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Speaker 1: Big names, the big issues, the big controversies and the

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Speaker 1: big conversations. It's all on Weekend Sport with Jason Vine

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Speaker 3: To good afternoon and welcome into Weekend Sport on News

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Speaker 3: Talks EDB. For Sunday, June twenty two, we have our

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Speaker 3: Super Rugby champions for twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Post posts and the Crusaders have done.

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Speaker 5: The redemption is to plate the world spinnish sine the

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Speaker 5: Crusaders return to poker.

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Speaker 6: What the final sixteen points to twelve.

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Speaker 3: High emotion in christ Church last night as the Crusader

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Speaker 3: put twenty twenty four in the rear view mirror and

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Speaker 3: bid farewell to their home of the last thirteen years,

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Speaker 3: with their unbeaten finals record intact at thirty two and

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Speaker 3: oh thirty two and oh, I've got a bunch of

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Speaker 3: audio to play for you, some of it from the

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Speaker 3: winning changing sheds which we were allowed access to for

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Speaker 3: a short period last night. Pretty raucous in there. I

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Speaker 3: spoke after the game with Scott Barrett with David Havili,

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Speaker 3: with Rob Penny, with Colin Mansbridge. But we're going to

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Speaker 3: open the lines immediately for your reaction to last night.

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Speaker 3: I really want your takeaways on what you saw, what

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Speaker 3: stood out. I've got a few thoughts I'm sure you

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Speaker 3: will as well. Lines open immediately on eight hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty after one, I'm going to turn our

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Speaker 3: attention to the all black squad to be named tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Liam Napier, senior rugby writer with the New Zealand Herald.

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Speaker 3: We'll make some predictions about the squad and who may

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Speaker 3: or may not be in it. Your thoughts on this

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Speaker 3: are welcome too. That's after one other matters around today.

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Speaker 3: Peter Berling is off to Lunar Rossa. How much does

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Speaker 3: this boost their chances of winning the next America's Cup.

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Speaker 3: Professor Mark Worham's on that. After two, Paul Gallon's on

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Speaker 3: the show ahead of his fight with Sonny Bill Williams

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Speaker 3: next month. And this morning I had a tour of

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Speaker 3: the soon to be completed Teca Stadium. More on that

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Speaker 3: after two as well. James mcconey. As usual on a Sunday,

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Speaker 3: lines of communication are open as always as mentioned A

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Speaker 3: on the phones nine two nine to two for your

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Speaker 3: text messages emails into Jason at newstalkseedb dot co dot nz.

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Speaker 3: It is nine past midday.

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Speaker 1: When it's down to the line. You made a call

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Speaker 6: Over the twenty two. Here go to the Crusaders today.

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Speaker 5: Go Tony Taylor, Dody Taylor, Doy Taylor, Taylor to time he.

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Speaker 3: your text. As I say, a few postmatch interviews to

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Speaker 3: But you forget how much Crusaders fans love the Crusaders

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Speaker 3: He might not see it in that way. In fact,

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Speaker 3: The storylines last night might have been the continuation of

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Speaker 3: won't call it redemption, but that's exactly exactly what it was.

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Speaker 3: Scott Barrett was in the celebrations last night, although I

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Speaker 10: I guess, sort of saying a moment early usually pleased

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Speaker 3: So yeah, the emotion of leaving Eddington, I suppose you

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Speaker 2: Where I've played all my Crusaders.

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Speaker 10: for me, a second home, you know, Like it's huge

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Speaker 3: Yeah, A word just being used as redemption. Did you

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Speaker 10: I think we was probably a fitting final, to be honest.

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Speaker 6: Genuine attitude shift.

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Speaker 10: And yet it's huge, just hugely proud of how we

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Speaker 10: turned this season into you know, a very successful one.

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Speaker 3: Just oh, would have age? It never becomes commonplace, does it?

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Speaker 3: This winning? So Rugby ever get ever? Get old?

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Speaker 10: I know, you just don't know when your last final

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Speaker 10: You're gonna put everything into it, and you know you've gotta.

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Speaker 3: Hope you can hear him? Okay, yeah, very content, I

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Speaker 3: must say, Scott Barrett, with a rather large gash above

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Speaker 3: was certainly a moment. Right, Let's get back to the lines. Ben,

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm still okay trying now Ben, third time, lucky mate.

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Speaker 3: We finally got your Thanks mate, kissing one to three,

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Speaker 3: got your Ben, got your Benny.

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Speaker 8: How are you?

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Speaker 9: Man?

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Speaker 8: What a very good game? What a night?

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Speaker 8: Just awesome, Katie Taylor, you know we're going to starting there.

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Speaker 8: I got I'm a Crusader's supporter, through and through. I

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Speaker 8: put my money on the Chiefs. Wow. Just just awesome

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Speaker 8: to see. I'm a joiner right, and and joinery and

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Speaker 8: new All Post and Newell Fletcher, Newell as a as

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Speaker 8: a cornerstone for said of Steers. It holds up, it

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Speaker 8: holds up all the pretty bits, you know. Without the

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Speaker 8: Newell Post, your lovely staircase falls down. And didn't he just.

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Speaker 3: Turn up eighty minutes from Fletchanyl eighty minutes last night?

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Speaker 3: And as I understand it, as I understand it, Ben,

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Speaker 4: Hid the rain from the South Island. What a gutsy

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Speaker 3: Three great words. Good on you, Lorraine, though well you

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Speaker 1: Voice of Sport on your Home of Sport Weekend Sport

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Speaker 3: V twelve twenty seven. Bax of the line shortly. I

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Speaker 3: had a quick chat to David Havilli in a rather

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Speaker 16: A long time, I think, Man, it was a huge effort, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: How much emotion was wrapped around this week and tonight

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Speaker 16: It was yeah, a lot of news, a lot of

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Speaker 3: Did you feel as a playing group like you I

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Speaker 17: It was pretty special.

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Speaker 3: How were your emotions when you had to come off

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was all over the show.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 3: Gary says Piney, who was responsible for the champions caps

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Speaker 3: I saw that I saw these Boks with these capsule

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Speaker 11: Yeah, pinally. Now, I watched the game as a neutral

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Speaker 3: Well, Grant. The other thing about that was, you know,

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Speaker 3: But no, you're right to point out, I mean, we

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Speaker 11: Yeah, well, you know, I just have finally, and I'll

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Speaker 3: On you, grant. It was good to gen to you, mate.

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Speaker 19: Scorned Chiefs fan because what's worse than three final losses

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how are they going to get over this hunt?

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Speaker 3: You know, Clay McMillin even said last night maybe it's me.

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Speaker 19: Better winning record over the Crusaders? I think it's now

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Speaker 3: It's hits.

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Speaker 15: The hit record is better.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but look, it is what it is.

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Speaker 19: Look, can I just put another spin on this, mate,

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Speaker 19: congratulate the Chiefs for another series three mess series win

433
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Speaker 19: against the Crusaders, like in twenty twenty three. This year,

434
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Speaker 19: the Chiefs won the series two to one with the

435
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Speaker 19: third game of Dead Rubber. In twenty twenty five, they

436
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Speaker 19: beat the Sades forty nine to twenty five in Game

437
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Speaker 19: two thirty five nineteen, and the last night's Dead Rubber

438
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Speaker 19: they lost twelve to sixteen again to the Chiefs for

439
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Speaker 19: outscoring the Crusaders hit to hit and fries at all

440
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Speaker 19: three games.

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Speaker 15: And that's been mentioned.

442
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Speaker 19: But the Crusaders are like the spring Box in the

443
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Speaker 19: twenty three World Cup final. Like the Popes, they consider

444
00:23:06,587 --> 00:23:09,747
Speaker 19: tries to the opposition. Ye's still won. And this is

445
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Speaker 19: the question I want to throw out to your pinting.

446
00:23:12,147 --> 00:23:15,027
Speaker 19: If it were crickets, you can't win conceding more runs

447
00:23:15,347 --> 00:23:18,107
Speaker 19: unless it's a rain effected reduced over game. If it

448
00:23:18,147 --> 00:23:21,867
Speaker 19: was football or soccer, you can't win conceding more goals.

449
00:23:22,187 --> 00:23:25,747
Speaker 12: Get In rugby we could win conceding more tries.

450
00:23:27,707 --> 00:23:31,427
Speaker 3: The beauty and the value of goalkicking, Dobbo, as you

451
00:23:31,547 --> 00:23:35,627
Speaker 3: well know the beauty and value of goalkicking the ball.

452
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Speaker 19: Being passed from half back through to the open side wing.

453
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Speaker 19: Pioney sadly now is very much a.

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Speaker 12: Loss to heart.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, Dovo, Hey, great to check yours always, mate, you

456
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Speaker 3: always put a different spin on things. I love it, mate,

457
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Speaker 3: Thanks indeed, Poney Gullet, as a Chiefs fan, says Tom.

458
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Speaker 3: Credit to the Crusaders. They played well, executed a solid

459
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Speaker 3: game plan. The ref was fantastic, but one point thing

460
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Speaker 3: one thing no one's mentioned was how cruel the bounce

461
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Speaker 3: of the ball was for the Chiefs. That is Rugby.

462
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Speaker 3: Good on your Tom, Tom runs the myth of Damien

463
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Speaker 3: McKenzie socially counts, which are hugely popular.

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Speaker 14: Tom.

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Speaker 3: Great to hear from you, made and yeah, it would

466
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Speaker 3: have been a tough night for you, A very very

467
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Speaker 3: tough night for you. Indeed.

468
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Speaker 17: Hello, Phil, Hey Bryany, how are you.

469
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Speaker 3: Great to meet you in person yesterday at rock Pool? Phil.

470
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Speaker 3: I appreciate you taking the chance to come down and

471
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Speaker 3: say Gooday, I'm sorry I couldn't hang around for a

472
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Speaker 3: bit longer.

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Speaker 20: No, that's all right, I understand it. Yeah, it would

474
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Speaker 20: it be nice to be able to have a good

475
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Speaker 20: old decent natter with you and throw a couple down,

476
00:24:36,347 --> 00:24:38,547
Speaker 20: but they were even just have a good old natter.

477
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Speaker 20: But yeah, it was great meeting you too. I felt

478
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Speaker 20: very small though I didn't realize you were about six.

479
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Speaker 3: Four only in stature, Phil, You shouldn't feel small in

480
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Speaker 3: any other way other than stature. Now, what did you

481
00:24:55,067 --> 00:24:57,107
Speaker 3: take away from last night? What are the main things

482
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Speaker 3: that are the front of your mind this morning.

483
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Speaker 20: Well, I'll try and get through them all if you

484
00:25:01,267 --> 00:25:02,787
Speaker 20: can bear with us for a bit. I'll try and

485
00:25:02,827 --> 00:25:04,427
Speaker 20: be as quick as I can and remember ever you

486
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Speaker 20: think for a start, just like to say about say, yeah,

487
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Speaker 20: I thought the referee in was good. I'm glad someone

488
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Speaker 20: brought that up because I thought after the game last night,

489
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Speaker 20: I had no problems with the ref and it was

490
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Speaker 20: a good I thought he had a good performance. No

491
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Speaker 20: controversial calls or anything decided like that, which always taints

492
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Speaker 20: a result, you know. And Damien, like you're saying about

493
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Speaker 20: Damien McKenzie, I can just sort of picture that a

494
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Speaker 20: very poignant moment and they're just sitting there listening and yeah,

495
00:25:32,107 --> 00:25:34,667
Speaker 20: reflecting and that and the disappointment. And I think the

496
00:25:34,787 --> 00:25:36,907
Speaker 20: coach might have been a rugby I think it was

497
00:25:36,907 --> 00:25:39,667
Speaker 20: the rugby league coach done the same thing where he

498
00:25:39,947 --> 00:25:43,227
Speaker 20: got his players to just listen to the next dressing room,

499
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Speaker 20: partying up his motivation for you know, to help win.

500
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Speaker 20: And I just can't remember WHI the team.

501
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Speaker 3: It was, but yeah, that was that was That was Clayton. No,

502
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Speaker 3: that was Clayton.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: One example of it that I was that I knew

505
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Speaker 3: of was Clayton McMillan. When the Chiefs lost of the

506
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Speaker 3: Hurricanes this year. Quintin part the next day on this

507
00:26:00,907 --> 00:26:03,667
Speaker 3: show said said Clayton made us turn our music off

508
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Speaker 3: and sit there in silence and listen to the hurricane

509
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Speaker 3: celebrate that.

510
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Speaker 11: Yeah, that was it.

511
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Speaker 13: Sorry, that was it.

512
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Speaker 20: That was like me going on to being a belt

513
00:26:12,027 --> 00:26:15,027
Speaker 20: known some of my cousins living and Gill and Feely

514
00:26:15,027 --> 00:26:16,667
Speaker 20: when they actually lived in Geraldine. He was trying to

515
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Speaker 20: figure who they were. But yeah, no, that was it.

516
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Speaker 17: And I've got a lot of respect. I gained a

517
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Speaker 17: lot of respect for also Rob Penny because I like

518
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Speaker 17: his humbleness and you know, when he's been interviewed Natty,

519
00:26:30,067 --> 00:26:31,867
Speaker 17: a couple of things that struck me as how he's

520
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Speaker 17: just say on how he was just thankful and thanking

521
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Speaker 17: the organization for sticking with him and giving him another chance,

522
00:26:38,427 --> 00:26:40,947
Speaker 17: you know, and like you say, when you looked at

523
00:26:40,987 --> 00:26:43,667
Speaker 17: him cell up in the box and you see him

524
00:26:43,667 --> 00:26:46,307
Speaker 17: just smile and give a wave and that, and yeah,

525
00:26:46,827 --> 00:26:48,667
Speaker 17: I think it says a lot about the man's character

526
00:26:48,947 --> 00:26:49,347
Speaker 17: that might be.

527
00:26:49,467 --> 00:26:52,987
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does. No fella does very humble, huge humility.

528
00:26:53,067 --> 00:26:55,587
Speaker 3: I think it goes across the coaching team. I got

529
00:26:55,627 --> 00:26:58,107
Speaker 3: a message from James Marshall this morning saying that Dan

530
00:26:58,227 --> 00:27:00,947
Speaker 3: Perrin had a coughing fit for the first half hour

531
00:27:00,987 --> 00:27:04,347
Speaker 3: of the game. Oh man, that would have been a

532
00:27:04,347 --> 00:27:05,107
Speaker 3: fun box to be in.

533
00:27:05,667 --> 00:27:12,267
Speaker 21: But hello, yeah, hi poney, Piney. Longtime Crusader supporters to

534
00:27:12,347 --> 00:27:15,107
Speaker 21: the point that I can't watch them live. I get

535
00:27:15,107 --> 00:27:15,907
Speaker 21: a heart attack.

536
00:27:16,907 --> 00:27:19,827
Speaker 3: But first of all, so when do you do? You

537
00:27:19,867 --> 00:27:21,427
Speaker 3: sort of like wait, wait for the guy to be

538
00:27:21,467 --> 00:27:22,387
Speaker 3: over and kick the score.

539
00:27:22,427 --> 00:27:25,987
Speaker 21: But I watch it on replay at quarters to nine,

540
00:27:26,027 --> 00:27:29,267
Speaker 21: I put the radio on and get the last five minutes.

541
00:27:29,867 --> 00:27:32,187
Speaker 21: And I would never listen to the Auckland match or

542
00:27:32,227 --> 00:27:39,107
Speaker 21: Bruce Matt last week anyway, Chief commiserations and congratulations. Best

543
00:27:39,107 --> 00:27:42,067
Speaker 21: team in the competition to score eighty points against Mona

544
00:27:42,147 --> 00:27:47,107
Speaker 21: Pacific is magnificent. But the zellin Sport's going to take

545
00:27:47,187 --> 00:27:49,947
Speaker 21: note from learning about Crusaders seven in a row eight

546
00:27:49,987 --> 00:27:54,107
Speaker 21: o nine thirty out of twenty seven wins and the

547
00:27:54,147 --> 00:27:59,187
Speaker 21: hardest competition in the rugby world. There's something there and

548
00:27:59,227 --> 00:28:02,907
Speaker 21: what it is to you is Piney. I mean, they

549
00:28:02,987 --> 00:28:05,387
Speaker 21: beat the Brumbies food in twelve and camebra.

550
00:28:05,187 --> 00:28:07,787
Speaker 15: Ten years ago, just two years ago.

551
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Speaker 21: They're not the best thing, but they win. To me,

552
00:28:11,947 --> 00:28:16,027
Speaker 21: the summary is this, listen to Rob Penney's last sentence

553
00:28:16,187 --> 00:28:20,467
Speaker 21: in the interview, and it tells you everything about contabbions.

554
00:28:23,347 --> 00:28:27,507
Speaker 21: What was the line, uh hit tanga da hit tanga

555
00:28:27,587 --> 00:28:28,387
Speaker 21: da hit tangad.

556
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Speaker 3: It is the people, It is the people, It is

557
00:28:32,427 --> 00:28:35,387
Speaker 3: the people. Good on your book, appreciate your call. Twenty

558
00:28:35,387 --> 00:28:42,267
Speaker 3: two away from one. Let's squeeze one more and Graham, mate,

559
00:28:42,427 --> 00:28:43,427
Speaker 3: how are you feeling.

560
00:28:44,067 --> 00:28:47,587
Speaker 18: Great off over the moon? Jason, Yeah, Graham?

561
00:28:47,627 --> 00:28:50,507
Speaker 3: Can I say? Can I say, Graham? Can I say

562
00:28:50,507 --> 00:28:51,867
Speaker 3: before you carry on? Because I want to hear what

563
00:28:51,867 --> 00:28:55,027
Speaker 3: you've got to say. I absolutely loved being in your

564
00:28:55,027 --> 00:28:58,507
Speaker 3: house last night, not your physical house, but your spiritual house.

565
00:28:58,867 --> 00:29:01,507
Speaker 3: I look, as you know, I'm a Hurricanes fan. I

566
00:29:01,547 --> 00:29:04,147
Speaker 3: had no skin in the game I was. I just

567
00:29:04,547 --> 00:29:06,307
Speaker 3: loved the occasion there last night.

568
00:29:06,387 --> 00:29:11,187
Speaker 18: Anyway, over the year, it was pretty special. And I

569
00:29:11,267 --> 00:29:13,067
Speaker 18: play I didn't get in to see you that I

570
00:29:13,107 --> 00:29:15,187
Speaker 18: read out of time, but you know it was an

571
00:29:15,227 --> 00:29:19,987
Speaker 18: amazing atmosphere and that it was an inspirational performance. That's

572
00:29:19,867 --> 00:29:22,827
Speaker 18: a that's a damn good Chiefs team, as we know.

573
00:29:22,907 --> 00:29:25,587
Speaker 18: And I just think that for Rob Penny, I mean,

574
00:29:25,947 --> 00:29:29,907
Speaker 18: the last caller set up brilliantly. I'm so very pleased

575
00:29:29,947 --> 00:29:32,547
Speaker 18: for harm and I'm pleased for you know. But I

576
00:29:32,547 --> 00:29:35,507
Speaker 18: think Brad Moore and Ryan Croddy coming in joining Matt

577
00:29:35,507 --> 00:29:38,667
Speaker 18: Toys and James Marshall, you know, and Dan Perrin was

578
00:29:38,747 --> 00:29:43,787
Speaker 18: coughing foot. They're really good blokes. Yeah, been very good

579
00:29:43,787 --> 00:29:46,587
Speaker 18: to me and and the team's great. And I just thought,

580
00:29:46,587 --> 00:29:47,547
Speaker 18: do you think he'll come back?

581
00:29:47,707 --> 00:29:49,987
Speaker 3: Graham? Do you think he'll come back? Rob Penny, I'm

582
00:29:49,987 --> 00:29:51,907
Speaker 3: not sure. If you heard, I shall play to you

583
00:29:51,947 --> 00:29:53,947
Speaker 3: while you're While you're here, He was asked last night

584
00:29:53,987 --> 00:29:55,747
Speaker 3: about whether he was going to come back next year.

585
00:29:55,787 --> 00:29:58,707
Speaker 3: The person asking the questions is a bit quieter in

586
00:29:58,747 --> 00:29:59,987
Speaker 3: the background, but I think you'll be abut to hear

587
00:30:00,027 --> 00:30:00,227
Speaker 3: it here.

588
00:30:00,227 --> 00:30:00,467
Speaker 14: It is.

589
00:30:00,667 --> 00:30:02,387
Speaker 8: Yep, that's the title.

590
00:30:03,587 --> 00:30:04,467
Speaker 2: I'm not sure yet.

591
00:30:05,267 --> 00:30:07,507
Speaker 3: Would you like to not sure yet?

592
00:30:08,027 --> 00:30:08,707
Speaker 2: Telling of your thing?

593
00:30:08,747 --> 00:30:10,307
Speaker 13: You want to sort of let the dust set all

594
00:30:10,387 --> 00:30:12,107
Speaker 13: and before you start thinking about that run.

595
00:30:14,627 --> 00:30:15,627
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure yet.

596
00:30:15,867 --> 00:30:18,547
Speaker 3: So I'm not sure yet. What what is your gut

597
00:30:18,587 --> 00:30:20,107
Speaker 3: for your Graham? Do you think he'll come back?

598
00:30:21,387 --> 00:30:24,027
Speaker 18: I actually I'm not. I hate to quote him, but

599
00:30:24,307 --> 00:30:27,987
Speaker 18: I'm not sure. Without using the weird yet not sure yet,

600
00:30:28,867 --> 00:30:31,987
Speaker 18: I'm not. I wouldn't I think it could go either way.

601
00:30:33,547 --> 00:30:36,387
Speaker 18: You know, initially it was a short term, two year

602
00:30:36,507 --> 00:30:40,787
Speaker 18: I think appointment and obviously that you know after last year,

603
00:30:42,067 --> 00:30:44,467
Speaker 18: you know it was you know, they copped a lot

604
00:30:44,547 --> 00:30:48,067
Speaker 18: and you know most and the team's bounced back and

605
00:30:48,147 --> 00:30:51,867
Speaker 18: he's got the victory at Super Rugby. So when they

606
00:30:52,227 --> 00:30:55,147
Speaker 18: you know, there's someone else put in place, because these

607
00:30:55,147 --> 00:30:59,187
Speaker 18: other guys, you know, like James Marshall and that are

608
00:30:59,227 --> 00:31:03,347
Speaker 18: really developing and so it'll be fifty fifty. I honestly

609
00:31:03,347 --> 00:31:08,667
Speaker 18: believe them. Yeah, but yeah we didn't James, James Connor,

610
00:31:09,147 --> 00:31:11,707
Speaker 18: seem Morphy, that lovely, lovely little cameo over and the

611
00:31:11,747 --> 00:31:14,147
Speaker 18: little rivers Rahana was.

612
00:31:14,227 --> 00:31:16,747
Speaker 3: Really brilliant, tremendous.

613
00:31:16,867 --> 00:31:17,787
Speaker 2: Yeah, just really good.

614
00:31:17,827 --> 00:31:19,827
Speaker 3: And I was pleased to see James I kind of

615
00:31:19,867 --> 00:31:21,307
Speaker 3: get on because he was waiting down there in the

616
00:31:21,427 --> 00:31:23,827
Speaker 3: in the twenty two Jersey for ages. I thought he

617
00:31:23,867 --> 00:31:25,427
Speaker 3: thought was he going to get on? Got on about

618
00:31:25,467 --> 00:31:27,027
Speaker 3: the seventy ninth had he just I had that nice

619
00:31:27,027 --> 00:31:29,427
Speaker 3: little run so got his Yeah, got his hands on

620
00:31:29,467 --> 00:31:30,867
Speaker 3: the ball and a nice little break.

621
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Speaker 9: Yeah.

622
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Speaker 3: Look, Graham, I was, like I said, I was just

623
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Speaker 3: it was just almost an honor to be there last night,

624
00:31:37,587 --> 00:31:41,107
Speaker 3: just to experience the love that Cantabrians have for the

625
00:31:41,147 --> 00:31:45,467
Speaker 3: Crusaders and all the emotion that was wrapped up in it. Yes,

626
00:31:45,587 --> 00:31:48,507
Speaker 3: the Chiefs have had their you know, roller coaster as well,

627
00:31:48,667 --> 00:31:51,147
Speaker 3: and there would have been high emotion had they been

628
00:31:51,147 --> 00:31:53,827
Speaker 3: able to see Clayton mcmillanoff as a winner, and Shawn

629
00:31:53,867 --> 00:31:57,107
Speaker 3: Stevenson and anybody else who doesn't come back. But as

630
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Speaker 3: I said at the top of the show, you forget

631
00:32:00,067 --> 00:32:04,707
Speaker 3: or in fact, you don't realize how much Crusaders fans

632
00:32:06,107 --> 00:32:08,627
Speaker 3: love the Crusaders until you get the chance to be

633
00:32:08,827 --> 00:32:15,387
Speaker 3: at a game. The support is unprecedented. I think in

634
00:32:15,467 --> 00:32:18,387
Speaker 3: this country, you know, we're we all think we're fans

635
00:32:18,387 --> 00:32:21,627
Speaker 3: of our teams, and we are, but it hits different

636
00:32:21,667 --> 00:32:25,507
Speaker 3: down here. I can tell you that eighteen away from one,

637
00:32:25,667 --> 00:32:27,827
Speaker 3: we've got we've got a spear line for the first

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00:32:27,867 --> 00:32:29,627
Speaker 3: time this hour, oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

639
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Speaker 3: texta flying and I'll get to a few of those

640
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Speaker 3: and some more audio from after the game last night

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Speaker 3: when we come back weekend Sport on News talksb back

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Speaker 13: I right.

650
00:32:55,347 --> 00:32:58,987
Speaker 6: Stevid said, oh it's close, he's over.

651
00:32:59,387 --> 00:32:59,587
Speaker 11: Yeah.

652
00:32:59,587 --> 00:33:02,867
Speaker 3: Sewan Stevenson with a try that closed things up, but

653
00:33:03,467 --> 00:33:06,187
Speaker 3: not enough for the Chiefs to get the job done.

654
00:33:06,467 --> 00:33:08,027
Speaker 3: Last night, marrislo mate.

655
00:33:08,787 --> 00:33:12,587
Speaker 14: Yeah, mate, he ain't look there. But I've got a

656
00:33:12,667 --> 00:33:14,747
Speaker 14: free injuries of make Ke's Spain, and I explained to

657
00:33:14,827 --> 00:33:17,427
Speaker 14: her why they were going to win. And I've said

658
00:33:17,467 --> 00:33:19,427
Speaker 14: one thing. The Crusader did really well. The seat piece,

659
00:33:19,507 --> 00:33:22,147
Speaker 14: especially the last twenty minutes was superb. And I thought

660
00:33:22,187 --> 00:33:25,587
Speaker 14: they did the basics very, very true well. And they

661
00:33:25,787 --> 00:33:28,027
Speaker 14: like made a comparison to her, I said, He said,

662
00:33:28,107 --> 00:33:29,667
Speaker 14: why is it that we've lost three in a row?

663
00:33:30,587 --> 00:33:32,587
Speaker 14: I said, there was a horse called Secret Tarret when

664
00:33:32,587 --> 00:33:34,467
Speaker 14: the horse had got sick and three and the triple

665
00:33:34,507 --> 00:33:37,427
Speaker 14: Crown was called game. I said, comparing them to that,

666
00:33:37,547 --> 00:33:38,627
Speaker 14: which is not quite good enough.

