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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spins to find the real story.

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Speaker 1: Or it's Ryan Bridge on Heather duper c Allen Drive

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Speaker 1: with One New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: They'd be good afternoon. Coming up on the show after five,

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Speaker 2: Chris Bishop from the investment summit in Auckland. The Ministry

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Speaker 2: of Health says one thing on Bell cancer, but we've

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Speaker 2: got doctors on the show today who are going to

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Speaker 2: say another. So who's right? Who do we listen to?

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Speaker 2: Nick Smith on the polling boosts our PPP's actually cheaper

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Speaker 2: for us in the long run. We'll ask that question.

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Speaker 2: Jordan Williams and Rob Campbell on the Huddle today. Brig,

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Speaker 2: good to have your company. So far, so good for

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Speaker 2: the investment summit. Of course, the real proof of this

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Speaker 2: maybe even decades for some of these big projects. But

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Speaker 2: for the here and now, the question is did they

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Speaker 2: pull off this thing reasonably well enough to be considered

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Speaker 2: a success, And so far you'd be hard to argue

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Speaker 2: that they haven't. You've got all the suits there controlling

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Speaker 2: six trillion bucks in the room. You've got Ewie money,

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Speaker 2: You've got projects, You've got PPPs on the table. What

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Speaker 2: is not to like from this? There's an Aussie fund

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Speaker 2: that's already said it wants to bid for some of

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Speaker 2: the action. Luxeon's speech, if you saw it this morning,

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Speaker 2: hit all the right notes. You spoke about the tension

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Speaker 2: and the volatility in the world, the global strife, as

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Speaker 2: Where are we safe haven? A we bolt hole at

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Speaker 2: global storm, said Luxon in the room. The investors themselves

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Speaker 2: were apparently quite impressed. We are told the Overseas Investment

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Speaker 2: Act changes. They like those. The fast Track Bill is

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Speaker 2: a big hit. As you can imagine. Any hint of

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Speaker 2: ones after that and for decades ahead, because who wants

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Speaker 2: to set up shop bring in all the laborers, bring

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Speaker 2: in all the machinery, get the ball rolling, and then

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Speaker 2: run out of work nobody, Which is why you don't

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Speaker 2: and raiding the deregulation. Goodie bag that this lot have

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Speaker 2: a bad thing. Steady, predictable, easy going. They good qualities

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Speaker 2: in a foreign investment partner. If you're looking though here

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Speaker 2: that you've come to the wrong place, Ryan Bridge. At

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Speaker 2: was unlawful. In simple terms, nothing can be killed unless

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Speaker 2: a whole bunch of stuff. Now, Sally McKinney is with

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Speaker 2: break it down for us. Good afternoon, Good afternoon, right, Sally.

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Speaker 2: How many projects could this potentially affect?

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Speaker 3: We don't know exactly because there's no public list of

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Speaker 2: So they're not going out and shooting key we are there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, is this a big deal? I mean, does this

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Speaker 3: For the permits where these commercial questions. Yes, there's real

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Speaker 3: Because this covers more than just native species. There's nine

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Speaker 3: It's any wildlife in New Zealand that basically isn't feral

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Speaker 2: It sounds like a bit of a mess. Does what

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Speaker 2: get to Darcy, I'm looking at a picture right now,

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Speaker 2: News TALKSB. It's seventeen minutes after four. That means Darcy's

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Speaker 2: here with Sport. Hey Darcy, Hello, Ryan Boden Barrett. He's

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Speaker 2: going to be back from injury. Actually a little sooner than.

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Speaker 6: We thoughts, well, no one actually knows. Then Cotta seems

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Speaker 6: think it's necessary. The worst thing it's not, you don't

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Speaker 6: It's combative and people.

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Speaker 2: Get broken, broken fingers. And the meantime he's drinking wine.

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Speaker 2: Have you seen that today? He's starting some kind of

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Speaker 6: Read Wine's good for you, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: Well? In dark Chocolate founding not for your fingers. Daniel Dubois,

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Speaker 2: he's confirmed he's ducking out of this Joseph Parker fight

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Speaker 2: what's going on?

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Speaker 6: It's called him fleeing ah, because he was supposed to

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Speaker 6: fight exposed to Joseph Jurassic Parker for the right to,

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Speaker 6: I don't know, but he said, oh no, I can't.

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Speaker 7: So they pulled out of it.

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Speaker 8: So explosives like heh, here we go.

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Speaker 6: So we took on this guy from Africa who was

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Speaker 6: when's our rematch, Daniel, And he's like, nah, I don't think.

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Speaker 7: I want this rematch anymore.

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Speaker 6: I think I'm going to fight looks under usick because

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Speaker 6: that means my belt goes in the line along with

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Speaker 6: his three belts, which means the winner of there becomes

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Speaker 6: the undisputed world champion. Now, the conspiracy theorists are probably right,

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Speaker 6: would say the reason to buy a ran away from

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Speaker 2: Because this is the second time we've had someone running

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Speaker 6: It happens all the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, what sort of sport is this?

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Speaker 2: You can just run away?

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Speaker 6: Stand there and punch. But Joseph would have to be patient.

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Speaker 2: He's coming to us after three thirty. Well then just

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Speaker 1: Four Informed Inside into Today's Issues. It's Ryan Bridge on

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Speaker 2: Be twenty four after four. Great to have your company

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Speaker 2: this afternoon. Now, remember last Friday we were talking about

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Speaker 2: Now some good news this afternoon. We've got tourism numbers

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Speaker 1: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand. Let's get News Talks dB.

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Speaker 9: Good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: That is twenty five away from five News Talks B

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Speaker 2: going to talk to Nick Smith, Local Government, New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: I agree with Nick Smith. Why do we only allow

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Speaker 12: Frankly, we need to have a team in Washington, DC

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Speaker 2: Did really have to, like your colleagues, wouldn't you? It

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Speaker 1: The time International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace

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Speaker 9: Hey are Ryan, Good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Good to heavy here now. Wispec's boss has said, stop

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Speaker 2: Don't even have a date yet. Yeah, let's talk about

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Speaker 2: this hideous woman who American apparently a hunting influencer. Have

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Speaker 2: you heard of a hunting what there was before any

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Speaker 9: Call me stupid, Ryan, I've never heard of it.

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Speaker 2: What's she doing with your one bets?

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Speaker 9: Well? Look, she's apparently wandering around the outback with Australian

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Speaker 9: in front of the camera, the little feet of dangling

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Speaker 9: in the asses, and the man says, look out, the

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Speaker 9: mum's chasing her look out look Out well please, and

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Speaker 9: she posts this on wherever the hell they post these things,

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Speaker 9: and about it's designed to influence people anyway. The penalties

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Speaker 9: for this up to a quarter million dollars if you

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Speaker 9: don't mind, you silly woman, and up to seven years

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Speaker 9: in jail. I mean, look to be fair, the wombat

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Speaker 9: wasn't hurt. Baby are reunited pretty quickly. But I mean,

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Speaker 9: for stupidity, it's a bit hard to think of anything

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Speaker 9: more stupid, really, isn't it.

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Speaker 8: Don't you think?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: That is.

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Speaker 2: It's completely stupid. In fact, the only thing dumber than

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Speaker 2: doing it was putting it on social media. You'd have

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Speaker 2: to say, Mary, you go, thank you for that. Murray

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Speaker 2: Old's our Australia correspondent. Eighteen minutes away from five. You're

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Speaker 2: on news talks. Here be Chris Bishop here on the

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Speaker 2: governor's investment conference in Auckland. How's it going. We won't

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Speaker 2: just ask him, though, We're also going to ask some

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Speaker 2: of the attendees what they thought. Barry Soper here next

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Speaker 2: Peters in his war on woke golf coming home at

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Speaker 2: the weekend. It's all on.

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Speaker 1: Politics with Centric C to check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: pement certainty.

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Speaker 2: News talks here. B it's quarter to five Barry Soapers here.

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Speaker 2: Hi Berry, good afternoon, Ran, Hey, not much. I'm glad

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Speaker 2: to see you're covering the international investments. More coverage of

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Speaker 2: Just Sinda's children's book today.

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Speaker 7: Look, I saw that I've got a children's book of

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Speaker 7: Just Dorn at home. I refuse to read it. It's

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Speaker 7: so crappy. Little boy I read it. I read it

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Speaker 7: once to him and I thought, what does it mean?

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Speaker 2: It was just rubbish one that she's written, or one.

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Speaker 7: Fairness to her, it was about her life children, And

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Speaker 7: I thought somebody gave it to us as probably as

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Speaker 7: a joke. But we were doing this. And when I

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Speaker 7: saw the headline on another book today for kids, I thought, no.

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Speaker 2: No, well clear of My favorite book kid's book was

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Speaker 2: The Train That's Afraid of the Dark. Did you have

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Speaker 2: a favorite when you were growing up?

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Speaker 11: Oh?

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Speaker 7: Probably Donald Duck or something.

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Speaker 2: Hey, enough of that nonsense. He is this summit so

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Speaker 2: Lass basically turned salesman.

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Speaker 7: Oh, he most certainly has. And you know, the timing

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Speaker 7: of the summit actually couldn't be better when you consider

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Speaker 7: that the international trade war as well and truly underway

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Speaker 7: with Donald Trump. There's economic uncertainty throughout the world, and

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Speaker 7: we're sort of saying, look, we've got all this opportunity

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Speaker 7: in this country, so let's hope that projects come through

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Speaker 7: and these people start investing to that end. I see

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Speaker 7: you're going to be interviewing Chris Bishop Lader the Fast Track.

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Speaker 7: There were three projects announced today as part of the

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Speaker 7: Fast Track, and it's great. But what they're trying to

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Speaker 7: do is look at infrastructure this country, hospital, schools, pipes, roads, prisons, etc.

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Speaker 7: And getting some money into the country for those New

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Speaker 7: Zealand if you listen to the Prime Minister, it is

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Speaker 7: a safe shelter. That's what he told these people at

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Speaker 7: the summit today, and he said that when you look

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Speaker 7: at the tension. I thought his speech was actually pretty good. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: when you look at the tension and the volatility and

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Speaker 7: strife in the world today, he thinks this country is

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Speaker 7: pretty special. And he said there was a lot to

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Speaker 7: crow about when it comes to this country. And he

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Speaker 7: cited the great innovators of New Zealand, Ernest Rutherford splitting

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Speaker 7: the atoms, going back a long way. But he also

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Speaker 7: mentioned Peter from a rocket lab and I remember I

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Speaker 7: met Peterbeck once on an in New Zealand inaugural flight

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Speaker 7: into Vancouver, and we were up in Whistler and I

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Speaker 7: was standing on a platform on a flying Fox with

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Speaker 7: this young bloke with a really strange hat on, and

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Speaker 7: I said to him, so what are you? And two

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Speaker 7: what are you on this mission? He saw him into rockets.

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Speaker 7: I thought, a rocket man. Off you go, so off

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Speaker 7: he went on the flying Fox. I just wish i'd

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Speaker 7: taken him more seriously.

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Speaker 2: Made a bit of money. But not just because of that,

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Speaker 2: but because he's from down your way. He's from Southland too,

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Speaker 2: so you would have had a great connecttion. Well, if i'd.

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Speaker 7: Realized that, I didn't realize at the time, Ryan, I

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Speaker 7: would have been all over him. But there you go.

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Speaker 2: And now Winston was all over golf. Golf's now coming home.

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Speaker 2: He's actually quite quickly too home this weekend.

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Speaker 11: Well, it's incredible.

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Speaker 7: And you think, and I saw golf when he was

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Speaker 7: home last time. I went to the British High Commission

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Speaker 7: ball in Wellington and ran into.

