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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected us.

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Speaker 2: Dog said, be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, the Maritime

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Speaker 3: Union is going to explain to us what they know

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Speaker 3: about what happened to that Blue Bridge Frairie overnight. Luke Dallo,

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Speaker 3: HOSPO owner on why we need to get into tipping

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Speaker 3: more and prior to investigator Tim McKennon on whether Stephen

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Speaker 3: Stone should still be in prison despite the Crown admitting

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Speaker 3: he was in fact wrongfully convicted.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy Ellen, what to.

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Speaker 3: Do about these dangerous dogs? Now, this has become quite

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Speaker 3: a problem lately. And these are the dogs obviously. And

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Speaker 3: this woman, there is a woman this week who is

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Speaker 3: quite badly mauled by three dogs in the rotru as.

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Speaker 3: She went to the council asking them to beef up

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Speaker 3: the rules just a couple of days ago. Now the

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Speaker 3: reason she was chatting to Rotrue Lake's council is because

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Speaker 3: they are already considering beefing up their rules. Are they're

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Speaker 3: considering changing a bye law so that dogs if these

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Speaker 3: dogs are found to be out of control can be

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Speaker 3: desexed with or without the owner's consent. Now I don't

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Speaker 3: think that's enough. I mean, all that's doing and it's welcome,

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Speaker 3: but all it's doing is it's ensuring that an out

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Speaker 3: of control dog can't breed more out of control dogs.

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Speaker 3: But we've still got an out of control dog on

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Speaker 3: our hands, don't we, And it's not going to be

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Speaker 3: the only one. There are unknown numbers of them across

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Speaker 3: the country and they are increasing. So I would say

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Speaker 3: if there's an out of control dog, that council should

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Speaker 3: be considering seriously putting it down. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: have some LENI and say if you want to give

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Speaker 3: the owner a couple of strikes or whatever. But if

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Speaker 3: an owner can't control a dog, they shouldn't have a dog. Dogs,

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Speaker 3: as I said, are becoming a real problem lately. This

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Speaker 3: woman was mauled just walking down the street this month

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Speaker 3: in in Tai Rua on the Corimandal. A woman was

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Speaker 3: mauled by four peg dogs in May. On Wednesday, another

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Speaker 3: woman was injured by four dogs, also on the coramandal.

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Speaker 3: A pack of roaming dogs killed as Benny as maybe

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Speaker 3: thirty cats in Papakata in South Auckland this year. A

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Speaker 3: guy was mauled to death by dogs in Northland a

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Speaker 3: couple of years ago. A woman was mauled to death

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Speaker 3: in her own backyard in Moriwa in Northland last year,

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Speaker 3: and there are now so many feral dogs up north

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Speaker 3: where it seems to be a particularly pronounced problem that

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Speaker 3: Doc has had to get in sharpshooters to start taking

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Speaker 3: out these dogs ahead of the tramping season, because the

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Speaker 3: last thing you've ld he ont to somebody going on

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Speaker 3: in nature walk in there's a dog for some reason.

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Speaker 3: We have just had a huge increase in the number

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Speaker 3: of dogs in this country, particularly in the last five years,

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Speaker 3: it would appear, and many of them, thousands of them

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Speaker 3: are unregistered.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: I don't think the solution lies in punishing an owner

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Speaker 3: once something has happened, because once something has happened, it's

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Speaker 3: by then too late. I think authorities have got to

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Speaker 3: get ruthless on anything that looks like an out of

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Speaker 3: control dog before it happens. Desexing. Absolutely, it's at least something,

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Speaker 3: but that's not nearly enough. Deal with the dog.

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Speaker 2: Heather due the text.

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Speaker 3: Number and you welcomes away in on that and obviously

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Speaker 3: text standard texts fees apply. Now a record number and

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Speaker 3: this is good, is a record number of people have

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Speaker 3: applied to become police officers. In the month of July,

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Speaker 3: nearly fourteen hundred applications have come in. That's almost four

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Speaker 3: times the number in the year before, and the highest

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Speaker 3: for any month since the national database was created ten

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Speaker 3: years ago. Around twelve percent of those applicants make it

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Speaker 3: through to recruitment now. Chris Carhill is the Police Association

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Speaker 3: president and with us, Hey.

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Speaker 5: Chris, good afternoon here.

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Speaker 3: Why have the numbers gone up so profoundly.

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Speaker 6: Well, the three key things A couple of changes to

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Speaker 6: police show what they allow and so the first is

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Speaker 6: you don't have to be a New Zealand citizen now

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Speaker 6: you can only have a residency. Well you can apply,

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Speaker 6: so that's a big change. That's positive, Siggins. When you apply,

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Speaker 6: you don't have to have a full driver's license, you

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Speaker 6: have to have it by the time you enter the college.

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Speaker 6: So that gets the process moving along quicker. We do

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Speaker 6: know that was a hold up. And then the third,

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Speaker 6: and I think personally the most biggest change is the economy.

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Speaker 6: We know that when the economy gets tough, when tradees

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Speaker 6: are mean to get work, and people have really made

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Speaker 6: unemployed police becomes a very good safe haven's job.

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Speaker 3: How many of these people do you think are actually

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well that's the real key is what's the conversion weight?

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Speaker 6: We know the normal conversion rate, so it would be

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Speaker 6: about twelve percent. But I just wonder how many of

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Speaker 6: these are just seeing what it's all about. So, you know,

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Speaker 6: we want to see those numbers converted it. And don't

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Speaker 6: get me wrong, I'm really positive about it. Well, it's

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Speaker 6: great to get this many applicants. I personally it was

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Speaker 6: pessimistic we would so it's good to see them. But

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Speaker 6: you know, the proof will be how many actually get

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm surprised because it doesn't. I mean, at the moment,

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Speaker 3: it's not getting a lot of good pr as a

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Speaker 3: great safe job, you know. I mean it's not to

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Speaker 3: criticize the police, it's more what they're having to deal

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Speaker 3: with just seems so extreme at the moment.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's definitely a factor. You know, we

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Speaker 6: know a lot of families are saying, I'm not too

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Speaker 6: keen on you're joining the police when they are in

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Speaker 6: the police because they've seen how violent it's got to

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Speaker 6: and you know, we know family will we see one

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Speaker 6: of the biggest recruiters of fleas. So that's changed a

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Speaker 6: little bit in recent times. So it is interesting to

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Speaker 6: see these numbers. But you know, I'm saying that it's

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Speaker 6: still a job that offers a great variety, a lot

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Speaker 7: Tough, you know it looks good.

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Speaker 5: So hopefully these people flow through the system.

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Speaker 3: Hey, do you think it's realistic that the government's going

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Speaker 3: to be able to provide those five hundred new cops

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Speaker 3: they promised by the end of two years.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's looking tough at the moment, but if these

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Speaker 6: recruit numbers carry on then year they'll get there. They

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Speaker 6: wouldn't have under the standard number of recruits that they

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Speaker 6: or in the applicants they get. If these numbers continue

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Speaker 6: to flow through, they'll get there. But it's certainly a

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Speaker 6: big turnaround in a hurry, and I just need to

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Speaker 6: see that it ends up in those new year numbers.

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Speaker 3: Exits gucture recruitments. Can can you actually pump them through

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Speaker 5: Them on the beat?

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Speaker 6: And police did actually when we first had that eighteen

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Speaker 6: hundred of out six years ago. Police ramp up the

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Speaker 6: collars pretty well. So most wings at the college recently

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Speaker 6: have been about sixty. They can crank those wings up

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Speaker 6: eighty and basically put one through a month. So no,

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Speaker 6: they can get there. Puts a bit of work and

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Speaker 6: pressure on the college, but they can get there if

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Speaker 6: they can get the quality through the applicants.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff. Hey, Chris, thank you very much. Enjoy your weekend.

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Speaker 3: That's Chris Carhill Police Association President, Heather. Do you think

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Speaker 3: they've got so many police applicants because the government actually

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Speaker 3: backs them? Now it might be the case. I mean,

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Speaker 3: there's some people are sorting to somebody today. There are

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Speaker 3: some people who just live for this kind of a

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Speaker 3: hero job. They want to do something fun and exciting

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Speaker 3: like this, And now that your arming them up to

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Speaker 3: be able to not literally but you sort of sort

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Speaker 3: of get them the tools to be able to have

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Speaker 3: a crack down at the gangs might be way more fun,

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Speaker 3: mightn't it.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: The Russians, jeez, they are taking this falling birth rate

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Speaker 3: falling birth rate, right because for some reason. Once you

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Speaker 3: start getting a bit wealthy, the ladies go, don't think

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Speaker 3: I want to have a thousand children anymore, thanks very much.

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Speaker 3: So what's happened is that, just like like ourselves in

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Speaker 3: started with Vladimir Putin saying the national birth rate is

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Speaker 3: the highest national priority, Like he is serious, These people

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Speaker 3: lame excuse. Says they need to start getting funky during

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Speaker 3: which begs the question are you just having anybody's baby

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Speaker 3: Then another mp A woman gets involved suggests that maybe

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Speaker 3: employers might like to also get involved. And actually talk

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Speaker 3: birth rate going oh that's not enough. Talk to the staff,

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Speaker 3: say you're capable of bearing your child, do you want

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Speaker 3: Imagine that a weird a quarter past.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c

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Speaker 1: Allen Drive with one new zealand one giant leaf for business,

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Speaker 1: used dogs at be Sport with the new tab app

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Speaker 2: Ari eighteen bed responsibly hither.

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Speaker 3: If you're not having any kids, you're ultimately not contributing

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Speaker 3: to the economy and a net loss as your offspring

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Speaker 3: can't work to offset your pension benefit. Jesus, it takes

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Speaker 3: some sort of a capitalist thing that you're doing in

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Speaker 3: your house. A eighteen passed four. Jason Pine host a

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Speaker 3: weekend Sporters with Me a piney. Hello, Heather, are we

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Speaker 3: going to win?

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Speaker 8: I think so we are, aren't we?

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Speaker 3: Do you think we're going to win?

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Speaker 8: I don't like the hesitation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we're going to win. I do think

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Speaker 3: we're going to win. I mean and mainly because the

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Speaker 3: Aussie suck. But then on the other hand, what's going

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Speaker 3: on with us as well?

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Speaker 9: A well, I tell what, if I'm raiser, I don't

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Speaker 9: want to lose the blatter to sloke up. I rarely

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Speaker 9: don't think that would be what the doctor ordered at all.

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Speaker 9: You're right, Ossie, aren't great? Argentina puts sixty on them

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Speaker 9: a couple of weeks now, albeit in Argentina where it's

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Speaker 9: a bit more difficult. But the fact, the fact remains,

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Speaker 9: day of the four in the Rugby Championship seemingly fourth.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 9: Having said that, a couple of things don't worrying, but

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Speaker 9: I have mild concerns. Joe Schmitt knows us very well.

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Speaker 9: Mike cron knows us very well. They're two of the

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Speaker 9: the brains trust of the Wallabies, and we, as you say,

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Speaker 9: haven't been playing that well if we're honest, have we?

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Speaker 3: Heather during COVID times, it was just so easy to

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Speaker 1: Next, Hard questions, Strong opinion. Heather due per se allan

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Speaker 3: No one as can feel a five?

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Speaker 12: That Israeli enemy targeted thousands of pages. They were detonated

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Speaker 3: And finally, I mean, you're gonna want to shoot the

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of mind

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Speaker 3: If we had panda dogs in this country, wouldn't have

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Speaker 3: such a big problem. Dan Mitchison, US correspondent, Hello, Dan.

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Speaker 4: That's the best laugh I've had all week.

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Speaker 3: I think, Well, how do you not know what a

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Speaker 3: panda looks like when you go to the zoo? Though?

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Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? Like, surely you go.

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Speaker 3: That's the attraction. You surely have seen to the kids.

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Speaker 3: I see a panda. Look this is what a panda

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Speaker 3: looks like on Google and then that's not a panda immediately.

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Speaker 4: Well you would.

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Speaker 17: And they don't hike their legs when they have to

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Speaker 17: go to the toilet or anything like that either.

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Speaker 3: Do they do pandas walk around on all fools like dogs?

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Speaker 4: I don't. I think sometimes they do.

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Speaker 17: Yes, I know, I know we could go on for

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Speaker 17: ages about pandas, but anyway, it's funny.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, So that thing that happened, Okay, now what

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Speaker 3: what was what was elon mask? Meaning?

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Speaker 17: Okay, so this was a tweet that he had sent

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Speaker 17: out and he was questioning why no one was trying

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Speaker 17: to assassinate President Biden or Vice President Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 4: Well, you don't do that because the.

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Speaker 17: Secret Service gets involved, and right now they're looking into

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Speaker 17: that the tweet was deleted, so they're trying to find

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Speaker 17: a lot of people are trying to follow uh, basically

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Speaker 17: an information Act right now to see what the response was.

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Speaker 4: Because there was a user on.

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Speaker 17: X who said why they want why do they want

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Speaker 17: to kill Donald Trump? And then that's when Musk said,

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Speaker 17: and no one's even trying to assassinate Biden and Kamla.

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Speaker 17: So he deleted the message. But it's true that Harris

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Speaker 17: has not been shot at. However, the Feds are going

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Speaker 17: to tell you that they have arrested and they won't

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Speaker 17: say exactly how many people, but a number of people

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Speaker 17: who have threatened to kill her since she began her

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Speaker 17: vice presidency in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 4: Just a stupid thing that must put out there, well.

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Speaker 3: Because you know, one reading of it is sort of

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Speaker 3: like an invitation to do it, isn't it?

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Speaker 17: Well it is and what he's saying is, and he's

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Speaker 17: said this before when he sent out idiotic tweets, is that, Hey,

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Speaker 17: this is my sense of humor.

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Speaker 4: You know that I was just joking. I was just

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Speaker 4: kidding around it.

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Speaker 17: There's some things you don't really kid about, especially when

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Speaker 17: you're in a position like he is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Now, how are the polls going for Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump and Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you pretty darn good right now.

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Speaker 17: Although there's a new way people out that finds it,

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Speaker 17: Trump's favorability remains underwater. I mean something like he's out

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Speaker 17: fifty eight maybe sixty percent unfavorable to thirty eight percent favorability.