667
00:33:39,707 --> 00:33:41,587
Speaker 3: I think they are good enough, Marris. I think they

668
00:33:41,627 --> 00:33:44,427
Speaker 3: are good enough. To win a final. They're clearly good

669
00:33:44,507 --> 00:33:47,227
Speaker 3: enough to win a regular season, and they're clearly good

670
00:33:47,307 --> 00:33:49,707
Speaker 3: enough to win knockout games because they have done. Although

671
00:33:49,747 --> 00:33:51,267
Speaker 3: they did lose to the Blues two weeks ago, and

672
00:33:51,627 --> 00:33:54,307
Speaker 3: how much that played into it not sure, but I

673
00:33:54,867 --> 00:33:57,547
Speaker 3: just think it's just moments. They're clearly a good enough

674
00:33:57,627 --> 00:34:00,707
Speaker 3: team to win a Super Rugby Grand Final, but they

675
00:34:00,747 --> 00:34:02,387
Speaker 3: haven't won a Super Rugby Grand Final.

676
00:34:03,707 --> 00:34:06,187
Speaker 14: They look at this right in those big games like

677
00:34:06,347 --> 00:34:09,027
Speaker 14: eyes got that pitch and you're he just stepped up mentally,

678
00:34:09,747 --> 00:34:14,307
Speaker 14: and those Crusaders lived them in points and they so

679
00:34:14,507 --> 00:34:16,587
Speaker 14: did thrue quality and they just have their beility and

680
00:34:16,667 --> 00:34:19,427
Speaker 14: I honestly no no disrestricting the Chiefs, but I just

681
00:34:19,507 --> 00:34:21,347
Speaker 14: think some of those guys you who haven't quite made

682
00:34:21,387 --> 00:34:23,907
Speaker 14: in the all bricks because I just not don't have

683
00:34:24,027 --> 00:34:27,947
Speaker 14: that expector money just to go that extra and do that.

684
00:34:28,187 --> 00:34:30,707
Speaker 14: It's a little bit and then sometimes you look at it.

685
00:34:30,787 --> 00:34:32,707
Speaker 14: But they've got the passion, they've got the culture, they've

686
00:34:32,707 --> 00:34:35,187
Speaker 14: got supporters, have got everything you want. But you know,

687
00:34:35,227 --> 00:34:36,507
Speaker 14: you've got to look at it. In three years in

688
00:34:36,547 --> 00:34:38,627
Speaker 14: a row, not to win one or four years out

689
00:34:38,667 --> 00:34:41,987
Speaker 14: of five, is you got to sit there and say, hey,

690
00:34:42,067 --> 00:34:45,347
Speaker 14: you know, in no respective any of them, and I

691
00:34:45,427 --> 00:34:47,307
Speaker 14: think they're very well coached and they've got a very

692
00:34:47,307 --> 00:34:50,267
Speaker 14: good environment down there. But you know, sometimes you're just

693
00:34:50,427 --> 00:34:52,947
Speaker 14: not quite good enough. And if you look at it,

694
00:34:52,987 --> 00:34:55,307
Speaker 14: say Club Rugby and North Harbor, I think north Shore

695
00:34:55,387 --> 00:34:56,627
Speaker 14: is one up for so many years in a row.

696
00:34:56,947 --> 00:34:59,187
Speaker 14: We'll take a poodage just knocking on the door. Can't

697
00:34:59,267 --> 00:35:01,347
Speaker 14: quite get there, you know, And you sit there and say, well,

698
00:35:02,027 --> 00:35:04,027
Speaker 14: then you have to start looking at yourself after continued

699
00:35:04,107 --> 00:35:07,747
Speaker 14: time and you'll get better. But I heads off, but

700
00:35:07,867 --> 00:35:11,507
Speaker 14: I just hearius it's very hard to say this, but well, Eventary.

701
00:35:11,107 --> 00:35:15,067
Speaker 3: Said, it almost stuck in your throat. Morris, It almost

702
00:35:15,067 --> 00:35:16,587
Speaker 3: stuck in your throat, but I think you got it out.

703
00:35:17,187 --> 00:35:20,227
Speaker 2: Good on your mate, Hello, Roger, Hi Jason.

704
00:35:20,707 --> 00:35:22,867
Speaker 22: Kind of visualizing you at six foot four, and now

705
00:35:22,907 --> 00:35:24,427
Speaker 22: I have a whole new image of you.

706
00:35:25,107 --> 00:35:27,787
Speaker 3: People are always very I said to feel before. I

707
00:35:27,867 --> 00:35:30,267
Speaker 3: said to Phil yesterday Roger, when I met him, I said,

708
00:35:30,307 --> 00:35:33,507
Speaker 3: people are always very disappointed when they meet me. They

709
00:35:34,067 --> 00:35:37,307
Speaker 3: have this image and it is never delivered upon anyway.

710
00:35:37,507 --> 00:35:39,387
Speaker 3: I'm pleased that you now have a have some sort

711
00:35:39,427 --> 00:35:41,827
Speaker 3: of mental image of a six foot four person that

712
00:35:41,867 --> 00:35:42,387
Speaker 3: you're talking to.

713
00:35:42,707 --> 00:35:43,867
Speaker 13: That's right now.

714
00:35:44,307 --> 00:35:47,067
Speaker 22: What's been sort of kind of not mentioned much, but

715
00:35:47,307 --> 00:35:50,547
Speaker 22: as a cantabory, it's certainly really deep in air.

716
00:35:51,067 --> 00:35:53,027
Speaker 13: Solls down here, Craig and.

717
00:35:53,547 --> 00:35:56,667
Speaker 22: Playing in this temporary stadium which is crammed. I've been

718
00:35:56,707 --> 00:35:59,787
Speaker 22: to one when it's jammed Foren and it's just cramped,

719
00:35:59,827 --> 00:36:03,427
Speaker 22: and everyone's waiting for this fabulous new stadium. And so

720
00:36:03,627 --> 00:36:07,427
Speaker 22: the center for the Crusaders to just a title rather

721
00:36:07,467 --> 00:36:11,067
Speaker 22: than than play for a title was huge. They want

722
00:36:11,147 --> 00:36:14,067
Speaker 22: to be a defending champions in that brand new stadium,

723
00:36:14,627 --> 00:36:18,787
Speaker 22: and that's very very obvious to me and other friends

724
00:36:19,107 --> 00:36:21,467
Speaker 22: because they've been playing in this rush Bucket for ten

725
00:36:21,587 --> 00:36:24,987
Speaker 22: years or whatever. And have you seen in the stadium?

726
00:36:25,267 --> 00:36:25,827
Speaker 22: Are you going through?

727
00:36:25,907 --> 00:36:26,107
Speaker 18: Are you?

728
00:36:26,627 --> 00:36:26,907
Speaker 13: I went?

729
00:36:27,947 --> 00:36:31,067
Speaker 3: Oddly enough? I walked through it this morning, Roger, Yes,

730
00:36:31,387 --> 00:36:33,307
Speaker 3: a couple of hours ago I got I got the

731
00:36:33,387 --> 00:36:35,827
Speaker 3: chance to. And obviously there's still it's still you know,

732
00:36:35,947 --> 00:36:39,187
Speaker 3: nowhere near finished, but you can you can stand in

733
00:36:39,307 --> 00:36:42,547
Speaker 3: there and imagine what it'll be like. The roof is

734
00:36:42,627 --> 00:36:45,467
Speaker 3: pretty much on, and you know it's all it's it's

735
00:36:45,547 --> 00:36:49,307
Speaker 3: enclosed apart from at the northern end. And I'm telling you, Roger,

736
00:36:49,427 --> 00:36:51,107
Speaker 3: you will love it in there, You'll love it.

737
00:36:51,387 --> 00:36:51,547
Speaker 13: Well.

738
00:36:51,627 --> 00:36:54,827
Speaker 22: I live ten minutes walk from them alms, so I

739
00:36:54,827 --> 00:37:00,107
Speaker 22: don't worry. Yeah, yes, I cannot wait. And because I'm

740
00:37:00,307 --> 00:37:02,827
Speaker 22: converting my bed my garage into third bedroom which is.

741
00:37:03,067 --> 00:37:04,747
Speaker 15: My ron.

742
00:37:06,467 --> 00:37:08,027
Speaker 3: Funnily enough, and I was here there this morning. We

743
00:37:08,067 --> 00:37:10,387
Speaker 3: were saying all of the all of the residents around

744
00:37:10,387 --> 00:37:13,427
Speaker 3: there will be airb and being their houses out during

745
00:37:14,747 --> 00:37:16,307
Speaker 3: test weekends and making a killing.

746
00:37:18,547 --> 00:37:20,187
Speaker 22: No, I can't wait for it. That I think they've

747
00:37:20,187 --> 00:37:22,907
Speaker 22: earn't their stripe putting up that rush backet for ten

748
00:37:23,027 --> 00:37:26,027
Speaker 22: years or so, and boy they deserve this new stadium.

749
00:37:26,067 --> 00:37:28,347
Speaker 22: But that's anyway, So that's good out of the incentive.

750
00:37:28,907 --> 00:37:31,827
Speaker 3: Ye, good man, Roger, great thoughts, well mate, good to

751
00:37:31,907 --> 00:37:35,467
Speaker 3: chant to you, right, thanks indeed, sure? What Hello, Yeah,

752
00:37:35,507 --> 00:37:35,987
Speaker 3: good morning.

753
00:37:36,307 --> 00:37:39,467
Speaker 23: And all I can say is that you've been very

754
00:37:39,507 --> 00:37:43,307
Speaker 23: impressed by the situation in christ Church and all the

755
00:37:43,787 --> 00:37:47,067
Speaker 23: support that they get for will they give to their team,

756
00:37:47,107 --> 00:37:51,187
Speaker 23: the Crusaders. But just remember that you've got Tasman, You've

757
00:37:51,227 --> 00:37:54,627
Speaker 23: got Buller, You've got West Coast, you've got South Canterbury,

758
00:37:55,107 --> 00:37:59,067
Speaker 23: Mid Canterbury. That's the Crusaders area. And when you see

759
00:37:59,107 --> 00:38:04,947
Speaker 23: the likes of Dallas McLeod and Cullen Grace from other

760
00:38:05,067 --> 00:38:08,547
Speaker 23: parts of the Friends Shows area, just remember that this

761
00:38:08,787 --> 00:38:11,267
Speaker 23: is the this is the whole Crusaders lot, just not

762
00:38:11,827 --> 00:38:12,587
Speaker 23: just christ Church.

763
00:38:13,027 --> 00:38:16,307
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Sherwood. A great point, A great point. You're right.

764
00:38:16,387 --> 00:38:18,547
Speaker 3: And they always make a point of saying that they

765
00:38:18,547 --> 00:38:21,467
Speaker 3: are are greater than just christ Church. While this is

766
00:38:21,507 --> 00:38:24,547
Speaker 3: obviously their base, they are wider and you're right, you

767
00:38:24,627 --> 00:38:28,027
Speaker 3: know you look at yeah, likes of Noah Hotham, David HARVILLI,

768
00:38:28,067 --> 00:38:34,467
Speaker 3: both Tasman players, many others have have you know, have

769
00:38:34,547 --> 00:38:36,627
Speaker 3: come from outside of the christ Church region, while others

770
00:38:36,667 --> 00:38:39,827
Speaker 3: of course have been products of this city. But no,

771
00:38:39,907 --> 00:38:42,347
Speaker 3: it's a it's an excellent point you make everywhere from here.

772
00:38:42,347 --> 00:38:47,387
Speaker 3: Where does the Highlanders catchment start am presumably or tim Down?

773
00:38:48,147 --> 00:38:54,147
Speaker 3: Is that is that where the cutoffers the way Andy?

774
00:38:55,227 --> 00:38:56,987
Speaker 3: The White Tucky River is the cutoff?

775
00:38:57,107 --> 00:38:57,227
Speaker 13: Is it?

776
00:38:57,627 --> 00:39:00,467
Speaker 3: Okay? Good to know there you go the White Tucky River,

777
00:39:00,627 --> 00:39:03,467
Speaker 3: whether you said the Utucky River, it's just north of Wellington.

778
00:39:03,587 --> 00:39:04,747
Speaker 3: I'm sure that's not the cutoff.

779
00:39:04,787 --> 00:39:08,907
Speaker 24: Hello Greg, Yeah, Gay Piney, great to meet you yesterday.

780
00:39:08,907 --> 00:39:10,227
Speaker 25: And Greg and you.

781
00:39:10,427 --> 00:39:12,307
Speaker 3: Greg, Yeah, I loved love seeing you there at the

782
00:39:12,387 --> 00:39:14,227
Speaker 3: rock Pool holding up one end of the bar.

783
00:39:15,547 --> 00:39:17,467
Speaker 24: Well, I wasn't quite holding of that, but anyhow I

784
00:39:17,547 --> 00:39:20,307
Speaker 24: was trying. So I'm glad you enjoyed the occasion and

785
00:39:20,587 --> 00:39:23,227
Speaker 24: it was a great night, a great one. You know,

786
00:39:23,427 --> 00:39:25,387
Speaker 24: they did it. They're under a lot of pressure and

787
00:39:25,427 --> 00:39:28,747
Speaker 24: so it was Rob Penny and vindicated all the rubbishy

788
00:39:28,827 --> 00:39:31,147
Speaker 24: cop last year because you had big shoes to step

789
00:39:31,227 --> 00:39:33,747
Speaker 24: into and it was a good way to see in

790
00:39:33,787 --> 00:39:37,147
Speaker 24: the old stadium out Harry. As we talked about yesterday,

791
00:39:37,187 --> 00:39:39,547
Speaker 24: it might not be the case for some of the

792
00:39:39,667 --> 00:39:42,307
Speaker 24: early games because I'm not sure whomen new stadium officially

793
00:39:42,347 --> 00:39:46,227
Speaker 24: are actually opened, so we still might's your game at

794
00:39:46,267 --> 00:39:48,907
Speaker 24: the old place, but if not, it was a great

795
00:39:48,947 --> 00:39:50,627
Speaker 24: way for it to sign off, wasn't it.

796
00:39:51,067 --> 00:39:51,347
Speaker 3: It was?

797
00:39:51,427 --> 00:39:51,587
Speaker 9: Greg?

798
00:39:51,707 --> 00:39:53,147
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you're right, yeah, You and I we did

799
00:39:53,267 --> 00:39:55,547
Speaker 3: chat about this yesterday and I checked them with Colin

800
00:39:55,627 --> 00:39:59,827
Speaker 3: Mansbridge and he said, well, they have booked Addington for

801
00:40:00,627 --> 00:40:02,587
Speaker 3: the first part of next year anyway. I mean by

802
00:40:02,627 --> 00:40:04,267
Speaker 3: the time we get to finals, and who would bet

803
00:40:04,307 --> 00:40:07,747
Speaker 3: against the Crusaders being there again, they'll be in Ti Kaha.

804
00:40:07,827 --> 00:40:10,067
Speaker 3: But you're right. There may be you know, two or

805
00:40:10,107 --> 00:40:13,547
Speaker 3: three extra games in round robin at at Addington, so

806
00:40:13,627 --> 00:40:15,547
Speaker 3: maybe we haven't seen the back of it yet. And

807
00:40:15,667 --> 00:40:18,027
Speaker 3: now there's something Greg, you know, none of those Crusaders

808
00:40:18,067 --> 00:40:21,187
Speaker 3: players know anything other than Addington. No player in that

809
00:40:21,307 --> 00:40:25,667
Speaker 3: team predates predates that ground. They've Cody Taylor is the

810
00:40:25,707 --> 00:40:28,387
Speaker 3: one who has been in the longest twenty thirteen. So no,

811
00:40:29,187 --> 00:40:31,107
Speaker 3: no Crusaders player predates that place.

812
00:40:32,427 --> 00:40:32,627
Speaker 15: Yeah.

813
00:40:32,707 --> 00:40:34,627
Speaker 24: Well, I mean the thing is, for all its faults,

814
00:40:34,827 --> 00:40:36,867
Speaker 24: it was something they had to stay together after the

815
00:40:36,987 --> 00:40:40,067
Speaker 24: Sheiks and we had nothing, and it was a focus point.

816
00:40:40,187 --> 00:40:42,627
Speaker 24: And it's just like the Crusaders have been. And that's

817
00:40:42,667 --> 00:40:44,787
Speaker 24: why you know, they're so loved down here, because of

818
00:40:44,787 --> 00:40:49,387
Speaker 24: the values they encompass and the good points that they know,

819
00:40:49,627 --> 00:40:53,627
Speaker 24: good values they uphold. And they were real inspiration after

820
00:40:53,707 --> 00:40:55,787
Speaker 24: the earthquakes if you read the story and how they

821
00:40:55,867 --> 00:40:59,387
Speaker 24: traveled halfway around the world to play, and they inspired

822
00:40:59,427 --> 00:41:02,187
Speaker 24: the city when they needed it. And it's just a

823
00:41:02,227 --> 00:41:05,147
Speaker 24: whole ethos that the team's had from the inception of

824
00:41:05,227 --> 00:41:09,067
Speaker 24: it when they started. Egos no decides to put it.

825
00:41:09,987 --> 00:41:12,747
Speaker 3: Yeah, Greg, gott to go, sorry mate, to cut you off.

826
00:41:12,827 --> 00:41:14,787
Speaker 3: Great to meet you yesterday. News Talks here B six

827
00:41:14,827 --> 00:41:17,667
Speaker 3: to one and Tasman Muckle players playing for the Crusaders

828
00:41:17,747 --> 00:41:20,627
Speaker 3: yesterday Shelfoon, black out A, Hotham, Harvilli, Rhees Jordan and

829
00:41:20,827 --> 00:41:24,867
Speaker 3: Springer Yea the Tasman franchise providing them our all Black

830
00:41:24,947 --> 00:41:26,427
Speaker 3: squad to be named after one.

831
00:41:27,987 --> 00:41:30,827
Speaker 1: It's the only place to discuss the biggest fourse issues

832
00:41:31,027 --> 00:41:34,867
Speaker 1: on and after fields. It's all on Weekend Sport with

833
00:41:35,067 --> 00:41:37,907
Speaker 1: Jason Paine on your home of sport.

834
00:41:39,107 --> 00:41:42,667
Speaker 3: Us hang on one O seven. Thank you for joining

835
00:41:42,747 --> 00:41:44,547
Speaker 3: us on weekend Sport on news talk shit. But I

836
00:41:44,587 --> 00:41:46,507
Speaker 3: hope the long weekend there's still got a bit of

837
00:41:46,627 --> 00:41:50,547
Speaker 3: life in it and you're enjoying yourself. You will be

838
00:41:50,627 --> 00:41:54,467
Speaker 3: if you're in Canterbury Country where I am broadcasting from today.

839
00:41:54,907 --> 00:41:56,547
Speaker 3: Great to be at the game last night, Gunner on

840
00:41:56,667 --> 00:42:01,067
Speaker 3: text Heiney, congrats to the Crusaders, much deserved victory in

841
00:42:01,147 --> 00:42:03,627
Speaker 3: my eyes, I thought the Crusaders had a great kick

842
00:42:03,707 --> 00:42:06,947
Speaker 3: and chase their front row out standing. He's as well

843
00:42:07,067 --> 00:42:10,747
Speaker 3: Ethan Blackadder, Leo Willie exceptional. I love the calmness under

844
00:42:10,747 --> 00:42:12,867
Speaker 3: pressure of Revez Rayhanna, but I would have given the

845
00:42:12,907 --> 00:42:16,107
Speaker 3: man of the match to Fletcher Null, who was dominant

846
00:42:16,187 --> 00:42:18,787
Speaker 3: at scrum time apart from the first couple, and he

847
00:42:18,867 --> 00:42:21,267
Speaker 3: also played eighty minutes in three of the last four games.

848
00:42:21,307 --> 00:42:24,067
Speaker 3: I thought the Chiefs defense was magnificent to hold the

849
00:42:24,107 --> 00:42:26,227
Speaker 3: Crusaders to just the one try with all of that

850
00:42:26,347 --> 00:42:29,187
Speaker 3: possession and territory. But having said all of that, the

851
00:42:29,267 --> 00:42:32,387
Speaker 3: score didn't reflect the Crusader's true dominance of the game.

852
00:42:32,787 --> 00:42:34,507
Speaker 3: It's a Chiefs man. It's a bit of pill to

853
00:42:34,587 --> 00:42:36,627
Speaker 3: swallow at the moment, but don't let this one game

854
00:42:37,067 --> 00:42:40,307
Speaker 3: define our season. They say time is a great healer,

855
00:42:40,987 --> 00:42:43,507
Speaker 3: but I think I'll need some open mic therapy. I'm

856
00:42:43,547 --> 00:42:46,587
Speaker 3: still still a Chiefs fan. Good on, you're gonna well.

857
00:42:46,667 --> 00:42:50,667
Speaker 3: Happy to provide any therapy that is needed for you,

858
00:42:50,787 --> 00:42:56,707
Speaker 3: my friend, happy to be the provider of that therapy

859
00:42:56,827 --> 00:43:00,507
Speaker 3: for you. This hour on News Talks, head beat James

860
00:43:00,587 --> 00:43:02,827
Speaker 3: mcconey's going to pop in. He might be in need

861
00:43:02,907 --> 00:43:07,187
Speaker 3: of some therapy as well, with his chief side not

862
00:43:07,307 --> 00:43:08,947
Speaker 3: able to get the job done last night. But he

863
00:43:09,067 --> 00:43:12,587
Speaker 3: will join us as per usual. But we're going to

864
00:43:12,627 --> 00:43:16,547
Speaker 3: start with what's going to happen tomorrow. Scott Robinson will

865
00:43:16,627 --> 00:43:19,667
Speaker 3: tomorrow unveil his first all Black squad of the year

866
00:43:19,747 --> 00:43:23,707
Speaker 3: for test matches against France next month in Dunedin, Wellington

867
00:43:23,787 --> 00:43:26,827
Speaker 3: and Hamilton. The names to be read out at midday

868
00:43:26,907 --> 00:43:29,827
Speaker 3: tomorrow by ends at our board chair David Kirk. Who's

869
00:43:29,867 --> 00:43:33,227
Speaker 3: on the list, who's not and how many new faces

870
00:43:33,747 --> 00:43:35,867
Speaker 3: might we see in the first all Black squad of

871
00:43:35,907 --> 00:43:39,787
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. New Zealand Herald Senior rugby writer Liam

872
00:43:39,867 --> 00:43:42,627
Speaker 3: Napier is with us. Liam, thanks for taking the time

873
00:43:42,667 --> 00:43:46,147
Speaker 3: on your Sunday afternoon. Before we go into positions, anyone

874
00:43:46,347 --> 00:43:50,187
Speaker 3: play their way in or out or reinforce their place

875
00:43:50,267 --> 00:43:52,067
Speaker 3: in the squad in the final last night.

876
00:43:53,467 --> 00:43:57,267
Speaker 13: Afternoon, Poney, I saw you were a part of the

877
00:43:57,347 --> 00:44:00,827
Speaker 13: nineteen combination last night for the commentary, so yeah, I

878
00:44:00,947 --> 00:44:02,307
Speaker 13: was going to give you some stick in. So you

879
00:44:02,387 --> 00:44:04,507
Speaker 13: might be a bit too tall for a halffec, maybe more.

880
00:44:04,427 --> 00:44:11,067
Speaker 3: Of a lock or a loose forward, a lot gluc utility.

881
00:44:11,107 --> 00:44:13,747
Speaker 3: I think you're right alongside who joined us in our

882
00:44:13,787 --> 00:44:16,867
Speaker 3: pre game last night, Yeares. I towered over him, so yeah,

883
00:44:16,867 --> 00:44:19,187
Speaker 3: I don't think that works as a nineteen. But what

884
00:44:19,347 --> 00:44:21,987
Speaker 3: about I was gonna what about rivers Raehanna, it's a

885
00:44:22,027 --> 00:44:24,427
Speaker 3: late run I know, but he was good last night.

886
00:44:24,707 --> 00:44:26,947
Speaker 3: Is he Is he in this conversation now or not?

887
00:44:28,587 --> 00:44:31,227
Speaker 13: I don't think so. But it certainly was a big

888
00:44:31,347 --> 00:44:34,987
Speaker 13: performance in a big time match, wasn't it. And what

889
00:44:35,227 --> 00:44:38,427
Speaker 13: is season that's been for the Rivers coming from effectively

890
00:44:38,547 --> 00:44:41,387
Speaker 13: second maybe even third choice Crusaders Can Maker at the

891
00:44:41,387 --> 00:44:44,347
Speaker 13: start of the year to growing his game, standing up

892
00:44:44,387 --> 00:44:48,187
Speaker 13: on the big stage, really owning that moment. So great

893
00:44:48,227 --> 00:44:51,187
Speaker 13: for his development. But there were a number of big

894
00:44:51,267 --> 00:44:54,347
Speaker 13: performances across that match. Fletcher Newell was my man in

895
00:44:54,427 --> 00:44:57,187
Speaker 13: the match, played eighty odd minutes well, played the full

896
00:44:57,267 --> 00:45:01,667
Speaker 13: match for a front row with Nick Bully inform Any

897
00:45:01,907 --> 00:45:06,667
Speaker 13: mcl knee injury, so that only heightens his effort. I

898
00:45:06,787 --> 00:45:10,587
Speaker 13: thought some of the Chiefs struggle to weave it, particularly

899
00:45:10,587 --> 00:45:12,587
Speaker 13: in the second half. Lee Roy Carter struggled to get

900
00:45:12,627 --> 00:45:15,067
Speaker 13: into the game. He's been a big movie this year

901
00:45:15,107 --> 00:45:18,187
Speaker 13: on the wing for the Chiefs. I thought Quinta Pie

902
00:45:18,427 --> 00:45:21,787
Speaker 13: was really good. He's back to career best form. And

903
00:45:21,907 --> 00:45:25,187
Speaker 13: then others like Christian Leo where has been a big

904
00:45:25,267 --> 00:45:27,867
Speaker 13: standout for the Crusaders this year. So I think the

905
00:45:28,067 --> 00:45:30,507
Speaker 13: Black Slicker's probably had the bulk of that squad locked

906
00:45:30,547 --> 00:45:32,307
Speaker 13: and going into last night, but there might have been

907
00:45:32,507 --> 00:45:36,987
Speaker 13: one or two that, you know, maybe sweet they're thinking, all.

908
00:45:36,947 --> 00:45:39,267
Speaker 3: Right, let's go through some positions, then we might as

909
00:45:39,307 --> 00:45:41,267
Speaker 3: well start in the front row. They say it all

910
00:45:41,307 --> 00:45:43,507
Speaker 3: starts up front. No offer to all the fussy. Of course,

911
00:45:43,507 --> 00:45:45,107
Speaker 3: he's injured at the moment, and I know they rate

912
00:45:45,147 --> 00:45:47,267
Speaker 3: them highly in the All Black, so there was a

913
00:45:47,347 --> 00:45:50,347
Speaker 3: gap there. I think we can write down to Mighty, Williams, Fletcher,

914
00:45:50,427 --> 00:45:54,067
Speaker 3: null Ethan de Groot and Tyrrell Lomax. Who else you

915
00:45:54,147 --> 00:45:57,187
Speaker 3: reckon makes the squad in the front row club?

