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Speaker 1: You're listening to The Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp

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Speaker 1: from US talks by helping you get those DIY projects

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Speaker 1: done right. The Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp Call eight

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Speaker 1: eight eighteen youth talks.

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Speaker 2: It be.

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Speaker 3: A house sizzle even when it's dark, even when the

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Speaker 3: grass is overgrown in the.

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Speaker 4: Yard, even when the dog.

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Speaker 3: Is too old to bar, and when're sitting at the

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Speaker 3: table trying not to starveuse scissor home even when we bend,

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Speaker 3: even when you're therellone house sizzle hole given when there's ghost.

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Speaker 4: Given when you go around, found the ones you love

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Speaker 4: your most.

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Speaker 5: Stream does broken pains.

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Speaker 6: Appeeling in front of.

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Speaker 3: Locals, whisper when they're gone, and leaving theirs.

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Speaker 4: Even when we're ron.

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Speaker 3: Even when you're in their lone.

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Speaker 5: Years. Well, very good morning and welcome along to the

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Speaker 5: rest and Builder on Sunday. That's with me, people, wolf Camp,

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Speaker 5: the Resident Builder here to take your calls about all

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Speaker 5: things building and construction. And that's that's a fairly wide

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Speaker 5: sort of remit to be fair because we can talk

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Speaker 5: about actually getting the job done. We can talk about

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Speaker 5: the planning that goes into getting the job done before

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Speaker 5: you actually you know, swing a hammer or rip open

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Speaker 5: a Wall's always got to be a little bit of planning.

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Speaker 5: In fact, I always recall a discussion I had with

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Speaker 5: a building surveyor very experienced building survey and he said, look,

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Speaker 5: in ninety percent of the jobs that I go to

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Speaker 5: in terms of mediation or some sort of investigation as

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Speaker 5: to why things haven't worked out as people expected or

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Speaker 5: as it should do, it always comes down to the planning.

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Speaker 5: If there's been if we can identify that there's been

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Speaker 5: poor planning, then undoubtedly we always end up with a

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Speaker 5: poor outcome. And I think that's probably completely true if

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Speaker 5: it's a large, you know, multi level, multi million dollar project,

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Speaker 5: or whether you've just decided that, hey, I'm going to

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Speaker 5: repair something today. What do I need to do for planning?

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Speaker 5: What materials do I need? How much time do I

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Speaker 5: need to allocate to it? How what's my access going

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Speaker 5: to be? Like do I have the right materials to

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Speaker 5: for things that if I had spent a little bit

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Speaker 5: of time planning, I would have had all of those

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Speaker 5: was going to say, in a slightly fortunate position in

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Speaker 5: the sense that over the years, I've managed to collect

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Speaker 5: up most of the equipment and gear that I need.

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Speaker 5: So when I'm undertaking some tasks and I've had a

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Speaker 5: bit of a focus over the last few weeks, I've

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Speaker 5: trying to get a few jobs done around the house,

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Speaker 5: which is sort of against the rules for builders, because

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Speaker 5: you know, typically builder's house like cobbler's shoes and mechanics,

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Speaker 5: cars and that sort of thing, it's the last thing

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Speaker 5: you do. But I've I've put in a bit of

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Speaker 5: effort and so as I'm doing undertaking tasks, whether it's

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Speaker 5: cutting something to ripping something to sanding something, I've got

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Speaker 5: all of the right gear and the sending bits in

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Speaker 5: at the house. And if I don't, then I make

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Speaker 5: sure I have those things there ready to go. So

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Speaker 5: we can talk a little bit about planning. We can

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Speaker 5: talk about some of the legislation that might curtail what

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Speaker 5: We'll talk about some of the professionals that you might

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Speaker 5: need to engage if you're doing a project. So it's

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Speaker 5: a big old topic building and construction, but we can

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Speaker 5: talk about it all on the show this morning. It's

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Speaker 5: been a bit of an interesting week for me in

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Speaker 5: the sense of some engagements and some opportunities that came

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Speaker 5: along during the week that I wasn't really expecting. I

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Speaker 5: certainly wasn't expecting to meet the Prime Minister Christopher Luxon

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Speaker 5: during the course of the week, but did have that

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Speaker 5: And I was a little bit cheeky during my chat

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Speaker 5: apparently it is his thing. And I said, well, how

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Speaker 5: I'm sure we might do a bit of politics in

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Speaker 5: now it's your opportunity to talk all things building construction,

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Speaker 5: getting jobs done around the house, or getting someone to

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Speaker 5: do the work that you need to do, and maybe

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Speaker 5: the materials that you need, the wide variety of materials

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Speaker 5: that are available, So if you wander into any of

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Speaker 5: the sort of big barn stores. Oh, same thing yesterday,

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Speaker 5: finishing up a project that i'd had going on again

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Speaker 5: for the last couple of about a week or so

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Speaker 5: of work. Need a little bit of seilant. I'd finished

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Speaker 5: all the carpentry work, I'd got my primer code on,

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Speaker 5: I've done all my filling. There are just a couple

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Speaker 5: of gaps, as there always are, that needed some seilent,

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Speaker 5: so fossic through a box that I've got of celant,

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Speaker 5: found the right one. Not all of them are paintable,

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Speaker 5: for example, not all of them are UV stable. Not

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Speaker 5: all of them are suitable exterior use. So how do

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Speaker 5: you tell how to choose the right product for the

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Speaker 5: right location to achieve the right outcome. Oh, eight hundred

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Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. You can text,

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Speaker 5: of course, there's a small charge. We'll try and get

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Speaker 5: to all of your texts. Nine to nine two is

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Speaker 5: the text number, and if you'd like to email me

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Speaker 5: you are more than welcome. It's Pete at Newstalk SEDB

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Speaker 5: dot co dot NZ. So I hope you've had a

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Speaker 5: good week and let's rip into some calls all about

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Speaker 5: building and construction this morning on the show. I have

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Speaker 5: to say, nice to see in the Auckland area. Anyway,

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Speaker 5: it's been a fairly parched and while we didn't get

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Speaker 5: a lot of rain, we did actually get a little

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Speaker 5: bit of rain. And one of my projects was to replace,

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Speaker 5: actually to install some spouting on the garage that hasn't

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Speaker 5: to get some facierboard up, to get some seffeed up,

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Speaker 5: to get the spouting hung, which wasn't the case last

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Speaker 5: the down pipe and I was, I have to say,

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Speaker 5: stupidly happy to see that. Then again, that's that's the

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Speaker 5: delight of getting stuff done for yourself. So if you've

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Speaker 5: to talk about it, let's do that right now. Eight

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Speaker 5: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. We've

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Speaker 5: got spear lines. Typically we get pretty busy late in

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Speaker 5: the show. So now's a great time to call eight

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Speaker 5: hundred eighty ten eighty. Let's rip into it all things

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Speaker 5: building construction, the resident builder on Sunday call me.

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Speaker 1: Now met twice God was, but maybe call Pete first

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Speaker 1: for your WORFCAB the resident builder.

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Speaker 5: News Talk said, be your news talk said, b it

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Speaker 5: is seventeen minutes just gone, seventeen minutes after six, just

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Speaker 5: a couple of days past Valentine's. Hope you had a

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Speaker 5: good Valentine's Day. I just kind of enjoy Valentine's Day.

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Speaker 5: To be fair, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 5: the number to call if you've got a building question.

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Speaker 5: And helga a very good morning to you.

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Speaker 7: Oh hi, into a very good concert last night at

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Speaker 7: since A Jazz is another one tonight if you want

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Speaker 7: to go free.

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Speaker 5: I don't mind jazz, but I think going out on

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Speaker 5: a Sunday night after getting up at five o'clock on

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Speaker 5: a Sunday morning doesn't It's not a great mix for me,

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Speaker 7: Oh, you wouldn't have a little afternoon brended nat.

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Speaker 5: I'm a huge fan of the Wee Afternoon NAP. I

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Speaker 7: I've just been cheeky as like I think I rung

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Speaker 7: you about a week ago about a problem. And we've

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Speaker 7: got what do they call it, the CCC of Government

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Speaker 7: Approval and Spixer Improvement.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so Code Compliance Certificate as the CCC.

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Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, Well, now this is hot weather because in

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Speaker 7: Evan Dale, I noticed when I read the temperature now

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Speaker 7: they've been eight and nine lately, even at six o'clock

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Speaker 7: at nine, I was sitting in a place and it

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Speaker 7: And our concrete has got big long cracks formed in

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Speaker 7: night where there's a pathway, there's a security life and

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Speaker 7: from there it's it's cracked along one say two meters

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Speaker 7: two rulers along twenty four inches and then there's another part.

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Speaker 7: This is in the whole area where everyone can sert

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Speaker 7: in the sun of the I said, the forty takes

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Speaker 7: places and it's down a road Fentil place, but it's

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Speaker 7: not really.

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Speaker 5: I thinkga the like there's a truism with concrete, which

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Speaker 5: is all concrete cracks right. So ideally, because people who

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Speaker 5: try and mitigate the likelihood of it by going, Okay, well,

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Speaker 5: what we're going to do is we're going to make

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Speaker 5: places to ensure that when it does crack, as it

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Speaker 5: most inevitably will, it will crack in a controlled manner. Right,

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Speaker 5: So you give it somewhere to crack. If someone's laid

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Speaker 5: they've done a poor job of the preparation, they haven't

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Speaker 5: compacted the base course, those sorts of things, then you'll

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Speaker 5: have some issues. But thankfully, from what you're saying, it's

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Speaker 5: on the it's not critical, right, So pathways, I know

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Speaker 5: you don't want trip hazards and things like that, but

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Speaker 5: if it's you know, a pathway that cracks, that's not

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Speaker 5: as concerning, perhaps as if your floor slab was starting

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I haven't quite finished on the side of a

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Speaker 7: woman's hand. If I cut up there was a bit

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Speaker 7: of concrete full out in the middle of the path

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Speaker 7: by itself shivers.

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Speaker 5: Okay, look that's just poor workmanship basically.

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Speaker 7: So can we, like the forty six places here, we

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Speaker 7: all talk together, one of us people. Can we go

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Speaker 7: back to the developer and talk about that, or do

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Speaker 7: we go to the lawyer or who do we go to?

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Speaker 5: I mean, look, you can go through the legal route,

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Speaker 5: but that's obviously going to be expensive. I think that

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Speaker 5: you know, if it's a relatively new development and you're

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Speaker 5: having those sorts of defects appear, even though they're not

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Speaker 5: like they're not related to any one particular house, they're

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Speaker 5: related to the development in general, you'd like to think

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Speaker 5: that the developer would come back and it's not. In fact,

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Speaker 5: I did it this week. I had to cut a

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Speaker 5: section of concrete pathway out, get some drains put in,

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Speaker 5: and then patch that up. It's not as idea, is

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Speaker 5: it is if it was done all at one time.

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Speaker 5: But it is possible. And if you're having defects like

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Speaker 5: that where a large piece of concrete has has dislodged,

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Speaker 5: then yeah, I would certainly go back to the developer.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. One of the things, may I ask you to

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Speaker 5: ten eighty. That was one of the things I got

430
00:25:37,135 --> 00:25:40,655
Speaker 5: up to this week, including sort of wandering along and

431
00:25:40,815 --> 00:25:43,295
Speaker 5: meeting the Prime Minister which was kind of fun as well.

432
00:25:43,295 --> 00:25:45,455
Speaker 5: We'll talk about that but later on. I eight hundred

433
00:25:45,535 --> 00:25:47,895
Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty is the number to call pet a

434
00:25:47,975 --> 00:25:50,895
Speaker 5: text message. We are buying a six year old townhouse

435
00:25:50,935 --> 00:25:54,415
Speaker 5: with a shared garage wall with an adjoining unit. The

436
00:25:54,415 --> 00:25:57,895
Speaker 5: building inspection report says that the garage ceiling space, the

437
00:25:57,975 --> 00:26:03,335
Speaker 5: joints of the firewall, plaster board and screws are not plasted.

438
00:26:03,495 --> 00:26:10,215
Speaker 5: Is it necessary to be plasted? Typically yes, so unless

439
00:26:10,255 --> 00:26:16,655
Speaker 5: there was something in six year old townhouse. Yeah, I mean,

440
00:26:16,695 --> 00:26:18,415
Speaker 5: look all of the fire rating that I might have

441
00:26:19,655 --> 00:26:23,455
Speaker 5: supervised or done or supervised. In the last ten twelve years,

442
00:26:24,015 --> 00:26:26,415
Speaker 5: it's always been a case that you have to stop

443
00:26:26,495 --> 00:26:29,135
Speaker 5: the joints. So you might use a fire rated plaster

444
00:26:29,215 --> 00:26:33,175
Speaker 5: board like fireline for example from JIB, but it's important

445
00:26:33,175 --> 00:26:37,015
Speaker 5: that you stop the joints. Doesn't have to be pretty,

446
00:26:37,055 --> 00:26:39,655
Speaker 5: but it does have to be stopped, and the fixings

447
00:26:39,695 --> 00:26:42,815
Speaker 5: need to be stopped as well. So yes, I think

448
00:26:43,935 --> 00:26:48,015
Speaker 5: the building inspection report is right to identify that, and

449
00:26:48,215 --> 00:26:51,175
Speaker 5: I would say the work hasn't been completed properly, in

450
00:26:51,215 --> 00:26:53,455
Speaker 5: which case, you know, you look at that and go, so,

451
00:26:53,535 --> 00:26:58,055
Speaker 5: how did it get a CCC If it's got one,

452
00:26:58,175 --> 00:27:01,215
Speaker 5: I presume that it does. Yes, something to look at there,

453
00:27:01,855 --> 00:27:05,495
Speaker 5: And if you are unsure about what the legislation looks

454
00:27:05,535 --> 00:27:08,255
Speaker 5: like or what the requires moments, you can go to

455
00:27:08,335 --> 00:27:10,935
Speaker 5: the JIB website. So just jib dot co dot NZ

456
00:27:11,775 --> 00:27:13,975
Speaker 5: have a look through, and they'll have all of their

457
00:27:14,015 --> 00:27:17,455
Speaker 5: guidance around fire rating and fire rated systems if it

458
00:27:17,535 --> 00:27:21,175
Speaker 5: is a jib board system on their website as well.

459
00:27:21,215 --> 00:27:23,415
Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm pretty sure that you will need to

460
00:27:23,855 --> 00:27:28,375
Speaker 5: that should have been stopped just on that too. And

461
00:27:28,415 --> 00:27:30,215
Speaker 5: if you happen to be living sort of in a

462
00:27:30,415 --> 00:27:33,215
Speaker 5: multi unit complex or an apartment and that sort of

463
00:27:33,215 --> 00:27:36,175
Speaker 5: thing where there is fire rating. Yeah, it's uncommon right

464
00:27:36,215 --> 00:27:41,135
Speaker 5: in residential situations. A standalone house typically has no requirement

465
00:27:41,215 --> 00:27:44,335
Speaker 5: for fire rating. The reason I mentioned it is that

466
00:27:44,855 --> 00:27:51,495
Speaker 5: council's attitude has changed dramatically. So let's say you're in

467
00:27:51,535 --> 00:27:55,375
Speaker 5: an apartment block and council during some inspection or while

468
00:27:55,415 --> 00:27:59,015
Speaker 5: you're doing renovation work, for example, you identify the fact

469
00:27:59,015 --> 00:28:01,735
Speaker 5: that the fire rating is not up to code requirements.

470
00:28:02,215 --> 00:28:06,535
Speaker 5: It kind of doesn't matter who stuffed up anymore. You,

471
00:28:06,575 --> 00:28:09,495
Speaker 5: as the owner of the property, are the person responsible,

472
00:28:09,495 --> 00:28:13,615
Speaker 5: and council will insist that you fix it. It's quite

473
00:28:13,615 --> 00:28:16,855
Speaker 5: an interesting change in attitude at the moment. Oh eight,

474
00:28:16,855 --> 00:28:18,895
Speaker 5: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

475
00:28:18,895 --> 00:28:23,735
Speaker 5: call John A very good morning to you. Yeah, good, thank.

476
00:28:23,535 --> 00:28:27,415
Speaker 9: You, Pete. I've just become an on Central South and

477
00:28:27,695 --> 00:28:30,655
Speaker 9: right at the bottom end of the country. And now

478
00:28:30,695 --> 00:28:34,695
Speaker 9: the lady to get a CCC the charge for seven

479
00:28:34,775 --> 00:28:36,175
Speaker 9: thousand dollars.

480
00:28:36,855 --> 00:28:39,615
Speaker 5: Hang on. The charge to get a CCC was seven

481
00:28:39,615 --> 00:28:40,415
Speaker 5: thousand dollars.

482
00:28:41,095 --> 00:28:44,855
Speaker 9: At the cost of getting that from the council. With

483
00:28:44,855 --> 00:28:46,415
Speaker 9: seven thousand dollars.

484
00:28:46,575 --> 00:28:49,495
Speaker 5: Can you just explain that to me, because to be blunt,

485
00:28:49,655 --> 00:28:54,535
Speaker 5: it doesn't make any sense in that typically when you

486
00:28:54,575 --> 00:28:57,015
Speaker 5: get a building consent, you pay for the building consent

487
00:28:57,135 --> 00:28:59,895
Speaker 5: that might have cost five or six thousand dollars. That

488
00:28:59,975 --> 00:29:03,375
Speaker 5: will typically include a set number of inspections. If you

489
00:29:03,815 --> 00:29:06,135
Speaker 5: have to have more inspections. If you fail and they

490
00:29:06,135 --> 00:29:09,575
Speaker 5: need to recheck, they'll charge you for that. Maybe you

491
00:29:09,655 --> 00:29:11,975
Speaker 5: failed the final inspection and they'll come back and do

492
00:29:12,055 --> 00:29:16,775
Speaker 5: another one. But then the actual processing of the CCC

493
00:29:17,975 --> 00:29:20,895
Speaker 5: there'll be a fee, but typically it's around two to

494
00:29:20,975 --> 00:29:24,455
Speaker 5: three thousand or two thousand dollars. How did they get

495
00:29:24,455 --> 00:29:25,255
Speaker 5: to seven grand?

