1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Barrisoper, senior political correspondence with US Hallo Barry. 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:03,199 Speaker 2: Good afternoon. 3 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Now, we were just talking about the post freshwater strategy 4 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: with infrastructure New Zealand Pole. 5 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 2: Can we use an any for that? 6 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 3: Perhaps rolls off the tongue doesn't exactly anyway, Listen. The 7 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 3: problem with this is, obviously, if you were sensible, you 8 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 3: don't roll Luxeon, even if you think Luxen's a drag 9 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 3: on the party, which is, you do not roll him 10 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 3: before the election. You do it about a year after 11 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 3: the election. But the problem is, if you talk about 12 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 3: it enough, this thing gets momentum. Are we at that place? 13 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: Becomes a self fulfilling prophecies and that happens a lot. 14 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: Is he of that? 15 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. I think people who think 16 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: about politics and who think about what this government has 17 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 2: done in a fairly short time. I'm not preaching their case, 18 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: but they have done a lot, a lot more than 19 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: what labor did in the last three years when it 20 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: had unbridled power at the Treasury benches. So I think people, well, 21 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: most people who think about politics would say, you know, 22 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: this time next year, which will be election time, of course, 23 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: but by this time the economy will have turned the corner, 24 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 2: and I'm convinced of that that next year. I think 25 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,559 Speaker 2: early next year you're going to see a mood change. 26 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 2: And that's what it's all about, and that's why these 27 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: things tend to roll on. If you talk so much 28 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 2: about it, then it would roll on. Chris Bishop good 29 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 2: performer in the house. Don't know whether he's leadership material. 30 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 2: Erica Stanford, Yep, she's okay. Nichola Willis is okay. She's 31 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: been excellent in education, there's no doubt about that. And 32 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: very articulate. Nicola Willis again, you know she's had a 33 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: hard battle and finance. So even old Shane Jones this 34 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: afternoon was saying in the house used one of an 35 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: expression I've often used that to turn a super tanker 36 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: around take some considerable time. So if I was Chris 37 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 2: Lux and looking at this, you know, of course i'd 38 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: be upset, and you know, I would feel that people 39 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 2: are not getting the message that he's been espousing day 40 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 2: after day after day. And I heard some criticism this 41 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: morning of his performance in the house. Well I looked 42 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 2: at him that and with that perspective today he performs 43 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: I think very well. 44 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: You're talking about what Mike said, yes. I think Mike's 45 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: got a point. 46 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: No, he doesn't because he I don't know whether he 47 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: nobody knows politics like Mike knows it, of course, which 48 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: he continually tells us. But I've been in that house 49 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: for more than forty years, and when I see leaders 50 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 2: of the like of Chris lux and I think he 51 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: performs actually very well as the prime minister in the House. 52 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: And I was watching him again today and Mike seemed 53 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 2: to criticize him for saying, yes, do they agree with 54 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 2: every statement and whatever. 55 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: That've done in the past. 56 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: Why he says yes, he doesn't open up the agenda 57 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 2: to the opposition. 58 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: I think, okay, I actually a tactic here. I agree 59 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: with Mike, but I do of. 60 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: Course you'd agree with you. Hosts are all the same. 61 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: Oh jeez, honestly, Lord. What I want to talk about, though, 62 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: is there is a point at which, and this is 63 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: accepted right, there is a point at which a prime 64 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: minister becomes so deeply unpopular that nothing saves them, even 65 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: in economy. They just give voters the X factor. Are 66 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: you sure he isn't there? 67 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: I think you will find this time next year we'll 68 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 2: be talking about a very different chrys Luxen that we 69 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: talked about today. 70 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: Remember this the fac I do remember it. 71 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 2: Remember this, play. 72 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: This back in a year I shall now not of course, 73 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: of course. 74 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: Not failing to help this particular government is the Maori 75 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 3: Party with its shambles and even Marswall Willie had to 76 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 3: come and say something about it. 77 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: Well, you know, Willy has probably said more than what 78 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: his leader, Chris Hipkins has said, and he's a good mate. 79 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: He hasn't got skin in the game, of course, what 80 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 2: he probably does have because you know they will be 81 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 2: looking for coalition partners if they want to rule the 82 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: treasury benches next year, and the Mardi Party would be 83 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 2: part of that. Mex and Willie's made the point that, 84 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: you know, they really have to get their act together, 85 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: although he feels and he's talking about getting a meeting 86 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: with them next month to sit down and talk about 87 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: where they're going, what they'll look like come the next election. 88 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: Where is Rawi waited Tea the co leader and China 89 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 2: with a Kappa Harker group that he's traveled the world 90 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 2: with in the last couple of years. 91 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: But he's not alone, is he par He's not alone? 92 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 2: No, he's not alone. With him, his wife John, Yeah, 93 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 2: John Tammahi's daughter who's working as a press secretary for 94 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 2: the party. I've had a few run ins with her 95 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 2: over the time that when I was in Parliament. They're 96 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: very uncooperative. They do not like the media, probably because 97 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: of what I'm saying at the moment, but they're not 98 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 2: an easy party to deal. 99 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: Well, you are what they call the PARKI har media. 100 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: Well, I'm a racist. 101 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: No, you're white. 102 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 3: That's their problems that We'll talk to the party, they say, 103 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: I'm not putting words in their mouths. 104 00:04:58,760 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: They talk about this. 105 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, Jerry Browny's been told off. Everyone's favorite green MP Ricardo. 106 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 2: Well, of course, and you're this man whenever he walks 107 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: into a room, you look and see the is it 108 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: haut cature that you look at his outfit and Riccardo's yes, 109 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: I mean rubbish of course. And he's the very thing 110 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: that people talk about in the House that you know, 111 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 2: the casualization of the house introduced by Trevor Mallard, And 112 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 2: what Menendez March says is that, in fact, a tuxedo 113 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 2: is not going to improve the behavior of the house. Well, 114 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: in fact, that is absolutely true. But there's got to 115 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 2: be with a Ricardo likes it or not. Some standards 116 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 2: and when you reduce the expectation on dress and how 117 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 2: they turn out sneakers, jeans, t shirts with motifs on them, 118 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: that is not the Parliament. It is not the highest 119 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: core in the land and I think they, all of 120 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 2: them should be showing some respect for the institution of Parliament. 121 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: Often does look like some sort of am dram situations. 122 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: You know, you've got a protest party group. The Maltor 123 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 2: Party is a pro test party and I think we've 124 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 2: seen that more so in the last six months or 125 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 2: so than we've ever seen it before. 126 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: Thank you, Barry, Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent. I might 127 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: quote you back some of what Ricardo had to say 128 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: in just a minute. 129 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 130 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 131 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.