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Speaker 2: Phil Gold showing off, I have not anything else. Do

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Speaker 2: you want to get off with the Queen?

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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Speaker 7: Yes, I've met the Queen several times. But no, but yeah,

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Speaker 7: where will we Gough? So the story that Gough told

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Speaker 7: me it wasn't very pleasant one. He said he came

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Speaker 7: back to his house here in Auckland and it had

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Speaker 7: been burgled and ransacked, so it wasn't a very pleasant

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Speaker 7: homecoming for him. Then this would be probably not as

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Speaker 7: bad as that. But when you're concerned, last week he

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Speaker 7: thought he had a job for a few more years

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Speaker 7: in London, made a silly remark in Old Winston said

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Speaker 7: times up mate.

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Speaker 2: Harsh punishment, but probably a necesss three one. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: think so. Now Peters is continuing his war on woke.

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Speaker 2: What's the update today? Well, I love it.

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Speaker 7: Because you know, Winston's going out and saying that you

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Speaker 7: know this Tek Hunger lead that advertised the mystery Foreign

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Speaker 7: Affairs for one hundred and forty five to one hundred

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Speaker 7: and seventy grand a year, not a bad job to

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Speaker 7: basically sell the concept around customary practices and principles for

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Speaker 7: MALDI within the department. So not bad. But Peter's had

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Speaker 7: a look at this, said no, no, it's not going

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Speaker 7: to happen and canceled the ad and it was taken

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Speaker 7: offline today. But he's been taken to issue at himself,

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Speaker 7: basically because he essentially in his own parties constitution it

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Speaker 7: says that MPs should consider or should be considered if

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Speaker 7: they have different different genders, social group ages, ethnic groups,

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Speaker 7: and they should that's the sort of people they should

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Speaker 7: be looking at. Well, that's not work. I don't know

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Speaker 7: what is Labour's CRUs Hipkins He said that Peter's war

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Speaker 7: on Wokism should be actually seen for what it is.

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Speaker 13: Winston Peter's absolutely adores Donald Trump. He wants to be

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Speaker 13: just like him. He's a pay limitation, but he's giving

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Speaker 13: it a go. I think this is just typical saber

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Speaker 13: rattling by Winston Peters. The reality here is no one

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Speaker 13: is getting their job in the public service because solely

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Speaker 13: because of their agenda, or their identity or their ethnicity.

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Speaker 13: They're getting their job because they are the best person

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Speaker 13: for the job.

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Speaker 7: It's news to me because there is a lot of

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Speaker 7: bars within the public servers.

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Speaker 2: But it's so hard to prove that's the problem, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: How do you say, oh, that person's there because they're

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Speaker 2: missing a leg or whatever.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right. I don't know if the missing leg

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Speaker 7: is the right analogy or they've got three n't be

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Speaker 7: quite good?

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Speaker 2: Actually, thank you? Serious politics, isn't it very sober? And

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Speaker 2: News Talks Senior political correspondent. Coming up next, I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you the inflation numbers out from the US. Actually they

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Speaker 2: are better than expected. But that doesn't mean it's necessarily

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Speaker 2: time to pop up in the champagne and celebrate. I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you why.

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Speaker 1: Digging into the issues that have beg you.

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Speaker 2: The mic asking Breakfast, Welcome to.

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Speaker 14: The International Investment Day. I found it to what bewildering

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Speaker 14: on us say. It is not said that Gimmy Anderson

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Speaker 14: on the show yesterday said foreign investment wasn't the answer

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Speaker 14: to our problems, because actually it is.

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Speaker 2: The plan is to write the world.

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Speaker 15: Is washed with cash.

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Speaker 16: Absolutely so about a lot of opportunities. Right thing one

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Speaker 16: needs to compete.

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Speaker 2: We once had our act together.

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Speaker 14: Today and tomorrow hopefully is about restoring our rightful place

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Speaker 14: as progressive. Go yet back tomorrow at six am the

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Speaker 14: Mic hosking Breakfast with the rain Driver, the Laugh News

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Speaker 14: Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: Great to have your company, just gone six minutes away

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Speaker 2: from five. Now after five o'clock, I'm gonna talk to

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Speaker 2: Chris Bishop. He's the Infrastructure Minister here is the man

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Speaker 2: in charge of the summit in Auckland. That everybody is

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Speaker 2: talking what most people are talking about, but we're also

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Speaker 2: going to hear from an investor about how they think

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Speaker 2: that the conference is going. You know, what's the chatter

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Speaker 2: and the room like amongst those have come over, particulars

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Speaker 2: who come from overseas. That's really what we want to know.

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Speaker 2: So we'll look at that and speak to Chris Bishop

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Speaker 2: after five o'clock. Now over and in the United States,

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Speaker 2: inflation obviously a number we want to watch very closely

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Speaker 2: because it dictates well a lot of their economy obviously

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Speaker 2: have an effect on the FED, and it's the world's

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Speaker 2: largest economy, so that has an effect on us. Now,

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Speaker 2: they've got their February inflation numbers out up two point

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Speaker 2: eight percent, which is down from three percent in January,

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Speaker 2: so that's good news. Markets were expecting two point nine,

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Speaker 2: so it's a bit surprising. On the upside, that is good.

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Speaker 2: Core inflation is up three point one percent. Now, that

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Speaker 2: is the lowest number year on year since twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 2: which is to say that all of this is good news,

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Speaker 2: but nobody's celebrating nobody's quite popping the champagne corks just yet. Why, Well,

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Speaker 2: it's the tariff monster, isn't it. Trump's tariff monster coming

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Speaker 2: to gobble up all of the gains. That is what

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Speaker 2: people are worried about. That is what the markets are

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Speaker 2: worried about. They opened with a breath of relief this

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Speaker 2: morning and then they pull back. So there you go.

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Speaker 2: That's inflation out of the US. Time is now five

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Speaker 2: away from five bridge. I find this story fascinating. You

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Speaker 2: know you to joke, well, did you joke that once

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Speaker 2: you got married you'd get fat? You know, you're skinny.

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Speaker 2: To your wedding day, you put your dress on, you

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Speaker 2: put your suit on, and you look good, and that

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Speaker 2: is about as good as you. That's the hottest you

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Speaker 2: will ever look. From there, it's a downhill slide into

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Speaker 2: obesity basically. Well, actually they've did this is Polish cardiologists.

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Speaker 2: They've looked at the data and they have found that

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Speaker 2: marriage triples the risk of obesity, but only in men,

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Speaker 2: not in women. So married men three point two times

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Speaker 2: more likely to be obese than unmarried men, which is interesting.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know why that is. I mean, obviously,

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Speaker 2: if you're if you're single, you need to be a bit.

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Speaker 2: You need to look after the way that you you

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Speaker 2: know your parents so that you might attract a mate

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Speaker 2: if that's what you're after. But also maybe just thinking

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Speaker 2: about what my relationships like at home, Not that you

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Speaker 2: care or want to know, but you know, sometimes you

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Speaker 2: can get fit a lot of food, you know, And

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Speaker 2: I just wonder, I just wonder whether that might have

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Speaker 2: something to do with these numbers. News Top CMB Chris Bishop.

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Speaker 2: The investments summit underway in Auckland right now and on

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Speaker 2: the table. We've got PPPs to build, finance, maintain this

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Speaker 2: new section of the Northern Expressway. We've got three new

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Speaker 2: courthouses and a revamped Christ Church Men's prison. Brett Sheppard.

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Speaker 2: He's from Craig's Investments Investment Partners. He is there representing

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Speaker 2: investors and he says, so far they're liking what they're hearing.

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Speaker 15: The people.

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Speaker 18: I've talked to you last night and again this morning,

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Speaker 18: absolutely committed on the basis that there was a continuation

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Speaker 18: of a program that they believe so commit human capital,

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Speaker 18: knowing that as bipartisan that'll see through an election cycle

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Speaker 18: and it's on a sustainable basis.

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Speaker 2: Is Key Chris Bishops and charges with us now home minister,

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Speaker 2: good day, How are you good? Thank you? Anything tangible

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Speaker 2: come out of this year or is it fair to

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Speaker 2: say this is deals will be done later.

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Speaker 19: Deals will be done later and in the coming weeks,

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Speaker 19: months and years ahead. This is about a long term pipeline.

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Speaker 19: I mean one tangible commitment we've already had today from

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Speaker 19: Plenary Group for its They've promised to set up in

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Speaker 19: New Zealand office here and they promised to bid on

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Speaker 19: the next five PPP opportunities that come up. So that

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Speaker 19: is actually a commitment they've just made, I think in

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Speaker 19: the last twenty four hours on the basis of what

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Speaker 19: they've heard it the summer and then the lead up

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Speaker 19: to it.

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Speaker 2: So that's good, That is good. The bipartisan thing obviously

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Speaker 2: very important. You've got Barbara Edmund speaking tomorrow. How I mean,

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Speaker 2: do you have an agreement that whatever you decide while

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Speaker 2: you're in government, they'll stick to because that's really what

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Speaker 2: these guys want to know.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, that's been a constant theme of today is hearing

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Speaker 19: from the delegates. They like the fact that you've got

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Speaker 19: national and labor in the room, being mature, grown up

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Speaker 19: adults agreeing on working on a pipeline and also the

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Speaker 19: funding model. So Barbara Edmunds wrote a forward to the

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Speaker 19: PPP document that we released as a government. That is

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Speaker 19: really important, and I'm working with her on the thirty

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Speaker 19: year Plan for Infrastructure in New Zealand and I actively

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Speaker 19: want to involve the opposition in that. And I think

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Speaker 19: the reality is we need as a country to do

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Speaker 19: that right because these guys long term certainty, they want

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Speaker 19: to invest in New Zealand. They need to understand that

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Speaker 19: their investments are safe and secure and that there's also

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Speaker 19: a pipeline so that they can invest in human capital

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Speaker 19: and they can invest in the kit and the machinery.

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Speaker 2: So that is really important.

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Speaker 19: Frankly, if we're honest about it, we haven't been very

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Speaker 19: good at that as a country. Governments come and go

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Speaker 19: on the project, come and go. Let's get mature about it.

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Speaker 19: Let's be adults in the room and build for New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: All right, Chris Bishop, thanks so much for your time.

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Speaker 2: That's the Infrastructure Minister, Chris Bishop in Auckland nine minutes

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Speaker 2: after five. Ryan, So we brought you this story last

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Speaker 2: week of the bow screening program. The government has moved

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Speaker 2: to lower the age for everybody from sixty down to

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Speaker 2: fifty eight. Now that has meant that they have cut

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Speaker 2: a program that was lowering the age from sixty down

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Speaker 2: to fifty for two particular ethnic groups, for Marty and Pacifica. Now,

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Speaker 2: last week I asked the Health Minister whether Mardy and

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Speaker 2: Pacifica are more predisposed to getting bowel cancer at a

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Speaker 2: younger age. This is what he said.

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Speaker 20: No, the advice is that bow cancer risk is similar

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Speaker 20: across all population groups at the same age. So that

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Speaker 20: that's the evenize that we've presented by the Ministry of Health.

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Speaker 2: So listening to that with some doctors who thought there

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Speaker 2: was something wrong. Matt Wheeler is with the Royal Australasian

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Speaker 2: College of Physicians. Matt, Hello kid, how are you? Kelber

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Speaker 2: Gi Calder? Thanks for being with me. Is that true?