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Speaker 17: But the poles are dead tied in a lot of

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Speaker 17: these I mean, this is this selection I think could

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Speaker 17: and we've talked about this in six weeks, so it

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Speaker 17: could come down just a handful of voters in a

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Speaker 17: lot of battleground states. And that's where we're seeing both

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Speaker 17: candidates right now. We've had a number of poles that

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Speaker 17: have come out and each one of them are saying

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Speaker 17: these guys are in a dead heat to win these

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Speaker 17: key swing states. There is a slight edge that Kamala

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Speaker 17: Harris is holding right now nationwide in a lot of

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Speaker 17: these poles. I mean and when I say a slight edge,

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Speaker 17: I mean margin evera is like maybe two percent, So

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Speaker 17: that's that's a dead heat.

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Speaker 3: Dan who is this check Mark Robinson?

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Speaker 17: Okay is he's a Republican candidate for governor for North

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Speaker 17: Carolina right now, and they're calling him a quote black nazi,

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Speaker 17: and the CNN is reporting that that's what he has

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Speaker 17: referred to as as himself. And he's been on the

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Speaker 17: websites right now, going back to twenty two and long

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Speaker 17: before he was a public figure, and looking at all

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Speaker 17: these conservative sites, a lot of very interesting sex sites

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Speaker 17: as well. And there are people that are inside the

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Speaker 17: Trump campaign right now that have been pressuring this guy

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Speaker 17: to drop out of the race or saying, you know what,

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Speaker 17: we don't want you at these campaign events in these

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Speaker 17: critical battleground states. So he did not appear with a

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Speaker 17: vice presidential candidate J. D.

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Speaker 4: Vance On.

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Speaker 17: I think it was yesterday and Raleigh he was supposed

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Speaker 17: to be and then all of a sudden because they

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Speaker 17: said he had COVID. Then today he canceled several of

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Speaker 17: his own appearances. And it's just another one of these

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Speaker 17: instances that things are coming out on social media and

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Speaker 17: the web right now as we head towards November, where

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Speaker 17: you just sort of shake your hand and you wonder,

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Speaker 17: how did we get to where we.

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Speaker 4: Are, or we're talking about a guy like this.

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Speaker 3: You buried the lead on this guy. The reason that

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Speaker 3: we know he calls himself a black Nazi is because

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Speaker 3: it's on porn websites, right, So he's been going on

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Speaker 3: the porn websites and just letting us know all of

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Speaker 3: his thoughts about everything that he's seeing on there right.

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Speaker 17: Well, that and he has certain fetishes or whatever you

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Speaker 17: want to call it, if he likes, and it's just

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Speaker 17: become a very public and it's even if you're even

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Speaker 17: if you're a Republican, you just don't want to do that.

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Speaker 17: And then the Trump campaign doesn't want him around.

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Speaker 3: Do you have a self respecting person you don't want

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Speaker 3: to do that? Dan, Thank you, I appreciate it, Dan,

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Speaker 3: Dan Mitchison US corresponding, this is what this guy's been saying. Okay,

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Speaker 3: it's been going on the porn sites and it seems

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Speaker 3: like it may be slightly historic, but like not that historic,

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Speaker 3: like we're talking about within the last ten ten, fourteen

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Speaker 3: years or so, calls himself a PERV. He goes on

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Speaker 3: to a particular porn site called Nude Africa, and he said,

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Speaker 3: slavery is not bad. Some people need to be slaves.

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Speaker 3: I wish they would bring slavery back. I certainly would

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Speaker 3: buy a few. So anyway that happened, American politics say,

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Speaker 3: it makes you feel sane because you're like, well, at

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Speaker 3: least it is nut. So as we might be, we're

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Speaker 3: not that nut. So now that business about the Secretary

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Speaker 3: General of his Bulla giving his first speech since the

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Speaker 3: blowing up of the pagers and the walkie talkies and

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Speaker 3: the radios and stuff like that. While the Israelis are

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Speaker 3: messing with these guys' heads. While he's giving his speech,

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Speaker 3: there are jets, Israeli fighter jets that start carrying out

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Speaker 3: mock air raids in the sky above, breaking the sound

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Speaker 3: barrier over Bay Route. People come out of their houses

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Speaker 3: to see, like that is how noisy it is. They

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Speaker 3: come out of their houses to see what's going on,

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Speaker 3: and they've got flares up in the air and stuff

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Speaker 3: like that. It's the lowest that the jets has flown

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Speaker 3: over Bay Roots since the beginning of the war in October.

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Speaker 3: So there's a fair bit of messing with the mind

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Speaker 3: going on here as well.

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Speaker 6: Bury.

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Speaker 16: So for next quarter two for politics with centrics credit,

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Speaker 16: check your customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: Barriso Per, Senior political correspondent.

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Speaker 8: Barry Hello, good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Do you this hesitation from the Greens as to whether

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Speaker 3: they go back to the votes to try and kick

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Speaker 3: Darlien out does it say anything to you?

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Speaker 8: Well, I think they almost have to go back to

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Speaker 8: the party membership because that's what they've always done when

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Speaker 8: it comes to something like this, and from the people

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Speaker 8: that I've talked to within the Greens, that is expected,

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Speaker 8: and I would think the Greens now would be of

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Speaker 8: a mind. As you say, they're going to get seventy

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Speaker 8: five percent of the membership, but they've seen the antics

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Speaker 8: of Darlene Tana trying to delay her removal from Parliament.

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Speaker 8: The only way that they can do it successfully is

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Speaker 8: the Walker jumping legislation. If they enact that, they're eating

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Speaker 8: humble pie. Of course they are. But if you look

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Speaker 8: at the proportionality of Parliament under the mixed member proportional

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Speaker 8: system that's expected of them. You've got to maintain the

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Speaker 8: proportionality that the voter went out and voted for it

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Speaker 8: the last election. And if they don't do that, if

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Speaker 8: they don't invoke the legislation, they're laughing in the face

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Speaker 8: of the electoral system. So in my mind, if they're

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Speaker 8: pure politicians, they've got to do it.

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Speaker 3: But if they're pure greenies, they've got to.

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Speaker 8: Greens have shown themselves to be slightly weird in many areas.

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Speaker 3: Do they need to take on this fight with Darling?

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Speaker 3: This girl is beating them at every turn.

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Speaker 8: Well, it's not a fight now. If they now invoke

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Speaker 8: the what could jumping legislation, she'll be gone the speaker.

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Speaker 18: You know.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough. But here's the thing, Right, they have to

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Speaker 3: go to this meeting and get seventy five percent in agreement.

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Speaker 3: What if they don't get five percent agreement? How embarrassing

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Speaker 3: is that after everything they've been with her.

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Speaker 8: Well you can be rest assured before they do it,

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Speaker 8: they will know the delegates that are coming to this

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Speaker 8: meeting and they'll be representative. There won't be the whole party,

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Speaker 8: but they'll be represented.

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Speaker 3: Is it possible that's why they're not going to have.

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Speaker 8: Well if they don't go, then that I agree with you.

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Speaker 8: Hither that says a lot about the greed.

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Speaker 3: So they're taking a little bit of account here above

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Speaker 3: sounds and things. Okay, hey, listen, Luxon has floated the

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Speaker 3: idea of a four year parliamentary term, is he.

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Speaker 8: Yes, he has. I mean this is a bit of

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Speaker 8: a change from January he was saying that the National

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Speaker 8: Party doesn't really have a position on it. But indeed,

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Speaker 8: under the coalition agreements with both ACT and New Zealand,

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Speaker 8: first they agree that a four year parliamentary term should be,

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Speaker 8: it should be, And in fact there's legislation basically in

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Speaker 8: process from the ACT party enabling that, and it's set

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Speaker 8: or to be debated with its first reading shortly and

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Speaker 8: that can lay on the order paper and they can

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Speaker 8: enact it after the next election if the re referendum

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Speaker 8: goes in the way that all the parties have agreed

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Speaker 8: there should be And my view is there should be

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Speaker 8: a four year term. The last vote that was taken

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Speaker 8: by referendum on it was back in nineteen ninety and

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Speaker 8: was voted down then. I voted for it, but having

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Speaker 8: seen under MMP the unbridled power of the Labor government

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Speaker 8: over the past three years, I don't know. I'm so

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Speaker 8: sure that we need a four year term. The argument

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Speaker 8: has always been that in the first of the three

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Speaker 8: years you have the party sort of solidifying its position

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Speaker 8: in government. Second you get policy. The third is looking

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Speaker 8: out to fight the next election, so you don't really

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Speaker 8: time to enact what should be decent policy. So that

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Speaker 8: last one I talked about nineteen ninety the turnout of

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Speaker 8: voters was eighty two percent and that was rejected by

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Speaker 8: sixty nine percent of voters. The only other referendum that's

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Speaker 8: been held in a four year parliament was in nineteen

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Speaker 8: sixty seven. There was only a turnout then, funnily enough,

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Speaker 8: at the election of just on seventy percent, sixty eight

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Speaker 8: percent voted against it. So it doesn't have a good

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Speaker 8: track record, but I think people have probably changed their moment.

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Speaker 3: No doubt it. It's a really easy one to defeat,

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Speaker 3: you know how, yeap. You just remind people of what

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Speaker 3: happened under the Labor seriously, just remind conservative voters of

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Speaker 3: what happened in the Labor for six Well.

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Speaker 8: I'm a bit soft on it, and I was quite

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Speaker 8: for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to talk about this later on because

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Speaker 3: I completely disagree with you. Hey, haven't got a huge

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Speaker 3: amount of time, But that address from the Prime Minister,

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Speaker 3: it's a Bloomberg sounded, I'm sorry to say, but very boring.

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Speaker 8: It's pretty lacklust Basically, I'll give you a bit of

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Speaker 8: the audio. Luxeon told his audience that's at Bloomberg that

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Speaker 8: New Zealand's distance from the rest of the world is

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Speaker 8: no longer a hindrance to our trade prospects.

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Speaker 19: At a time when the weight of the global economy

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Speaker 19: is increasingly shifting from the Atlantic into the Pacific, the

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Speaker 19: old argument of the tyranny of distance has actually never

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Speaker 19: felt more distant. Rapidly rising Asian middle class is a

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Speaker 19: win win for New Zealand. On the one hand, the

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Speaker 19: surging demand is great for our quality products and experiences,

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Speaker 19: and it's great news for Kiwi exporters back here at home.

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Speaker 19: But on the other hand, that same growth in the

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Speaker 19: middle classes across the Indo Pacific is also creating new

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Speaker 19: pools of savings and new pools of capital, offering fresh

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Speaker 19: opportunities for inbound foreign direct investment into New Zealand as well.

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Speaker 8: Now, that was the wind up to his speech.

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Speaker 3: That was the crescendo was it.

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Speaker 8: That was the crescendo. And I've got to say, look,

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Speaker 8: there should be somebody out there instructing Luxen on how

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Speaker 8: to deliver a speech and excite the audience.

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Speaker 3: Began.

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Speaker 11: That's not doing it.

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Speaker 3: It is economics though, isn't it?

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Speaker 8: Well, it is because it'll be really exciting when it

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Speaker 8: comes to that.

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Speaker 3: E don't go to one of those. Okay, thank you, Verry,

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Speaker 3: appreciate it. Very supper, We'll writ the political week that

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Speaker 3: was a quarter past six is very Soope our senior

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Speaker 3: political correspondent seven away from five, putting the.

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Speaker 1: Tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 20: Where are we at with the aut racist policy of

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Speaker 20: handing out a better travel deal for employees who happened

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Speaker 20: to be Mario pacificate Courchiary Minister Penny Simmons is with

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Speaker 20: us on this. Now they defend it, don't they?

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Speaker 18: Yes, they do, and look they have an absolute right

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Speaker 18: to defend it, and the education and training at twenty

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Speaker 18: twenty gives them that independence to.

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Speaker 21: Make those decisions.

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Speaker 18: So I can't direct them to take notice of the

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Speaker 18: cabinet circular or the intent in it. I can only

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Speaker 18: draw it to their attention. Look, I've spoken with the

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Speaker 18: Vice Chancellor the dayment and I think that aut have

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Speaker 18: got some good rationale behind this decision.

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Speaker 20: Back Monday from six am, the mic asking breakfast with

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Speaker 20: the Jaguar News Talk ZBI.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody's into the four year term here, the four

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Speaker 3: year term, imagine that with ourdurn here the enough your

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Speaker 3: term for me? No, thanks very much here, why not

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Speaker 3: do three years for the first term and then if

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Speaker 3: you voted in and you get the public's confidence, you

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Speaker 3: get four or five years because you still get your cinder,

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Speaker 3: don't you Because she got voted back in, you still

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Speaker 3: get four or five years. That's so no, no, no, no, anyway,

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Speaker 3: we'll talk about that later because there's some very good,

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Speaker 3: very good points coming through on the text, which are

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Speaker 3: actually points that I intend to make, and we'll do

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Speaker 3: that in the next hour. The government has just done something.

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Speaker 3: I think if you if you get if the whole

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Speaker 3: crime situation and the way the thing is stacked at

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Speaker 3: the moment in the way the court system works, gets

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Speaker 3: you back up, you're going to like what the government's

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Speaker 3: just done, which is putting eighteen million bucks into improving

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Speaker 3: victim's experience of the criminal justice system. Now what this

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Speaker 3: means in practice is they're going to establish like a

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Speaker 3: dedicated support unit for victims of youth crime because there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of youth crime going on. And we'll get

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Speaker 3: We're going to chat to Ruth Money later on in

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Speaker 3: just a few minutes find out what that actually will do.

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Speaker 3: The thing I particularly like is that they are going

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Speaker 3: to pay people it's a trial. They're going to pay

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Speaker 3: people to help victims, pay to write their victim impact statement.

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Speaker 3: That is a massive change right previous government, we were

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Speaker 3: paying people to write reports for the criminals, culture reports.

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Speaker 3: That's gone and now we're writing reports for the victims.

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Speaker 3: And that's why it should be so Ruth Money on

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Speaker 3: that shortly and the Maritime Union mixed up on what

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Speaker 3: happened to that fairy that it lost power.

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Speaker 1: Newstalksz'b the only drive show you can trust to ask

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Speaker 1: the questions, get the answers by the facts and give

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Speaker 1: the analysis together due to clam drive with One New

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Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected and news talk as.

