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Speaker 1: the full picture. Heather Dupercy Ellen, Drive with one New

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Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show coming

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Speaker 2: out today. Auckland Councils valuations are out after honestly years

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Speaker 2: of waiting. We're going to speak to the council about it.

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Speaker 2: Nikola Willis is with us as for usual after six

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Speaker 2: and there's an alternative just cinder biography. They've kept everything

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Speaker 2: secret until now, but we'll reveal it a little bit

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Speaker 2: later on.

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Speaker 3: Heather duper Cy Ellen.

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Speaker 2: Look, anyone who thinks that Mark Robinson resigning from New

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Speaker 2: Zealand Rugby today as a shock clearly doesn't follow Rugby's

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Speaker 2: dramas with their brain fully turned out turned on. This

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Speaker 2: was not a shock at all. Anyone could see this coming.

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Speaker 2: This was coming the minute that David Kirk took over

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Speaker 2: as the chair. Now I don't want to be seen

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Speaker 2: to be saying that David Kirk forced him out. It

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Speaker 2: is in fact quite possible that Mark Robinson just read

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Speaker 2: the room and left of his owner called first. But

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Speaker 2: it was always going to happen, wasn't it because David

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Speaker 2: Kirk is the new broom, and the new broom generally

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Speaker 2: generally gets rid of things that aren't working, and unfortunately

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Speaker 2: for Mark Robinson that wasn't working. Now. I got no

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Speaker 2: hard feelings towards the guy. He seemed like a really

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Speaker 2: easy bloke, but he has not had the most glorious

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Speaker 2: of ten years, has he When he brought in the

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Speaker 2: Silver Lake deal, which has yet to bear any fruit

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Speaker 2: despite all of the drama it caused, and boy did

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Speaker 2: it cause drama. He totally stuffed up the Fozzy situation

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Speaker 2: when he tried to fire Fozzy and then didn't fire Fozzy,

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Speaker 2: and then eventually did manage to get rid of Fozzy,

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Speaker 2: but by then we all felt really bad for Fozzy.

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Speaker 2: And he persisted with a super rugby competition that isn't working,

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Speaker 2: the game has maybe managed to arrest the decline, but

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Speaker 2: nothing much else, and the rugby community is bruised after

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Speaker 2: that Silver Lake altercation. If there is a lesson here,

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Speaker 2: I reckon it may be that New Zealand Rugby might

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Speaker 2: want to replace Mark Robinson with someone who isn't a

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Speaker 2: rugby man or a rugby woman, whatever, someone who isn't

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Speaker 2: sentimental about the game, who can look at all of

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Speaker 2: this business with fresh eyes and say, why is that

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Speaker 2: happening that shouldn't necessarily necessarily be happening, have the courage

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Speaker 2: to change it because they don't actually care about rugby

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Speaker 2: needs because if there's one thing we all agree on,

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Speaker 2: it's that rugby needs change.

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Speaker 3: Heather do for Cela nineteen nine two is.

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Speaker 2: The text number. Standard text fees apply. I will talk

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Speaker 2: to Piney about it in a minute. Now, should young

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Speaker 2: farmers be allowed to use their Keiwi savers to buy

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Speaker 2: the first farm, the first flock, or the first herd.

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Speaker 2: Fed Farmers has just launched a petition calling on the

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Speaker 2: government to urgently change the key we Savior rules to

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Speaker 2: help farmers get their foot on the ladder. And Richard

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Speaker 2: McIntyre is fed Farmer's Dairy chair and with us now, hey, Richard, hey,

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Speaker 2: it seems to be a no brainer at least to

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Speaker 4: Right, oh, look at it very much? As to us,

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Speaker 4: heither you know, to us, this is very much about

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Speaker 2: What about the first heard though, Explain to me why

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Speaker 4: Well, Farming is very very capital intensive, and to get

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Speaker 2: Would that not be the same as me taking out

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Speaker 4: Well potentially, you know, and obviously they're going to need

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, now I know that there was Remind me

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Speaker 4: Sue's read made the MP further get together.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so like, let's not be I don't want to

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Speaker 2: The fact that they have got this, sus has put

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Speaker 4: So, first of all, we're divided with what Susan has done.

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Speaker 2: What's going on though, Rochard? I mean you guys are

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Speaker 2: Who is putting the kai bosh on this?

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Speaker 4: Well, not entirely sure at this point, but intially not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, brilliant stuff, Hey, Richard, thanks for talking us through

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Speaker 2: at Richard McIntire, Federated Farmer's Chairperson of Dairy. Yeah, not

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Speaker 2: to be disrespectful to sus but sus as their parking

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Speaker 2: Heather, You're right, Rugby does need to change, but it

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Speaker 2: The Israeli military has intercepted that ship carrying Greta Tunberg

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Speaker 2: Sam Emriosi correspondents with US Now Sam, Hello Sam, where

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Speaker 11: Mount Hotham Heather. Thirteen were rescued over the weekend on

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Speaker 11: the first day. Six have now spent two nights in

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Speaker 11: What they're saying is about minus four degrees and police

439
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Speaker 11: are obviously urging them to people to sort of pay

440
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Speaker 11: close attention to the weather warnings and monitor the conditions.

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Speaker 11: I think Ozzie's Heather are just a bit used to

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Speaker 11: sort of jump in the car going wherever they like.

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Speaker 11: But these days, with the floods and all these sorts

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Speaker 11: of things happening, we probably need to get a bit

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Speaker 11: better at preparing before we just jump in and head

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Speaker 11: off on these big trips.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you what. Listen, what's going to happen

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Speaker 2: to your super.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, this is Labour's plan to try and double it,

450
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Speaker 11: double the levee to thirty percent, but it's on people

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Speaker 11: with three million dollars or more in their superinnuation and

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Speaker 11: they're saying it's only going to affect about eighty thousand Australians.

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Speaker 11: The Greens are calling to lower the threshold to two million,

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Speaker 11: but with indexation. Don't ask me too much. On the economics, Heether,

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Speaker 11: I won't be able to tell you the final detail

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Speaker 11: of it all, but there's obviously plenty of loud opposition.

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Speaker 11: But you know, this is people who have two or

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Speaker 11: three million. To give you a bit of an idea,

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Speaker 11: they're saying something. Tanks are saying that people who leave

460
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Speaker 11: school this year will probably never have three million dollars

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Speaker 11: in their accounts. So it's rather depressing fact, but it's

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Speaker 11: also you know, what labor is trying to do obviously

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Speaker 11: is get a little bit more cream off the top

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Speaker 11: and we'll see if they can actually get it through.

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Speaker 2: Hey, were you a project viewer?

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Speaker 11: I definitely was when it was the seven PM Project.

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Speaker 11: I remember everyone sort of wondering what kind of show

468
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Speaker 11: this was going to be like and how could they possibly,

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Speaker 11: you know, fit a full current affairs program in half

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Speaker 11: an hour? And what was this program that was news?

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Speaker 11: But it was funny?

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Speaker 7: Was it comedy?

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Speaker 11: But Heather, as you might have heard, it's sort of

474
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Speaker 11: been in weeks of speculation, really, but Channel ten finally

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Speaker 11: confirming that the long running Current Affairs show has been asked.

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Speaker 2: What do you think why is it that you stopped watching?

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Speaker 7: Like?

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Speaker 2: Why is it that people used to watch it and

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Speaker 2: don't watch it anymore.

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Speaker 11: I think for me probably it was definitely aimed at

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Speaker 11: trying to get a younger generation into the news and

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Speaker 11: talking about the news, and it was shorter, sharper and

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Speaker 11: obviously bringing the comedy, and I think I sort of

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Speaker 11: grew out of it, you know, being over forty now.

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Speaker 2: And did it get it plate?

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Speaker 11: So yeah, I think you just sort of, yeah, you

487
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Speaker 11: want a bit more in depth inside and interestingly, you

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Speaker 11: know that's what they're going to replace it with. Heather.

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Speaker 11: They've apparently been secretly working on this new in house

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Speaker 11: investigative program that they're calling. The working title The Australian

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Speaker 11: says is Behind the Lines. And you might know Danim Hitchcock.

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Speaker 11: He's a reporter over here. He's been on seventh Spotlight program.

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Speaker 11: Apparently he's been drafted.

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Speaker 7: In to host that.

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Speaker 11: So to me, it kind of makes sense that you

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Speaker 11: know that they would go into something like this. I

497
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Speaker 11: think people are craving better investigative news. But interestingly, I

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Speaker 11: guess that means that they're thinking their audience has moved

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Speaker 11: into the older side of things rather than trying to

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Speaker 11: get the younger ones in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fair point. Actually a very interesting Sam.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Thanks so much, mate, Sam Emory, Australia Corresponder.

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Speaker 2: The reason I was asking Sam that is because I'm

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Speaker 2: kind of fascinated by what it is that causes you

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Speaker 2: to eventually drop off shows off your schedule, and I

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Speaker 2: think ultimately it comes down to time, doesn't it. That's

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Speaker 2: that's because it seems to me time is the thing

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Speaker 2: that we are all poor of. Some of us are

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Speaker 2: poor when it comes to money, but all of us

510
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Speaker 2: are poor when it comes to time. You just don't

511
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Speaker 2: have time to sit down and watch. This kind of

512
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Speaker 2: stuff always surprises me in my because in the industry

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Speaker 2: that I work, and obviously out what do we what

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Speaker 2: do we deal with? We deal with news? Hands up?

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Speaker 2: People out there? There's four people in that room who

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Speaker 2: watches the evening news? Still the kid? Are you a

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Speaker 2: broadcasting school student? No, you're not even in turn. No,

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Speaker 2: we don't even know who he is. There's some random

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Speaker 2: kid out there. The boss, Ah, the New Wellington reporter

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Speaker 2: are congratulations? Well you good, good that you used to

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Speaker 2: watch the news.

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Speaker 6: Marks Sansbury has his hand down as well.

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Speaker 2: You see Mark, there's five people out there Mark Sainsbury

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Speaker 2: doesn't watch the evening news. He basically was the evening news,

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Speaker 2: wasn't he for a really long time?

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Speaker 6: Well every night. Sorry, he's just corrected that.