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Speaker 4: From what I have seen? And I think the caveat

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Speaker 4: here is that I'm a hematologist I'm not an on collegist,

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Speaker 4: but I'm also a general physician and so do work

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Speaker 4: quite significantly in diagnosing cancers. But from what I can

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Speaker 4: see from the experts, and this includes groups from the

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Speaker 4: University of Otago, Hey, Yahood, and Malway, that's not true

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Speaker 4: that the actual peak age of diagnosis of bow cancers

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Speaker 4: is earlier in Mary than non Marty. And that was

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Speaker 4: why the original screening program had bow screening down to

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Speaker 4: the age of fifty for Marty and Pacifica, yet had

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Speaker 4: the screening age stop its down to sixty for non

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Speaker 4: Marti populations. Because of that difference in an age of

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Speaker 4: diagnosis and and the proportion of young diagnosises of bowel cancer.

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Speaker 2: What you're saying is quite significant then, because basically you're

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Speaker 2: saying the Ministry of Health is wrong when they say

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Speaker 2: that bowel cancer risk is similar. Doesn't matter what color

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Speaker 2: you are.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred and and there's a there's plenty of

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Speaker 4: publications and groups that have previously said it. There's even

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Speaker 4: a specific report that was produced by the Marty Doctors

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Speaker 4: Association called the Order that specifically said that that firsty

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Speaker 4: processible bowel cancers were diagnosed in Marty under the age

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Speaker 4: of sixty, and there's there's some quite significant graphs out

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Speaker 4: there that show the peak age and incidents is different

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Speaker 4: from but it's non marty.

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Speaker 2: So so when because the minister says that this will

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Speaker 2: save an additional one hundred and seventy six lives over

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Speaker 2: twenty five years, you guys have put out a press

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Speaker 2: release today saying that this will cause more deaths. So

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Speaker 2: you can't both be right. So for anyone listening at home,

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is a bit of a stale mate,

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Speaker 2: isn't it.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's all about how you crunch the numbers. So

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Speaker 4: if you if you look at the number of additional

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Speaker 4: deaths that would prevented over twenty five years for the

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Speaker 4: lowered age, which is down to fifty, you were actually

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Speaker 4: getting three hundred and ninety deaths that you would prevent

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Speaker 4: over twenty five years. That's three hundred and ninety people.

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Speaker 4: That's three hundred ninety five Noh, that would lose a

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Speaker 4: loved one. By changing the age for everyone down to

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Speaker 4: fifty eight, you prevent five hundred and sixty six deaths. Now,

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Speaker 4: that's simply because the non multi population, including the mighty population.

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Speaker 4: By shifting that down to fifty eight is just sheer greater.

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Speaker 4: So they're talking the whole numbers. But isn't that the

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Speaker 4: point of a difference.

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Speaker 2: A public health system should try and do the greatest

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Speaker 2: good for the greatest number of people, should it not.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you if you've got limited money and

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Speaker 2: you can save an additional one hundred and seventy six lives,

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Speaker 2: shouldn't you go with that option? Otherwise you I mean,

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Speaker 2: you're saying you would kill more.

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Speaker 4: Well, the answer then is why aren't you doing both?

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Speaker 4: Because what you're what this isn't what we're not talking

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Speaker 4: here limited standardization. So if you're well, but they've said

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Speaker 4: that there's money, and they've said they've said there's money

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Speaker 4: time and again when when the need is required and

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Speaker 4: so when this is the difference between equality and equity,

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Speaker 4: and equality is about trying to do the most good

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Speaker 4: for the most number of people. But that doesn't account

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Speaker 4: for the fact that some people get diagnosed with cancers

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Speaker 4: ten years earlier than others. And so what we do

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Speaker 4: in health as we quite often we talk about quality

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Speaker 4: adjusted life years, and that's talking about if you've got

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Speaker 4: an age standardized rate where you're diagnosed with things at

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Speaker 4: a younger age that that actually for the amount of

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Speaker 4: money that you're you're getting.

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Speaker 2: I get that. But that's that's the other point that

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Speaker 2: we're still debating right now, isn't it. Because the Ministry

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Speaker 2: of Health has said one thing about that particular issue,

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Speaker 2: and you've got your telling me today another. So we

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Speaker 2: need to go ask the Ministry of Health what the

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Speaker 2: hell is going on.

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Speaker 4: So one of the things that we said in our

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Speaker 4: statement is show as you're working, where is your where

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Speaker 4: is your evidence? Because we can cite studies that are

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Speaker 4: published in the medical literature that back up what I'm

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Speaker 4: necessarily saying, and as I said, from groups from the

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Speaker 4: University of Otarget.

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Speaker 2: We'll areome so well awesome, weill awesome because because we

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Speaker 2: have to leave it here, but we will. We will

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Speaker 2: ask the Ministry of Health to tell us exactly how

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Speaker 2: they figured that out, appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's the question that we're necessarily asking

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Speaker 4: because if the advice is wrong, where where the where

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Speaker 4: the College of Fish deal with this, that are here

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Speaker 4: to help as in how is needed?

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Speaker 2: All right, Matt, thanks for your time. Matt Wheeler, Royal

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Speaker 2: Australasian College of Physicians now we have reached out to

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Speaker 2: the Ministry of Health. We've asked them to tell us

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Speaker 2: to basically show us you're working. How did you come

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Speaker 2: to that conclusion? So we'll keep you updated on what

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Speaker 2: they have to say. Just gone quarter past five here

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Speaker 2: on News Talk, sirb has anyone watched Maths Married at

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Speaker 2: First Sight in Australia? The New Zella one was rubbish,

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Speaker 2: but the Australian one is apparently quite good. I haven't

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Speaker 2: been watching this season. Apparently it's gone pretty hectic over

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Speaker 2: in Australia. People like guys punching walls. We reached out

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Speaker 2: to one of the participants on this show today to

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Speaker 2: have a chat to them, and they emailed our producer

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Speaker 2: back saying, actually I can't talk to you because I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm with the police and they're protecting me from my

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Speaker 2: TV husband. So things that have really taken a corner. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: We've got a critic on the show to talk about

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Speaker 2: this next it is five eighteen News Talks heirb Ryan.

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Speaker 2: I had bowl cancer at fifty. I'm a New Zealand European,

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Speaker 2: so screening for all should start at fifty, says Neil. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I agree. In theory you would have screening for all

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Speaker 2: starting at fifty, but that's very, very expensive, which is

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Speaker 2: why it hasn't been done. So then you start talking

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Speaker 2: about what are the priorities, and surely the health system

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Speaker 2: would be about the greatest good for the greatest number.

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Speaker 2: Maybe not nine two ninety two, it's nineteen after five.

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Speaker 2: Nick Smith on local government voting after five point thirty two?

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Speaker 2: Right now? Has reality TV gone too far? This is

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Speaker 2: Married at First Sight in Australia. It's always been a

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Speaker 2: controversial show, but now there's an uproar because the equivalent

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Speaker 2: over there of Work Safe is investigating Channel nine, and

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Speaker 2: that's the production company that makes Maths, raising questions about

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Speaker 2: its future. It's all after an episode where a groom

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Speaker 2: punches of wall and frustration. Entertainment report Carl Pushman is

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Speaker 2: with us Carl good evening, No, right, how are you good?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? So the debate here is apparently they're hiring

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Speaker 2: casting people with domestic violence issues, right, and some people say,

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Speaker 2: well that's bad, But then isn't this reality TV? I mean,

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Speaker 2: isn't that what it should be?

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Speaker 21: Well, reality TV should be bad, that's what makes it

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Speaker 21: so good to watch. So entertaining to watch. Should you

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Speaker 21: be hiring people with domestic abuse violence in their past?

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Speaker 21: Probably not. You can still get you know, good bad

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Speaker 21: people that don't necessarily have that in their past. That

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Speaker 21: incident wasn't actually shown on the show, so there's no

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Speaker 21: way we can tell what happened or see exactly what happened.

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Speaker 21: But by all the accounts that have been on the show,

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Speaker 21: it does sound pretty serious. You know, you can't go

851
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Speaker 21: around punching wolves just because you're a little bit upset

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Speaker 21: about something. And the show's response hasn't been particularly great either.

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Speaker 21: They have kept the guy on obviously, ratings, viewings, we're

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Speaker 21: talking about it now. It's all this, you know, what's

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Speaker 21: the old saying no publicity is bad publicity. Perhaps it

856
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Speaker 21: is if their safe workplace is getting involved. Maybe that

857
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Speaker 21: is when we've found that line.

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Speaker 2: Is there a g because I feel like we have

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Speaker 2: this debates that of every couple of years about particularly

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Speaker 2: maths in Australia, it's a particularly feral version of the show.

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Speaker 2: Is there a genuine risk this time it could be

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Speaker 2: shut down? Do you reckon?

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Speaker 21: I don't think they'll close it down. I mean that

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Speaker 21: risk is there, Like once the authorities are involved. Possibly

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Speaker 21: if they get stung with some massive, multimillion dollar fine

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Speaker 21: that makes it impossible to continue. Perhaps, But it's such

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Speaker 21: a juggernaut of entertainment, and it's become so much part

868
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Speaker 21: of the yearly viewing calendar that I think they'll fight

869
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Speaker 21: pretty hard to keep it on screens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's been making them too much money. Carl,

871
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Speaker 2: thank you for that. Carl Pushman, Entertainment Report at Times

872
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: twenty one minutes after five news talks, there be after

873
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Speaker 2: six we're going to talk to actually one of the

874
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Speaker 2: investors who's representing apparently close to a trillion dollars worth

875
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 2: of investors, so they're representing a whole bunch of others.

876
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 2: What's he got to say about how today has gone?

877
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: It's essentially been minister after minister after prime minister talking

878
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: to you about their portfolios. Has that been helpful for them?

879
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,959
Speaker 2: Does that make you want to go out and spend

880
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 2: your money here? We was talking about that. After six

881
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 2: o'clock we're also going to talk to Liam Dan the

882
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: brain drain. Apparently we might have hit peak, finally hit

883
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Speaker 2: peak brain drain, which means we can craw back some

884
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Speaker 2: of our obviously no one from maths but craw back

885
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Speaker 2: some of our kiwis to New Zealand shores. Twenty two

886
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Speaker 2: minutes after five News talks at be.

887
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Speaker 1: Getting the facts discarding the fluff. It's Ryan Bridge on

888
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Speaker 1: Heather Duplice Allen Drive with one New Zealand Let's get

889
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: connected News talks'd be.

890
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Speaker 2: Five twenty four. Good evening to you. A couple of

891
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 2: reminders today that good intentions, while laudable well nice to have,

892
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Speaker 2: don't change the world, not on their own. Our former

893
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister was back in the news today for a

894
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Speaker 2: children's book and good Honor. She's getting on with life

895
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Speaker 2: after politics, writing a few books. We all need to

896
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Speaker 2: move on good, but we can't forget that even though

897
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Speaker 2: our leaders may have good intentions they mean well, they care,

898
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Speaker 2: it doesn't mean they can help. Be at child poverty,

899
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Speaker 2: be at housing, be at hospitals, you name it. You

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Speaker 2: need skills, competence and an ability to deliver as well.

901
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: Also out today a story about an ethical fashion brand

902
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: in Wellington that's gone under. They wanted their products to

903
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Speaker 2: be sourced from certain places, yet they wanted them to

904
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Speaker 2: be affordable for people, and they employed thirty one migrants

905
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Speaker 2: and refugees. Now, that is a laudable goal. Those are

906
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Speaker 2: excellent things to strive for, and I think they're brave

907
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Speaker 2: for giving it a go, and good on them for

908
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Speaker 2: doing it. But they have realized that their costs were

909
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Speaker 2: too high. Their prices would have had to go higher,

910
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Speaker 2: and that didn't fit well with their ethical stance, so

911
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Speaker 2: they have shut Those people who were employed now won't

912
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Speaker 2: be and that is a real shame. But it goes

913
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Speaker 2: to show that good intentions, ethics, virtue value on their

914
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Speaker 2: own don't necessarily change the world. Ryan Bridge, twenty six

915
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Speaker 2: after five News talks there b Rob Campbell, aut chancellor,

916
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Speaker 2: former boss of Health end Z. He's with us after

917
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 2: five point thirty on the huddle, also Jordan Williams from

918
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 2: the taxpayers and you need to be with us too.