496
00:29:27,015 --> 00:29:33,175
Speaker 9: Apparently it is the costs have been changed and I

497
00:29:33,215 --> 00:29:35,775
Speaker 9: only know a little bit about the job, so I'm

498
00:29:35,775 --> 00:29:41,535
Speaker 9: not sure. But the cost it was a built it

499
00:29:41,695 --> 00:29:45,295
Speaker 9: was a building that was already up and lived them down,

500
00:29:45,415 --> 00:29:50,695
Speaker 9: a small building, but at costs. This lady devens out

501
00:29:50,815 --> 00:29:55,255
Speaker 9: the fee from Southern District Council was seven thousand dollars

502
00:29:55,255 --> 00:29:56,615
Speaker 9: to issue the CCC.

503
00:29:57,535 --> 00:30:01,095
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, so if it's there might be something there

504
00:30:01,175 --> 00:30:04,775
Speaker 5: around a building that was completed, occupied and then went

505
00:30:04,855 --> 00:30:08,575
Speaker 5: looking for a CCC. So if there's more work involved,

506
00:30:09,015 --> 00:30:12,455
Speaker 5: then I could see the price going up. Look, it's

507
00:30:12,495 --> 00:30:15,375
Speaker 5: easy to be on the sideline go that seems expensive,

508
00:30:15,575 --> 00:30:17,535
Speaker 5: but it does seem expensive to.

509
00:30:17,415 --> 00:30:19,775
Speaker 9: Be fair, very expensive.

510
00:30:19,895 --> 00:30:20,055
Speaker 3: Yeah.

511
00:30:20,255 --> 00:30:24,415
Speaker 9: So, but apparently it was cared back and the charges

512
00:30:24,415 --> 00:30:26,135
Speaker 9: are literally double for them. Peace.

513
00:30:26,775 --> 00:30:30,415
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, And I mean you're seeing this, you know,

514
00:30:30,455 --> 00:30:32,855
Speaker 5: from council charges for all sorts of things. I mean, look,

515
00:30:32,895 --> 00:30:40,895
Speaker 5: I was ten twelve years ago. If you asked for

516
00:30:40,935 --> 00:30:43,455
Speaker 5: a new water meter for a subdivision, right for a

517
00:30:43,455 --> 00:30:48,055
Speaker 5: new development in Auckland, we were paying about I think

518
00:30:48,055 --> 00:30:52,975
Speaker 5: it was about twelve hundred dollars. Last one that I

519
00:30:53,055 --> 00:30:56,615
Speaker 5: was aware of it was about twelve thousand dollars for

520
00:30:56,695 --> 00:30:59,175
Speaker 5: a new water meter, and that was a couple of

521
00:30:59,215 --> 00:31:02,175
Speaker 5: years ago. So it wouldn't surprise me today that if you,

522
00:31:02,175 --> 00:31:05,055
Speaker 5: you know, are subdividing or doing a development, that each

523
00:31:05,055 --> 00:31:09,455
Speaker 5: individual water meter probably cost you somewhere around fourteen thousand dollars.

524
00:31:11,455 --> 00:31:13,375
Speaker 9: Yeah. It's pretty amazing, really, isn't it?

525
00:31:13,455 --> 00:31:17,615
Speaker 5: Is it is? Sorry? Was that your question though, buddy?

526
00:31:17,775 --> 00:31:23,255
Speaker 9: Yeah, No, the thing was about lady. Haven't excuse me

527
00:31:23,735 --> 00:31:25,335
Speaker 9: of you lady having her.

528
00:31:25,375 --> 00:31:26,855
Speaker 5: Cost Yeah, that's tough.

529
00:31:27,855 --> 00:31:28,335
Speaker 2: Yeah.

530
00:31:28,495 --> 00:31:31,655
Speaker 9: So I'm just wondering, is that standard costs throughout New Zealand.

531
00:31:31,655 --> 00:31:34,935
Speaker 5: Now I don't know that there is such a thing

532
00:31:34,975 --> 00:31:39,575
Speaker 5: as a standard cost. I suppose the other question is

533
00:31:41,455 --> 00:31:44,575
Speaker 5: did when she purchased the property, did she know that

534
00:31:44,615 --> 00:31:48,255
Speaker 5: there was outstanding there was an outstanding CCC that she

535
00:31:48,375 --> 00:31:51,815
Speaker 5: would have to deal with, or is this something that

536
00:31:52,215 --> 00:31:54,975
Speaker 5: perhaps she wasn't informed about and now she's had to

537
00:31:55,335 --> 00:31:56,575
Speaker 5: incur those costs.

538
00:31:57,975 --> 00:32:00,575
Speaker 9: I think that I'm not too sure because I don't

539
00:32:01,055 --> 00:32:06,695
Speaker 9: have a full fact, but I think and that's probably

540
00:32:06,775 --> 00:32:11,095
Speaker 9: eighty percent of older houses around Southland that had never

541
00:32:11,135 --> 00:32:15,735
Speaker 9: had a CCC or whatever. That's what I'm talking about.

542
00:32:15,775 --> 00:32:20,655
Speaker 9: The cost of getting counseled. A fishery ones now cost

543
00:32:20,735 --> 00:32:22,175
Speaker 9: just wady seven greens.

544
00:32:22,615 --> 00:32:25,855
Speaker 5: Now I must have. Over the last I don't know,

545
00:32:25,975 --> 00:32:29,335
Speaker 5: four to five years, I've probably changed my attitude about

546
00:32:29,375 --> 00:32:32,335
Speaker 5: it as well, in the sense that, you know, going

547
00:32:32,375 --> 00:32:34,855
Speaker 5: back a couple of years, if someone said to me,

548
00:32:34,935 --> 00:32:37,775
Speaker 5: I'll look you a friend or colleague or someone an

549
00:32:37,775 --> 00:32:40,975
Speaker 5: acquaintance would say to me, hey, look, I'm interested in

550
00:32:40,975 --> 00:32:43,615
Speaker 5: this property and I've noticed that there's a building consent

551
00:32:43,695 --> 00:32:47,815
Speaker 5: that hasn't been signed off, doesn't have a CCC, I'd go, okay, well, look,

552
00:32:47,855 --> 00:32:49,575
Speaker 5: you know you've got to be a bit cautious about it.

553
00:32:49,615 --> 00:32:52,775
Speaker 5: But maybe it's something you could resolve when you purchase

554
00:32:52,855 --> 00:32:58,415
Speaker 5: the property. But getting them is much more complicated than

555
00:32:58,455 --> 00:33:02,295
Speaker 5: it used to be, and increasingly i'd say you've got

556
00:33:02,295 --> 00:33:05,255
Speaker 5: to be really cautious about buying a property where you know,

557
00:33:05,295 --> 00:33:07,055
Speaker 5: if you read through the live this is where you

558
00:33:07,055 --> 00:33:10,055
Speaker 5: can often find this information. Right, So if you're interested

559
00:33:10,095 --> 00:33:13,415
Speaker 5: in the property, you request the LIMB, the land Information Memorandum,

560
00:33:13,815 --> 00:33:16,295
Speaker 5: and typically it will then after a couple of pages,

561
00:33:16,415 --> 00:33:19,855
Speaker 5: list any resource consents that were issued for the property.

562
00:33:19,895 --> 00:33:22,575
Speaker 5: Then it will list any built It'll list both building

563
00:33:22,655 --> 00:33:26,935
Speaker 5: permits and building consents. Building permits don't have cccs attached

564
00:33:26,935 --> 00:33:29,935
Speaker 5: to them, so that's fine. If there's a building consent

565
00:33:30,015 --> 00:33:33,575
Speaker 5: that's been issued so typically post nineteen ninety one, and

566
00:33:33,615 --> 00:33:36,535
Speaker 5: if it says in the notes on the side CCC

567
00:33:36,655 --> 00:33:39,735
Speaker 5: not issued, you've really got to go. I've got to

568
00:33:39,775 --> 00:33:43,415
Speaker 5: investigate that because there can be a tremendous amount of

569
00:33:43,455 --> 00:33:47,335
Speaker 5: work involved now in getting those cccs resolved.

570
00:33:48,655 --> 00:33:50,655
Speaker 9: Yeah, the council was really good about it.

571
00:33:50,775 --> 00:33:53,615
Speaker 5: Pete, Well, yeah, I'm sure they'd be helpful. But yeah,

572
00:33:53,655 --> 00:33:55,695
Speaker 5: also a thing just seven grand.

573
00:33:56,335 --> 00:34:01,375
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, and she had she got an expert to

574
00:34:01,415 --> 00:34:04,495
Speaker 9: get it through council for her because she was incapable

575
00:34:04,535 --> 00:34:10,455
Speaker 9: of being able to do that. Yeah, on highly technical work. Yeah. Yeah.

576
00:34:10,455 --> 00:34:14,335
Speaker 5: Look, I've been involved with one case where a CCC

577
00:34:14,535 --> 00:34:19,815
Speaker 5: from roughly what was it, two thousand and two didn't

578
00:34:19,815 --> 00:34:22,535
Speaker 5: get signed off. There's a whole lot of complexity around it,

579
00:34:23,455 --> 00:34:27,735
Speaker 5: and in the end we've had to engage a registered

580
00:34:27,735 --> 00:34:33,135
Speaker 5: building survey to undertake some work to prove compliance right

581
00:34:33,295 --> 00:34:36,095
Speaker 5: so to counsel. So yeah, you're having to go out

582
00:34:36,215 --> 00:34:42,295
Speaker 5: engage other professionals to convince counsel that there is the

583
00:34:42,375 --> 00:34:46,095
Speaker 5: compliance issues that they might have concerns about have been results.

584
00:34:46,095 --> 00:34:50,735
Speaker 5: So again, it's just layer upon layer of regulation complexity

585
00:34:50,855 --> 00:34:54,055
Speaker 5: and obviously costs that comes along with it. So you know,

586
00:34:54,055 --> 00:34:56,135
Speaker 5: I'm not saying I'm not in any way saying to

587
00:34:56,175 --> 00:34:58,855
Speaker 5: someone hey, look, don't buy a property. I'm just saying,

588
00:34:59,015 --> 00:35:01,215
Speaker 5: if you're going to do it and it's got an

589
00:35:01,335 --> 00:35:05,975
Speaker 5: unresolved CECC, then absolutely go into it with your eyes

590
00:35:06,015 --> 00:35:06,615
Speaker 5: wide open.

591
00:35:07,695 --> 00:35:10,335
Speaker 9: Because I'm an old chippy in the South right trade,

592
00:35:10,375 --> 00:35:13,375
Speaker 9: third Advance BAT trade I did, and the New Zealand

593
00:35:13,415 --> 00:35:17,255
Speaker 9: certificate building in the early seventies. So yes, I've still

594
00:35:17,295 --> 00:35:19,735
Speaker 9: got a pretty good average knowledge of what's going on.

595
00:35:19,895 --> 00:35:22,975
Speaker 9: But yeah, it was I just thought it was a

596
00:35:23,015 --> 00:35:26,695
Speaker 9: hell of a tough charge for her because she on

597
00:35:26,775 --> 00:35:30,615
Speaker 9: a peach and almost she's now almost broke.

598
00:35:31,055 --> 00:35:34,855
Speaker 5: That's tough, right. Interesting in your comment there, John about

599
00:35:35,055 --> 00:35:37,455
Speaker 5: advanced Trade certificate, I have to say that's one of

600
00:35:37,455 --> 00:35:41,535
Speaker 5: the things that I wish we still had so to

601
00:35:41,575 --> 00:35:44,735
Speaker 5: the best of my knowledge, right now, you know, I've

602
00:35:44,735 --> 00:35:47,295
Speaker 5: got my trade certificate, it's from a long time ago,

603
00:35:48,855 --> 00:35:53,655
Speaker 5: but there doesn't seem to be the opportunity to sort

604
00:35:53,655 --> 00:35:58,495
Speaker 5: of do advanced trade now without it becoming a tertiary

605
00:35:58,575 --> 00:36:02,495
Speaker 5: qualification that's much more academic focused. So there are courses

606
00:36:02,535 --> 00:36:05,815
Speaker 5: at the moment like Bachelor of Construction and things like that,

607
00:36:06,415 --> 00:36:09,495
Speaker 5: which are great, but they're not quite the same as

608
00:36:09,495 --> 00:36:12,735
Speaker 5: the Advanced Trade And I know it was around not

609
00:36:12,895 --> 00:36:17,295
Speaker 5: long after I did my NZTC, my New Zealand Trade

610
00:36:17,335 --> 00:36:21,135
Speaker 5: Certificate and carpentry, but and I didn't do it then

611
00:36:21,135 --> 00:36:23,375
Speaker 5: because I was too busy working. And now I'd like

612
00:36:23,495 --> 00:36:25,855
Speaker 5: to do something like that just to kind of stretch myself.

613
00:36:25,855 --> 00:36:27,855
Speaker 5: But it's not, to the best of my knowledge, it's

614
00:36:27,855 --> 00:36:30,535
Speaker 5: not out there anymore unless someone can put me right

615
00:36:30,575 --> 00:36:33,375
Speaker 5: on that, which I would love to be wrong, but

616
00:36:33,455 --> 00:36:36,135
Speaker 5: I think right now there's not the opportunity. Hey John,

617
00:36:36,215 --> 00:36:40,455
Speaker 5: nice talking with you as always, and I'll file away

618
00:36:40,535 --> 00:36:43,775
Speaker 5: that seven thousand dollars fee for a CCC. I mean

619
00:36:43,775 --> 00:36:48,935
Speaker 5: there's always there's always a fee for processing, like typically

620
00:36:49,775 --> 00:36:54,415
Speaker 5: if you've had your final inspection, the final inspection has passed.

621
00:36:54,815 --> 00:37:00,615
Speaker 5: Then it's the other thing to really emphasize if you're

622
00:37:01,215 --> 00:37:05,175
Speaker 5: let's say you're doing a renovation, right and you are

623
00:37:05,175 --> 00:37:09,855
Speaker 5: the homeowner, You've contracted your builders, etc. To do the work.

624
00:37:11,135 --> 00:37:14,055
Speaker 5: Unless you've specifically said in your contract that it's the

625
00:37:14,095 --> 00:37:18,775
Speaker 5: responsibility the contractor to get the CCC, it becomes your

626
00:37:18,815 --> 00:37:23,895
Speaker 5: responsibility as the homeowner. And I think that sometimes homeowners

627
00:37:23,895 --> 00:37:26,495
Speaker 5: are not aware of that, and so it tends to

628
00:37:26,535 --> 00:37:29,335
Speaker 5: go into the g I'm sick of the building, I've

629
00:37:29,415 --> 00:37:32,015
Speaker 5: had enough of the builders, I've done all this work,

630
00:37:32,055 --> 00:37:34,175
Speaker 5: I've spent all this money, blah blah blah blah blah,

631
00:37:34,335 --> 00:37:36,935
Speaker 5: and so the CCC application goes in the top draw,

632
00:37:37,055 --> 00:37:42,735
Speaker 5: never to be seen again. Although someone so I got

633
00:37:42,975 --> 00:37:46,135
Speaker 5: an email the other day saying from someone who listens

634
00:37:46,175 --> 00:37:48,735
Speaker 5: to the show going, Look, we've just completed a renovation

635
00:37:48,855 --> 00:37:50,615
Speaker 5: and then we got a letter from council saying we

636
00:37:50,735 --> 00:37:54,335
Speaker 5: have to get our application for CCC in within sixty days.

637
00:37:55,775 --> 00:37:57,975
Speaker 5: I did actually go through and read as much as

638
00:37:57,975 --> 00:38:01,095
Speaker 5: I could. I can't see any statutrue requirement to do that,

639
00:38:01,135 --> 00:38:05,455
Speaker 5: but apparently council are insisting that people get their CCC

640
00:38:05,495 --> 00:38:07,735
Speaker 5: and within sixty ends, which, to be fair, is probably

641
00:38:07,735 --> 00:38:11,335
Speaker 5: not a bad idea, but it is the homeowner's responsibility

642
00:38:11,335 --> 00:38:16,655
Speaker 5: to get it done. And so the CCC application includes

643
00:38:16,735 --> 00:38:23,695
Speaker 5: things like producer statements, warranties, PS threes, PS fours. All

644
00:38:23,695 --> 00:38:26,495
Speaker 5: of that needs to be submitted to counsel goes through

645
00:38:26,495 --> 00:38:29,935
Speaker 5: the processing. Once they've completed that, they'll issue you with

646
00:38:29,975 --> 00:38:33,135
Speaker 5: an invoice. Typically, I always thought it was around two

647
00:38:33,295 --> 00:38:37,615
Speaker 5: to three thousand dollars, not seven thousand dollars, and once

648
00:38:37,655 --> 00:38:41,095
Speaker 5: you've paid that, they'll send you out the CCC. Certainly

649
00:38:41,175 --> 00:38:43,695
Speaker 5: these days, make sure you get it done. That's my advice. Oh,

650
00:38:43,735 --> 00:38:45,855
Speaker 5: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

651
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Speaker 5: call back after the break.

652
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Speaker 1: Whether you're padium of stealing, fixing affairs, or wondering how

653
00:38:50,895 --> 00:38:53,175
Speaker 1: to fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter Wolf

654
00:38:53,175 --> 00:38:58,055
Speaker 1: capit call on ten eighty the resident builder on Youth TALKSTB,

655
00:38:58,495 --> 00:39:00,855
Speaker 1: You and News Talks B and Sean A very good morning.

656
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Speaker 10: Ah you going, Peter, Hey, just so I give you

657
00:39:04,375 --> 00:39:06,815
Speaker 10: a call, good timing. I've just got to a question

658
00:39:06,855 --> 00:39:12,015
Speaker 10: regarding CCC. Sure, long story short, brought a place last

659
00:39:12,095 --> 00:39:16,775
Speaker 10: year and that had a balcony input by the previous

660
00:39:16,815 --> 00:39:21,295
Speaker 10: owners that had counsel approval. It was on the the

661
00:39:21,375 --> 00:39:24,415
Speaker 10: LIM report all the pack that was fine, but they

662
00:39:24,455 --> 00:39:28,455
Speaker 10: never actually went and got the c c C right.

663
00:39:30,295 --> 00:39:33,575
Speaker 10: So I'm just wondering what your advice would be in

664
00:39:33,655 --> 00:39:37,015
Speaker 10: terms of, you know, do I ask for an inspection

665
00:39:37,255 --> 00:39:38,775
Speaker 10: or do I get a build at first to come

666
00:39:38,815 --> 00:39:42,135
Speaker 10: around and check it out before then applying to council

667
00:39:42,295 --> 00:39:44,735
Speaker 10: to get the CCC. And how would you best approach that?