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Speaker 2: Oh you're well, he's lying now and I was trying

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Speaker 2: to make himself look good. Will the guy who's the

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Speaker 2: new boss get out well the go then he's quite

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Speaker 2: a lot of rude signals that Mark Sainsbury for somebody

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Speaker 2: you think is a very nice, trusting man. Mark Will

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Speaker 2: the new boss, he didn't watch the evening news. Laura

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Speaker 2: the German, diligent and super intelligent doesn't watch even news

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Speaker 2: and ants who's a genius? He doesn't. And we're all

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Speaker 2: working in news. I'm literally me and the new Wellington

536
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Speaker 2: boy are literally the only people who watched the evening

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Speaker 2: news now and that what is that Telly about Tally?

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Speaker 2: It's stuff, isn't it?

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Speaker 8: Hey?

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Speaker 2: Listen? Israel's Foreign Ministry is calling Greta's boat the selfie

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Speaker 2: yacht of the celebrities, because it's got Greha on, it

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Speaker 2: has got Liam Cunningham of Game of Thrones, it's got

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Speaker 2: Rima Hassan, who's a French member of the europe European Parliament,

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Speaker 2: and blah blah blah. Anyway, they've got them, the rounded

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Speaker 2: them up, they're taking them back to Israel. They're going

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Speaker 2: to sort them Madamer Davidson is going to be on

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Speaker 2: the show in half an hour of the Greens. Obviously

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Speaker 2: she wants Israel to release Greta forthwith Greta's lucky that

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Speaker 2: Israel got there before Hermas did, because let's be honest

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Speaker 2: about it, if you're going to be taken hostage by

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Speaker 2: either of those sides, you'd rather it be Israel, wouldn't you. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Politics next, Politics with centrics, Credit, check your customers and

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Speaker 2: get payments certainty. Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors with us, Hey.

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Speaker 12: Thomas, good afternoon, Thomas.

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Speaker 2: Is not actual war going on here between Labor and

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Speaker 2: the Marty Party, is there.

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Speaker 12: I wouldn't describe it as an actual war. I mean

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Speaker 12: the Willie Jackson is using that war like language. He

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Speaker 12: was referred to it in similar terms on Q and

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Speaker 12: A over the weekend. But I mean, I suppose maybe

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Speaker 12: it's a cold war, you might say. Certainly, over the

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Speaker 12: last six months, I think Labour's become a bit exasperated

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Speaker 12: with some of the antics from to Party Marty. Obviously

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Speaker 12: there are kindred spirits. They believe in the same kind

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Speaker 12: of political you know, direction of travel. But you can

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Speaker 12: see it in the house to see a feust of

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Speaker 12: labor MPs looking a wee bit you know, unimpressed when

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Speaker 12: to Party Mardi gets a wee bit theatrical. You can

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Speaker 12: watch it even on the Herald. Now, last week we

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Speaker 12: had a panel with with Debor Russell, obviously Labour's revenue spokesperson.

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Speaker 12: She didn't look that impressed. She wasn't she wasn't like

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Speaker 12: rushing to defend some the theatrics of Party Marty in

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Speaker 12: that interview. So yeah, I think, I think, I think

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Speaker 12: you wouldn't describe it. I wouldn't describe it as war.

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Speaker 12: But but certainly things are read a low eve.

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Speaker 2: But I reckon, why why do you say that? Because

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Speaker 2: I'd love it to be. I mean, you know, I

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Speaker 2: love excitement and politics. I just can't see it. I can't.

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Speaker 2: This all just feels like Willie Jackson's exaggerations.

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Speaker 3: Isn't it the war?

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Speaker 12: Well so so the language, the wording that he used

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Speaker 12: was I don't want to war. I don't want to

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Speaker 12: war with Party Mardi and I don't think we should

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Speaker 12: be fighting or warring. The main problem here is the

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Speaker 12: government and any government. But but you know there is

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Speaker 12: there is that tension, I guess, and you are seeing

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Speaker 12: it now like Killy Tamahiri's video over the weekend having

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Speaker 12: a go at Willie Jackson and Adrian Rafe for their

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Speaker 12: speeches in the House.

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Speaker 2: And okay, so Thomas, I'll give you an alternative theory. Right,

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Speaker 2: They're just playing to their bases. Labor is just publicly

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Speaker 2: telling the Maori Party off because it knows that's what

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Speaker 2: voter its voters want to hear, and the party is

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Speaker 2: just telling them off for being too I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I suppose calm and playing by the rules because they

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Speaker 2: know that's what their voters want to hear. I don't

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Speaker 2: know that there's any indication that there's actually a war

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Speaker 2: going on. No affirmative.

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Speaker 12: Yes, I think parts of it are performative. I do think,

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Speaker 12: I do think for both sides as the you know,

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Speaker 12: Chrisippicins has said as the election gets closer, he has

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Speaker 12: promised to lay out how he's going to work with

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Speaker 12: the various potential coalition partners. Now, obviously, Winston Peters's ruled

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Speaker 12: Prissipicins out so so so the next government, if it's

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Speaker 12: a left wing government, will need to be some form

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Speaker 12: of Labor to party Marray and the Krins. And the

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Speaker 12: big question for Hipkins then is, well, you know, do

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Speaker 12: do you allow to party Mardi MP's into cabinet. You

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Speaker 12: know that that disciplin well, the discipline that I'm shown

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Speaker 12: is probably not cabinet materials.

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Speaker 2: Didn't I read in one of your columns that John

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Speaker 2: Tamerheady was in the Labor Party caucus room on the

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Speaker 2: night of the budget.

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Speaker 12: Yes, yes, hardly a war well, and I think I

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Speaker 12: think that is that is part of if there is

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Speaker 12: a war, and if there is a war, as to

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Speaker 12: say it's a cold war, I think that's part of it.

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Speaker 12: I think he came into that Corcus room and said, like, look,

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Speaker 12: I recognize that things are at a low ebb, but

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Speaker 12: we need to do what we do and you need

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Speaker 12: to do what you do. Which is the point I

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Speaker 12: guess that you're making, which is that they both are

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Speaker 12: doing their own thing and hoping it comes together around

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Speaker 12: election time, but they're there are some unresolved tensions there

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Speaker 12: between those two parties, and you're looking from the outside.

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Speaker 12: Now you'd have to say there's a decent chance those

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Speaker 12: two parties are not going to get the attentions resolved

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Speaker 12: by the time the campaign rolls around, because you can

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Speaker 12: beat you bottom dollar that the ex Party research unit

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Speaker 12: is making a good note of all of these videos

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Speaker 12: that people like Kiddy Tummy Herey are putting out on

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Speaker 12: social media and it's going to make a big song

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Speaker 12: and dance about them on the election campaign and Labors

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Speaker 12: is going to need to have to say something, you know,

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Speaker 12: Labor's going to need to have a position on them absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Now, what's the problem that the Greens have with the

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Speaker 2: NBR rich List.

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Speaker 12: Well, it's the problem with the problem that Greens have

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Speaker 12: with the NBA rich list is that they are too rich.

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Speaker 12: So the Greens, which it does, rather go with the

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Speaker 12: territory for both the richlest and the Greens. So the

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Speaker 12: Green Party put out a statement today the rich list

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Speaker 12: has topped on one hundred billion dollars for the first time,

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Speaker 12: so that is I think it's one hundred and nineteen

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Speaker 12: individuals worth one hundred and two billion dollars this year.

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Speaker 12: So the Greens are saying that the richless is now

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Speaker 12: worth more than one hundred billion dollars and contrasting at

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Speaker 12: against some of the welfare cuts that the government has done.

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Speaker 12: And the Greens then say it's times to tax wealth

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Speaker 12: and build a country where all of us can thrive.

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Speaker 12: So I think both both the richleest and the Greens

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Speaker 12: playing to type out the lord.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, Thomas, thanks very much, appreciate it as always, mate,

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you tomorrow. Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor,

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Speaker 2: eight away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspakers, some might asking breakfast.

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Speaker 13: Time Minister joins us last week's announcement on the lack

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Speaker 13: of guess how alarmed do you become?

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Speaker 7: Ehag time they say this.

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Speaker 14: I think this is one of the great tragedies of

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Speaker 14: New Zealand. We honestly have abundant natural resources and we

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Speaker 14: should not have an energy problem. The reality is this,

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Speaker 14: at eighty seven percent, we're a top ten country on

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Speaker 14: renewer books. We want to double that because we're going

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Speaker 14: to need it with data centers and other things.

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Speaker 13: Do you honestly believe, heart of hearts that we will

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Speaker 13: get to a renewable story in some way, shape or form.

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Speaker 13: I just don't increasingly don't see you. Well, we've got

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Speaker 13: to be so renewable and it's so unreliable.

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Speaker 14: That's the point I'm trying to make is that we

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Speaker 14: are going to need guests for several decades.

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Speaker 13: To go back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking

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Speaker 13: Breakfast with Alvida News Talk z B.

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Speaker 2: Hither I'm married and I'm basically not allowed to relax.

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Speaker 2: That's one mass is not allowed at I can't watch

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Speaker 2: the news. I mean that is true, though, isn't it

677
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Speaker 2: like there's a certain stage of your married life when

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Speaker 2: you have small children where you have like no time

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Speaker 2: to yourself. At the minute that you see someone in

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Speaker 2: the house, minute you see your husband's sort of going

681
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Speaker 2: to sit down with his phone, You're like, get up,

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Speaker 2: do the dishes. No, you know, no, you don't have to.

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Speaker 2: And then at about half past eight, you just fall

684
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Speaker 2: on the couch, don't you, sort of exhausted for thirty minutes,

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Speaker 2: just sit there sort of recovering. That's the state that

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Speaker 2: Mars is obviously, and it ain't no time for any news.

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Speaker 2: And that, by the way, I don't know if you

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Speaker 2: caught TV news, you see that that see the lead

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Speaker 2: story on TVNZ news last night about the missing nurse.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to talk about that because I don't

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Speaker 2: have time right now to talk about that, but we

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Speaker 2: will be talking about that. That was bloody weird, wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm happy to say Adrian All is still alive.

