1 00:00:06,707 --> 00:00:10,467 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,747 --> 00:00:11,947 Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB. 3 00:00:12,787 --> 00:00:15,147 Speaker 2: All Blacks England tonight seven oh five live here on 4 00:00:15,187 --> 00:00:18,187 Speaker 2: News Talks EDB. The most recent test between these two 5 00:00:18,867 --> 00:00:24,587 Speaker 2: was in November of twenty twenty two at Twickenham, and that. 6 00:00:24,707 --> 00:00:28,427 Speaker 3: Is full time for You're Blacks from twenty five to 7 00:00:28,427 --> 00:00:33,787 Speaker 3: six up collapse, that's the only word for it, and 8 00:00:33,947 --> 00:00:38,347 Speaker 3: draw twenty five all at Twickenham. England barely fired a 9 00:00:38,467 --> 00:00:42,907 Speaker 3: shot in the first seventy minutes and then three tries 10 00:00:43,587 --> 00:00:48,907 Speaker 3: in the last ten earn them a draw at Twickenham 11 00:00:49,107 --> 00:00:54,267 Speaker 3: are scarcely believable. Last ten minutes sees the All Blacks 12 00:00:54,307 --> 00:00:57,227 Speaker 3: go from big winners to. 13 00:00:57,267 --> 00:00:58,467 Speaker 2: Finishing level. 14 00:01:00,067 --> 00:01:03,707 Speaker 3: And maybe that test best sums up this all Black 15 00:01:03,747 --> 00:01:11,827 Speaker 3: side of twenty twenty two. Some great moments, some teasful moments, 16 00:01:12,147 --> 00:01:16,587 Speaker 3: and they have a drawer to finish campaign twenty twenty two. 17 00:01:17,067 --> 00:01:19,667 Speaker 2: See that seems so long ago, doesn't it. November twenty 18 00:01:19,707 --> 00:01:22,147 Speaker 2: twenty two its Wick Umber twenty five all draw. Looking 19 00:01:22,147 --> 00:01:23,907 Speaker 2: at the All Black side that day and those who 20 00:01:23,907 --> 00:01:27,347 Speaker 2: will run out tonight from the starting fifteen Nathan Degrout, 21 00:01:27,587 --> 00:01:31,147 Speaker 2: Cody Taylor, Tyrell Lomax, same front row Scott Barrett, although 22 00:01:31,147 --> 00:01:35,307 Speaker 2: he was blindside that night. Dotton, Papaaliardi, Savia, Jordi Barrett, 23 00:01:35,347 --> 00:01:38,547 Speaker 2: Ricue Jowani and Mark Delea Boden Barrett started that test. 24 00:01:38,547 --> 00:01:40,987 Speaker 2: He's on the bench tonight. Of those who were on 25 00:01:41,067 --> 00:01:43,707 Speaker 2: the bench in twenty twenty two, t J. Petanata will 26 00:01:43,707 --> 00:01:46,547 Speaker 2: start tonight and Anton Lennott Brown is again among the 27 00:01:46,587 --> 00:01:50,547 Speaker 2: reserves for England. Maro Atoji and Marcus Smith started that game. 28 00:01:50,587 --> 00:01:54,147 Speaker 2: They'll start again tonight. Tom Curry started in twenty twenty two. 29 00:01:54,187 --> 00:01:56,827 Speaker 2: He's on the bench tonight. Jamie George on the bench 30 00:01:56,867 --> 00:02:00,307 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two. He starts tonight as captain. Will 31 00:02:00,547 --> 00:02:04,707 Speaker 2: Stuart and Henry Slade also starting tonight. One of the 32 00:02:04,707 --> 00:02:07,787 Speaker 2: great All Blacks from these parts is Ben Smith, World 33 00:02:07,867 --> 00:02:10,947 Speaker 2: Cup winner in twenty fifteen eighty four test matches, seven 34 00:02:10,987 --> 00:02:14,027 Speaker 2: of those against England for six wins. He was in 35 00:02:14,067 --> 00:02:16,747 