668
00:39:45,015 --> 00:39:49,815
Speaker 5: Yeah, really good question. So do you have a copy

669
00:39:49,855 --> 00:39:54,335
Speaker 5: of the building consent that went along with the balcony?

670
00:39:54,895 --> 00:39:57,815
Speaker 11: I believe so, Yeah, there was a bunch of there's

671
00:39:57,815 --> 00:40:01,415
Speaker 11: a bunch of drawn up plans and I tried to

672
00:40:01,575 --> 00:40:03,735
Speaker 11: I don't yes a bit of a novel, So I

673
00:40:03,775 --> 00:40:07,255
Speaker 11: tried to find actual consent on the page like sheet

674
00:40:07,255 --> 00:40:09,935
Speaker 11: that came through with the property. But the only thing

675
00:40:09,975 --> 00:40:11,695
Speaker 11: I could see was on the li report it said

676
00:40:12,215 --> 00:40:16,975
Speaker 11: balcony approved but not see not finned off yep. So

677
00:40:17,135 --> 00:40:19,615
Speaker 11: that there's like drawings and the builder's plans and all

678
00:40:19,655 --> 00:40:21,855
Speaker 11: that in the paperwork. So it's a bit of a

679
00:40:21,855 --> 00:40:23,895
Speaker 11: bugbear I have to get around at doing. But I

680
00:40:23,975 --> 00:40:24,935
Speaker 11: just wanted to skip through.

681
00:40:25,415 --> 00:40:31,255
Speaker 5: Yeah, you do actually have to be a little bit

682
00:40:31,255 --> 00:40:35,455
Speaker 5: tactical and strategic rather right now, and I'm very aware

683
00:40:35,455 --> 00:40:39,615
Speaker 5: of time. Look, I here's what I would do. Go

684
00:40:39,695 --> 00:40:44,015
Speaker 5: to council, request the property file and get a complete

685
00:40:44,055 --> 00:40:46,735
Speaker 5: copy of the building consent. Then I'd probably get a

686
00:40:46,775 --> 00:40:49,775
Speaker 5: builder to come and have a look and see whether

687
00:40:49,855 --> 00:40:52,575
Speaker 5: or not the work that's been done is in accordance

688
00:40:52,615 --> 00:40:56,735
Speaker 5: with the building consent. If there's anything that they identify

689
00:40:56,815 --> 00:41:00,615
Speaker 5: that you need to fix, fix it first, then invite

690
00:41:00,655 --> 00:41:04,255
Speaker 5: counsel then as see if there's an inspection record, did

691
00:41:04,255 --> 00:41:08,975
Speaker 5: a final inspection take place and did the final inspection pass?

692
00:41:10,895 --> 00:41:14,775
Speaker 5: If the final inspection passed, then it's kind of just paperwork.

693
00:41:14,815 --> 00:41:19,215
Speaker 5: But you will need when was the work done? I

694
00:41:19,295 --> 00:41:21,295
Speaker 5: tell you what, can you just stand the line because

695
00:41:21,455 --> 00:41:24,215
Speaker 5: there is a bit of complexity around this, and we're

696
00:41:24,255 --> 00:41:26,575
Speaker 5: not I don't want to rush through this, which I'll

697
00:41:26,575 --> 00:41:29,215
Speaker 5: need to do because we've got new sport and weather

698
00:41:29,575 --> 00:41:31,895
Speaker 5: top of the hour and just a couple of minutes

699
00:41:31,935 --> 00:41:33,495
Speaker 5: back after the seven o'clock news.

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Speaker 1: Squeaky door or squeaky floor Get the right advice from

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00:41:37,975 --> 00:41:41,335
Speaker 1: Peter Wolfcam, the resident builder on Newstalks EDB.

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Speaker 5: Your News Talks dB. Good morning, welcome back to the program.

703
00:41:45,935 --> 00:41:48,095
Speaker 5: My name's Pete wolf Camp, resident build out with you

704
00:41:48,215 --> 00:41:50,975
Speaker 5: right through till nine o'clock this morning. We've got no

705
00:41:51,455 --> 00:41:54,975
Speaker 5: specific interviews today, so plenty of time for your calls,

706
00:41:55,015 --> 00:41:56,855
Speaker 5: but now's a great time to call. Oh eight hundred

707
00:41:56,895 --> 00:42:00,135
Speaker 5: and eighty ten eighty, you can text nine two nine two,

708
00:42:00,175 --> 00:42:02,055
Speaker 5: and if you'd like to email me, it's Pete at

709
00:42:02,095 --> 00:42:06,255
Speaker 5: Newstalk SEDB dot co dot nz. Just before the new

710
00:42:06,495 --> 00:42:09,495
Speaker 5: we started to talk to Sean who has in summary

711
00:42:09,655 --> 00:42:12,375
Speaker 5: I think tell me if I've got the details right.

712
00:42:12,375 --> 00:42:17,815
Speaker 5: Seawan purchased a house last year. There's a balcony. So

713
00:42:17,975 --> 00:42:20,455
Speaker 5: is it a balcony or is it a deck that's

714
00:42:20,495 --> 00:42:26,015
Speaker 5: been built. It's a deck, yeah, how high is the deck?

715
00:42:28,015 --> 00:42:32,455
Speaker 11: Well, it's underneath it, okay, yeah.

716
00:42:33,375 --> 00:42:37,575
Speaker 5: And so a building consent was issued for the work

717
00:42:38,895 --> 00:42:41,135
Speaker 5: and that's kind of all that you know in a sense,

718
00:42:41,175 --> 00:42:43,935
Speaker 5: isn't it. So building consent was issued, the work was done,

719
00:42:45,015 --> 00:42:48,335
Speaker 5: nobody followed through and did the CCC. You've purchased the

720
00:42:48,335 --> 00:42:50,775
Speaker 5: property and you want to get the CCC resolved, which

721
00:42:50,815 --> 00:42:56,135
Speaker 5: is good idea. So given that you didn't undertake the work,

722
00:42:56,295 --> 00:42:59,135
Speaker 5: I would do you feel that you could go back

723
00:42:59,135 --> 00:43:02,135
Speaker 5: to the previous owner and just go, look, I'm trying

724
00:43:02,135 --> 00:43:05,055
Speaker 5: to sort this out. I'm not casting any judgments or

725
00:43:05,055 --> 00:43:07,255
Speaker 5: anything like that, but could you provide me with as

726
00:43:07,295 --> 00:43:10,895
Speaker 5: much information as you possibly can. I'd probably start there.

727
00:43:11,575 --> 00:43:14,615
Speaker 5: In the event that maybe they're reluctant to give you

728
00:43:14,695 --> 00:43:17,455
Speaker 5: information or they don't have it through their own fault

729
00:43:17,615 --> 00:43:21,455
Speaker 5: or whatever, then I'd go back to council and go, look,

730
00:43:21,495 --> 00:43:25,295
Speaker 5: can I request a copy of the building consent? Get

731
00:43:25,295 --> 00:43:28,175
Speaker 5: a builder to have a look at the building consent

732
00:43:28,415 --> 00:43:31,855
Speaker 5: and compare that to the work that's done. If they

733
00:43:32,815 --> 00:43:36,135
Speaker 5: figure out that actually it looks like it's supposed to.

734
00:43:36,335 --> 00:43:39,375
Speaker 5: It's got the right posts, it's got the right brackets, etc. Etc.

735
00:43:40,455 --> 00:43:44,055
Speaker 5: And also then go and see whether within that building

736
00:43:44,095 --> 00:43:47,615
Speaker 5: consent there's the inspection records. So for example, for a

737
00:43:47,695 --> 00:43:50,695
Speaker 5: job like that, I would expect that council would have

738
00:43:50,775 --> 00:43:54,015
Speaker 5: come on site to have a look at the posts

739
00:43:54,055 --> 00:43:56,175
Speaker 5: that are holding it up. So they would have come along,

740
00:43:56,655 --> 00:44:01,055
Speaker 5: looked and seen that, you know, the size of them,

741
00:44:01,135 --> 00:44:05,335
Speaker 5: the depth of them, the grounding of them is all compliant,

742
00:44:05,735 --> 00:44:09,335
Speaker 5: and they would have past that inspection. Let's hope that

743
00:44:09,335 --> 00:44:12,775
Speaker 5: that's the case, right. The sort of the worst case scenario,

744
00:44:12,895 --> 00:44:16,055
Speaker 5: and I'm really genuine and hoping that this isn't the case,

745
00:44:16,175 --> 00:44:19,575
Speaker 5: is that a building consent was issued, the work was undertaken,

746
00:44:19,895 --> 00:44:23,335
Speaker 5: but nobody ever got counsel around to do any inspections,

747
00:44:23,375 --> 00:44:26,215
Speaker 5: in which case you've got a much harder pathway to

748
00:44:26,295 --> 00:44:28,975
Speaker 5: compliance because you can have to prove that the work

749
00:44:29,095 --> 00:44:31,735
Speaker 5: is done properly as opposed to being able to go

750
00:44:31,775 --> 00:44:36,335
Speaker 5: to the inspection records and finding you know, footing inspection past.

751
00:44:37,655 --> 00:44:40,575
Speaker 5: And realistically that might be about the only one. The

752
00:44:40,615 --> 00:44:42,695
Speaker 5: other big issue that they'll be looking at is how

753
00:44:42,695 --> 00:44:47,255
Speaker 5: the handrail is constructed. There'll be some very specific details

754
00:44:47,295 --> 00:44:51,935
Speaker 5: around how the boundary joist is constructed, how the uprights

755
00:44:52,015 --> 00:44:56,695
Speaker 5: are bolted to that, et cetera, etc. So, again, building consent,

756
00:44:56,855 --> 00:44:58,855
Speaker 5: get a builder to have a look at it, try

757
00:44:58,895 --> 00:45:02,415
Speaker 5: and get as much information as possible. If there's in

758
00:45:02,455 --> 00:45:05,455
Speaker 5: the inspection record there was a final inspection and it

759
00:45:05,535 --> 00:45:08,535
Speaker 5: was a part, that's great. If there was a final

760
00:45:08,575 --> 00:45:11,295
Speaker 5: inspection and there was a fail and then there was

761
00:45:11,335 --> 00:45:15,735
Speaker 5: a remedial list issued, just go through with your builder

762
00:45:15,775 --> 00:45:17,575
Speaker 5: and go, okay, what are the things that we need

763
00:45:17,615 --> 00:45:20,495
Speaker 5: to fix, an extra bolt here or there, whatever, Get

764
00:45:20,535 --> 00:45:23,535
Speaker 5: all of that done, then book a recheck on the

765
00:45:23,535 --> 00:45:28,815
Speaker 5: final inspection. I would suggest it's worth paying your builder

766
00:45:29,735 --> 00:45:33,295
Speaker 5: or a professional to be there with you so that

767
00:45:33,375 --> 00:45:38,495
Speaker 5: they can argue or they can discuss and encourage counsel

768
00:45:38,575 --> 00:45:43,775
Speaker 5: along the right path. If council, then if the final

769
00:45:44,135 --> 00:45:46,295
Speaker 5: if there's a fail on the final inspection and you

770
00:45:46,375 --> 00:45:49,495
Speaker 5: get a recheck and you get a pass, then you

771
00:45:49,575 --> 00:45:57,695
Speaker 5: still need to provide predominantly things like a record of

772
00:45:57,695 --> 00:46:00,615
Speaker 5: works from the carpenter, the LBP who did the work,

773
00:46:01,055 --> 00:46:05,975
Speaker 5: either did or supervised it. That's probably If there's any

774
00:46:06,015 --> 00:46:08,615
Speaker 5: speci engineering in it, you might need to get a

775
00:46:08,615 --> 00:46:11,135
Speaker 5: statement from the engineer to say that the work has

776
00:46:11,175 --> 00:46:15,935
Speaker 5: been done in accordance with their design, and then you

777
00:46:15,975 --> 00:46:18,175
Speaker 5: can put all of that together and get a CCC.

778
00:46:18,695 --> 00:46:22,575
Speaker 5: I'm making it sound really onerous, and it can be,

779
00:46:22,775 --> 00:46:24,775
Speaker 5: but hopefully it doesn't necessarily need to be.

780
00:46:25,855 --> 00:46:28,975
Speaker 11: No, no, I was rare that this might be a

781
00:46:28,975 --> 00:46:31,895
Speaker 11: bit of a drama, but yeah, that kind of makes sense.

782
00:46:31,935 --> 00:46:33,135
Speaker 10: So yeah, I appreciate that.

783
00:46:34,175 --> 00:46:36,215
Speaker 5: I'm always curious as to how these things get on.

784
00:46:36,415 --> 00:46:39,815
Speaker 5: So if you do make some progress, let us know

785
00:46:39,855 --> 00:46:40,415
Speaker 5: how you get on.

786
00:46:40,455 --> 00:46:41,575
Speaker 4: Ah.

787
00:46:41,695 --> 00:46:43,535
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I've listened to you all the time, so

788
00:46:43,575 --> 00:46:44,335
Speaker 11: I'll give you a buzzy.

789
00:46:44,735 --> 00:46:47,615
Speaker 5: Appreciate it. Nice one. All the very best you Sean,

790
00:46:47,775 --> 00:46:51,895
Speaker 5: take care, sir. Bye, way you and B. Twelve minutes

791
00:46:51,935 --> 00:46:54,895
Speaker 5: after seven, Mary Anne, thanks for wading. Good morning to you.

792
00:46:57,055 --> 00:47:02,935
Speaker 12: Hello, Hi, I think Marke made I think my call

793
00:47:03,095 --> 00:47:05,775
Speaker 12: is going to be much more worrying than the previous

794
00:47:05,895 --> 00:47:12,535
Speaker 12: caller and will be more onerous. I am living in

795
00:47:12,575 --> 00:47:17,975
Speaker 12: a family member's home and has become aware that the

796
00:47:18,615 --> 00:47:25,335
Speaker 12: alteration done about twelve to fifteen years ago now to

797
00:47:26,175 --> 00:47:30,215
Speaker 12: remove a wall and open up a kitchen to make

798
00:47:30,255 --> 00:47:37,655
Speaker 12: a fiction diner, and was done without a permit. My

799
00:47:37,855 --> 00:47:42,055
Speaker 12: understanding is that it was was done by a licensed

800
00:47:42,095 --> 00:47:50,815
Speaker 12: builder who used a practicing engineer. But it's a two

801
00:47:50,895 --> 00:47:53,615
Speaker 12: story house and.

802
00:47:54,975 --> 00:48:00,975
Speaker 5: Yeah, the ground wall that was removed, of course.

803
00:48:01,855 --> 00:48:06,535
Speaker 12: So my my consume, my reason for phoning is that

804
00:48:08,015 --> 00:48:11,495
Speaker 12: how do you if the family, if they've always decided

805
00:48:11,535 --> 00:48:15,695
Speaker 12: to sell this house, is it illegal?

806
00:48:18,215 --> 00:48:24,215
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, I certainly understand your concerns, and I

807
00:48:24,255 --> 00:48:27,175
Speaker 5: don't mean to make all of this sound really alarmist,

808
00:48:27,295 --> 00:48:31,815
Speaker 5: but I think what people run into is, let's say,

809
00:48:33,055 --> 00:48:35,935
Speaker 5: like you're aware and you would have to as a

810
00:48:36,015 --> 00:48:39,215
Speaker 5: duty to declare to a real estate agent. Look, I'm

811
00:48:39,255 --> 00:48:41,615
Speaker 5: aware that this work was done and it didn't get

812
00:48:41,655 --> 00:48:47,615
Speaker 5: the appropriate consents, and so it may well be unconsented work.

813
00:48:47,655 --> 00:48:53,855
Speaker 5: It's unlikely that the work would be something that could

814
00:48:53,855 --> 00:48:56,215
Speaker 5: be done under Schedule one of the Act, which allows

815
00:48:56,255 --> 00:48:57,895
Speaker 5: you to do certain types of work on a house

816
00:48:57,935 --> 00:49:01,055
Speaker 5: without necessarily getting a building consent. I think removing a

817
00:49:01,095 --> 00:49:04,855
Speaker 5: ground floor wall typically would always require a building consent,

818
00:49:05,575 --> 00:49:08,935
Speaker 5: so it hasn't been done. The good thing is there

819
00:49:09,015 --> 00:49:12,375
Speaker 5: was an LBP involved. Bad thing is that LBP back

820
00:49:12,415 --> 00:49:14,295
Speaker 5: then should have known that you needed to get a

821
00:49:14,295 --> 00:49:18,455
Speaker 5: building consent. But they did engage with an engineer. So

822
00:49:18,735 --> 00:49:23,695
Speaker 5: potentially there's a pathway where you could provide evidence to

823
00:49:23,815 --> 00:49:27,535
Speaker 5: counsel that would satisfy them that the work was done

824
00:49:27,935 --> 00:49:32,375
Speaker 5: to the standard, and you could apply for a certificate

825
00:49:32,375 --> 00:49:36,255
Speaker 5: of acceptance, but you will have to provide evidence that

826
00:49:36,335 --> 00:49:39,215
Speaker 5: the work was done in accordance with the building code,

827
00:49:40,655 --> 00:49:43,815
Speaker 5: and that's not always an easy process. The other thing

828
00:49:43,895 --> 00:49:47,655
Speaker 5: is that you can do none of that, put the

829
00:49:47,695 --> 00:49:50,295
Speaker 5: property on the market to the best of buy knowledge,

830
00:49:50,935 --> 00:49:53,655
Speaker 5: and just declare that, hey, look there are some issues.

831
00:49:54,055 --> 00:49:57,975
Speaker 5: What you will find though, and again discussions with friends

832
00:49:58,055 --> 00:50:03,535
Speaker 5: over the last little while, is maybe insurers are reluctant

833
00:50:03,535 --> 00:50:08,255
Speaker 5: to ensure or lenders are reluctant to lend on a

834
00:50:08,295 --> 00:50:11,375
Speaker 5: property that they are not sure meets all of the

835
00:50:11,375 --> 00:50:16,735
Speaker 5: code requirements, in which case, you know, you limit your buyers,

836
00:50:16,855 --> 00:50:18,695
Speaker 5: or you're going to have someone who's just going to

837
00:50:18,975 --> 00:50:23,815
Speaker 5: take that non compliance and use that to drive down

838
00:50:23,855 --> 00:50:30,415
Speaker 5: the price so you can sell. But I suppose you'd

839
00:50:30,415 --> 00:50:32,535
Speaker 5: look at it and go, you probably won't get what

840
00:50:32,575 --> 00:50:35,255
Speaker 5: you deserve for the house if you're selling it with

841
00:50:35,615 --> 00:50:37,975
Speaker 5: these issues unresolved.