916
00:45:58,667 --> 00:46:00,947
Speaker 13: Yeah, well that's right, you need another loose head. So

917
00:46:01,827 --> 00:46:05,547
Speaker 13: you're looking at George bow who's played twenty two chests,

918
00:46:05,667 --> 00:46:09,547
Speaker 13: been there, done that, and he's been excellent for the Crusaders,

919
00:46:10,027 --> 00:46:13,027
Speaker 13: played the full match against the Blues when to Mighty

920
00:46:13,107 --> 00:46:16,267
Speaker 13: didn't play, and the kine again last night when the

921
00:46:17,027 --> 00:46:21,307
Speaker 13: Crusaders scrum dominated the Chiefs. So I think he's probably

922
00:46:21,387 --> 00:46:23,307
Speaker 13: the front runner. But if they want a bit of

923
00:46:23,307 --> 00:46:26,187
Speaker 13: a peek into the future and maybe a bit more youth,

924
00:46:26,907 --> 00:46:29,987
Speaker 13: they could look at someone like Olie Norris or Josh

925
00:46:30,027 --> 00:46:33,147
Speaker 13: for the tour. So those two have really stood up

926
00:46:33,267 --> 00:46:37,747
Speaker 13: in the loose their position to share both young, mobile, dynamic,

927
00:46:37,907 --> 00:46:40,547
Speaker 13: the sort of props the all court modern day props

928
00:46:40,587 --> 00:46:43,787
Speaker 13: who can do it all, you know, carry clean cackle

929
00:46:43,947 --> 00:46:47,107
Speaker 13: as well as do their core skills. So if looking

930
00:46:47,187 --> 00:46:51,107
Speaker 13: for experience, they'll go George Bauer. But if looking for

931
00:46:51,147 --> 00:46:53,027
Speaker 13: a rookie, yeah, I think it'd be Norris or for

932
00:46:53,187 --> 00:46:53,507
Speaker 13: the tour.

933
00:46:53,947 --> 00:46:55,747
Speaker 3: Do you think com Pussily or Toss he'll be back?

934
00:46:55,787 --> 00:46:57,827
Speaker 3: He had a start in six games off the bench

935
00:46:57,907 --> 00:47:00,507
Speaker 3: last year. Will he be in the team do you think?

936
00:47:01,587 --> 00:47:02,227
Speaker 8: I think certain?

937
00:47:02,347 --> 00:47:06,027
Speaker 13: He is a real modern day bolter. They don't see

938
00:47:06,027 --> 00:47:08,307
Speaker 13: to him those these days, do he But I think

939
00:47:08,347 --> 00:47:10,347
Speaker 13: they would have invested a lot in him last year

940
00:47:10,387 --> 00:47:14,667
Speaker 13: and they like his mobility. A former number eight, he

941
00:47:14,747 --> 00:47:16,907
Speaker 13: brings a lot and he was actually really good off

942
00:47:16,947 --> 00:47:19,787
Speaker 13: the bench field Blacks last year. Hasn't really kept on

943
00:47:19,907 --> 00:47:21,787
Speaker 13: for the Hurricanes, but I think we'll see him in

944
00:47:21,827 --> 00:47:23,067
Speaker 13: the squad all right.

945
00:47:23,147 --> 00:47:26,547
Speaker 3: Hookers Cody Taylor clearly who I thought was just exceptional

946
00:47:26,627 --> 00:47:30,067
Speaker 3: again last night as try his trice saving tackle on

947
00:47:30,107 --> 00:47:32,227
Speaker 3: tupul Vai and everything else he does around the field.

948
00:47:32,267 --> 00:47:35,107
Speaker 3: He'll be there summer. Sauny tokiaho presumably as well, and

949
00:47:35,187 --> 00:47:37,827
Speaker 3: suffer one more if he's over his injury. Are those

950
00:47:37,907 --> 00:47:38,627
Speaker 3: the three hookers?

951
00:47:39,867 --> 00:47:42,427
Speaker 13: I think so, and I'm sort of hearing that Am

952
00:47:43,307 --> 00:47:46,067
Speaker 13: probably won't be involved in July because that hamstring injury.

953
00:47:46,227 --> 00:47:48,787
Speaker 13: He was obviously catered off on the medicab. You might

954
00:47:48,827 --> 00:47:52,107
Speaker 13: have been at that trade and funny and Wellington prior

955
00:47:52,187 --> 00:47:56,067
Speaker 13: to the semi final against the Brumbies doesn't sound great.

956
00:47:56,747 --> 00:47:59,547
Speaker 13: So I think he may miss the series against France.

957
00:47:59,627 --> 00:48:02,547
Speaker 13: So that could potentially open the door for George Bell

958
00:48:02,707 --> 00:48:05,107
Speaker 13: who was a rookie inclusion last year.

959
00:48:06,427 --> 00:48:09,267
Speaker 3: In the Locks, Scott Barrett Patrick tweep a lot too

960
00:48:09,307 --> 00:48:12,347
Speaker 3: and two Paul Vai. They'll probably take one more. So

961
00:48:13,107 --> 00:48:13,787
Speaker 3: who will that be?

962
00:48:15,427 --> 00:48:19,747
Speaker 13: I think it's come on down Netherlands born Fabian Hollands

963
00:48:21,547 --> 00:48:24,347
Speaker 13: and you know what a story that'll be, because very

964
00:48:25,027 --> 00:48:27,427
Speaker 13: unique story, isn't it. A guy that grew up in

965
00:48:27,467 --> 00:48:32,147
Speaker 13: the football mad country, came to crush it, originally went

966
00:48:32,187 --> 00:48:34,467
Speaker 13: to school there to Chaser's dream, originally on a six

967
00:48:34,547 --> 00:48:38,827
Speaker 13: month scholarship and got lured down south to Dunedin and

968
00:48:39,427 --> 00:48:41,467
Speaker 13: has rarely come on leaps and bounds in a big way,

969
00:48:41,587 --> 00:48:44,587
Speaker 13: grown into his body, learned the game, and I think

970
00:48:44,667 --> 00:48:46,347
Speaker 13: could be a real asset to the All Blacks, and

971
00:48:46,387 --> 00:48:48,507
Speaker 13: he used to come. He spent time training with the

972
00:48:48,547 --> 00:48:50,787
Speaker 13: All Blacks at the back end of last year and

973
00:48:51,027 --> 00:48:55,307
Speaker 13: really impressed the coaches and even guys like Sam Kaine

974
00:48:55,347 --> 00:48:59,507
Speaker 13: spoke publicly about how easily he fitted in and he

975
00:48:59,667 --> 00:49:01,147
Speaker 13: just sort of looked the part. So I'll be very

976
00:49:01,187 --> 00:49:03,307
Speaker 13: surprised if he's not the fourth flock.

977
00:49:03,907 --> 00:49:06,627
Speaker 3: Yeah, big body to U, isn't He's quite a big humanist.

978
00:49:08,307 --> 00:49:11,787
Speaker 13: Was he two meters tall? Throws himself into the collision,

979
00:49:11,947 --> 00:49:13,747
Speaker 13: so he's only going to get better.

980
00:49:14,267 --> 00:49:17,707
Speaker 3: Yeah, look forward to seeing Fabian Holland and his development. Okay,

981
00:49:17,867 --> 00:49:20,667
Speaker 3: loose forwards. This is probably where we have to have

982
00:49:20,787 --> 00:49:22,547
Speaker 3: to scratch our heads just a little bit, and I'm

983
00:49:22,547 --> 00:49:24,747
Speaker 3: sure the selectors have done so as well. Before we

984
00:49:24,827 --> 00:49:26,947
Speaker 3: look at who might be there, we know Ardie Savia

985
00:49:27,027 --> 00:49:30,827
Speaker 3: will be. Which number do you expect Ardie Savia to

986
00:49:30,987 --> 00:49:32,547
Speaker 3: wear for the All Blacks this season?

987
00:49:34,107 --> 00:49:35,987
Speaker 13: I think we'll see him get back to seventh final here.

988
00:49:36,027 --> 00:49:40,067
Speaker 13: I think we saw that sort of movement towards the

989
00:49:40,147 --> 00:49:44,587
Speaker 13: back end of last year. But Wallace and Tsi is

990
00:49:44,627 --> 00:49:46,987
Speaker 13: a natural number eight and I think that's where his

991
00:49:47,067 --> 00:49:49,347
Speaker 13: long term future is and that's ultimately where the All

992
00:49:49,347 --> 00:49:53,107
Speaker 13: Blacks will play him. He made a good fist of blindside,

993
00:49:53,147 --> 00:49:54,667
Speaker 13: didn't he? He was the All Blacks player in the

994
00:49:54,707 --> 00:49:59,667
Speaker 13: year last year, coming from his rookie Super Rugby season

995
00:49:59,787 --> 00:50:03,227
Speaker 13: through to you know, standing out against the spring Box

996
00:50:03,467 --> 00:50:06,427
Speaker 13: and England's But I think it is a back of

997
00:50:06,467 --> 00:50:08,707
Speaker 13: the scrum or see Wallace with Ardi and so then

998
00:50:09,827 --> 00:50:13,467
Speaker 13: you're looking for the perennial questions who is the All

999
00:50:13,507 --> 00:50:17,547
Speaker 13: Blacks blind side? And that's something that hasn't really been

1000
00:50:17,627 --> 00:50:21,787
Speaker 13: sold since Jan Fradell went off to Japan and it

1001
00:50:21,867 --> 00:50:24,627
Speaker 13: took him sometime to step into Jerome Kino's shoes as well.

1002
00:50:24,787 --> 00:50:28,347
Speaker 13: So the back end of last year the All Blacks

1003
00:50:28,387 --> 00:50:31,027
Speaker 13: took seven loose forwards in a thirty six man squad.

1004
00:50:31,467 --> 00:50:34,067
Speaker 13: You're probably looking at six or seven for the squad

1005
00:50:34,107 --> 00:50:34,427
Speaker 13: as well.

1006
00:50:35,427 --> 00:50:39,707
Speaker 3: Who is six? Then? Who who is it? Smer Penny Female,

1007
00:50:39,747 --> 00:50:42,307
Speaker 3: Let's let's chuck some names out. Is it Somer Penny Fee?

1008
00:50:42,307 --> 00:50:49,187
Speaker 13: Now he's the closest in prototype or body composition, the

1009
00:50:49,267 --> 00:50:52,187
Speaker 13: way he plays the game to a frizzelle or a

1010
00:50:52,267 --> 00:50:54,707
Speaker 13: kind of isn't he Bill Blacks loved their blind side

1011
00:50:54,747 --> 00:50:59,547
Speaker 13: to be that big, bruising enforcer, somebody who can contribute

1012
00:50:59,547 --> 00:51:02,427
Speaker 13: at the line out as well. Some A Penny is

1013
00:51:02,547 --> 00:51:05,147
Speaker 13: that guy, but he hasn't really taken his chance for

1014
00:51:05,147 --> 00:51:07,467
Speaker 13: the All Blacks, so I expect him to be in

1015
00:51:07,547 --> 00:51:10,987
Speaker 13: the squad. But I think the question of who starts

1016
00:51:11,107 --> 00:51:13,987
Speaker 13: at sex for the All Blacks is still reopen. Ethan

1017
00:51:14,027 --> 00:51:18,867
Speaker 13: Blackheader is another strong contender. He's his prowess is more

1018
00:51:18,907 --> 00:51:21,107
Speaker 13: on the defensive side of the ball than than carrying.

1019
00:51:22,187 --> 00:51:25,667
Speaker 13: And then there's there's others like Luke Jacobson very similar.

1020
00:51:27,067 --> 00:51:28,947
Speaker 13: The essue with the loose forwards to me, phonny is

1021
00:51:29,307 --> 00:51:32,267
Speaker 13: when you look at Luke Jacobson, Ethan Blackheader and Dalton

1022
00:51:32,307 --> 00:51:36,067
Speaker 13: POPOLEI are all very similar layers. And so it depends

1023
00:51:36,787 --> 00:51:38,987
Speaker 13: you know, can you can you afford to fit all

1024
00:51:39,027 --> 00:51:40,107
Speaker 13: of them in the same squad?

1025
00:51:41,627 --> 00:51:42,467
Speaker 3: I don't think he can.

1026
00:51:42,587 --> 00:51:42,867
Speaker 9: Can he?

1027
00:51:42,907 --> 00:51:46,347
Speaker 3: Do you think he'll? Is this the time when perhaps

1028
00:51:46,427 --> 00:51:48,947
Speaker 3: Dalton Papa Lee missus an All Black squad?

1029
00:51:50,307 --> 00:51:52,907
Speaker 13: I think he'd be very nervous, funny, and you saw

1030
00:51:52,987 --> 00:51:55,667
Speaker 13: that last year he really did fall out of favor.

1031
00:51:55,707 --> 00:51:58,867
Speaker 13: He was the heir apparent for so long to sam Kin,

1032
00:51:59,667 --> 00:52:02,547
Speaker 13: but when pushed him to shove last year, All Blacks

1033
00:52:02,627 --> 00:52:07,467
Speaker 13: went back to experience called Kane and Peteranara and Dalton Papally.

1034
00:52:07,587 --> 00:52:10,267
Speaker 13: He missed out on the Northern tour because of a

1035
00:52:10,307 --> 00:52:12,267
Speaker 13: thumb injury. There was some talk that he was going

1036
00:52:12,347 --> 00:52:15,107
Speaker 13: to go later on that tour when it healed. That

1037
00:52:15,227 --> 00:52:18,267
Speaker 13: didn't happen, and then his father's like Peter Lucky come

1038
00:52:18,307 --> 00:52:21,027
Speaker 13: in and really impressed off the bench against France. So

1039
00:52:22,187 --> 00:52:24,067
Speaker 13: I think the style of rugubar that the Blues play

1040
00:52:24,107 --> 00:52:28,027
Speaker 13: don't help doesn't help Pupily either. He's very good defensively,

1041
00:52:28,107 --> 00:52:29,667
Speaker 13: but he also looks good when he's got a bit

1042
00:52:29,707 --> 00:52:32,787
Speaker 13: of room to move roaming down the wide channels. But

1043
00:52:33,027 --> 00:52:35,707
Speaker 13: underven Cord of the Blues are just so combative, so direct,

1044
00:52:36,387 --> 00:52:40,027
Speaker 13: that he doesn't give enough of those opportunities. So I

1045
00:52:40,067 --> 00:52:42,467
Speaker 13: would not be surprised to see him missed the squad,

1046
00:52:42,507 --> 00:52:44,667
Speaker 13: and that would be a massive call for a guy

1047
00:52:44,787 --> 00:52:47,227
Speaker 13: that's had huge investment in his future.

1048
00:52:48,027 --> 00:52:52,267
Speaker 3: Duplas he's a seven and only a seven hasn't played

1049
00:52:52,307 --> 00:52:55,267
Speaker 3: for the All Blacks, exceptional this year for the Hurricanes.

1050
00:52:55,707 --> 00:53:00,027
Speaker 3: Do you expect his name to be on the list tomorrow, I.

1051
00:53:00,147 --> 00:53:03,067
Speaker 13: Do, and I hope so, because he couldn't have done

1052
00:53:03,107 --> 00:53:05,987
Speaker 13: anything more. And for me, he's a point of difference.

1053
00:53:06,067 --> 00:53:09,907
Speaker 13: He's not that big iusy like you would have interviewed

1054
00:53:09,947 --> 00:53:15,467
Speaker 13: him how many times stood next to him. He's seriously built,

1055
00:53:16,147 --> 00:53:19,907
Speaker 13: tree trunk legs, huge upper body. But his point of

1056
00:53:19,947 --> 00:53:23,707
Speaker 13: difference is turnovers, and that's so valuable in the modern

1057
00:53:23,747 --> 00:53:27,027
Speaker 13: game to be able to snap or break down turnover

1058
00:53:27,147 --> 00:53:30,827
Speaker 13: and to try and strike on counter attack. And I

1059
00:53:30,987 --> 00:53:32,827
Speaker 13: just think he does that better than any other loose

1060
00:53:32,907 --> 00:53:35,427
Speaker 13: forward in New Zealand. At the moment. He's consistently done

1061
00:53:35,467 --> 00:53:38,347
Speaker 13: that for the Hurricanes. And also heard that he was

1062
00:53:38,547 --> 00:53:42,347
Speaker 13: very close to leaving signing in Japan and that the

1063
00:53:42,387 --> 00:53:45,787
Speaker 13: All Blacks encouraged him to stay. So if he's not

1064
00:53:45,907 --> 00:53:49,307
Speaker 13: in the squad, you'd be pretty disappointed if you'd had

1065
00:53:49,347 --> 00:53:51,707
Speaker 13: that encouragement and it didn't come fruish.

1066
00:53:52,987 --> 00:53:55,027
Speaker 3: He's got a halfbacks. I don't think we have to

1067
00:53:55,067 --> 00:53:57,187
Speaker 3: stay here long, do we. Cameroy Guard Cortes will out

1068
00:53:57,187 --> 00:53:59,387
Speaker 3: to Manoah Hotham anybody else in the discussion.

1069
00:54:00,707 --> 00:54:03,427
Speaker 13: I think tic tic Tick largely fin Lay, Christy's probably

1070
00:54:03,467 --> 00:54:07,027
Speaker 13: the fourth guy, but I think there's a bit of

1071
00:54:07,067 --> 00:54:10,547
Speaker 13: a gap there, and yeah, I think we'll see those

1072
00:54:10,627 --> 00:54:14,227
Speaker 13: three in the rotation and get plenty of opportunities this year.

1073
00:54:14,627 --> 00:54:18,027
Speaker 3: The other future for now first five Boden Barrett and

1074
00:54:18,107 --> 00:54:20,947
Speaker 3: Damien McKenzie. We know we'll both be there. Who is

1075
00:54:21,027 --> 00:54:23,747
Speaker 3: starting in the ten jumper against France in two weeks

1076
00:54:23,787 --> 00:54:24,667
Speaker 3: in Dunedin though.

1077
00:54:26,387 --> 00:54:28,307
Speaker 13: Boden Barrett, I think we'll start fining. I think we

1078
00:54:28,427 --> 00:54:36,147
Speaker 13: saw in the Super Rugby playoffs. I think Boden outshine

1079
00:54:36,267 --> 00:54:39,867
Speaker 13: mckensey when the Blues beat the Chiefs and Neilson mckensey

1080
00:54:39,907 --> 00:54:43,507
Speaker 13: bounced back with an impressive performance against the Brumbies the

1081
00:54:43,587 --> 00:54:46,747
Speaker 13: following week in their semi final tri saving tackle. I

1082
00:54:46,787 --> 00:54:49,587
Speaker 13: think it was a twenty two point haul. But then again,

1083
00:54:49,707 --> 00:54:53,467
Speaker 13: last night wasn't his best match, a couple of errors,

1084
00:54:55,067 --> 00:54:58,627
Speaker 13: didn't have the front foot platform with the Crusaders dominating

1085
00:54:58,707 --> 00:55:01,387
Speaker 13: the scrum and the line out to a degree, But

1086
00:55:02,067 --> 00:55:04,867
Speaker 13: couldn't impose himself on that game as you would hope

1087
00:55:05,667 --> 00:55:08,107
Speaker 13: a world class playmaker should in a Super Rugby final.

1088
00:55:08,227 --> 00:55:12,507
Speaker 13: So I think those performances will hurt him and Boden's incumbent.

1089
00:55:12,707 --> 00:55:14,907
Speaker 13: Going back to the back end, of last year. He

1090
00:55:15,267 --> 00:55:20,187
Speaker 13: Scott Robinson and trusted him largely, and I think we'll

1091
00:55:20,187 --> 00:55:20,507
Speaker 13: see that.

1092
00:55:20,587 --> 00:55:23,027
Speaker 3: Continue host the next past ten.

1093
00:55:24,907 --> 00:55:28,747
Speaker 13: It's a million dollar question, is it Stephen Petterfetta, who

1094
00:55:28,987 --> 00:55:31,427
Speaker 13: has barely played for the Blues because of a carpentery

1095
00:55:31,467 --> 00:55:34,547
Speaker 13: all year, is a Ruben Love who had a handful

1096
00:55:34,547 --> 00:55:39,307
Speaker 13: of games at ten for the All Blacks. It's I've

1097
00:55:39,347 --> 00:55:42,467
Speaker 13: got no idea, Poney. I think the real concerns about

1098
00:55:42,547 --> 00:55:45,827
Speaker 13: the depth at ten in New Zealand rugby when you

1099
00:55:45,907 --> 00:55:50,147
Speaker 13: look at the Highlanders and the Hurricanes even at times

1100
00:55:50,227 --> 00:55:52,867
Speaker 13: this year, and I know they suffered a number of injuries,

1101
00:55:52,907 --> 00:55:56,787
Speaker 13: but He've got a situation where a lot of a

1102
00:55:56,827 --> 00:55:58,467
Speaker 13: lot of the first five of the pool, don't they

1103
00:55:58,987 --> 00:56:03,907
Speaker 13: and Crusaders and Chiefs Country and the Blues, and I

1104
00:56:04,027 --> 00:56:06,267
Speaker 13: think that needs to be a real focus to develop

1105
00:56:06,427 --> 00:56:09,867
Speaker 13: those next teams, because if Bodenbarre or Damien McKenzie went down,

1106
00:56:10,347 --> 00:56:12,627
Speaker 13: I think Scott Robinson would have some sleepless nights.

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00:56:13,067 --> 00:56:16,027
Speaker 3: Indeed, well, let's go to midfield. I feel like there

1108
00:56:16,067 --> 00:56:19,587
Speaker 3: are five very good midfield backs Jordy Barrett, Billy Proctor,

1109
00:56:19,667 --> 00:56:23,147
Speaker 3: Rico Jowani, David Harvilly and Quinta Pie. Those last two

1110
00:56:23,187 --> 00:56:26,347
Speaker 3: were both excellent for their respective sides. Last night I thought,

1111
00:56:26,867 --> 00:56:28,387
Speaker 3: do you think he'll select all five?

1112
00:56:30,107 --> 00:56:33,987
Speaker 13: It depends on Antony the Brown's comeback from his collarbone

1113
00:56:34,467 --> 00:56:37,587
Speaker 13: broken colibone. I'm not too sure where that's at, So

1114
00:56:38,507 --> 00:56:42,267
Speaker 13: maybe he does select all five with a caveat that

1115
00:56:42,427 --> 00:56:45,027
Speaker 13: Anton would come in later for the third test. You

1116
00:56:45,107 --> 00:56:47,387
Speaker 13: know that they can mix a match a wee bit

1117
00:56:47,467 --> 00:56:51,627
Speaker 13: with their squad depending on Anton's availability. Otherwise, it probably

1118
00:56:51,707 --> 00:56:54,667
Speaker 13: comes down to a straight choice between Heavily and to Pyre,

1119
00:56:55,067 --> 00:56:58,067
Speaker 13: and they'll both be very good this year. I would

1120
00:56:58,107 --> 00:57:02,947
Speaker 13: have to pire purely because I think he brings a

1121
00:57:03,027 --> 00:57:05,747
Speaker 13: strong ball carrying presence and you need that at twelve.

1122
00:57:05,867 --> 00:57:09,907
Speaker 13: He's He's probably the closest in that regard to Jordi

1123
00:57:09,987 --> 00:57:12,787
Speaker 13: Barrett that we haven't in his yelling games. David Heavily

1124
00:57:12,827 --> 00:57:16,467
Speaker 13: brings a raft of skills. I know James o'c O'Connor's

1125
00:57:16,507 --> 00:57:20,187
Speaker 13: talked him up this season. He certainly has a lot

1126
00:57:20,227 --> 00:57:22,707
Speaker 13: of voice and influence, and he's got a good kicking game.

1127
00:57:23,467 --> 00:57:25,707
Speaker 13: But I just I like what Quinn brings, just a

1128
00:57:25,787 --> 00:57:29,707
Speaker 13: really hard, uncompromising, direct presence on both sides of the poorn.

1129
00:57:31,267 --> 00:57:34,107
Speaker 3: Just before we move to the back three again, I'm

1130
00:57:34,147 --> 00:57:36,067
Speaker 3: asking you to predict stuff here, but do you think

1131
00:57:36,187 --> 00:57:38,587
Speaker 3: Razor give Billy Procter a crack in that thirteen jumper

1132
00:57:38,587 --> 00:57:40,307
Speaker 3: against France? Maybe even the first Test?

1133
00:57:41,827 --> 00:57:43,307
Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm not too sure about the first Test, but

1134
00:57:43,347 --> 00:57:46,307
Speaker 13: I think definitely against France. And I think we saw

1135
00:57:46,427 --> 00:57:49,787
Speaker 13: last year in July Bill Blacks used their whole squad

1136
00:57:50,187 --> 00:57:53,307
Speaker 13: and that was in two tests against England and fijis

1137
00:57:53,387 --> 00:57:55,987
Speaker 13: a lot easier to do that, but we all know

1138
00:57:56,107 --> 00:57:58,627
Speaker 13: it's going to be a largely second string French team.

1139
00:58:00,547 --> 00:58:04,387
Speaker 13: Expectations for the All Blacks to win all three and look,

1140
00:58:04,427 --> 00:58:06,747
Speaker 13: Billy Proctor just has to get more game time. He

1141
00:58:07,987 --> 00:58:10,747
Speaker 13: has come back this year was exceptional for the Hurricanes.

1142
00:58:11,867 --> 00:58:16,867
Speaker 13: His distribution, his balance as attacking game has rarely come

1143
00:58:16,947 --> 00:58:19,627
Speaker 13: to the four in the last few years, and I

1144
00:58:19,787 --> 00:58:21,547
Speaker 13: was highly critical of the All Blacks for not giving

1145
00:58:21,627 --> 00:58:23,827
Speaker 13: him any game time in the Rugby Championship last year.

1146
00:58:23,867 --> 00:58:27,187
Speaker 13: That was just bizarre. So I think, yeah, he has

1147
00:58:27,267 --> 00:58:28,827
Speaker 13: to have more games in there, and now I'm thinking

1148
00:58:28,827 --> 00:58:31,827
Speaker 13: about that as Rikowani. I'm pretty sure we'll played every

1149
00:58:31,907 --> 00:58:34,507
Speaker 13: match or close to it for the Blues this year,

1150
00:58:34,627 --> 00:58:37,267
Speaker 13: so they will want to manage him to a degree.

1151
00:58:37,707 --> 00:58:40,067
Speaker 3: Yeah, he started every match as well, so I think

1152
00:58:40,067 --> 00:58:42,427
Speaker 3: he was the only blog good to do it in

1153
00:58:42,627 --> 00:58:45,827
Speaker 3: New Zealand colors anyways, So yeah, he's had a bit

1154
00:58:45,827 --> 00:58:48,307
Speaker 3: of rugby. So to the back three. First of all,

1155
00:58:48,347 --> 00:58:50,187
Speaker 3: do you think they'll select Mark to Laya given the

1156
00:58:50,267 --> 00:58:51,547
Speaker 3: fact that he's leaving New Zealand.

1157
00:58:52,867 --> 00:58:56,507
Speaker 13: No, I don't think so Piney and maybe if it

1158
00:58:56,707 --> 00:59:00,747
Speaker 13: was a Bone Barrett they might, but it is a

1159
00:59:00,867 --> 00:59:03,747
Speaker 13: very case by case sort of selection basis. There's no

1160
00:59:03,827 --> 00:59:06,547
Speaker 13: hard and fast rules around this. But I think with

1161
00:59:06,707 --> 00:59:09,387
Speaker 13: wingers and particularly you're better off of vesting in the future.

1162
00:59:09,707 --> 00:59:11,427
Speaker 13: They tend to have a bit of a shelf life.

1163
00:59:11,467 --> 00:59:16,307
Speaker 13: You tend to pick on form when they're hot. So yeah,

1164
00:59:16,347 --> 00:59:18,227
Speaker 13: I think they'll move on from Mark Klea.

1165
00:59:18,387 --> 00:59:21,147
Speaker 3: All right, so it'll be Will Jordan obviously and who.

1166
00:59:23,427 --> 00:59:25,427
Speaker 13: Oh yeah, it's up for debate. I think Caleb Clark.

1167
00:59:25,827 --> 00:59:27,747
Speaker 13: I'm pretty sure. I'm I'm saying he didn't score a

1168
00:59:27,787 --> 00:59:29,067
Speaker 13: try for the Blues this year.

1169
00:59:29,467 --> 00:59:30,547
Speaker 3: Right, You're right he did not.

1170
00:59:32,147 --> 00:59:40,347
Speaker 13: It's a bit of a for a winger, but yeah,

1171
00:59:40,427 --> 00:59:43,707
Speaker 13: he Again, it's the sort of the blue style doesn't

1172
00:59:43,747 --> 00:59:47,347
Speaker 13: help that. Caleb was very good for the for the

1173
00:59:47,387 --> 00:59:49,627
Speaker 13: All Blacks last year, so I expect him to be there.

1174
00:59:50,347 --> 00:59:52,787
Speaker 13: You've got Will Jordan, as you say, Interesting to see

1175
00:59:52,827 --> 00:59:55,827
Speaker 13: how his knee is. He looked to be heavily strapped

1176
00:59:55,867 --> 00:59:59,787
Speaker 13: and hobbling around last night, so hopefully that's not too serious.

1177
01:00:00,427 --> 01:00:03,227
Speaker 13: And then I think Rubert Love will be there, whether

1178
01:00:03,307 --> 01:00:08,827
Speaker 13: it's as fullback, wing first five. I think his versatility

1179
01:00:09,307 --> 01:00:12,787
Speaker 13: they will like he had what like five or ten

1180
01:00:12,827 --> 01:00:16,067
Speaker 13: minutes off the bench against Japan last year scored a

1181
01:00:16,107 --> 01:00:18,627
Speaker 13: try with the wing, so I think he'll be there.

1182
01:00:19,067 --> 01:00:23,227
Speaker 13: And then you're looking at that well, Bilbich showed a

1183
01:00:23,267 --> 01:00:26,627
Speaker 13: lot of picks in severy reese last year, so I

1184
01:00:26,747 --> 01:00:30,747
Speaker 13: probably expect him to be there, and then he could

1185
01:00:30,787 --> 01:00:35,907
Speaker 13: be looking at a choice between another Hour or Lero Kata.

1186
01:00:36,267 --> 01:00:39,787
Speaker 13: I thought Lebrocada probably didn't enhance his claims last night.

1187
01:00:39,827 --> 01:00:45,107
Speaker 13: Ammoni plays I think one match under Razor before being

1188
01:00:45,147 --> 01:00:48,227
Speaker 13: through a cast aside, and so yeah, interesting to see

1189
01:00:48,227 --> 01:00:50,547
Speaker 13: the makeup of their back three and what the sort

1190
01:00:50,547 --> 01:00:53,107
Speaker 13: of forwards back splits as well. They can select up

1191
01:00:53,107 --> 01:00:57,587
Speaker 13: to sety five, but they may not just because they

1192
01:00:57,907 --> 01:01:00,067
Speaker 13: I know they do want to use the whole squad

1193
01:01:00,107 --> 01:01:01,507
Speaker 13: throughout this July series.

1194
01:01:02,027 --> 01:01:05,307
Speaker 3: All right, and the fact that you're off to Tananaki

1195
01:01:05,387 --> 01:01:08,827
Speaker 3: tomorrow to Barrett Country would suggest that we're going to

1196
01:01:08,867 --> 01:01:11,427
Speaker 3: have the same captain, even though there were murmurings earlier

1197
01:01:11,867 --> 01:01:14,907
Speaker 3: in the season after Ardie Save's herculean displays from a

1198
01:01:14,987 --> 01:01:18,347
Speaker 3: Wanna Pacifica that he perhaps should be given the captain's armband.

1199
01:01:18,387 --> 01:01:20,787
Speaker 3: It'll be s Barrett to lead the site again.

1200
01:01:22,147 --> 01:01:28,027
Speaker 13: Well indeed, yeah, off the Openaki Coast Rugby Club. I

1201
01:01:28,107 --> 01:01:30,227
Speaker 13: can't imagine that the Barracks have ever bought a beer

1202
01:01:30,267 --> 01:01:35,427
Speaker 13: in their life in recent times, so hopefully that extends

1203
01:01:35,467 --> 01:01:35,987
Speaker 13: to the media.

1204
01:01:36,107 --> 01:01:39,387
Speaker 3: Sure what I have to surely smiley of you all

1205
01:01:39,427 --> 01:01:42,387
Speaker 3: over it, I'm sure, I'm sure. Well, hey, great analysis.

1206
01:01:42,867 --> 01:01:44,667
Speaker 3: You've got a piece on the heral this morning as

1207
01:01:44,667 --> 01:01:47,667
Speaker 3: well that people can can catch up on mid day tomorrow.

1208
01:01:47,787 --> 01:01:50,347
Speaker 3: Is that when we're expecting David Kirk to address the

1209
01:01:50,747 --> 01:01:52,947
Speaker 3: assembled throng about midday tomorrow?

1210
01:01:53,867 --> 01:01:57,347
Speaker 13: That's all right, yep, live on Sky and News talk

1211
01:01:57,387 --> 01:01:59,827
Speaker 13: to their b I'm sure as well. So yeah, tune

1212
01:01:59,907 --> 01:02:02,707
Speaker 13: in and there's always one or two surprises, so and

1213
01:02:02,787 --> 01:02:04,467
Speaker 13: always a lot of interest in the first squad of here,

1214
01:02:04,507 --> 01:02:05,227
Speaker 13: so looking forward to.

1215
01:02:05,227 --> 01:02:09,947
Speaker 3: It travels into the Naki. Liam, thanks for joining us

1216
01:02:09,987 --> 01:02:12,667
Speaker 3: this afternoon. They always appreciate your time and expertise.

1217
01:02:13,787 --> 01:02:14,067
Speaker 13: Just fine.

1218
01:02:14,107 --> 01:02:16,027
Speaker 3: It gets up so mate, good only mate, look forward

1219
01:02:16,027 --> 01:02:17,867
Speaker 3: to that, Liam Nape you insid Herold dot co dot

1220
01:02:17,987 --> 01:02:20,747
Speaker 3: nz is where you can read his excellent analysis. He

1221
01:02:20,827 --> 01:02:22,707
Speaker 3: has got a piece this morning which breaks down a

1222
01:02:22,747 --> 01:02:24,267
Speaker 3: bit of what we've just talked about there as far

1223
01:02:24,347 --> 01:02:26,547
Speaker 3: as the all Black squad is concerned. So up to

1224
01:02:26,667 --> 01:02:31,147
Speaker 3: thirty five names, he may not name thirty five, so

1225
01:02:32,147 --> 01:02:34,067
Speaker 3: you keen to just hear your views on a couple

1226
01:02:34,147 --> 01:02:37,587
Speaker 3: of positions. Really, there are some where it feels as

1227
01:02:37,627 --> 01:02:40,027
Speaker 3: though you can just name name the players who are

1228
01:02:40,027 --> 01:02:43,147
Speaker 3: going to get picked half backs one Cameroy Guard Quartesla

1229
01:02:43,307 --> 01:02:46,467
Speaker 3: Tom Noah Hootham. I don't think there's anybody else who's

1230
01:02:46,507 --> 01:02:50,507
Speaker 3: going to break into that trio. The loose forwards really

1231
01:02:50,587 --> 01:02:53,827
Speaker 3: interest me. And you know, you watch a player like

1232
01:02:53,907 --> 01:02:56,507
Speaker 3: Duplas Kadifi and you think, what else, As Liam said,

1233
01:02:56,547 --> 01:03:00,667
Speaker 3: what else could he have done to catch the selector's eyes?

1234
01:03:01,107 --> 01:03:02,867
Speaker 3: The only thing that might well, a couple of things

1235
01:03:02,867 --> 01:03:04,387
Speaker 3: I might play against him is they didn't go deep

1236
01:03:04,387 --> 01:03:06,147
Speaker 3: into the playoffs the hurricane, They only had that one

1237
01:03:06,187 --> 01:03:10,307
Speaker 3: game against the Brumbies. And Kharifi is a seven and

1238
01:03:10,507 --> 01:03:13,707
Speaker 3: only a seven, whereas all of the others in this conversation,

1239
01:03:13,787 --> 01:03:18,787
Speaker 3: the likes of Jacobson, Blackadder, Stiti Savia can all play

1240
01:03:19,267 --> 01:03:22,147
Speaker 3: in a couple of different positions. Maybe actually that is

1241
01:03:22,507 --> 01:03:25,747
Speaker 3: something in Duplissi Khalifi's favor, the fact that he is

1242
01:03:25,787 --> 01:03:28,627
Speaker 3: an out and out seven. You know what you're going

1243
01:03:28,707 --> 01:03:31,147
Speaker 3: to get from him, and maybe you pick him for that.

1244
01:03:31,667 --> 01:03:36,907
Speaker 3: But if Ardie Savia, as Liam suggested, is keen to

1245
01:03:37,027 --> 01:03:39,787
Speaker 3: play seven this year, then does that in any way

1246
01:03:39,827 --> 01:03:42,987
Speaker 3: put the squeeze on Duplissi Corefia. I mean you want cover,

1247
01:03:43,147 --> 01:03:45,667
Speaker 3: but you look at the likes of a Jacobson or

1248
01:03:45,707 --> 01:03:49,427
Speaker 3: a Blackadder, even who have worn seven for their franchise

1249
01:03:50,907 --> 01:03:54,907
Speaker 3: and for their country. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

1250
01:03:55,027 --> 01:03:57,947
Speaker 3: eighty any names you expect to be there for the

1251
01:03:58,027 --> 01:04:01,387
Speaker 3: first time, any names that you expect perhaps won't be

1252
01:04:01,507 --> 01:04:06,427
Speaker 3: there that we might have expected to be there one

1253
01:04:06,467 --> 01:04:08,707
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty texts on nine to two

1254
01:04:08,827 --> 01:04:10,827
Speaker 3: nine two. We've got a few minutes to talk all

1255
01:04:10,867 --> 01:04:13,787
Speaker 3: Black selection if you so choose one twenty nine on

1256
01:04:13,827 --> 01:04:15,867
Speaker 3: News Talks, heead b back with your calls right after.

1257
01:04:15,787 --> 01:04:21,227
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Speaker 3: News Talk Seed Baby News Talks event just on twenty

1260
01:04:28,027 --> 01:04:30,667
Speaker 3: seven away from two Talking All Black Selection. The team

1261
01:04:30,747 --> 01:04:33,867
Speaker 3: is named at midday tomorrow squad of up to thirty

1262
01:04:33,947 --> 01:04:37,507
Speaker 3: five to play France and test matches in Dunedin, in

1263
01:04:37,587 --> 01:04:41,227
Speaker 3: Wellington and in Hamilton. The first of those games is

1264
01:04:41,427 --> 01:04:46,747
Speaker 3: a fortnight yesterday, then the following two Saturdays, all five

1265
01:04:46,867 --> 01:04:50,347
Speaker 3: past seven kickoffs, all broadcast live here on News Talks

1266
01:04:50,347 --> 01:04:53,507
Speaker 3: headb with our rugby editor and match commentator Elliot Smith

1267
01:04:54,187 --> 01:04:57,147
Speaker 3: leading our coverage. If you've got some thoughts on the

1268
01:04:57,467 --> 01:05:00,267
Speaker 3: squad that might be unveiled tomorrow, be keen to hear

1269
01:05:00,307 --> 01:05:02,107
Speaker 3: from you. I think, for the first time this afternoon

1270
01:05:02,107 --> 01:05:03,987
Speaker 3: there's actually a spare line to jump on. Oh eight

1271
01:05:04,107 --> 01:05:08,307
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty who's in forward mix? Who starts

1272
01:05:08,347 --> 01:05:13,347
Speaker 3: at first five against France in Dunedin? I think Liam's

1273
01:05:13,387 --> 01:05:18,427
Speaker 3: probably right Bowden Barrett, I think shadowed or sorry, shaded

1274
01:05:19,067 --> 01:05:25,587
Speaker 3: Damien McKenzie in the finals matches. Look, I said yesterday

1275
01:05:25,627 --> 01:05:27,907
Speaker 3: I thought Damien mackenzie could have a big influence on

1276
01:05:27,947 --> 01:05:30,507
Speaker 3: the final. Last night it turned out that Rivers Rayhanner

1277
01:05:31,347 --> 01:05:33,587
Speaker 3: on the other side, had a bigger influence than the

1278
01:05:33,667 --> 01:05:36,707
Speaker 3: ten jumper and was Man of the match. Damien McKenzie

1279
01:05:36,747 --> 01:05:40,067
Speaker 3: hasn't become a bad player. He just had a night

1280
01:05:40,147 --> 01:05:43,867
Speaker 3: probably that he would look back on and say, I

1281
01:05:44,027 --> 01:05:47,587
Speaker 3: maybe didn't quite deliver the way I should have. Terry says,

1282
01:05:47,747 --> 01:05:51,067
Speaker 3: Rivers Rayhanna is ten investment for the future to be

1283
01:05:51,227 --> 01:05:55,627
Speaker 3: mentors by the two incumbents. Future proofing is essential in

1284
01:05:55,667 --> 01:05:57,347
Speaker 3: the pivot role, especially when we think back to the

1285
01:05:57,427 --> 01:06:00,027
Speaker 3: twenty eleven Rugby World Cup. Yes, andd Terry went through

1286
01:06:00,027 --> 01:06:02,827
Speaker 3: a few then, didn't we We went through a few then. Actually.

1287
01:06:02,987 --> 01:06:06,067
Speaker 3: Rob Penny was asked about Revers Rayhanna last night after

1288
01:06:06,107 --> 01:06:09,867
Speaker 3: the game, not only in regard to the all Blacks announcement,

1289
01:06:09,947 --> 01:06:11,947
Speaker 3: but on his performance last night, an earning man of

1290
01:06:11,987 --> 01:06:14,627
Speaker 3: the match and his development as a player. He's Rob

1291
01:06:14,667 --> 01:06:16,107
Speaker 3: Penny on Rivers Rahana.

1292
01:06:16,827 --> 01:06:18,427
Speaker 26: Probably I think four or five years ago in New

1293
01:06:18,467 --> 01:06:21,947
Speaker 26: Zealand twenties had massive expectation about where he's going to.

1294
01:06:21,947 --> 01:06:24,667
Speaker 26: He had to just got no opportunity, had a couple

1295
01:06:24,707 --> 01:06:26,907
Speaker 26: of injuries, you know, in the first eighty months with us,

1296
01:06:26,987 --> 01:06:30,267
Speaker 26: and now back end driven us through to a final.

1297
01:06:30,307 --> 01:06:33,947
Speaker 26: I think that's probably about maybe his tenth or twelfth

1298
01:06:34,427 --> 01:06:37,067
Speaker 26: Super game. He hasn't played much at this level yet,

1299
01:06:37,107 --> 01:06:38,787
Speaker 26: and he's been around the scene for a long time.

1300
01:06:39,747 --> 01:06:43,387
Speaker 26: Just massive admiration for him, like Taha, his development at

1301
01:06:43,387 --> 01:06:46,827
Speaker 26: the start and unfortunately got injured. So you know, the

1302
01:06:47,267 --> 01:06:49,947
Speaker 26: development in that area is just so pleasing. The work

1303
01:06:50,027 --> 01:06:52,587
Speaker 26: that the coaches are putting into those young men, those

1304
01:06:52,707 --> 01:06:55,907
Speaker 26: young men embracing it, like to fill in the shoes

1305
01:06:55,947 --> 01:06:59,627
Speaker 26: of Richie Mulwana, who was massive influence for a long time,

1306
01:07:00,387 --> 01:07:02,507
Speaker 26: but to beat it, you know, like to be objective

1307
01:07:02,547 --> 01:07:05,747
Speaker 26: around that. Richie wasn't leading the Crusaders until he is

1308
01:07:05,867 --> 01:07:06,947
Speaker 26: twenty two, twenty three.

1309
01:07:07,067 --> 01:07:08,907
Speaker 2: Tahar's doing it as a.

1310
01:07:09,627 --> 01:07:13,907
Speaker 26: Twenty one year old and hasn't had the experience at

1311
01:07:13,987 --> 01:07:17,827
Speaker 26: provincial level that Richie had. And this isn't this is

1312
01:07:17,947 --> 01:07:21,107
Speaker 26: just about I guess people's expectation. Those peoples were in

1313
01:07:21,507 --> 01:07:24,427
Speaker 26: the ten Jersey. It takes time to mold and grow

1314
01:07:24,547 --> 01:07:27,947
Speaker 26: and develop and just so rapped where Tahara and Rivers

1315
01:07:27,987 --> 01:07:30,307
Speaker 26: have got too, and we've got James White and behind

1316
01:07:31,067 --> 01:07:35,387
Speaker 26: another exciting kid coming out of Canary Club Rugby futures Bright.

1317
01:07:35,987 --> 01:07:38,627
Speaker 3: That's Rob Petty speaking about Rivers, Rahana and also Taha

1318
01:07:38,747 --> 01:07:41,667
Speaker 3: Kemeda and others. I mean Taha Kimeda was their man.

1319
01:07:41,827 --> 01:07:45,227
Speaker 3: He was the first choice first five at the start

1320
01:07:45,267 --> 01:07:46,987
Speaker 3: of the season and did really well. I was really

1321
01:07:47,027 --> 01:07:50,547
Speaker 3: impressed with the Tahakkemda this year and gutted for him

1322
01:07:50,627 --> 01:07:53,747
Speaker 3: and for the Crusaders when he went down injured. He

1323
01:07:53,907 --> 01:07:56,747
Speaker 3: joined us in our pregame coverage last night and the recovery,

1324
01:07:57,147 --> 01:07:59,627
Speaker 3: the rehabilitation is going well. By the sounds of things,

1325
01:08:00,427 --> 01:08:02,787
Speaker 3: I could just hear their disappointment in his voice, not

1326
01:08:02,867 --> 01:08:04,987
Speaker 3: being able to be out there, but he was all

1327
01:08:05,107 --> 01:08:07,867
Speaker 3: in and his support of Reverse Ray Hannah and also

1328
01:08:07,947 --> 01:08:10,507
Speaker 3: James O'Connor, who's part of that first five mix at

1329
01:08:10,547 --> 01:08:12,467
Speaker 3: the Crusaders as well. I think it would be a

1330
01:08:12,547 --> 01:08:16,027
Speaker 3: big call for Revers Rayhannah to make the All Blacks.

1331
01:08:16,907 --> 01:08:18,507
Speaker 3: I was gonna say on the strength of last night,

1332
01:08:18,587 --> 01:08:24,667
Speaker 3: you know, with an exclamation mark. Last night he's been good.

1333
01:08:25,147 --> 01:08:26,747
Speaker 3: He has been good. Don't get me wrong, but I'm

1334
01:08:26,787 --> 01:08:29,227
Speaker 3: not sure that he's there ahead of, for example, a

1335
01:08:29,307 --> 01:08:31,387
Speaker 3: guy like Ruben Love. I think Love will be in

1336
01:08:31,427 --> 01:08:33,947
Speaker 3: the squad because he covers a number of positions and

1337
01:08:34,107 --> 01:08:39,947
Speaker 3: is probably the third first five. Lee mentioned Stephen Petafetta.

1338
01:08:40,107 --> 01:08:44,627
Speaker 3: He's hardly played, is he. That's the issue with Stephen

1339
01:08:44,627 --> 01:08:47,867
Speaker 3: Petafetta being at the Blues is that he doesn't get

1340
01:08:47,907 --> 01:08:51,267
Speaker 3: to play first five because Boden Barrett's there. So some

1341
01:08:51,427 --> 01:08:55,067
Speaker 3: interesting little little challenges for the select this if you

1342
01:08:55,147 --> 01:08:57,507
Speaker 3: text here, keep your hands on rivers, Rayhanna, he won't

1343
01:08:57,507 --> 01:08:59,787
Speaker 3: be playing all blacks. He'll be too busy played for

1344
01:08:59,827 --> 01:09:00,987
Speaker 3: the Northland Tunnyfah.

1345
01:09:01,227 --> 01:09:01,427
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1346
01:09:01,467 --> 01:09:03,867
Speaker 3: I think given the choice or I think there's a

1347
01:09:03,907 --> 01:09:06,107
Speaker 3: pecking order here, they give his chosen with the all Blacks,

1348
01:09:06,147 --> 01:09:08,427
Speaker 3: that's he'll be. He might get an interview too, who knows.

1349
01:09:08,787 --> 01:09:11,227
Speaker 3: Let's not forget this is just a there's a squad

1350
01:09:11,267 --> 01:09:13,907
Speaker 3: to be named for the Tests against France. Then there's

1351
01:09:13,907 --> 01:09:16,787
Speaker 3: the Rugby Championship of course, and then the end view tour,

1352
01:09:16,987 --> 01:09:21,787
Speaker 3: so guys are going to get opportunities text here. People forget.

1353
01:09:21,907 --> 01:09:24,467
Speaker 3: Some players are made to look good by having dominant

1354
01:09:24,507 --> 01:09:27,187
Speaker 3: players around them. You seem to have completely forgotten about

1355
01:09:27,227 --> 01:09:30,587
Speaker 3: Timothy Tava Tava nahwe It seems like you think the

1356
01:09:30,587 --> 01:09:32,387
Speaker 3: All Black should only be picked from the top couple

1357
01:09:32,427 --> 01:09:35,947
Speaker 3: of teams. I certainly don't think that. I think of

1358
01:09:35,987 --> 01:09:38,387
Speaker 3: a player plays well for his franchise, even if they

1359
01:09:38,427 --> 01:09:41,387
Speaker 3: don't make it to the finals, for example, that they

1360
01:09:41,387 --> 01:09:44,267
Speaker 3: should be rewarded. And we talked about Fabian holland we

1361
01:09:44,387 --> 01:09:46,227
Speaker 3: know Ethan de Groot's going to be there. To Mothy

1362
01:09:46,307 --> 01:09:49,507
Speaker 3: tavatavannahweh is a very interesting proposition for the All Black

1363
01:09:49,547 --> 01:09:53,707
Speaker 3: selectors can play a couple of positions. Offers that barn

1364
01:09:53,867 --> 01:09:59,667
Speaker 3: storming type of robust play at second five, can also

1365
01:09:59,747 --> 01:10:02,947
Speaker 3: play on the wing, so he's got the versatility. I

1366
01:10:02,987 --> 01:10:06,187
Speaker 3: don't know. I mean, Timothy Tavatavanao may well be there tomorrow,

1367
01:10:06,467 --> 01:10:09,187
Speaker 3: may well be named in the team. Did he fall

1368
01:10:09,227 --> 01:10:10,587
Speaker 3: off a little bit at the back end of the season.

1369
01:10:10,667 --> 01:10:12,267
Speaker 3: He was very good at the start of the season.

1370
01:10:13,027 --> 01:10:15,907
Speaker 3: I just felt like it didn't he didn't quite kick

1371
01:10:15,987 --> 01:10:18,467
Speaker 3: on the way he might have. And the point about

1372
01:10:19,147 --> 01:10:21,907
Speaker 3: you know, not playing in good teams, I think if

1373
01:10:21,947 --> 01:10:26,467
Speaker 3: you propel your team to heights that perhaps were unexpected,

1374
01:10:26,507 --> 01:10:31,907
Speaker 3: then that lifts your stocks who says we've got no

1375
01:10:32,027 --> 01:10:34,027
Speaker 3: depth at first five Rivers, Rayhanna, man of the match

1376
01:10:34,107 --> 01:10:37,547
Speaker 3: last night's performed well all season, Rubin Love as well. Wingers,

1377
01:10:38,067 --> 01:10:40,267
Speaker 3: Clark's out of form. I'd go Reese Joanni in one

1378
01:10:40,347 --> 01:10:43,587
Speaker 3: other Okay that we can all agree that ricque Yoanni's

1379
01:10:43,587 --> 01:10:45,387
Speaker 3: not going to play in the wing anymore. Hit this

1380
01:10:45,467 --> 01:10:48,107
Speaker 3: conversation about three years and much as people will say, oh,

1381
01:10:48,187 --> 01:10:53,107
Speaker 3: he's a winger, I can't see the time that rigaue

1382
01:10:53,147 --> 01:10:55,907
Speaker 3: Yanni ever plays on the wing again anyway. Garrisons Pinty

1383
01:10:55,947 --> 01:10:58,307
Speaker 3: Person will be the third half back, Kyle Preston will

1384
01:10:58,307 --> 01:11:02,467
Speaker 3: be the third half back. So I just can't see

1385
01:11:02,507 --> 01:11:05,707
Speaker 3: how he would be chosen ahead of Noah Hotham. Hotham's

1386
01:11:05,707 --> 01:11:08,147
Speaker 3: clearly number one at the Crusaders. Why would the All

1387
01:11:08,187 --> 01:11:11,747
Speaker 3: Blacks go with Carle Preston, good player, kicks off both feet.

1388
01:11:12,787 --> 01:11:15,947
Speaker 3: Just don't think he's their ahead of Hotham. Just don't

1389
01:11:15,947 --> 01:11:19,267
Speaker 3: think that's the case. A couple of other texts before

1390
01:11:19,267 --> 01:11:22,587
Speaker 3: we go to a break, Caleb Clark question Mark says, Mark,

1391
01:11:23,467 --> 01:11:26,467
Speaker 3: there's been a few better performers. We may as well

1392
01:11:26,507 --> 01:11:28,387
Speaker 3: move for He go out to the word again Marked,

1393
01:11:28,387 --> 01:11:33,267
Speaker 3: I think's happening. Yeah, interesting and my concern says Mark.

1394
01:11:33,507 --> 01:11:37,067
Speaker 3: Another Mark is that Damien McKenzie couldn't take control of

1395
01:11:37,147 --> 01:11:39,107
Speaker 3: that game last night. It is a concern when he

1396
01:11:39,147 --> 01:11:40,067
Speaker 3: plays in the big games.

1397
01:11:41,667 --> 01:11:41,867
Speaker 15: Yeah.

1398
01:11:42,427 --> 01:11:45,187
Speaker 3: We all, I think can agree that Damien McKenzie is

1399
01:11:45,187 --> 01:11:47,747
Speaker 3: a terrific rugby player and I think we all want

1400
01:11:47,827 --> 01:11:50,387
Speaker 3: to see him take control of big games and he

1401
01:11:50,627 --> 01:11:54,667
Speaker 3: has last night. I think he would agree that he

1402
01:11:54,987 --> 01:11:57,227
Speaker 3: didn't take control. But then you look and say, well, actually,

1403
01:11:57,827 --> 01:12:00,387
Speaker 3: who had four dominance last night? Who had the majority

1404
01:12:00,387 --> 01:12:02,027
Speaker 3: of the possession of the territory in the second half

1405
01:12:02,067 --> 01:12:07,027
Speaker 3: in particular, wasn't the Chiefs, was the Crusaders. It'll be

1406
01:12:07,107 --> 01:12:09,387
Speaker 3: very interesting to see what the year plays out like

1407
01:12:09,467 --> 01:12:12,387
Speaker 3: in terms of selection, not only at number ten but

1408
01:12:12,507 --> 01:12:16,067
Speaker 3: other positions as well. The squad's named tomorrow at the

1409
01:12:16,227 --> 01:12:20,347
Speaker 3: home of Coastal Rugby and a hotel near Operanaki. That

1410
01:12:20,587 --> 01:12:23,027
Speaker 3: is where the announcement will be made. We'll have full

1411
01:12:23,027 --> 01:12:25,227
Speaker 3: coverage on News Talks ZB from midday tomorrow and then

1412
01:12:25,267 --> 01:12:27,747
Speaker 3: on Sports Talk tomorrow night. Get the opportunity to talk

1413
01:12:27,787 --> 01:12:29,547
Speaker 3: to one of the debutants, whoever they might be, and

1414
01:12:29,587 --> 01:12:33,787
Speaker 3: also assistant coach Jason Ryan will join us on sports

1415
01:12:33,867 --> 01:12:36,507
Speaker 3: Talk on ZB tomorrow night between seven and eight. Let's

1416
01:12:36,547 --> 01:12:40,587
Speaker 3: take a break and give some open mic therapy to

1417
01:12:40,747 --> 01:12:43,867
Speaker 3: James mcconey, who no doubt is like most of the

1418
01:12:43,947 --> 01:12:47,827
Speaker 3: Chiefs fan base, having a challenging Sunday, but he's agreed

1419
01:12:47,867 --> 01:12:49,947
Speaker 3: to join us. As per usual, he never lets us down.

1420
01:12:50,027 --> 01:12:55,307
Speaker 3: He always honors his commitments. James mcconey, After this, you

1421
01:12:55,627 --> 01:12:56,307
Speaker 3: be the TMO.

1422
01:12:56,587 --> 01:12:58,987
Speaker 1: Have yours say? On eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1423
01:12:59,147 --> 01:13:03,827
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Hym and GJ. Gubnerholmes, New Zealand's

1424
01:13:03,867 --> 01:13:06,147
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1425
01:13:06,667 --> 01:13:09,027
Speaker 3: Sixteen to two on Texter to Mothy from the Highlanders

1426
01:13:09,067 --> 01:13:11,827
Speaker 3: had more turnovers and tackle breaks than anyone. He deserves

1427
01:13:11,907 --> 01:13:13,547
Speaker 3: a shot. I just don't know whether he makes it.

1428
01:13:13,667 --> 01:13:16,667
Speaker 3: It's a pretty stacked field of midfielders. I guess we'll

1429
01:13:16,667 --> 01:13:19,547
Speaker 3: find out tomorrow at midday. James mcconey is with us.

1430
01:13:20,107 --> 01:13:21,187
Speaker 3: How are you getting on, mate?

1431
01:13:23,307 --> 01:13:29,187
Speaker 7: Good a pony? Rugby sucks, winter sucks. If Donald Trump

1432
01:13:29,227 --> 01:13:30,907
Speaker 7: wants to burn the world to the ground, I'm here

1433
01:13:30,947 --> 01:13:34,627
Speaker 7: for it. Go ahead and make my day. Yeah, I'm okay.

1434
01:13:35,627 --> 01:13:38,307
Speaker 3: I sat in the press conference last night with Clayton

1435
01:13:38,347 --> 01:13:40,667
Speaker 3: McMillan and two poor Vai at the at the top table,

1436
01:13:40,707 --> 01:13:45,987
Speaker 3: and I mean it's very, very hard to explain why

1437
01:13:46,187 --> 01:13:48,107
Speaker 3: the Chiefs haven't been able to win a Grand Final.

1438
01:13:48,147 --> 01:13:50,787
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that Clayton McMillan could even could even

1439
01:13:51,707 --> 01:13:54,347
Speaker 3: articulate why they haven't been able to win any of

1440
01:13:54,427 --> 01:13:57,427
Speaker 3: the last three. What were your main sort of takeaways

1441
01:13:57,427 --> 01:13:58,027
Speaker 3: from last night.

1442
01:13:58,907 --> 01:14:00,907
Speaker 7: Yeah, I did stop at McDonald's on the way home.

1443
01:14:00,987 --> 01:14:04,627
Speaker 7: I mean, I have to admit it, that was the

1444
01:14:04,707 --> 01:14:07,747
Speaker 7: main one. I actually what happens you summed it up

1445
01:14:07,747 --> 01:14:10,387
Speaker 7: before Pinty. It was a forward battle. It was a

1446
01:14:10,427 --> 01:14:14,067
Speaker 7: massive arm wrestle. It was an aerial battle as well,

1447
01:14:14,227 --> 01:14:17,667
Speaker 7: and so the Crusaders won in the air. They won

1448
01:14:18,307 --> 01:14:20,827
Speaker 7: and the and the forward battle, and they won key

1449
01:14:20,907 --> 01:14:24,387
Speaker 7: moments really, you know, winning the moment even when did

1450
01:14:24,467 --> 01:14:27,147
Speaker 7: you notice when we had the Chiefs had a rare

1451
01:14:27,187 --> 01:14:30,107
Speaker 7: attacking line out. I saw Corey went up for the

1452
01:14:30,147 --> 01:14:33,267
Speaker 7: ball and Scott Barrett just ragged old him, you know,

1453
01:14:33,387 --> 01:14:36,067
Speaker 7: to the ground, just pulled him actually towards his own

1454
01:14:36,107 --> 01:14:38,467
Speaker 7: goal line. And I was just thinking, okay, is that legal?

1455
01:14:38,547 --> 01:14:38,867
Speaker 3: Probably?

1456
01:14:38,947 --> 01:14:41,587
Speaker 7: I don't know, but it's just effective. And there was

1457
01:14:41,627 --> 01:14:44,587
Speaker 7: a turnover straight away. So those little key moments, I

1458
01:14:44,667 --> 01:14:49,107
Speaker 7: think you can't fault the crusaders. But but for me,

1459
01:14:49,787 --> 01:14:52,347
Speaker 7: how long do the chiefs have to be bridesmaids? You know,

1460
01:14:53,107 --> 01:14:55,387
Speaker 7: like you don't want to be a bridesmaid every single time?

1461
01:14:55,467 --> 01:14:57,747
Speaker 7: People start to feel sorry for you if your bridesmaid

1462
01:14:57,907 --> 01:15:01,067
Speaker 7: every single wedding, you know, and then you start getting it.

1463
01:15:01,187 --> 01:15:03,227
Speaker 7: I mean there's people out there have been bridesmaids a lot,

1464
01:15:03,427 --> 01:15:05,827
Speaker 7: right and I've been a groomsman a lot, and it's

1465
01:15:05,907 --> 01:15:08,707
Speaker 7: not fun. And then in the end, when there's a

1466
01:15:08,787 --> 01:15:11,747
Speaker 7: throwing of the bouquet, you know, you're doing lineout calls

1467
01:15:11,787 --> 01:15:13,467
Speaker 7: and stuff like that, just trying to catch it just

1468
01:15:13,547 --> 01:15:14,347
Speaker 7: gets a bit desperate.

1469
01:15:15,707 --> 01:15:20,867
Speaker 3: Yes, I love the analogy. I honestly felt like this

1470
01:15:21,107 --> 01:15:23,907
Speaker 3: was this was their time. I honestly felt as though

1471
01:15:24,227 --> 01:15:27,107
Speaker 3: they would go there last night and win that game.

1472
01:15:27,187 --> 01:15:29,867
Speaker 3: And you say small moments, the aerial battle, the armorss

1473
01:15:29,867 --> 01:15:33,387
Speaker 3: will call it what you like. But yet I mentioned

1474
01:15:33,387 --> 01:15:35,547
Speaker 3: before and you might not have heard me, but Damien

1475
01:15:35,587 --> 01:15:38,787
Speaker 3: McKenzie afterwards, he was just sitting there, staring into the

1476
01:15:38,827 --> 01:15:42,067
Speaker 3: middle distance, probably wondering what on earth he has to

1477
01:15:42,147 --> 01:15:43,347
Speaker 3: do to win one of these things.

1478
01:15:43,627 --> 01:15:45,587
Speaker 7: Yeah, I know it wasn't Damien's best night, but do

1479
01:15:45,627 --> 01:15:47,147
Speaker 7: you know the one thing and you would have been

1480
01:15:47,147 --> 01:15:50,507
Speaker 7: screaming at the TV as well when the book broke

1481
01:15:50,627 --> 01:15:53,267
Speaker 7: free and he just had to tow it ahead with

1482
01:15:53,387 --> 01:15:57,227
Speaker 7: his left foot. And as a footballer, Pony, you got

1483
01:15:57,387 --> 01:15:59,227
Speaker 7: to have a good You gotta be able to least

1484
01:15:59,787 --> 01:16:01,107
Speaker 7: keep the ball and play with you.

1485
01:16:01,347 --> 01:16:02,227
Speaker 2: With your wrong foot.

1486
01:16:02,747 --> 01:16:05,587
Speaker 7: And I was going more soccer practice with the Chiefs

1487
01:16:05,707 --> 01:16:08,147
Speaker 7: because you've got to be able to keep the ball

1488
01:16:08,187 --> 01:16:10,787
Speaker 7: and play there, Damien. And that was pretty much, and

1489
01:16:10,947 --> 01:16:13,187
Speaker 7: of course obviously all the other stuff, but that stood

1490
01:16:13,227 --> 01:16:14,667
Speaker 7: out for me for.

1491
01:16:14,707 --> 01:16:17,627
Speaker 3: You as well, Pony, did you know, Yeah, I remember,

1492
01:16:17,707 --> 01:16:19,947
Speaker 3: I remember the exact moment you're talking about. Yeah, it's

1493
01:16:19,987 --> 01:16:21,747
Speaker 3: the bounce of the rugby ball, isn't it. And it

1494
01:16:21,867 --> 01:16:23,707
Speaker 3: did for a couple of people last night, bounced the

1495
01:16:23,747 --> 01:16:24,147
Speaker 3: wrong way.

1496
01:16:24,227 --> 01:16:26,667
Speaker 7: But yeah, anyway, one thing I did want to say

1497
01:16:26,787 --> 01:16:30,787
Speaker 7: is that, you know, the Chiefs, I think they left

1498
01:16:30,827 --> 01:16:32,307
Speaker 7: it all out there, but they did seem to run

1499
01:16:32,347 --> 01:16:34,427
Speaker 7: out of ideas. I was watching them box kick later

1500
01:16:34,507 --> 01:16:36,507
Speaker 7: in the game when I sort of thought, well, is

1501
01:16:36,547 --> 01:16:37,947
Speaker 7: now the time to run up. Do you have to

1502
01:16:38,027 --> 01:16:40,867
Speaker 7: sort of have those moves, those breakopen glass moves that

1503
01:16:40,987 --> 01:16:43,667
Speaker 7: you use in case of emergency And I didn't see that.

1504
01:16:43,867 --> 01:16:46,267
Speaker 7: You know, where is that sort of innovative thinking and

1505
01:16:46,347 --> 01:16:49,867
Speaker 7: where should you be taking ideas from other sports, from touch,

1506
01:16:49,947 --> 01:16:53,627
Speaker 7: from soccer, from basketball, whatever it is, the no look pass,

1507
01:16:53,667 --> 01:16:57,307
Speaker 7: all this kind of stuff. Where is the new wave

1508
01:16:57,547 --> 01:17:00,067
Speaker 7: of ideas to break down a defense like the Crusaders.

1509
01:17:00,107 --> 01:17:02,267
Speaker 7: It's so tough, So that's one thing I'd like to

1510
01:17:02,307 --> 01:17:04,147
Speaker 7: see is innovation. The other thing is I just think,

1511
01:17:04,747 --> 01:17:06,587
Speaker 7: you know, if rugby's going to end up that way

1512
01:17:08,307 --> 01:17:11,747
Speaker 7: at the highest level, it doesn't really feel that exciting.

1513
01:17:11,787 --> 01:17:14,347
Speaker 7: I watched Origin three nights earlier in pouring rain and

1514
01:17:14,427 --> 01:17:17,347
Speaker 7: Perth and it was compelling. It was brilliant. There was

1515
01:17:17,427 --> 01:17:20,667
Speaker 7: so much excent action and there were tries and rugby

1516
01:17:20,707 --> 01:17:22,587
Speaker 7: in a pretty good night in christ Church was just

1517
01:17:22,707 --> 01:17:25,907
Speaker 7: an absolute slug fest. And good on the Crusaders. They

1518
01:17:26,027 --> 01:17:27,867
Speaker 7: dragged the Chiefs into a black hole and that's where

1519
01:17:27,867 --> 01:17:28,827
Speaker 7: they love to be.

1520
01:17:29,467 --> 01:17:31,707
Speaker 3: Our match commentator Nick Buley pointed out to me last

1521
01:17:31,747 --> 01:17:35,067
Speaker 3: night that there were seventy three kicks and play last night,

1522
01:17:35,467 --> 01:17:38,267
Speaker 3: seventy three and it glues, box kicks in that but

1523
01:17:38,587 --> 01:17:40,147
Speaker 3: that kick Tennis that happened at the start of the

1524
01:17:40,187 --> 01:17:42,427
Speaker 3: second half, there were lots of there. Well, there was

1525
01:17:42,507 --> 01:17:44,867
Speaker 3: a lot of kicking last night and the box kick Piney.

1526
01:17:45,067 --> 01:17:47,107
Speaker 7: We need to do something about that because you know

1527
01:17:47,187 --> 01:17:49,427
Speaker 7: what's going to happen is that people will be obsessed

1528
01:17:49,467 --> 01:17:51,907
Speaker 7: with contesting. We're going to see more injuries just from

1529
01:17:51,987 --> 01:17:54,667
Speaker 7: their midiar collisions, so you know it's going to be

1530
01:17:54,787 --> 01:17:57,827
Speaker 7: like a World War One dog fight up there.

1531
01:17:58,787 --> 01:18:00,587
Speaker 3: A lot of those guys from last night, we'll hear

1532
01:18:00,627 --> 01:18:02,787
Speaker 3: their names read out tomorrow in the All Black Squad,

1533
01:18:02,867 --> 01:18:05,707
Speaker 3: the first one of the year. We had Pussy or

1534
01:18:05,747 --> 01:18:08,427
Speaker 3: Tossy bolter last year, and I don't think anybody picked

1535
01:18:08,507 --> 01:18:12,787
Speaker 3: him any any potential bolters for twenty twenty five.

1536
01:18:13,147 --> 01:18:14,747
Speaker 7: I think we're all talking about the same people. I

1537
01:18:14,827 --> 01:18:17,187
Speaker 7: did listen to Liam Napier, who didn't come into studio

1538
01:18:17,267 --> 01:18:20,867
Speaker 7: even though he works here. Wow, but I'm here for

1539
01:18:20,987 --> 01:18:24,587
Speaker 7: you Piney and Crystal Clear. But Liam's squad was very,

1540
01:18:24,667 --> 01:18:27,227
Speaker 7: very good, and I think we can say safely say

1541
01:18:27,267 --> 01:18:30,307
Speaker 7: that Fabian holland do Plessy Kadifi can't be bolt as

1542
01:18:30,307 --> 01:18:32,427
Speaker 7: given they've been in the in the in the squad

1543
01:18:32,507 --> 01:18:35,947
Speaker 7: before and have been talked about so much. Josh Fuzzy

1544
01:18:35,987 --> 01:18:39,387
Speaker 7: Tour has been talked about along with now Olie Norris.

1545
01:18:39,707 --> 01:18:42,267
Speaker 7: He played pretty well, even though Fletcher Newle was outstanding

1546
01:18:42,347 --> 01:18:46,027
Speaker 7: against him. I think the one thing, my one bolt

1547
01:18:46,067 --> 01:18:48,387
Speaker 7: I'm going to stick with is Caleb Tangy Tao. I

1548
01:18:48,467 --> 01:18:51,067
Speaker 7: think if he's fit, they'll give him a chance because

1549
01:18:51,107 --> 01:18:54,827
Speaker 7: there is room for an exciting strike winger with electric pace,

1550
01:18:55,187 --> 01:18:58,667
Speaker 7: and I think it's him, but someone a little bit

1551
01:18:58,827 --> 01:19:02,307
Speaker 7: like him. So is there a shootout between him and

1552
01:19:02,947 --> 01:19:04,907
Speaker 7: you know, Finny Young and or four or someone new

1553
01:19:05,467 --> 01:19:09,267
Speaker 7: that could sit and then Simon Parker. Unlucky he didn't

1554
01:19:09,267 --> 01:19:10,907
Speaker 7: get to play the big games, but I think he'll

1555
01:19:10,987 --> 01:19:13,427
Speaker 7: make the All Black fifteen and maybe even a wider

1556
01:19:13,507 --> 01:19:15,147
Speaker 7: training group. That's that's my prediction.

1557
01:19:15,507 --> 01:19:15,707
Speaker 9: Te you.

1558
01:19:15,787 --> 01:19:17,907
Speaker 3: I quite liked watching earlier in the season and he

1559
01:19:18,147 --> 01:19:20,107
Speaker 3: was kind of ruled out laid on through concussions and

1560
01:19:20,107 --> 01:19:22,907
Speaker 3: stuff with Shaefee hockey. I quite like the way that

1561
01:19:23,027 --> 01:19:23,907
Speaker 3: he goes about things.

1562
01:19:24,067 --> 01:19:26,387
Speaker 7: I think Shay is definitely on there well, another one

1563
01:19:26,387 --> 01:19:28,307
Speaker 7: who's been in the squad and last year I was

1564
01:19:28,787 --> 01:19:31,067
Speaker 7: pumping up Shay. I think He's probably one of those

1565
01:19:31,147 --> 01:19:34,307
Speaker 7: guys if they're staying consistent with their development of selection,

1566
01:19:34,907 --> 01:19:37,707
Speaker 7: who will be the one to cut tangy tails lunch

1567
01:19:37,987 --> 01:19:40,347
Speaker 7: if you know. If that's the case, you know he's

1568
01:19:40,387 --> 01:19:42,387
Speaker 7: got the all round skills and the kicking game that

1569
01:19:42,467 --> 01:19:44,947
Speaker 7: you need. But one just a note of warning.

1570
01:19:44,707 --> 01:19:45,187
Speaker 16: To raise it.

1571
01:19:45,587 --> 01:19:48,867
Speaker 7: If you're thinking, okay, you want to choose all those

1572
01:19:48,987 --> 01:19:51,387
Speaker 7: players that can slug it out and win you a game,

1573
01:19:51,827 --> 01:19:55,187
Speaker 7: that's exactly what Rassi and the Springboks want. They want

1574
01:19:55,227 --> 01:19:57,587
Speaker 7: to take you down into the mean streets as well

1575
01:19:57,747 --> 01:20:00,347
Speaker 7: after the purge on and just go and turn it

1576
01:20:00,387 --> 01:20:04,347
Speaker 7: into a massive street brawl. That's so don't necessarily give

1577
01:20:04,427 --> 01:20:06,227
Speaker 7: them what they want. That's where you've got a lot

1578
01:20:06,427 --> 01:20:09,227
Speaker 7: for a few points of difference. And and that's why

1579
01:20:09,307 --> 01:20:13,427
Speaker 7: even I know you're text to Tavatava Nahwai, well why not?

1580
01:20:13,747 --> 01:20:16,067
Speaker 7: You know there's there there has to be some little

1581
01:20:16,667 --> 01:20:19,267
Speaker 7: change and obviously I'm big on prop to to start

1582
01:20:19,307 --> 01:20:19,787
Speaker 7: at thirteen.

1583
01:20:21,187 --> 01:20:23,587
Speaker 3: Just before you go, you mentioned Origin the other night.

1584
01:20:23,667 --> 01:20:27,827
Speaker 3: I was quite pleasantly surprised to see that series squared up.

1585
01:20:28,827 --> 01:20:31,987
Speaker 3: I fully expected that New South Wales would win and

1586
01:20:32,067 --> 01:20:34,587
Speaker 3: win comfortably, and they got themselves a win at the end.

1587
01:20:34,667 --> 01:20:36,907
Speaker 3: But I just say it was quite a compelling watching

1588
01:20:36,987 --> 01:20:37,747
Speaker 3: the rain and Perth.

1589
01:20:37,947 --> 01:20:38,347
Speaker 13: Yeah it was.

1590
01:20:38,507 --> 01:20:38,747
Speaker 12: It was.

1591
01:20:39,067 --> 01:20:42,147
Speaker 7: I mean Origin just seldom disappoints. And I think that,

1592
01:20:42,747 --> 01:20:44,667
Speaker 7: you know, the first ten minutes of an Origin game

1593
01:20:44,747 --> 01:20:47,307
Speaker 7: of exactly what every promoter would want. And I mean

1594
01:20:47,947 --> 01:20:50,347
Speaker 7: at times I think it was Rivers Raihan who ran

1595
01:20:50,427 --> 01:20:52,947
Speaker 7: the ran the bullbacks so strongly last night. A couple

1596
01:20:52,987 --> 01:20:55,947
Speaker 7: of big hits and even the tackle what by Daniel

1597
01:20:56,027 --> 01:20:59,947
Speaker 7: Honor on branden En, all that sort of Origin esque

1598
01:20:59,987 --> 01:21:02,347
Speaker 7: But yeah, that that that for me is the benchmark

1599
01:21:02,427 --> 01:21:07,547
Speaker 7: of like Pinnacle Club or Rep Rugby. But the other

1600
01:21:07,587 --> 01:21:09,547
Speaker 7: thing I did want to touch on Piney because I

1601
01:21:09,627 --> 01:21:13,147
Speaker 7: know you're a soccer football man like myself. Seeing Auckland

1602
01:21:13,227 --> 01:21:16,467
Speaker 7: City get spanked over at the Club World Cup says

1603
01:21:16,507 --> 01:21:19,027
Speaker 7: to me that that system has to change. There has

1604
01:21:19,147 --> 01:21:21,507
Speaker 7: to be a way a work around where we do

1605
01:21:21,667 --> 01:21:25,507
Speaker 7: send oceany as best club team, which is Auckland FC.

1606
01:21:26,107 --> 01:21:27,787
Speaker 7: They have to find a way that there is a

1607
01:21:27,787 --> 01:21:30,707
Speaker 7: playoff system. I know they play in an Asian league

1608
01:21:30,747 --> 01:21:33,827
Speaker 7: because of the A League being Australian and that Ozzie's

1609
01:21:33,867 --> 01:21:37,627
Speaker 7: in Asia, but for all intents and purposes, the best

1610
01:21:37,627 --> 01:21:39,387
Speaker 7: team in Oceany is Auckland f C.

1611
01:21:39,587 --> 01:21:40,107
Speaker 6: They have to go.

1612
01:21:40,627 --> 01:21:42,827
Speaker 3: I think you'll find that that is exactly what happens

1613
01:21:43,067 --> 01:21:45,827
Speaker 3: from now on, and maybe what's happened to Auckland City

1614
01:21:45,987 --> 01:21:48,387
Speaker 3: try as they have a ten nil and a six

1615
01:21:48,507 --> 01:21:50,747
Speaker 3: nil and who knows what happening is Bocker juniors. I

1616
01:21:50,747 --> 01:21:53,787
Speaker 3: think you'll find that maybe that is the catalyst for change. Hey, well,

1617
01:21:53,827 --> 01:21:56,867
Speaker 3: thank you for one upping Liam Napier and coming into

1618
01:21:57,467 --> 01:21:59,867
Speaker 3: your place of work for a chat that I mate,

1619
01:21:59,987 --> 01:22:01,507
Speaker 3: It's been good, good to chat as all ways.

1620
01:22:01,587 --> 01:22:04,187
Speaker 7: Thanks mate, There's too many Crusaders jerseys in this office,

1621
01:22:04,227 --> 01:22:05,227
Speaker 7: but I'm leaving right now.

1622
01:22:05,387 --> 01:22:05,627
Speaker 13: Thank you.

1623
01:22:06,707 --> 01:22:09,587
Speaker 3: Love it made always love you your contributions to our show.

1624
01:22:09,667 --> 01:22:11,907
Speaker 3: James mcconey a big part of our Sundays seven to

1625
01:22:11,987 --> 01:22:12,987
Speaker 3: two News Talks EDB.

1626
01:22:14,987 --> 01:22:19,947
Speaker 1: Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fields, weekend

1627
01:22:20,027 --> 01:22:22,947
Speaker 1: sport with Jason Pin News Talk ZENB.

1628
01:22:23,667 --> 01:22:25,107
Speaker 3: News Talk's have been coming up three and a half

1629
01:22:25,147 --> 01:22:27,387
Speaker 3: away from two after two. In case you missed it,

1630
01:22:27,467 --> 01:22:28,947
Speaker 3: we'll bring up today with a bunch of stuff you

1631
01:22:29,067 --> 01:22:32,267
Speaker 3: might have missed and then this very interesting story that

1632
01:22:32,387 --> 01:22:36,427
Speaker 3: broke on Friday evening that Peter Berling has not been

1633
01:22:36,627 --> 01:22:39,667
Speaker 3: unemployed for long in the America's Cup space, he will

1634
01:22:39,747 --> 01:22:43,867
Speaker 3: join Luna Rossa. How big a boost is this to

1635
01:22:43,987 --> 01:22:45,707
Speaker 3: Luna Rosser? More on that after two.

1636
01:22:47,227 --> 01:22:50,067
Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

1637
01:22:50,547 --> 01:22:51,707
Speaker 1: and after fields.

1638
01:22:52,227 --> 01:22:54,067
Speaker 14: It's all on Weekend Sport.

1639
01:22:53,867 --> 01:22:56,987
Speaker 1: With Jason Pine on your home of Sport.

1640
01:22:58,067 --> 01:22:58,827
Speaker 2: News, Talk.

1641
01:23:00,187 --> 01:23:03,507
Speaker 3: News, TALKSB and Weekend Sport. Just on seven past two.

1642
01:23:03,587 --> 01:23:05,307
Speaker 3: Welcome into the show, Welcome back to the show. We're

1643
01:23:05,307 --> 01:23:07,667
Speaker 3: here till three. Then Tim Be takes over for the

1644
01:23:07,747 --> 01:23:11,827
Speaker 3: Sunday edition of the Weekend Collect that the show's coming

1645
01:23:11,867 --> 01:23:14,067
Speaker 3: in from coming to you from christ Church, where there

1646
01:23:14,147 --> 01:23:16,667
Speaker 3: is still a rosy glow around the city. I can

1647
01:23:16,707 --> 01:23:21,227
Speaker 3: say it's yeah. I think you get to feel about

1648
01:23:21,227 --> 01:23:25,067
Speaker 3: a place, don't you, The day after a significant sporting win,

1649
01:23:25,787 --> 01:23:27,827
Speaker 3: and just walking around christ Church this morning, it was

1650
01:23:28,027 --> 01:23:32,387
Speaker 3: a bit chilly, but crisp, cool and clear, a lot

1651
01:23:32,427 --> 01:23:34,787
Speaker 3: of red and black around, a lot of happy people,

1652
01:23:34,787 --> 01:23:37,267
Speaker 3: a lot of happy punters. We've got a bit more

1653
01:23:37,307 --> 01:23:39,307
Speaker 3: on this game at the back end of the show

1654
01:23:40,107 --> 01:23:43,187
Speaker 3: before we get to that, though. The news that landed

1655
01:23:43,227 --> 01:23:45,587
Speaker 3: sort of late Friday evening or sort of mid evening,

1656
01:23:45,587 --> 01:23:47,347
Speaker 3: I guess you'd say about six seven o'clock Friday evening,

1657
01:23:48,827 --> 01:23:52,267
Speaker 3: dropped into our own boxes about Peter Berling. Peter Berling

1658
01:23:52,387 --> 01:23:55,067
Speaker 3: is going to Luna Rossa. Look, we knew he wasn't

1659
01:23:55,067 --> 01:23:57,067
Speaker 3: going to be at emirateste In New Zealand anymore. That

1660
01:23:57,307 --> 01:24:00,347
Speaker 3: decision was made a couple of months back. But I

1661
01:24:00,427 --> 01:24:03,827
Speaker 3: think we also knew that we weren't going to be

1662
01:24:04,027 --> 01:24:07,027
Speaker 3: without Peter Berling in and America's Cup very long, and

1663
01:24:07,187 --> 01:24:10,827
Speaker 3: so it's proved he's joining Luna Rosser. Professor Mark Orm's

1664
01:24:10,987 --> 01:24:13,787
Speaker 3: standing by the chat to us about this. The I

1665
01:24:13,827 --> 01:24:15,947
Speaker 3: guess one of the interesting parts of this is that,

1666
01:24:16,107 --> 01:24:18,467
Speaker 3: as I understand it, and Mirk will be able to

1667
01:24:18,507 --> 01:24:22,747
Speaker 3: explain this, it is an off the water roll because

1668
01:24:22,787 --> 01:24:26,027
Speaker 3: there are rules in the America's Cup that and again

1669
01:24:26,347 --> 01:24:29,507
Speaker 3: Professor ORMs will explain this that if you've sailed for

1670
01:24:29,587 --> 01:24:33,107
Speaker 3: a syndicate in the previous regatta, you can't sail for

1671
01:24:33,227 --> 01:24:36,587
Speaker 3: a different syndicate in the next one. So Peter Berling

1672
01:24:36,747 --> 01:24:40,947
Speaker 3: helmed Emirates Team New Zealand to victory in the last one.

1673
01:24:41,107 --> 01:24:43,187
Speaker 3: So presumably if the rules stay the same and there's

1674
01:24:43,227 --> 01:24:46,787
Speaker 3: no suggestion that they won't. He can't sail actually get

1675
01:24:46,827 --> 01:24:50,027
Speaker 3: out on the boat for Luna Rossa in the next

1676
01:24:50,067 --> 01:24:53,587
Speaker 3: America's Cup Regatta. He can obviously, you know, perform it

1677
01:24:53,667 --> 01:24:56,827
Speaker 3: off the water roll but no, Peter Berling seems to

1678
01:24:56,907 --> 01:24:59,107
Speaker 3: me like a sailor who wants the spray on his face.

1679
01:24:59,227 --> 01:25:03,107
Speaker 3: He wants to be out there on the water. Anyway,

1680
01:25:03,667 --> 01:25:06,947
Speaker 3: we'll discuss that. Paul Gallon's on the show. Paul Gallon's

1681
01:25:06,947 --> 01:25:10,027
Speaker 3: going to fight Sonny Bill Williams next month in Sydney.

1682
01:25:10,827 --> 01:25:13,347
Speaker 3: After ten years of verbal sparring, they're finally going to

1683
01:25:13,387 --> 01:25:15,867
Speaker 3: do the real thing. So Paul Gallon on that and

1684
01:25:17,147 --> 01:25:20,427
Speaker 3: be interested to hear his thoughts on Sunny Bill Williams

1685
01:25:20,507 --> 01:25:23,307
Speaker 3: claims that he uses performance and enhancing drugs. Says with

1686
01:25:23,467 --> 01:25:25,467
Speaker 3: us and today, while I was in christ Church this

1687
01:25:25,587 --> 01:25:27,707
Speaker 3: morning before the show, got the chance to get to

1688
01:25:27,907 --> 01:25:31,147
Speaker 3: Takaha the new stadium here in the Garden City, which

1689
01:25:31,267 --> 01:25:38,627
Speaker 3: is nearing its its construction completion, shall we say, really

1690
01:25:38,707 --> 01:25:41,107
Speaker 3: really exciting to see it go up in the CBD

1691
01:25:41,267 --> 01:25:43,107
Speaker 3: here in christ Church. Had a bit of a chat

1692
01:25:43,187 --> 01:25:47,147
Speaker 3: to one of the I's gonna say one of the organizers,

1693
01:25:47,227 --> 01:25:49,587
Speaker 3: he's not the organizers. One of those involved in the

1694
01:25:49,627 --> 01:25:53,347
Speaker 3: construction of the stadium got that to play for you

1695
01:25:53,427 --> 01:25:56,427
Speaker 3: before three o'clock as well. All lines of communication always

1696
01:25:56,467 --> 01:25:58,547
Speaker 3: open our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two

1697
01:25:58,627 --> 01:26:01,187
Speaker 3: nine two on text approaching ten past two, as we

1698
01:26:01,267 --> 01:26:03,987
Speaker 3: always do at aaranabet this time on weekendsport, Let's get

1699
01:26:04,027 --> 01:26:06,027
Speaker 3: you up to date with some of the things that

1700
01:26:06,107 --> 01:26:08,507
Speaker 3: you might have missed, some of the things that might

1701
01:26:08,547 --> 01:26:11,147
Speaker 3: have escaped your intention in the last little while. It's

1702
01:26:11,187 --> 01:26:13,667
Speaker 3: in case you missed it. Starting in the NRL, the

1703
01:26:13,787 --> 01:26:19,907
Speaker 3: Newcastle Knights have continued their inconsistent season, but in positive fashion.

1704
01:26:19,947 --> 01:26:21,307
Speaker 3: They beat the Dolphins last night.

1705
01:26:22,027 --> 01:26:24,867
Speaker 19: Wiv Doe coming forward, didn't get there.

1706
01:26:25,187 --> 01:26:29,027
Speaker 3: He touched the ball. Here is best for saying still

1707
01:26:29,107 --> 01:26:30,627
Speaker 3: the last broke.

1708
01:26:30,427 --> 01:26:34,747
Speaker 6: Water reach out, did he keep his hand off the ground?

1709
01:26:35,307 --> 01:26:37,907
Speaker 3: It looked as though he did that last minute try,

1710
01:26:37,947 --> 01:26:41,147
Speaker 3: giving the Knights the twenty six twenty victory. Meantime, it

1711
01:26:41,267 --> 01:26:44,467
Speaker 3: was even later in the Storm Rabbitos game to find

1712
01:26:44,507 --> 01:26:44,867
Speaker 3: a winner.

1713
01:26:46,067 --> 01:26:49,587
Speaker 10: Papenhausen's about fifteen meters behind the play just left on

1714
01:26:49,667 --> 01:26:50,067
Speaker 10: the post.

1715
01:26:50,307 --> 01:26:54,347
Speaker 6: Here he comes got us.

1716
01:26:55,067 --> 01:26:58,467
Speaker 9: Paven Housen get's the wind for the velvet storm.

1717
01:26:59,067 --> 01:27:02,267
Speaker 3: He the storm and out last the bunnies. Hit a

1718
01:27:02,427 --> 01:27:05,827
Speaker 3: second half hairpit, that golden point winner from Ryan Pappenhausen,

1719
01:27:05,867 --> 01:27:08,507
Speaker 3: putting the st up to third on the NRL Ladder

1720
01:27:08,587 --> 01:27:12,227
Speaker 3: to cricket. A burg century from Olie. Pope has kept

1721
01:27:12,307 --> 01:27:15,667
Speaker 3: England and with a fighting chance and their test against India,

1722
01:27:18,147 --> 01:27:20,547
Speaker 3: he'll get there. He will get there.

1723
01:27:21,867 --> 01:27:23,627
Speaker 2: And celebrate in sun style.

1724
01:27:23,867 --> 01:27:26,947
Speaker 3: The external noise around Folly Pope, his position in the

1725
01:27:27,067 --> 01:27:30,187
Speaker 3: site has been raging and he has answered it in

1726
01:27:30,307 --> 01:27:34,147
Speaker 3: the best way possible. England two hundred and nine for

1727
01:27:34,267 --> 01:27:36,867
Speaker 3: three in reply to India's four hundred and seventy one

1728
01:27:36,907 --> 01:27:40,627
Speaker 3: and their first innings to supercars. A great day out

1729
01:27:40,827 --> 01:27:42,467
Speaker 3: in Darwin for brock Feenie.

1730
01:27:42,667 --> 01:27:45,587
Speaker 27: Coming out of the final corner as it was for

1731
01:27:45,707 --> 01:27:49,227
Speaker 27: the last two races in Western Australia, rock Peenie once

1732
01:27:49,307 --> 01:27:51,987
Speaker 27: again puts a perfect drive together in maximum points in

1733
01:27:52,067 --> 01:27:54,827
Speaker 27: the first race in Darwin for a foreign victory.

1734
01:27:55,347 --> 01:27:58,427
Speaker 3: So it's been a perfect score so far for rock Feenie.

1735
01:27:58,787 --> 01:28:01,827
Speaker 27: So far this weekend he has had two pole positions

1736
01:28:02,027 --> 01:28:04,387
Speaker 27: and he has had two race victories.

1737
01:28:04,547 --> 01:28:07,187
Speaker 3: Indeed two races two wins for the of the Car's leader,

1738
01:28:07,507 --> 01:28:10,827
Speaker 3: making it for race wins in a row. Our men's

1739
01:28:10,907 --> 01:28:15,227
Speaker 3: Black Sticks have defended their Nations League Hockey title, thrashing

1740
01:28:15,347 --> 01:28:19,027
Speaker 3: Pakistan six to two in the final in Malaysia. They

1741
01:28:19,067 --> 01:28:21,187
Speaker 3: were five mil up at a half time. Captain Nick

1742
01:28:21,227 --> 01:28:22,747
Speaker 3: Woods was Player of the Tournament.

1743
01:28:23,267 --> 01:28:25,067
Speaker 28: It's nice to have one of those games where things

1744
01:28:25,147 --> 01:28:27,267
Speaker 28: just come together and it all clicked today. So I'm

1745
01:28:27,347 --> 01:28:29,707
Speaker 28: very happy to happen in the final, and I'm very

1746
01:28:29,747 --> 01:28:32,267
Speaker 28: happy for our success and looking forward to what we

1747
01:28:32,787 --> 01:28:33,547
Speaker 28: accomplished together.

1748
01:28:34,387 --> 01:28:38,187
Speaker 3: And plenty of kiwe golfers in action. Lydia Co at

1749
01:28:38,227 --> 01:28:40,987
Speaker 3: the Women's PGA Championship back to here with.

1750
01:28:41,027 --> 01:28:45,787
Speaker 13: The second shots on the fifth hole all week begg first, bounce, shop, yeah,

1751
01:28:45,947 --> 01:28:49,227
Speaker 13: pitching it far enough short and that is perfection from

1752
01:28:49,347 --> 01:28:50,867
Speaker 13: Lydia Coo, what a shot.

1753
01:28:50,947 --> 01:28:53,507
Speaker 3: That is a tough outing for everybody. Only two players

1754
01:28:53,547 --> 01:28:56,627
Speaker 3: under par. Lydia is tied for twenty six at six over.

1755
01:28:57,187 --> 01:29:00,347
Speaker 3: Ryan Fox, meantime is at the Travelers Championship.

1756
01:29:00,707 --> 01:29:03,907
Speaker 20: Ryan Fox given it a go from two thirty two,

1757
01:29:04,947 --> 01:29:07,347
Speaker 20: had a beauty here look at is.

1758
01:29:08,827 --> 01:29:12,387
Speaker 3: He'll have that for eagle and gets it.

1759
01:29:14,347 --> 01:29:14,827
Speaker 20: One hunder.

1760
01:29:14,907 --> 01:29:18,267
Speaker 3: Parnow two under for the tournament tied for thirty seventh

1761
01:29:18,387 --> 01:29:21,627
Speaker 3: and Steven Elker, who finds himself tied for the lead

1762
01:29:21,707 --> 01:29:26,347
Speaker 3: at the Senior Players Championship, eyeing up a second career major.

1763
01:29:29,547 --> 01:29:35,627
Speaker 2: A tough stretch of halls right now, that is something?

1764
01:29:35,987 --> 01:29:36,427
Speaker 14: Why not?

1765
01:29:37,627 --> 01:29:40,667
Speaker 1: Indeed, Alcer's third birdie of the day gets him to

1766
01:29:40,787 --> 01:29:42,187
Speaker 1: within one of the lead.

1767
01:29:42,427 --> 01:29:43,227
Speaker 13: What a great uh.

1768
01:29:43,827 --> 01:29:47,467
Speaker 1: Analyzing every view from every angle in the Sporting World

1769
01:29:47,667 --> 01:29:53,307
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Piell, TALKSB.

1770
01:29:53,667 --> 01:29:57,707
Speaker 3: News, TALKSB and Weekend Sport coming up. Fourteen minutes past two.

1771
01:29:57,867 --> 01:30:01,587
Speaker 3: The news broke on Friday night that three time America's

1772
01:30:01,627 --> 01:30:05,267
Speaker 3: Cup winning helmsman with Emirates Team New Zealand Peter Berling

1773
01:30:05,507 --> 01:30:09,027
Speaker 3: will join Lunar Rossa for the next America's Cup. Former

1774
01:30:09,067 --> 01:30:11,787
Speaker 3: New Zealand and World champion sailor Team New Zealand member

1775
01:30:11,907 --> 01:30:15,027
Speaker 3: and sailing professor Mark Orhams is with us to break

1776
01:30:15,067 --> 01:30:17,427
Speaker 3: this down. Mark. First of all, when you heard this news,

1777
01:30:17,507 --> 01:30:19,187
Speaker 3: were you surprised by it?

1778
01:30:20,827 --> 01:30:20,947
Speaker 15: Oh?

1779
01:30:21,107 --> 01:30:23,507
Speaker 9: Not too much of a surprise, given that we had

1780
01:30:23,547 --> 01:30:26,347
Speaker 9: already heard that Peter Berling was not going to be

1781
01:30:26,907 --> 01:30:29,547
Speaker 9: around within the Team New Zealand ranks for the thirty

1782
01:30:29,587 --> 01:30:31,907
Speaker 9: eighth America's Cup, so it was only a matter of

1783
01:30:32,027 --> 01:30:34,427
Speaker 9: time before one of the other challenges picked them up.

1784
01:30:34,827 --> 01:30:37,307
Speaker 9: Such a good get, and the fact that Lerna Rossa

1785
01:30:37,387 --> 01:30:41,787
Speaker 9: prior to Pralli ended up with Pete as a massive

1786
01:30:41,867 --> 01:30:42,427
Speaker 9: coup for them.

1787
01:30:42,827 --> 01:30:45,707
Speaker 3: How much demand would Peter Berling have been in Would

1788
01:30:45,707 --> 01:30:48,147
Speaker 3: his phone have started ringing or not his phone maybe

1789
01:30:48,187 --> 01:30:50,467
Speaker 3: but his agent's phone or whoever looks after these things.

1790
01:30:50,467 --> 01:30:53,867
Speaker 3: Would there have been immediate contact made with his representatives

1791
01:30:53,907 --> 01:30:56,747
Speaker 3: once it was known he was leaving Emirates Team New Zealand.

1792
01:30:57,347 --> 01:30:59,427
Speaker 9: Oh absolutely. In fact, I think there would have been

1793
01:30:59,587 --> 01:31:03,547
Speaker 9: communication and just sort of sounding out with Peter long

1794
01:31:03,627 --> 01:31:06,987
Speaker 9: before that, immediately after the end of the Lastmerica's Cup.

1795
01:31:07,507 --> 01:31:10,507
Speaker 9: Remembering that this is somebody who has a track record

1796
01:31:10,627 --> 01:31:13,707
Speaker 9: now second to none, including Russell Coops in terms of

1797
01:31:13,787 --> 01:31:18,627
Speaker 9: America's Cups, Skipper's victories and the Youth America's Cup before that.

1798
01:31:18,907 --> 01:31:23,547
Speaker 9: So Pete Berling is as an outstanding all round sailor.

1799
01:31:23,947 --> 01:31:28,187
Speaker 9: He's technically very very smart, and from Luna Rossa prior

1800
01:31:28,227 --> 01:31:31,987
Speaker 9: Farelli's perspective, this elevates them now to a very very

1801
01:31:32,027 --> 01:31:33,067
Speaker 9: strong position.

1802
01:31:33,627 --> 01:31:36,587
Speaker 3: In terms of what he can and can't do at

1803
01:31:36,667 --> 01:31:39,947
Speaker 3: Luna Rossa under the nationality rule. Smart, can you just

1804
01:31:40,067 --> 01:31:42,427
Speaker 3: explain where we are with that right now?

1805
01:31:43,507 --> 01:31:46,467
Speaker 9: Yes, certainly so. At the moment, the protocol for the

1806
01:31:46,547 --> 01:31:49,147
Speaker 9: thirty eighth America's Cup is still a draft so yet

1807
01:31:49,187 --> 01:31:53,427
Speaker 9: to be finalized between the defender Emirates Team New Zealand

1808
01:31:53,467 --> 01:31:56,267
Speaker 9: and the challenger of record a seen a racing that's

1809
01:31:56,307 --> 01:32:00,027
Speaker 9: been Ainsley's name of his new team, But within the

1810
01:32:00,147 --> 01:32:04,627
Speaker 9: draft protocol it puts forward exactly the same restrictions as

1811
01:32:04,747 --> 01:32:07,627
Speaker 9: for the thirty seventh America's Cut up last time, and

1812
01:32:07,787 --> 01:32:10,267
Speaker 9: that being that if you've sailed for a team in

1813
01:32:10,427 --> 01:32:15,467
Speaker 9: the America's Cup immediately prior, you're not allowed to actually

1814
01:32:15,627 --> 01:32:18,867
Speaker 9: sail for your new team in the subsequent Cup. So

1815
01:32:19,107 --> 01:32:22,587
Speaker 9: if that protocol is confirmed for the thirty eighth America's Cup,

1816
01:32:22,667 --> 01:32:25,627
Speaker 9: that means Peter Berling will not be permitted to sail

1817
01:32:25,707 --> 01:32:28,827
Speaker 9: on board during the racing. Of course, for practice racing

1818
01:32:30,067 --> 01:32:32,907
Speaker 9: and so on, he can, but during the racing itself

1819
01:32:32,987 --> 01:32:35,507
Speaker 9: he won't be permitted to be part of the sailing team.

1820
01:32:35,867 --> 01:32:38,787
Speaker 3: How much would that dilute his value to Lunarossa.

1821
01:32:40,387 --> 01:32:43,027
Speaker 9: I don't think a huge amount. The value that Pete

1822
01:32:43,067 --> 01:32:47,987
Speaker 9: brings is his experience and especially I think in terms

1823
01:32:48,027 --> 01:32:51,147
Speaker 9: of his understanding of the critical decisions that are made

1824
01:32:51,747 --> 01:32:53,827
Speaker 9: in the years leading up to the America's Cup. So

1825
01:32:54,347 --> 01:32:58,707
Speaker 9: the performance in the America's Cup itself is determined by

1826
01:32:58,827 --> 01:33:02,107
Speaker 9: what happens in the key decisions the years leading up

1827
01:33:02,147 --> 01:33:05,987
Speaker 9: to it, and Peter has been intimately involved with all

1828
01:33:06,067 --> 01:33:09,547
Speaker 9: of those decisions as the skipper and the lead of

1829
01:33:09,667 --> 01:33:11,827
Speaker 9: the sailing team with an Emirates Team New Zealand on

1830
01:33:11,947 --> 01:33:15,947
Speaker 9: the three occasions now that they've won. So that's the

1831
01:33:16,027 --> 01:33:19,267
Speaker 9: big value that he brings. What Leonard Rossi, Prada Prelia

1832
01:33:19,387 --> 01:33:22,107
Speaker 9: doing is setting themselves up for the future. They've already

1833
01:33:22,187 --> 01:33:25,467
Speaker 9: indicated that they are changing out from their long standing

1834
01:33:25,587 --> 01:33:31,187
Speaker 9: helmsman and skippers in Francesco Brunie the Italian and Jimmy Spittle,

1835
01:33:31,627 --> 01:33:35,707
Speaker 9: and they've changed out to two extremely talented Italian sailors,

1836
01:33:36,467 --> 01:33:41,347
Speaker 9: Ruggiero Tito and Marco Griddoni. And they've indicated that before

1837
01:33:41,467 --> 01:33:45,627
Speaker 9: Marco Gradoni is an outstanding talent like Peter Berling before

1838
01:33:45,747 --> 01:33:48,987
Speaker 9: him won the Youth America's Cup last time. So you know,

1839
01:33:49,107 --> 01:33:51,027
Speaker 9: this is a team that is looking to the future

1840
01:33:51,667 --> 01:33:54,947
Speaker 9: and the investment with Peter Berling adds value to bringing

1841
01:33:55,027 --> 01:33:59,587
Speaker 9: those two new talented young helmsman on board to form

1842
01:33:59,627 --> 01:34:01,067
Speaker 9: a very formidable sailing team.

1843
01:34:01,467 --> 01:34:04,147
Speaker 3: I understand all of what you've said about Peter Berling

1844
01:34:04,227 --> 01:34:07,587
Speaker 3: being involved in everything that leads up to them regatter itself,

1845
01:34:07,667 --> 01:34:10,427
Speaker 3: but I don't know Mark. Peter Berling strikes me as

1846
01:34:10,427 --> 01:34:12,907
Speaker 3: an on the water sailor. He wants the ocean spray

1847
01:34:12,987 --> 01:34:15,347
Speaker 3: in his face. That's how I feel about Peter Berling.

1848
01:34:15,387 --> 01:34:18,067
Speaker 3: How would he go in an off the water roll?

1849
01:34:19,667 --> 01:34:22,427
Speaker 9: I think you'll add enormous value where Peter And this

1850
01:34:22,587 --> 01:34:27,067
Speaker 9: is really what caused the I guess the decision from

1851
01:34:27,147 --> 01:34:31,107
Speaker 9: Grand Bolton for Peter not to continue on with Emirates

1852
01:34:31,147 --> 01:34:34,547
Speaker 9: team isyonder, is that Peter is very much focused on

1853
01:34:35,427 --> 01:34:39,027
Speaker 9: the Black Foils and the sale GP given them. You

1854
01:34:39,107 --> 01:34:42,427
Speaker 9: think about a competitive person like Peter Berling three straight

1855
01:34:42,467 --> 01:34:45,307
Speaker 9: America's Cups, but what he hasn't done is he hasn't

1856
01:34:45,347 --> 01:34:48,787
Speaker 9: won Sale GP in four straight seasons. He's come close,

1857
01:34:48,907 --> 01:34:51,587
Speaker 9: but this is something he's yet to knock off, and

1858
01:34:51,707 --> 01:34:55,587
Speaker 9: so his competitive ambitions will be really driven to develop

1859
01:34:55,667 --> 01:34:58,427
Speaker 9: the Black Foils to be successful in something that they

1860
01:34:58,507 --> 01:35:01,507
Speaker 9: haven't knocked off yet, so he will get in effect

1861
01:35:01,587 --> 01:35:06,667
Speaker 9: his competitive sailing fixed through his sale gp Endeavors lunar

1862
01:35:06,707 --> 01:35:09,267
Speaker 9: Rosi Prator Pralli will be him at a stage in

1863
01:35:09,307 --> 01:35:11,307
Speaker 9: his life and career in the America's Cup where I

1864
01:35:11,347 --> 01:35:13,987
Speaker 9: think he'll get satisfaction out of seeing the value he

1865
01:35:14,067 --> 01:35:18,907
Speaker 9: can add to developing some rookie America's Cup helms people

1866
01:35:19,027 --> 01:35:23,307
Speaker 9: in the new team that they're bringing together on this

1867
01:35:23,747 --> 01:35:25,027
Speaker 9: sailing crew for Lunarossa.

1868
01:35:25,547 --> 01:35:27,427
Speaker 3: If you look into your crystal ball, then beyond the

1869
01:35:27,547 --> 01:35:30,107
Speaker 3: thirty eighth to the thirty ninth when presumably if the

1870
01:35:30,187 --> 01:35:32,707
Speaker 3: rules stay the same, he would be eligible to get

1871
01:35:32,747 --> 01:35:34,987
Speaker 3: back on the boat. Can you see him doing that

1872
01:35:35,147 --> 01:35:37,147
Speaker 3: or do you think that for the America's Cup he'll

1873
01:35:37,187 --> 01:35:38,947
Speaker 3: be off the water and as on the water stuff

1874
01:35:38,947 --> 01:35:40,747
Speaker 3: will be with the Black Boys moving forward.

1875
01:35:42,307 --> 01:35:44,787
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's a good question. Hard to know. I mean,

1876
01:35:45,307 --> 01:35:48,587
Speaker 9: whole there's a whole bunch of things that will determine that.

1877
01:35:48,907 --> 01:35:53,747
Speaker 9: I think Peter Berling will certainly had the talent and

1878
01:35:53,867 --> 01:35:56,587
Speaker 9: certainly the experience to be successful if he was to

1879
01:35:56,667 --> 01:35:59,507
Speaker 9: come back to a sailing position. Whether the thirty ninths

1880
01:35:59,507 --> 01:36:02,027
Speaker 9: America's Cup will allow him to do that will largely

1881
01:36:02,107 --> 01:36:04,587
Speaker 9: depend on who wins the thirty eighth America's Cup and

1882
01:36:04,627 --> 01:36:07,467
Speaker 9: the rules that they set for the next edition, So

1883
01:36:07,907 --> 01:36:09,267
Speaker 9: you know, there are a whole bunch of things that

1884
01:36:09,307 --> 01:36:11,907
Speaker 9: would need to happen there. But Peter Burley's not done yet.

1885
01:36:12,867 --> 01:36:14,707
Speaker 9: One of the things about the sport of sailing is

1886
01:36:14,747 --> 01:36:18,027
Speaker 9: that you can stay very competitive, unlike many other sports,

1887
01:36:18,107 --> 01:36:20,747
Speaker 9: into your forties. Remembering that Peter Burley is still in

1888
01:36:20,787 --> 01:36:25,387
Speaker 9: his thirties, so he's not done yet and wouldn't surprise

1889
01:36:25,507 --> 01:36:28,667
Speaker 9: me to see him helming in America's Cup boat again

1890
01:36:28,827 --> 01:36:29,907
Speaker 9: sometime down the track.

1891
01:36:29,907 --> 01:36:32,347
Speaker 3: Well on or off the water, and likely off the

1892
01:36:32,387 --> 01:36:35,147
Speaker 3: water for the thirty eighth. Then how much does this

1893
01:36:35,307 --> 01:36:38,827
Speaker 3: boost Lunar Rossa. Are they now likely to be the

1894
01:36:38,947 --> 01:36:40,827
Speaker 3: challenger for the thirty eighth America's Cup.

1895
01:36:41,587 --> 01:36:43,907
Speaker 9: Well, it's a long way out, but what we know

1896
01:36:44,307 --> 01:36:47,587
Speaker 9: is that the key decisions that you make now determine

1897
01:36:47,627 --> 01:36:49,827
Speaker 9: how competitive you're going to be when it comes to

1898
01:36:49,947 --> 01:36:52,827
Speaker 9: race time. And remembering that this cycle is quite short,

1899
01:36:52,947 --> 01:36:55,947
Speaker 9: it's only two years until the next America's Cup series,

1900
01:36:56,747 --> 01:36:59,427
Speaker 9: so Lunarrosa prator probably have a number of things in

1901
01:36:59,507 --> 01:37:02,107
Speaker 9: their favor now. One is that are a very very

1902
01:37:02,187 --> 01:37:06,267
Speaker 9: stable and competitive team. They've got continuity in terms of

1903
01:37:06,507 --> 01:37:09,747
Speaker 9: key personnel, in terms of sponsors, so they don't have

1904
01:37:09,867 --> 01:37:12,707
Speaker 9: to go out there and hustle like Ben Ainsley's having

1905
01:37:12,747 --> 01:37:14,227
Speaker 9: to do at the moment to try and sort of

1906
01:37:14,307 --> 01:37:18,267
Speaker 9: resurrect his team post Anios breakup. So they've got that continuity.

1907
01:37:18,667 --> 01:37:22,147
Speaker 9: They've recruited extremely well. And by the way, Peter Burley

1908
01:37:22,227 --> 01:37:24,587
Speaker 9: is not the only ex Emirates Team New Zealand member.

1909
01:37:24,667 --> 01:37:27,787
Speaker 9: Josh Jr. One of the key members of Emirates Team

1910
01:37:27,787 --> 01:37:30,707
Speaker 9: New Zealand's success, moved to Lunarosa Prator Parali at the

1911
01:37:30,747 --> 01:37:34,427
Speaker 9: beginning of this year, so they've built their stocks and

1912
01:37:34,547 --> 01:37:36,787
Speaker 9: of course they've now got and effect the home court

1913
01:37:36,827 --> 01:37:41,067
Speaker 9: advantage with the announcement that Naples is the host of

1914
01:37:41,107 --> 01:37:43,587
Speaker 9: the thirty eighth America's Cup. That's only a very short

1915
01:37:44,187 --> 01:37:47,667
Speaker 9: distance from the base at the southern end of Sidonia

1916
01:37:47,747 --> 01:37:50,507
Speaker 9: where Lunarosa Prator Parrelli is, So there's a whole bunch

1917
01:37:50,547 --> 01:37:54,147
Speaker 9: of things stacking up in favor of Lunarosa Prator Parlli.

1918
01:37:54,227 --> 01:37:56,707
Speaker 9: Now they will be a formidable team. They already are.

1919
01:37:57,067 --> 01:38:00,107
Speaker 9: They're even more formidable now, So you would have to

1920
01:38:00,187 --> 01:38:03,227
Speaker 9: say that at this stage, even though it's two years away,

1921
01:38:03,347 --> 01:38:05,267
Speaker 9: they are in the box seat to be the challenger,

1922
01:38:05,347 --> 01:38:07,787
Speaker 9: and they will be a very strong challenger if they

1923
01:38:07,907 --> 01:38:10,267
Speaker 9: get through the series to challenge for the thirty eighth

1924
01:38:10,267 --> 01:38:10,987
Speaker 9: America's Cup.

1925
01:38:11,467 --> 01:38:14,547
Speaker 3: Mark what about the dynamic between Peter Berling and some

1926
01:38:14,707 --> 01:38:17,107
Speaker 3: of his Black Foils teammates, And I think about Blair Chuck,

1927
01:38:17,147 --> 01:38:22,347
Speaker 3: for example, who he is a teammate of with the

1928
01:38:22,427 --> 01:38:25,507
Speaker 3: Black Foils and Sale GP and now will presumably be

1929
01:38:25,987 --> 01:38:29,547
Speaker 3: an adversary of during the America's Cup. How would those

1930
01:38:30,067 --> 01:38:31,267
Speaker 3: dynamics play out.

1931
01:38:32,307 --> 01:38:34,907
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's an interesting point, isn't it? I think? And

1932
01:38:35,067 --> 01:38:37,147
Speaker 9: this is not the first time where we've seen the

1933
01:38:37,227 --> 01:38:42,987
Speaker 9: sort of the type four of the basis of Emirates

1934
01:38:43,027 --> 01:38:46,187
Speaker 9: Team New Zealand and the Black Foils. Andy Maloney was

1935
01:38:46,787 --> 01:38:48,867
Speaker 9: quite a surprise when he chose to move on from

1936
01:38:48,867 --> 01:38:51,227
Speaker 9: the Black Foils and he's now sailing for the Brazilian

1937
01:38:51,307 --> 01:38:55,467
Speaker 9: team in Sale GP, but he's remaining with Emirates Team

1938
01:38:55,467 --> 01:38:59,387
Speaker 9: New Zealand. So and Blair Chuck of course, and Pete

1939
01:38:59,427 --> 01:39:03,547
Speaker 9: Berlin there type they've been great mates Olympic partners for

1940
01:39:04,427 --> 01:39:09,187
Speaker 9: three campaigns and and co CEOs of the Black Foils.

1941
01:39:09,267 --> 01:39:13,387
Speaker 9: So you know, those friendships I think transcend who these

1942
01:39:13,467 --> 01:39:16,587
Speaker 9: people are competing for. They run long, they run deep,

1943
01:39:16,987 --> 01:39:19,947
Speaker 9: and we're in a stage now. I think in professional

1944
01:39:20,067 --> 01:39:23,827
Speaker 9: sailing where people moving and competing for different teams, there

1945
01:39:23,907 --> 01:39:25,507
Speaker 9: the analogous to what we see in a lot of

1946
01:39:25,587 --> 01:39:30,307
Speaker 9: other professional sports where those friendships remain. You're absolutely fear

1947
01:39:30,307 --> 01:39:33,107
Speaker 9: as competitors, in this case on the water or in

1948
01:39:33,187 --> 01:39:36,587
Speaker 9: other places on the field, on the court, but off

1949
01:39:36,667 --> 01:39:38,987
Speaker 9: the court or off the field, off the water, you

1950
01:39:39,067 --> 01:39:41,707
Speaker 9: still retain those friendships in the respect that's been built

1951
01:39:41,747 --> 01:39:45,067
Speaker 9: over decades of sailing with and now sailing against one another.

1952
01:39:45,507 --> 01:39:47,827
Speaker 3: Fascinating times ahead, Mark, thanks so much for joining us

1953
01:39:47,867 --> 01:39:50,507
Speaker 3: this afternoon and lending us your analysis. Really appreciate it,

1954
01:39:51,227 --> 01:39:54,307
Speaker 3: absolute pleasure. No thanks, mate, that's our professor, Mark Oram's

1955
01:39:54,347 --> 01:39:58,107
Speaker 3: sailing professor, Mark Orams, former New Zealand and World champion

1956
01:39:58,187 --> 01:39:59,627
Speaker 3: sailor and Team New Zealand member.

1957
01:39:59,867 --> 01:40:00,067
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1958
01:40:00,307 --> 01:40:02,067
Speaker 3: Look, I don't think any of us thought that Peter

1959
01:40:02,147 --> 01:40:06,147
Speaker 3: Berlin would do nothing when he left Emirates Team New Zealand.

1960
01:40:07,307 --> 01:40:09,827
Speaker 3: I guess we maybe thought that he would just put

1961
01:40:09,867 --> 01:40:13,067
Speaker 3: his full focus on the black foils. But he is,

1962
01:40:13,507 --> 01:40:17,707
Speaker 3: as you heard Mark say, one of the greats of

1963
01:40:17,907 --> 01:40:22,907
Speaker 3: America's Cup sailing, a three time winning America's Cup helmsman.

1964
01:40:23,267 --> 01:40:25,267
Speaker 3: Of course he was going to be in demand. His

1965
01:40:25,387 --> 01:40:28,387
Speaker 3: phone would have been ringing, probably even before he made

1966
01:40:28,387 --> 01:40:32,147
Speaker 3: the decision to go. Luna Rossa have secured his signature.

1967
01:40:32,307 --> 01:40:34,667
Speaker 3: Sailing people talk to me about like I say, I

1968
01:40:34,747 --> 01:40:38,267
Speaker 3: feel like, I don't know. Would it be like a

1969
01:40:38,427 --> 01:40:41,227
Speaker 3: motor racing driver who's been driving their whole life? Likely

1970
01:40:41,307 --> 01:40:43,067
Speaker 3: and Lawson, Let's say, if he gets to the stage

1971
01:40:43,107 --> 01:40:46,547
Speaker 3: where you know, he's been doing Grand Prix for a

1972
01:40:46,627 --> 01:40:49,307
Speaker 3: few years, and then someone said, it may come over

1973
01:40:49,387 --> 01:40:51,147
Speaker 3: to our team, but you're not going to drive the car.

1974
01:40:51,747 --> 01:40:54,147
Speaker 3: You're going to be part of part of our off

1975
01:40:54,307 --> 01:40:59,187
Speaker 3: track team. It's probably not a direct analogy, is it.

1976
01:40:59,667 --> 01:41:02,467
Speaker 3: But would Peter Berling sailing people, would you get as

1977
01:41:02,627 --> 01:41:10,907
Speaker 3: much satisfaction and buzz from being on dry land as

1978
01:41:10,987 --> 01:41:13,707
Speaker 3: you would from being out there with the sea in

1979
01:41:13,747 --> 01:41:17,547
Speaker 3: your face and the wind in your sails as it were.

1980
01:41:18,427 --> 01:41:18,787
Speaker 18: I don't know.

1981
01:41:19,307 --> 01:41:21,427
Speaker 3: I don't know Peter Berling at all. I've spoken to

1982
01:41:21,467 --> 01:41:23,987
Speaker 3: him a number of times on the show. Heck of

1983
01:41:24,027 --> 01:41:29,187
Speaker 3: a nice guy, absolutely outstanding sailor. But I don't know. Maybe,

1984
01:41:29,347 --> 01:41:32,627
Speaker 3: as Mark said, he'll get his on the water buzz

1985
01:41:33,387 --> 01:41:37,267
Speaker 3: from the Black Foils, and he'll he'll get a different

1986
01:41:37,387 --> 01:41:40,587
Speaker 3: kind of invigoration by helping Luna Rossa in an off

1987
01:41:40,667 --> 01:41:45,227
Speaker 3: boat capacity fascinating to see. And then when and if

1988
01:41:45,307 --> 01:41:48,267
Speaker 3: look if he stays with Luna Rossa and then becomes

1989
01:41:48,467 --> 01:41:50,467
Speaker 3: eligible if you like to get back on the boat

1990
01:41:50,987 --> 01:41:53,907
Speaker 3: in the thirty ninth America's Cup, the one after the

1991
01:41:54,187 --> 01:41:58,827
Speaker 3: one to come next? Would he get back on two

1992
01:41:58,907 --> 01:42:01,027
Speaker 3: twenty six? Is the time? Ken to he views on

1993
01:42:01,067 --> 01:42:02,467
Speaker 3: that O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty nine,

1994
01:42:02,467 --> 01:42:06,267
Speaker 3: two nine and two on text? And look, the rules

1995
01:42:06,387 --> 01:42:11,547
Speaker 3: always been there. And I guess when Grant Dalton let

1996
01:42:12,667 --> 01:42:14,907
Speaker 3: then let Peter Berlin go. But when they when they

1997
01:42:14,987 --> 01:42:17,907
Speaker 3: parted ways, Grant Dalton would have known. Of course, he

1998
01:42:17,947 --> 01:42:19,867
Speaker 3: would have everybody knew that he wasn't going to better

1999
01:42:19,987 --> 01:42:23,867
Speaker 3: sale in the next regatta. But does that dilute his

2000
01:42:23,947 --> 01:42:27,027
Speaker 3: value by the sounds of things, It doesn't. It's free market,

2001
01:42:27,107 --> 01:42:29,347
Speaker 3: isn't it. People can come and go wherever they like

2002
01:42:29,427 --> 01:42:32,187
Speaker 3: in an America's Cup and the Black Foils, Andy Maloney

2003
01:42:32,227 --> 01:42:34,067
Speaker 3: went to the Brazilian team. You can move around if

2004
01:42:34,067 --> 01:42:37,427
Speaker 3: you want to. Peter Berlings probably feels like he's done

2005
01:42:37,907 --> 01:42:41,667
Speaker 3: all he caned at Team New Zealand. Three America's Cups

2006
01:42:42,827 --> 01:42:45,387
Speaker 3: give me a new challenge to twenty six back after

2007
01:42:45,427 --> 01:42:46,507
Speaker 3: this on Newstalk's HEADB.

2008
01:42:47,067 --> 01:42:50,987
Speaker 1: It's more Than Just a Game, Weekend Sport with Jason

2009
01:42:51,027 --> 01:42:55,067
Speaker 1: Pine and GJ. Gunnomes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder,

2010
01:42:55,187 --> 01:42:56,067
Speaker 1: News Talks, HEB.

2011
01:42:56,987 --> 01:43:01,907
Speaker 3: News Talks, Heab and Weekend Sport. It's two twenty nine.

2012
01:43:02,747 --> 01:43:07,387
Speaker 3: After a decade of increasingly bitter verbal jousting, the biggest

2013
01:43:07,427 --> 01:43:10,707
Speaker 3: Trans Tasman grudge match of all time is finally going

2014
01:43:10,747 --> 01:43:13,827
Speaker 3: to hit the boxing ring. Powered by Minuca Fuel, Sonny

2015
01:43:13,867 --> 01:43:17,427
Speaker 3: Bill Williams and Paul Gallant will finally meet in the

2016
01:43:17,507 --> 01:43:21,507
Speaker 3: boxing ring at Kudos Bank Arena in Sydney on Wednesday,

2017
01:43:21,627 --> 01:43:25,987
Speaker 3: July sixteen from seven thirty New Zealand Time Live and

2018
01:43:26,067 --> 01:43:28,907
Speaker 3: exclusive in New Zealand on pay per view from Sky

2019
01:43:28,987 --> 01:43:32,267
Speaker 3: Arena and Sky Sport. Now, let's bring in Paul Gallon,

2020
01:43:32,347 --> 01:43:36,027
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen NRL Premiership winner with the Sharks, for who

2021
01:43:36,107 --> 01:43:39,187
Speaker 3: he played three hundred and forty eight matches New South

2022
01:43:39,267 --> 01:43:42,627
Speaker 3: Wales state of origin captain, twenty thirteen Rugby League World

2023
01:43:42,667 --> 01:43:46,027
Speaker 3: Cup winner with the Kangaroos and three time Dally M

2024
01:43:46,427 --> 01:43:50,507
Speaker 3: Locke of the Year and Sunny Bill Williams opponent on

2025
01:43:50,747 --> 01:43:53,667
Speaker 3: July sixteen, Paul, Welcome to the show. Why has this

2026
01:43:53,867 --> 01:43:54,787
Speaker 3: taken so long?

2027
01:43:57,027 --> 01:43:59,667
Speaker 15: I have to ask, Yeah, you compatriot Senny Bill Williams,

2028
01:44:00,107 --> 01:44:01,787
Speaker 15: the cow that he didn't want to gain need me.

2029
01:44:02,667 --> 01:44:04,987
Speaker 15: That's pretty much the reason, mate, There's no other reason

2030
01:44:05,067 --> 01:44:06,787
Speaker 15: for it. It's been spaking arount for a lot long time.

2031
01:44:07,307 --> 01:44:09,027
Speaker 15: I think early on in the in the piece, it

2032
01:44:09,187 --> 01:44:10,587
Speaker 15: was sort of never really going to happen, but so

2033
01:44:10,747 --> 01:44:14,227
Speaker 15: certainly from two eight, nineteen twenty one, yeah eighty one

2034
01:44:14,267 --> 01:44:14,707
Speaker 15: to borrow me.

2035
01:44:15,427 --> 01:44:17,307
Speaker 3: You haven't been in the ring for what three years?

2036
01:44:17,427 --> 01:44:18,947
Speaker 3: Is this the only fight you'd come back for?

2037
01:44:20,027 --> 01:44:22,907
Speaker 15: Yeah, definitely one forty three years old on forty four

2038
01:44:23,707 --> 01:44:26,627
Speaker 15: after after this fight, a month after the fight, and

2039
01:44:27,067 --> 01:44:28,507
Speaker 15: it's been the last time I come back for. I

2040
01:44:28,627 --> 01:44:30,067
Speaker 15: told it was all back there, I said everyone back

2041
01:44:30,067 --> 01:44:31,907
Speaker 15: in two thousand and twenty one publicly something he's waiting

2042
01:44:31,907 --> 01:44:34,307
Speaker 15: for me to get too old, which is exactly what

2043
01:44:34,387 --> 01:44:34,787
Speaker 15: he's done.

2044
01:44:34,867 --> 01:44:35,747
Speaker 24: But you know what.

2045
01:44:35,907 --> 01:44:38,187
Speaker 15: I think I've got enough left in me to get

2046
01:44:38,227 --> 01:44:38,747
Speaker 15: the job done.

2047
01:44:39,227 --> 01:44:42,067
Speaker 3: Why didn't you turn up to the fight announcement press conference?

2048
01:44:43,667 --> 01:44:46,107
Speaker 15: Because it made it go bigger than what it would

2049
01:44:46,147 --> 01:44:47,387
Speaker 15: have been. It would have turned up and I would

2050
01:44:47,387 --> 01:44:49,427
Speaker 15: have caught him account for only fighting two minute rounds

2051
01:44:49,467 --> 01:44:51,987
Speaker 15: and we were in the same old who are But

2052
01:44:52,147 --> 01:44:53,467
Speaker 15: you know I didn't turn up and then made it

2053
01:44:53,547 --> 01:44:58,027
Speaker 15: good I did. Today. Boxing is about, I suppose, exposure

2054
01:44:58,027 --> 01:45:00,147
Speaker 15: and creating a bit of hype and exactly what it did.

2055
01:45:01,107 --> 01:45:04,467
Speaker 3: The two minute rounds. How does well, First of all,

2056
01:45:04,467 --> 01:45:05,947
Speaker 3: you're obviously not a fan of it, but how does

2057
01:45:05,987 --> 01:45:07,267
Speaker 3: it change you fight strategy?

2058
01:45:08,787 --> 01:45:09,667
Speaker 15: Just through him?

2059
01:45:09,707 --> 01:45:09,787
Speaker 18: Man?

2060
01:45:09,787 --> 01:45:12,387
Speaker 15: I mean he's a big guy. He's a powerful afelete.

2061
01:45:12,427 --> 01:45:16,827
Speaker 15: We understand that, and power runs out pretty quickly in

2062
01:45:17,627 --> 01:45:21,387
Speaker 15: combat sports. And then they's longer than me. He's told

2063
01:45:21,427 --> 01:45:22,747
Speaker 15: than me. He just wants to keep me, arrange a

2064
01:45:22,747 --> 01:45:24,187
Speaker 15: be how to hold me when I come insout, which

2065
01:45:24,227 --> 01:45:26,467
Speaker 15: also need a lot to hold intentionally in boxing, hears,

2066
01:45:26,587 --> 01:45:29,307
Speaker 15: so he's just he's just put the chips in his

2067
01:45:29,427 --> 01:45:32,547
Speaker 15: favor and try to stack everything in favor. But as

2068
01:45:32,587 --> 01:45:34,747
Speaker 15: I said, man, by the end of the fight, I'll

2069
01:45:34,787 --> 01:45:35,987
Speaker 15: get hold of him and I'll win.

2070
01:45:36,627 --> 01:45:40,947
Speaker 3: He has made suggestions that you're using performance enhancing drugs.

2071
01:45:41,467 --> 01:45:42,627
Speaker 3: What is your response to that?

2072
01:45:43,187 --> 01:45:46,587
Speaker 15: No, it's just a ridiculous, man, It's that's him to

2073
01:45:46,627 --> 01:45:50,387
Speaker 15: look at for exist. I thought this, what what is it?

2074
01:45:50,707 --> 01:45:52,947
Speaker 3: I mean, how much does that hurt them when you

2075
01:45:53,107 --> 01:45:54,667
Speaker 3: hear comments like that from him?

2076
01:45:55,627 --> 01:45:57,067
Speaker 15: Look, at the end of the day, I think you

2077
01:45:57,067 --> 01:46:01,027
Speaker 15: got a respect well the person that's saying it, And

2078
01:46:01,147 --> 01:46:03,627
Speaker 15: I don't respect him. He's an idiot. Honestly, he's an

2079
01:46:03,667 --> 01:46:06,227
Speaker 15: absolute dope. I've got no respect for him as any

2080
01:46:06,507 --> 01:46:09,227
Speaker 15: So to be able to listen to things from a

2081
01:46:09,307 --> 01:46:11,507
Speaker 15: person you don't respect that from a person they like

2082
01:46:11,627 --> 01:46:14,187
Speaker 15: it's water ducts back on, so that he has no

2083
01:46:14,267 --> 01:46:17,867
Speaker 15: in my life. Yeah, I don't like him.

2084
01:46:18,427 --> 01:46:22,187
Speaker 3: He's been training with Ossie Cruz White world champion Ji Opataia,

2085
01:46:22,227 --> 01:46:24,547
Speaker 3: who I know. You know, Well, do you think he's

2086
01:46:24,547 --> 01:46:25,947
Speaker 3: going to try and fight like Gi does?

2087
01:46:27,227 --> 01:46:27,467
Speaker 14: Well?

2088
01:46:28,227 --> 01:46:29,707
Speaker 15: Look, I think at the end of the day, he's

2089
01:46:29,787 --> 01:46:33,107
Speaker 15: telling Dremmy thinks you can I mean, I spy beside

2090
01:46:33,107 --> 01:46:35,827
Speaker 15: before he went to school fifteen years ago when he

2091
01:46:35,907 --> 01:46:37,987
Speaker 15: was sixteen seventeen years of age, to drive down and

2092
01:46:38,067 --> 01:46:40,147
Speaker 15: spy me and Corey Patterson, a couple of foot players

2093
01:46:40,147 --> 01:46:43,387
Speaker 15: before school, and Blake's been training his whole life to

2094
01:46:43,427 --> 01:46:45,787
Speaker 15: be a fighter, and he thinks something things on six

2095
01:46:45,947 --> 01:46:47,987
Speaker 15: or seven weeks training camp with Joe, You're about to

2096
01:46:48,027 --> 01:46:51,507
Speaker 15: fight like gay? Yeah, I find it laughable. It just

2097
01:46:51,587 --> 01:46:53,747
Speaker 15: got to show insecureus. And he's the type of person

2098
01:46:53,787 --> 01:46:55,947
Speaker 15: I needs to have people around him and tell him

2099
01:46:55,947 --> 01:46:58,227
Speaker 15: everything's going to be okay, and tell him he's doing well,

2100
01:46:58,307 --> 01:47:00,587
Speaker 15: like every day boxes in a sport. I can't get

2101
01:47:00,627 --> 01:47:02,707
Speaker 15: in there and fight for him. Cap apatire can't get

2102
01:47:02,707 --> 01:47:06,107
Speaker 15: in there and fight for him. Yeah, it's another example

2103
01:47:06,147 --> 01:47:08,467
Speaker 15: of the security. Sunny has a bed intel.

2104
01:47:08,987 --> 01:47:10,427
Speaker 3: How is your training for the fight going?

2105
01:47:11,787 --> 01:47:13,347
Speaker 15: So right? I made you know. I think when you

2106
01:47:13,387 --> 01:47:15,867
Speaker 15: get to in your fortyes, things a little bit harder,

2107
01:47:15,907 --> 01:47:18,347
Speaker 15: but you know that that's just life. I'll be fine.

2108
01:47:18,627 --> 01:47:20,347
Speaker 3: How much have you had to alter things now that

2109
01:47:20,427 --> 01:47:21,507
Speaker 3: you're you're getting.

2110
01:47:21,267 --> 01:47:21,707
Speaker 2: A bit older?

2111
01:47:22,587 --> 01:47:24,547
Speaker 15: No, yeah, you go pull back a little bit. You

2112
01:47:24,547 --> 01:47:27,027
Speaker 15: came from trainings intense their as you once did, that's

2113
01:47:27,067 --> 01:47:29,907
Speaker 15: for sure. But yeah, okay for all sort of stick

2114
01:47:29,947 --> 01:47:33,187
Speaker 15: and do a little routine that we're going and things

2115
01:47:33,187 --> 01:47:33,747
Speaker 15: aren't okay?

2116
01:47:34,187 --> 01:47:36,427
Speaker 3: Will this be your last, Paul, the last time.

2117
01:47:37,747 --> 01:47:41,027
Speaker 15: No doubt forty four, one month after the fight. Sunny

2118
01:47:41,467 --> 01:47:43,427
Speaker 15: Sonny's done, Welder, It's a way until I've got past

2119
01:47:43,507 --> 01:47:46,307
Speaker 15: my best. I've sat there front many times, have you

2120
01:47:46,507 --> 01:47:48,747
Speaker 15: that that's what he's waiting to do? And yeah, he's

2121
01:47:48,787 --> 01:47:51,227
Speaker 15: done that. But I still think I've got enough left

2122
01:47:51,307 --> 01:47:52,227
Speaker 15: in me to beat this plate.

2123
01:47:53,027 --> 01:47:55,027
Speaker 3: Is this all real you talk about you know, hype

2124
01:47:55,227 --> 01:47:58,027
Speaker 3: and boxing has always been about that, But is this

2125
01:47:58,267 --> 01:48:00,307
Speaker 3: genuine dislike for him on your part?

2126
01:48:00,827 --> 01:48:04,107
Speaker 15: I've got absolutely air respect for his plate. There's nothing

2127
01:48:04,107 --> 01:48:05,907
Speaker 15: about him my life at all, nothing.

2128
01:48:07,747 --> 01:48:08,147
Speaker 2: But goard on.

2129
01:48:08,227 --> 01:48:10,387
Speaker 3: New South Wales couldn't get the job done in Origin too, mate.

2130
01:48:11,307 --> 01:48:13,387
Speaker 15: Yeah, I know they scored more tries in their position

2131
01:48:13,427 --> 01:48:16,627
Speaker 15: and we're beaten. That's not a good way to go down. Obviously,

2132
01:48:17,307 --> 01:48:19,627
Speaker 15: goal kicking was issue for them, has been in the

2133
01:48:19,747 --> 01:48:22,267
Speaker 15: first two games. But then the right to get a

2134
01:48:22,347 --> 01:48:24,187
Speaker 15: decider and bring it down the city because they won

2135
01:48:24,267 --> 01:48:26,787
Speaker 15: that first game. So I think then they you said,

2136
01:48:26,867 --> 01:48:29,507
Speaker 15: just play play the way they can play and probably

2137
01:48:29,627 --> 01:48:31,587
Speaker 15: living on a discipline in the first half, they win

2138
01:48:31,747 --> 01:48:33,707
Speaker 15: the match. I think they can still get the job done.

2139
01:48:33,827 --> 01:48:34,147
Speaker 11: All right.

2140
01:48:34,147 --> 01:48:35,587
Speaker 3: Well, just back to the fight. Finally, a lot of

2141
01:48:35,987 --> 01:48:37,507
Speaker 3: a lot of punters on the side of the jitch.

2142
01:48:37,507 --> 01:48:40,507
Speaker 3: You'll be signing up for pay per view. What are

2143
01:48:40,547 --> 01:48:42,547
Speaker 3: we going to see on July sixteenth?

2144
01:48:43,667 --> 01:48:45,107
Speaker 15: I think by then the fight I catch up with

2145
01:48:45,227 --> 01:48:47,067
Speaker 15: him now he's obviously gone the shorter rounds of two

2146
01:48:47,107 --> 01:48:49,747
Speaker 15: many rounds because it suits him, and he wants to

2147
01:48:49,827 --> 01:48:51,547
Speaker 15: keep me at bay, keep me away from him with

2148
01:48:51,667 --> 01:48:53,747
Speaker 15: his length, and when I get closer, probably I tie

2149
01:48:53,827 --> 01:48:55,107
Speaker 15: me up. But at the end of the day, this

2150
01:48:55,187 --> 01:48:57,947
Speaker 15: is boxing. All that intentionally hold or intentionally tie up,

2151
01:48:58,027 --> 01:49:01,227
Speaker 15: So hopefully the referees under that, and yeah, I think

2152
01:49:01,267 --> 01:49:02,547
Speaker 15: by the end the fight and knock him out.

2153
01:49:03,227 --> 01:49:04,987
Speaker 3: All the bestI your Paul, thanks for joining us, mate,

2154
01:49:05,547 --> 01:49:09,347
Speaker 3: thanks mate out. Paul Gallon up against Sonny Bill Williams

2155
01:49:09,467 --> 01:49:12,027
Speaker 3: Kudos Bank Arena, Sydney, July sixteen, seven to thirty, New

2156
01:49:12,067 --> 01:49:14,827
Speaker 3: Zealan Time Power by Minuca Feel Get it live and

2157
01:49:14,907 --> 01:49:18,027
Speaker 3: exclusive in New Zealand on pay per view from sky

2158
01:49:18,067 --> 01:49:20,747
Speaker 3: Arena Skysport. Now not a lot of gray area there

2159
01:49:21,067 --> 01:49:25,547
Speaker 3: from Paul Gallon the way he feels about Sunny Bill Williams.

2160
01:49:26,507 --> 01:49:28,347
Speaker 3: Very curious to see what's going to happen in this fight.

2161
01:49:28,347 --> 01:49:29,787
Speaker 3: We had a bit of feedback when we had Sonny

2162
01:49:29,787 --> 01:49:32,187
Speaker 3: Bill on was that last week week before about how

2163
01:49:32,227 --> 01:49:33,867
Speaker 3: it was, you know, I mean the two minute rounds,

2164
01:49:33,907 --> 01:49:36,387
Speaker 3: not real boxing, that sort of thing. But I'm very

2165
01:49:36,467 --> 01:49:38,147
Speaker 3: curious to see what happens when these two get in

2166
01:49:38,147 --> 01:49:41,547
Speaker 3: the ring together. Paul Gallon with not a lot of

2167
01:49:41,627 --> 01:49:43,387
Speaker 3: nice things to say about Sonny Bill Williams and it

2168
01:49:43,467 --> 01:49:46,387
Speaker 3: goes both ways. Yes, So July sixteen, we'll see what

2169
01:49:46,427 --> 01:49:48,587
Speaker 3: plays out. At least take a break. It's two thirty

2170
01:49:48,667 --> 01:49:52,147
Speaker 3: five shows coming to here from christ Church this weekend,

2171
01:49:52,427 --> 01:49:55,427
Speaker 3: and yesterday had the chance to go through Pudackyoti, which

2172
01:49:55,507 --> 01:50:00,427
Speaker 3: is the new indoor sporting facility that's going to be

2173
01:50:00,507 --> 01:50:02,187
Speaker 3: ready hopefully at the back end of this year. The

2174
01:50:02,307 --> 01:50:05,027
Speaker 3: other one here in christ Chitch, of course, is their

2175
01:50:05,067 --> 01:50:10,347
Speaker 3: brand new stadium, Techkaha, which is scheduled for opening in

2176
01:50:10,507 --> 01:50:14,067
Speaker 3: early twenty twenty six. It's impossible to miss now in

2177
01:50:14,187 --> 01:50:17,467
Speaker 3: christ Church as it sits right in the CBD and

2178
01:50:17,747 --> 01:50:22,507
Speaker 3: is rising impressively against the christ Church Skyline. Had the

2179
01:50:22,547 --> 01:50:25,227
Speaker 3: opportunity to have bit of a mini tour of Tekaha

2180
01:50:25,307 --> 01:50:30,027
Speaker 3: this morning before the show, chatted to the project director,

2181
01:50:30,147 --> 01:50:31,987
Speaker 3: so I got that chat for you when we come back.

2182
01:50:32,187 --> 01:50:34,587
Speaker 3: A bit more about Techkaha on Weekend.

2183
01:50:34,307 --> 01:50:38,587
Speaker 1: Sport The Tough Questions Off the Turf Weekend Sport with

2184
01:50:38,787 --> 01:50:42,747
Speaker 1: Jason Kine and GJ. Gardnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home

2185
01:50:42,787 --> 01:50:43,587
Speaker 1: builder news.

2186
01:50:43,427 --> 01:50:46,987
Speaker 3: Dogs mb bang on two forty weekend Sport from christ

2187
01:50:47,067 --> 01:50:49,867
Speaker 3: Church this weekend, where a new stadium is taking shape

2188
01:50:49,947 --> 01:50:53,707
Speaker 3: and on target to open early next year. Tech Kaha

2189
01:50:54,147 --> 01:50:57,227
Speaker 3: rising into the christ Church sky in the CBD boarded

2190
01:50:57,267 --> 01:51:01,267
Speaker 3: by Madras, Tuham, Barbados and Hereford Street. So I was

2191
01:51:01,347 --> 01:51:04,427
Speaker 3: taken on a tour this morning by Tekaha project manager

2192
01:51:04,507 --> 01:51:08,627
Speaker 3: Kent Summerfield. We had a cheer once the walking was done.

2193
01:51:08,667 --> 01:51:11,467
Speaker 3: I asked first of all, which major pieces of work

2194
01:51:11,587 --> 01:51:13,867
Speaker 3: are still to be completed on Tekah.

2195
01:51:14,707 --> 01:51:17,587
Speaker 29: Well, a lot of it happens in parallel. Obviously, we've

2196
01:51:17,587 --> 01:51:20,107
Speaker 29: got a lot of open workfront. So at the moment

2197
01:51:20,187 --> 01:51:24,907
Speaker 29: we're completing installation of the secondary steel for the roof structure.

2198
01:51:24,947 --> 01:51:28,707
Speaker 29: We're getting pretty close to tiding that up. Then down

2199
01:51:28,787 --> 01:51:31,747
Speaker 29: on the south east corner of the site, we're getting

2200
01:51:31,787 --> 01:51:35,387
Speaker 29: underway with the seating installation, so that we'll continue around

2201
01:51:36,467 --> 01:51:39,307
Speaker 29: the seating bowl and we should wrap that up. Late

2202
01:51:39,387 --> 01:51:42,987
Speaker 29: this year, we're getting underway with the installation of the

2203
01:51:44,067 --> 01:51:49,107
Speaker 29: ethylene tetra flora ethylene roof, which in symbol terms is

2204
01:51:49,227 --> 01:51:52,107
Speaker 29: the clear portion of the roof to the north of

2205
01:51:52,227 --> 01:51:56,427
Speaker 29: the site. We're wrapping up the last installation of the

2206
01:51:56,747 --> 01:52:02,027
Speaker 29: solid roofing and we'll be continuing with the cladding to

2207
01:52:02,147 --> 01:52:05,587
Speaker 29: the facade right around to the north, and later on

2208
01:52:05,787 --> 01:52:09,187
Speaker 29: this year will be bringing the turf that we've got

2209
01:52:09,267 --> 01:52:11,667
Speaker 29: growing out there at the turf farm at the moment,

2210
01:52:12,067 --> 01:52:14,387
Speaker 29: rolling that up and bringing that to site to lay

2211
01:52:14,427 --> 01:52:17,747
Speaker 29: it out. And then we're just getting underway at the

2212
01:52:17,787 --> 01:52:20,547
Speaker 29: moment with some of the external works, the landscaping around

2213
01:52:20,587 --> 01:52:25,027
Speaker 29: the arena. So there's a lot happening at once. It

2214
01:52:25,147 --> 01:52:28,387
Speaker 29: will be a busy last eight to ten months for

2215
01:52:28,507 --> 01:52:34,627
Speaker 29: us on site, but as you can see, the busily

2216
01:52:35,027 --> 01:52:36,427
Speaker 29: working working.

2217
01:52:36,227 --> 01:52:39,187
Speaker 2: Through all of that, so we're well on track for

2218
01:52:39,547 --> 01:52:40,387
Speaker 2: April next year.

2219
01:52:40,747 --> 01:52:42,147
Speaker 3: We're standing in the middle of what will be the

2220
01:52:42,187 --> 01:52:45,347
Speaker 3: playing surface or off to one side, so is the

2221
01:52:45,467 --> 01:52:47,427
Speaker 3: grass the last thing to go in? Will that be

2222
01:52:47,507 --> 01:52:49,667
Speaker 3: one of the last things that we see, certainly.

2223
01:52:49,427 --> 01:52:51,627
Speaker 29: One of the last things, and obviously that'll be a

2224
01:52:51,667 --> 01:52:54,067
Speaker 29: big milestone. Are going to look very different to what

2225
01:52:54,187 --> 01:52:58,387
Speaker 29: it does now, which essentially a crane platform where we're standing.

2226
01:52:58,507 --> 01:53:01,347
Speaker 2: But yeah, it will be one of the last things.

2227
01:53:01,427 --> 01:53:04,267
Speaker 29: So as we move along the site to the north

2228
01:53:04,347 --> 01:53:08,587
Speaker 29: and get rid of the lifting lifting platforms that we've

2229
01:53:08,627 --> 01:53:11,507
Speaker 29: got in here at the moment, working at height will

2230
01:53:11,547 --> 01:53:14,387
Speaker 29: start to build up that field of play and once

2231
01:53:14,467 --> 01:53:17,067
Speaker 29: that's completed, yeah, we'll be bringing the turf, so yeah,

2232
01:53:17,067 --> 01:53:19,347
Speaker 29: that'll be happening late this year and then there will

2233
01:53:19,547 --> 01:53:23,827
Speaker 29: just be finishing works with the fit out internally and

2234
01:53:23,907 --> 01:53:26,147
Speaker 29: the landscaping to wrap things up.

2235
01:53:26,747 --> 01:53:28,907
Speaker 3: One of the benchmarks of any build, I think is

2236
01:53:28,907 --> 01:53:30,947
Speaker 3: getting the roof on. Always of a roof shout did

2237
01:53:30,987 --> 01:53:32,187
Speaker 3: you get a roof? Shout going when you got the

2238
01:53:32,227 --> 01:53:35,307
Speaker 3: roof on? Well, we're not quite there yet, but yeah,

2239
01:53:35,347 --> 01:53:35,907
Speaker 3: look it will be.

2240
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Speaker 2: It will be a big milestone and a big celebration.

2241
01:53:40,107 --> 01:53:43,227
Speaker 29: So you can see the solid portion of the roof

2242
01:53:43,387 --> 01:53:48,627
Speaker 29: is very close to finish and yeah, the ETF will

2243
01:53:48,667 --> 01:53:51,387
Speaker 29: take us through towards the end of the year to

2244
01:53:52,307 --> 01:53:55,307
Speaker 29: wrap that up. So yeah, that is a big, big

2245
01:53:55,427 --> 01:54:00,307
Speaker 29: challenge technically challenging obviously the roof structure and then installation

2246
01:54:00,427 --> 01:54:04,747
Speaker 29: of the clouding, so we'll certainly celebrate once we've got

2247
01:54:04,787 --> 01:54:05,907
Speaker 29: that wrapped up and.

2248
01:54:05,947 --> 01:54:09,027
Speaker 3: The seat what kind of seating is it? Are they

2249
01:54:09,067 --> 01:54:13,387
Speaker 3: plastic bucket seats? What's the seating here? Yeah, the plastic seating,

2250
01:54:14,467 --> 01:54:15,507
Speaker 3: people will be happy to hear.

2251
01:54:15,627 --> 01:54:17,587
Speaker 29: They are larger than the ones that we've got in

2252
01:54:17,667 --> 01:54:21,947
Speaker 29: the existing stadium, so a bit of extra patron comfort.

2253
01:54:22,107 --> 01:54:27,147
Speaker 29: So yeah, the installation of those will be getting underway

2254
01:54:27,267 --> 01:54:32,027
Speaker 29: very shortly. And yeah, there's a cultural pattern incorporate into

2255
01:54:32,107 --> 01:54:37,267
Speaker 29: those so produced by a local terary artists, So yeah,

2256
01:54:37,267 --> 01:54:38,947
Speaker 29: they're going to look quite striking when they're in.

2257
01:54:39,667 --> 01:54:43,867
Speaker 3: And going back a level presumably there's everything that you know,

2258
01:54:44,067 --> 01:54:45,947
Speaker 3: the field of players, what most people will see when

2259
01:54:45,947 --> 01:54:47,987
Speaker 3: they arrive here, watch on television, all that sort of thing,

2260
01:54:48,027 --> 01:54:54,667
Speaker 3: But things like broadcast facilities, corporate lounges, you know, meeting spaces.

2261
01:54:54,667 --> 01:54:56,947
Speaker 3: They're all in the process of being done now or

2262
01:54:57,027 --> 01:54:58,027
Speaker 3: is that still to come as well.

2263
01:54:58,147 --> 01:54:58,667
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are.

2264
01:54:58,867 --> 01:55:03,267
Speaker 29: The fit out as well and truly progressed. It's at

2265
01:55:03,387 --> 01:55:07,867
Speaker 29: varying stages around the building, but particularly in the western

2266
01:55:07,947 --> 01:55:11,427
Speaker 29: stand very advanced. So on level one up here, we've

2267
01:55:11,467 --> 01:55:15,947
Speaker 29: got the function lounge capable of hosting up to around

2268
01:55:16,027 --> 01:55:18,907
Speaker 29: nine hundred people and divisible in two.

2269
01:55:19,707 --> 01:55:21,107
Speaker 2: You can see all the glazings in.

2270
01:55:22,867 --> 01:55:26,107
Speaker 29: All the lining's carpet down, so a lot of those

2271
01:55:26,107 --> 01:55:29,907
Speaker 29: areas getting pretty close to finished. Likewise, the corporate suites

2272
01:55:29,947 --> 01:55:33,947
Speaker 29: on level two, the Premium, General and Missionary on level three,

2273
01:55:34,027 --> 01:55:36,267
Speaker 29: and then up there on level four you can see

2274
01:55:36,347 --> 01:55:41,627
Speaker 29: the coaches and media boxes all framed out in. Some

2275
01:55:41,787 --> 01:55:45,307
Speaker 29: of the internal finishing is just getting pretty close to

2276
01:55:45,387 --> 01:55:46,667
Speaker 29: being finished in there as well.

2277
01:55:46,787 --> 01:55:48,227
Speaker 2: And then over in the.

2278
01:55:48,667 --> 01:55:52,427
Speaker 29: Southern and eastern stands we've got the Level one concourse.

2279
01:55:54,147 --> 01:55:56,187
Speaker 29: A bit hard to see from here, but we've got

2280
01:55:57,027 --> 01:55:59,587
Speaker 29: the fit out of the food and beverage outlets. We've

2281
01:55:59,627 --> 01:56:03,667
Speaker 29: got thirty two of those dotted around the concourse primarily, and.

2282
01:56:05,187 --> 01:56:06,547
Speaker 2: They're well advanced as well well.

2283
01:56:07,267 --> 01:56:09,987
Speaker 3: So we're on track. We always hear about it. Obviously,

2284
01:56:10,027 --> 01:56:12,587
Speaker 3: we're on track for twenty twenty six. Is that out

2285
01:56:12,627 --> 01:56:14,147
Speaker 3: of your hands? Have you got a delivery date that

2286
01:56:14,187 --> 01:56:16,187
Speaker 3: you have to deliver or what are we talking in

2287
01:56:16,307 --> 01:56:18,387
Speaker 3: terms of when it may may be open?

2288
01:56:19,227 --> 01:56:24,227
Speaker 29: Yeah, so April is our target date. Obviously a lot

2289
01:56:24,267 --> 01:56:27,987
Speaker 29: of excitement around that. Some of our stakeholders very keen

2290
01:56:28,107 --> 01:56:32,347
Speaker 29: to get in potentially earlier than that, but look that

2291
01:56:32,587 --> 01:56:35,547
Speaker 29: that is our target date and we are on track

2292
01:56:35,627 --> 01:56:39,387
Speaker 29: for that, and if we're able to deliver it earlier

2293
01:56:39,467 --> 01:56:42,987
Speaker 29: then that'd be great. But yeah, April's April's the goal.

2294
01:56:43,307 --> 01:56:44,947
Speaker 3: It's an exciting time for the city, isn't it. The

2295
01:56:44,987 --> 01:56:46,867
Speaker 3: city has been through a lot, you know, and you

2296
01:56:46,987 --> 01:56:48,667
Speaker 3: come here now we're having the last couple of years

2297
01:56:48,707 --> 01:56:51,627
Speaker 3: and to see this rising right in the CBD, it

2298
01:56:51,667 --> 01:56:53,667
Speaker 3: must be a very exciting time for Cantabrians.

2299
01:56:54,107 --> 01:56:56,467
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, and it's great.

2300
01:56:56,547 --> 01:56:59,747
Speaker 29: I think that feedback that we're getting from the public

2301
01:56:59,867 --> 01:57:01,467
Speaker 29: and in the excitement you feel it.

2302
01:57:01,987 --> 01:57:03,547
Speaker 2: I mentioned some of the stakeholders.

2303
01:57:03,587 --> 01:57:08,227
Speaker 29: They can see what's going on, they are desperately keen

2304
01:57:08,307 --> 01:57:11,867
Speaker 29: to get in here, and I think it's Yeah, it

2305
01:57:12,027 --> 01:57:16,667
Speaker 29: is a regional asset for the community, and we do

2306
01:57:16,867 --> 01:57:24,187
Speaker 29: have a wide variety of stakeholders who, Yeah, they can

2307
01:57:24,267 --> 01:57:26,947
Speaker 29: see the potential uses, they can see how they might

2308
01:57:27,027 --> 01:57:32,227
Speaker 29: be involved, and yeah, it is a lot of excitement

2309
01:57:32,267 --> 01:57:35,027
Speaker 29: building out there, and yeah, we are looking forward to

2310
01:57:35,307 --> 01:57:39,547
Speaker 29: to handing it over and getting in here and just

2311
01:57:40,067 --> 01:57:44,987
Speaker 29: starting to think about all the historic events that will

2312
01:57:45,027 --> 01:57:47,107
Speaker 29: take place here, sporting and cultural and.

2313
01:57:49,507 --> 01:57:52,747
Speaker 2: Corporate, et cetera. It is very exciting.

2314
01:57:53,267 --> 01:57:56,107
Speaker 3: I know when rugby players go to Duneda to Forsyth Bar,

2315
01:57:56,147 --> 01:57:58,107
Speaker 3: they try and hit the roof, try and boot it

2316
01:57:58,187 --> 01:58:00,507
Speaker 3: up and hit the roof out doors, the roof, it's well,

2317
01:58:00,547 --> 01:58:03,147
Speaker 3: it's lowest and it's highest points it's.

2318
01:58:03,067 --> 01:58:06,587
Speaker 29: Around so the total height of the buildings around fifty

2319
01:58:06,667 --> 01:58:09,787
Speaker 29: meters and then you've got the fifteen meter roof structure.

2320
01:58:09,867 --> 01:58:13,747
Speaker 29: We will also have the mother grid rigging system to

2321
01:58:13,867 --> 01:58:16,347
Speaker 29: the south of the site, so at its last point

2322
01:58:16,387 --> 01:58:18,347
Speaker 29: it's around thirty three meters.

2323
01:58:18,467 --> 01:58:22,307
Speaker 2: So it'll take an impressive.

2324
01:58:21,827 --> 01:58:25,667
Speaker 29: Punt as you could see, and I think that have

2325
01:58:25,827 --> 01:58:31,747
Speaker 29: to be trying pretty hard to deliberately achieve that. So yeah,

2326
01:58:31,947 --> 01:58:37,067
Speaker 29: it's consistent with other covered arenas in terms of its height.

2327
01:58:37,747 --> 01:58:39,987
Speaker 3: Just to finish to you sort of allow yourself to

2328
01:58:40,067 --> 01:58:42,467
Speaker 3: crystal ballgas a bit down the track three or four

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Speaker 3: years and think about this as a as a full

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Speaker 3: in use facility for sport, for cultural events, for concerts.

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Speaker 3: Do you imagine what that might be like?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 29: I mean I grew up in Canterbury and going to

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Speaker 29: Lancaster Park and went to a lot of events there

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Speaker 29: and it was a real hub and I think this

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Speaker 29: will be very much the same but enhanced again because

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Speaker 29: we're going to be obviously indoors, and yeah, just the

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Speaker 29: level of comfort and I think the togetherness that this

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Speaker 29: will bring to the community is hugely exciting. And yeah,

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Speaker 29: just picturing those big events coming back, the sporting teams playing.

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Speaker 2: In here, it's going to be massive for the community.

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Speaker 3: That is the voice of Takaha project manager Kent Summerfield.

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01:59:35,307 --> 01:59:37,947
Speaker 3: Many thanks Kent for taking us on a tour this

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01:59:38,027 --> 01:59:40,827
Speaker 3: morning and giving us an update on the progress of

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Speaker 3: christ Church's brand new stadium. Just on eleven away from three,

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01:59:45,427 --> 01:59:47,587
Speaker 3: I wanted to circle back to last night, just to finish.

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Speaker 3: We had the opportunity, as I mentioned at the top

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Speaker 3: of the show, to get into the changing sheds afterwards

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01:59:52,667 --> 01:59:54,827
Speaker 3: and afterwards for a little while and soak up some

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01:59:54,947 --> 01:59:57,947
Speaker 3: of the celebrations. I caught up with Colin Mansbridge, CEO

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01:59:58,067 --> 01:59:59,707
Speaker 3: of the team. He was on the show yesterday of

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01:59:59,827 --> 02:00:03,907
Speaker 3: course in the lead up to last night. He was

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Speaker 3: there afterwards as well. Obviously I caught up briefly with

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Speaker 3: Colin Mansbridge to check on his emotions. First of all, I.

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Speaker 6: Don't know what I feel like. I'm numb ash, I'm

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02:00:12,427 --> 02:00:15,827
Speaker 6: numb I'm so stoked with how they've gone. What a

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Speaker 6: final way. It's a final, a great game of footy.

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Speaker 5: You couldn't there wasn't anything between the two of them

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Speaker 5: and these lads, you know, they they defended home and

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Speaker 5: that that's what we end up with. But man, they

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Speaker 5: were just they were special. Tonight's special and you know,

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Speaker 5: credit to the Chiefs they were.

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Speaker 6: They were awesome.

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Speaker 5: And that was a game for the ages, wasn't it

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02:00:36,507 --> 02:00:38,867
Speaker 5: lived up to being played at Matadiki?

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Speaker 3: It was real special?

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Speaker 28: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's a neutral I can tell you. That's

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Speaker 3: exactly what it was to Juggernauts too, heavyweights going at

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Speaker 3: one another, your farewellness place for finals games. Anyway, I

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Speaker 3: know that you may be back. I'm almost a bit

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02:00:52,187 --> 02:00:54,067
Speaker 3: sad to see it go with you, and I am too.

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Speaker 6: Put it's actually it's what, it's a beauty. It's actually

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02:00:56,147 --> 02:00:56,907
Speaker 6: a beautiful place.

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Speaker 5: In some ways it's cold and damp and miserable, but

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Speaker 5: then it's close.

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Speaker 6: You know, you're close, you feel like you're there. I

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02:01:03,827 --> 02:01:06,027
Speaker 6: mean the crowd tonight was unbelievable.

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Speaker 5: They you know, the booing, very polite booing, the chanting,

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02:01:11,347 --> 02:01:13,587
Speaker 5: they were unbelievable and I know the boys got.

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Speaker 6: Up because of the crowd, So yeah, it's stunning.

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Speaker 3: Stunning a word that's been used as redemption. I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure whether many of those guys felt like they needed

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02:01:22,627 --> 02:01:25,787
Speaker 3: to redeem themselves. But does it feel like twenty twenty

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02:01:25,827 --> 02:01:27,387
Speaker 3: four can now be put in the review mirror?

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Speaker 6: I think so. I think I've seen it before to

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Speaker 6: you before as well.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's small margins, see and then secondly it's

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02:01:37,947 --> 02:01:41,467
Speaker 5: there's there was nothing broken. There were there were bits

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Speaker 5: that needed quite a bit of tuning, but nothing was broken,

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Speaker 5: and I think, you know, we tuned up and that's

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Speaker 5: the result.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, really really stoked.

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Speaker 3: What was the first thing you said to Rob Penny

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Speaker 3: or vice versa once you saw him after?

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Speaker 5: I think we both said we're proud of each other.

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02:01:58,947 --> 02:02:01,067
Speaker 5: He said, I'm really really proud of you. I said,

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Speaker 5: made I'm proud of you, and and uh, yeah, I

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02:02:04,947 --> 02:02:08,827
Speaker 5: am pleased for him. I think you know, he deserved.

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Speaker 5: He did have a tough gig last year. Forget the

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Speaker 5: the way the results were. You know, there's a bit

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Speaker 5: of piling on and I know him and his family

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02:02:20,067 --> 02:02:23,547
Speaker 5: carried some fairly big burdens through there, and and you know,

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Speaker 5: there's a couple of moments for him, and and he

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Speaker 5: got through it.

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Speaker 3: The smile.

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Speaker 6: He's actually got a little bit of motion on on occasion.

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02:02:31,147 --> 02:02:31,987
Speaker 3: It's not like him.

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Speaker 5: He's had a few tears in his eyes and even

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02:02:34,587 --> 02:02:38,827
Speaker 5: this week he was quite emotional. So I mean there's

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Speaker 5: there's relief in his eyes, but there's also quite confidence

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02:02:43,467 --> 02:02:46,227
Speaker 5: because he's he's had a tough couple of runs recently

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Speaker 5: and so this one, you know, he's shown you can

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02:02:48,787 --> 02:02:50,387
Speaker 5: do the gig, hasn't He's been awesome.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, really proud of him.

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Speaker 3: Congress May enjoyed the night.

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02:02:53,867 --> 02:02:55,067
Speaker 6: Thanks Bonnie. Good on your mate.

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Speaker 3: They'll just call him Mansbridge And amongst the celebrations last

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Speaker 3: night eight to three News Talks be.

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Speaker 1: The Scoop from the drag Field and and the Courts

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02:03:03,827 --> 02:03:07,427
Speaker 1: on your homes sord GMS for it. Where's Jason Vine?

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02:03:07,707 --> 02:03:10,707
Speaker 3: Us talks in be five to three Final Texas from

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02:03:10,747 --> 02:03:14,107
Speaker 3: Minty Graham Minty Mead our chiefs commentator who says, is

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02:03:14,187 --> 02:03:16,907
Speaker 3: it Monday yet? Not quite? Minty, not quite? But the

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02:03:16,947 --> 02:03:20,027
Speaker 3: sun will rise on the tron and your boys will

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Speaker 3: have another crack next year. Thank you for joining us

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Speaker 3: on weekend Sport Today and across the weekend. Huge thanks

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02:03:24,507 --> 02:03:27,787
Speaker 3: to the team at ZIB and Christchurch for hosting me.

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02:03:27,947 --> 02:03:29,987
Speaker 3: Massive thanks to Anny McDonald for producing the show. Was

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02:03:29,987 --> 02:03:33,067
Speaker 3: a bit more difficult when I'm somewhere else. Thanks mate.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy the rest of your afternoon and thank you for

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02:03:34,947 --> 02:03:37,387
Speaker 3: listening as well. It's been great fun bringing you the

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Speaker 3: show from christ Church. Don't forget tomorrow night on Sports Talk.

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02:03:40,547 --> 02:03:42,827
Speaker 3: We'll have all the reaction to the All Blacks team

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02:03:42,947 --> 02:03:47,587
Speaker 3: naming which takes place in Taranaki at midday tomorrow, taking

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Speaker 3: us out well, the worth of the weekend down here,

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Speaker 3: without a shadow of a doubt, has been Redemption, Bob

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02:03:54,347 --> 02:03:57,747
Speaker 3: Marley's Redemption song taking us out today said Tomorrow.

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Speaker 25: Night songs a Free Design Again, Britt Shot Songs, all

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02:04:09,267 --> 02:04:22,307
Speaker 25: Live Heaver, Redeemed shut Songs. These songs are freedom songs

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Speaker 25: of freedom.

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Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live

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Speaker 1: to News Talks It Be weekends from midday or follow

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Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.