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Speaker 2: They'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon, it's happened again. Another cook straight fairy got into

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Speaker 3: trouble last night. This time it was a Bluebridge fairy.

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Speaker 3: And it lost power as the Connamara, traveling from Wellington

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Speaker 3: to Picton, had eighty eight people on board. Then the

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Speaker 3: lights went out, started drifting in the cook straight and

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Speaker 3: two tugs had to bring it back into Wellington. Maritime

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Speaker 3: Union of New Zealand National Secretary Carl fin lears with

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Speaker 3: us on this. Hey, Carl, they don't very well, thank you?

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Speaker 3: What happened?

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Speaker 5: Well, well, it sounds just lost power and they were

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Speaker 5: drifting around the only power of their head was on

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Speaker 5: the bridge and that was emergency lighting, so that that

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Speaker 5: was great. The crew could see al they're going to

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Speaker 5: run into.

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Speaker 3: Well, how does a fairy just lose power?

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Speaker 5: Well, I guess we have to wait for the investigation.

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Speaker 5: There's a few rumors going around out there what actually

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Speaker 5: happened there, But I would prefer we waited until the

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Speaker 5: investigation come out.

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Speaker 3: Because those of us, Karl, who don't understand this kind

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Speaker 3: of thing, which includes me obviously, is this like an

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Speaker 3: electrical failure? Does it run out of some sort of

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Speaker 3: fuel like what causes something like this to happen?

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Speaker 5: Well, honestly, it could be all of the above technology.

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Speaker 5: Who knows. That's why I say best off waiting for

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Speaker 5: the report. We don't want to start begging, begging people

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Speaker 5: when they don't deserve it, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Is there any chance, is there any chance at all

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Speaker 3: that it's human error?

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Speaker 5: Not from what I'm hearing through the grapevine. But but again,

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Speaker 5: I don't want to you know, you say too much

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Speaker 5: of that until the investigations out there. Yeah, we'll look

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Speaker 5: at this happening start too often, hasn't it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Too right now, The thing is, this is the

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Speaker 3: first time in ages that something like this has happened

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Speaker 3: to Bluebridge. It's usually Kiwi Ral and key we Rale's

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Speaker 3: problem is that they're patching up really old vessels and

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Speaker 3: not doing a particularly good job of it. What's Bluebridge's problem?

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm not so sure. In March twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 5: the bridge, you know, hit the wharf, causing a lot

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Speaker 5: of damage to the on the on the current Connoma

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Speaker 5: you know, twenty twenty two there are issues, you know,

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Speaker 5: with engineering issues, twenty twenty one, there's various issues with

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Speaker 5: Connoma again and now now I'll get to twenty twenty

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Speaker 5: four that loses power and as you pointed out, q

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Speaker 5: I had a lot of issues too. The ironic things

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Speaker 5: they've been well, they've been running around shooting themselves in

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Speaker 5: the foot with the government's generous help. The Blue Bridge

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Speaker 5: part of the business has been smoking in the background.

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Speaker 5: And albeit they're not squeaked claim in.

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Speaker 3: The case of them both just running their equipment into.

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Speaker 5: The ground, Oh no, I don't. Yeah, well, I guess

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Speaker 5: it's a good question. Only they're running it into the

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Speaker 5: ground on purpose. I mean carry Out had a plan,

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Speaker 5: didn't they, And that was just ripped out from underneath

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Speaker 5: them by the government nine months ago.

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Speaker 3: That we've got two completely different providers and they're both

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Speaker 3: they're both doing idiotic things on the same bit of water.

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Speaker 5: Well exactly, So let's let's get the six once and

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Speaker 5: for all on that one provider. They're run by the

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Speaker 5: run by by news ylanders, looked after by news ylanders,

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Speaker 5: looking after the piece of infrastructure.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Carl, thank you. I appreciate it. By the way,

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Speaker 3: Carl Findlay Finlay, the Maritime Union of New Zealand National Secretary.

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Speaker 3: You see what I mean. I don't know if you

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Speaker 3: should catch a fairy eleven past.

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Speaker 2: Five, hever duper Cy Ellen good news.

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Speaker 3: For the victims of crime. The government's putting eighteen million

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Speaker 3: bucks into improving their experience of the justice system. So

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Speaker 3: they're going to trial, having specialists help write victim impact statements,

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Speaker 3: and there will also be a dedicated support for victims

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Speaker 3: of youth crime Ruth Money as a victim's advocate, Hay Ruth.

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Speaker 3: This sounds like a complete change, doesn't it. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't that long ago that we were funding the

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Speaker 3: writing of culture reports for criminals, and now we're funding

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Speaker 3: the writing of impact statements for victims, which is the way

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Speaker 3: it should be.

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Speaker 22: It's a lovely change. I am embracing every second of it.

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Speaker 3: Is it going to make a difference? Do you think?

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Speaker 22: I atal genuinely do believe it will make a difference.

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Speaker 22: Victims have been screaming out this type of support, particularly

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Speaker 22: when they are offended against by young people, so it's

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Speaker 22: really lovely to see that it has been acknowledged.

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Speaker 2: Is it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, do people who find themselves victims of crime

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Speaker 3: sometimes find it hard to kind of artic related?

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Speaker 22: Absolutely?

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Speaker 5: Yea.

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Speaker 22: The trauma you're not rational, you don't have a kind

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Speaker 22: of linear thought because of trauma. But also no one

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Speaker 22: tells you anything, so you don't know what you don't

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Speaker 22: know and you're just lost in this system that speaks

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Speaker 22: a different language and doesn't really communicate with you as

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Speaker 22: the victim.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and what about the dedicated support for victims of

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Speaker 3: youth crime, including victims of sexual violence by youth offenders?

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Speaker 3: What does that? What does that actually look like?

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Speaker 22: This is probably the biggest part of this announcement that

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Speaker 22: I'm most excited about, although clearly I'm embracing all of it. So,

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Speaker 22: victims of sexual crime, when the offender is a what

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Speaker 22: they call a young person youth basically are forced, slashed,

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Speaker 22: encouraged to attend a family group conference with their rapist,

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Speaker 22: with the person who sexually abused them. Because the youth

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Speaker 22: justice system, quite appropriately, is all about rehabilitation. But when

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Speaker 22: it comes to sexual crime, it's not like someone just

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Speaker 22: nick jack car, right, Nick your car. I get it.

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Speaker 22: You're comfortable being in the room talking to them about

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Speaker 22: the impacts on you and trying to get them back

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Speaker 22: on track. But when you are forced into a room,

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Speaker 22: for encouraged strongly into a room to face the person

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Speaker 22: who has sexually abused you, it is very difficult, and

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Speaker 22: it absolutely takes a skill set that is not autoing

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Speaker 22: a commody, key social workers. It is a specialist sexual

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Speaker 22: violence restoration person and that's what's being funded, which is

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Speaker 22: so appropriate.

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Speaker 3: That's very cool. Hey, Ruth, thank you very much. Enjoy

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Speaker 3: your weekend. Ruth's money. Victim's advocate. Apparently, I was not

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Speaker 3: expecting this, and I'm very happy to say I must

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Speaker 3: have been proven wrong. I must have been wrong, and

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Speaker 3: I am being proven wrong. Let me say that correctly.

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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris did get a bounce from that debate. Apparently

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Speaker 3: in the polls, the economist is doing like a pole

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Speaker 3: of poles and aggregate of all the available poles, and

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Speaker 3: it reckons. You can now see the bowl, the bounce

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Speaker 3: in her lift and support after the debate that she

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Speaker 3: had with Donald Trump. On the day of the debate,

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Speaker 3: the poll tracker had her leading Donald Trump by three

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Speaker 3: point eight points. It has now jumped to four point

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Speaker 3: five points. Now, it doesn't feel significant to zero point

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Speaker 3: seven percent jump, right, But what is probably is better

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Speaker 3: than that, because it's an aggregate of It's an aggregate

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Speaker 3: across poles, but also across time. By the looks of things,

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Speaker 3: of the whole bunch of poles that were done before

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Speaker 3: the debate that are also still in the mix, so

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Speaker 3: she's being dragged down by that, so possibly once they

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Speaker 3: kind of work their way through, she actually jumps up

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Speaker 3: even higher. Two caveats to this. The first is, obviously

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Speaker 3: it's not the popular and national vote that will determine

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Speaker 3: whether she becomes the president or not. It all comes

870
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 3: down to the Swing states, and there aren't enough poles

871
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 3: in the Swing States to really get a clear, clear,

872
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: clear idea of what's going on there. And the second

873
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 3: caveat is that this was done before he had the

874
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 3: second assassination attempt and got on. Who knows what impact

875
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 3: that has. I mean, I said neither of them would

876
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 3: have an impact, but maybe maybe they both do. Quarter past,

877
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 3: we all want to be the best, but not all

878
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 3: of us get to say that we actually are the best.

879
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 3: One company that can proudly claim this accolade, though, is

880
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 3: One New Zealand. They've been named as having the best

881
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 3: mobile network in New Zealand. Forget this the third year running,

882
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 3: the third year running. That says a lot right. The

883
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 3: award was handed out in May by independent benchmarking organization UMLAUT.

884
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 3: These guys test and compare more than two hundred mobile

885
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 3: networks worldwide, and of the three major key we tell

886
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 3: cos One New Zealand's mobile network performed the best. They

887
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 3: came out on top for voice and for data, and

888
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 3: they had the most reliable mobile network. And the results

889
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 3: are good news for One New Zealand because these guys

890
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 3: are investing millions of dollars every year into the network.

891
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 3: It's also really good news for people like you and

892
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 3: me because we rely on our phones right really heavily

893
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 3: for both work and personal use, and we need a

894
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 3: mobile network that keeps us connected. So if you'd like

895
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 3: to learn more about joining New Zealand's most reliable mobile network,

896
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 3: jump online and visit one dot NZ.

897
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: Ever do for c ellens.

898
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I keep getting this text from someone

899
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 3: here that Kamala Harris was wearing earphones disguised as large

900
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 3: airings during that debate. I don't think so, but I

901
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 3: don't know. Maybe you're reading Elon's Twitter account again eight

902
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 3: and you should not do that. Eighteen past five. Now

903
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 3: the tipping debate is back, and this time with a twist.

904
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 3: It's coming from Luke Dallo, who's got three years of

905
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 3: hospitality or three decade sorry if hospitality experience under his belt.

906
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 3: He reckons bars and restaurants need to cut the prices

907
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 3: on their menu of their beers and their food and

908
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 3: so on, and that will encourage people to start tipping

909
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 3: in ease with us.

910
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 5: Now, Hi, Luke, Hey, Heather, how are you?

911
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 10: That's not me texting you?

912
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 21: By the way, I'm glad that's.

913
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 3: Not you texting me, Otherwise I'd hang up on you immediately. Luke,

914
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: do you reckon? This is going to work? If I

915
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 3: pay less for a beer, I'm going to want to

916
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 3: give a couple of bucks to the staff.

917
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 10: Absolutely. I mean, we've going to change your status quo

918
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 10: of restaurants and bars. At the moment, it's really unaffordable

919
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 10: to go on Posby Road and have a good night out.

920
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 10: And the whole life idea of hospitality is to go

921
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 10: out two or three times a week. Now, I could

922
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 10: pint of heinekin on Ponsrey Roads sixteen dollars. If we

923
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 10: can reduce that down to fourteen dollars, and if you

924
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 10: give good service, you're going to give the waiter or

925
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 10: the waitress behind the bar or on the floor next

926
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 10: to two dollars. I've worked it out.

927
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 7: I've done.

928
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 10: The mass minimum wage is twenty three dollars an hour.

929
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 10: And if you can't make twenty dollars and tips, which

930
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 10: brings it up to forty three dollars an hour, that's

931
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 10: a pretty good wage.

932
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 5: That makes wrong so tipic.

933
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 10: This is a good time to bring the tipping practice in.

934
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 3: Okay, But I don't get why you want to do this.

935
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 3: Because they will get more, your staff will get more.

936
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 3: But you're going to have to take a bit of

937
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 3: a cut.

938
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'm going to get bums on the seat.

939
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 10: I'm going to get turnover. I'm going to turn tables

940
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 10: over because my waits and waitresses wanting to make more money.

941
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 10: So they're going to go bang bang great service, great service,

942
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 10: blah blah bomb, give another turnover on this.

943
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 5: You know, because they want to make That's what it is.

944
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 5: They're going to make turnover and I'll make it, you know,

945
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 5: I'll make mine for your cat. And look, I've been

946
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 5: driving around and look at them your road.

947
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 10: You've got these the Chinese and the Lovely Dumpling place.

948
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 7: Stay out full. They are choker good, imagy cheap because

949
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 7: they're cheap, and they turned things over. Come on pots

950
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 7: of the road. It's dead because the European model they

951
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 7: wants to make a bigger profit. Now I've been in

952
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 7: the hospitality for thirty years. I have to pivot.

953
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 10: I've got to change, and this is what I'm thinking

954
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 10: about doing.

955
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 3: Yes, hey, you've just brought into chapel, haven't you.

956
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 5: No, No, I like that's a long story.

957
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 10: That's I sold out a chapel two weeks before the

958
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 10: feast lockdown. I left some money behind, and the boys

959
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 10: win and the receivership and there are that's a love story.

960
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: Oh.

961
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 3: I should stop spreading that story then, because now I

962
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 3: thought that was going to happen, and I was going

963
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 3: to ask you if you're excited about it. But yeah,

964
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 3: I take your point about ponsby Road. I think you're

965
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 3: onto something. Luke, it's always good to talk to you, mate.

966
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 3: Look after yourself. That's Luke dello Auckland, hospitality entrepreneur.

967
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 7: Luke.

968
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 3: Stuff is always good. I recommend finding one of his

969
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 3: joints and go along to it. Now, the case of

970
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 3: Stephen Stone is fascinating when and we're going to talk

971
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 3: about this in fifteen minutes, because Stephen Stone was one

972
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 3: of the guys found guilty in nineteen eighty nine of

973
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 3: the murders of Dean full of Sands and Leah Stevens.

974
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 3: And then last month the Crown prosecutors said actually, yeah, nah,

975
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 3: he should have his convictions quashed because this was a mistrial.