Speaker 2: the team and scored a try the last time England 36 00:02:16,747 --> 00:02:19,187 Speaker 2: played the All Blacks in a Test here at Forsyth 37 00:02:19,227 --> 00:02:21,267 Speaker 2: bar Stadium, a twenty eight twenty seven win for the 38 00:02:21,267 --> 00:02:25,067 Speaker 2: All Blacks in twenty fourteen. He is Rugby Royalty here 39 00:02:25,107 --> 00:02:27,267 Speaker 2: in Duneda. A proud ext All Black he joined us now, 40 00:02:27,427 --> 00:02:29,627 Speaker 2: Ben Smith, thanks for taking the time. First of all, 41 00:02:29,627 --> 00:02:31,827 Speaker 2: how are the All Blacks players do you think be 42 00:02:31,947 --> 00:02:34,787 Speaker 2: feeling It's match day ahead of their first test with 43 00:02:34,827 --> 00:02:39,467 Speaker 2: a new coaching group at the Helm, I'd say. 44 00:02:39,667 --> 00:02:43,867 Speaker 4: Yeah, obviously. First off, I'm Brett excited, like test is 45 00:02:43,867 --> 00:02:47,067 Speaker 4: are rolling around. I would have happen for this game. 46 00:02:47,187 --> 00:02:49,667 Speaker 4: So as far as a coaching group, not not much 47 00:02:49,667 --> 00:02:53,707 Speaker 4: as far as a playing group. But yeah, it's cool. 48 00:02:53,867 --> 00:02:57,347 Speaker 4: There's a lot of hyper around being the first test match, 49 00:02:57,387 --> 00:03:01,027 Speaker 4: a new sort of era. And then I suppose with it, 50 00:03:01,107 --> 00:03:05,467 Speaker 4: like everyone's wondering, I suppose the style of play and 51 00:03:05,507 --> 00:03:08,147 Speaker 4: what's going to set this All Black team apart from others. Yeah, 52 00:03:08,187 --> 00:03:09,427 Speaker 4: so it is exciting. 53 00:03:09,547 --> 00:03:11,627 Speaker 2: Well let's pick up on that. What style of play 54 00:03:11,707 --> 00:03:14,347 Speaker 2: do you expect from Razors or Blacks? 55 00:03:16,667 --> 00:03:20,507 Speaker 4: Well, the squad I've picked obviously, with Damien at ten, 56 00:03:22,267 --> 00:03:26,667 Speaker 4: he he sort of only knows one way and that's around. 57 00:03:26,947 --> 00:03:28,467 Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong, He's got a great kicking game, 58 00:03:28,467 --> 00:03:32,427 Speaker 4: but he's also electric with the way he can light 59 00:03:32,507 --> 00:03:34,787 Speaker 4: up a match. So I'm looking forward to watching him 60 00:03:34,787 --> 00:03:41,347 Speaker 4: tomorrow night. And yeah, I suppose, like any other game 61 00:03:41,387 --> 00:03:43,747 Speaker 4: of rugby, physicality will be a big one and the 62 00:03:43,827 --> 00:03:48,747 Speaker 4: selections with especially the loose trio loose Ford trio will 63 00:03:48,787 --> 00:03:52,907 Speaker 4: be interesting around. Yeah, the physicality that they bring with it. 64 00:03:53,307 --> 00:03:55,827 Speaker 2: How much do you think can be picked up from 65 00:03:55,827 --> 00:03:59,667 Speaker 2: a successful Crusaders side and then drop down across an 66 00:03:59,667 --> 00:04:02,627 Speaker 2: all Blacks framework? Do you think? In other words, Razor 67 00:04:02,707 --> 00:04:04,707 Speaker 2: will do a lot of what worked for him, But 68 00:04:04,787 --> 00:04:07,227 Speaker 2: the Crusaders, even off the feet Ben. 69 00:04:08,307 --> 00:04:11,267 Speaker 4: Well, I think they know. Yeah. Well, obviously this is 70 00:04:11,307 --> 00:04:13,667 Speaker 4: me looking from the