919
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump today, well, not actually today, in the last

920
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Speaker 2: couple of hours, so I guess that is today he's

921
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Speaker 2: come out and said this is his Environmental Protection Agency

922
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Speaker 2: reversed a whole bunch of Biden era pollution laws and

923
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Speaker 2: landmark findings on carbon emissions, et cetera. The Environmental Protection

924
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Speaker 2: Authority in the US is now going to investigate weather.

925
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Speaker 2: Greenhouse gases are in fact bad for human health. I know,

926
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Speaker 2: back to the drawing board a little bit on that

927
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Speaker 2: one twenty seven after five huddle.

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Speaker 17: Next yourself to Myself, my prison, my hell, Molly, Liberal.

929
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Speaker 1: Pudding, the challenging questions to the people at the heart

930
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Speaker 1: of the story. It's Ryan Bridge on, Hither duplicy all

931
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Speaker 1: and drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

932
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Speaker 9: It'd be.

933
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Speaker 17: The first time.

934
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Speaker 2: Good evening, great to have your company on this Thursday afternoon.

935
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Speaker 2: The huddle coming your way just shortly with Rob Campbell

936
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Speaker 2: and Jordan Williams. Lots to discuss and a lot of

937
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Speaker 2: you are texting, and actually about the debate over bow cancer.

938
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Speaker 2: Not debating bell cancer, but how you treat bell cancer

939
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Speaker 2: and who should get the treatment. We'll get to that shortly.

940
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Speaker 2: Also after six this evening. They reckon this is the economy.

941
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Speaker 2: I reckon that the brain drain might be starting to

942
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Speaker 2: turn a corner. We've obviously been losing a lot of

943
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Speaker 2: talent to particularly to Australia. We've lost half our brain

944
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Speaker 2: to Sydney, it feels like, and so that's starting to

945
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Speaker 2: turn a corner. We had one hundred and twenty two

946
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Speaker 2: thousand leaving for the year to January. These are the

947
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Speaker 2: new numbers. That's up eighteen percent. Arrivals down to thirty

948
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Speaker 2: one percent, so that's obviously not great, but some early

949
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Speaker 2: indications that it's starting to turn. So we'll get to

950
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Speaker 2: that after six o'clock news talks. There be twenty five

951
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Speaker 2: twenty four away from six now. Ryan Bridge Local Government,

952
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Speaker 2: New Zealand wants polling stations and ballot boxes for local elections,

953
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Speaker 2: get rid of the postal voting. They reckon Nick Smith's

954
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Speaker 2: with Local Government New Zealand, the Electoral Reform chair. Good evening,

955
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Speaker 2: Nick A, good to be on your program right, thanks

956
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 2: for being here. So is it what people not turning

957
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 2: up to vote? We know that's a problem. Do you

958
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Speaker 2: think this will change that?

959
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Speaker 16: Yes? I do, And I think we've got two big problems.

960
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Speaker 16: The first is for thirty years we've seen a decline

961
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Speaker 16: in the participation in our local elections. When I first

962
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Speaker 16: in the nineteen eighties, we're up at about sixty percent,

963
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Speaker 16: we're down to forty percent. That compares with eighty percent

964
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Speaker 16: of people voting in our parliamentary elections. And then the

965
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Speaker 16: other clinger is that post is in a death spiral.

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Speaker 16: The numbers of letters has declined by about ninety percent.

967
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Speaker 16: There's lots of people that even don't have a letter

968
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Speaker 16: box or certainly don't check one, and that is negatively

969
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Speaker 16: impacting on people being part of our local elections. And

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Speaker 16: the real problem with it, Ryan is for mayors or

971
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Speaker 16: councils to be able to speak for their communities when

972
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Speaker 16: you've now got well less than half the people voting.

973
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Speaker 16: It's a real risk and if we really believe in

974
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Speaker 16: our democracy, we need to sort it.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you because I just think about my

976
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Speaker 2: own situation. If I had a letter, you know thing

977
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Speaker 2: I've got to fill in and then I've got to

978
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Speaker 2: remember to, you know, take it with me into the car,

979
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Speaker 2: put it in a bag, then remember to get it

980
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Speaker 2: out and go to a post bar. I've never been

981
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Speaker 2: to a postbox in the last ten years. I mean,

982
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Speaker 2: if there was somewhere I could go and tick my box,

983
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Speaker 2: it would be a lot easier.

984
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Speaker 16: And the other part is we know the parliamentary election

985
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Speaker 16: system works, and one of the advantages of having the

986
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Speaker 16: Electoral Commission run it is they run it on a

987
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Speaker 16: nationwide basis. We know the habit and we've got a

988
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 16: level of participation. It's actually one of the highest in

989
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Speaker 16: the world. Now, the other part advantages I've got is

990
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Speaker 16: we'll all remember the Orange Man and his dog that

991
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Speaker 16: encourage us to get out to vote. They spend about

992
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 16: four bucks of voter on that campaign. In comparison, councils

993
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Speaker 16: each run their own sort of little ad hoc campaign,

994
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 16: averagely spending about a ninth of that. And you do

995
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 16: get what you pay for. And so I'm keen to

996
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 16: recruit the Orange Man and the dog and getting him

997
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 16: doing his job when we do our council elections.

998
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when the better is better than forty percent,

999
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 2: which is the current turn out, which is not great. Nick,

1000
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 2: thank you for that. Next minute, who is with the

1001
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Speaker 2: Electoral Reform Chair at Local Government New Zealand. Time is

1002
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Speaker 2: twenty two minutes away.

1003
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Speaker 1: From six the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty

1004
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: Find You're one of a kind.

1005
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 2: Rob Campbell, aut chancellor and former Boss of Health ends

1006
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 2: edits with us tonight. Hey Rob, Hey, Ryan, how are

1007
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: you good? Thank you? Jordan Williams is here two Taxpayers

1008
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 2: Union evening.

1009
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 8: Jordan, get a Ryan.

1010
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 2: Now let's start with I don't even know whether well, yeah,

1011
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 2: the local election thing, just because we're talking to Next Smith.

1012
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 2: For me, it's a no brainer, and I would rather

1013
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: I didn't even ask him how much it costs, because honestly,

1014
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 2: I just don't care. I think local government is the

1015
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 2: neglected poor cousin of central government, and that's because no

1016
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 2: one bothers to vote for it, and we should be.

1017
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 2: So anything they can do to help, robbody reckon.

1018
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think anything we can do to get those

1019
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 8: numbers up is really good. Obviously, postal voting is a

1020
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 8: thing of history. Really, as long as they make a

1021
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 8: real effort to get out into communities to make it

1022
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:04,439
Speaker 8: easy for people to get to vote and explain it, well,

1023
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 8: I'm fully in favor of making that change. I understand

1024
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 8: Marisa are quite good at collecting votes. Ryan, that muth

1025
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 8: another way to go about it.

1026
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 2: And photo copy them. Wait was that a joke? Rob,

1027
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 2: I'm without.

1028
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 8: Oh you know me, Ryan, it was partly a joke,

1029
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 8: but it's also no. A are actually very good at

1030
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 8: doing that kind of thing. And one thing I did

1031
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 8: object to about what Nick Smith was saying was that

1032
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 8: Orange Man and his dog annoyed the hell out of me.

1033
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 8: I prefer to have the stick man that does the

1034
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 8: supermarket ads personally do.

1035
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 2: I'm not even sure we can call it a man

1036
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 2: these days, aren't it? Because that didn't have any genitalia.

1037
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 2: So it's very unsure, very uncertain, Jordan, what do you reckon?

1038
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 22: This is getting an intellectual for me. Of course, my

1039
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 22: understanding was we moved postal voting to increase turnout. I

1040
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 22: think it's a strange argument that al Jeans are making,

1041
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 22: but I actually support the measure. The bigger question around

1042
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 22: postal voting was the integrity and security of the system.

1043
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 22: I suspect requiring people to turn up like national elections

1044
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 22: may actually reduce turnout, but if it means you've got

1045
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 22: more confidence in the end result, and there's been a

1046
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 22: few examples in recent years where real, just prima facie,

1047
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 22: you know, things really haven't looked right, and there's been

1048
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 22: suspicions of funny business. That's worthwhile. But of course it's

1049
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 22: logical that local body turnout would be lower because until

1050
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 22: you own property, you don't really have the main interface

1051
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 22: with local government, and that is paying right now.

1052
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 2: I get that, But you're saying, if it's tag away

1053
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 2: the postal and go into your local town, hall that

1054
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 2: would lower turnout. I think it would. I would anything

1055
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 2: it would increase turn out, or at least stay the

1056
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 2: same moment. I can't think of anyone in my life

1057
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 2: like my grandma. She does post a voting, but she

1058
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 2: would just go into the town hall.

1059
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 9: You know.

1060
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 22: The idea was that it gave you longer to vote.

1061
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 22: You know that you got it in the mail. You

1062
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 22: could do it at any time. The thing is having

1063
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 22: an election day. We have to go along and on

1064
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 22: a certain day. The idea was when we moved to

1065
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 22: postal voting, that it would increase turnout. I think it's

1066
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 22: strange to make the same argument going back, although having

1067
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 22: said that, I mean, you're right, we post.

1068
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 2: This conflicted today, Jordan, don't you.

1069
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 4: Of course?

1070
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Speaker 8: Jordan, I guess if we prioritize the post office, you

1071
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 8: would be happy because it'll be generating income for it, wouldn't.

1072
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 2: There We go, We'll come back in a second because

1073
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 2: I want to ask you both about I'm really genuinely

1074
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 2: interested to get to the bottom of what's going on

1075
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 2: with our bows screening program and whether the role of

1076
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 2: the health system is to try and save the biggest

1077
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 2: number you know that have the best impact on the

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Speaker 2: largest number of people or not. Rob Campbell and Jordan Williams.

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Speaker 1: Next the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the

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Speaker 1: ones with Local and Global Reach.

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Speaker 2: US talk ZB. It is quarter to six now. The

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Speaker 2: government is lowering the age for everybody for bow screening,

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Speaker 2: for bow cancer screening to fifty eight. Now, that is

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Speaker 2: an expensive thing to do. To do that, they have

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Speaker 2: a cutting a program that had lowered the age for

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Speaker 2: Mardi and Pacifica down to fifty. I asked Simeon Brown

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Speaker 2: last week. Are Mardi and Pacifica more predisposed to bow cancer?

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Speaker 2: And this is what he said.

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Speaker 20: No, The advice is that bow cancer risk is similar

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Speaker 20: similar across all population groups at the same age. So

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Speaker 20: that that's the even right that we've presented by the

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Speaker 20: Ministry of Health.

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Speaker 2: Now Rob Campbell, aut Chancellor, the former Health and Z boss,

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Speaker 2: Jordan Williams, Taxpayers and they're on the huddle to night, guys,

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Speaker 2: welcome back. So we've had physicians come out today and

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Speaker 2: say the Royal Australasian College A physicians say that's not

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Speaker 2: the case. What do you make of this, Rob.

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Speaker 8: Well, either the Minister has misinterpreted what the Ministry was saying,

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Speaker 8: or the ministry was not telling him the truth. There's

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Speaker 8: only those two possibilities. The idea and the policy which

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Speaker 8: was adopted of the lower age for Mary and Pacifica

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Speaker 8: came as a result of years of research across a

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Speaker 8: whole wide range of researchers. It was not an ideological thing.

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Speaker 8: It was a health decision that we now know that

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Speaker 8: if Maria and Pacifica are not getting that earlier bowl screening,

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Speaker 8: more Mary and Pacifica people will die. That's a fact.

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Speaker 8: That's just a fact. There's no guesswork in that. There's

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Speaker 8: no modeling involved in it. I don't know what piece

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Speaker 8: of modeling the Minister got the Ministry to do. I

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Speaker 8: hope that the Ministry didn't pander to him in terms

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Speaker 8: of the policy he wanted to adopt, although we are

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Speaker 8: seeing signs of that across the public service. But there's

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Speaker 8: no question at all, there will be no reputable health

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Speaker 8: professional who will argue that the change that has been

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Speaker 8: made does not lead to more Maria and Pacifica men

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Speaker 8: dying in bell cancer.

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Speaker 2: Now, well, that's the interest that so Jordan.

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Speaker 22: The question is whether that's a genetic predisdisposition. I think

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Speaker 22: we all all agree on that, And I mean I

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Speaker 22: don't clearly. I mean I push a pen run for

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Speaker 22: a living room A lawyer by background, I don't know

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Speaker 22: the answer to that. I asked AI before coming on here,

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Speaker 22: knowing this would come up. And the evidence does look

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Speaker 22: pretty mixed, less so with MARI, but particularly with Pacific

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Speaker 22: communities according to a chap GBT. But I mean, you

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Speaker 22: would certainly hope that the advice the minister is getting

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Speaker 22: isn't politicized.

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Speaker 2: I suspect though.

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Speaker 22: The issue is there are areas of health where there's

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Speaker 22: not genetic predispositions, but still some racial preferences, and I

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Speaker 22: think that drives a bit of the mistrust in this issue,

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Speaker 22: which is why we have the city of debate, because

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Speaker 22: I think most people would agree that, you know, in

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Speaker 22: the health is one of the few areas where race

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Speaker 22: can make a difference in terms of the necessity or

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Speaker 22: eligibility to public services. That is an evidential question, though,

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Speaker 22: And I mean you would hope you what can the

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Speaker 22: minister do other than rely on officials.

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Speaker 8: And that's the minister asking the ministry is a bit

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Speaker 8: like the way you asked Chatch pete quest, doesn't it

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Speaker 8: and if he framed the question the right way anticipating.

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Speaker 2: The art, Well, we don't know that, and why would

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Speaker 2: you frame him.

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Speaker 8: Of the ministry suddenly reverse years of research and years

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Speaker 8: of its own advice.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're now. We have asked them come back to

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Speaker 2: us and tell us, you know, to explain themselves basically.

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Speaker 2: But what one thing he did say.

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Speaker 8: Having some difficulty, aren't they yeah.

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Speaker 2: Rob, What he did say is that their modeling showed

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Speaker 2: that you would save an additional by making it lower

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Speaker 2: for everyone. You would save an additional one hundred and

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Speaker 2: seventy six lives over twenty five years. So it's possible

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Speaker 2: that you that you're both right, that you are. That

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Speaker 2: you might be costing more Maori and Pacifica lives, but

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Speaker 2: overall you are saving more lives. Now that the question is,

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Speaker 2: is that what a health system should do?

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Speaker 8: We know what a health system should do is what

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Speaker 8: people always keep telling us that people should be treated

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Speaker 8: according to their health needs. And we know that in

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Speaker 8: respect to bowel cancer and screening, the health needs of

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Speaker 8: different groups of people are different. You do not create

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Speaker 8: equity by treating people all the same when their circumstances

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Speaker 8: are not the same. That's the whole skilled in clinical treatment.

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Speaker 8: It's the whole skill in the GP's office is to

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Speaker 8: know what kind of treatment, what should be offered to

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Speaker 8: people in different situations. So this whole idea that people

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Speaker 8: are just numbers, that we're all absolutely equivalent and it's

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Speaker 8: the best just to treat us all the same way,

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Speaker 8: it's really just outrageously against everything with healthcare.

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Speaker 4: Rob, you may.

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Speaker 22: You may differ, though, the degree to which race can

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Speaker 22: be quite a blunt instrument on that, and that's why

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Speaker 22: it depends on what condition you're talking about and whether

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Speaker 22: there is a genuine predisposition.

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Speaker 10: Ryan.

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Speaker 22: Just in relation to your question about sort of saving

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Speaker 22: more lives, health has quite a good I haven't actually

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Speaker 22: dealt with the much in recent years, but they used

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Speaker 22: to have a very good economics team in the quite

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Speaker 22: a sophisticated modeling a lot like ACC in terms of

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Speaker 22: determining these sorts of trade offs between years of life

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Speaker 22: and quality of life. That's unfortunately, you know, bread and

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Speaker 22: butter of public policy people and health. They do have that,

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Speaker 22: They do model that and they do it every day.

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Speaker 2: All Right, we'll leave it there, go. Rob did you

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Speaker 2: go down to the investment summit today.

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Speaker 8: No, I didn't get my invite, but I mean that's

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Speaker 8: I'm finding it extremely amusing. I mean, the idea that

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Speaker 8: it's some kind of victory to have people come here.

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Speaker 8: If you put an that out and say we'd like

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Speaker 8: to sell things, typically people turn up who like buying things.

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Speaker 8: And so of course there are lots of people there

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Speaker 8: with lots of money. They're scouring the world every day

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Speaker 8: to find good investment opportunities, so they would have come

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Speaker 8: as they do to look at these sorts of things,

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Speaker 8: and it's no surprise that some of them will line

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Speaker 8: up and be on things of the government office, and

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Speaker 8: of course they will else would not.

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Speaker 2: Then it's not a bad thing, is it, Jordan?

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Speaker 22: No, no, w I didn't see what comes out the

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Speaker 22: other end of it. I mean, if it looks to

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Speaker 22: be really a focus just around PPPs, which is really

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Speaker 22: just that the devil is always in the detail as

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Speaker 22: to what who carries, what risks and whether that's the

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Speaker 22: There are clearly upsides of well managed PPPs, but look,

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Speaker 22: they also can go wrong.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you think Jordan and I have one slogan we

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Speaker 8: can agree on, and this idea that somehow governments can

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Speaker 8: avoid the cost of things by creating PPPs. Is what

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Speaker 8: it's called a free lunch, and it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Exist unless you're at school.

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Speaker 22: Well, but it's a financing it's a financing tool, and

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Speaker 22: you've got guaranteed revenue going for There are I disagree

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Speaker 22: with that. There are some advantages, especially if you are

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Speaker 22: able to deliver the same piece of infrastructure for cheaper

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Speaker 22: than what the government can do if it manages itself.

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Speaker 2: All right, and we can't go into the ins and

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Speaker 2: outs of the PPPs right now, we're running out of time,

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Speaker 2: but fascinating discussion. Guys, really appreciate you coming on, especially

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Speaker 2: the talk chat about how eight minutes away from six

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Speaker 2: news Talks you'll be lots of feedback coming and we'll

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Speaker 2: get to some of that next.

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Speaker 2: News Talks B. It is five minutes away from six Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Lowering the age to fifty eight overall will save more lives.

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Speaker 2: Race is the wrong metric to use. Need is paramount.

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Speaker 2: I'm sick of the race thing, says Trish. Another says

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Speaker 2: the only argument is the whole population gets the best outcome,

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Speaker 2: not just selected groups. Another says, what about other races

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Speaker 2: predisposition to certain ailments above other races? Then again, so yeah,

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Speaker 2: there is actually a kind of a split debate on

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Speaker 2: this happening on the text machine. This is about bowel

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Speaker 2: cancer screening in New Zealand. I think if if you are,

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Speaker 2: and this is why we have to wait for the

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Speaker 2: Ministry of Health to tell us what the hell is

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Speaker 2: going on with the you know, whether someone is predisposed

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Speaker 2: to this cancer or not. But if you have, if

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Speaker 2: you're because of your race, you have a predisposition to

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Speaker 2: a certain type of cancer, then you that should be

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Speaker 2: a marker that gets you up the list, surely for

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Speaker 2: for a screening. I would have thought that would be

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Speaker 2: non controversial. But if there is no predisposition, then why

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Speaker 2: would that, you know, get to the front of the

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Speaker 2: queue exist. I think that would be wrong too, So

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Speaker 2: we kind of need to know the answer to that

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Speaker 2: basic question before you you know, before you're making any judgment.

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Speaker 2: I suppose nine two is the number of text we're

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Speaker 2: going back to the investment summit to actually hear from

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Speaker 2: an investor after six o'clock. We're also going to look

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Speaker 2: at the brain drain. Liam Dan is here with us

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Speaker 2: Jamie McKay. He's got the latest on the stache between

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Speaker 2: food farmers and fish and game down in Southland, and

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Speaker 2: Sam Dicky has the markets. Endo Brady out of the UK.

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Speaker 2: All ahead news talks.

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Speaker 11: They've been turning up and long we are then time

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Speaker 11: would we not all be long and longing?

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Speaker 9: In us?

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Speaker 11: Roles up with a woman.

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Speaker 9: I love that.

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Speaker 11: We needed a stickle.

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Speaker 1: What's what's down? What with a major cause and how

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Speaker 1: will it affect the economy? The big business questions on

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Speaker 1: the Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and Mayors, Insurance and investments,

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Speaker 1: Grow your Wealth, Protect your Future?

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Speaker 2: News talks at be seven after six. Good evenings here.

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Speaker 2: Liam Dan here shortly on the brain drain. Hopefully that's

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Speaker 2: coming to an end soon. Jamie McKay on the stoush

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Speaker 2: between fed farmers and fish and games Southland. Sam Dickey

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Speaker 2: on the markets, actually takes a deep dive into one

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Speaker 2: of the stocks has been falling drastically over the last

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Speaker 2: couple of months and that's Tizler. And then Indo Brady

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Speaker 2: joins us from the UK a little later on seven

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Speaker 2: after six. Now the government been rolling out the welcome

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Speaker 2: for local and international investors today this investment summit, the

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Speaker 2: Australian Infrastructure Investor Plenary has committed already come out and

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Speaker 2: said we are bidding for at least five PPPs and

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Speaker 2: we're going to open office here in the next eighteen months.

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Speaker 2: That came from Chris Bishop, who was on the show

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Speaker 2: just after five. This Italian investor is king to put

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Speaker 2: his hat in.

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Speaker 23: The ring for the Northern Expressway and I think that

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Speaker 23: we are looking at the first big bpp the Northland Corridor,

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Speaker 23: the Aighway, and I think is happening and it's real

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Speaker 23: and it's something that I you know, I work with

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Speaker 23: governments arounderworld and.

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Speaker 24: It's very rare to see every time a deadline that

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Speaker 24: has been met by the government side.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely Now. Brett Shepard was there as well, Craig's Investment

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Speaker 2: Partners representing some big investors at the summit and he's

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Speaker 2: with me now, Hi, Brett.

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Speaker 25: Get afternoon.

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Speaker 8: Ryan.

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Speaker 25: How's it going?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, really good, Thanks for being with me. Run us

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Speaker 2: through your highlights real from today, Brett, what was it like?

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Speaker 25: I think in the comment of Plenary Italian investors basically

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Speaker 25: shows how well it's being received by international and local investors.

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Speaker 25: You probably can summarize it in a couple of ways. First,

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Speaker 25: I think the commitment of the Prime Minister and their

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Speaker 25: respective ministers to grow the economy on a consistent basis

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Speaker 25: through partnership and infrastructure. I mean that message was just

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Speaker 25: resounding and continued commitment needed presentation to that. But then

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Speaker 25: I was followed up which people have found incredible is

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Speaker 25: the accessibility the Prime Minister and the ministers to discuss

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Speaker 25: both projects and the concept and the policy framework upon

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Speaker 25: what to do that because they're not used to that.

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Speaker 25: They're used to having Prime Minister present and then disappear.

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Speaker 25: But the Prime Minister made himself available throughout the whole conference,

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Speaker 25: which was the fair I think also the commitment of

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Speaker 25: Eliso isn't It was great to have many Fenora present,

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Speaker 25: how they were ready to partner up and be available

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Speaker 25: on a permanent capital basis and dependent comment basis, which

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Speaker 25: resounded really well. But just every international investor. And then

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Speaker 25: we got to both specific projects as you've just identified

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Speaker 25: at the riding project to be at hostels being built,

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Speaker 25: at courts being built, and so that resonated well with

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Speaker 25: investors that this wasn't just a short term kind of rhetoric.

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Speaker 25: It's an actual process and there was work in progress

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Speaker 25: that they could submit to over the medium terms.

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Speaker 2: We've had fast track changes here in New Zealand, we've

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Speaker 2: had overseas investment laws changed here as well. How much

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Speaker 2: do they play into the decisions that will be made

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Speaker 2: and not just the fact that they've been changed, but

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Speaker 2: the possibility that they might be changed back if we had,

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Speaker 2: you know, if we have a change in government.

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Speaker 25: You know, that's excellent question because I mean understanding what

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Speaker 25: labor says tomorrow is going to be important and the

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Speaker 25: opposition says tomorrow, but the approach that's been communicated and

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Speaker 25: that this is a bipartisan approach. And so when you

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Speaker 25: look at being able to do projects of national significance,

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Speaker 25: when as you said, looking at the FDO rules in

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Speaker 25: a way that encourages international investment, people are looking for

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Speaker 25: their consistency and policy between government. You're exactly right. So

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Speaker 25: right now people are excited about the work in progress

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Speaker 25: in front of them, but will still be looking for

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Speaker 25: the commitment to labor and infrastructure specifically that they won't

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Speaker 25: be looking to change the rules. And just what you've identified, brit.

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Speaker 2: What are the investors that you represent the other investors

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Speaker 2: in the room, what do they normally invest in? Are they?

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Speaker 2: Are they all kind of PPP people and why are

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Speaker 2: PPPs attractive to them?

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Speaker 25: Excellent? So these are global pension funds with over a

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Speaker 25: trillion dollars an investment. So they invest in a range

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Speaker 25: of investment from bonds, shares, real estate in what we

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Speaker 25: call alternative assets, and an alternative assets is public private partnerships.

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Speaker 25: They so they have the school base and the expertise

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Speaker 25: to invest in it. Why do they investor? They've learned

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Speaker 25: globally that a they can deliver products cheaper and the

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Speaker 25: they can operate them better than central government in terms

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Speaker 25: of maintenance of assets. They let the social service being

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Speaker 25: developed by the governments. That does sound They're very good

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Speaker 25: at that. So they become experts in this globally.

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Speaker 2: Now you mentioned labor tomorrow, obviously there's going to be

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Speaker 2: a lot of focus on what they've got to say.

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Speaker 2: But the the other thing that's come out is the

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Speaker 2: pipeline of work. How you know how many projects ahead

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Speaker 2: do you do?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: Do these investors need to be looking before they'll commit

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Speaker 2: to coming here.

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Speaker 25: It's excellent I guess we've still at transport coming tomorrow

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Speaker 25: and roading. But through the communication of how education, the

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Speaker 25: courts and the corrections, they could see a five to

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Speaker 25: a year pipeline and in fact some examples we give

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Speaker 25: them of a thirty year pipeline without being specific on

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Speaker 25: projects to see how the government's thinking is working and

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Speaker 25: so trending is a classic. So when you hear how

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Speaker 25: they ever commitment to not a single project but a

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Speaker 25: series of projects over three to five to ten year period,

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Speaker 25: then you get engagement not just of money, but of

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Speaker 25: people on the ground to make sure it happen.

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Speaker 2: Britt, really interesting, lovely to hear your perspective from actually

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Speaker 2: being their Brit Shepherd from Craig's Investment Partners, representing some

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Speaker 2: of the big investors at the summit and giving us

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Speaker 2: a pretty good rundown of what it was like to

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Speaker 2: be there and what people who have come from all

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Speaker 2: over the world are thinking. Thanks Brett. Thirteen minutes after

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Speaker 2: six News Talk said be leam down on the brain drain.

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Speaker 2: Staying at a hotel can be a functional part of

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Speaker 2: traveling to another city or the focus of a treat

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Speaker 2: yourself weekend. But when a hotel stands out as a

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Speaker 2: genuinely impressive and memorable part of the experience, it makes

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Speaker 2: all the difference. And so Auckland is definitely a hotel

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Speaker 2: that lives up to that description. And I know that

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Speaker 2: because I've stayed at one just recently. Sentiments the growing

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Speaker 2: number of five star options in the city of sales

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Speaker 2: that effortlessly combines modern luxury with a spirited artistic edge

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Speaker 2: and features no other hotel in the central city can offer.

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Speaker 9: You.

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Speaker 2: At so Auckland, the experience begins with the welcome, warm, inviting,

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Speaker 2: sophisticated without stuffiness, a comfortable vibe thanks to the hotel's

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Speaker 2: staff and its bold design. Of course, all the personality

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Speaker 2: in the world won't help if a hotel's rooms aren't

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Speaker 2: up to scratch. So Auckland put a lot of thought

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Speaker 2: into the room the in room luxury. Every room has

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Speaker 2: huge windows offering city views, as well as a free

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Speaker 2: standing bathtub as a centerpiece in each bathroom. Not to mention,

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Speaker 2: it's a couple of minutes walk to the ferry terminal

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Speaker 2: and to the Viaduct, so Auckland is really impressive. So

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Speaker 2: treat yourself, enjoy a breakaway from the every day at

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Speaker 2: so Auckland sometimes soon, Bryan Bridge, time has just gone

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Speaker 2: seventeen after six. Now the brain, the great brain drain

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Speaker 2: that we keep harping on about migrant departures have reached

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Speaker 2: a new record, just five one hundred and twenty three thousand.

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Speaker 2: This is for the year to January new numbers out.

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Speaker 2: That's up eighteen percent. But there is some sense that

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Speaker 2: we might have hit peak brain drain, which is good.

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Speaker 2: Liam Dan is the Herald's business editor at Larges with

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Speaker 2: me now, high limb, Good.

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Speaker 8: Day, Ryan.

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Speaker 2: So what are we seeing in these numbers.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, there's a lot of numbers there, and you can

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Speaker 26: sort of pick and chairs a bit because the annual

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Speaker 26: stats are going to keep looking pretty rough for a

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Speaker 26: while because they're catching those that the peak of the

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Speaker 26: brain drain last year.

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Speaker 15: But what we can see is that if.

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Speaker 26: You look at I guess what we're talking about here

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Speaker 26: is Kiwi citizens leaving long term, right, and so the

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Speaker 26: Kiwi departures have sort of plateau that they're they're in

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Speaker 26: the year to January twenty twenty five they were forty

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Speaker 26: four thousand, seven hundred, and that compares to sorry, sorry,

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Speaker 26: forty four thousand, two hundred compared to forty four thousand,

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Speaker 26: seven hundred for the year to January twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 26: And then sort of what you can see is that

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Speaker 26: in the year to August twenty twenty four was when

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Speaker 26: they peaked, we had forty seven thousand, So nearly fifty

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Speaker 26: thousand people left in that year to August, and so

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Speaker 26: they're drifting back. Forty four thousand kiwis leaving is still

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Speaker 26: a heck of a lot, you know. So there's no

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Speaker 26: sense that we're saying that the brain drain is over

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Speaker 26: or cured. But the peak is an important thing to

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Speaker 26: get beyond because it possibly suggests that the trend has

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Speaker 26: started moving in the right direction and that there's you know,

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Speaker 26: perhaps less push for Kiwis to get out there, and so,

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Speaker 26: you know, hopefully that's part of the recovery story.

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Speaker 2: Right well, hopefully. I was going to ask, does that

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Speaker 2: mean that it's a sign that Kiwis are saying where

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Speaker 2: our prospects are looking better here or is it just

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Speaker 2: that we've run out of mobile brains to actually, you know,

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Speaker 2: up and leave.

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Speaker 26: Look, it's possible. Look, we don't the stats don't dig

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Speaker 26: down into who exactly is leaving. We get a little

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Speaker 26: bit of age based stuff, but that takes a while

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Speaker 26: to come through. Yeah, it's Look, and overall net migration

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Speaker 26: is still it's still positive. So we're still gaining thirty

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Speaker 26: two thy five hundred people I think in the year

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Speaker 26: to January, but that's down from one hundred and something

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Speaker 26: something like one hundred and thirty two one hundred and

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Speaker 26: fifty five thousand or something. You know, we had this

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Speaker 26: enormous peak, and so just having that net migration gain

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Speaker 26: of thirty two thousand is enough to sort of create

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Speaker 26: a bit of a head when the economy is used

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Speaker 26: to having a lot more people coming in. And I'm

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Speaker 26: hearing economists talk about how that's one of the reasons

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Speaker 26: that the housing markets just not picking up as fast

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Speaker 26: as you might have expected with interest rates coming off.

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Speaker 26: That we're sort of built in the last year or

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Speaker 26: two for this high level of incoming migration or lower

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Speaker 26: levels of people leaving.

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Speaker 27: And.

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Speaker 26: You know, we're sort of feeling that now. But yeah,

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Speaker 26: as I say, the trend possibly starting to turn, and

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Speaker 26: let's hope, you know, if they can if we can

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Speaker 26: see the economy continue to improve. It usually is fairly

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Speaker 26: related to the economy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And because I noticed that IMF report yesterday, they

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Speaker 2: said that it would be you know, our recovery this

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Speaker 2: year would be in part lad by migration. I mean,

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Speaker 2: are they taking into account the fact that, you know,

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Speaker 2: net migration is relatively low compared to where we normally

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Speaker 2: have it. Presumably they are.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, I mean I think they're talking. I mean, in

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Speaker 26: the end, it's going to you know, you change a

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Speaker 26: few settings. At some point, the lower level of net

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Speaker 26: migration will start to cause labor shortages, and then inevitably

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Speaker 26: a government tries to open things up again. We're really

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Speaker 26: all sitting there waiting for the labor market to work

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Speaker 26: through the worst of its unemployment and get some jobs

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Speaker 26: creating again. So that's not looking like it's happening till

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Speaker 26: the second half of the year. But when that starts

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Speaker 26: to happen, you'd expect to see migration pick up as well,

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Speaker 26: a fewer people leaving.

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Speaker 9: Because of his jobs.

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Speaker 26: So so much of it's tied to jobs, and as

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Speaker 26: we've talked about before, it's just taking it takes a

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Speaker 26: bit longer. Once the first sort of economic stats start

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Speaker 26: looking a bit better. It still takes a while for

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Speaker 26: the labor market to turn around.

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Speaker 2: Yep, nice one, Liam, thank you for that great information.

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Speaker 2: Liam Dan as always ended, hero old business edits are

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Speaker 2: at large with us just gone twenty two minutes after

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Speaker 2: sex those numbers again, So migrant partchures reached the record

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Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty two thy eight hundred for the

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Speaker 2: year to January. That's up eighteen percent. Arrivals one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty five thousand, three hundred, that's down thirty one percent.

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Speaker 2: So you get your net migration gain of thirty two thousand,

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Speaker 2: five hundred, that is for the year two January. Twenty

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Speaker 2: two minutes after six. Now coming up next, we will

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Speaker 2: go rural, as we always do. We'll go rural with

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Speaker 2: Jamie McKay. He's got an interesting take on this fed

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Speaker 2: Farmer's the fish and Game in Southland.

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Speaker 1: The Rural Report with MSD Animal Health over Nstead It's

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Speaker 1: most popular colcolab.

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Speaker 2: Twenty five after six news talks, there'd be Jamie McKay

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01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 2: hosted the Countries with Me tonight. Hi, Jamie gooda Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Now this stoush if that's what you call it between

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01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 2: fed farmers, fish and game in Southland is all getting

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01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 2: a bit much. I saw yesterday there was claims of

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Speaker 2: was it this morning, claims of bullying, all sorts going

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Speaker 2: on here.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, well this claims claims and county claims. I describe

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Speaker 27: it as a high noon at the ok Corral. And

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Speaker 27: the ducks aren't the only thing that might not get

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01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 27: or that might get shot down there. Metaphorically of course, Ryan,

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01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 27: I cover my backside on that one. So look basically

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01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:17,599
Speaker 27: like fair farmers and fish and game have been at

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01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 27: war for quite a while. A couple of years ago

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01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 27: they were encouraging farmers not to let anglers through their properties,

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01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 27: and now they're fighting over what Southern President of Federated

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01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:35,600
Speaker 27: Farmers Chason Herrick described as that farmers down there have

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01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:38,799
Speaker 27: had an absolute guts full of fish and games, anti

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01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 27: farming rhetoric and activism. So what he's suggesting or what

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01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 27: their latest campaigners they want to see the duck shooters

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01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 27: or the duck hunters to be more politically correct by

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01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 27: their game bird licenses from regions working constructively with farmers,

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01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 27: and he threw out hawks Bay and Greater Wellington as

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01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 27: an example. Now, Jason saying they get five thousand hunters

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01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 27: coming down to Southland for the duck shooting weekend first

1534
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 27: Saturday in May, and being a Southland and myself Ryan

1535
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:10,879
Speaker 27: and owning a duck pond down there, I know exactly

1536
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 27: what it's like. And Jason saying it's part of our

1537
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 27: cultural identity. If all these people buy their licenses out

1538
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 27: of the region, it will take a fair chunk of

1539
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 27: money away from Southland fishing game. Now the twenty five

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01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 27: twenty twenty five game bird licenses are on sale now

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01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 27: they'll cost you one hundred and thirteen dollars and Jason

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01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:35,599
Speaker 27: Herricks saying he's not asking shooters not to buy license,

1543
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 27: just buy them from another region.

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01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 1: Now.

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01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:42,520
Speaker 27: He's also saying Southland fishing game have been unnecessarily obstructive

1546
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 27: in so many areas, like opposing farmers from removing gravel

1547
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:50,600
Speaker 27: that's built up to dangerous levels and rivers, and obviously

1548
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:52,679
Speaker 27: when they flood it makes it even worse.

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01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 8: Now.

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01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 27: Also coming to the party is the new Hunting and

1551
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:00,839
Speaker 27: Fishing Minister and the new South Island Minister James Meagher,

1552
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 27: who's calling for a de escalation intentions. He's saying relations

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01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 27: have become strained and that farmers and fish and game

1554
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 27: should work happily together. Also, tension has escalated over the

1555
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 27: duck population down in South They had a very wet spring,

1556
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 27: great survival rates, and there's literally an explosion in the

1557
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 27: mallard population. They're an introduced species, they're described or they

1558
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:31,799
Speaker 27: are a pest for especially cropping farmers, and they're munching

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01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 27: through those crops at the moment. So they're saying fish

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01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:37,679
Speaker 27: and game need to think very carefully about doing something

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Speaker 27: about this, such as introducing perhaps the summer autumn shooting season.

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01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 27: Other areas have done it in the past to try

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01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:46,480
Speaker 27: and reduce that population.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. Okay, now you've spoken to Keith Woodford about Fonterra's

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01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 2: plans to sell Mainland today.

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01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 27: What's he had to say, Well, Professor Keith Woodford one

1567
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 27: of the sharpest minds in New Zealand agriculture. Look, he's

1568
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 27: saying there's a couple of options. One is just to

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01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 27: sell it hole as Bowlus to an offshore entity, a

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01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 27: marketing an international dairy marketer. The other one is to

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01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 27: have an IPO, an initial public offering in New Zealand,

1572
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 27: and he's suggesting Fonterra could still hold a minority shareholding

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01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:22,600
Speaker 27: in this public company, perhaps thirty percent. He says the

1574
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 27: IPO option under Fonterra's preferred title of Mainland gives all

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01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 27: New Zealanders a potential steak in the dairy industry. This

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01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:34,759
Speaker 27: would allow Fonterra to retain a window to what's happening

1577
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 27: at consumer level.

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01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 8: Now.

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01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:39,599
Speaker 27: Obviously an IPO is more complex than a straight out sale,

1580
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:43,600
Speaker 27: but he's suggesting the likes of the National Superfund or

1581
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 27: ACC could take a cornerstone investment in this and then

1582
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 27: give Kiwis the opportunity to buy a steak in the

1583
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:54,720
Speaker 27: New Zealand dairy industry. Professor Keith Woodford said, it's part

1584
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 27: of our national DNA.

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01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 15: On which we all depend.

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Speaker 27: So who knows you might be able to get a

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01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:02,719
Speaker 27: chunk of Fonterra through this mainland entity at the Cloaks.

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Speaker 2: I think would take a bit of that, wouldn't we. Jamie,

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01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 2: thank you. Jamie McKay hosted the Country with Us tonight

1590
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 2: twenty nine minutes after six News talks at Bay.

1591
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics, it's all

1592
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Speaker 1: on the business hours with Ryan Bridge and Theirs. Insurance

1593
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1595
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Speaker 17: off bus body get I've been breaking my back just

1596
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 17: keeping with the Joneses. Y'all know what I mean, and

1597
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 17: y'all know how we go when it's so far.

1598
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 2: Twenty three minutes away from the seven year old news

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01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 2: talks B. This is the Business Hour and I've got

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01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:55,560
Speaker 2: some new numbers for you. This is from This is

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01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 2: if you're a renter, great news. If you're the government

1602
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 2: and you've been worried about the price of rentals, then

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01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 2: great news for you too. It's getting cheaper. You're paying

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01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 2: less now. This is average rents paying less now than

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01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 2: you were a year ago in Wellington and in Auckland.

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01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 2: This is according to real estate dot co dot nz

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01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 2: so their numbers reckon Wellington has down eight percent since

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01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 2: February twenty twenty four to six hundred and seventy three

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01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:25,799
Speaker 2: dollars a week. That is potentially saving you three thousand

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01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 2: dollars a year if you're in Wellington. Auckland down four

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01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:33,600
Speaker 2: point one percent. That is saving you fifteen hundred and

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01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 2: sixty dollars. If you are in Auckland Canterbury is steady

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01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 2: down just zero point four to five hundred and eighty

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01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 2: six a week, So that is good news. And remember

1615
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 2: the government argued till they were blue in the face

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01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:49,600
Speaker 2: that if they got rid of the landlord tax that

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01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 2: the government that previous government had put on the interest deductibility,

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01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 2: if they fixed that, that the landlords would have more

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01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:00,560
Speaker 2: room to be able to drop rents. Now there's a

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01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 2: big argument about whether that is what drives this or

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01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:05,720
Speaker 2: whether it's actually just straight out supply and demand. And

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01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 2: I tend to land in the latter camp that it's

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01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 2: supplying demand that dictates a rent, not government policy. But

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01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 2: certainly the government will claim this you can beat your

1625
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 2: bottom dollar. They'll do that tomorrow. In a press release

1626
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 2: twenty one away from seven now Rich, the Tesla's share

1627
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 2: price is a rollercoaster and one to watch. It took

1628
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 2: off massively after Trump was elected over in the US,

1629
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 2: but has since fallen back almost just as far. Sam

1630
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 2: Dickey from Fisher Funds has done a deep dive for

1631
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 2: us is here now, Hey, Sam ran, good to have

1632
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 2: you on. So why did Tesla's share price shoot up

1633
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 2: one hundred percent in just a few short months and

1634
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 2: then why has it come back down fifty percent in

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01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 2: a few short weeks.

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01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 28: Yeah, a heck of a wild ride there, Ryan, So

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01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 28: it has round trip right back to where it started.

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01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:54,439
Speaker 28: It went up for three reasons. So the first one

1639
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 28: was at the time there was a lot of emerging

1640
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 28: height about Tesla's atonomous vehicle or robotaxi business and it's

1641
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:05,880
Speaker 28: humanoid business actually, which we talked about before. But for example,

1642
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 28: Google and Weimo reached key milestones they'd done forty five

1643
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:12,560
Speaker 28: million rides, and then Musk himself promised to launch his

1644
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 28: robotaxi in twenty twenty six, claiming ride costs of as

1645
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 28: low as twenty cents a kilometer, so pretty exciting stuff.

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01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 28: The second thing is the extraordinary animal spirits we've talked

1647
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 28: about a few times, or that retail irrational exuberance generally,

1648
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:32,599
Speaker 28: and posted children for that with things like meme stocks

1649
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 28: like game Stock stop We're Ripping Again and robin Hood,

1650
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 28: the retail training platform were up over one hundred percent,

1651
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 28: so animal spirits generally, and Tesla was caught up on that.

1652
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 28: And the third thing was, of course, the Trump romance

1653
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:48,479
Speaker 28: and its perceived raverified positions sitting inside the federal government's

1654
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:52,519
Speaker 28: coffers via the Department of Government Efficient, Department of Government Efficiency.

1655
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 28: So those are the three reasons that went up. And

1656
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 28: then reality set in. And it's a reminder that despite

1657
01:28:57,160 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 28: this excitement about its future prospects around autonomous vehicle, ninety

1658
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 28: percent of its profits still come from its core business

1659
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 28: of selling electric vehicles, and its electric vehicle business had

1660
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 28: been going backwards. At the same time as its share

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01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 28: price went up one hundred percent, its earnings were being

1662
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 28: cut by about thirty percent. So that sort of unsustainable

1663
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 28: equation saw the share price, sorry, the price to earnings

1664
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 28: ratio a key valuation metric, on one hundred and fifty

1665
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 28: times PE, which for context, the Ford Motor Company trades

1666
01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:32,720
Speaker 28: on about seven times PE. So the whole bubble pop,

1667
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:36,839
Speaker 28: the irrational exuberance from retail event investors hit the skids,

1668
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:40,040
Speaker 28: and the stock price around trip right back to where

1669
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 28: it was before Trump got elected.

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Speaker 2: Fascinating, right, isn't it. What's what's going on with the

1671
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:47,920
Speaker 2: electric vehicle take up? More broadly, I saw numbers. They

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01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:50,200
Speaker 2: were down, I think year to date down forty five

1673
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 2: percent Tesla sales in Europe, you know, thirty percent or

1674
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 2: something in China. It's not been a great ride.

1675
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 28: Yeah, not being a great ride for Tesla, and they're

1676
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:01,639
Speaker 28: definitely losing market share. I mean, more broadly, EV sales

1677
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 28: are doing a little bit better. So you and I

1678
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:07,280
Speaker 28: checked in about a year ago on electric vehicles generally globally,

1679
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 28: and at that point in time they were growing about

1680
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:13,760
Speaker 28: ten percent. Now, electric vehicle sales sort of month of

1681
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 28: the year and a year growing about twenty percent. Are

1682
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 28: pretty healthy, but a couple of things. Their first of

1683
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:23,759
Speaker 28: Tesla's losing market share, partly because of the blowback against

1684
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 28: against the sort of Trump mask romance, but also generally speaking,

1685
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:33,800
Speaker 28: the penetration of electric vehicles are sort of plateaued in

1686
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:41,720
Speaker 28: places like China, Europe, and southern United States. So I'd say,

1687
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:45,800
Speaker 28: generally speaking, evs are going okay, but Tesla's losing market share.

