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Speaker 1: Parliament's been thrown into disarray again today, with the Maori

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Speaker 1: Party again caught up in a hakka controversy. It's somewhat

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Speaker 1: overshadowing the party's big reset, which was supposed to change

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Speaker 1: the narrative after some pretty weird internal stuff. Former leader

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Speaker 1: or Flavel was watching the reset and it is with

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Speaker 1: us high it or does it feel to you like

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Speaker 1: an error pulling the hakka stunt on this day?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I don't know whether alreadiny had any

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Speaker 2: part to play, and that I think it was accepted.

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Speaker 2: Protocols has always been to allow a way to take place.

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Speaker 2: In the past, there's been hot so that it followed,

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Speaker 2: there hasn't been a big deal. And I'm wondering why

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Speaker 2: even now that it is such a big deals simply

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Speaker 2: a part of finishing over away at there's nothing in

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Speaker 2: it about it. Let it ride, it would have finished

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Speaker 2: and then everybody carry on. Seems to have gone to

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Speaker 2: another place. Unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: Now what do you what are you making of this reset?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like it's stealing with a couple

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Speaker 1: of things here. The first is tightening up on discipline,

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Speaker 1: in the second is releasing policy and wanting to be

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Speaker 1: taken seriously. Are they actually going to tighten up on discipline?

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Speaker 1: What does that mean for Copper Kenny.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's probably there's quite a lot of lot going

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Speaker 2: on in the party at the moment, and I think

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Speaker 2: the idea of a reset is probably appropriate right now,

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Speaker 2: bearing in mind that there's been a few issues that

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Speaker 2: they've had to deal with over the last couple of

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Speaker 2: months or so, and there's an election coming around the

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Speaker 2: around the corner in another year or so. They signaled

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Speaker 2: a desire to work with the Green and the Labor

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Speaker 2: Party and therefore probably does need to I suppose, give

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Speaker 2: a different view about how they see their role in politics.

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Speaker 2: So it's a good move to have a reset. Whether

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Speaker 2: that trans what that means in terms of translating into

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Speaker 2: policy gains, what means in terms of taking an approach

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Speaker 2: to the country and indeed reflecting the original cope of

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Speaker 2: the party Maori, I think still remains to be seen.

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Speaker 1: Do you think cople Kenny is safe in her position

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Speaker 1: in the party?

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Speaker 2: I think I think, well, who knows, but I think

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Speaker 2: she's done it. She has done a wonderful job. Know

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Speaker 2: she's she's a staunch in her beliefs, and where she

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Speaker 2: wants to go. She's considered, she knows where she wants

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Speaker 2: to go. And I've always enjoyed the interactions that I've

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Speaker 2: had with her because she talks from a real common

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Speaker 2: sense position. So I mean, in the end, there's there's

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Speaker 2: a number of things with there's a number of things

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Speaker 2: even bringing Hunnah forward. And as unfortunate as you say

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Speaker 2: that that things happen on today because already had the

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Speaker 2: moment and it was a big day for her and

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Speaker 2: her final and it could have been about about more

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Speaker 2: about that than anything else. But I mean, at least

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Speaker 2: there's a resetting and focusing on the future, which hopefully

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Speaker 2: will be the best interests of the party in the country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Haye to Goorddor, thank you as always or Fleavel,

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