outside just like you are, But 71 00:04:14,307 --> 00:04:17,387 Speaker 4: I take it that they know what works with them. 72 00:04:17,587 --> 00:04:20,387 Speaker 4: So obviously there's a lot of people involved with that 73 00:04:20,467 --> 00:04:25,747 Speaker 4: setup that will will keep a core of the values 74 00:04:26,307 --> 00:04:30,147 Speaker 4: of how they enjoy their environment and how that sort 75 00:04:30,147 --> 00:04:32,267 Speaker 4: of spills onto the rugby field. I'm sure a lot 76 00:04:32,267 --> 00:04:34,827 Speaker 4: of that will stay the same around how they got 77 00:04:34,827 --> 00:04:38,507 Speaker 4: about it, with obviously a different flavor being the All Blacks, 78 00:04:38,507 --> 00:04:44,347 Speaker 4: and how you bring in legacy pieces around whether All 79 00:04:44,347 --> 00:04:47,267 Speaker 4: Blacks have gone or where they've been and where they 80 00:04:47,427 --> 00:04:50,947 Speaker 4: intend to go. So I'm pretty excited, just like yourself, 81 00:04:50,987 --> 00:04:55,627 Speaker 4: to see how this first test match plays out. The 82 00:04:55,667 --> 00:05:01,107 Speaker 4: style of play that they're going to adopt and Yeah, 83 00:05:01,147 --> 00:05:04,547 Speaker 4: I think everyone's sort of pretty excited to see them go. 84 00:05:04,987 --> 00:05:07,987 Speaker 2: For some of these plays, the more experienced ones, they've 85 00:05:08,707 --> 00:05:11,667 Speaker 2: been under a coaching regime which has had a real 86 00:05:11,707 --> 00:05:15,227 Speaker 2: degree of consistency over the last decade or so. You know, 87 00:05:15,307 --> 00:05:17,907 Speaker 2: apart from Jason Ryan, this is an almost entirely new 88 00:05:17,947 --> 00:05:22,307 Speaker 2: coaching group. How would an experienced all black handle that? 89 00:05:25,587 --> 00:05:28,627 Speaker 4: I think from what I'm hearing the sound bites out 90 00:05:28,627 --> 00:05:31,987 Speaker 4: of the camp that they're giving leaning on people like Body, 91 00:05:32,027 --> 00:05:35,147 Speaker 4: Barrett and the likes to actually guide them a little 92 00:05:35,147 --> 00:05:40,387 Speaker 4: bit around that environment that they'll work alongside them to 93 00:05:40,427 --> 00:05:42,547 Speaker 4: set up. So that's sort of what I'm hearing that. 94 00:05:43,387 --> 00:05:47,147 Speaker 4: You know, when you hear the media and different people 95 00:05:47,187 --> 00:05:50,987 Speaker 4: asking them questions, I think they're really intent on showing that. 96 00:05:51,707 --> 00:05:54,347 Speaker 4: I hear care a lot around what they're saying, And 97 00:05:54,387 --> 00:05:57,947 Speaker 4: obviously part of that care is is the relationship with 98 00:05:57,987 --> 00:06:01,227 Speaker 4: the players and the established all blacks that have been 99 00:06:01,267 --> 00:06:04,427 Speaker 4: there for a while. Sounds like that's a big part 100 00:06:04,467 --> 00:06:04,667 Speaker 4: of it. 101 00:06:04,947 --> 00:06:07,307 Speaker 2: What did you make of the selection of even Petifeta 102 00:06:07,387 --> 00:06:09,267 Speaker 2: at Fallback? I think a lot of people thought Body 103 00:06:09,347 --> 00:06:10,587 Speaker 2: might get that jersey first up. 104 00:06:12,547 --> 00:06:14,627 Speaker 4: Yeah, like he played really well and super Rugby, so 105 00:06:15,027 --> 00:06:17,707 Speaker 4: I'm not surprised to