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Speaker 1: Chelsea Zealand's ordering thousands more vapes to help smokers quit.

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Speaker 1: They say the pilot programs that they've already done have

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Speaker 1: helped more than four thousand. Kiwis ditched the Darries in

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Speaker 1: just six months. Doctor Buzz Burrow is gp altra cheer.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Buzz, Good morning Ryan. Good to have you

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Speaker 1: on the show. Is this a good thing? I mean,

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Speaker 1: we've better off vaping than we are smoking, that's what

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Speaker 1: we're told.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a good question, and your opening line is

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Speaker 2: not incorrect. We are better off vaping than smoking. However,

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Speaker 2: we're better off not doing anything than vaping. And I

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Speaker 2: think that's where GPR is disappointed. We believe that the

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Speaker 2: government and two and whoever's in between them almost misleading

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Speaker 2: the public on the apparent success of this initiative. It's

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Speaker 2: not as successful as it looks. It's almost like saying, look,

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Speaker 2: it's better to drive a little bit drunk than very drunk.

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Speaker 2: It's a step in the right direction, but it's certainly

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Speaker 2: not as good as that making it out to be.

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Speaker 2: It's just give you some idea of how we believe

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Speaker 2: it's been a mislead. I work at a Southalkland General practice.

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Speaker 2: And only last week I saw a teenager pick up

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Speaker 2: one of the two leaflets saying babe, and he said, look, Mama,

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Speaker 2: I told you they're safe, and that's the message getting across.

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Speaker 2: They're not safe. And we wish there was just a

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Speaker 2: little bit more honestly behind the data.

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Speaker 1: So you're just saying it's a branding thing. Really by

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Speaker 1: making it telling people it's lest bared the hearing it's healthy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, perfectly worded. And moreover, we're replacing one addiction with

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Speaker 2: another addiction, which is not safe. If you think about

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Speaker 2: the science, it is very clever. Whoever invented the idea

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Speaker 2: of inhaling a substance got it right. If you're addicted

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Speaker 2: to something, you swallow it, your brain gets it hit

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Speaker 2: in about twenty minutes. If you intravenously injected, your brain

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Speaker 2: gets it hit in about sixty seconds. But if you

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Speaker 2: inhale it, your brain gets that hit in fifteen to

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Speaker 2: twenty seconds. That cycle, that addictive cycle, I wanted. I

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Speaker 2: got it. That was great. There's no fast way of

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Speaker 2: rewarding that than inhaling something. So someone's used inhaling tobacco

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Speaker 2: and getting a hit. If we're giving them a vape

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Speaker 2: they're going to get the.

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Speaker 1: Same because what do they do then? What are they

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Speaker 1: damned if they do? Damed if they don't, do they

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Speaker 1: just not order these things? Or do they need to

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Speaker 1: say here, you know, put up a skull and crossbone

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Speaker 1: on it.

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Speaker 2: In In fact, well look it up. Until about eighteen

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Speaker 2: months ago, that's what we had and the entire medical

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Speaker 2: profession was a gas at this current government reversed the

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Speaker 2: smoking legislation and that was really everybody thought, a step

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Speaker 2: in the completely wrong direction, which to see why it's

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Speaker 2: fiscally driven, but that actually is unhelpful in the long term.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think the answer is, I'll be honest,

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Speaker 2: the eighty percent of people are still vaping when they've

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Speaker 2: officially quit. Twelve months later. The UK did a study

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Speaker 2: and worked out that two thirds of people who said

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Speaker 2: they'd quit by tato vaping, two thirds were still vaping

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Speaker 2: five years after they've given up. And this stuff is

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Speaker 2: not safe. There are there's lung conditions, there's a cardy

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Speaker 2: of asking for conditions. This is this is not a

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Speaker 2: safe alternative from.

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Speaker 1: One bad thing to another. Doctor Buzz Burrow with us

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Speaker 1: this morning

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