976
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 3: And on that day that that happened, he was like, right,

977
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 3: and I'm getting out of jail because he's spent twenty

978
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 3: six years and he has been in jail since, which

979
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 3: is quite weird because you would think if you if

980
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 3: the Crown is even saying, qush the convictions it was

981
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 3: a mistrial, you think the guy would get out. We're

982
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 3: going to talk to Tim McKinnell, who's been doing the

983
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 3: private investigation on this. As I say in fifteen minutes

984
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 3: five twenty two.

985
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c

986
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: Allen Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and

987
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: new stalks.

988
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 2: That'd be Heather.

989
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 3: Sixteen dollars for a Heinek and no wonder, no one

990
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,479
Speaker 3: goes there. It's nine bucks at my local waite. Jeez,

991
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 3: you haven't spent enough time in these places like Parnal

992
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 3: on Ponsonby you would be it's eye watering some of

993
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 3: the prices. Twenty four past five now looks like we're

994
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 3: going to get an unexpected referendum at the next election

995
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 3: on four year terms, which has been speaking about it

996
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 3: in the show, because Chris Luxon's given a speech today

997
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 3: saying he's going to push for a referendum in twenty

998
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 3: twenty six. So what that means is the earliest we

999
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 3: will probably get it as twenty twenty nine, right, we'd

1000
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 3: vote for it in twenty twenty six, yes or no,

1001
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 3: and then at the next election you would go into

1002
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 3: that new term or remain with the three year terms,

1003
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 3: which we about twenty twenty nine before the thin kis

1004
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 3: and so maybe five years away. I hope it doesn't

1005
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 3: happen because I think I'm going to vote against it,

1006
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 3: absolutely open to having my mind changed if there's a

1007
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 3: decent argument to have it. But in the last few

1008
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 3: years in politics I have been badly burned on the

1009
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 3: idea of a four year term because can you imagine

1010
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 3: Jacinda and that lot in for not six years but

1011
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 3: eight years. And now this is not a commentary on

1012
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: the fact that I disagree with a lot of the

1013
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 3: politics that where is at play or their mismanagement of

1014
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 3: the economy. Although I've got to be honest, I would

1015
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 3: hate to see that stuff carry on for full eight years.

1016
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 3: But it's actually more because of the number of things

1017
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 3: that they did without a mandate, the stuff that I

1018
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 3: suspect they knew they were going to to do but

1019
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 3: didn't tell us about at the twenty twenty election, in

1020
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 3: particular because they knew it might not prove popular. Case

1021
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 3: and pointers in the Nayabmahuta and the Maori Wards situation,

1022
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 3: you know, taking away the rate payers ability to have

1023
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 3: a say on whether they want the Maori Wards in

1024
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 3: their council. She didn't tell us. You could go through

1025
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty Labour Party manifesto, it's not in there.

1026
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 3: She didn't tell us she was going to do that. That

1027
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 3: was quite a big thing. And now instead of us

1028
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 3: having had the debate about it beforehand and then accepting

1029
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 3: people have voted for it and let's do it now,

1030
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 3: what we're doing is we've got a new government and

1031
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 3: they're unwinding and we're having a giant fight about it.

1032
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 3: And it's deeply unpleasant, right, but there is nothing at

1033
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 3: the time that which when she started rolling it out,

1034
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 3: nothing we could do about it, because, unlike many other

1035
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,959
Speaker 3: countries in our country. We do not have a second house.

1036
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 3: We don't have a second chamber. We Australia has got

1037
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 3: the Senate. They can veto dumb ideas. We've got nothing.

1038
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 3: MMP is supposed to be that guard rail because even

1039
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 3: if there is no second house, you're supposed to have

1040
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 3: at least a second or third party in coalition that

1041
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 3: the party the primary party has to negotiate their dumb

1042
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 3: ideas with. That didn't happen last time, and we just

1043
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 3: had the one party there forcing dumb ideas on us.

1044
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 3: We are already known as the country with the fastest

1045
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 3: lawmaking in the world. That says to me, we don't

1046
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 3: have a problem getting changed done. There's no problem here

1047
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 3: to fix. These guys get in, they spend the first

1048
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 3: year and betting themselves. Second ye're ramming through all the change,

1049
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 3: and the third year getting re elected. No problem with

1050
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 3: them having the opportunity to do the things they want

1051
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 3: to do. Three year terms are our guard rail. They

1052
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 3: are our second house. We need to have them there.

1053
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 3: I don't think we should be giving up on that

1054
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 3: too fast.

1055
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 2: Ever, duper the ol sports tutle is.

1056
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 3: Going to be Please let me know what you think,

1057
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 3: as I say, happy to have my mind changed. Its

1058
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 3: sport title is going to be a US shortly. By

1059
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 3: the way, we're going to get a second moon this spring.

1060
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 3: Apparently there's an asteroid which is about the size of

1061
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 3: a big bus, which is going to be sucked into

1062
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 3: our gravitational pull, Earth's gravitational pull and is going to

1063
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 3: start doing lapse of the Earth for about a couple

1064
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 3: of months, like basically becoming a mini moon. Will be

1065
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,479
Speaker 3: with us in nine days time, and it will stick

1066
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 3: around until late November, and then it'll shoot off again

1067
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 3: and go back home. Unfortunately, you won't see it with

1068
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 3: the naked eye, even with by Knox, even with amateur telescopes,

1069
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 3: but the astronomers will have the right stuff and they'll

1070
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 3: be able to see it for us head lines.

1071
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: Next, the day's newsmakers talk to Heather First, Heather Duperice,

1072
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: Alan drive with One New Zealand let's get connected and

1073
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: news talk z B.

1074
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 3: You can see, give us six years of good government

1075
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 3: is better than eight years of bad government. I'll tell

1076
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 3: you what. I would agree that because it probably takes

1077
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 3: six years of good government to undo eight years of

1078
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 3: bad government. So I think right, Yeah, so far, have

1079
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 3: any argument that convinces me that maybe three terms are

1080
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 3: a bad idea. M No, nothing's convinced me yet. You're

1081
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 3: gonna have to try harder. Hey, Formula one stars have

1082
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 3: been told apparently they need to stop swearing in the

1083
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Speaker 3: cars so much. This is the FIA president has said

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Speaker 3: that it's just as too much going on in there.

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Speaker 3: They're not entire The drivers aren't super happy about it.

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00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 3: It's a weird thing for I feel like when you

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00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 3: I feel like, especially with something like motorsport, given that

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00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 3: everything is so finely tuned and so it's so intense

1089
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 3: in there. Surely you don't want to be messing with

1090
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 3: these guys heads and giving them something else to think about.

1091
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 3: This is such an unnecessary Let them swear if they

1092
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 3: want to swear. Anyway, we'll talk the sportshuddle about they

1093
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 3: get their take on it. Shortly after six o'clock, we're

1094
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 3: going to talk to Chris Bishop about the RMA reform.

1095
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 3: It's been announced today, two laws to replace. Once we'll

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Speaker 3: get his take on what's going on. They're twenty three

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Speaker 3: away from six here. The duplessy Llen now Stephen Stone

1098
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 3: has spent the last twenty six years in prison. He's

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Speaker 3: still in prison, even though the Crown last month accepted

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Speaker 3: that he was wrongfully convicted. He was found guilty in

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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty nine of the murders of Dean full of

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Speaker 3: Sands and Leah Stephens, and last month the Crown urged

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Speaker 3: the court to quash his convictions and indicated it wanted

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Speaker 3: a RETRL.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: Tim mckinnall is a private investigator who has advocated for

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Speaker 3: Stephen Stone. Hi, Tim, I either should he still be

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00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 3: in there?

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00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 23: Well my view absolutely not. The Crown the state in

1110
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 23: this case has conceded that he's suffered a miscarriage of justice,

1111
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 23: not in one but two murder cases. And if a

1112
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 23: single day in prison after the state make those sorts

1113
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Speaker 23: of concessions, so I think it is a day too many.

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00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 3: What's like, legally, where are we with him? Is he

1115
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 3: still convicted, is he acquitted?

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00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 13: What?

1117
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 23: He is still convicted? Which is unusual given the circumstances.

1118
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 23: So that the Crown conceded he suffered a miscarriage justice,

1119
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 23: and Garland and Mark and Colin have as well, but

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Speaker 23: the judge the judges have yet to make that determination

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00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 23: themselves and it is a matter for them. So in

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Speaker 23: the meantime, they've decided that he shouldn't have bailage, he

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Speaker 23: should stay where he.

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Speaker 3: Is, right, So is it a case of us having

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Speaker 3: to go back to court for this or is it

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Speaker 3: so be waiting for the judges to decide whether he's

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Speaker 3: acquitted or not.

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Speaker 23: What seems that the Court of Appeals position is that

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Speaker 23: he just needs to wait for his decision, for their

1130
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Speaker 23: decision on whether or not his convictions should be quashed.

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Speaker 23: We think it is almost certain that his convictions will

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Speaker 23: be quashed, and in those circumstances, he shouldn't be sitting

1133
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Speaker 23: in prison.

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Speaker 3: So he is being held on a technicality right that

1135
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 3: he still remains convicted.

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00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,959
Speaker 23: Yeah, in the normal course of events, that somebody's declined bail,

1137
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 23: they have an opportunity to appeal. But there's some legal

1138
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 23: intricacies in Stephen's case, in part because it's such an

1139
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 23: old case. But one of the things that makes it

1140
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 23: more difficult now is that we don't have the reasons

1141
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 23: that he's been declined bail. He's simply been told he

1142
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 23: doesn't have a bail and that we don't know why.

1143
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Speaker 3: That's quite bizarre, isn't it. Do you think this is

1144
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 3: going to go to retrial or simply be just once

1145
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 3: we get the decision from the judges just left it.

1146
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 23: That My personal view for what it's worth, and it's

1147
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 23: just that is that the case against Stephen, Gail, Mark

1148
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 23: and Colin was a complete fabrication. None of what the

1149
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 23: Crown claimed that the trials was true, and there's no

1150
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 23: way in my.

1151
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 4: View that there should be a retrial.

1152
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 23: But the Crown of taking a different view for Gail

1153
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 23: and Stephen, and we'll have to wait and see what

1154
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Speaker 23: the court makes of them.

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Speaker 3: Tim, it's good to talk to you. I really appreciate it.

1156
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 3: Thanks mate. Enjoy your weekend. Tim McKinnell, private investigator, Right

1157
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 3: now coming up twenty away from.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, I was just like, man, this is well,

1161
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 3: I liked this UFC stuff. Fur like we've got a

1162
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 3: fight already.

1163
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 2: Man Like.

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Speaker 9: God, he gets him that extra bounds cramping corner up now.

1165
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 2: Easy catch from Tom Blundell. Well, well, I rock strikes early.

1166
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 2: You know this is a Swan song.

1167
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 8: Well, you know, but when does the song stop? I

1168
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 8: say that I just don't tonight.

1169
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Speaker 3: Oklay on the sports tunnel this this evening Levin a

1170
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 3: good sports journalist and commentator, and Andrew Ordison News Talk

1171
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 3: Z'DB sports reader. Hello you two, Kyoto Korda, are nice

1172
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 3: to speak, Greetings guys, great hangs. All right, Levina, We've

1173
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 3: got this one against the Wallabies and the bag. Haven't

1174
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 3: we nothing to worry about at all? I don't know, Heather,

1175
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 3: to be honest.

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Speaker 15: I mean, I know they're coming off that record loss

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00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 15: against Argentina, but they beat them the week before by one.

1178
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 15: And to be fair, the Wallabies have a whole lot

1179
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 15: to play for James Slipper, the thirty five year old

1180
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 15: who's playing in his one hundred and fortieth test. Helson

1181
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 15: passed George Gregan who set the record seventeen years ago,

1182
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 15: and Gregan's swown in from London to be part of

1183
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 15: the tributes also for Slipper. So they've got plenty to

1184
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 15: play for and they're not taking on an invincible All

1185
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 15: Black side at the moment coming back from South Africa.

1186
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 15: So I know lots of sports commentators are saying if

1187
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Speaker 15: Australia get within twenty, the All Blacks will be disappointed.

1188
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,959
Speaker 15: But usually when it comes to the first first Test

1189
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 15: match with the Bladders Low Club, it's always always quite close,

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Speaker 15: and I think it'll be close to than what most

1191
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 15: people think what you reckon orders Gee, I'm.

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Speaker 24: With Levina on this. I think it could be closer

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00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 24: than people to think. The thing that's thrown me is

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00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 24: that forty point win to Argentina over Australia. It's really

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Speaker 24: how the Wallabies respond to that. But I just I've

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00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 24: got a lot of speak for Joe Schmidt and he's

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00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 24: in a student rugby coach. I mean, he knows how

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00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 24: to beat in his inner when he was with Ireland,

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Speaker 24: did it a couple of times, and I just think

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Speaker 24: that it shouldn't be I guess underestimated here what the

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00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 24: All Blacks might be up against, particularly in Sydney.

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Speaker 8: First up, what do.

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00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 3: You make Levina of all the chopping and changing that's

1204
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 3: going on in terms of the starters.

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00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 15: I understand Body Barrett now coming off the bench and

1206
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 15: starting at fifteen, and I think that's mainly because they're

1207
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 15: willing to stick with Damien Mackenzie at ten and to

1208
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 15: have Body behind him supporting him that way will mean

1209
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 15: a lot if they're going to keep on with Mackenzie

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00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 15: at ten, then I'm all for having body there.

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00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 3: I also like the fact that Caleb Clark has.

1212
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 15: Taken that winger roll over Tilla, who seems to have

1213
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 15: lost some confidence in the last few matches. And most

1214
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 15: of all, I guess Ethan a group coming back will

1215
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,720
Speaker 15: bring heaps of punch to the pack. So the chopping

1216
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 15: and changing of late I'm not too perplexed by, but

1217
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 15: there has been a lot of changes.

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00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 3: At some stage.

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00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 15: Robertson just has to stick with something that's going to work,

1220
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 15: and it hasn't worked so far. Hopefully it does this

1221
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 15: time for the All Blacks.

1222
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Speaker 3: Yet now I've been interested this week orders and the

1223
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 3: fact that sunny Bill Williams has come out and said, look,

1224
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 3: we need to start picking the overseas players, and he's

1225
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 3: named a bunch of players that we should pick. This

1226
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 3: doesn't feel that controversial anymore. Feels like we need to

1227
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 3: get onto it, doesn't it is it a bit of

1228
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 3: a knee jerk reaction though, I just wonder.

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00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 24: I mean, if you were going to apply it, sure

1230
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 24: you would apply more.

1231
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 25: Of a I know, like a stagger at like a

1232
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 25: Geto law type scenario from twenty fifteen where you have

1233
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 25: to apply to certain number of tests to be able

1234
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 25: to reach are shold if you like before they allow

1235
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 25: that to happen with.

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Speaker 4: The experience, etc.

1237
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 24: But then again, I mean if you look at other codes,

1238
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 24: I mean where would cricket be if you if you

1239
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 24: prevented players from you know, who are playing overseas and

1240
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 24: playing in the national team. So it's it might be

1241
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 24: moving with the times given the era that we're in,

1242
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 24: that that you do have to think a bit more

1243
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 24: about that, given it's worked for South Africa, hasn't.

1244
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 3: It, Levina. We're in the cricket we're just all out,

1245
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 3: just been bowled all out for three p forty and

1246
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 3: we're lead by thirty five? Is that all right? We

1247
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 3: are we doing okay here?

1248
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,439
Speaker 15: I'm just loving the fact we've got world class Test

1249
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 15: cricket we can watch at a decent hour as well,

1250
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 15: so you know, no need for us to panic at

1251
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 15: the moment.

1252
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 3: But how good was Will O'Rourke. Have you heard of him, Heather?

1253
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 3: Ever heard of him? He's a fast boller. He's a fastball,

1254
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 3: isn't he.

1255
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 15: He's a fast bowler playing in his third Test for

1256
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 15: the black Caps and came out, was an absolute menace

1257
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 15: in his first spell. You know, he could bounce it.

1258
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 15: He was scintillating with speed. He was cracking orders. You

1259
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 15: know this well over one hundred and forty kilometers per

1260
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 15: hour when generating the bowl. And he's just a new

1261
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 15: kid on the block. He's six foot four, he's twenty

1262
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 15: two years of age, and that alone makes it worth

1263
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 15: watching the Black Caps at the moment.

1264
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 3: It's a pity, isn't it. Older is that it's raining

1265
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 3: and miserable and wet in New Zealand, because when you're

1266
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 3: watching the cricket right now, you feel like it should

1267
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 3: be summer.

1268
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 24: Absolutely, look at gauld to that I haven't afford to

1269
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 24: cover a Test match, but that would be that would

1270
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 24: be really one on the bucket list, I suspect. I mean,

1271
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 24: it's just I understand that the seafood's brilliant as well.

1272
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,919
Speaker 24: You just cross the road and grab some lunch there, etc.

1273
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 24: And it's just so idyllic under in the shadow of

1274
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 24: the fort. So yeah, it's quite something to behold. You're

1275
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 24: probablylucky to get that lead here.

1276
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 18: Now.

1277
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 15: I've never been there, but I want to go now

1278
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 15: because it's freezing and Tottnger, And every time I watch

1279
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 15: something on TV where it's not raining and cold, I

1280
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 15: miss that I need to go.

1281
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 3: It was a beautiful cricket ground. It feels like it's

1282
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 3: sort of like on some sort of an isthmus say,

1283
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 3: it's got beaches on either side. You think, jeez, are

1284
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 3: you go to the cricket and you go for a

1285
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 3: dip afterwards? All right, we'll come back to you guys

1286
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 3: in the TIC quarter.

1287
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Speaker 3: Right, we're back with the sports tittle orders. Do you

1290
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 3: know what they're cutting from the comms comm games yet?

1291
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 8: Well?

1292
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 24: I know actually, but I think it's more what they'll

1293
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 24: try and keep, isn't it. If you're going to keep

1294
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 24: any sports, that all had to be the pinnacle ones

1295
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 24: at that level For those particular sports, I'm thinking lawn bowls,

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Speaker 24: netball sevens where there's a high Commonwealth participation level, et cetera.

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Speaker 24: So in addition to the core ones, athletic swimming will

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Speaker 24: be there automatically and presumably cycling as well. So then

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Speaker 24: you have to make up your mind what you're going

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Speaker 24: to have for the other few to make up the ten.

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Speaker 3: Would you keep lawn bowls Leavina, Yeah, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 15: I'm actually I don't even think I want to keep

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Speaker 15: the Commonwealth Games.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 15: The last time Glasgow hosted it was in twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 15: Back then there were seventeen sports heather and it costs

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Speaker 15: one point two billion New Zealand dollars, right, so Glasgow

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Speaker 15: is still paying that off. The last Commonwealth Games there

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Speaker 15: were nineteen sports. It's down to ten, no athletes, a billion.

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Speaker 15: What does that look like? Are we're builiting the athletes.

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Speaker 15: There's no opening ceremony, there's no closing ceremony. It's almost

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Speaker 15: like a Clayton's Games. And it's a sign of the

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Speaker 15: times that we won't have the Commonwealth Games in the future,

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Speaker 15: I don't think. And this could possibly be the last

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Speaker 15: one and without the ceremonies, without the athletes, village and

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Speaker 15: sports not down to ten. I wouldn't be surprised if

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Speaker 15: Netbull went to be honest, it's not a blue riven

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Speaker 15: enough sport and I just think it'll lose interest. Even

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Speaker 15: though New Zealand did really well at the last Commonwealth Games.

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Speaker 15: I know we came fifth and won twenty gold medals.

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Speaker 15: But I really am absolutely relieved we're not hosting it

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Speaker 15: in christ Church because New Zealand can't afford it, and

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Speaker 15: I know Glasgow can't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, this is ultimately the thing, right, if you

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Speaker 3: take all the pizazz out of it, which is basically

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Speaker 3: what they're doing, they're doing it on the budget. It's

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Speaker 3: not going to generate the kind of excitement that it

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Speaker 3: has in the past, in which case the people of

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Speaker 3: the country or the city are not going to want

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Speaker 3: to host it, and so it's going to get really

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Speaker 3: hard to get by and for anybody to host twenty

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Speaker 3: thirty or twenty thirty four. Therefore it dies, right.

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Speaker 8: That's right.

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Speaker 24: I think you end up with resentment. I mean you

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Speaker 24: only have to look at say, I know Montreal and

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Speaker 24: the Olympics in seventy six when they had the what

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Speaker 24: they call the Big O, which was the stadium and

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Speaker 24: it was owe and I think that, yeah, it's very

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Speaker 24: much going to be like Levenu says Comwealth Games Light,

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Speaker 24: it's going to be almost like levels of austerity. And

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Speaker 24: really is it just kind of a I guess a

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Speaker 24: conjurit or just a needs must for to keep the

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Speaker 24: record alive.

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Speaker 3: You're too right, I think it will be Hey, Levina

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Speaker 3: is the swearing and if one that bad, well, the Big.

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Speaker 15: Boss has spoken Heather, and the FIA president has said

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Speaker 15: he doesn't like this swearing. He even puts something on

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Speaker 15: his personal Instagram page and he's putting all the responsibilities

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Speaker 15: on the drivers. He's even come out and said there

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Speaker 15: needs to be a differentiation between motorsport and rapping. So

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Speaker 15: he's obviously no Kendrick Lamar fan.

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Speaker 3: That's for sure.

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Speaker 15: I can actually understand on the back of that, while

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Speaker 15: Lewis Hamilton has taken offense to the rapper's analogies, saying

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Speaker 15: that it's quite stereotypical because most rappers are black and

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Speaker 15: it's the wrong choice of words and almost racist. And

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Speaker 15: then you've got Max for Steffan, who's the Red Bulls

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Speaker 15: triple World champion, saying if you don't like the swearing,

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Speaker 15: I love this, don't air Team radio and that would

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Speaker 15: never happen because it makes for gripping viewing. So the

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Speaker 15: drivers don't like having a smack on the hand and

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Speaker 15: ironically it's beat out anyway, and when you hear a beep,

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Speaker 15: you know that they're swearing. So at the moment the

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Speaker 15: presidents saying, you guys will get into trouble if they

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Speaker 15: really want to hit them hard.

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Speaker 3: I tell you what they could do is charge ten

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Speaker 3: grand to the.

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Speaker 15: Drivers every time there's a beep and donate that to charity.

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Speaker 3: But the problem, the problem here, orders is that you're

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Speaker 3: giving these guys something else to think about other than

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Speaker 3: driving the car, which is already hard enough. And you

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Speaker 3: want this to be all that thinking about.

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Speaker 24: Right, Yeah, I asking quite fairt with the idea of

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Speaker 24: an if one swear chart, it would be quite.

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Speaker 4: You know, flip and heit.

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Speaker 11: I'd go for that.

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Speaker 24: But yeah, I think it's these guys. They're putting their

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Speaker 24: lives on the line every time.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, you're going at three.

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Speaker 24: Hundred ks plus around these I mean, you're right, heither,

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Speaker 24: it's adding another complication. I mean, just you want the

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Speaker 24: raw reaction, don't you. I mean, yeah, exactly, Like Leavena says,

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Speaker 24: that's why we're going to the radio afterwards, because you're

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Speaker 24: getting that when these guys cross the line and get

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Speaker 24: the chicken flag. So I just think that, Yeah, it's

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Speaker 24: it's a little bit of overkill.

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Speaker 3: Really, Hey, guys, good stuff. I really appreciate it and

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Speaker 3: enjoy your weekend. Levina Good sports journalist and commentator Andrew Ordison,

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Speaker 3: News Talk Zibbie Sports reader. It doesn't make it a

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Speaker 3: bit awkward though, to have the young ones watching, because

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Speaker 3: next minute they turn up at kindy and they're talking

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Speaker 3: like Max Verstappen. You don't want that, do you? Eight

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Speaker 3: away from six.

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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

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Speaker 1: your car on your drive home. Heather duple c Allen

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Speaker 1: Drive with One New Zealand One Giant Leap for Business

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Speaker 1: US Talk Zibby.

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Speaker 3: Rachel's made a very good point on the text hither

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Speaker 3: if one and Lego have just done a deal in

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Speaker 3: order to introduce a younger audience, So no swearming because

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Speaker 3: they want more money, which is a fair point. Actually

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Speaker 3: they just announced it. I think it was like overnight

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Speaker 3: and there's no hue. It's still kind of devoid of details.

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Speaker 3: So we'll get detail like probably next year or closer

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Speaker 3: to closer to whenever the whole thing kicks in. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: as you can imagine, you know, if you're gonna be

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Speaker 3: putting out Max for Stappin's car in little Lego bits

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Speaker 3: for the six year old to make then the six

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Speaker 3: year old's gonna want to start watching it, and then

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Speaker 3: the six year old's going to hear him swearing, and

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Speaker 3: that's not really what you want. And then all of

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Speaker 3: a sudden, Ummy and Daddy you're like, well, you can't

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Speaker 3: be watching that, and that kind of is counterproductive. So

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Speaker 3: you probably bang on the money there. Rachel Chris Bishop

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Speaker 3: is going to be with us after six o'clock talk

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Speaker 3: us through the RMA review that's just been done, the

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Speaker 3: reform rather because it's two pieces of legislation coming to

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Speaker 3: replace the one piece. A little bit of a twist

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Speaker 3: in the Health New Zealand job titles drama. Now, I

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Speaker 3: don't know if you've been following this because it's really

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Speaker 3: of no consequence, but it is quite weird, and because

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Speaker 3: it's weird, it's kind of interesting. Do you remember back

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Speaker 3: in July when Shane Retti sacked the whole Health New

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Speaker 3: Zealand board and then appointed Lester Levy as the commissioner.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that he said at the time

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Speaker 3: was that Health New Zealand was so bloated that he'd

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Speaker 3: actually seen all these weird job titles that he couldn't

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Speaker 3: possibly like he couldn't explain what the hell was going on.

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Speaker 3: There was things like wayfinders and pathfinders and boundary spanners,

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Speaker 3: and as he said, lord knows what else. Well, what

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Speaker 3: then happened between July and this week is that a

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Speaker 3: media outlet did an Information Act request right official Information

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Speaker 3: Act requests to Health New Zealand, asking can you provide

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Speaker 3: evidence of these jobs? And Health New Zealand came back

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Speaker 3: and said, look, yep, there are four wayfinders, but we've

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Speaker 3: since renamed them. There's no such thing as pathfinders. There's

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Speaker 3: no such thing as boundary spanners. And then this week

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Speaker 3: they said there had never been such job titles, which

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Speaker 3: made Shane that he see look like a tit didn't

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Speaker 3: it at worst a liar. So now people are like, ah,

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Speaker 3: this is just making stuff up, are you Health Minister.

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Speaker 3: Well then he digs up a document from Health New

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Speaker 3: Zealand showing these jobs actually did exist. It's the Unify

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Speaker 3: to Simplify Consultation document from late twenty twenty two. It

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Speaker 3: was right at the very start when they was combining

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Speaker 3: all of the country's DHBs into one big thing, and

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Speaker 3: these were proposed reports lines with then Health New Zealand

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Speaker 3: and these jobs did exist. The question now is when

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Speaker 3: Health New Zealand was if we know that this document exists,

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Speaker 3: When Health New Zealand was asked for this document, why

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Speaker 3: didn't they find it? Did they want them to look

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Speaker 3: like a tit? Are they screwing with him like they

1453
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Speaker 3: did with the Hawks, bay ghb GP thing and the

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Speaker 3: ethnicity thing. Are they screwing with him like the time

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Speaker 3: that somebody proposed that they were going to fire five hundred,

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Speaker 3: five hundred different doctors and fifteen hundred nurses. He doesn't

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Speaker 3: want to say. He sort of had it suggested to him.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't really want. I feel like he doesn't want

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Speaker 3: to say that they're screwing with him because nobody wants

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Speaker 3: to admit that your entire department hates you. But it

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Speaker 3: feels like that, doesn't it anyway. Listen, you've got to

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Speaker 3: hear these job titles, though, so I'm going to run

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Speaker 3: you through them shortly. Stand by.

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Speaker 2: He still said, what's down? What were the major calls?

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Speaker 2: And how will it affect the economy?