see him get a start. He 106 00:06:17,747 --> 00:06:21,547 Speaker 4: hasn't probably had as many opportunities the last year or two, 107 00:06:21,587 --> 00:06:25,907 Speaker 4: so I would say look into the future, he would 108 00:06:25,947 --> 00:06:28,507 Speaker 4: be someone that they'd want to get playing really good 109 00:06:28,507 --> 00:06:32,827 Speaker 4: test matches so that they can be Yeah, I suppose 110 00:06:32,947 --> 00:06:35,227 Speaker 4: the depth within the squad will be massive, so they'll 111 00:06:35,267 --> 00:06:38,507 Speaker 4: get him going, and obviously body's body who he'll slop 112 00:06:38,547 --> 00:06:40,827 Speaker 4: back in at some stage or off the bench in 113 00:06:40,867 --> 00:06:41,267 Speaker 4: the weekend. 114 00:06:41,307 --> 00:06:44,787 Speaker 2: Yere England, how did you find I mean not that 115 00:06:44,827 --> 00:06:46,787 Speaker 2: there were that many, but how did you find test 116 00:06:46,787 --> 00:06:48,587 Speaker 2: matches against England? As an All Black. 117 00:06:50,187 --> 00:06:54,507 Speaker 4: Physical? They're always physical. I suppose the aerial part of 118 00:06:54,507 --> 00:06:57,267 Speaker 4: the game is something massive around how they pressure you 119 00:06:57,387 --> 00:07:01,427 Speaker 4: and how that part of the game. Yeah, they can 120 00:07:01,467 --> 00:07:02,987 Speaker 4: just squeeze you if you don't get it right. So 121 00:07:03,027 --> 00:07:05,507 Speaker 4: there'll be a big part of tomorrow night's game around 122 00:07:05,547 --> 00:07:08,707 Speaker 4: how they take care and diffuse a few of their 123 00:07:10,747 --> 00:07:14,747 Speaker 4: yeah white kicking game contestables. So yeah, I think that's 124 00:07:14,747 --> 00:07:15,347 Speaker 4: where they'll go to. 125 00:07:15,827 --> 00:07:18,907 Speaker 2: Do you think England will in any way feel like 126 00:07:18,947 --> 00:07:20,507 Speaker 2: the All Blacks are a bit vulnerable? 127 00:07:23,747 --> 00:07:26,387 Speaker 4: Sorry that the England will think that all blacks are vulnerable. 128 00:07:26,507 --> 00:07:29,667 Speaker 2: Yeah, just a new coaching team, a lot of expectation, 129 00:07:29,827 --> 00:07:32,827 Speaker 2: a bit appreciate. Do you think England might sense an 130 00:07:32,867 --> 00:07:33,787 Speaker 2: opportunity here? 131 00:07:35,707 --> 00:07:38,107 Speaker 4: I look, they played really well against Japan, what was 132 00:07:38,147 --> 00:07:39,747 Speaker 4: it two weeks ago? So I think they'll take a 133 00:07:39,747 --> 00:07:44,667 Speaker 4: lot of confidence out of that. There was a game 134 00:07:45,027 --> 00:07:47,667 Speaker 4: only last year, was it where they sort of tipped 135 00:07:47,707 --> 00:07:50,587 Speaker 4: us up? Or it might have been a draw? Was 136 00:07:50,587 --> 00:07:52,187 Speaker 4: that too many headknocks? 137 00:07:53,547 --> 00:07:55,027 Speaker 2: Twenty five draw? A couple of years ago? 138 00:07:55,067 --> 00:07:58,387 Speaker 4: Yeah, a couple of years ago, Yes, right there, And 139 00:07:58,427 --> 00:08:02,507 Speaker 4: they I think they'll obviously backed themselves to come here 140 00:08:02,547 --> 00:08:07,827 Speaker 4: and win. And yeah, I yeah, I think that's everyone. 