842
00:50:40,775 --> 00:50:48,735
Speaker 12: But it can the boys can try and get that.

843
00:50:48,775 --> 00:50:52,935
Speaker 5: Oh absolutely absolutely, and it might be something they can

844
00:50:52,975 --> 00:50:56,375
Speaker 5: sort of work their way through themselves, or you could,

845
00:50:56,455 --> 00:51:00,575
Speaker 5: you know, scout around and find possibly an LBP or

846
00:51:00,615 --> 00:51:06,255
Speaker 5: more likely actually a building server who would come on board.

847
00:51:06,415 --> 00:51:09,735
Speaker 5: They do an assessment, they request all of the documents

848
00:51:09,775 --> 00:51:13,455
Speaker 5: from council. They try and find copies. You know, if

849
00:51:15,135 --> 00:51:16,975
Speaker 5: do you think that the person who had the work

850
00:51:17,015 --> 00:51:19,175
Speaker 5: done or who was kind of in charge at the

851
00:51:19,215 --> 00:51:24,055
Speaker 5: time would have kept things like notes or drawings from

852
00:51:24,095 --> 00:51:28,335
Speaker 5: the engineer, would the LBP still be available, and would

853
00:51:28,375 --> 00:51:31,295
Speaker 5: they have any records. You know, we're not talking ancient history.

854
00:51:31,335 --> 00:51:36,455
Speaker 5: It's only twelve years ago. You know. Again, if they

855
00:51:36,455 --> 00:51:38,695
Speaker 5: can provide you with some evidence that the work was

856
00:51:38,695 --> 00:51:42,575
Speaker 5: done properly, you could present that council along with probably

857
00:51:42,655 --> 00:51:45,135
Speaker 5: what they're One of the things that most likely to

858
00:51:45,215 --> 00:51:48,015
Speaker 5: request is an updated plan of the house. So you

859
00:51:48,095 --> 00:51:50,575
Speaker 5: need to get a drafts person or an architect to

860
00:51:50,695 --> 00:51:53,335
Speaker 5: draw it and show it as it actually is today.

861
00:51:54,055 --> 00:51:56,215
Speaker 5: There's a number of hoops to jump through, but it's

862
00:51:56,215 --> 00:52:04,775
Speaker 5: not impossible, right, thank you. Yeah, but it's gird your loins.

863
00:52:05,055 --> 00:52:12,815
Speaker 5: It is quite the process, all right, on board. Yeah,

864
00:52:12,855 --> 00:52:15,295
Speaker 5: that's right, that's right, all right, all the the best.

865
00:52:15,375 --> 00:52:18,655
Speaker 5: You take care, see Mary and Baba. Then it's an

866
00:52:18,695 --> 00:52:20,935
Speaker 5: old phrase that lots of people will understand what the

867
00:52:20,975 --> 00:52:24,975
Speaker 5: context is. Pete read the wall removed in a two

868
00:52:25,055 --> 00:52:28,495
Speaker 5: story building, an engineer out Trump's building, inspector every day

869
00:52:28,535 --> 00:52:31,215
Speaker 5: of the week. Surely that may well be true, Muzz.

870
00:52:31,775 --> 00:52:36,095
Speaker 5: But an engineer who's done some calcs on a building

871
00:52:36,175 --> 00:52:38,895
Speaker 5: but didn't doesn't mean that you don't need a building consent.

872
00:52:39,295 --> 00:52:43,175
Speaker 5: That's what it comes down to. Oh, wait, one eighty

873
00:52:43,175 --> 00:52:44,975
Speaker 5: the number to call. Quite a couple of texts, and

874
00:52:44,975 --> 00:52:47,215
Speaker 5: we'll take a short break before we talk to Marie Pete.

875
00:52:47,295 --> 00:52:50,575
Speaker 5: Do stainless steel shower trays have a finer life? The

876
00:52:50,615 --> 00:52:52,455
Speaker 5: one in my house is at least forty years old

877
00:52:52,535 --> 00:52:57,615
Speaker 5: and has always been dried after use, the the rest

878
00:52:57,615 --> 00:53:00,095
Speaker 5: of the text disappears or the underside of the house

879
00:53:00,175 --> 00:53:04,615
Speaker 5: is dry. To be fair, I can't think of a

880
00:53:04,735 --> 00:53:07,495
Speaker 5: failure that I've ever encounter with a stainless se or

881
00:53:07,495 --> 00:53:11,055
Speaker 5: shower tray. Maybe, if you like, if you're working with

882
00:53:11,095 --> 00:53:12,975
Speaker 5: a drill above it and you dropped it and it

883
00:53:13,015 --> 00:53:16,815
Speaker 5: went through the stainless, But otherwise, not to be fair,

884
00:53:16,895 --> 00:53:21,615
Speaker 5: they're pretty indestructible, so no, I think they last a

885
00:53:21,735 --> 00:53:24,975
Speaker 5: long long time. Morning Pete. Hearing you talk about the

886
00:53:25,015 --> 00:53:27,975
Speaker 5: unsigned ccs, why is it that so many new builds

887
00:53:27,975 --> 00:53:31,775
Speaker 5: are not signed off? And then the text goes on

888
00:53:31,855 --> 00:53:38,295
Speaker 5: something about councils. So the current require as I understand it,

889
00:53:38,335 --> 00:53:42,735
Speaker 5: and I'm open to some discussion around the veracity of this.

890
00:53:42,855 --> 00:53:48,415
Speaker 5: Let's say, if you are a developer or a builder

891
00:53:48,455 --> 00:53:52,895
Speaker 5: who's a developer and you're building houses to sell, so

892
00:53:53,255 --> 00:53:57,255
Speaker 5: you're essentially a developer speculator, and you've done's say, a

893
00:53:57,295 --> 00:54:00,415
Speaker 5: townhouse development, and you've got it on the market because

894
00:54:00,615 --> 00:54:04,135
Speaker 5: your intent is to sell the property for profit, that's

895
00:54:04,175 --> 00:54:09,175
Speaker 5: your business. The building must have CCC in order to sell. If,

896
00:54:09,215 --> 00:54:12,735
Speaker 5: for example, you're a homeowner and you've had you've built

897
00:54:12,775 --> 00:54:16,855
Speaker 5: your own house and you've managed all the contractors, or

898
00:54:16,895 --> 00:54:20,055
Speaker 5: if you're a homeowner and you've had extensive renovations or

899
00:54:20,095 --> 00:54:23,935
Speaker 5: renovations done which require a building consent, you're responsible for

900
00:54:23,975 --> 00:54:28,055
Speaker 5: getting the CCC. If you don't do it, then those

901
00:54:28,095 --> 00:54:33,135
Speaker 5: properties are the ones that will sometimes end up going

902
00:54:33,175 --> 00:54:37,375
Speaker 5: back on the market, going to market without the CCC. So,

903
00:54:38,295 --> 00:54:43,535
Speaker 5: but I'm very aware that all developers must get a

904
00:54:43,575 --> 00:54:48,575
Speaker 5: CCC before they can sell the houses. Actually, this is

905
00:54:48,575 --> 00:54:50,695
Speaker 5: an interesting one too, just on Marianne's before we go

906
00:54:50,775 --> 00:54:54,775
Speaker 5: to the break, someone has suggested just put the wall back,

907
00:54:57,175 --> 00:54:59,495
Speaker 5: and that might be the path of least resistance, isn't it.

908
00:54:59,775 --> 00:55:02,255
Speaker 5: If the wall's been removed, and that's an issue. Put

909
00:55:02,255 --> 00:55:07,655
Speaker 5: the wall back. Good thinking. I like you thinking, Bill,

910
00:55:07,775 --> 00:55:10,015
Speaker 5: Thank you for that. Simple solutions are often the best

911
00:55:10,015 --> 00:55:13,775
Speaker 5: onesday twenty minutes after seven. Will take your calls, Oh

912
00:55:13,815 --> 00:55:15,495
Speaker 5: eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

913
00:55:15,935 --> 00:55:19,775
Speaker 1: Helping you get those DIY projects done right. The resident

914
00:55:19,855 --> 00:55:22,935
Speaker 1: builder with peta wolfcat call. Oh eight hundred eighty ten

915
00:55:22,975 --> 00:55:24,295
Speaker 1: eighty US talk zedb.

916
00:55:25,295 --> 00:55:29,735
Speaker 5: You on new Talks edb someone else's text through a

917
00:55:29,775 --> 00:55:32,855
Speaker 5: story that appeared in the newspaper this week about ko

918
00:55:33,095 --> 00:55:36,855
Speaker 5: kind of spending seven or eight million dollars on some

919
00:55:36,935 --> 00:55:40,255
Speaker 5: new one bedroom container style homes that were imported from

920
00:55:40,295 --> 00:55:44,495
Speaker 5: off shore. How can it be? Where are the efficiencies

921
00:55:44,775 --> 00:55:47,215
Speaker 5: we'd be better off buying motor homes. I don't agree

922
00:55:47,255 --> 00:55:50,295
Speaker 5: with you there, David, but yes, that's worthy of discussion

923
00:55:50,335 --> 00:55:52,095
Speaker 5: as well. We might get round to that. Oh eight

924
00:55:52,215 --> 00:55:56,255
Speaker 5: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number. Call and Marie,

925
00:55:56,495 --> 00:55:57,455
Speaker 5: good morning to you.

926
00:55:58,575 --> 00:56:00,455
Speaker 6: Good morning, Pea, Hey there, how are you doing.

927
00:56:01,535 --> 00:56:05,055
Speaker 13: I'm good, thank you. I've got a question about retaining walls,

928
00:56:05,175 --> 00:56:08,255
Speaker 13: but I'll just give you some context around my issue.

929
00:56:09,775 --> 00:56:13,495
Speaker 13: I'm in Auckland on a residential large lot zone, and

930
00:56:13,855 --> 00:56:17,335
Speaker 13: my neighbor has excavated on the boundary, making a one

931
00:56:17,415 --> 00:56:20,575
Speaker 13: meter cut from the boundary and a depth of two

932
00:56:20,615 --> 00:56:24,655
Speaker 13: and a half meters. The land on the boundary is slipping,

933
00:56:25,055 --> 00:56:29,935
Speaker 13: so I contacted council. Two compliance officers came out and

934
00:56:29,975 --> 00:56:33,015
Speaker 13: did them had hot measurements from my side of the property,

935
00:56:33,855 --> 00:56:37,495
Speaker 13: and then their boss emailed me consuming that no breach

936
00:56:37,535 --> 00:56:41,535
Speaker 13: has been identified and the file was closed based on

937
00:56:41,615 --> 00:56:45,095
Speaker 13: the following So I'll just quote the cut was measured

938
00:56:45,095 --> 00:56:49,655
Speaker 13: at approximately three meters from the boundary fence and two

939
00:56:49,855 --> 00:56:53,135
Speaker 13: the land disturbance is far enough away from the boundary

940
00:56:53,175 --> 00:56:55,735
Speaker 13: line and the height of the cut is not such

941
00:56:55,775 --> 00:57:01,295
Speaker 13: as to raise concerns around stability at the boundary. I

942
00:57:01,415 --> 00:57:04,215
Speaker 13: wasn't happy with this pete, so I decided to engage

943
00:57:04,255 --> 00:57:05,975
Speaker 13: the services of my own engineer.

944
00:57:06,615 --> 00:57:08,735
Speaker 7: He visited did a report.

945
00:57:08,415 --> 00:57:11,815
Speaker 13: For me confirming that the cutters one meter from the

946
00:57:11,855 --> 00:57:14,335
Speaker 13: boundary and the depth is two and a half meters,

947
00:57:14,895 --> 00:57:18,815
Speaker 13: and he stated that a retaining war is required. I

948
00:57:18,935 --> 00:57:21,855
Speaker 13: went back to the senior compliance officer and as the

949
00:57:22,015 --> 00:57:25,855
Speaker 13: council would revisit the site and redo their measurements, and

950
00:57:25,935 --> 00:57:30,015
Speaker 13: that I've conducted my own engineer's report and the measurements

951
00:57:30,055 --> 00:57:34,615
Speaker 13: differ from what council has said, and the compliance officer

952
00:57:34,695 --> 00:57:40,415
Speaker 13: replied instead their compliance. Their compliance officers are trained to

953
00:57:40,495 --> 00:57:45,575
Speaker 13: investigate and a best compliance with the relevant legislation. We're

954
00:57:45,575 --> 00:57:50,655
Speaker 13: not qualified land surveyors with geotechnical engineers. Councils simply do

955
00:57:50,775 --> 00:57:55,055
Speaker 13: not have the resources to provide specialist input on the

956
00:57:55,135 --> 00:57:59,135
Speaker 13: multitude of cases that we deal with. Produced supplier copy

957
00:57:59,215 --> 00:58:03,095
Speaker 13: of the engineer's reports. So Pete, I wasn't prepared to

958
00:58:03,175 --> 00:58:06,575
Speaker 13: share the report for a couple of reasons. It was

959
00:58:06,615 --> 00:58:09,535
Speaker 13: prepared for me, and I paid definitely, I'd paid a

960
00:58:09,615 --> 00:58:12,895
Speaker 13: sizable amount of for it, and I also felt that

961
00:58:13,055 --> 00:58:16,735
Speaker 13: council should have actually done their job properly and got

962
00:58:16,775 --> 00:58:22,095
Speaker 13: the measurements right. So since then, the land has continued

963
00:58:22,135 --> 00:58:25,695
Speaker 13: to slip and the neighbors now sand bagged the boundary.

964
00:58:26,575 --> 00:58:31,255
Speaker 13: So I escalated the matter to the team leader Compliance

965
00:58:31,295 --> 00:58:35,615
Speaker 13: and all Aukland, and he responded and said Council's position

966
00:58:35,775 --> 00:58:39,375
Speaker 13: is still the same the style of clothes. Council don't

967
00:58:39,415 --> 00:58:44,335
Speaker 13: contract engineering or geotechnical advice. We reserve this suspense for

968
00:58:44,495 --> 00:58:48,135
Speaker 13: serious cases. Re Enforcement action at the upper limit would

969
00:58:48,135 --> 00:58:52,095
Speaker 13: be entered into Any further information with relation to this

970
00:58:52,295 --> 00:58:56,215
Speaker 13: site will always be appreciated, although we may.

971
00:58:56,095 --> 00:58:57,175
Speaker 6: Not reply to it.

972
00:58:59,295 --> 00:58:59,695
Speaker 8: I pay.

973
00:58:59,775 --> 00:59:02,815
Speaker 13: My question is what can I do to prevent any

974
00:59:02,855 --> 00:59:06,615
Speaker 13: more of my land slipping away? I can't engage with

975
00:59:06,695 --> 00:59:10,895
Speaker 13: the neighbor. It's not a reasonable to deal with. Can

976
00:59:10,935 --> 00:59:15,095
Speaker 13: I don't want to go down the legal route. So

977
00:59:15,335 --> 00:59:18,335
Speaker 13: I could build a retaining wall and put the big

978
00:59:18,415 --> 00:59:22,575
Speaker 13: post on the inside of the boundary on my side.

979
00:59:22,335 --> 00:59:29,655
Speaker 5: I yes, you could. Let's just go back to council's response, right,

980
00:59:31,375 --> 00:59:36,695
Speaker 5: I mean, listening to what you're saying, it seems like

981
00:59:37,095 --> 00:59:41,015
Speaker 5: what the council compliance officers, and they'd be like resource

982
00:59:41,055 --> 00:59:44,735
Speaker 5: consents compliance monitoring officers, right, who might have come out,

983
00:59:45,335 --> 00:59:47,815
Speaker 5: had a look at it and made their determination that

984
00:59:48,135 --> 00:59:54,015
Speaker 5: what they've measured versus what your engineer has measured staggeringly different. Right,

985
00:59:54,615 --> 00:59:59,775
Speaker 5: So unless something's significantly changed, I'm struggling to understand how

986
00:59:59,855 --> 01:00:03,415
Speaker 5: one person's measurements are so different to another. And even

987
01:00:03,455 --> 01:00:06,935
Speaker 5: if the council officer is not any engineer or a

988
01:00:07,055 --> 01:00:12,455
Speaker 5: land surveyor you know, measurements a measurements, right, It's I'm

989
01:00:12,455 --> 01:00:15,095
Speaker 5: staggered by that. Part of me is not surprised but

990
01:00:15,135 --> 01:00:18,655
Speaker 5: I'm still just a little bit staggered. I wonder whether

991
01:00:19,655 --> 01:00:23,815
Speaker 5: the fact that you've engaged a professional geotech engineer who

992
01:00:23,895 --> 01:00:28,695
Speaker 5: has provided you with evidence that there is work that's

993
01:00:28,735 --> 01:00:32,055
Speaker 5: been done that should require a retaining wall, et cetera.

994
01:00:32,375 --> 01:00:34,935
Speaker 5: I mean, if you're talking about from your boundary one

995
01:00:35,015 --> 01:00:38,135
Speaker 5: meter into your neighbor's property, they've excavated down two and

996
01:00:38,135 --> 01:00:39,655
Speaker 5: a half meters, is that what you're saying?

997
01:00:39,775 --> 01:00:42,535
Speaker 13: That's right? And it fills up like a swimming pool, piez,

998
01:00:42,655 --> 01:00:45,415
Speaker 13: So in the winter, I get that worried about children.

999
01:00:46,135 --> 01:00:48,815
Speaker 13: I haven't got children, but any child in there, it

1000
01:00:48,895 --> 01:00:50,415
Speaker 13: fills up like a swimming pool.

1001
01:00:50,575 --> 01:00:58,495
Speaker 5: So, and that bank is unretained, No.

1002
01:00:57,775 --> 01:01:01,015
Speaker 13: No retaining whatsoever in the sense there is just a

1003
01:01:01,015 --> 01:01:02,735
Speaker 13: wire and a batt in sense.

1004
01:01:02,695 --> 01:01:13,495
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I mean on any number of metrics. You know, everybody,

1005
01:01:13,615 --> 01:01:16,215
Speaker 5: anyone listening to the show who's got any sort of

1006
01:01:16,215 --> 01:01:20,055
Speaker 5: practical knowledge or insight into this will go. Of course,

1007
01:01:20,055 --> 01:01:23,175
Speaker 5: that requires a retaining wall. I'm just wondering whether before

1008
01:01:23,215 --> 01:01:25,815
Speaker 5: it gets closed out. I think the response from council

1009
01:01:25,935 --> 01:01:28,655
Speaker 5: is not up to part, not up to stand it.