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Speaker 1: Business questions on the Business Hour with the duplicy Elan

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Speaker 1: and my Aga on us talks V.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up for the next hour. China's just

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Speaker 3: raised the pension age. Obviously not everyone loves it, so

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Speaker 3: Peter Lewis will talk us through that. After the half hour,

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Speaker 3: Barry Soaple will rap the political week that was and

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Speaker 3: Gavin Gray out of the UK on the Muhammad al

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Speaker 3: Fayed issue that just keeps on growing and has now

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Speaker 3: become political at seven past six now, the government says

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Speaker 3: that the enjoyment of property rights will be the guiding

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Speaker 3: principle when the RAMA finally gets replaced. Cabinet has agreed

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Speaker 3: that the new rules should only restrict activity that has

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Speaker 3: material effects on other properties or on the wider natural environment.

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Speaker 3: RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop is with us now, hey

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Speaker 3: bish good, So does that mean short of affecting other

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Speaker 3: properties and short of affecting the environment, you can.

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Speaker 21: Go for it. That is the basic principle behind the

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Speaker 21: new legislation that will be developing over the next few

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Speaker 21: months and get it into the House next year and

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Speaker 21: get it into law by the time of the next

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Speaker 21: of the RMA. And I think it's why it's widely

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Speaker 21: understood now, but I think most people have looked at

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Speaker 21: it that it's broken. It has helped produce one of

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Speaker 21: the most extensive housing markets in the developed world. We've

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Speaker 21: got an infrastructure deficit, takes too long, cost too much

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Speaker 21: to get consent to do things in this country, and

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Speaker 21: so replacing the RMA with a new regime as a

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Speaker 21: key government priority, we're getting on with it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So how does it actually make building a house cheaper?

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Speaker 21: It will make building a house cheaper because it will

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Speaker 21: reduce the need for resource consents to do things, and

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Speaker 21: it will mean that as long as you comply with

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Speaker 21: the clear standards, you won't need a resource consent and

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Speaker 21: everyone will know where they stand, and it will reduce

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Speaker 21: the complexity and the time it takes to get a

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Speaker 21: consent from a council. So we're going to reduce down

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Speaker 21: the number of plans. For example, So at the moment

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Speaker 21: you know you've got hundreds of plans across different councils.

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Speaker 21: Regional councils, city councils, district councils will be providing for

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Speaker 21: one regulatory plan per region, which will be puttly prepared

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Speaker 21: by the regional and district council. That will significantly improve

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Speaker 21: efficiency of the way the system works and alongside national standards,

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Speaker 21: it will make it clear exactly what you need to

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Speaker 21: do in order to get on with enjoying your property

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01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 21: and building things on your property.

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Speaker 3: You guys are doing a very similar thing to what

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01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 3: Labor had tried to do previously with the RMAIN, which

1513
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 3: is to split it into the two bills. How is

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Speaker 3: yours actually different from labors?

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Speaker 21: Ours is different because it takes what works in the

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Speaker 21: current RMA, which is things like national standards and National

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01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 21: environmental standards, and brings them across into the new regime.

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Speaker 21: Not everything in the RMA is broken. There are some

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01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:40,759
Speaker 21: things that work quite well, so we're bringing those across

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Speaker 21: into the new system. But what it doesn't do is

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01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 21: introduce all of the bureaucracy that Labour's proposal did.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 21: For example, they wanted to have one plan per region

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01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 21: as well. That's good, we agree with that, but they

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Speaker 21: also want it on top of the existing city and

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01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 21: district councils a thing called a regional Planning Committee. There

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01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 21: were going to be sixteen new bureaucratic regional planning committees

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Speaker 21: that would sit above regional and district councils. We've done

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Speaker 21: away with that. We don't think there's a need for that.

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Speaker 21: They also were going to introduce all sorts of legal

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01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 21: complexity by making a thing called upholding a tailoring or

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Speaker 21: to tail which is a Maori phrase which essentially means

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01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 21: the environment or protecting the environment, but it was essentially

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01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 21: undefined in their legislation. It would have led to enormous

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01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 21: legal wrangling, probably fifteen years of litigation with everyone trying

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01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 21: to work out exactly what it meant, would have ends

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01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 21: up coming up in the Supreme Court, would have cost

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01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 21: tens of millions of polls to work it out. So

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01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 21: we haven't done any of that stuff. So we're keeping

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01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 21: some of the legal terminology in the existing RMA. We're

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01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 21: keeping some of the things that work well. We're transplanting

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01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 21: that into the new system, but we're reducing down what

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01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 21: resource consenting actually has to do. We're narrowing the scope

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01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 21: of it, and we are strengthening clarifying the role of

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01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 21: environmental limits as well. So it's not completely throwing the

1546
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 21: baby out with the bath water, but it's getting back

1547
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 21: to what resource management should be is fundamentally about development

1548
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 21: within environmental limits.

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Speaker 3: Have you written it yet?

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Speaker 21: We've appointed an expert advisory groupets CAPENETS agreed on the

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Speaker 21: ten principles that we announced today, which is exactly how

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01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 21: the system will work. We've appointed seven experts to help

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01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 21: us over the next few months. They aim as to

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Speaker 21: have a detailed blueprint agreed by ministers by the end

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Speaker 21: of the year. We'll then write it in the first

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Speaker 21: six months of next year, and then we'll get it

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Speaker 21: into the House midway through next year and head it

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Speaker 21: into law by bidway through twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 4: That's pretty good.

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Speaker 3: I mean, didn't it take David Parker pretty much all

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Speaker 3: of two terms to do.

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Speaker 21: His one Well, the mistake they made was they kicked

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Speaker 21: it out to a judge lead panel Tony Randerson, and

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Speaker 21: a couple of experts. He Sue Rachel Brooking, who's now

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01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 21: the Labor Environment spokes Busin was one of the panel estates.

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Speaker 21: In about two years studying it, they produced this ginormous

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Speaker 21: Doorstop report, which they then spent a while studying. Then

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01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 21: they spent ages drafting it, and then lead it up

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Speaker 21: with a seven hundred page piece of legislation which is

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Speaker 21: the exact same size as the current RMA. That took

1571
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 21: five years, so we're really clear about what we're trying

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Speaker 21: to accomplish. We've agreed it to Captain's agreed on the

1573
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 21: key principles. We've appointed these experts to fish it out

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01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 21: and then we're just going to get on with it.

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Speaker 21: And you know, I think that's what the public want.

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Speaker 3: Besh, Thank you man, really appreciate you turning up today

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01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 3: to talk to us. Have a nice weekend. That is

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01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 3: Chris Bishop, the RMA Reform Minister. Right twelve Plast six.

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Speaker 3: So this is the job. These are the jobs that

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01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 3: were in the Health New Zealand document that Health New

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01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 3: Zealand trying to pretend didn't exist, because of course they would.

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01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 3: Apparently they had these things called locality wayfinders. Those are

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01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 3: jobs locality wayfinders. And if you're like, well what's the

1584
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:42,560
Speaker 3: locality wayfinder, well don't worry because there is an explanation

1585
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 3: for what they do. They are problem solvers, barrier removalists

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01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 3: and finders of the way through. According to the document, Anna,

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Speaker 3: I have no bloody idea. I don't know problem solvers.

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01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 3: I don't know what they are. I don't know. They

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01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 3: just seem like one of those people who just has

1590
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:02,839
Speaker 3: no real task, like so many people at Health New Zealand.

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01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:07,839
Speaker 3: The Clinical Engagement leads also need to be expert pathway

1592
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 3: designers and boundary spanners with hospital and specialist services. Yeah,

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01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:16,640
Speaker 3: and they also have an implementation team. And within the

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01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 3: implementation team, I think I think we know what an

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01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 3: implementation team is. It's people who are hired to do

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01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 3: something because the rest of us obviously aren't. And people

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01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:30,919
Speaker 3: who are employed there have job titles like storytelling, data wrangling,

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01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 3: and story collectors. And I don't know what kind of

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01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 3: stories start telling and what story collectors do. I have

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Speaker 3: no idea, but I feel like when they're finished working

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01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:42,640
Speaker 3: for Health New Zealand, they can probably go work at

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01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 3: the Kindy because they love storytelling there also, and a

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01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 3: data wrangler feels like something that has kind of come

1604
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 3: in from the paddock, do you know what I mean?

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01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 3: It's like he's just finished doing the cows and now

1606
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:55,640
Speaker 3: he's going to come do the data. Whatever happened to

1607
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 3: just keeping I mean, whatever happened to just giving people

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01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 3: stock standard boring old corporate time. I know what you are.

1609
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:04,600
Speaker 3: You're a chief executive officer, cool, chief financial officer, got it,

1610
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 3: know what that is? Accounts manager, kol done, marketing manager,

1611
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 3: got you know what I mean? Like why Do you

1612
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 3: know what if you want to know why they're not

1613
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 3: getting around to operating on your knee, it's because they're

1614
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 3: still trying to come up with really funky titles for

1615
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 3: whoever is going to be your knee operator. For Jesus

1616
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 3: where I don't know, fourteen past six.

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Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results, it's Heather Duplicy

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Speaker 1: Ellen with the business hours thanks to my HR, the

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Speaker 1: HR platform for SME on newstalksb.

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Speaker 3: Heather, I've worked with them. The job of those titles

1621
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 3: is literally just to keep voting labor, is it. I

1622
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 3: don't even see how that works anyway. Right now, it's

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Speaker 3: seventeen pass six. Barry Soper Ourse in Your Political Correspondent

1624
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Speaker 3: is wrapping the political week that was Barry. Welcome back,

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01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:49,679
Speaker 3: Thank you, Heather.

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Speaker 8: Nice to be here again.

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Speaker 3: Do you think David Farrah deserves the grief that he's

1628
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 3: getting with his pole being labeled junk pole?

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Speaker 8: Well, because it was much more positive for the center

1630
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 8: right than what the tall bills hoole. Yeah. No, Look

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01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 8: I looked at both poles and I thought it's ridiculous.

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01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 8: One is a rogue the other, and from reading poles

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01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 8: over the years, I would put the Curier taxpayer's pole

1634
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 8: more accurately than i'd place the Talbot pole. Frankly, and

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01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 8: the Courier poll it sees a bit of a hammering

1636
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 8: for Chris Hopkins. I mean, he's down six point one

1637
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:35,679
Speaker 8: percent to twelve percent is preferred Prime minister. Christopher Luxon's

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01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:38,799
Speaker 8: also down at almost two percent to thirty two percent.

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01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 8: That's not really high for a prime minister. It had

1640
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 8: stage in the cycle. But nevertheless, Chris Hipkins, he's lost

1641
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 8: an election. He's in the UK at the moment, he's

1642
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 8: at the Labor Party conference in Liverpool, and some would say, listen,

1643
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 8: maybe you're leaving the country at the wrong time, because

1644
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 8: I'm sure there are tongues wagging in the Labor Party

1645
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:02,799
Speaker 8: at moment. But I would think if they were wise,

1646
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 8: they would say, leave Chris Hopkins in the role that

1647
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 8: he's got at the moment leader of the opposition. Let

1648
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 8: him go and stand up against Chris Luxen at the

1649
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 8: next election, let him lose because a one term government

1650
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:19,600
Speaker 8: is so rare in this country, and then take the

1651
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:21,640
Speaker 8: fall after the election. That's what I would do.

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01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 3: Even if you were really, really ambitious, you'd be stupid

1653
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 3: to do it now, wouldn't it?

1654
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 8: Well, there have been plenty that have done it in

1655
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 8: the past, Heather, And you know, you go back to

1656
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 8: Mike Moore eight weeks out from an election. Then you

1657
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 8: go to Jaina do it eight weeks out from an election,

1658
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 8: became the Prime minister, but only because she was appointed

1659
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:41,680
Speaker 8: to the job and never won the election. So you

1660
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 8: know there are risks. They're basically roundabouts in the poll

1661
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 8: and where you stand in the pole going into an election.

1662
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Speaker 3: But even if you were really ambitious, you'd be stupid

1663
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 3: to do it now, wouldn't it.

1664
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 8: I would say, absolutely silly to do it now? Yeah?

1665
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 3: Pretty good week I think for the government on crime right,

1666
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 3: they managed if the gang laws the gang patch band through.

1667
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 3: They managed to have the Labor Party saluting gang members

1668
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 3: who have admitted committing pack rape. And they also managed

1669
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 3: to get the court sentencing rules into parliament.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think you know. On the gang patches, the

1671
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 8: two big I guess arguing points for the opposition parties

1672
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 8: was the being able to raid houses after you've displayed

1673
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:25,719
Speaker 8: your patch in public for three times within five years,

1674
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 8: and the other was going around in cars displaying your

1675
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 8: patches to the public. Through the car windows. Now you know,

1676
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:35,720
Speaker 8: apparently the cops. We're told the cops asked for this

1677
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 8: because if they were going to enact this law on

1678
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 8: gang insignia, then they had have these two elements to it. Well,

1679
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 8: then you had the Labor Party talking about abuses of

1680
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 8: human rights. These people, to me don't deserve human rights.

1681
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,719
Speaker 8: When you see the common chero's being raided and over

1682
01:17:55,800 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 8: two hundred kilograms of methamphetamin being lifted from them, you

1683
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:06,799
Speaker 8: imagine the damage that that would have done in New Zealand.

1684
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 8: It'll be replaced anyway, But anybody that takes meth is

1685
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 8: you know, needs certifying because it's such a terrible drug.

1686
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 8: But you know, I think the opposition parties have made

1687
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 8: themselves look stupid in the way they've opposed this move

1688
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 8: against the gangs, because if they read public opinion, if

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01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 8: they read it right, they would know that the majority

1690
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 8: of the public are well and truly opposed to these

1691
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 8: people being in our society.

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01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:35,679
Speaker 3: Hey, earlier this week you were talking about that chap

1693
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 3: from down South with the Maori Party who basically told

1694
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 3: a porky in Parliament what's happened to him?

1695
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 8: Well, exactly the Takatu Ferres. He won the South Island

1696
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 8: electorate Tea Titonga from the Turacartaney Party turricartany family who

1697
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 8: have held it for seventy one of the ninety two

1698
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 8: years the last and you know, so he is unexpected

1699
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 8: to be in Parliament, and having listened to him the

1700
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:05,479
Speaker 8: other day, I think it's a pity he ever made

1701
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 8: it into Parliament because what he did was he read

1702
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 8: his speech, which you're not meant to do in parliament.

