1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,720 Speaker 1: So we got there. On the end of Parliament endorsed 2 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: the Privileges Committee recommendation around the Maori Party. Two of 3 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: them are out for twenty one days. Might be Clark 4 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: who started it all as out the seventier of the 5 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 1: Privileges Committee due to the Collins back with that's very 6 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: good morning to you, our good morning Mike. What have 7 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: you learned out of all of this? 8 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 2: Well, I've learned that you should always stick to your principles. 9 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 2: And it's very clear that the committee was I would 10 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: have thought pretty much almost universally appalled by what we 11 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: saw in Parliament and the six months of hearings, including 12 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 2: three tempts to get the three MP's to turn up 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: and to answer questions and to explain themselves, that it 14 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: was actually worth it. And it's about time that Parliament 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 2: realized that the public of New Zealand are appalled by 16 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: some of the antics that they've seen in Parliament, including 17 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: interrupting the vote. It's looking seeming to threaten other MPs 18 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: are certainly to try and influenced them, and I thought 19 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 2: that see the committee stood its ground in the majority. 20 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: Indeed they did. It wasn't unanimous. Something was made that 21 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: by the other side. Do they have a point or not? 22 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 2: No, they don't. The factors is that during those hearings, 23 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 2: all the meetings that we had over six months, I 24 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 2: thought there was a very genuine concern about behavior on 25 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: that day and the fact that we weren't able to 26 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 2: hear the other side because they didn't want to turn up, 27 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: and what they did want to do is to write 28 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 2: us letters telling us the way we should be running 29 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 2: the committee, including turning into some sort of public forum 30 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: to discuss Tea Kane, which of course is not what 31 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: it's there for. It. The other thing is that hearing 32 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: wn Ai a Packer make all sorts of validations yesterday 33 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: in Parliament which are wrong. This is not about the harker, 34 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: It's not about that. It's about interrupting the vote, finger 35 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: pointing into there's a gun movement at three act MP's. 36 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: And it's also the fact that none of the protocols 37 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: were respected in parliament, and there are protocols on the Mariah, 38 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: there's protocols in Parliament, protocols in the churchs, mosques and schools. 39 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: Whatever we do, we've got to follow those protocols. 40 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: I don't I can't work out whether they want to 41 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: get it or don't want to get it, or do 42 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: get it, but just don't want to run it. But 43 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: I mean, in other words, I just don't take them seriously. 44 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: I just I'm so fed up and sick of them. Well, 45 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: I think they're not serious people. 46 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 2: Do that? No, No, well they're not serious people. And Hannah, 47 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: she's only in the first term and very young, and 48 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: obviously we felt that she was very heavily influenced by 49 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: the co leaders who are now five years in parliament. 50 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 2: They know exactly what the rules are and they have 51 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 2: been they said that they did so, and it's clear 52 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: from what Hannah said in public that she had been 53 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 2: as been arranged that Rallery Waitity would be the one 54 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: to tear up the build and started all off and 55 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: then they went and through it and hear it the 56 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 2: last minute. So do I feel she's been somewhat used? 57 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: Yes, I do, just really quickly HeiG Seth Singer poor 58 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: five percent defense China, Miles, all the stuff that you've 59 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: been dealing with in the last couple of days, is 60 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: there something extra there that we don't know about as 61 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: regards China and attention in the world at the moment 62 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: or is that just because you all got together in 63 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: the room you expressed it. 64 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 2: No, it's very tough at the moment, and I think 65 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: people should be very realistic about It's what we saw 66 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: recently with the very heavily armed and capable Task Group 67 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: that came down from China, that is just that that's 68 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: nothing compared to what the sort of tensions that are 69 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: going on in the end of specific I think it's 70 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: really important though for anyone just to be very calm, 71 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 2: measured and not to get too carried away. But every 72 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: country that we dealt with in Singapore is putting more 73 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 2: into defense and is taking this situation very seriously. I 74 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: think it would be very foolish not too and we 75 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 2: are taking it. 76 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: Seriously well said, appreciate it very much, Defense Minister, due 77 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: to the Collins also the head of the Privileges Committee 78 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: of course. For more from the My Asking Breakfast, listen 79 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: live to news talks that'd be from six am weekdays, 80 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.