1010
01:01:29,615 --> 01:01:35,295
Speaker 5: I think that if have you forwarded to counsel the

1011
01:01:35,375 --> 01:01:38,815
Speaker 5: letter from the engineer and the opinion from the engineer.

1012
01:01:39,855 --> 01:01:43,815
Speaker 13: No, I didn't. I felt my position was they should

1013
01:01:43,855 --> 01:01:45,695
Speaker 13: come out and re measure.

1014
01:01:45,815 --> 01:01:48,335
Speaker 5: Because when the yeah, no, I think you've got to

1015
01:01:48,375 --> 01:01:50,655
Speaker 5: take the upper hand. I would suggest you take the

1016
01:01:50,695 --> 01:01:53,375
Speaker 5: upper hand. So with the consent of the engineer who's

1017
01:01:53,415 --> 01:01:56,975
Speaker 5: prepared the report for you, and in fact, I would

1018
01:01:57,015 --> 01:02:00,335
Speaker 5: possibly get the engineer to act on your behalf to

1019
01:02:00,455 --> 01:02:06,695
Speaker 5: send a letter as a you know engineer CPI NZ

1020
01:02:07,055 --> 01:02:09,775
Speaker 5: you know Certified Professional Engineers DA DA DA DA DA,

1021
01:02:10,495 --> 01:02:13,255
Speaker 5: send that directly to the person who said no further

1022
01:02:13,335 --> 01:02:17,415
Speaker 5: action required, with a letter saying I've done this investigation.

1023
01:02:17,735 --> 01:02:20,975
Speaker 5: These are my findings. I believe that the work does

1024
01:02:21,055 --> 01:02:26,575
Speaker 5: require a engineering or it does require a retaining wall.

1025
01:02:26,975 --> 01:02:29,175
Speaker 5: I think the council need to act on this because

1026
01:02:29,175 --> 01:02:32,375
Speaker 5: the person has done work that they're not not allowed

1027
01:02:32,415 --> 01:02:36,175
Speaker 5: to do without having a building consent, and then the

1028
01:02:36,455 --> 01:02:40,535
Speaker 5: professional weight of their opinion should prompt counsel to take

1029
01:02:40,655 --> 01:02:45,095
Speaker 5: some action. So I would that would be the next way.

1030
01:02:46,215 --> 01:02:48,895
Speaker 13: When the two boys came out to do the initial measurements,

1031
01:02:49,935 --> 01:02:52,575
Speaker 13: they sort of just splid the tape measure from my

1032
01:02:52,815 --> 01:02:55,135
Speaker 13: side over to the end and really do a good

1033
01:02:55,535 --> 01:02:58,255
Speaker 13: you know, I didn't think it was a quality service.

1034
01:02:59,175 --> 01:02:59,375
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1035
01:02:59,775 --> 01:03:02,775
Speaker 5: Look, either way, I think the fact that you've engaged

1036
01:03:02,815 --> 01:03:07,695
Speaker 5: a professional engineer to undertake the serve and determine what

1037
01:03:08,135 --> 01:03:13,495
Speaker 5: should happen. I would send that to counsel and go, hey, look,

1038
01:03:14,175 --> 01:03:18,015
Speaker 5: appreciate what you're saying, but I've engaged this professional and

1039
01:03:18,335 --> 01:03:21,615
Speaker 5: their opinion is that it does require a consent or

1040
01:03:21,615 --> 01:03:25,335
Speaker 5: it does more importantly, the neighbor's got to shore up

1041
01:03:25,375 --> 01:03:29,575
Speaker 5: their property, right. So it's really clear in the legislation

1042
01:03:29,855 --> 01:03:33,335
Speaker 5: if you're doing an excavation of more than one point

1043
01:03:33,415 --> 01:03:36,375
Speaker 5: five meters, certainly if you're within a meter of the boundary,

1044
01:03:37,095 --> 01:03:39,375
Speaker 5: it's what they call a line of inference, right, So

1045
01:03:39,895 --> 01:03:42,295
Speaker 5: from the bottom of their cut for forty five degrees.

1046
01:03:42,375 --> 01:03:46,295
Speaker 5: Anything above that line is unstable. So if you're one

1047
01:03:46,335 --> 01:03:48,895
Speaker 5: meter out and two and a half meters down, then

1048
01:03:48,935 --> 01:03:52,095
Speaker 5: a big chunk of your land becomes destabilized by the

1049
01:03:52,135 --> 01:03:56,415
Speaker 5: neighbor's action. That's not permissible, right, It's even I can

1050
01:03:56,455 --> 01:03:59,935
Speaker 5: tell you that. So I think send the documents from

1051
01:03:59,975 --> 01:04:02,575
Speaker 5: the engineer with their permission to counsel and see what

1052
01:04:02,615 --> 01:04:03,335
Speaker 5: the response is.

1053
01:04:04,655 --> 01:04:05,295
Speaker 13: Right, thank you?

1054
01:04:05,535 --> 01:04:08,735
Speaker 5: Y alrighty, all the very best. Okay, you take care,

1055
01:04:08,895 --> 01:04:16,815
Speaker 5: see you then. Crikey, crikey, crikey, crikey. That's quite Pete

1056
01:04:16,975 --> 01:04:19,775
Speaker 5: says the Texter. Sounds like council got the measurements around

1057
01:04:19,775 --> 01:04:25,615
Speaker 5: the wrong way. But how, I mean, seriously, how it's

1058
01:04:25,655 --> 01:04:29,855
Speaker 5: a vast difference in two people measuring exactly the same

1059
01:04:29,895 --> 01:04:38,895
Speaker 5: thing and basically getting it completely round the wrong way. Staggering. Um,

1060
01:04:40,935 --> 01:04:43,815
Speaker 5: we're talking a bit about load bearing walls or non

1061
01:04:43,855 --> 01:04:46,895
Speaker 5: load bearing walls. In this instance, here we have a

1062
01:04:47,055 --> 01:04:49,935
Speaker 5: non load bearing wall in a two story complex which

1063
01:04:49,975 --> 01:04:53,135
Speaker 5: the registered engineer was permitted to be able to remove

1064
01:04:53,215 --> 01:04:57,335
Speaker 5: most of it without notif of it with notification to

1065
01:04:57,415 --> 01:05:00,855
Speaker 5: counsel of the change. Well, that's interesting. Look, if it's

1066
01:05:00,895 --> 01:05:04,775
Speaker 5: not load bearing, and you've had professional advice as to

1067
01:05:04,895 --> 01:05:07,215
Speaker 5: why it's not, you just to say that's not load

1068
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Speaker 5: bearing with no knowledge or or planning, then yeah, you

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01:05:14,015 --> 01:05:16,175
Speaker 5: can remove a load bearing wall, but you just have

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01:05:16,295 --> 01:05:19,095
Speaker 5: to get your documentation right. You have to get some

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01:05:19,255 --> 01:05:22,215
Speaker 5: evidence that that's the case, and then you could argue

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Speaker 5: that that work can be done undershed you one of

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01:05:25,135 --> 01:05:28,895
Speaker 5: the act, but you still need the professional to work

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01:05:28,935 --> 01:05:33,095
Speaker 5: through that. Oh eight hundred eighty the number to call Mansh.

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Speaker 5: Good morning to you, Good morning, Good morning, Minish. How

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01:05:37,455 --> 01:05:37,775
Speaker 5: are you.

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Speaker 6: I'm good and good, thank you. Mans I have a

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01:05:45,495 --> 01:05:51,895
Speaker 6: question on the insurance. I live in an unit of

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01:05:51,935 --> 01:05:57,175
Speaker 6: a title in an apartment complex where the body corporate

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01:05:57,295 --> 01:06:01,695
Speaker 6: has covered the standard insurance, plus they have an additional

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01:06:01,815 --> 01:06:07,815
Speaker 6: cover on landlord chattels and the loss of friends. The

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01:06:08,735 --> 01:06:12,855
Speaker 6: problem is that the apartment has caught a mix of

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01:06:13,255 --> 01:06:18,935
Speaker 6: owner occupied and the rental units. Now they charge the

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01:06:18,975 --> 01:06:23,335
Speaker 6: basia is charging everyone the same amount of money, and

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Speaker 6: I asked them whether it is compulsory to cover the

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01:06:27,935 --> 01:06:32,375
Speaker 6: landlord chattels and loss of rent because it's basically oriented

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Speaker 6: towards the rental properties. He came back to me and

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01:06:38,535 --> 01:06:44,775
Speaker 6: said that the insurance doesn't charge anything additional, which obviously

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01:06:44,815 --> 01:06:48,375
Speaker 6: you can't believe that. And the second thing is they

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01:06:48,895 --> 01:06:52,655
Speaker 6: are not very clear whether it is legally required to

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01:06:52,815 --> 01:06:58,495
Speaker 6: cover the landlord chattels and loss of rent by the

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Speaker 6: body corporate. So I just wanted to have a clarity

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Speaker 6: on whether it is legally required cover these two things

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01:07:09,055 --> 01:07:10,055
Speaker 6: by the body corporate.

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Speaker 5: I'll be really honest and say it's not my area

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01:07:15,015 --> 01:07:19,535
Speaker 5: of expertise. I think that you know body corporates. Unfortunately,

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01:07:21,775 --> 01:07:24,735
Speaker 5: you don't have to talk to many people around this

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01:07:24,815 --> 01:07:28,895
Speaker 5: issue before you realize that body corporates can be somewhat

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01:07:28,975 --> 01:07:35,055
Speaker 5: night maarish that in some cases the actual agreements are

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01:07:35,095 --> 01:07:39,455
Speaker 5: not particularly good or the management thereof is not particularly good.

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01:07:40,735 --> 01:07:42,895
Speaker 5: I guess I'd look at it and go, it's a

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01:07:42,935 --> 01:07:47,335
Speaker 5: little bit curious that you, as an owner occupier, are paying.

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01:07:47,615 --> 01:07:51,295
Speaker 5: You're right, it's hard to imagine that somehow your premium

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01:07:51,375 --> 01:07:55,615
Speaker 5: isn't subsidizing someone who might be an owner of a

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01:07:55,655 --> 01:08:01,135
Speaker 5: property for rental purposes, and you're then subsidizing their insurance

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01:08:01,335 --> 01:08:04,295
Speaker 5: in case they don't have any tenants in there and

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01:08:04,615 --> 01:08:09,255
Speaker 5: or they lose rental income from it, and you, as

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01:08:09,255 --> 01:08:12,055
Speaker 5: an owner occupy, why would you want to subsidize that.

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01:08:13,455 --> 01:08:16,575
Speaker 5: You know, if you're occupying the property, then that's of

1110
01:08:16,615 --> 01:08:19,415
Speaker 5: no concern to you what your neighbor might do with it.

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01:08:21,695 --> 01:08:24,455
Speaker 5: I think in the end it'll be you'd have to

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01:08:24,535 --> 01:08:28,335
Speaker 5: go through the actual body corporate agreement and it possibly

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01:08:28,375 --> 01:08:32,015
Speaker 5: it's in there, in which case you, by purchasing and

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01:08:32,135 --> 01:08:34,575
Speaker 5: agreeing to be part of the body corporate, have agreed

1115
01:08:34,575 --> 01:08:37,615
Speaker 5: to it, even if it's news to you now or

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01:08:37,815 --> 01:08:39,815
Speaker 5: it's not in there, in which case you could try

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01:08:39,855 --> 01:08:43,415
Speaker 5: and argue that well, my insurance premiums and all of

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01:08:43,495 --> 01:08:46,975
Speaker 5: us who are owner occupiers should be slightly different than

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01:08:47,015 --> 01:08:50,975
Speaker 5: those people who are landlords. But it'll be in the detail,

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Speaker 5: you know what. To some degree what my opinion is

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01:08:55,495 --> 01:08:57,815
Speaker 5: kind of irrelevant. It'll be there in the body corporate.

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Speaker 6: They checked up the body corporate agreement, which they gave

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01:09:01,415 --> 01:09:04,095
Speaker 6: me a letter when it was you, Yes, it doesn't

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Speaker 6: say anything about that. And the other thing is when

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01:09:09,775 --> 01:09:13,215
Speaker 6: when we had a chat they said, now we can't.

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Speaker 6: We don't the picture. Let know which is owner of

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01:09:16,255 --> 01:09:19,135
Speaker 6: which is rental, but everybody has to share. It's the

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01:09:19,255 --> 01:09:24,535
Speaker 6: kind of en hands of it's required and probably I'm

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01:09:24,575 --> 01:09:28,735
Speaker 6: not sure whether it is legally required or would would

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01:09:28,735 --> 01:09:33,655
Speaker 6: be the other options. Probably should we go and ask

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01:09:33,735 --> 01:09:35,255
Speaker 6: somebody's legally.

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Speaker 5: I'm a bit curious about that too. I would have

1133
01:09:38,375 --> 01:09:44,455
Speaker 5: thought that in a body corporate, the body corporate administrators,

1134
01:09:44,495 --> 01:09:47,335
Speaker 5: and that might be someone in house as in members.

1135
01:09:47,455 --> 01:09:50,535
Speaker 5: You know, people that occupy the building form the body corporate,

1136
01:09:50,695 --> 01:09:54,255
Speaker 5: or maybe there's a body corporate structure that exists outside

1137
01:09:54,455 --> 01:09:57,095
Speaker 5: of the people that occupy. You'd want to have some

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01:09:57,175 --> 01:10:02,615
Speaker 5: insight as to how many apartments within the complex are

1139
01:10:02,735 --> 01:10:06,735
Speaker 5: owner occupied or rental and in some cases, because you know,

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01:10:06,775 --> 01:10:09,255
Speaker 5: I know that some body corporates, for example, have an

1141
01:10:09,255 --> 01:10:13,695
Speaker 5: agreement whereby they'll exclude people who want to do you know,

1142
01:10:13,735 --> 01:10:16,655
Speaker 5: short term lets, airbn B and the like, because they

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01:10:16,655 --> 01:10:20,375
Speaker 5: don't want the building occupied in that way, so there'll

1144
01:10:20,375 --> 01:10:26,295
Speaker 5: be an exclusion clause or yeah, look again it is

1145
01:10:26,615 --> 01:10:30,175
Speaker 5: it's a legal and sort of academic matter rather than

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01:10:30,375 --> 01:10:32,495
Speaker 5: a practical one. I think you're going to have to

1147
01:10:32,495 --> 01:10:34,895
Speaker 5: look through the body corporate and potentially you're going to

1148
01:10:34,975 --> 01:10:37,295
Speaker 5: end up having to get your own legal advices to

1149
01:10:38,535 --> 01:10:41,135
Speaker 5: what you're responsible for and whether or not the body

1150
01:10:41,175 --> 01:10:44,735
Speaker 5: corporate is being administered in the way that it's intended to.

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01:10:45,615 --> 01:10:47,695
Speaker 5: And that sounds like another issue that you can have

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01:10:47,735 --> 01:10:52,255
Speaker 5: to deal with there. I wish you well with that. Yeah,

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01:10:52,335 --> 01:10:55,535
Speaker 5: good luck on that. Thanks finish. It is seven thirty

1154
01:10:55,575 --> 01:10:58,455
Speaker 5: eight almost in fact, right now it is seven thirty nine.

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01:10:58,495 --> 01:11:00,375
Speaker 5: We'll take a short break. We'll be back with John

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01:11:00,535 --> 01:11:01,415
Speaker 5: after the break.

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Speaker 1: Wants measure twice, God wants but maybe call Pete first.

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01:11:05,495 --> 01:11:09,215
Speaker 1: Video All gab the resident Builder News Talk said, be you.

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01:11:09,295 --> 01:11:11,655
Speaker 5: And News Talks they'd be. We're talking, well, we're talking

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01:11:12,015 --> 01:11:15,255
Speaker 5: a lot of talk this morning about cccs, about compliance,

1161
01:11:15,335 --> 01:11:18,815
Speaker 5: and in this particular instance from Marie's call earlier on,

1162
01:11:19,655 --> 01:11:22,295
Speaker 5: essentially about a rogue neighbor who's gone and done some

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01:11:22,375 --> 01:11:28,815
Speaker 5: excavations within reasonable proximity to her boundary and at a

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01:11:28,855 --> 01:11:32,695
Speaker 5: depth that I think would require a retaining wall. So

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01:11:32,815 --> 01:11:34,655
Speaker 5: that's what we're talking about a little bit this morning

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01:11:34,735 --> 01:11:36,855
Speaker 5: on the program as well. John, Hey, how you doing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good morning, John. I'd like to after I've talked

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01:11:42,495 --> 01:11:45,575
Speaker 2: about this other one, I'd like to just have a

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01:11:45,655 --> 01:11:51,335
Speaker 2: quick say about livery thoughts and lawyers. Yes, this one,

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01:11:51,495 --> 01:11:52,815
Speaker 2: the core before the one.

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Speaker 5: It's the retaining wall or the lack of retaining wall

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01:11:57,175 --> 01:11:57,815
Speaker 5: on the boundary.

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Speaker 2: Now, you know, everybody knows the requirements for a retaining

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01:12:02,335 --> 01:12:06,655
Speaker 2: wall to start with, and as well as that, some

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01:12:06,415 --> 01:12:10,415
Speaker 2: some officers came out and they took some measurements. Now now, now,

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01:12:10,535 --> 01:12:14,375
Speaker 2: surely it was to defining the boundary. If I was

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Speaker 2: that lady, I might be wrong here, But if I

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Speaker 2: was that lady, I would I would get a server

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Speaker 2: and I would actually define with boundary peats, sure, the

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Speaker 2: actual boundary line. That's what I would get and then

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01:12:30,695 --> 01:12:34,375
Speaker 2: if she if she's if she's done that and she's

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01:12:34,415 --> 01:12:37,775
Speaker 2: proved to be right coming out taking a few measurements,

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01:12:39,335 --> 01:12:42,735
Speaker 2: if she's proved to be right, then she can also

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01:12:43,495 --> 01:12:48,935
Speaker 2: then get an engineer to design the appropriate retaining wall

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01:12:50,255 --> 01:12:53,055
Speaker 2: and shee's on the right side, then as well, now

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01:12:53,215 --> 01:12:55,895
Speaker 2: she can put that to the council and they can't

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01:12:56,495 --> 01:12:59,455
Speaker 2: deny that, and she could end up having this road

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01:12:59,535 --> 01:13:02,295
Speaker 2: neighbor having to pay for the whole bloody lot. It's

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Speaker 2: a matter about getting facts and figures.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right, And that's that's where I'm saying to her.