1703
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:14,759
Speaker 8: But clearly he hasn't got the INATEI intelligence to speak

1704
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 8: off the cuff, and in reading it he talked about

1705
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 8: politicians and how they're good at telling lies and said

1706
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 8: that's exactly what we've got in the House today, or

1707
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 8: words to that effect. Then he was pulled up by

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01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 8: our old mate Winston Peters, who said you can't say

1709
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 8: that in parliament, and indeed you can't. The laws say,

1710
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 8: the rules I should say of Parliament say that you're

1711
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 8: not allowed to call an MP a liar. He just

1712
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 8: did it, then stood up and said no, I didn't

1713
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:44,839
Speaker 8: do it. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

1714
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 3: I mean he kind of proved the point that MP's

1715
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 3: are liars.

1716
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 8: Ah well, he certainly proved it in his case. But

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01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 8: what happened ordinarily you would find there would be some

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Speaker 8: sort of censure against somebody that tells or misleads the

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Speaker 8: House and us waiting for it yesterday was on Wednesday.

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Speaker 8: I was waiting for it yesterday nothing. And I think

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Speaker 8: Winston Peters has been a big critic of the way

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Speaker 8: Parliament's going at the moment, and that's a classic example

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Speaker 8: loose of standards being dropped.

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Speaker 3: It is a bit loose. Barry, thank you very much,

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Speaker 3: appreciate it.

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Speaker 8: Nice talking to you.

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Speaker 4: Hither.

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Speaker 3: Barry Soper, Senior political corresponding right. Peter Lewis is going

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01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 3: to be with us shortly because not only has China,

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01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:24,719
Speaker 3: it's not the only interesting thing the fact that China's

1731
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 3: raised the pension agers or something we've been talking about.

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01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 3: But another thing that we've been talking about is what

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01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 3: should happen with our Reserve Bank and how hard should

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01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 3: they go when they next meet in October. The Hong

1735
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 3: Kong Monetary Authority just cut interest rates by fifty basis points,

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01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 3: So the feed's gone fifty. Hong Kong's gone fifty. We

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01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 3: got to go fifty, don't we?

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Speaker 16: Six twenty three everything from SMEs sort of big corporates,

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Speaker 16: The Business Hour with Heather duper c Als and my

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Speaker 16: HR the HR solution for busy SMEs on news talksb interesting.

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Speaker 3: There seems to be increasing kind of clarity about what

1742
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 3: happened with those pages in Lebanon that exploded the other day.

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01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 3: A New York Times report reckons they've got some intelligence briefing,

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01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 3: so obviously be like Allies or something, briefing and explaining

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01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 3: what's happened here. Apparently the exploding pages were manufactured by

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01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 3: an Israeli front company, and these guys even went to

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01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 3: the trouble of making normal pages and then shipping those

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01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 3: normal pages to other clients just so that they could

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01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 3: get the dodgy pages through to Hezbola. And apparently on

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01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:32,640
Speaker 3: the day that they exploded, the pages bleaped with a

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01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 3: fake message from a Hezboula commander, and then they went silent,

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01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 3: and then they exploded. But that gap between the message

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01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 3: coming in and them exploding was just enough time for

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01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 3: the person with the pager to I don't know, take

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01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 3: it out of the bag or clip it from the

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01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 3: bouts or whatever, lifted up to the face to read

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01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 3: and then bang and ninety percent of the injuries that

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01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 3: they're treating in the medical care in Lebanon is double

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01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:58,640
Speaker 3: injuries to the eyes and fingertips. So it seemed to

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01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 3: have worked exactly the way that they intend for it

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01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 3: to work. And it's not the first time. I mean, like,

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01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:05,600
Speaker 3: it sounds pretty kooky and way out there, and I

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01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 3: guess given how what's incredible about it is how fast

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01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:10,760
Speaker 3: they had to be able to make this happen, right

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01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 3: from February is when they started using the pages to now.

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01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 3: But it's not the first time that intelligence agencies have

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01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 3: managed to do something like this. Back in the days

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01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 3: of the Cold War, CIA and West German intelligence agencies

1769
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 3: took over a business called Crypto. It was doing forty

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01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,639
Speaker 3: percent of the World's embassy's diplomatic communications, so they knew

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Speaker 3: everything that was going on. Peter Lewis is going to

1772
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 3: be with us very shortly. New stalks had been.

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Speaker 2: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather duper Clan and my Hr

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Speaker 1: the HR solution for busy SMS on Newstalk zb.

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Speaker 3: Ever still screened that case. But damn Dred is with

1777
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 3: us out of the UK shortly this was thisess with

1778
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:07,480
Speaker 3: Muhammed al Fayed is getting a little political because Kirstarma

1779
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:10,720
Speaker 3: is now being criticized for not having prosecuted Muhammad al

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01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 3: Fayed when he was a Crown prosecutor himself. We'll get

1781
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 3: the latest with Gavin when he's with us here the

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01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 3: why can't the Speaker of the House just order Darlene

1783
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 3: Tunna's resignation given she's no longer a member of the Greens, Well, Chrissy,

1784
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 3: the answer is because in order for Brownlee to kick

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01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 3: her out of parliament, the Greens have to write to

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01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 3: him and say that they want her kicked out of parliament.

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Speaker 3: But in order for the Greens to do that, because

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01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 3: they're all about democracy, they have to have their meeting

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01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 3: and get their party to agree that that's what they

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01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 3: want to do. And they haven't had that meeting. And

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure they're going to have that meeting, because

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Speaker 3: they're only going to have that meeting if they're absolutely

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01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 3: sure they're going to get seventy five percent, which is

1794
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 3: the number they need of their people, their delegates to

1795
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 3: agree to it. And that's a high number. And I

1796
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 3: just wonder whether the Greens are maybe a little split

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01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 3: on where the darre should be kicked out. You follow

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So Brownie can't do anything until the

1799
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 3: Greens do something, and the Greens aren't going to do

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Speaker 3: anything until they have that meeting, and they're not going

1801
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 3: to have that meeting under this shore they've got the numbers,

1802
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 3: and I don't know that they've got the numbers. So

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01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:13,639
Speaker 3: we might be stuck with Darling in the house asking

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01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 3: half questions for another what two years twenty three away

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01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 3: from seven either for the Lewis Asia Business correspondents with

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Speaker 3: us Hey, Peter, Hello Eva, Okay, do we know whether

1807
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 3: this Japanese company was involved with the walkie talkies or not?

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01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,679
Speaker 26: Well, we don't know for sure. In fact, there's two companies.

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01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 26: There's a Japanese company and also a Taiwanese company in

1810
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 26: the same position. What they're basically saying is that they

1811
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:44,440
Speaker 26: didn't actually make these walkie talkies. So Icon, the Japanese

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01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 26: radio equipment maker which makes these two way radio devices

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01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 26: which exploded in Lebanon this week, and then also a

1814
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 26: very obscure Taiwanese company called gold Apollo, which made the

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01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 26: pages or supposedly made the pages that exploded in Leven

1816
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 26: and both companies say that they didn't actually make them.

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01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 26: What they did was they licensed their trademark out to

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Speaker 26: another company. In the case of gold Apollo, they said

1819
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 26: it was to a company in Hungary called BAC Consulting. Well,

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01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 26: no one has heard of this company either, and there

1821
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 26: are investigations going on in Taiwan to try and find

1822
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Speaker 26: out exactly what's been going on. It's not inconceivable that

1823
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 26: this is true because the way a lot of Taiwanese

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01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:36,200
Speaker 26: manufacturing works is it's a sort of a complex maze

1825
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:39,719
Speaker 26: of small companies, and many of them don't actually make

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Speaker 26: the products they sell. They may own the brand name,

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01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 26: the intellectual property, and have research and design departments, but

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01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 26: most of the actual manufacturing is farmed out to factories

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Speaker 26: in China or Southeast Asia. So this is one of

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Speaker 26: the things prosecutors in Japan and Taiwan are looking at.

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01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:02,440
Speaker 26: But the question this all raises is just how secure

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01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 26: our global supply chains. If someone can intervene in the

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01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 26: supply chain process plant explosives in these devices, and we

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01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 26: don't know when or how exactly that happens, it does

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01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:18,720
Speaker 26: raise a whole load of questions about the security of

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Speaker 26: supply chains that we've rather taken for granted.

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Speaker 3: It really doesn't. Also, it also makes you wonder, how, like,

1838
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,559
Speaker 3: what information did the Israelis have as far back as

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01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 3: three years ago, because if they are if BAC Consulting

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01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 3: is just a front and they started taking over the

1841
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:37,120
Speaker 3: Pages business three years ago, that suggests that the Israelis

1842
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 3: knew three years ago that these guys are going to

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Speaker 3: switch to Pages.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 26: I mean, this is a very unusual way of sort

1846
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:49,880
Speaker 26: of prosecuting your campaign and your war against adversaries. It's

1847
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 26: never really happened like this before at all, So you're right.

1848
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:56,720
Speaker 26: I mean, what did they know two or three years

1849
01:26:56,760 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 26: ago that made them go and take these steps? And

1850
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 26: it begs the question what else have they done that

1851
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 26: we don't know about? Ye two?

1852
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Speaker 3: But Peter, listen, in terms of these two companies, Icon

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01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 3: and the Taiwanese Pager Company, what does this do to

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01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 3: their reputation? I mean, they can say, look, we had

1855
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 3: absolutely nothing to do with this, But I don't know

1856
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 3: how much that's going to reassure people. What do you

1857
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 3: think it doesn't?

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Speaker 26: And that you can tell by the desperate lengths that

1859
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:25,600
Speaker 26: the chairman of these two companies are going to to

1860
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 26: try and deny any involvements in its gold. Apollos founder

1861
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 26: flatly denies having anything to do with the attacks, even

1862
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:40,559
Speaker 26: though the markings on the remnants of the exploded pages

1863
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 26: do actually identify the company, but he says it's just

1864
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 26: licensed his trademark out. So they are pleading innocents here

1865
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 26: because obviously it is very damaging to their business and

1866
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 26: to many other companies businesses who do similar types of

1867
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 26: things as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to be hard for them to get

1869
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 3: through this one, I'd imagine. Now, why is the monetary

1870
01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 3: authority in Hong Kong, what's the justification for cutting the

1871
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 3: cash rate by fifty basis points.

1872
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 26: Well, the Hong Kong dollar is linked to the peg

1873
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 26: to the US dollar. It has been since the beginning

1874
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:18,160
Speaker 26: of the nineteen eighties, so we basically import the Fed's

1875
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 26: monetary policy in Hong Kong were dollarized economy. Whatever the

1876
01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:25,680
Speaker 26: FED does, the Hong Kong Monetary Authority has to go

1877
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 26: and mirror that.

1878
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 5: Now.

1879
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Speaker 26: In fact, in recent years this has not been very

1880
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 26: good for Hong Kong because the last thing the Hong

1881
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:36,680
Speaker 26: Kong economy needs, which is really struggling, particularly in the

1882
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 26: wake of China is high interest rates. It needs to

1883
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 26: have interest rates much lower compared to the US, where

1884
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 26: the economy is doing pretty well. Even though it's slowing,

1885
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 26: it's still looking like it's going to have a soft

1886
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:53,720
Speaker 26: landing and avoid a recession. The Hong Kong economy is

1887
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 26: really struggling in all sorts of ways. Consumer spending is

1888
01:28:57,160 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 26: very poor. The leisure and hospitality buszinesses are struggling very

1889
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:05,839
Speaker 26: badly because tourists aren't coming to Hong Kong and local

1890
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 26: people prefer now to go over the border to Shenzen,

1891
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 26: where it's very easy to travel. There's direct trains that

1892
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 26: take just half an hour, and you can stay in

1893
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 26: a hotel in Shenzen for a quarter of the price

1894
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:20,639
Speaker 26: you would pay in Hong Kong. So it's not encouraging

1895
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 26: people to either come here, and it is encouraging locals

1896
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 26: to go to mainland China and spend their money. So

1897
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 26: this is really something that the Hong Kong economy needs.

1898
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:32,639
Speaker 26: It needs lower interest rates at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Brilliant stuff, Peter, It's always good to talk to you mate.

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Speaker 3: Look after yourself. We'll chat to you gain in a week.

1901
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Speaker 3: That's Peter Lewis our Asia Business correspondent out of Hong Kong. Now,

1902
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 3: China's raising its retirement agents, doing it for the first

1903
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 3: time in almost fifty years, so it'shashire fifty years was

1904
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 3: seventy eight was the last time they did it. The

1905
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 3: statutory retirement age for women who work in factories will

1906
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 3: go from fifty a how good retired at fifty to

1907
01:29:56,280 --> 01:30:00,760
Speaker 3: fifty five. Women who work in white collegejob fifty five

1908
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 3: to fifty eight. Men who I think it's just been

1909
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 3: across the board will see an increase from retirement age

1910
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:09,679
Speaker 3: of sixty right now to sixty three. Now, you can't

1911
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:12,439
Speaker 3: retire before the retirement age. You have to keep working

1912
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 3: until that date, which is a bit hard out, isn't it.

1913
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 3: I mean, what if you're really rich and you're like,

1914
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 3: I don't want to work anymore, nut you've got to

1915
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 3: keep going. And also, people can delay their retirement by

1916
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 3: no more than three years, So you might be fifty

1917
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:27,000
Speaker 3: five years old getting to fifty eight, and you might

1918
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 3: still be working your factory, happy as a clam, wanting

1919
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:32,080
Speaker 3: to continue. You can't. That's it. They decide what you

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Speaker 3: do with your life seventeen away from seven.

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Speaker 2: Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather duplicy Ellen with the Business Hour thanks to

1923
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 1: my HR, the HR solution for busy smmys on news

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Speaker 1: Talks FBI.

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Speaker 3: Heather Chrissy is gobsmack. Darlene will be grinning like a

1926
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:50,800
Speaker 3: rat with a chunk of cheese. Well absolutely, and the

1927
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:52,639
Speaker 3: chunk of cheese will be the cash as she's getting

1928
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Speaker 3: for sitting there doing the mahe on the coastal stuff.