141 00:08:07,827 --> 00:08:11,907 Speaker 4: Everyone's away, but pause to see how this test match 142 00:08:11,947 --> 00:08:15,427 Speaker 4: plays out when there's not. Yeah, a whole lot of 143 00:08:15,467 --> 00:08:20,107 Speaker 4: previous experiences with how they're all blacks. You know, I've 144 00:08:20,107 --> 00:08:23,547 Speaker 4: played so as far as this new coaching group, So yeah, 145 00:08:23,667 --> 00:08:25,947 Speaker 4: I'm excited to see them go. And just to finish, 146 00:08:26,147 --> 00:08:27,867 Speaker 4: how do you I mean, you were in all black 147 00:08:27,867 --> 00:08:30,707 Speaker 4: for so long you've been been well, you haven't been 148 00:08:30,707 --> 00:08:32,227 Speaker 4: all black since what twenty nineteen? 149 00:08:32,467 --> 00:08:34,267 Speaker 2: On a test match? Now? What do you just go 150 00:08:34,307 --> 00:08:35,947 Speaker 2: along and watch? You like a normal punter? How does 151 00:08:35,987 --> 00:08:37,387 Speaker 2: your How does your night play out? 152 00:08:38,107 --> 00:08:39,507 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, I'll just go along and watch it 153 00:08:39,587 --> 00:08:43,027 Speaker 4: like a normal punter. So yeah, no, we've got Colin 154 00:08:43,107 --> 00:08:46,587 Speaker 4: them a slade actually staying so head along with them 155 00:08:47,427 --> 00:08:49,467 Speaker 4: and Nan we'll go out for dinner before him, which 156 00:08:49,547 --> 00:08:52,147 Speaker 4: is which is nice, and then just hope for a 157 00:08:52,187 --> 00:08:52,947 Speaker 4: really good game of footy. 158 00:08:52,987 --> 00:08:54,907 Speaker 2: Really yeah, indeed, And you're enjoying your role with the 159 00:08:54,947 --> 00:08:57,427 Speaker 2: Highlanders that you're getting the chance to you're getting the 160 00:08:57,507 --> 00:08:58,387 Speaker 2: chance to take part in it. 161 00:08:59,427 --> 00:09:03,107 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's been good. Yeah, there's Yeah, obviously it's 162 00:09:03,107 --> 00:09:05,587 Speaker 4: different to playing. The coaching is but a few more hours. 163 00:09:05,587 --> 00:09:08,707 Speaker 4: But I've and enjoy being involved in no difference to 164 00:09:08,747 --> 00:09:10,307 Speaker 4: being a player. And the fact that you get if 165 00:09:10,307 --> 00:09:13,107 Speaker 4: you get a one on the weekend, that's it's pretty 166 00:09:13,107 --> 00:09:15,107 Speaker 4: rewarding being part of that process. 167 00:09:15,147 --> 00:09:17,507 Speaker 2: Well, sounds like your guests are ready for your next 168 00:09:17,507 --> 00:09:20,147 Speaker 2: to your next assignment today, Ben, thanks for taking Thanks 169 00:09:20,147 --> 00:09:21,667 Speaker 2: for taking the time for a chet mate, let's sayf 170 00:09:21,667 --> 00:09:24,227 Speaker 2: it's an exciting game at full size, but really appreciate your. 171 00:09:24,107 --> 00:09:25,947 Speaker 4: Time Beauty too, Jason, thanks mate. 172 00:09:25,867 --> 00:09:27,707 Speaker 2: No, thank you, Ben, Ben Smith. The good to have 173 00:09:27,747 --> 00:09:29,747 Speaker 2: colin Slaton Town as well for this one. Another former 174 00:09:29,787 --> 00:09:30,147 Speaker 2: All Black. 175 00:09:30,787 --> 00:09:33,947 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 176 00:09:34,067 --> 00:09:37,347 Speaker 1: to News Talk said Be weekends from midday, or follow 177 00:09:37,387 --> 00:09:38,987 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio