1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Right, as we have been talking about Darling, Tana has 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: resigned from the Green Party but will stay as an 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: MP for now. The Greens have asked that she resigned 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: from parliament all together, but Tana is yet to respond 5 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: to that request. A report into allegations of migrant exploitation 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: at Tana's husband's e bike company was handed to the 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: party on Friday night, but neither the report or a 8 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: summary have been released. Chloe's Warbrook is the Green Party 9 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: co leader and she joins me, Now, Hi Calder, why 10 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: can't you say what's in the report? 11 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 2: So, just to be crystal clear, our preference mine and 12 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: Matama's and our caucuses is for immediate release of that report, 13 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: but we have to continue to follow good practice in 14 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: privacy rights and law to that effect. It's basically about 15 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 2: consulting with all of the named parties here. We're not 16 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 2: just talking about Darling, but those who are involved and 17 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 2: you know, making those allegations in other ways. So for 18 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: sake of clarity as well, we as of this morning, 19 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 2: have contacted all parties named in the executive summary of 20 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: expediency in releasing that as practically possible. 21 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: Is Darlne Tana taking legal action against you or the 22 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: party to prevent publication of the report. 23 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 2: I am not aware of that at this point in time. 24 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 2: We have gone out for consultation and obviously asked for 25 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: her to feed back to us with regard to the 26 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 2: release of that report. 27 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: Chloe, how bad was the conduct that was detailed on 28 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: the report? 29 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 2: Frankly, it was bad. It was bad to the extent 30 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: that myself from Adama have come to the conclusion that 31 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: this wasn't a one off instance, but multiple events over 32 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: several years, and more so than that that it is 33 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: our very strong view that she misled us as co leaders, 34 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: which could have curtailed the need for this independent expert 35 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 2: investigation in the first place. The severity of that is 36 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: of course reflected in us taking that kind of unprecedented 37 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: steps so far as the Greens, to my understanding of 38 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: not taken this step in the past to recommend or 39 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: to make that recommendation to our caucus that we request 40 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: her resignation as a member of parliament in entirety. 41 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: You mentioned that she went against the values of the 42 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: Green Party. What values in particular are you talking about? 43 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 2: So look at the stand up today. Obviously myself town 44 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 2: we all know is Altamartha waker Martin and PACIFICA Caucus 45 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: chair and Ricardo men Indre's march, who is not only 46 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 2: our musterer but also our immigration spokesperson, spoke to our 47 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: values and our proud track record of advocating for people 48 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 2: in planet, but specifically for workers and for migrant workers' rights. 49 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: You know, there's plenty that is out there in the 50 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: public arena, and I cannot comment on the content specifically 51 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: of the report, but what I can say is that effectively, 52 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,679 Speaker 2: her behavior and her actions and her inability to acknowledge 53 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 2: that behavior but also take accountability for it is in 54 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 2: stark contrast to the expectations that we have not only 55 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: of Green MP's but of any member of Parliament. 56 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: Does Darlene accept the findings of the report? 57 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 2: Honestly, Francisca, this is something which I would really encourage 58 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 2: you to put to Darlinge. At this point in time, 59 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 2: it's honestly not quite clear what her position, view or 60 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 2: otherwise is. We've made it clear what it is that 61 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 2: we believe has to happen here, which is for her 62 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: to resign so that we are all able to move forward. 63 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: And that would be my plea. You know, if she 64 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 2: still has any vestige of belief and upholding the Green 65 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: Party copopper, but also our foundational belief that no one 66 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 2: person is bigger than the things that we're all fighting for, 67 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: then the best way to bring about an end to 68 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 2: all of this and to minimize harm and any collateral 69 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: damage is to resign as a member of Parliament. 70 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: So, Chloe, if she doesn't resign from parliament, will you 71 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: try and force this by invoking the Walker jumping law. 72 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: So this is not a discussion that we've yet had 73 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: with our caucus or with our party, as was well 74 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: chemist at the stand up today. Of course, we have 75 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: a long track record of opposing legislation as well. So 76 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: that's why it's important that everybody knows that right now 77 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 2: this ball sits in Darlene's court and we would expect 78 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: that the same level of scrutiny that has been applied 79 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: to the Greens as this investigation has been underway, that 80 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: there is due scrutiny now on Darlene Tana and her position. 81 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: But if her behavior is as bad as you say 82 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: it has, would you consider doing that again? 83 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: What I'm saying to you right now is that we 84 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: have not made a decision on what happens if Darlene 85 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: does not come back to us and accept our request 86 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 2: for her resignation. So yes, absolutely, Look, I am not 87 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: in a position to all things and arout at the moment. 88 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: The Greens very proudly make decisions in a collective basis. 89 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: So where darline to put us in a position where 90 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 2: she was not to resign as a member of Parliament, 91 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 2: then of course we would have to go back to 92 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 2: having some form of discussion about what comes next. I'm 93 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 2: telling you that we haven't yet investigated that, thank you. 94 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: Darlene is a listing piece. She got less than three 95 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: thousand votes. She doesn't have the public backing to be 96 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: an independent. Surely you have to force this issue. 97 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, And look, the reality is politically, legislatively or otherwise. 98 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 2: This is really now a matter not only for the 99 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: Green Party but also for due public scrutiny. As we've 100 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 2: said from the outset, we spent a lot of time 101 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: myself and Madama as co leaders, protecting the integrity and 102 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: the natural justice of this independent expert inquiry such that 103 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 2: we could have robust, evidential findings that didn't have any 104 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 2: polase finger on the scale, so that we could come 105 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 2: to very clear decisions on what needed to happen next 106 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 2: without kind of anybody, as I said before, putting their 107 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,119 Speaker 2: fingers on the scale to that effect. Into your question 108 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: is to whether she has the public mandate to stay on. Look, 109 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: she was as she was elected, rather as you say, 110 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: as a Green List MP. All of our List MPs 111 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: are elected on the basis of our principles and our values, 112 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 2: and thousands of Green volunteers across the country mobilized to 113 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 2: end up getting over three hundred thousand New Zealanders to 114 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 2: put their face, their trust and their confidence and in 115 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: us past election, and we are very clear that dulln 116 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: Punner's actions and our very strong view has breached all 117 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 2: of those things. 118 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: Finally, Chloe, is there anything in this report that would 119 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: make you consider going to the police. 120 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 2: No, there's nothing in the report that would currently make 121 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: me consider going to police. Know but also as I 122 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 2: said at the stand up, look, we remain open and 123 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 2: willing to engage with whomever, you know, whatever is needed 124 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: in terms of getting justice in this out in this process. 125 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: That was Choe Swarbrick there, the co leader of the 126 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: Green Party, and we have just received a statement from 127 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: Darlene Taner. I can confirm that I received a copy 128 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: of the final report on Saturday morning and attended a 129 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 1: caucus meeting that day where it was discussed. I do 130 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: not feel that natural justice has been followed during this process, 131 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: and it's Saturday's Huy. It seemed clear that a predetermined 132 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: view has been formed prior to hearing from me. I 133 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: can confirm, as indicated during today's conference with the Green 134 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: Party leadership, that I have subsequently resigned as a member 135 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,679 Speaker 1: of the Green Party. I'm reading you that the press 136 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: release a statement which has just been released from Darling Tana. 137 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: She continues, I want to make it clear that I 138 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: do not accept the findings of the report and believe 139 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: that it substantially misrepresents the level of my involvement in 140 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: my husband's business. This was an investigation into what I 141 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: knew and should have disclosed to my party leadership. I'm 142 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: therefore deeply concerned by the party's summary of the findings. 143 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: The report does not say that migrant exploitation has occurred, 144 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: let alone that I am responsible for it in any capacity. 145 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: I have only a short time to consider this report 146 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: and am taking some time to consider it before making 147 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: any further comment so that has just been released. That 148 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: is the statement from Darlene Tana. 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