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Speaker 3: Fourteen away from seven Gavin Gray, a UK correspondents with

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Speaker 3: us Hey Kevin, Hi there Haavah. So this Mohammed al

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Speaker 3: Fayed scandal's gone political now, hasn't it?

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Speaker 27: Yeah, it sure has so. Documentary last night suggesting that

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Speaker 27: Muhammad alp who ran Harrod's for a number of years

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Speaker 27: and owned it, is being accused of raping and sexually

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Speaker 27: assaulting a number of his staff. This has only just

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Speaker 27: come to light and it has spawned this documentary. A

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Speaker 27: number of other people now coming forward who used to

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Speaker 27: work at Harris who say they too were attacked by him. Now,

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Speaker 27: Muhammad Afai had died last year at the age of

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Speaker 27: ninety four. The allegations are that he raped and sexually

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Speaker 27: assaulted some staff. He of course, is pretty well known

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Speaker 27: in his own right here in the UK, but perhaps

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Speaker 27: internationally better known because his son was Dodie Alphayed, who

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Speaker 27: was killed at the car crash alongside Diana, Princess of

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Speaker 27: Wales back in nineteen ninety seven. Now the implications are

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Speaker 27: more widespread because securestam Our Prime Minister was at the

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Speaker 27: time of some of what was going on, allegedly was

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Speaker 27: the chief prosecutor. And in two thousand and eight al

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Speaker 27: Fayed was interviewed under caution when a fifteen year old

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Speaker 27: girl a claimed that she had been sexually assaulted at

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Speaker 27: the store by him. Now, you're not supposed to start

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Speaker 27: work at this country until you or sixteen, but she

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Speaker 27: says that she met him once and he basically made

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Speaker 27: it possible for her to start work, but not to

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Speaker 27: tell anyone how old she was. Anyway, we're hearing from

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Speaker 27: Downing Street that Sekist Armer had nothing to do with

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Speaker 27: the decision not to go ahead with any type of prosecution.

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Speaker 27: It simply didn't cross his desk, and Downing Street says

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Speaker 27: he had no involvement in that decision. Of course, Sirkis

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Speaker 27: Starmer's offices also failed to prosecute Sir Jimmy Savort, and

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Speaker 27: plenty of saying this looks very bad on our prime minister.

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Speaker 3: So he's not having an easy time, maybe because he's

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Speaker 3: got quite quite refined taste, doesn't he he does.

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Speaker 27: Indeed, perhaps he should shot at Harold's, which incidentally is

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Speaker 27: saying that it has been docked and utterly appalled by

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Speaker 27: these victims, and says it now has processes in place.

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Speaker 27: But yes, Sakis Starmer has been getting shall I say,

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Speaker 27: rather handy with the freebies, in other words, things being

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Speaker 27: given free. So some of the things he's been given

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Speaker 27: are roughly forty two thousand pounds for accommodation. This is

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Speaker 27: in the last year, thirty four thousand dollars in clothes,

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Speaker 27: multiple pairs of glasses worth over five thousand dollars, and

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Speaker 27: also Taylor Swift concert tickets worth around eight thousand New

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Speaker 27: Zealand dollars in total one hundred and thirty five thousand

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Speaker 27: New Zealand dollars over the last year. But the biggest

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Speaker 27: thing seems to be his love of Arsenal Football Club. Now,

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Speaker 27: to be fair to him, he does have a season ticket.

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Speaker 27: In other words, he is a member and used to

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Speaker 27: attend regularly with his son. However, he says he can

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Speaker 27: no longer sit in the stands. He's been warned is

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Speaker 27: not secure. So he's had to take corporate response, a

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Speaker 27: corporate entertainment as it were. But that is very, very expensive,

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Speaker 27: and it's said just over twenty six thousand New Zealand

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Speaker 27: dollars worth of tickets so far, and plenty of people

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Speaker 27: saying they don't buy this line about needing to be

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Speaker 27: more secure and not sit in the stamp, not at all.

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Speaker 3: And it's a terrible look for a Labor Party leader

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Speaker 3: in particular. Eight Listen on something and completely different. Why

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Speaker 3: are people making voluntary donations to the text men?

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Speaker 27: Well, I quite like this idea. I'm not saying I'm

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Speaker 27: going to do it, Heather, I haven't got the money maybe,

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Speaker 27: but you know it is quite nice. So over the

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Speaker 27: past two decades, one hundred and fifty three donations have

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Speaker 27: been made to the government. In other words, people who

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Speaker 27: in their will specify money of theirs going to the

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Speaker 27: Chancellor of the Exchequer. It's boasted the national accounts by

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Speaker 27: more than ten million New Zealand dollars since two thousand

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Speaker 27: and three. That's equivalent to point zero zero zero zero

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Speaker 27: four percent of total government spending this year. Of course,

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Speaker 27: it's a small amount in that respect, but it is

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Speaker 27: quite a sizable amount. And already this year eighteen people

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Speaker 27: have handed over about one zero point four million New

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Speaker 27: Zealand dollars without the taxman even asking for it. So

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Speaker 27: if you're wondering who to help out, go on give

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Speaker 27: it to the government, because they know how to spend,

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Speaker 27: don't they.

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Speaker 3: Just Hey, thank you so much, Gavin, the GUFT your stuff,

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Speaker 3: enjoy your weekend. That's Gavin Gray, are UK correspondent. Now,

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Speaker 3: apparently we are doing very well with ice cream exports

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Speaker 3: for some reasons. For some reason, the Chinese in particular,

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01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:26,479
Speaker 3: but also the Aussies love our ice cream and they're

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Speaker 3: going hard at the moment. Last year we exported fifty

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Speaker 3: seven million US dollars worth and that was twice what

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Speaker 3: it was in twenty seventeen. Now, in terms of exports,

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Speaker 3: that's not massive, right. But the guy who owns much

2016
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Speaker 3: more ice cream I think his name is Marcus Moore.

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Speaker 3: He reckons the industry could easily grow fivefold in the

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Speaker 3: coming years and one day may even as be as

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Speaker 3: big as wine experts, which I think a couple of

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Speaker 3: years ago were worth way more than two billion dollars.

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Speaker 3: So you can see I mean he thinks, I mean,

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Speaker 3: he would say that right because that's his business. But

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Speaker 3: he sees that there is heaps of growth potential there.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty hard. Heap, by the way, is the fifth

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01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:05,679
Speaker 3: largest online ice cream supplier in China, which is quite

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Speaker 3: a thing. I mean, fifth largest online supplier anyway, and

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Speaker 3: that was that got a population of like one point

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Speaker 3: four billion or something. Okay, anyway, hard to do though,

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Speaker 3: hard business to get into because you can't get their

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Speaker 3: ice cream melt at all, like at all, otherwise you

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01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 3: can't sell it. So what you have to do is

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01:36:21,240 --> 01:36:23,920
Speaker 3: that these guys are much more. They loaded into they

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Speaker 3: load about twenty thousand two liter tubs into a forty

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Speaker 3: foot container. They freeze it at minus twenty five. They

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Speaker 3: send it off to wear whichever port that's going to

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01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 3: go to, let's say Shanghai, and then they put onto

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01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:37,360
Speaker 3: palettes once they get there, and they sent to various

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Speaker 3: distribution centers and they sit at the distribution centers waiting

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01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:42,720
Speaker 3: for the online retailers to sell it to someone. When

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Speaker 3: somebody buys it then it's sent on dry ice to

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Speaker 3: the front door. How good is away from seven?

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Speaker 2: Whether it's Macro microbe or just plain economics.

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Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen

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Speaker 1: and my HR, the HR platform for sme used talksb.

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Speaker 3: It's six away from seven. Now there is a story

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01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:08,519
Speaker 3: out today. Somebody's done the numbers and there are more

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01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 3: men named Mark running listed companies in this country than

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01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:16,320
Speaker 3: women running listed companies. There are nine Marks and there

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01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:19,439
Speaker 3: are only six women. The marks a Mark Freeman at

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01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 3: the Australian Foundation Investment Company, Mark Francis at Asset Plus,

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01:37:23,479 --> 01:37:26,719
Speaker 3: Mark Oware at Chorus, Mark Heine at e Road, Mark

2052
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:30,240
Speaker 3: Trowaer at Free Freightways, Mark Turnbullet Foley Wines, Mark Winter

2053
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:32,240
Speaker 3: at My Food Bag, Mark Peterson at the ins ofex

2054
01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:35,160
Speaker 3: of Mark Malpass at Steel and Tube. There had been ten,

2055
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 3: but Mark Lucas, thank god, thank God, who was chief

2056
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:42,760
Speaker 3: executive at Canna South resigned whose otherwise there would have

2057
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:45,240
Speaker 3: been ten of them up against six ladies. The sixth

2058
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 3: ladies are Carrie her to hung Anue at Auckland International Airport,

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01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:51,120
Speaker 3: Rachel Newfield of green Cross healths Rosie Mercer at Marsden

2060
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:55,680
Speaker 3: Maritime Holdings, Suzanne Vorak at Oceania, Sophie Maloney's sky TV,

2061
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:58,040
Speaker 3: and Jolie Hodson at Spark. However, it's not as bad

2062
01:37:58,040 --> 01:38:00,800
Speaker 3: as it looks. Naomi James going to start a rhyme

2063
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:02,400
Speaker 3: and health soon and then the West Back and A

2064
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:05,360
Speaker 3: and Z chief executives, both ladies. But you know they

2065
01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:09,600
Speaker 3: they are listed through think through the eighty six or what,

2066
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:11,839
Speaker 3: but anyway, I don't really know. In mind, they're not counted.

2067
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:14,680
Speaker 3: As well as having nine Marks, there are also six

2068
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 3: Davids and six Michaels. Now what you're supposed to do

2069
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:20,520
Speaker 3: at this point is be shocked. You're supposed to be like, oh,

2070
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:27,479
Speaker 3: how very dare how very dare the misogynists in these

2071
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:30,280
Speaker 3: companies appoint that many men who have the same name

2072
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:33,000
Speaker 3: over women, Like well, this is do you know what

2073
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:35,400
Speaker 3: I did not do that. I looked at it and went,

2074
01:38:35,439 --> 01:38:37,320
Speaker 3: why were you all naming your children Mark at the

2075
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:40,639
Speaker 3: same time? Like what's going on here? And then also

2076
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:43,080
Speaker 3: David's and Michaels And this is certain. I mean, we're

2077
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 3: talking about a particular age group here, aren't We're talking

2078
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:48,160
Speaker 3: about sort of like I would say, probably on average,

2079
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:50,559
Speaker 3: for I don't want to be unfair to these guys,

2080
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:53,320
Speaker 3: but probably like fifty pass fifty to seventy. So for

2081
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:56,120
Speaker 3: about twenty years there, everybody was naming their child Mark.

2082
01:38:56,439 --> 01:38:59,600
Speaker 3: Now that I'm always baffled by that. I mean I

2083
01:38:59,640 --> 01:39:02,599
Speaker 3: think that I'm always baffled when when you have somebody

2084
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 3: has a baby and they're like they can twenty twenty four?

2085
01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:07,840
Speaker 3: Am I to call it Daniel? Why why are you

2086
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 3: calling it the same name that everybody's had? That's weird

2087
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:10,920
Speaker 3: to me? Is it weird to you?

2088
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:12,320
Speaker 4: Andy? Well?

2089
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 11: Yeah kind of?

2090
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:15,639
Speaker 3: But I mean, what are your babies names?

2091
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:16,840
Speaker 11: Ava and Edison?

2092
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:17,280
Speaker 27: See?

2093
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:19,280
Speaker 3: Look how creative you got?

2094
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:20,479
Speaker 11: Is that creative?

2095
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:22,920
Speaker 3: I think that's creative. I think maybe there'll be a

2096
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:24,720
Speaker 3: crossover with a few Avas at the moment, But I

2097
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 3: don't think that that's great.

2098
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:27,439
Speaker 11: I don't think quite timeless names.

2099
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:29,320
Speaker 3: Had you gone for a Lily.

2100
01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:31,360
Speaker 11: Or a Luca?

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01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:31,960
Speaker 5: Do you know?

2102
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:34,000
Speaker 3: I mean we were talking about you having a sort

2103
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:35,400
Speaker 3: of like a yeah.

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01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:37,320
Speaker 11: Yeah, well there's those really cute see names as well.

2105
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:39,559
Speaker 11: Ou't there like a Lola and a Laila and all

2106
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:43,000
Speaker 11: those year old a Lola coming into the you know,

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01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:43,479
Speaker 11: you can't hope.

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01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:46,920
Speaker 3: Seriously, I was at the doctors when when when the

2109
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:49,120
Speaker 3: little one had croup some time ago, and there was

2110
01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:50,600
Speaker 3: a one called California.

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01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:55,000
Speaker 11: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, like Denver and Austin and all that. Yeah,

2112
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:55,599
Speaker 11: they're quite cool.

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Speaker 28: Yeah, Okay, tonight we go do a leaper. She's added

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01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:01,160
Speaker 28: a second show to her tour here in New Zealand,

2115
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:05,160
Speaker 28: the Radical Optimism Tour, which is quite cool. She's got

2116
01:40:05,200 --> 01:40:07,479
Speaker 28: a second show on the Friday now, on the fourth

2117
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Speaker 28: of April. Tickets are on sale now, so that's her.

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Speaker 28: Luke Holmb's Metallica said they're possibly coming. I think we're

2119
01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:14,839
Speaker 28: getting some business back in the town, an't.

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Speaker 3: It's good goodness? But the problem is how many of

2121
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:18,519
Speaker 3: these people do it? And I don't think the ones

2122
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:20,559
Speaker 3: at Eton Park are going to cancel, but some of

2123
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:22,559
Speaker 3: them announced shows them they cancel. That really just gets

2124
01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:23,000
Speaker 3: them a good.

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01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:24,519
Speaker 11: I don't think it will cancel, and I don't think

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01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:25,519
Speaker 11: Metallica will cancel.

2127
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:27,400
Speaker 3: No, I think it'll be all gad has Metallica even announced?

2128
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:28,599
Speaker 11: Yeah, pretty much. They confirmed it today.

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01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:28,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Oh cool, Okay, thank you for that. All right, enjoy

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Speaker 3: your week. You'd see you next week.

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