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01:13:06,655 --> 01:13:10,015
Speaker 5: You know, rather than do anything yourself at this stage,

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01:13:10,215 --> 01:13:12,695
Speaker 5: you know you'd go back to counsel and go, hey,

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01:13:12,815 --> 01:13:16,135
Speaker 5: here's okay. So if you're not a professional, I've engaged

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01:13:16,175 --> 01:13:19,415
Speaker 5: a professional, being the engineer who has come done some

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01:13:19,455 --> 01:13:22,815
Speaker 5: site measurements determined that it does require a retaining wall

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01:13:23,175 --> 01:13:26,735
Speaker 5: which obviously hasn't been built. Therefore you do need to act.

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01:13:26,975 --> 01:13:28,935
Speaker 5: You can't just go I'm sorry, we're not going to

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01:13:28,975 --> 01:13:30,615
Speaker 5: do anything, Peter.

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Speaker 2: You've still got to define if they came out and

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01:13:33,895 --> 01:13:34,975
Speaker 2: took some measurements.

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01:13:35,095 --> 01:13:36,215
Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, you've got to.

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01:13:36,175 --> 01:13:39,815
Speaker 2: Define the boundary line. To know exactly where the cut

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01:13:39,935 --> 01:13:41,775
Speaker 2: is in relation to the boundary life.

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01:13:42,095 --> 01:13:44,415
Speaker 5: I mean, there is a fence, and so typically we

1205
01:13:44,535 --> 01:13:46,895
Speaker 5: tend to go, oh, the fence is the boundary. Now

1206
01:13:46,935 --> 01:13:49,695
Speaker 5: I know that not all fences are on the boundary, right,

1207
01:13:49,775 --> 01:13:52,935
Speaker 5: So you're right. If she's going to push further on that,

1208
01:13:53,015 --> 01:13:56,255
Speaker 5: she'll have to determine the boundary to prove the location

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01:13:56,415 --> 01:13:58,055
Speaker 5: and the proximity.

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01:13:58,335 --> 01:14:04,575
Speaker 2: And to do that, she's got to employ a server

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01:14:05,015 --> 01:14:06,175
Speaker 2: to define the boundary line.

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01:14:06,335 --> 01:14:06,455
Speaker 1: Now.

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01:14:06,575 --> 01:14:09,695
Speaker 2: Now the other thing about lime reports. Yes, yeah, we

1214
01:14:09,815 --> 01:14:14,055
Speaker 2: know if you're buying a property and then you obtained

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01:14:14,055 --> 01:14:18,215
Speaker 2: a liver report of land information memorandum. Now what gets

1216
01:14:18,255 --> 01:14:20,335
Speaker 2: me In a lot of cases you get that so

1217
01:14:20,575 --> 01:14:23,215
Speaker 2: that you get you're paying a lawyer, then the convancing

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01:14:23,295 --> 01:14:28,615
Speaker 2: lawyer to peruse that land information memorandum to say that

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01:14:28,655 --> 01:14:31,695
Speaker 2: it's all in accordance and and tikeny boo for you

1220
01:14:32,855 --> 01:14:35,695
Speaker 2: the wants to buy the property. And I think a

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01:14:35,695 --> 01:14:39,775
Speaker 2: lot of these lawyers, if it's proved later on that

1222
01:14:39,855 --> 01:14:41,895
Speaker 2: they missed something, you know, you shouldn't be able to

1223
01:14:41,935 --> 01:14:45,375
Speaker 2: go them about it. You're not what I'm staying here.

1224
01:14:45,655 --> 01:14:48,615
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I'm sure in some cases people have done that.

1225
01:14:49,055 --> 01:14:51,855
Speaker 5: I'm aware of one situation, it was a number of

1226
01:14:51,975 --> 01:14:55,535
Speaker 5: years ago, like twenty odd years ago, where someone purchased

1227
01:14:56,615 --> 01:15:01,095
Speaker 5: a property that was in this instance, it was I'm

1228
01:15:01,135 --> 01:15:03,655
Speaker 5: just pulling some numbers out of a hat, right, let's

1229
01:15:03,655 --> 01:15:05,655
Speaker 5: say it was it was twelve hundred and thirty six

1230
01:15:05,655 --> 01:15:10,815
Speaker 5: square meter. That's what it was advertised as when they

1231
01:15:10,855 --> 01:15:13,615
Speaker 5: purchased the property, because at that stage that allows you

1232
01:15:13,695 --> 01:15:15,935
Speaker 5: to do X number of developments on it, et cetera.

1233
01:15:16,495 --> 01:15:19,295
Speaker 5: When they actually purchased the property and sent it to

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01:15:19,375 --> 01:15:24,815
Speaker 5: their designer to draw up the subdivision, the guy went, hey,

1235
01:15:24,855 --> 01:15:29,495
Speaker 5: actually it's only eleven hundred and sixty and so that

1236
01:15:29,575 --> 01:15:35,175
Speaker 5: purchaser successfully sued both the lawyer and the real estate agent.

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01:15:36,255 --> 01:15:37,255
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

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01:15:37,335 --> 01:15:40,175
Speaker 5: Yeah, But I think in terms of I mean LIMB reports,

1239
01:15:40,415 --> 01:15:42,935
Speaker 5: you can request a LIMB report really easily, right and

1240
01:15:43,335 --> 01:15:47,295
Speaker 5: have a read through them. Typically, they basically almost always

1241
01:15:47,295 --> 01:15:51,735
Speaker 5: say almost exactly the same thing. You know, they should

1242
01:15:51,775 --> 01:15:54,615
Speaker 5: have a copy of the title attached to them. They

1243
01:15:54,615 --> 01:15:57,855
Speaker 5: are a useful record of but all they'll say is

1244
01:15:57,855 --> 01:16:00,215
Speaker 5: whether a building consent has been issued and whether or

1245
01:16:00,295 --> 01:16:04,175
Speaker 5: not that building consent has got a CCC. You need

1246
01:16:04,255 --> 01:16:07,175
Speaker 5: to go through and get like the property file in

1247
01:16:07,295 --> 01:16:13,575
Speaker 5: order to find copies in some cases of the building consents.

1248
01:16:13,655 --> 01:16:15,975
Speaker 5: I must admit i've read a couple recently. It's quite

1249
01:16:15,975 --> 01:16:22,415
Speaker 5: interesting now because building inspections are done electronically, so I've

1250
01:16:22,775 --> 01:16:26,575
Speaker 5: was reading through one property file the other day where

1251
01:16:26,895 --> 01:16:31,695
Speaker 5: literally every single inspection report was included, which was really

1252
01:16:31,735 --> 01:16:35,415
Speaker 5: really helpful because they're quite comprehensive. Right building inspector turns

1253
01:16:35,495 --> 01:16:38,255
Speaker 5: up on site, they write some notes, they take some photographs.

1254
01:16:38,695 --> 01:16:42,655
Speaker 5: You could see inspection reports for pre line, for footings,

1255
01:16:43,815 --> 01:16:47,855
Speaker 5: all of the discussions, everything was included. You end up

1256
01:16:47,855 --> 01:16:51,455
Speaker 5: with a lot of information to read. But it's amazing

1257
01:16:51,495 --> 01:16:56,735
Speaker 5: what's now available in a property file, which is great.

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Speaker 2: To be fair, yeah, I agree with you, and I

1259
01:17:00,535 --> 01:17:03,215
Speaker 2: think that that's all well and good too, But a

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01:17:03,215 --> 01:17:08,895
Speaker 2: lot of these councils have had fires, they've had bloody flooding,

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01:17:10,135 --> 01:17:13,695
Speaker 2: and I'll tell you.

1262
01:17:12,735 --> 01:17:15,695
Speaker 5: Go, I shouldn't laugh at you.

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01:17:16,175 --> 01:17:19,935
Speaker 2: And you want to get you're a person and you've

1264
01:17:19,975 --> 01:17:21,975
Speaker 2: bought a house and this is back your lawyer buying

1265
01:17:21,975 --> 01:17:25,415
Speaker 2: a house, do without the bloody liver repoort. But but

1266
01:17:25,615 --> 01:17:27,775
Speaker 2: you go back and they've got they've lost all of them

1267
01:17:27,735 --> 01:17:28,335
Speaker 2: on your records.

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01:17:28,575 --> 01:17:31,655
Speaker 5: Hey, look, you and I have probably both been around

1269
01:17:31,735 --> 01:17:35,455
Speaker 5: long enough that inevitably, you know, you talk to anyone

1270
01:17:35,495 --> 01:17:38,575
Speaker 5: and they've approached counsels, and it can be from Bluff

1271
01:17:38,615 --> 01:17:42,495
Speaker 5: to Kaitaia, right, and inevitably someone goes, oh, I went

1272
01:17:42,535 --> 01:17:45,015
Speaker 5: to council to look for the reports, but they were

1273
01:17:45,095 --> 01:17:48,135
Speaker 5: lost in the fire. It seems like every single council

1274
01:17:48,375 --> 01:17:52,175
Speaker 5: right across the country has had a massive fire and lost.

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01:17:52,655 --> 01:17:56,895
Speaker 5: I've heard that from it so many it's hilarious and Peter.

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01:17:56,975 --> 01:17:59,055
Speaker 2: If you want it, if you want to obtain, if

1277
01:17:59,055 --> 01:18:01,935
Speaker 2: you want to get a building, said to do some

1278
01:18:02,095 --> 01:18:04,615
Speaker 2: work on the bloody house. Of course the first thing

1279
01:18:04,655 --> 01:18:07,295
Speaker 2: they want they want up to they drawings the whole

1280
01:18:07,295 --> 01:18:10,535
Speaker 2: bloody house. How much would that cost to do it?

1281
01:18:11,695 --> 01:18:15,215
Speaker 2: You know? The snow comeback on saying to the to

1282
01:18:15,295 --> 01:18:17,735
Speaker 2: the council, will look, you had a copy of the

1283
01:18:17,775 --> 01:18:20,535
Speaker 2: pants and you've lost them. You're supposed to repay those

1284
01:18:20,575 --> 01:18:24,055
Speaker 2: for future. I know.

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01:18:24,495 --> 01:18:28,335
Speaker 5: Again, most councils have started to or are well underway

1286
01:18:28,335 --> 01:18:33,055
Speaker 5: with digitizing all of their records, so that that you know,

1287
01:18:33,215 --> 01:18:35,855
Speaker 5: that should prevent the all lost the file in the

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01:18:36,055 --> 01:18:41,375
Speaker 5: in the fire type scenario. We got to move on, John,

1289
01:18:41,535 --> 01:18:45,495
Speaker 5: I always enjoy talking with you. And yes, the great fire,

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01:18:45,975 --> 01:18:48,695
Speaker 5: every single council has had one. I'm amazed that any

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01:18:48,735 --> 01:18:51,095
Speaker 5: of their buildings are still standing. To be fair, it's

1292
01:18:51,095 --> 01:18:53,015
Speaker 5: ten minutes away from it. Back after the.

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01:18:52,975 --> 01:18:56,455
Speaker 1: Break doing other house sorting the garden, asked Pete for

1294
01:18:56,495 --> 01:19:03,375
Speaker 1: a hand. The resident builder with Peter WOLFKEAP calls you.

1295
01:19:03,375 --> 01:19:05,655
Speaker 5: And news talks. That'd be open line on all things

1296
01:19:05,655 --> 01:19:07,415
Speaker 5: building and construction level.

1297
01:19:07,615 --> 01:19:12,895
Speaker 8: Very good morning, Good morning, Pete. How sweet one.

1298
01:19:13,295 --> 01:19:15,055
Speaker 5: Let's hope. So let's see how we.

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01:19:15,015 --> 01:19:19,855
Speaker 8: Can alminium rant slider YEP with the wooden still underneath.

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01:19:19,895 --> 01:19:22,735
Speaker 8: It's a bit over two meters long, yes, and it's

1301
01:19:22,975 --> 01:19:27,695
Speaker 8: just dropped away at one end and there's a concrete

1302
01:19:27,735 --> 01:19:31,295
Speaker 8: path underneath it. I can't clamp it. And I'm looking

1303
01:19:31,335 --> 01:19:35,975
Speaker 8: for some recommendation on how to pull them together and

1304
01:19:36,095 --> 01:19:38,975
Speaker 8: what good strong glue wash should use.

1305
01:19:40,135 --> 01:19:43,495
Speaker 5: What which two surfaces are you looking to pull together?

1306
01:19:43,615 --> 01:19:46,855
Speaker 5: Is it the jam liner that's come away from the

1307
01:19:46,895 --> 01:19:49,295
Speaker 5: extrusion or no.

1308
01:19:49,375 --> 01:19:52,055
Speaker 8: It's come away from the wooden bat and down the

1309
01:19:52,095 --> 01:19:55,895
Speaker 8: side of the extrusion or I'm not sure the name.

1310
01:19:55,815 --> 01:20:03,855
Speaker 5: Of sorry inside or outside outside ah, So is it

1311
01:20:03,895 --> 01:20:07,015
Speaker 5: the Do you think it's the frame that's moving or

1312
01:20:07,055 --> 01:20:12,135
Speaker 5: is it the cladding that's moving, or like the like

1313
01:20:12,215 --> 01:20:15,455
Speaker 5: a facing that might be around the outside edge of

1314
01:20:15,495 --> 01:20:16,575
Speaker 5: the aluminium frame.

1315
01:20:17,695 --> 01:20:20,215
Speaker 8: Yes, it is the vertical facing.

1316
01:20:20,935 --> 01:20:21,255
Speaker 6: Yes.

1317
01:20:21,375 --> 01:20:27,255
Speaker 8: And it's the wooden sill that is underneath the aluminium joinery.

1318
01:20:28,135 --> 01:20:29,775
Speaker 8: They've just come apart.

1319
01:20:32,175 --> 01:20:36,455
Speaker 5: Right, So when they were originally constructed, were they fastened

1320
01:20:36,455 --> 01:20:40,575
Speaker 5: together or does this the facing just come down and

1321
01:20:40,655 --> 01:20:43,295
Speaker 5: sit on top of the sill.

1322
01:20:43,295 --> 01:20:45,375
Speaker 8: I think it just comes down and sits on top

1323
01:20:45,415 --> 01:20:46,095
Speaker 8: of the cell.

1324
01:20:46,175 --> 01:20:50,135
Speaker 5: Right. What's the cladding on the outside of the house Neville?

1325
01:20:53,175 --> 01:20:57,015
Speaker 8: It's the imitation linear oh, yep?

1326
01:20:57,295 --> 01:21:00,655
Speaker 5: Okay? And is there a so we you've you've got

1327
01:21:00,655 --> 01:21:03,175
Speaker 5: the aluminium window, then you've got a facing which sits

1328
01:21:03,215 --> 01:21:06,495
Speaker 5: on the side of it. And then is there a scriber?

1329
01:21:06,695 --> 01:21:11,415
Speaker 8: No, No, it's an aluminium door right slider yep. And

1330
01:21:11,895 --> 01:21:14,855
Speaker 8: there's an actual wooden sill underneath the door.

1331
01:21:15,295 --> 01:21:15,655
Speaker 5: Yes.

1332
01:21:15,895 --> 01:21:19,175
Speaker 8: And it's between between the frame and the sill that's

1333
01:21:19,215 --> 01:21:21,935
Speaker 8: come apart. It's only a teen seen a meter gap.

1334
01:21:22,535 --> 01:21:28,015
Speaker 8: But I've got nowhere clemping it up right, and I

1335
01:21:28,055 --> 01:21:32,255
Speaker 8: want to know what's to when I kind of work

1336
01:21:32,335 --> 01:21:34,375
Speaker 8: that out what it's to use.

1337
01:21:34,695 --> 01:21:41,535
Speaker 5: Yeah, look at two pot of poxies like Bostic make one,

1338
01:21:42,175 --> 01:21:47,055
Speaker 5: Ados make one for exterior use will bond those areas together,

1339
01:21:47,215 --> 01:21:49,255
Speaker 5: but obviously you need to be able to clamp them

1340
01:21:49,255 --> 01:21:52,655
Speaker 5: together somehow, which might just be a case of putting

1341
01:21:52,655 --> 01:21:55,095
Speaker 5: a block underneath and then a wedge that will allow

1342
01:21:55,135 --> 01:21:58,495
Speaker 5: you to drive it up and once it's you know

1343
01:21:58,535 --> 01:22:00,295
Speaker 5: what I mean, if you can get a block underneath

1344
01:22:00,295 --> 01:22:02,775
Speaker 5: it and then cut a wedge and then use the

1345
01:22:02,815 --> 01:22:05,775
Speaker 5: wedge to push that sill up. If that's the case,

1346
01:22:06,055 --> 01:22:08,735
Speaker 5: I'm a little unclear as to exactly how that's going

1347
01:22:08,815 --> 01:22:13,335
Speaker 5: to go. But in terms of exterior there's repair care

1348
01:22:13,375 --> 01:22:15,895
Speaker 5: as well, but I think in terms of bonding, you'd

1349
01:22:15,935 --> 01:22:18,335
Speaker 5: probably want to go for a two potter POxy for

1350
01:22:18,455 --> 01:22:21,255
Speaker 5: exterior work, and there's plenty of those. You can buy

1351
01:22:21,255 --> 01:22:24,975
Speaker 5: a little small containers of them at any any hardware store,

1352
01:22:25,095 --> 01:22:27,455
Speaker 5: so that might be the go and Evil thank you

1353
01:22:27,495 --> 01:22:29,255
Speaker 5: and all the best. With that, we'll come back and

1354
01:22:29,255 --> 01:22:31,935
Speaker 5: talk to Jimmy straight after News, Sport and weather. Top

1355
01:22:31,975 --> 01:22:35,255
Speaker 5: of the r got a bunch of texts and we

1356
01:22:35,255 --> 01:22:37,735
Speaker 5: should really talk about catching up with the Prime Minister

1357
01:22:37,895 --> 01:22:40,415
Speaker 5: this week, which I happened to do, which was delightful.

1358
01:22:41,095 --> 01:22:42,095
Speaker 5: Right back after the break.