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Speaker 2: We've heard not not seeing him, not heard from him,

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Speaker 2: had no kind of proof of life, do you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean? We were like, does he still exist

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Speaker 2: or was he a figment of our imagination? No, Adrian

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Speaker 2: All has been spotted and he's alive. He was in

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Speaker 2: roade Vegas for the weekend with some people with a

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Speaker 2: lot of money, so that would upset the Greens, Wayne

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Speaker 2: Mulligan and Paul Morgan, who are pro forestry entrepreneurs. They

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Speaker 2: were at Pukihina Beach and they went to the Good

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Speaker 2: George Brewing and they had a beer and Adrian does

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Speaker 2: not wear a suit anymore because he doesn't have a

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Speaker 2: day job. So he is standing outside the pub with

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Speaker 2: his mate and he's got on a pair of what

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Speaker 2: looked like you remember when Converse Chuck Taylor's did the

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Speaker 2: like black leather version. You know, it was really cool

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Speaker 2: for a while there he's got them on. Not not

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Speaker 2: good for his feet. I would say he's going to

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Speaker 2: have to rethink that. At his age, you need a

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Speaker 2: little bit more support, but more cushioning, you know. But anyways,

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Speaker 2: got the mine he's got on a pair of skinny blacks.

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Speaker 2: Is definitely going for the grungey look like if he

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Speaker 2: started if he jumped into his sort of you know,

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Speaker 2: w RX and started blasting some she had, that would

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Speaker 2: not be that would not be out of out of

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Speaker 2: keeping with what he's wears. Got his Lumberjack jet tet

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Speaker 2: flannel shirt on, got a little kh ky under with

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Speaker 2: a little V neck on. Yeah, it's weird because it's

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Speaker 2: a little bit like when you remember when you're at

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Speaker 2: school and you see your teachers out in the town

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Speaker 2: and you're like, oh you you don't wear a suit

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Speaker 2: all the time. It's a little bit like that. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: I'm very happy to say Adrian is alive and maybe

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Speaker 2: one day we'll find out what happened Elliot Smith or

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Speaker 2: Mark Robinson next, who also probably will stop wearing a

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Speaker 2: suit in a minute.

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Speaker 15: News storgs beef.

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Speaker 1: Brother digging through the Smith spens to find the real

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Speaker 1: story story. It's hither dup the drive with one New

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Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected News Talks.

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Speaker 15: That'd be afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Mark Robinson has quit us the boss of New Zealand Rugby.

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Speaker 2: He's done five years in the job. He will depart

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Speaker 2: at the end of this year. News Talk zb's Elliot

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Speaker 2: Smith was at his press conference and is with us now, Hey, Elliott, Hello.

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Speaker 2: It was always going to end this way, wasn't it.

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Speaker 16: I think so yeah. Look, if you've got a new

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Speaker 16: board in charge, there's clearly a movement for change in

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Speaker 16: New Zealand rugby. Mike Robinson's got some family in Australia,

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Speaker 16: so I think ultimately it's probably a good time for

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Speaker 16: everyone to clear the dicks and you know, get onto

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Speaker 16: the next five to ten year cycle that New Zealand

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Speaker 16: Rugby can now plot out, which sees a lot of

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Speaker 16: change in the international game.

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Speaker 2: Especially. Do you think he will leave a mixed legacy

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Speaker 2: or just a poor legacy.

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Speaker 16: I think mixed, and I think the jury's out on

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Speaker 16: the Silver Lake investment and whether it's been used in

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Speaker 16: the right way, whether it was the right decision in

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Speaker 16: the first place. You know a lot of people around

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Speaker 16: the Super Rugby changes as well that came about as

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Speaker 16: a result of COVID also not a fan of those changes.

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Speaker 16: I think ultimately this year we've probably seen a better

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Speaker 16: competition than what we've had. There have been a number

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Speaker 16: of other challenges for the game as well. But on

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Speaker 16: the flip side, he's been at the forefront of getting

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Speaker 16: some of the key rules changed in rugby, some touring concepts,

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Speaker 16: you know, the New Zealand so Africa tours that are

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Speaker 16: going to be reintroduced from next year, the Global Nations

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Speaker 16: Cup which he's been quite hot on for his tenure

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Speaker 16: as well. So I think relatively mixed, but we probably

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Speaker 16: won't know the silver Lake sort of legacy for another

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Speaker 16: five or so years.

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Speaker 2: He has done things that perhaps now we are not

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Speaker 2: regarding as particularly wonderful, but it may be for.

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Speaker 16: Maybe in time. And look, if you know that New

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Speaker 16: Zealand so Africa series next year, which is going to

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Speaker 16: be a great tour, that's a lot of his work

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Speaker 16: that is going to be you know, part of that,

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Speaker 16: and the Nation's Cup is another one. So they have

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Speaker 16: been obviously marked and his tenure that the handling of

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Speaker 16: the Ian Foster saga in twenty twenty two when they

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Speaker 16: reappointed Ian Foster or kept them on through to the

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Speaker 16: World Cup. Wasn't handled particularly well, so I'll be fairly

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Speaker 16: comfortable saying a mix legacy at this point.

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Speaker 2: Okay, who would likely replace him? Who are they looking for?

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Speaker 16: Well, that's the question. I think they need someone. You know,

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Speaker 16: silver Lake supposedly was going to open up all these

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Speaker 16: doors to all these brains and concepts around the global

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Speaker 16: Who's around the silver Lake table, who's been in organizations

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Speaker 16: that have had silver Lap money? Maybe someone from that

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Speaker 16: comes on board. Does it have to be a New Zealander?

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Speaker 16: I don't know that it necessarily does. Does it have

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Speaker 16: to be a ruggy person, I don't know that it

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Speaker 16: necessarily does. It needs to be someone that understanding of

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Speaker 16: how high performance systems work but also how they filter

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Speaker 16: down to the grassroots, and the grassroots have been crying

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Speaker 16: out for more investment and obviously being the heartland of

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Speaker 16: the game for it for a number of years, they've

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Speaker 16: felt at times ignored. So it's going to be if

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Speaker 16: this some one with a whole whole of game concept,

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Speaker 16: I suppose that they're going to have to try and

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Speaker 16: find and it's very, very difficult to say. Running a

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Speaker 16: professional sports club elsewhere. It's a real nisty, gritty sort

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Speaker 16: of approach that you're going to have to find. And

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Speaker 16: they don't scream out to you across the table here

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Speaker 16: in New.

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Speaker 2: Right, Elliott, thank you so much. Always always enjoy having

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Speaker 2: a chat to you. That's Elliot Smith, Newstalks, AB's rugby

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Speaker 2: at It's now Mark Robinson Actually how the press conference

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Speaker 2: not long ago. He says that he's leaving ends at

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Speaker 2: AAR in a strong position.

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Speaker 17: Our teams, our athletes, our brands are far more recognizable

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Speaker 17: all around the world. We now invest, you know, close

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Speaker 17: to forty million dollars a year into the community game,

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Speaker 17: which is significantly above you know where it was previously.

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Speaker 3: Heather Duplessy Ellen.

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Speaker 2: Big day tomorrow if you're an Auckland rate payer. That's

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Speaker 2: when the new property rating valuations will be released. Now.

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Speaker 2: On average, residential property values have fallen in nine percent

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Speaker 2: since the last valuation in twenty twenty one. Ross Tucker

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Speaker 2: is Auckland Council Group CFO. Hey, Ross, Hello, She's nine

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Speaker 2: percent is a bit big. What happened.

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Speaker 7: So that's that is the movement that we've seen over

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Speaker 7: that period.

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Speaker 18: So these are the valuations as it May last year,

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Speaker 18: it's and the nine percent is the movement from twenty

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Speaker 18: twenty one to twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 7: This reflects what we've seen in the market.

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Speaker 18: Anyone that's been following the property market will know things

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Speaker 18: have come off over that period largely due to rising

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Speaker 18: higher interest rates. And this is the results that we've seen.

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Speaker 7: Okay, do want it ret rate?

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Speaker 18: These are rating valuations than that as of May last year.

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Speaker 18: They're not in indication what things would sell for today.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and why has it fallen so much more in

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Speaker 2: the city center.

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Speaker 18: So that that is that's the result of supply and demand.

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Speaker 18: What we've seen. One of the reasons might be that

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Speaker 18: there is is because of the apartments in converted flats.

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Speaker 18: We've seen apartments for twelve percent, converted flats for twelve

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Speaker 18: percent as well. Also, we've seen some of the areas

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Speaker 18: where there's a lot of development potential have have bigger

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Speaker 18: than average falls as well.

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Speaker 2: Now, residential has gone down, industrial has gone up. Right,

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Speaker 2: Does that mean that residential pays less in rates than

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Speaker 2: industrial or are they each individually ring fenced and has

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Speaker 2: no bearing on the other.

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Speaker 18: They are individually ring fence businesses do pay higher rates

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Speaker 18: and that that is that's unchanged by these valuations.

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Speaker 7: So the rates increase is set by a budget.

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Speaker 18: It's not determined by the evaluations. The average is set

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Speaker 18: by how much money the council needs. Where the valuations

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Speaker 18: come in is who pays more than the average?

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Speaker 7: It pays what's one's rates increases above or below the average?

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Speaker 2: Hey, what's going on in Great Barrier? Did that just

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Speaker 2: go up thirty eight percent?

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Speaker 18: It's gone up thirty eight percent and the previous evaluations

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Speaker 18: that went up fifty nine percent. So what we've seen

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Speaker 18: there is it's moved up from a very low base.

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Speaker 18: It's that they still have the lowest capital value in

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Speaker 18: any part of Auckland, so it's about seven hundred and

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Speaker 18: forty thousand, and they also have the lowest rates.

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Speaker 3: Ross.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for talking, ust I to appreciate it, Ross Tucker,

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Speaker 2: Auckland Council Group CFO together do for clen Our government's

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Speaker 2: announced today it's popping more money into tourism New Zealand

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Speaker 2: now another thirteen point five million. I say another thirteen

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Speaker 2: point five million, because a couple of months ago they

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Speaker 2: put the first thirteen point five million boost in and

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Speaker 2: they wanted to get twenty three thousand international visitors. Now

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Speaker 2: this thirteen point five million, they reckon, we'll attract seventy

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Speaker 2: two thousand more international visitors. Markets they're heating are Australia,

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Speaker 2: the United States and China. I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we'll see, right, I don't know. The thing is, I

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Speaker 2: just don't know how you get those numbers. How do

869
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Speaker 2: you say I'm gonna put this much money in and

870
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Speaker 2: this is how many people we're gonna get. It just

871
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Speaker 2: feels like it feels like you're just plucking numbers out

872
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Speaker 2: of it. But you know, like worth ago, why not.

873
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Speaker 2: You know, if it's gonna surely it's gonna bring somebody.

874
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: But incidentally, speaking of this, there was an article of

875
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Speaker 2: the Telegraph this morning about a couple who've moved from

876
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Speaker 2: I think it is Cheltenham to Funga Parowa in Auckland

877
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: and they are raving, raving about moving to New Zealand

878
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 2: say it's even better than Australia. Now this runs this

879
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: is I know we're all shocked. So I'm gonna bring

880
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Speaker 2: you some of that. I'm going to read you some

881
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Speaker 2: of what they have to say, because I think sometimes

882
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 2: we've got to realize how good. We've actually got it here,

883
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Speaker 2: so stand by for that fourteen past five. Hey, if

884
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 2: you're going to head over to Field Days, you need

885
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 2: to check out the BYD stand because there is something

886
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: there for everyone. You've got the family cars, you've got

887
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: the SUVs, you got the little cars, you got the utes.

888
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 2: If you're a farmer, you need to see the utes.

889
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 2: You need to see the Sharks six super ute. And

890
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 2: this is why you need to see it right now,

891
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 2: because BYD you have a Field Days deal. It's called

892
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: Field Days five thousand dollars your way. So what it

893
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Speaker 2: means is if you buy yourself a new BYD Dolphin

894
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 2: Atto three cl C Line six, Sea Line seven or

895
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Speaker 2: Shark six, and if you buy it in the month

896
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Speaker 2: of June, you will receive five thousand dollars. You can

897
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Speaker 2: spend that anyway you want. You can upgrade the vehicle,

898
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Speaker 2: you can personalize it with the range of accessories, you

899
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Speaker 2: can put it towards the cost of the vehicle or

900
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Speaker 2: the on road costs. You will still get yourself the

901
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Speaker 2: six year warranty up to one hundred and fifty thousand

902
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Speaker 2: k's and eight years of roadside assistance. It's the Field

903
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Speaker 2: Days five thousand dollars. Your way valid for the month

904
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Speaker 2: of June only. Terms and conditions apply. Head to byd

905
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Speaker 2: auto dot co dot mz for more information and check

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Speaker 2: out byd Auto at field Days cite j thirty.

907
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Speaker 3: Two together dupers Ellen Heather.

908
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Speaker 2: The RV for my house in Wellington went down by

909
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Speaker 2: twenty five percent of the same period. Boohoo, Auckland, you

910
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: only went down nine percent. How will you survive? Look,

911
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 2: it's very different for Auckland, though, isn't it. You know

912
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 2: that nine percent for Auckland is like nine hundred percent

913
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Speaker 2: for everybody else. Eighteen past five now Greta Tunberg's ship

914
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Speaker 2: has been seized by the Israeli military. Greta claims she's

915
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Speaker 2: been kidnapped. Israel says the activists on board the ship

916
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Speaker 2: will be returned to their home countries. In the aid

917
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Speaker 2: on the ship will be transported to Gaza. Green's co leader,

918
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Speaker 2: Madima Davidson is with me, high Madama Kilda Heather, are

919
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: you calling on Israel to release her?

920
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Speaker 19: We want to see fact passage of all of the

921
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Speaker 19: civilians on board the boat to Medlinge, Heather. We also

922
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Speaker 19: want to see Israel stop shooting at innocent people lining

923
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Speaker 19: up for a kai and we're calling on the government

924
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Speaker 19: to sanction Israel for its violent occupation of Palestine.

925
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Speaker 2: Do you think it is actually helpful for the likes

926
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Speaker 2: of Greta Tunberg to turn up there, because I mean,

927
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Speaker 2: I would say everybody has got their hands full trying

928
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Speaker 2: to deal with a pretty awful situation. Surely she's just

929
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Speaker 2: going to make matters worse.

930
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Speaker 19: What could make matters worse? When Israel themselves have been

931
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Speaker 19: deciding to continue the violence, the horror, the bombardment, the

932
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Speaker 19: shooting people lining up for a coy. Greta didn't cause that,

933
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Speaker 19: No other civilian has caused that. It's we need to

934
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Speaker 19: do everything we can here to bring attention and horror

935
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Speaker 19: to what is happening, and people are looking for anything

936
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Speaker 19: to do. Similarly, we need to call out all governments

937
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Speaker 19: to step up and do everything they possibly can to

938
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Speaker 19: call this out.

939
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Speaker 2: Hey, what's the problem with the NBR rich list?

940
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Speaker 19: Ah, Like, it's just another example and some evidence of

941
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 19: you know, how flawed our tax system is. When we've

942
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Speaker 19: got that rich list while we've got children still living

943
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Speaker 19: in poverty. Those political decisions and the government could actually

944
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Speaker 19: end poverty and redistribute wells better. But you know, I'm

945
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Speaker 19: really keen to keep talking about what has happened and

946
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Speaker 19: what is happening to the people in Gaza as well.

947
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Speaker 2: Okay, Madama, thank you. I appreciate it. Madima Davidson, co

948
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Speaker 2: leader of the Green Party. Now you know how I

949
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 2: feel about the AI I have. I'm late to the party,

950
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: but I am now enthusiastic about it. And so what

951
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Speaker 2: I'm going to be watching tomorrow is what Apple is

952
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Speaker 2: up to. Tomorrow at five Apple's got its annual Worldwide

953
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Speaker 2: Developers Conference. Now, this is the thing where they often

954
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 2: will unveil like a you know, a new iPhone or

955
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Speaker 2: an upgraded smart watch or whatever, you know, the latest

956
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: like well you AirPods that can listen on conversations, that

957
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 2: kind of thing. All the new gadgetry they reveal, but

958
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 2: that apparently not expected to do that tomorrow, No gadgetary.

959
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: What they're expected to announce is what their gadgets can

960
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Speaker 2: do with AI. So how they going because they are

961
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 2: very late to the AI party. If you see think

962
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Speaker 2: about it, well, what's what's Apple doing? AI wise? You

963
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: can talk about what Microsoft is doing and that's pretty

964
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 2: cool stuff. Apple's not really doing all that much anyway,

965
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Speaker 2: so they are expected to announce that, and there'll be

966
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Speaker 2: a lot of pressure on them because last year they

967
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Speaker 2: announced that they would be doing something at the event,

968
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Speaker 2: but then there have been delays and what they've produced

969
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Speaker 2: has been underwhelming. So tomorrow's our opportunity five in the

970
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 2: morning to see if they've made any headway. Tune in

971
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Speaker 2: for that five to twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Informed insight into today's issues. It's hither duplicy elan drive

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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be Hi Heather.

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Speaker 2: As much as I don't like the Greens, I like

976
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Speaker 2: did children less Madama. Davidson has spot on sanctions now, Nick, Nick,

977
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Speaker 2: I think I would agree with you on that one.

978
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Speaker 2: That and a little bit of action from our government

979
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: on that front quite what they need to do. I

980
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Speaker 2: don't know. I'm happy I'm not the Foreign Minister at

981
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Speaker 2: the moment, but yeah, I'd like to see some action there.

982
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Speaker 2: I think we all would. Five twenty four. Now, speaking

983
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Speaker 2: of action, have you seen what schools have been spending

984
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Speaker 2: their money on? I don't You're not going to love

985
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Speaker 2: this because I didn't love this when I read about

986
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: it in the papers yesterday. Let's start with jackets. Bream

987
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: Bay College in Northland. Now Northland is not known as

988
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 2: an area that's particularly wealthy in this country. Bream Bay

989
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: College in Northland spent five six hundred dollars on jackets

990
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: for the staff for the school photos. Not for going

991
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: out in the rain when they're coaching the football after

992
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: school or doing the pedestrian crossing, nothing like that. It's

993
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 2: for the school photos. Now, that's one expensive photo if

994
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 2: you ask me. The same school also spent twenty four

995
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars on gifts and parties in twenty twenty three

996
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 2: because of Manarchi tongue. Meanwhile, kids in Northland sometimes don't

997
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 2: have shoes, but the teachers have jackets, so that's nice.

998
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: One school approved twenty thousand dollars for the principal to

999
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Speaker 2: go to Europe to go and find some international students.

1000
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: Principle went away with twenty thousand dollars approved, spent forty

1001
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. Now, I think you will find that most

1002
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 2: people cannot afford a forty thousand dollars trip for a

1003
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Speaker 2: whole family, let alone a principle. Clinton Park School, Adescile

1004
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,439
Speaker 2: one school, which, by the way, if you don't remember,

1005
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Speaker 2: the DECYLE rating is the poorest decyle you can get. Decyle.

1006
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 2: One school paid for seven staff to go to Hawaii

1007
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 2: as part of its urban Hapoo initiative. Three kids went

1008
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: on that trip who didn't even attend the school. Not appropriate.

1009
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Speaker 2: The board of Tamiki School in Canterbury paid six thousand

1010
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Speaker 2: dollars directly to the principle to be spent on professional

1011
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 2: coaching and well being support, hoping that the principal would

1012
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 2: spend it on professional coaching and wellbeing support. Bit of

1013
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: a high trust a trust model there, a little bit

1014
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 2: of an honesty box system. Fifty four schools in total

1015
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Speaker 2: spent money on weird things like gym memberships, pilates, classes,

1016
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Speaker 2: sports events, nutritional consultations, adventure tourism, guided walks and overseas

1017
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Speaker 2: family travel. And when the union found out about it,

1018
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 2: they said, oh, look, it's very stressful being a principal.

1019
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: They need to spend money on this kind of thing.

1020
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Speaker 2: Now all of this has come to light because the

1021
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Speaker 2: Auditor General has finally gone through the books of some

1022
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: of these schools. Sometimes these schools have not been audited

1023
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: in something like nine years The problem, of course, is

1024
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Speaker 2: that when we see stuff like this, we lose faith

1025
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Speaker 2: in our educators, kind of in the same way that

1026
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 2: when we see charities wasting money, we lose faith in

1027
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Speaker 2: charities and don't want to give them any more money. Now,

1028
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Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but I already have a

1029
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Speaker 2: pretty high degree of suspicion when I hear educators complaining

1030
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Speaker 2: about what's going on. Oh, they don't have enough money

1031
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 2: for the maldi classrooms, or they don't have enough money

1032
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Speaker 2: to feed the kids, or they don't have enough money

1033
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 2: to buy devices for pupils. I already suspect that they're

1034
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 2: prone to exaggeration, But now I will be even more

1035
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Speaker 2: sure that they're prone to exaggeration. Because I don't know

1036
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Speaker 2: about you, but I bring my own jacket to work.

1037
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Speaker 2: Don't you ever do? For see Ellen, can you believe this?

1038
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Speaker 2: If I tell you this? Laura the producer had not

1039
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Speaker 2: eaten How old are you, Laura?

1040
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Speaker 20: Oh?

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Speaker 2: State secret? I would say, I'd say sort of, would

1042
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Speaker 2: I say, early to mid thirties, early to mid thirties,

1043
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Speaker 2: had never eaten a single piece of KFC in her

1044
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Speaker 2: whole life until now. I brought KFC in because because

1045
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Speaker 2: I decided because I know ants, and Ants loves a

1046
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Speaker 2: feed and answers the reason that we got the Radio

1047
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Speaker 2: Award last week because Ants is the one who puts

1048
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Speaker 2: all the hard work into making this package come together.

1049
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Speaker 2: And nobody ever says thank you to Ants. They just

1050
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 2: assume their ants will do the job right. So I thought,

1051
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna do what Ants loves. I'm gonna

1052
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Speaker 2: feed them. So I brought him some KFC in and

1053
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Speaker 2: I said to Laura, do you want to have some KFC?

1054
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Speaker 2: It's out there? And she said, well, I've never had any.

1055
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Speaker 2: She quite enjoyed it, and she's a bit of a cook.

1056
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: She knows how to do her business anyway. So we

1057
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,959
Speaker 2: were talking about how mental that is. When Carrie would

1058
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Speaker 2: have walked past, she hadn't eaten. Kerrie would be mid

1059
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Speaker 2: to late thirties. Do you think she hadn't had KFC

1060
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Speaker 2: in her whole life until two weeks ago and hated it.

1061
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Speaker 2: Now this blows my mind because I don't know about you,

1062
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Speaker 2: but I mean, I think you can live without McDonald's,

1063
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 2: you can live without Wendy's, you can live without all

1064
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 2: that burger king and that kind of crap. But surely

1065
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 2: if you're gonna have a take like if you're gonna

1066
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 2: have exposed yourself to take away KFC because it's the

1067
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Speaker 2: good stuff, isn't it crazy? Eight headline's next.

1068
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Speaker 1: On the iHeart app, and in your car on your

1069
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Speaker 1: drive home, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New

1070
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Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news talk sa'd be.

1071
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Speaker 3: It said, Hi, nice to meet you too. By maybe you.

1072
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Speaker 7: Eat you gole yes, get up that fee.

1073
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Speaker 2: She's it live forever how I was standing by. I'm

1074
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Speaker 2: somewhat surprised by the number of people who've gone through

1075
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Speaker 2: this far through life without experiencing things. Hither. I haven't

1076
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Speaker 2: eaten CAFC. I'm sixty three years old, Carolyn, go and

1077
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Speaker 2: get it. You haven't lived Hither. I'm sixty one. I

1078
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Speaker 2: just tried my first feed Joer. Okay, unless you're a migrant,

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Speaker 2: you ain't got any excuses. Colin, Hither, I'm sixty soon.

1080
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 2: I've never eaten McDonald's. I haven't eaten caves since I

1081
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Speaker 2: was a can and they opened up on the pan

1082
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 2: meal basin and thank you very much. Either listen, either

1083
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 2: what it is is that you're not living or you

1084
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 2: have amazing self control, and one of them is excellent

1085
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 2: and the other one is obviously not. Nichola Willis is

1086
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 2: going to be us after six And what I said

1087
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 2: on Friday, I still believe this. Having read all the

1088
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Speaker 2: stuff over the weekend, it seems to me the Michael

1089
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 2: Forbes thing, The biggest thing here is that the cops

1090
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 2: have stuff this up massively. So we're going to talk

1091
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: to you know, who is the creeper used to work

1092
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Speaker 2: for the Prime minister. Have a chat to Nikola about

1093
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 2: that after six. Right now, it's twenty three away from six.

1094
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Speaker 3: Now forgather do for see Allen.

1095
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of talk about Jasinda Arderne's new biography,

1096
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 2: of course, but in the midst of it all you

1097
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 2: may have noticed some ads for another Justinda book. We

1098
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Speaker 2: can reveal tonight that the mystery unauthorized Justinda biography is

1099
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Speaker 2: being written by journalist David Cohen, and David's with me.

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Speaker 15: Now, Hey, David, top of.

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Speaker 8: The morning to you, Heather. I'm in rural Ireland. Can

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Speaker 8: you believe so? I think this is the first time

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Speaker 8: in my life I've done such an interview sort of

1104
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Speaker 8: in spirit.

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Speaker 2: Have you gone to Ireland? Have you gone to Ireland

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Speaker 2: to go interview Trevor Mallard for the book?

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Speaker 8: Is he still here now? I'm actually doing an assignment

1108
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 8: for the Listener over here, but I've been in Britain

1109
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 8: doing the final interviews for my Just Cinder our Duran work.

1110
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Speaker 2: Now, David, did you time the ads? Am I right

1111
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 2: in thinking you time the ads for your book for

1112
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 2: the same day that she released her book?

1113
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 8: Correct? Or, more specifically, because I've been in the British

1114
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 8: isles the Centrist, with whom I relatively recently made a

1115
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 8: commercial arrangement with, we're behind the billboards and also the

1116
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 8: website just senderbook dot com.

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00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 2: Right, So does this mean that you're being financially backed

1118
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 2: by Jim Grennan by the Centrist, which is financially backed

1119
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Speaker 2: by Jim.

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Speaker 8: I don't know what their arrangement is that you should

1121
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Speaker 8: ask then.

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Speaker 2: Okay, be said carefully, David, is this legit? Have you

1123
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: got yourself a publisher?

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Speaker 8: The short answer is yes, but it's also been negotiated

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Speaker 8: at the moment, which is there is one international publisher

1126
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 8: that is extremely keen on the project. So I'll know

1127
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 8: within within within the coming weeks where that one's going

1128
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Speaker 8: fairly confident. I am absolutely confident that this will be

1129
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Speaker 8: out this year later this year, that I've got no doubt.

1130
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Speaker 2: I've had a look at your website and it seems

1131
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: to me, based on the comments that you've got on there,

1132
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 2: that you have spoken to at least one cabinet minister,

1133
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:52,720
Speaker 2: Is that right, former cabinet minister?

1134
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Speaker 8: Oh, more than one, more than one. One of the

1135
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 8: reasons as a journalist that I'm that I'm really proud

1136
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 8: of this work is because it does what every other

1137
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 8: work on just Cindra Adan has not done pulpably, which

1138
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 8: is to bring in a multitude of voices from the left,

1139
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Speaker 8: from the right, from the center, and from everywhere else.

1140
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 8: And as an example of that politically every party, virtually

1141
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 8: every party is well represented among the voices, among the interviewees,

1142
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 8: among the one hundred or so folk including you, that

1143
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 8: that that generously gave their time and their comments and

1144
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 8: perspectives on the former pristment.

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00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 2: Listening to Hoskin talking a few weeks ago and he

1146
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: said he'd spoken to somebody about a book. Was that

1147
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 2: you yes, okay, so you've got.

1148
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Speaker 8: He So, just to clarify, Mike is most certainly in

1149
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 8: the book will be he spoke with my offside, if

1150
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 8: I can put that without its sounding patronizing. Rebecca Keeler,

1151
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 8: I've been working on working with She's a co author

1152
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 8: and has done a substantial number of the interviews.

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00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 2: Now now, David, I mean you've obviously had access to

1154
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: a reasonable number of people who I think we would

1155
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,919
Speaker 2: all regard as being quite well informed in the very

1156
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: center of it. The only trouble that you seem to

1157
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 2: have is that an association with a Centrist would possibly

1158
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 2: lend your book to kind of becoming a bit fringe.

1159
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 2: Are you worried about that?

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Speaker 8: If I had a Creative New Zealand funding, I would

1161
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 8: be concerned about it being fringe, because that seems to

1162
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 8: be the account for a lot of that agency's sponsorship

1163
00:54:54,920 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 8: at the moment. No, there's no editorial intercession. I've done

1164
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Speaker 8: nine books. My hands are clean journalistically and they're certainly

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00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 8: going to remain so. If somebody were to say, from

1166
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Speaker 8: Centrist or from anywhere, you must do this or that,

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Speaker 8: then I would be out brilliant.

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Speaker 2: David, listen, look after yourself and enjoy Ireland, and I

1169
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 2: certainly will be reading the book when it comes out.

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Speaker 2: That's David Cohen, author of the Justinder book The.

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Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find you're one

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Speaker 1: of the.

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Speaker 2: Kind which ps I don't know if you gathered just

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Speaker 2: from you know, broadly, it's not going to be a

1175
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Speaker 2: hagiography of Justina, is it. It's going to be a

1176
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 2: little bit more critical, isn't it. Trus Sherson, Mark Sainsbury.

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Speaker 2: I huddle this evening. Hell are you too? Hello?

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Speaker 4: Hello?

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Speaker 21: And I wonder if that book we'll ask the one

1180
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Speaker 21: question that none of the global interviewers did in that

1181
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 21: water wall come Justinda's book last year, which is what

1182
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 21: result did your empathy and kindness deliver for the people

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00:55:58,280 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 21: of New Zealand?

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Speaker 2: Can you answer that question?

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00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 7: True?

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00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 21: Well I can, and in fact a lot of ballooning debt,

1187
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 21: but well, ballooning ballooning debt, but also a lot of

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00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 21: people were talking last week about the lack of empathy

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Speaker 21: with some of the decisions and all of the you know,

1190
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Speaker 21: all of the businesses that went to.

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00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 2: Yep, balloon regrustrations, social division. I don't I think if

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00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 2: that's what empathy looks like, I'll just go empathy free

1193
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 2: for the rest of my life.

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Speaker 21: I find if it was empathy with a side of results.

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00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 21: But unlike k see, you didn't get it. Didn't get

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00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 21: a good salty side, did you.

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00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 15: But you've been interviewed for the book header. Yes, oh,

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00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 15: so there will be an empathetic.

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Speaker 2: I'll be the lone voice who says Jack Thunder was great.

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00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 2: I loved her. Hey does this surprise you at all?

1201
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 2: Saying so to see Mark Robinson quit this early into

1202
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 2: David Kirks ten.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, look, it's interesting and I'm always fascinated when they

1204
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 15: have those things. You're wanting to spend more time with

1205
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 15: the family. It was like, remember Boris Johnson's brother resigned

1206
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 15: from cabinet to spend less time with the family. But

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Speaker 15: I mean it does see genuine that his family is

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Speaker 15: over there.

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Speaker 2: But recently dispatched this.

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00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's been it's been an interesting time. And you

1211
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 15: look at the whole silver Ac deal and the player's

1212
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 15: rebellion and all the stuff that he's sort of been through. Yeah,

1213
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 15: like you just think you may well have had enough

1214
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 15: time to move on that it's enough. Funny state that

1215
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 15: he's in rugby union.

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Speaker 2: I just wondered, I thought, saying so he might have

1217
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: read the room. I mean, David Kirk is the new

1218
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: broom and he was going to pick up the old

1219
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 2: Mark Robbo and brought him away. Will't that well?

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Speaker 15: He was speaking very sort of you know, what a

1221
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 15: wonderful job he had done, so they always do in

1222
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 15: these situations. Yeah, look, club got a lot of and

1223
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 15: of course don't forget Mark Romson came in enoughter Steve cho.

1224
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 15: You know, he'd been something of an institution that's always

1225
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 15: a hard actor for it.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if Trish perhaps what they should do. I

1227
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 2: mean I did say this. I do think that they

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00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 2: should get somebody who's not a rugby head in there.

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Speaker 21: And also I heard you say that I completely agree,

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00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 21: and also somebody who doesn't speak rugby. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 21: I think part of Mark's sort of issue during his tenure,

1232
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 21: there's been some.

1233
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 2: Really stuff, tough stuff to deal with.

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00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 21: But if you watched him in some of those press conferences,

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00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 21: especially around Ian Foster, he actually looked stricken. He looked,

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00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 21: you know, absolutely ill with stress, and he often was

1237
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 21: in interviews and you could hear interviewers frustrated because they

1238
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,439
Speaker 21: couldn't get a straight answer or words more than sort

1239
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 21: of going forward and ninety minutes of rugby out of him.

1240
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 21: I think the other point here, though, is they often

1241
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 21: say in business that you have a chair and a

1242
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 21: CEO for the season, and the chair CEO role is

1243
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 21: absolutely critical in any organization. So David Kirk has come in.

1244
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 21: He's the right chair for the season. He's got huge

1245
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 21: commercial chops, even though he came out of rugby originally.

1246
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:45,919
Speaker 2: Don't forget.

1247
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 21: He's run things like Fairfax Media, et cetera. And I

1248
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 21: think he will be critical in recruiting the new CEO

1249
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 21: and he will want someone with real commercial trap.

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00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 15: And I say they're combining the job too, aren't they,

1251
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 15: Because he's then someone a separate CEO running the commercial

1252
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 15: money raising activities in Canada that year.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, that's that seems silly. All right, we'll take

1254
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 2: a break, come back to you guys. Shortly fourteen away from.

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Speaker 1: Six the Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty achieve

1256
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: extraordinary results with unparallel reach.

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00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 2: Back of the Huddle, Trishurson, Mark Sainsbury, Trish, what did

1258
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 2: you make of the school spending?

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00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 21: Well, I am not a fan of this kind of

1260
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 21: public money, just sloshing around without any checks.

1261
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 2: And balance, because that's the problem here, this is the

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00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 2: core of it.

1263
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 21: And so I take it there is the six thousand

1264
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 21: dollars pot of money available to principles for well being.

1265
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 21: But in one case that the order to general pulled out,

1266
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 21: that six thousand dollars was just paid over into someone's

1267
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 21: bank account. No one then said, oh, hey, once you're

1268
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,439
Speaker 21: back at school, can you run us through you know

1269
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 21: what we need to know out of your trip.

1270
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 2: So I think, because I don't know about you, but

1271
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 2: if they paid me six thousand dollars for personal development,

1272
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 2: i'd spent it on KFC.

1273
00:59:59,000 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 3: Do you know.

1274
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 2: I don't think I've wasted on.

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01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 21: Actually that's a big bucket for you. But I think

1276
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 21: I think that's the issue. And so there's two things.

1277
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 21: At a personal level, it's not there's no checks and balances.

1278
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 21: When you've got anybody in an organization signing off their

1279
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 21: own credit card sensory principles, well that that is just

1280
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 21: very poor practice. And then at a board level there's

1281
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 21: not enough oversight. And then from a ministry level they

1282
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 21: need to review that whole wellbeing scheme. Yes, people are stressed,

1283
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 21: but it doesn't mean you can just get six thousand

1284
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 21: dollars cash, and in.

1285
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 15: Any other does if you're a teaching well yeah, but.

1286
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 21: In any other business if you were getting that type

1287
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 21: of money, that would have tax implications for you or

1288
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 21: fringe benefit tax implications. So is that is that being

1289
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 21: looked into now?

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01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 15: The only other thing though, is this And I don't

1291
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 15: know what the extent is of what the order still

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Speaker 15: hasn't released, but this was about fifty three schools, correct.

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Speaker 2: About fifty four?

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Speaker 15: Wife fifty four schools. There are two five hundred and

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Speaker 15: fifty three schools in New Zealand. So on one hand,

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Speaker 15: if your well we only found a problem out of

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Speaker 15: two percent, you know that's not so. And I'm not

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Speaker 15: excusing the spending, but I think we do have to

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Speaker 15: keep it in perspective. Is it out of control right

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Speaker 15: across the educational sector or have they just picked up

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Speaker 15: something that is it stupid spending?

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Speaker 2: Isn't that part of the problem? Saying so? Is that

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Speaker 2: all it takes is one charity to waste money for

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Speaker 2: us to not want to give to any of them.

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Speaker 2: And the same thing is true of schools. Can I

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Speaker 2: ask you a question, do you think it's okay for

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Speaker 2: the school to spend the money on the jackets for

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Speaker 2: teachers for a school photo.

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Speaker 15: See now, when I read that, they started the saying

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Speaker 15: was for the school photo, then they said it was

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Speaker 15: for outdoor. It's a area. So whether this was a

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Speaker 15: respective a retrospective sort of thing to yeah, you shouldn't

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Speaker 15: be buying sort of jackets for the for the school

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Speaker 15: photos is a bit nef you know well, And and

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Speaker 15: then I love the trip with some of the kids

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Speaker 15: didn't even go to the school. That was the one

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Speaker 15: that got me. But I come back to if it's

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Speaker 15: only fifty three schools out of two thousand and five

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Speaker 15: hundred and fifty three, you two are just education.

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Speaker 21: Thank you, thank you for I really hate radio listeners

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Speaker 21: could see that Sames has actually got his calculations literally

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Speaker 21: written on the back of his hand by with a ballpoint.

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Speaker 2: P Did you do it by you? Did you use

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Speaker 2: the phone calculator?

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Speaker 15: The yeah, no, no no. When I was sitting there,

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Speaker 15: I didn't have any note, but I wanted to thought,

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Speaker 15: now I must remember that figure about.

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Speaker 2: So you did do it in the calculator, and then

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Speaker 2: right in.

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Speaker 15: The calculator, I just wrote down two thousand and five

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Speaker 15: hundred and fifty three in my hand.

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Speaker 21: That's what happens. That's what happened in the days when

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Speaker 21: you've got a good matheen the calculator.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember when he just could teach.

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Speaker 15: Mat I am going to need counseling after this.

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Speaker 2: Do you eat AFC now?

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Speaker 15: Funny thing? No, not very really and it's a hangover.

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Speaker 15: And I worked with this one of the most fabulous producers,

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Speaker 15: Mary and a Hearne. Are you know really Mary andyting KFC?

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Speaker 21: Really?

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Speaker 15: I was weather at the at the Democratic Party National

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Speaker 15: convention in Boston in two thousand when she had McDonald's

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Speaker 15: and pursues the only food available at the time, first

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Speaker 15: time ever. She's a class and there was a never

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Speaker 15: seen a do it again. Yeah, she's fabulous, fabulous chef.

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Speaker 21: But well, I love the fact that you covered your

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Speaker 21: office this afternoon in shame gravy, as Laura told me,

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Speaker 21: by bringing them all CAFC. I happy to let you

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Speaker 21: know a little secret about our family. We actually take

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Speaker 21: pride in the fact that we have popped a number

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Speaker 21: of people's KFC cherry. When you hear someone say, especially

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Speaker 21: when our kids were little and we'd have other kids

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Speaker 21: over and they say, oh, we've never eaten cafc.

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Speaker 2: Well, we take them straight round there.

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Speaker 15: See the other parents. We take great pleasure in it.

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Speaker 2: This is wonderful. I'm just going to turn up at

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Speaker 2: your house with a friend who has obviously eaten caves.

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Speaker 2: But we're going to lie to you.

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Speaker 15: Because it will bring Mary and hernround. Maryanne, what are

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Speaker 15: you doing?

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Speaker 21: I need this tip also as a parent. If you're

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Speaker 21: running low on time to make your birthday cake when

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Speaker 21: the kids a little, take them to McDonald's, buy a

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Speaker 21: snow freeze and just whack a little candle in.

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Speaker 15: That's your that's your DIY.

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Speaker 2: I have actually done that.

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Speaker 6: I love them.

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, it's wonderful to have the pair of you.

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Speaker 15: Yes, just before we go, can I remind everyone that

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Speaker 15: it's Men's Health Week this week and Barry is one

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Speaker 15: of our investors. I'm hooking up with him. He is

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Speaker 15: because he's got he's got a great health story.

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Speaker 2: He's a bad news story.

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Speaker 12: No he's not.

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Speaker 15: He's alive.

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Speaker 21: That's what Beacons have hoped you two are.

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Speaker 15: We we recognize the wives. That's why we market to

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Speaker 15: them as well, because I the ones who encourage me

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Speaker 15: to take their health more seriously.

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Speaker 2: From you guys. Thank you both, Trishurs and Mark Sainsbury.

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Speaker 2: Seven Away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy allan drive full show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Art Radio powered by News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: Hither your KFC talk made me hungry and now I'm

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Speaker 2: in the drive through at KFC. Cheers Mark. Somebody asked me, oh,

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Speaker 2: Hither are you being paid for KFC advertising?

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Speaker 19: No?

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Speaker 2: Actually, but now I think that we should approach them.

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Speaker 2: What do you think that was? That was just that

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Speaker 2: was the free be Now you can give us the dollars.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, why not? You know, you know, it's

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Speaker 2: a tough time in the media industry. No time to waste.

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Speaker 2: Four away from six now, listener, I was going to

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Speaker 2: tell you about this couple who've move from England. It's

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Speaker 2: actually from Chippenham in Wiltshire, Sefunga Parawa on the Hibiscus

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Speaker 2: coast north of Auckland, and they've given an group interviewed

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Speaker 2: at the Telegraph and boy have they raved about New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: They love it. And these are people who've traveled by

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Speaker 2: the way. It's not like they just came from like

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Speaker 2: some dodgy part of the UK and they moved here.

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Speaker 2: They met in Jakarta, they moved to Singapore. They tried

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Speaker 2: Sydney for a year. They've worked in Taiwan, Philippines, China, Europe.

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Speaker 2: Came to Auckland for six months and twenty seventeen, loved

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Speaker 2: it to bits, decided they come back. They admit that

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Speaker 2: they would earn more if, or at least the bloke

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Speaker 2: in the relationship who works for he worked for Votaphone

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Speaker 2: in the UK, admits he would earn more if he

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Speaker 2: did the same job in Australia. But they just didn't

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Speaker 2: love Australia as much. The life and the weather are good,

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Speaker 2: but it wasn't welcoming. They say they love the cost

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Speaker 2: of living in New Zealand. They say it's cheaper to

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Speaker 2: live here. Groceries are cheaper. It sounds like broadbands cheaper,

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Speaker 2: mains water is cheaper, electricity is cheaper. And I'm just

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Speaker 2: guessing by the things that they've listed off. Petrol is

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Speaker 2: cheaper than in the UK, as is eating out, because

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Speaker 2: a quickly lunch in Auckland costs up to sixteen dollars

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Speaker 2: and a coffee costs up to five dollars, but it's

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Speaker 2: more expensive over there, so that tax is less here.

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Speaker 2: State pensions from over there can be paid here anyway.

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Speaker 2: They reckon that they're staying here. And I just I'm

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Speaker 2: telling you this because I just want you to know

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Speaker 2: that we do. We do winge about it, and we've

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01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 2: got good reason to winge, but still got pretty good

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Speaker 2: but pretty good here, haven't we. It's a nice place.

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Speaker 2: Nikola willis with us next.

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Speaker 3: Ex give what keeping track of where the money is glowing?

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Speaker 1: The business hour with hither due for Cel and Mare's

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Speaker 1: insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future.

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Speaker 3: News talks that be.

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Speaker 2: Even in coming up in the next hour. The Wellington

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Speaker 2: commercial rates are almost double Auckland's. I mean that's pretty crazy.

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Speaker 2: Why is that Ian Castle's developer on it. The Warehouse

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Speaker 2: Group is out of the ends of X fifty, Briscos

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Speaker 2: Group is in taking its place. Shan Shane Solly Will

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01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 2: talk us through it, and we have Gavin Gray out

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Speaker 2: of the UK at seven past six and with me

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Speaker 2: right now is Nichola Willis the Finance Minister. High Nikola, Hi, Heather,

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Speaker 2: do you think the police have stuffed up this investigation

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Speaker 2: into Michael Forbes?

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Speaker 22: Look, I don't know enough to make that conclusion. Obviously,

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Speaker 22: they have internal processes about what information they escalate up

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01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 22: to ministers and they make those judgments accordingly.

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Speaker 2: But also, I mean, so we'll get to that, but

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Speaker 2: what about the fact that they've found the sky having

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01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,919
Speaker 2: filmed people and there's no debate about it, having filmed

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01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 2: women through the windows of their houses getting changed, and

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Speaker 2: they haven't charged him for it.

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Speaker 22: Doesn't it's awful behavior and it's horrible. Police have discretion

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Speaker 22: and independence and investigating issues like this and deciding whether

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01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 22: there's a case for prosecution. So it's never appropriate for

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Speaker 22: ministers to dive in and say we think you should

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Speaker 22: prosecute this person or that person. In this case, I

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01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 22: think the actions are horrifying, As the Prime Minister has said,

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Speaker 22: it does raise questions about whether the various government agencies

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Speaker 22: involved are talking to each other enough and a deep

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Speaker 22: dive is being done on that. And then the second issue,

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Speaker 22: as you raise, is what are the powers available to

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Speaker 22: the police and this incidence and do we think that

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Speaker 22: they're sufficient, And again that's a matter for the minister.

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Speaker 2: I take your point about police independence and it's a

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Speaker 2: fair one, but it would it be appropriate for the

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Speaker 2: Police minister to sit down with the Commissioner and ask

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Speaker 2: for a police explain as to why nobody told the

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Speaker 2: police minister that this guy had had his phone seized

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Speaker 2: with a warrant.

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Speaker 22: Well, that's what the purpose of the deep divers is

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Speaker 22: to look into what.

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Speaker 2: To not just get the commissioner in and be like,

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Speaker 2: explain it.

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Speaker 22: I think it should go through a proper process because

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Speaker 22: the issue isn't just about the police is it's also

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Speaker 22: about security clearances. It's about what information is made available

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Speaker 22: to who, How are the processes sufficient? Are the guidelines sufficient?

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Speaker 22: So yep, the police are part of it.

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Speaker 2: And as I say, the Premiership or fair enough, do

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Speaker 2: your deep dive and get your answers and stuff. That's

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01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 2: fair enough. But what about the just immediately getting the

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Speaker 2: getting the police and then saying what happened? Why didn't

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Speaker 2: you tell us? I mean, for the police to seize

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Speaker 2: his work phone with a warrant, right is reasonably significant

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Speaker 2: and I would have thought would immediately require letting the

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Speaker 2: minister know.

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Speaker 22: Well, look, I don't know whether the Minister has asked

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Speaker 22: the commission of that and whether he has sat down

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01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 22: or not. Well that's up to him. But what's really

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01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,839
Speaker 22: important is how do we make sure in the future

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Speaker 22: that these issues are managed well? And as I say,

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Speaker 22: that requires a deeper dive across a range of issues

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Speaker 22: that's happening. It's happening at pace, Yeah, and it's appropriate that.

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Speaker 2: It does listen. Something isn't clear in the reporting of

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Speaker 2: the story, and I wonder if you've been briefed about

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Speaker 2: what happened here? Did Michael Forbes give his two cell phones,

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Speaker 2: one being his work cell phone and one being his

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Speaker 2: personal phone to the angry sex workers and then give

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Speaker 2: give them the pin to both? Is that what happened?

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Speaker 22: Well, that's what it appears from the reporting, doesn't it?

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Speaker 22: And then did he lead leave all of things? Sold

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Speaker 22: on to ask her those questions because she's the one

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Speaker 22: who's dug this story out. But I'm left speculating, as

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Speaker 22: much as you are on how on earth did that occur?

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Speaker 22: Why did that occur? What were the circumstances? All of

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Speaker 22: those are questions that I have.

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Speaker 2: That's quite a big security brand, wasn't it.

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 22: I understand why people are asking those questions. Are they're

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Speaker 22: pretty significant. I mean, security breach, bad behavior all together,

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01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 22: terrible incident, And I have to say, you know, there's

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Speaker 22: a lot of people in the beehive who are feeling shocked,

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01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 22: who are feeling betrayed, who are feeling are really uncomfortable.

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01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 22: So a really sad situation, and not just the beehive,

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01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:38,879
Speaker 22: the women directly impacted.

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Speaker 2: Yeah too, right, Hey, Now, Federated Farmers has launched a

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01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 2: petition today to try to get the government to allow

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01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 2: young farmers to use key we savor for their first farm.

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01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 2: Apparently you guys have promised this, Why haven't you done it?

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01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 22: Well, I'm actually on the fed farmer's side here, so

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01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 22: sus Redmain, who's the MP for Rangatak, already has a

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01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 22: member's bill in the ballot to do just that. I've

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01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 22: asked the Inland Revenue Department, who provide key we save advice,

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01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 22: to look at that bill and tell me why we

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01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 22: wouldn't make it a government bill. So they are going

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01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 22: to give me some advice on that pretty shortly and

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01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 22: then I'll take recommendations to Cabinet. I think if you

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01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 22: can withdraw your key we save the funds to buy

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01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 22: a house, you should be able to withdraw them to

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01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 22: buy farm.

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01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 2: There's no one so this is just you guys taking

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01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 2: your time there's no opposition from ACT or New Zealand. First,

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01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:25,560
Speaker 2: this is just a national party go slow.

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Speaker 19: Is it?

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01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:27,799
Speaker 22: Well, there could be opposition.

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01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 7: I don't know.

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01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 22: I haven't taken proposals to Cabinet yet. As I say,

1534
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 22: I've asked for advice on what it would take to

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01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 22: turn that member's bill into a government policy, and based

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01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 22: on that advice, I tend to take recommendations to cabinet.

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01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 22: Do you have the discussion as we do in the

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01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 22: normal way?

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01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 2: It seems to me the farm thing is a no brainer.

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01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 2: But then what about the buying your first flock or

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01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,560
Speaker 2: your first herd? Do you feel the same about that?

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01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 22: Well, I'd want to look into that because then I

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01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 22: guess that gets to a range of other issues. Should

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01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 22: you be able to buy your first set of tools,

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01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 22: if you're a mechanic stacly be able to buy your

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01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 22: first garage? I can see the slip pres side argument there.