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01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:49,599
Speaker 2: And what about you mentioned earlier the autonomous vehicles. What's

1689
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 2: happening with them? Are they taking off? Are they you know,

1690
01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 2: sort of a thing of the past now or like

1691
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:57,120
Speaker 2: back to the future that never happened. What's going on?

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01:30:58,280 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 28: Well, I mean, it's one hundred and fifty billion dollars

1693
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 28: industry and is still expected to be about a trillion

1694
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:04,679
Speaker 28: dollar industry by the end of the decade, so people

1695
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:06,879
Speaker 28: are still pretty bullish. I think there's a few hurdles,

1696
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:09,600
Speaker 28: of course. So Tesla, for example, is trying to go

1697
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 28: the cheap route by solving full service driver sorry, full

1698
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:21,160
Speaker 28: fully autonomous driving in a cost efficient manner with cameras only,

1699
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 28: which of course have some safety drawbacks, whereas companies like Weymo,

1700
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:28,719
Speaker 28: spun It or out of Google are using radars and lighters,

1701
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:31,840
Speaker 28: which are much more expensive. So weimo autonomous vehicle costs

1702
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:35,639
Speaker 28: about two hundred thousand dollars, whereas Tesla's proposing to sell

1703
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 28: these for about thirty thousand. However, is a very unclear

1704
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:43,760
Speaker 28: regulatory framework globally, so the UK peered back Tesla's camera

1705
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:48,400
Speaker 28: only full service autonomous driving to highways only and favored Weaimo,

1706
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:52,120
Speaker 28: and half of the US states only permit autonomous vehicle testing.

1707
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:54,599
Speaker 28: And then of course we've got the very high profile

1708
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 28: crashes that we've all heard about, despite the stats around

1709
01:31:58,360 --> 01:32:02,120
Speaker 28: significantly lower accident rates death rates. So still expected to

1710
01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:04,599
Speaker 28: be a huge growth industry, but a few hurdles right now.

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01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:08,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting, I suppose they've got to overcome those regulatory problems.

1712
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:10,360
Speaker 2: What does all this mean for investors?

1713
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 28: I think the whole thing's a super interesting lesson, which is,

1714
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:17,760
Speaker 28: don't believe the hype and focus on the core fundamentals.

1715
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 28: So you know, occasionally, if the fundamentals of a company

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Speaker 28: are going well, you can understand why, you know, the

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Speaker 28: share price gets a bit overinflated. But when the hype's

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Speaker 28: going in one direction and that the core fundamentals, as

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Speaker 28: as was the case with the tears that were going

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Speaker 28: in the opposite direction, I think that's something should take

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Speaker 28: take note of. But I would say for the brave

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Speaker 28: there was far too much hype and tesla at the peak.

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Speaker 28: But if you are a believer and a long term

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Speaker 28: believer in autonomous vehicles and there I say ad humanoids,

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Speaker 28: well then as that Dost settles the stocks on his knees,

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Speaker 28: now it might be worth another look.

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Speaker 2: Nice one, Sam, Thank you for that, Sam. Dicky Fisher

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Speaker 2: funds with us. According to seven News Talks, they'd be

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Speaker 2: Indebrady out of the UK next every.

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Speaker 1: Day from his sms to the big corporates, the Business

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Speaker 1: Hour with Ryan Bridge and theirs. Insurance and investments, grew

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Speaker 1: your wealth, Protect your future. News Talks vod saying.

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Speaker 2: The seven on News Talks dB in the Brady is

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Speaker 2: our UK correspondent tonight in the Good Evening.

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Speaker 15: Hey Ryan, great to speak to you you two.

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Speaker 2: Now, there's a big debate going on in the UK

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Speaker 2: at the moment. This is should criminals be forced to

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Speaker 2: go to court and hear the impact of what their

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01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:29,880
Speaker 2: crimes have been on families and victims and stuff, or

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Speaker 2: should they be able to you know, tune in remotely

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Speaker 2: or not tune in at all.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: So this all has happened this week, the debate because

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01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 15: yet again we've seen another high profile court case end

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Speaker 15: with the defendant convicted and deciding that he doesn't want

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01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 15: to leave his cell to hear the victim impact statements. Now,

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Speaker 15: at the end of each court case, the victim's family

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Speaker 15: are allowed to tend court and read out exactly what

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Speaker 15: this person has done to their family and how it

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Speaker 15: has left them feeling for So it's all to do

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Speaker 15: with a guy called Kyle Clifford. He is known as

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01:34:04,439 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 15: the Crossbow Killer. For anyone who hasn't followed the case,

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Speaker 15: it was summer of last year he was dumped by

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Speaker 15: his girlfriend Louise Hunt, and thirteen days later he bought

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Speaker 15: a crossbow. He stabbed her mother to death in the

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Speaker 15: family home. He shot her with the crossbow and raped her,

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Speaker 15: and he shot her sister. Murdered her sister as well

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Speaker 15: with the crossbow. So three members of that family wiped

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Speaker 15: out by this guy. He'd been online the night before

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Speaker 15: watching Andrew tape videos. So you can you know this

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Speaker 15: is the mentality of this guy. Absolutely heenous crime. Now,

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Speaker 15: John Hunt is the father of the family. He's the

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Speaker 15: father of Louise and his other daughter who was murdered,

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Speaker 15: and he lost his wife in this as well. So

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Speaker 15: John Hunt went to court to read the victim impact

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Speaker 15: statement and Clifford refused to come out of the cell.

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Speaker 15: So John Hunt, his words will haunt this guy forever ever.

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01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:57,200
Speaker 15: He said, I can hear the screams of hell, Kyle.

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Speaker 15: They're waiting for you. They will be roll out the

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01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:04,639
Speaker 15: red carpet. That was the concluding paragraph of John Hunt's

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01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 15: victim impact statement. So big, big talking point here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like it is too. Now this biledal

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01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 2: between the Irish and the Americans. Trump said, you know,

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01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:17,840
Speaker 2: you're doing some things with text we don't like. But

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01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:19,599
Speaker 2: they've kind of come dodged a bullet.

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Speaker 15: Yes, it was amazing really, So we're quite concerned about

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01:35:24,640 --> 01:35:29,880
Speaker 15: President Trump because our entire economy depends on the United States,

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01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 15: and just for people who haven't followed what Ireland has

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01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:35,519
Speaker 15: done in recent years, We've reduced corporation tax down to

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Speaker 15: twelve and a half percent. We're the only English speaking

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01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:43,160
Speaker 15: country in the European Union. And American pharmaceutical and tech

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01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:46,760
Speaker 15: companies have piled into Ireland. They're employing a lot of

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01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 15: people and they're crucially paying all of their taxes into Ireland.

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01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:55,040
Speaker 15: So the biggest taxpayer every year in Ireland is actually Apple.

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Speaker 15: Now Trump has seen the figures, He's seen the massive

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Speaker 15: in trade that based. You know, we take America out

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01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:06,880
Speaker 15: of the equation and we're in recession. I think there

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01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 15: was a lot of apprehension going into the Oval Office

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Speaker 15: for this meeting between our Tea Shock or Prime Minister

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Speaker 15: meehol Martin and President Trump. It's an annual thing to

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Speaker 15: mark Saint Patrick's weekend. The t Shock basically goes to Washington,

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Speaker 15: d C. And presents whoever the president is with a

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01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:27,559
Speaker 15: bowl of shamrock. It's been going on for over a century. Trump,

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01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:30,240
Speaker 15: we know, has a golf course in the west of Ireland.

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Speaker 15: But incredibly the reporters in the room all asked so

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01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:37,439
Speaker 15: many different questions. He didn't really settle his fire and

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01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:41,599
Speaker 15: his ire on Ireland. So the feeling is that our

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01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:44,560
Speaker 15: tea shock, our Prime Minister miehil Martin has kind of

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01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:47,280
Speaker 15: dodged a bullet and got out of the White House

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Speaker 15: in one piece. And you know, having seen out what

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01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:52,120
Speaker 15: Zelenski had done to him, there was a lot of

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Speaker 15: worry that Trump might decided to dismantle the Irish economy.

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Speaker 2: Thank goodness to you, then quietly, quietly, quietly and then

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01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:03,439
Speaker 2: run for the door. Hey, thanks, thanks Inder, great to

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Speaker 2: have you on as always. Indo Brady, a UK correspondent

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01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 2: with us just gone nine minutes away from seven here

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Speaker 2: on News Talk SEBB.

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Speaker 8: It's the Heather too.

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Speaker 1: P c Allen Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 1: by Newstalks EDB Croaching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge with the Business Hour and Mass Insurance

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Speaker 1: and Investments, Grew your Wealth, Protect Your Future Newstalgs EDB.

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Speaker 2: Six to seven on News Talk said, being nearly time

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01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:35,400
Speaker 2: for me to say good evening to your Darcy is

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Speaker 2: with you next. Just spoke to Ende Brady. Interesting, isn't it.

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01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:43,040
Speaker 2: Apple is the biggest taxpayer in Ireland and their tax

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01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:44,880
Speaker 2: rate over there, the corporate tax rates twelve and a

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Speaker 2: half percent. Don't forget that. Nikola Willis is still looking

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Speaker 2: at ours. It doesn't look that attractive at twenty eight now,

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Speaker 2: does it. She's still looking at ours to see whether

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Speaker 2: we might make a move on that. Tomorrow, because this

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Speaker 2: investment summer is still going on in Auckland. Tomorrow we

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Speaker 2: are going we're planning to speak barring any major news events,

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Speaker 2: but we're planning to speak to Barbara Evans because she's

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01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:09,160
Speaker 2: got her speech tomorrow. She's the only opposition MP, non

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Speaker 2: government MP who is speaking there. It'd be really interesting

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Speaker 2: to hear what she has to say because there's a

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01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 2: couple of areas where labor clearly doesn't agree with what

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Speaker 2: the government's doing. They don't want hospitals being built and

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01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:25,519
Speaker 2: being financed by PPPs. They don't want education, you know,

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Speaker 2: schools or hospitals basically being funded and financed by PPPs.

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Speaker 2: So what will she say about those things when you've

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Speaker 2: got the current government saying come and build them and

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Speaker 2: finance them, and then will she stand up and say no?

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Speaker 2: And what will that mean for the investors in the room.

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Speaker 2: So lots to talk about tomorrow here on News Talk SEBB.

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Speaker 2: What are we going out to tonight? Ance?

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Speaker 29: This is message in a bottle by the police. I've

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01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:53,320
Speaker 29: got some news about Sting. It looks like he's on

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01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:55,720
Speaker 29: the end, which is good. Sting had to pull out

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01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:57,120
Speaker 29: of a bunch of concerts he was going to do

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01:38:57,160 --> 01:38:59,400
Speaker 29: at the tail end of January because he had a

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Speaker 29: throat in fiction, which you know, obviously kind of a

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01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:05,719
Speaker 29: problem with your ast singer generally speaking. But he's appeared

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01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:07,960
Speaker 29: in public for the first time since he canceled those shows.

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01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:10,320
Speaker 29: He has showed up at a charity event, didn't have

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Speaker 29: to do any singing. But the shows have been rescheduled

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Speaker 29: for like later in the year. So it seems like

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Speaker 29: this isn't going to be a permanent issue. That's just

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Speaker 29: a temporary one. He's seventy three, but yeah, still performing.

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Speaker 2: So there you go, Ghosting. Thanks and thanks everybody for

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Speaker 2: listening and for u f feedback in your emails and

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Speaker 2: your text. Much appreciated. See you tomorrow Friday.

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