1359
01:22:42,335 --> 01:22:45,215
Speaker 1: Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing with Feds, or wondering

1360
01:22:45,255 --> 01:22:47,335
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall, give Peter

1361
01:22:47,415 --> 01:22:51,495
Speaker 1: Wolfgampa call on eight hundred ten eighty, the resident builder

1362
01:22:51,615 --> 01:22:53,455
Speaker 1: on youth dogs'b Well, let's.

1363
01:22:53,295 --> 01:22:55,895
Speaker 5: Get amongst it, folks. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

1364
01:22:55,895 --> 01:22:58,935
Speaker 5: If you've got a building question that you would like

1365
01:22:59,015 --> 01:23:02,415
Speaker 5: to discuss, or I'll have a good crack at giving

1366
01:23:02,455 --> 01:23:05,015
Speaker 5: you an answer, then the lines are open. The number

1367
01:23:05,055 --> 01:23:07,735
Speaker 5: is eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Remember, at around eight

1368
01:23:07,895 --> 01:23:10,815
Speaker 5: thirty this morning, we'll jump into the garden who had

1369
01:23:10,895 --> 01:23:14,295
Speaker 5: climb past is with us, and we'll talk all things

1370
01:23:14,335 --> 01:23:17,495
Speaker 5: gardening and the wonderful world of bugs as well. Oh,

1371
01:23:17,535 --> 01:23:19,975
Speaker 5: eight hundred eighty ten eighty right now is the number

1372
01:23:20,015 --> 01:23:23,015
Speaker 5: to call. Just on that earlier call from Neville about

1373
01:23:23,015 --> 01:23:28,695
Speaker 5: the rain ranch slider and wanting to do some adhesive,

1374
01:23:28,735 --> 01:23:34,615
Speaker 5: someone suggested seek a flex one one eight extreme grab Mike.

1375
01:23:34,695 --> 01:23:37,015
Speaker 5: I haven't used that, so that's interesting. I might have

1376
01:23:37,015 --> 01:23:40,495
Speaker 5: a look for that. There's also the gorilla grip ones

1377
01:23:40,735 --> 01:23:44,335
Speaker 5: as well, including someones that bond quite quickly like one

1378
01:23:44,375 --> 01:23:47,175
Speaker 5: hour two hour set, but I'll have a look for that.

1379
01:23:47,935 --> 01:23:50,415
Speaker 5: I love this one from OZ and two. We talked

1380
01:23:50,415 --> 01:23:55,335
Speaker 5: about councils and the Great Fire. Allmost all councils will

1381
01:23:55,375 --> 01:23:59,175
Speaker 5: have said this to someone asking for property records or files,

1382
01:23:59,255 --> 01:24:02,055
Speaker 5: building consent files, and that all councils must have an

1383
01:24:02,055 --> 01:24:06,895
Speaker 5: incinerator out the back called Mount Martin Great Balls Fire.

1384
01:24:07,695 --> 01:24:10,575
Speaker 5: Each time they look like they might be liable to file,

1385
01:24:10,695 --> 01:24:14,015
Speaker 5: they file the paperwork in Martin's Trade. Thanks for that, Owen.

1386
01:24:14,055 --> 01:24:18,735
Speaker 5: That's great, it's hilarious. A couple of other quick texts

1387
01:24:18,735 --> 01:24:20,615
Speaker 5: as well. Yes, I should get around to talking about

1388
01:24:20,615 --> 01:24:22,655
Speaker 5: the KO story that was in the news this week

1389
01:24:22,695 --> 01:24:27,055
Speaker 5: about the container homes and the cost. Thank you to

1390
01:24:27,535 --> 01:24:31,095
Speaker 5: HJ who's text. Through Trade certificates and advanced trade certificates

1391
01:24:31,095 --> 01:24:34,335
Speaker 5: have been replaced by New Zealand certificates and diplomas. We're

1392
01:24:34,375 --> 01:24:36,535
Speaker 5: just talking about the fact that when I went through

1393
01:24:36,575 --> 01:24:41,215
Speaker 5: and did my trade certificate, you could do advanced trade.

1394
01:24:41,255 --> 01:24:43,535
Speaker 5: But I guess that's changed now, so now it all

1395
01:24:43,575 --> 01:24:49,495
Speaker 5: becomes carpentry qualifications. So in order to be qualified as

1396
01:24:49,495 --> 01:24:53,215
Speaker 5: a carpenter now you have to have a level four qualification.

1397
01:24:53,655 --> 01:24:56,895
Speaker 5: But I think there is some ability to extend beyond that,

1398
01:24:56,935 --> 01:24:59,815
Speaker 5: which I think is great. It's that whole professional development, right.

1399
01:24:59,855 --> 01:25:03,255
Speaker 5: We want to keep we want people to keep learning.

1400
01:25:03,895 --> 01:25:05,935
Speaker 5: That's what I think is really important that you know,

1401
01:25:06,055 --> 01:25:10,615
Speaker 5: Like my case, I think I did my MZTC in

1402
01:25:10,735 --> 01:25:14,255
Speaker 5: carpentry in gosh, it might be like nineteen ninety one,

1403
01:25:14,375 --> 01:25:17,935
Speaker 5: ninety two, something like that. You know, it'd be great

1404
01:25:17,975 --> 01:25:20,735
Speaker 5: if there I know with LBP and in order to

1405
01:25:20,775 --> 01:25:23,815
Speaker 5: continue to RELICNSE we have to prove learning. But I

1406
01:25:23,855 --> 01:25:26,135
Speaker 5: think it'd be great if there were more courses, formal

1407
01:25:26,175 --> 01:25:29,975
Speaker 5: courses that allowed people to do some learning to keep

1408
01:25:30,095 --> 01:25:34,775
Speaker 5: up their knowledge as well. Certainly i'd appreciate that pete.

1409
01:25:35,295 --> 01:25:37,575
Speaker 5: Two thousand and eight tile roof. Do I need to

1410
01:25:37,575 --> 01:25:40,215
Speaker 5: get it recoated? Or is that just a myth? Well

1411
01:25:40,215 --> 01:25:43,295
Speaker 5: it might depend on individual circumstance, but I would suggest

1412
01:25:43,335 --> 01:25:46,535
Speaker 5: that something that was installed in two thousand and eight

1413
01:25:46,655 --> 01:25:50,495
Speaker 5: probably won't require recoating for a long time. I mean,

1414
01:25:51,535 --> 01:25:54,775
Speaker 5: no one property where I look after which has got

1415
01:25:55,095 --> 01:25:59,615
Speaker 5: a concrete tile roof from nineteen sixty seven. Now that's

1416
01:25:59,655 --> 01:26:03,295
Speaker 5: got no glaze left on it at all anymore. So yes,

1417
01:26:03,335 --> 01:26:05,935
Speaker 5: there's probably a benefit to having that recodd, but I

1418
01:26:05,975 --> 01:26:07,895
Speaker 5: think it looks like it's got a glaze, then I

1419
01:26:07,975 --> 01:26:11,495
Speaker 5: would leave it alone. Someone's text through Pete We've got

1420
01:26:11,535 --> 01:26:14,175
Speaker 5: tryboard in some of our office and have been told

1421
01:26:14,215 --> 01:26:16,975
Speaker 5: by our contractor doing some more work that it's no

1422
01:26:17,055 --> 01:26:20,375
Speaker 5: longer available. Heard you discussing it recently, So is it

1423
01:26:20,415 --> 01:26:23,055
Speaker 5: back on the market. Well, to be fair, it's never

1424
01:26:23,095 --> 01:26:29,335
Speaker 5: been off the market, so I think your contractor is

1425
01:26:29,415 --> 01:26:33,535
Speaker 5: either ill informed or just can't be bothered finding out.

1426
01:26:33,575 --> 01:26:37,775
Speaker 5: But no, Tryboard's around and always has been, so the

1427
01:26:37,775 --> 01:26:40,095
Speaker 5: best bet is to go online, have a look at

1428
01:26:40,175 --> 01:26:42,895
Speaker 5: JNL dot co dot nz. That's Duke in New Zealand,

1429
01:26:44,015 --> 01:26:47,615
Speaker 5: and then you'll find either local stockers or you'll be

1430
01:26:47,615 --> 01:26:50,855
Speaker 5: able to order tryboard through most of your local merchants.

1431
01:26:50,855 --> 01:26:55,215
Speaker 5: But certainly the Tryboard's still around without a doubt, because

1432
01:26:55,495 --> 01:26:58,775
Speaker 5: even I've been using it recently, so yep, it is

1433
01:26:59,015 --> 01:27:02,175
Speaker 5: most definitely still around. Hope you get that sorted with

1434
01:27:02,215 --> 01:27:08,535
Speaker 5: your contractor and sh did I want to offer up

1435
01:27:08,535 --> 01:27:11,455
Speaker 5: an opinion about the pack and Save and Highland Park dispute?

1436
01:27:12,415 --> 01:27:16,615
Speaker 5: Oh fascinating, Probably not the space on the show to

1437
01:27:16,695 --> 01:27:19,695
Speaker 5: talk about it, but I did read that article with

1438
01:27:19,735 --> 01:27:21,455
Speaker 5: interest in the same way that I read the article

1439
01:27:21,495 --> 01:27:26,455
Speaker 5: about the container houses in Rotorua. We may have some

1440
01:27:26,495 --> 01:27:29,935
Speaker 5: discussion about that. Pet Can you explain why building a

1441
01:27:29,975 --> 01:27:32,135
Speaker 5: house is so expensive in New Zealand compared to other

1442
01:27:32,215 --> 01:27:36,535
Speaker 5: countries the United States? Can you give a breakdown percentage

1443
01:27:36,575 --> 01:27:39,935
Speaker 5: wise of council fees, resource consents, etc. On a new build?

1444
01:27:40,335 --> 01:27:43,855
Speaker 5: Is it also because of lack of competition for building supplies? Look,

1445
01:27:43,855 --> 01:27:45,695
Speaker 5: it's probably a little bit of all of those things.

1446
01:27:45,695 --> 01:27:47,655
Speaker 5: But you've got to remember too that we are a

1447
01:27:47,695 --> 01:27:52,055
Speaker 5: tiny market, right you know, in the United States, I've

1448
01:27:52,095 --> 01:27:56,535
Speaker 5: seen subdivisions where developers will be building two thousand houses

1449
01:27:56,615 --> 01:27:59,615
Speaker 5: all at once. Right now, we don't have that scale.

1450
01:28:00,895 --> 01:28:03,575
Speaker 5: And I suspect that scale is a large part of

1451
01:28:03,575 --> 01:28:08,735
Speaker 5: the reason that things are quite unaffordable or relatively expensive

1452
01:28:08,775 --> 01:28:13,895
Speaker 5: in New Zealand by comparison to other countries. The fact

1453
01:28:13,935 --> 01:28:17,455
Speaker 5: that we keep wanting to do everything bespoke makes it expensive.

1454
01:28:17,455 --> 01:28:19,335
Speaker 5: In fact, that was part of the discussion we were

1455
01:28:19,335 --> 01:28:23,135
Speaker 5: having at Stark Windows this week. So I went to

1456
01:28:23,375 --> 01:28:30,095
Speaker 5: Stark Windows, which are both aluminium and UPC fabricator, and

1457
01:28:30,175 --> 01:28:34,255
Speaker 5: I was invited along and because as it happened, the

1458
01:28:34,255 --> 01:28:37,335
Speaker 5: Prime Minister Christoph Luxeant was due to do a factory

1459
01:28:37,335 --> 01:28:40,735
Speaker 5: tour and going along with that was Chris Pink and

1460
01:28:40,815 --> 01:28:43,695
Speaker 5: one other member of parliament who were going through for

1461
01:28:43,735 --> 01:28:46,735
Speaker 5: the factory tour, and so funnily enough, that was the

1462
01:28:46,775 --> 01:28:50,055
Speaker 5: discussion we had. Afterwards. There was about fifteen or twenty

1463
01:28:50,055 --> 01:28:53,415
Speaker 5: of us from different sectors of the you know, whether

1464
01:28:53,455 --> 01:28:57,055
Speaker 5: it was developers or installers or someone at myself, plus

1465
01:28:57,095 --> 01:29:00,535
Speaker 5: the team from Stark Windows were there and Chris Luxon

1466
01:29:00,615 --> 01:29:02,575
Speaker 5: was saying, you know, what do you need from us?

1467
01:29:02,615 --> 01:29:05,895
Speaker 5: Why do you think what's the affordability issues? And his

1468
01:29:05,975 --> 01:29:08,615
Speaker 5: comic to me and a conversation was, look, you know,

1469
01:29:08,855 --> 01:29:10,935
Speaker 5: when I was living in the States, I could see

1470
01:29:11,015 --> 01:29:14,135
Speaker 5: what the cost of building was, the speed at which

1471
01:29:14,175 --> 01:29:17,015
Speaker 5: they were able to build. What can we do here

1472
01:29:17,335 --> 01:29:21,215
Speaker 5: to introduce some of those ideas? It's a good And

1473
01:29:21,255 --> 01:29:24,375
Speaker 5: I did get slightly cheeky with the Prime Minister and say, look,

1474
01:29:24,375 --> 01:29:26,415
Speaker 5: I understand you quite like doing a bit of DIY,

1475
01:29:26,535 --> 01:29:28,055
Speaker 5: so how about we get you on the show and

1476
01:29:28,095 --> 01:29:30,295
Speaker 5: we'll just talk DIY with the Prime Minister. And he

1477
01:29:30,335 --> 01:29:32,895
Speaker 5: seemed quite open to that. So I'll get that sorted

1478
01:29:32,935 --> 01:29:36,855
Speaker 5: out and due an update from Chris Pink as the

1479
01:29:36,895 --> 01:29:42,095
Speaker 5: Minister for Housing and Construction around H one changes and

1480
01:29:42,215 --> 01:29:45,735
Speaker 5: around self certification. So when those updates come through, we

1481
01:29:45,775 --> 01:29:48,375
Speaker 5: will get the Minister Chris Pink back on the show

1482
01:29:48,495 --> 01:29:58,695
Speaker 5: as well. Thirteen minutes after eight o'clock and Jimmy, good morning, Jimmy.

1483
01:29:58,455 --> 01:30:03,415
Speaker 14: My story is nineteen fifties house at Pepitoti here and

1484
01:30:03,855 --> 01:30:08,255
Speaker 14: all my files fill off the back of the truck. Yeah,

1485
01:30:09,335 --> 01:30:11,735
Speaker 14: can you tell me how to get the old vinyl

1486
01:30:11,855 --> 01:30:17,935
Speaker 14: off the floor? I've tried everything made, burning, all that

1487
01:30:17,975 --> 01:30:18,575
Speaker 14: sort of stuff.

1488
01:30:19,015 --> 01:30:22,695
Speaker 5: Okay, when you say nineteen fifties and then you say vinyl,

1489
01:30:22,735 --> 01:30:26,575
Speaker 5: and then you talk about removing, there's little alarm bells

1490
01:30:26,575 --> 01:30:30,815
Speaker 5: that go off. Have you tested it for asbestos?

1491
01:30:31,295 --> 01:30:31,495
Speaker 14: Yeah?

1492
01:30:31,615 --> 01:30:32,975
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And.

1493
01:30:32,855 --> 01:30:34,815
Speaker 5: What was that It came back negative?

1494
01:30:35,655 --> 01:30:40,815
Speaker 14: Oh I don't know. I never bothered. Okay, so just

1495
01:30:40,895 --> 01:30:41,895
Speaker 14: lay over the top of it.

1496
01:30:41,895 --> 01:30:44,575
Speaker 5: Then, well no, I'm just saying, if you're going to

1497
01:30:44,615 --> 01:30:47,295
Speaker 5: be working on it, right, chipping at it or burning

1498
01:30:47,335 --> 01:30:50,015
Speaker 5: it or whatever you're going to do, and it does

1499
01:30:50,055 --> 01:30:53,495
Speaker 5: contain asbestos, there's a significant health risk, right, so make

1500
01:30:53,535 --> 01:30:55,295
Speaker 5: sure if you're going to be working on it, you

1501
01:30:55,375 --> 01:30:57,975
Speaker 5: test it. I would say there's a very good chance

1502
01:30:58,015 --> 01:31:00,695
Speaker 5: that it's asbestos, in which case my advice to you

1503
01:31:00,735 --> 01:31:03,695
Speaker 5: would be to have a professional team come in to

1504
01:31:03,775 --> 01:31:06,735
Speaker 5: do it rather than potentially contaminate your whole house. And

1505
01:31:07,095 --> 01:31:11,535
Speaker 5: I know of the case recently where someone asked they

1506
01:31:11,575 --> 01:31:14,415
Speaker 5: stripped some old lino, then they asked a floor sander

1507
01:31:14,495 --> 01:31:17,295
Speaker 5: to come in and sand the floor. They didn't test.

1508
01:31:17,575 --> 01:31:21,135
Speaker 5: They ended up with asbestos right throughout the house and

1509
01:31:21,295 --> 01:31:23,735
Speaker 5: basically the entire house had to get stripped out right

1510
01:31:23,775 --> 01:31:25,815
Speaker 5: to remove the asbestos. We don't want to go down

1511
01:31:25,815 --> 01:31:28,415
Speaker 5: that path, So get it tested and then if it

1512
01:31:28,455 --> 01:31:31,095
Speaker 5: does come back positive, get a contractor in. If it's

1513
01:31:31,175 --> 01:31:37,415
Speaker 5: not asbestos or there's no ACM in it, I look

1514
01:31:37,495 --> 01:31:40,615
Speaker 5: to be fair. I've just the ones that I've done

1515
01:31:40,735 --> 01:31:43,775
Speaker 5: where it hasn't been asbestos. I've just got stuck in

1516
01:31:43,815 --> 01:31:48,175
Speaker 5: with like a broad knife and just I work myself

1517
01:31:48,215 --> 01:31:50,735
Speaker 5: in from work my way in from one end, just

1518
01:31:50,855 --> 01:31:52,975
Speaker 5: taking it off a little bit by little bit by

1519
01:31:53,055 --> 01:31:56,575
Speaker 5: little bit. Sometimes you try and knock the top off

1520
01:31:56,695 --> 01:32:00,135
Speaker 5: and then get a sander in. In some cases there

1521
01:32:00,215 --> 01:32:01,815
Speaker 5: used to be a product I'm not sure if it's

1522
01:32:01,855 --> 01:32:07,215
Speaker 5: still around, called wood or flooring glue removed and it

1523
01:32:07,735 --> 01:32:11,095
Speaker 5: dissolved the adhesive. So once you got down to a

1524
01:32:11,095 --> 01:32:13,535
Speaker 5: certain stage, you could sort of flood the area with

1525
01:32:13,575 --> 01:32:17,775
Speaker 5: this agent that dissolved it and then peel it off.

