do you find that funny? Well, incidentally, yes,

2109
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:49,599
Speaker 2: I do. I do find that funny. Do you find

2110
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:49,960
Speaker 2: that funny?

2111
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:50,360
Speaker 15: Answer?

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01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:52,880
Speaker 9: I do. It is still dodging a question, though, isn't it.

2113
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:54,800
Speaker 9: So I think she kind of answered the question there

2114
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:56,920
Speaker 9: and that we do know who was who suggested it now.

2115
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:00,960
Speaker 9: But if you're going to dodge question, and I feel

2116
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 9: like you can at least be funny while you do.

2117
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Speaker 2: And there is a history. He's a troll to her,

2118
01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:06,519
Speaker 2: so she's had a guts full of him. Basically bove

2119
01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:08,000
Speaker 2: the sounds. I thinks. Anyway, what have you got it?

2120
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Speaker 9: Back in My Arms by Hory Shorter players out to Night.

2121
01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:12,320
Speaker 9: You said earlier you hadn't heard of some of the

2122
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:14,759
Speaker 9: people who were playing on the Sweet Home Altauto Festival

2123
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:16,400
Speaker 9: that's Sexty's putting on. So I was like, oh, here

2124
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:18,920
Speaker 9: we go, we can educate everybody. Back in My Arms

2125
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:20,960
Speaker 9: by Hoory Shaw. He's from a Portuguy. He's like a

2126
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:23,080
Speaker 9: reggae artist, so more on the root side of things

2127
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:25,360
Speaker 9: than the country side of things. The festival will be

2128
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:29,120
Speaker 9: happening in Matta, Khana on Saturday, January the third next year.

2129
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:32,760
Speaker 9: Tickets go on sale next Tuesday as well. As him Horri.

2130
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:35,400
Speaker 9: There will be six sixty yellow Wolf, Tash Sultana, Tammy

2131
01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:38,200
Speaker 9: Nielsen play at Bradcock South Summit and a few others.

2132
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Speaker 2: I mean it's going to be a good time.

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Speaker 16: Maye.

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Speaker 9: Oh, I'm just so happy that were announcing. Get another festival.

2135
01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 9: I know you get another event over the summer. There's

2136
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:45,479
Speaker 9: loads going on, something for you.

2137
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Speaker 2: Whatever.

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01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:46,599
Speaker 9: It is great.

2139
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:49,479
Speaker 2: If there is a man with like those giant glasses

2140
01:39:49,479 --> 01:39:51,200
Speaker 2: and a fake nose, it's Mike.

2141
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:53,559
Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, that's Mike. Lookout for him for you.

2142
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 2: He's like, Oh, it's a country festival in my home place. Anyway,

2143
01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:59,799
Speaker 2: I will see you tomorrow. Enjoy your evening, look after yourself.

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Speaker 10: Nother This gets is so far.

2145
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:08,679
Speaker 30: Oh, keep selling it to you. Tube back in my eyes.

2146
01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:15,519
Speaker 30: I'll be sealing to like you. Tube backon my ear.

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