1526
01:32:18,295 --> 01:32:21,455
Speaker 5: But it's a hard job. The other thing is, you know,

1527
01:32:21,655 --> 01:32:24,815
Speaker 5: maybe if it's if it really is stuck down particularly well,

1528
01:32:25,535 --> 01:32:26,575
Speaker 5: just go over the top of.

1529
01:32:26,535 --> 01:32:28,855
Speaker 14: It with the softboard or.

1530
01:32:28,775 --> 01:32:31,695
Speaker 5: So yeah exactly, yeah, or hardboard and then another layer.

1531
01:32:32,775 --> 01:32:34,855
Speaker 5: In some cases, like if the lino is in really

1532
01:32:34,855 --> 01:32:37,455
Speaker 5: good condition and the lino layer is happy to do it,

1533
01:32:37,775 --> 01:32:40,735
Speaker 5: you can just bond new lino over the top of

1534
01:32:40,855 --> 01:32:41,655
Speaker 5: existing lino.

1535
01:32:42,415 --> 01:32:45,335
Speaker 14: Okay, No, the house is too old, it's not worth

1536
01:32:45,335 --> 01:32:47,495
Speaker 14: spending a lot of money on it. But it's getting

1537
01:32:47,535 --> 01:32:49,575
Speaker 14: in the around the stove as well.

1538
01:32:49,895 --> 01:32:51,695
Speaker 11: No, it's in the corner.

1539
01:32:51,855 --> 01:32:53,495
Speaker 14: So just hard work.

1540
01:32:54,535 --> 01:32:54,775
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1541
01:32:54,815 --> 01:32:58,895
Speaker 5: Sometimes it's just like you set a headphones with your

1542
01:32:58,895 --> 01:33:01,415
Speaker 5: favorite music and some knee pads and you just get

1543
01:33:01,455 --> 01:33:01,855
Speaker 5: stuck in.

1544
01:33:01,895 --> 01:33:07,855
Speaker 14: Mate. It's not a big area. Yeah, maybe half the

1545
01:33:07,895 --> 01:33:09,975
Speaker 14: problems I'm too old to get down And.

1546
01:33:10,415 --> 01:33:14,095
Speaker 5: Wow, that's that's why young people are out there, you know.

1547
01:33:14,775 --> 01:33:21,855
Speaker 14: Really are they? Thanks, I'll go through the whole procedure.

1548
01:33:21,895 --> 01:33:22,135
Speaker 2: Thinks.

1549
01:33:22,215 --> 01:33:24,415
Speaker 5: Nice talking to you, mate, Take care and but please

1550
01:33:24,455 --> 01:33:28,375
Speaker 5: do do the testing if you're unsure. And the more

1551
01:33:28,415 --> 01:33:31,535
Speaker 5: we know about where asbestos is in terms of building materials,

1552
01:33:31,855 --> 01:33:33,335
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure it's in there, and I don't want

1553
01:33:33,335 --> 01:33:35,855
Speaker 5: to see you get hurt. It is seventeen minutes after eight.

1554
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1555
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1575
01:34:47,655 --> 01:34:49,655
Speaker 4: text because this is an issue that's come up a

1576
01:34:49,655 --> 01:34:51,655
Speaker 4: couple of times, just a very quick one good day,

1577
01:34:52,415 --> 01:34:53,055
Speaker 4: says the texter.

1578
01:34:53,255 --> 01:34:55,415
Speaker 5: We had a leak in our bathroom. So we've stripped

1579
01:34:55,455 --> 01:34:58,135
Speaker 5: the bathroom completely and are rebuilding it. We're at the

1580
01:34:58,175 --> 01:35:01,175
Speaker 5: point where we're going to be doing the waterproofing. We're

1581
01:35:01,295 --> 01:35:04,775
Speaker 5: using a fabricated shower tray and doors, so tiles on

1582
01:35:04,815 --> 01:35:07,215
Speaker 5: the wall down to the shower tray. It sounds like

1583
01:35:07,255 --> 01:35:10,295
Speaker 5: the plumber will install the shower tray and then waterproof

1584
01:35:10,455 --> 01:35:13,415
Speaker 5: up to the shower trait, which is standard practice. I

1585
01:35:13,455 --> 01:35:15,855
Speaker 5: would have thought we would have to waterproof the entire

1586
01:35:15,895 --> 01:35:20,295
Speaker 5: bathroom before installing the shower trait. This has come up

1587
01:35:20,335 --> 01:35:23,375
Speaker 5: a couple of times, and someone suggested to me that

1588
01:35:23,655 --> 01:35:28,255
Speaker 5: some people were recommending waterproofing let's say, the substrate the

1589
01:35:28,335 --> 01:35:31,255
Speaker 5: floor before the shower tray goes in, And I'm like,

1590
01:35:31,775 --> 01:35:35,135
Speaker 5: but the whole point of the shower tray is that

1591
01:35:35,135 --> 01:35:40,855
Speaker 5: that's your waterproof surface, So why waterproof were theoretically, nowhere

1592
01:35:40,895 --> 01:35:45,615
Speaker 5: is going to get wet. So look, I would say

1593
01:35:45,775 --> 01:35:49,535
Speaker 5: waterproof the shower enclosure. If you're going to do tiles

1594
01:35:49,535 --> 01:35:51,695
Speaker 5: on the floor, then I would waterproof the floor. You

1595
01:35:51,855 --> 01:35:54,735
Speaker 5: need to do that. But obviously you don't need to

1596
01:35:54,775 --> 01:35:58,455
Speaker 5: waterproof walls that are outside of the splash zone. So

1597
01:35:58,535 --> 01:36:01,535
Speaker 5: if it's around a bath, for example, you'd waterproof around there.

1598
01:36:02,295 --> 01:36:03,855
Speaker 5: If you've got a vanity that you're going to have

1599
01:36:03,935 --> 01:36:06,695
Speaker 5: tiled splash back on, you'd want to waterproof a little

1600
01:36:06,735 --> 01:36:09,335
Speaker 5: bit behind that area there, just to ensure that nothing

1601
01:36:09,375 --> 01:36:12,495
Speaker 5: gets through the tiles into the substrate. But with regard

1602
01:36:12,535 --> 01:36:14,415
Speaker 5: to the shower tray, it's a shower tray with the

1603
01:36:14,455 --> 01:36:18,455
Speaker 5: doors and then you tile down. You would just waterproof

1604
01:36:18,535 --> 01:36:22,935
Speaker 5: that wall down to your already waterproof shower tray, would

1605
01:36:22,975 --> 01:36:25,695
Speaker 5: be my approach, Rightio, thanks very much for that text.

1606
01:36:25,735 --> 01:36:28,735
Speaker 5: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the Oh

1607
01:36:28,775 --> 01:36:31,655
Speaker 5: here's another good one too. Just quickly, Hey, Pete, can

1608
01:36:31,695 --> 01:36:33,615
Speaker 5: you tell me why a two thousand and three new

1609
01:36:33,655 --> 01:36:36,935
Speaker 5: build still needs to have a Healthy Home check and certification?

1610
01:36:37,095 --> 01:36:41,615
Speaker 5: Surely the CC or CCC rather should encompass the standards

1611
01:36:41,615 --> 01:36:47,935
Speaker 5: for healthy homes regards Dave. Interestingly enough, there are some

1612
01:36:47,975 --> 01:36:53,415
Speaker 5: requirements of the Healthy Home Standards for residential tendencies that

1613
01:36:53,535 --> 01:36:56,215
Speaker 5: are over and above the building code. So you can

1614
01:36:56,255 --> 01:36:59,775
Speaker 5: get a brand new building which has a certificated Code

1615
01:36:59,815 --> 01:37:03,335
Speaker 5: compliance or code compliance Certificate at CCC, but it will

1616
01:37:03,335 --> 01:37:10,255
Speaker 5: still fail potentially a Healthy Homes assessment. Yeah go figure

1617
01:37:10,655 --> 01:37:12,735
Speaker 5: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number to call

1618
01:37:12,775 --> 01:37:14,455
Speaker 5: Noline A very good morning to you.

1619
01:37:15,655 --> 01:37:21,935
Speaker 15: Oh, good morning, Yes, yep, hello, Go for it, right,

1620
01:37:22,055 --> 01:37:25,815
Speaker 15: go for it. Okay, I've got a question about insulation

1621
01:37:26,015 --> 01:37:33,135
Speaker 15: and walls. I have a stucco house in nineteen thirty six,

1622
01:37:34,135 --> 01:37:38,095
Speaker 15: and my family are encouraging me to have the insulation

1623
01:37:38,335 --> 01:37:42,615
Speaker 15: put in where they drill all the holes and pump

1624
01:37:42,895 --> 01:37:49,855
Speaker 15: pump whatever it is in. I have fibrous plaster obviously inside,

1625
01:37:51,215 --> 01:37:56,335
Speaker 15: so I have a few concerns about whether I should

1626
01:37:56,615 --> 01:38:00,295
Speaker 15: go ahead and do it or not. I don't know

1627
01:38:00,335 --> 01:38:04,535
Speaker 15: whether the product is damp when they pump it in

1628
01:38:04,735 --> 01:38:06,855
Speaker 15: and maybe in a.

1629
01:38:07,615 --> 01:38:09,855
Speaker 7: Or how about all the holes that they make?

1630
01:38:12,135 --> 01:38:16,015
Speaker 5: You know, Look, I think you've got some really good questions,

1631
01:38:16,175 --> 01:38:19,535
Speaker 5: right and whichever, if you do decide to go down

1632
01:38:19,575 --> 01:38:24,375
Speaker 5: this path and have an injected system done, then you've

1633
01:38:24,415 --> 01:38:26,655
Speaker 5: got to be able to ask those questions of the

1634
01:38:26,695 --> 01:38:29,735
Speaker 5: contractor or the representative of the company and ensure that

1635
01:38:29,775 --> 01:38:34,015
Speaker 5: you're getting the right sort of answers. So a couple

1636
01:38:34,015 --> 01:38:38,655
Speaker 5: of things. One is obviously all any work where you

1637
01:38:38,735 --> 01:38:44,375
Speaker 5: install retrofit insulation into existing exterior walls requires a building consent, right.

1638
01:38:45,895 --> 01:38:48,895
Speaker 5: And now some of the companies that are doing the

1639
01:38:49,055 --> 01:38:54,575
Speaker 5: injected systems have an agreement with counsel where because they're

1640
01:38:54,575 --> 01:38:56,935
Speaker 5: doing the same thing over and over again, there's a

1641
01:38:57,175 --> 01:39:01,175
Speaker 5: really straightforward process for them to get a building consent,

1642
01:39:01,575 --> 01:39:04,535
Speaker 5: but they still have to get a building consent for it.

1643
01:39:04,935 --> 01:39:07,735
Speaker 5: So I would be very very suspicious of anyone that

1644
01:39:07,775 --> 01:39:10,255
Speaker 5: you engage with who says, no, don't worry, we don't

1645
01:39:10,255 --> 01:39:15,775
Speaker 5: need a building consent. You do, right, So that's really important.

1646
01:39:16,095 --> 01:39:23,015
Speaker 5: Then I guess these questions around there are where I

1647
01:39:23,055 --> 01:39:25,055
Speaker 5: find this is a bit tricky for me, is that

1648
01:39:25,175 --> 01:39:28,455
Speaker 5: I you know, ten fifteen years ago, I pulled off

1649
01:39:28,535 --> 01:39:31,455
Speaker 5: exterior weather boards from a house that it had a

1650
01:39:31,575 --> 01:39:34,855
Speaker 5: system injected into it, and there were a couple of

1651
01:39:34,855 --> 01:39:37,935
Speaker 5: things that we noticed. One is there was mold growth, right,

1652
01:39:37,975 --> 01:39:40,695
Speaker 5: so there was moisture getting in and it was growing

1653
01:39:41,095 --> 01:39:46,015
Speaker 5: on the injected system, there are also voids. So what

1654
01:39:46,055 --> 01:39:48,575
Speaker 5: we know about insulation is it works really well when

1655
01:39:48,655 --> 01:39:51,495
Speaker 5: you fill all of the spaces. And one of the

1656
01:39:51,495 --> 01:39:54,055
Speaker 5: concerns around some of the injected systems is how do

1657
01:39:54,095 --> 01:39:56,335
Speaker 5: you know you've filled all of the spaces. Now there's

1658
01:39:56,335 --> 01:39:58,695
Speaker 5: a response to that, which is we do thermal imaging.

1659
01:39:58,815 --> 01:40:01,935
Speaker 5: We can see whether we've got the right coverage. We

1660
01:40:01,935 --> 01:40:04,215
Speaker 5: can calculate the volume that's going in, and we know

1661
01:40:04,335 --> 01:40:07,815
Speaker 5: roughly what capacity the wa all has, so we know

1662
01:40:07,895 --> 01:40:10,975
Speaker 5: that we've put the right amount of product in. Some

1663
01:40:11,095 --> 01:40:13,975
Speaker 5: of the products that are available now are hydrophobic, so

1664
01:40:14,015 --> 01:40:17,975
Speaker 5: they repel moisture, which is really important. Some of the

1665
01:40:17,975 --> 01:40:21,335
Speaker 5: products are saturated when they go in. And then you've

1666
01:40:21,375 --> 01:40:23,455
Speaker 5: got a question about is it a good idea to

1667
01:40:23,575 --> 01:40:26,375
Speaker 5: introduce a lot of moisture to the inside of my

1668
01:40:26,535 --> 01:40:30,015
Speaker 5: wall cavity and what happens to that moisture? How long

1669
01:40:30,055 --> 01:40:33,695
Speaker 5: does it take to dry out, does it dry out

1670
01:40:33,815 --> 01:40:36,935
Speaker 5: before it encourages mold growth, et cetera, et cetera. So

1671
01:40:37,455 --> 01:40:40,175
Speaker 5: I think you've there are some good products out there,

1672
01:40:40,175 --> 01:40:45,575
Speaker 5: but you really have to do your due diligence around it. Okay, right,

1673
01:40:45,855 --> 01:40:48,775
Speaker 5: saying and you know, I'll be as fair and as

1674
01:40:48,815 --> 01:40:51,775
Speaker 5: balanced as I possibly can be. You know, like typically

1675
01:40:51,935 --> 01:40:55,135
Speaker 5: I would say to people, or my preference has always

1676
01:40:55,215 --> 01:40:59,055
Speaker 5: been remove interior linings and install the insulation. That way,

1677
01:40:59,095 --> 01:41:02,255
Speaker 5: then you can address things like vapor barriers and so on.

1678
01:41:02,775 --> 01:41:05,375
Speaker 5: But you know, I also have spoken with people who

1679
01:41:05,415 --> 01:41:07,735
Speaker 5: have had the injected systems put in, the good ones,

1680
01:41:08,135 --> 01:41:10,615
Speaker 5: and they go, look, the great thing is the day

1681
01:41:10,655 --> 01:41:12,855
Speaker 5: after it's done, my house is warmer.

1682
01:41:14,175 --> 01:41:19,215
Speaker 15: Yes, yes, so that's the whole point of the exercise, really, Yeah,

1683
01:41:20,295 --> 01:41:21,655
Speaker 15: ripping all my walls.

1684
01:41:21,295 --> 01:41:25,575
Speaker 5: Of Yeah, and understandably too. And look, see, I mean

1685
01:41:25,815 --> 01:41:28,095
Speaker 5: what's really interesting at the moment is there's there's the

1686
01:41:28,135 --> 01:41:30,975
Speaker 5: beginning of a whole series of discussions, and there's that

1687
01:41:31,375 --> 01:41:34,615
Speaker 5: I've seen this now where instead of trying to fit

1688
01:41:34,735 --> 01:41:40,215
Speaker 5: insulation into existing wall cavities, we're doing these retrofits where

1689
01:41:40,375 --> 01:41:43,855
Speaker 5: essentially we're wrapping the exterior of the building in insulation.

1690
01:41:44,895 --> 01:41:47,255
Speaker 5: But that that's often a much bigger job. So if

1691
01:41:47,295 --> 01:41:51,255
Speaker 5: you imagine leaving your house intact and simply adding an

1692
01:41:51,255 --> 01:41:54,935
Speaker 5: additional skin to the outside, but again in your instance

1693
01:41:55,015 --> 01:41:57,655
Speaker 5: with a stucco house, where you want to keep that

1694
01:41:57,735 --> 01:42:01,135
Speaker 5: characters it's not as good a solution, but you know,

1695
01:42:01,215 --> 01:42:04,615
Speaker 5: for an older weather board house, for example, the thought

1696
01:42:04,655 --> 01:42:07,215
Speaker 5: of putting some batons, putting some in and putting a

1697
01:42:07,255 --> 01:42:11,135
Speaker 5: new cladding on the outside and replacing the joinery, that's

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Speaker 5: a really good and quite it has less disruption for

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Speaker 5: the people who might be inside the house to do that.

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Speaker 5: So there's park a rap and a couple of other

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Speaker 5: ideas around out silation are starting to be developed as well.

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Speaker 5: Ask lots of questions.

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Speaker 15: What would it be worthwhile putting in double glazing, and

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Speaker 15: because it's all going to still go out.

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Speaker 6: The walls, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: That's the thing. So this is this idea around the

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Speaker 5: thermal envelope, right, so you know in the end heat

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Speaker 5: transfer is going to continue, So if you block one pathway,

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Speaker 5: it'll look for somewhere else. But if most of your

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Speaker 5: exterior face is a wall and you can stop it,

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Speaker 5: then you've got a smaller area for that escape. So

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Speaker 5: if you were to do the walls and then later

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Speaker 5: on you did the double glazing, or if you did

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Speaker 5: the walls and then you've got some really effective thermal drapes,

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Speaker 5: it will make a difference. But you wouldn't do the walls,

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Speaker 5: if you haven't already done the ceiling and the underfloor.

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Speaker 7: Well, I've had all.

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Speaker 5: Good on you, Good on you.

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Speaker 7: I might just buy a new curtains.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and why not? Why not? Good on you. Hey,

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Speaker 5: lovely to talk to you. Thank you very much of

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Speaker 5: your time this morning. You take care righty Oh, Rud

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