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01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 22: So that's something I want more advice on before I've

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01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 22: formed of view.

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Speaker 2: Nicholas, what are we going to do about schools just

1550
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 2: spending money on crazy things? Is there some way that

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01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 2: we can put some auditing in here?

1552
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 22: Well, there is auditing. That's how we know about it right,

1553
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 22: pretty infrequently if the Order to General went and had

1554
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 22: a look, it isn't frequent. But here's what matters about it.

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01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 22: Everyone listening to the show and everyone who's read that

1556
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,679
Speaker 22: story needs to now turn around and look their board

1557
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 22: of trustees and their school leaders in the eyes and say, please,

1558
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:35,679
Speaker 22: don't ever use taxpayers money at my school for those

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01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 22: sorts of purposes. Use it to lift achievement, because rain

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01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:41,599
Speaker 22: jackets for teachers are nice, but when the tax payer

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01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 22: is paying, the question is, what's the straight line between

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01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 22: that and lifting the literacy and numeracy of our kids?

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01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 2: Is that all we've got is just sort of giving

1564
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 2: them the hard word and hoping they do the right

1565
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 2: thing until they get audited in another nine years.

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Speaker 22: Well, we do the auditing. That's important because it exposes it.

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Speaker 22: But we also do expect boards of trustees who are

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01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,799
Speaker 22: self governing entities to uphold the highest standards. We expect

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01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 22: principles to uphold high standing.

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01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's so what you know, I mean, expectations

1571
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 2: have obviously led us this way. Look, Nicola, is it

1572
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 2: time for us to rethink actually whether we should have

1573
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 2: these school self governing.

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01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 7: I don't think so.

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01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:26,600
Speaker 22: I think there is huge value in having community representatives

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01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 22: running a school in a way that reflects the concerns

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01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 22: of their parent community, with the appropriate support, of course,

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01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 22: and my judgment would be that these cases are rare.

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01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 22: My experience has been that most school boards, most principles,

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01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 22: are very very earnest about ensuring that they use taxpayers

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Speaker 22: money very carefully.

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01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 2: Well, you hope, So now look, Nikola, are we getting

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01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,600
Speaker 2: value for money out of the grocery commissioner? Because the

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01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 2: grocery Commissioner came out with some hard words again for

1585
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 2: the supermarkets and suppliers and blah blah blah over the

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01:13:58,240 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 2: last week, and I just thought, this is just nonsense.

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01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 2: So what's this guy actually done.

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01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 22: I tell you what he's done. He's putting together a

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01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 22: charge sheet against the major players who keep telling you

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01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 22: that they're doing everything right.

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01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 2: What's the charge?

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Speaker 22: The charge sheet is two pieces of work. One on

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01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 22: their relationships with suppliers, which shows that many supplies are

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01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 22: very unhappy with the way the power and balance in

1595
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 22: that relationship is used against them, are very concerned about

1596
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 22: the terms and conditions imposed on them, and have evidence

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01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 22: about that that they believe shows that the supply code

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01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 22: isn't working and is being made not to work by

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01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 22: the incumbents. The second thing is they've looked at the

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Speaker 22: wholesale regime, which was meant to provide access to wholesale

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01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 22: groceries for smaller players, and it's clear that that is

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01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 22: not working at all. A fewer than zero points zero

1603
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 22: three percent of groceries are brought via that. So what

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01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 22: that means is that the Commerce Commission have set out

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01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 22: a case to say when the big players tell you

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01:14:57,439 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 22: that they're doing everything right, the evidence is very clear

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01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 22: that they are not. They're not making these systems work.

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01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 22: And that's a problem because you know, the big surf markets,

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01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 22: they spend millions on pr, lawyers, communications, and the one

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01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 22: thing the New Zealand taxpayer has is a small little

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01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 22: grocery commission to go and furnish the other side of

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01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 22: the story. And those reports are substantive and give evidence well.

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01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:26,879
Speaker 22: On the supplier Code, the Commerce Commission planning to rewrite

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01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 22: that to tighten it up, and on the wholesale regime.

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01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 22: They are first saying to the surf markets, sharpen up

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01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 22: your apt because second, if you don't, we have the

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01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 22: power to put in more regulation to force you to. Now,

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01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 22: I don't want to be a regulator. I don't want

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01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,679
Speaker 22: to be going and doing regulations. But seriously, the big

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01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 22: players need to get on board. Stop giving it lip service.

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01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 22: The evidence is in the charg sheet.

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01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 3: Is there?

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01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 22: Respond pull up yourself, because I just.

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01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:54,720
Speaker 2: I feel like it hasn't escaped me that there is.

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01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:58,639
Speaker 2: There are literal charges being laid by the Commerce Commission

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01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 2: right against these supermarkets, and I feel like that is

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01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 2: more successful in actually changing behavior. But that's not even

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01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:07,679
Speaker 2: from the Grocery Commission and that's coming from the commerce team,

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01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 2: isn't it.

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01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 22: Well, it's very important and it's related to this work.

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01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 22: And actually when it comes to both of these pieces

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01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 22: of work, there are penalty regimes attached. But the point

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01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:20,799
Speaker 22: that the Grocery Commissioner is making is unless the regimes

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01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 22: are tight enough and working well enough, it's very hard

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01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 22: to enforce the penalties. But we want to get it working. Yeah,

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01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 22: And that's what I mean by the charge sheet. If

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01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 22: the supermarkets don't respond in good faith to these recommendations,

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Speaker 22: then actually regulators get forced into more and more punitive measures.

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Speaker 2: When are you announcing what you're doing to the supermarkets?

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01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 22: I will be saying something about that in the next

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01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:44,680
Speaker 22: couple of months, which is two pieces. One is the

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01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 22: request for information, who responded to that and what our

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01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 22: next leavers are to make it easier for other competitors.

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01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 22: And the second piece there is how we're going to

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01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 22: make sure that some of these commerce commission things have teeth.

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Speaker 2: Okay, brilliant. I look forward to it. Thank you very much,

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Speaker 2: Nichola Willi's Finance Minister seven Team Past six.

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Speaker 2: Heather. I was a principal a number of years ago,

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01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 2: I must admit, but our school was ordersed it every year,

1652
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 2: which I thought was a requirement by the Ministry of Education.

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01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:19,680
Speaker 2: Maybe that's changed. Oh look, I could not possibly explain it.

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01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:21,599
Speaker 2: It seems to me that an ordered every year would

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01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 2: be a smart thing to do, don't you, especially when

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01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:25,639
Speaker 2: you hear the things that are going on, by the way,

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01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 2: just on the Grocery Commissioner and what Nichola Willis had

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01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 2: to say. That the point that I was trying to make,

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01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 2: and I think it's a valid point in something worth

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01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 2: thinking about as you watch the story unfold because clearly,

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01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 2: by August Nichola is going to be doing something about

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01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 2: the supermarkets. The Grocery Commissioner has produced reports no one

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01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 2: has read, has written a code of conduct no one understands,

1664
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 2: and keeps on, you know, issuing warnings like a crap

1665
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 2: parent who you never follows through. But meanwhile, in tandem

1666
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 2: at the same time, something else has happened which seems

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01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 2: to have much better results, which is that the Commas team,

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01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:00,719
Speaker 2: which is not the Grocery Commissioner's team in the Commerce

1669
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 2: Commission another team altogether have laid charges against the supermarkets

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01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 2: for basically, you know, putting the wrong prices and fake

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01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 2: specials and stuff like that. And do you as a

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01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 2: result of that. The other day we had the Woolworths

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01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 2: stores across the entire country shut because their little shelf

1674
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 2: things weren't working properly. Right, there was a day where

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01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:19,640
Speaker 2: I wonder if they would have shut or they were

1676
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:21,640
Speaker 2: just just boxed on that day. But now they know

1677
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 2: they've been given the actual warning, because they've got chat,

1678
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 2: they are facing charges.

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01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: It seems to me that maybe we didn't need the

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01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 2: Grocery Commissioner after all, and all this regulation and nonsense.

1682
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 2: We could have just used the existing tools properly and

1683
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 2: given them the frightenness, don't you think anyway, keep an eye.

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01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 2: Gonna have answers by August apparently six twenty two, ever

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Speaker 2: do Seela Shane Solly Harbor Asset Management is with us.

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Speaker 9: Hey Shane, Yeah, good, how you go.

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01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you mate. So we've seen a

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01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 2: little bit of a rally, have we in the US

1689
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 2: share markets? What's going on here?

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01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 7: Yeah?

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01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 9: On Friday we saw the US share market close up

1692
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 9: on one percent on the day. So we've seen quite

1693
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:56,759
Speaker 9: a good rally back to where we were in February.

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01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 9: Some upbeat news about job in the US narrowly beating expectations,

1695
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 9: a phone call between mister g mister Trump that saw

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01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 9: some sentiment improvement, and then we've seen mister Trump pushing

1697
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 9: the US for the reserve the cut rates again, Sydney

1698
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 9: markets picking up on that. Over the weekend, we've seen

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Speaker 9: some more discussion about US China trade talks being back on,

1700
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 9: particularly focusing on rares. Some comments just in the last

1701
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,560
Speaker 9: twenty four hours about from a Trump economic advisor that

1702
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 9: they're very comfortable with a trade deal closing with China

1703
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 9: on Monday, so we'll see what happens tomorrow. New zeal

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01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 9: On time, New Zealand market didn't really take debate. New

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01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 9: Zealand dollar up round sixty point three seven against the

1706
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 9: US dollar, the zigned tenure bonds, government bonds pretty flat

1707
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 9: four point six five, and now Shear market down point

1708
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 9: two percent, so we didn't really follow on.

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01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 2: Shane, did you take Paul Conway's comments to mean that

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01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 2: there would be some rate cuts coming.

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01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 9: Well, the market certainly did, right, mister Conway, You've said

1712
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:01,599
Speaker 9: a couple of interesting things. First, he said the labor

1713
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 9: market may be softer than the job of market rates

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01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 9: to douce, so there could be about underemployment, people not

1715
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 9: working in the same out as they were. He then

1716
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 9: went on just underlying inflation continues to ease, so those

1717
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:15,639
Speaker 9: are sort of tonally talking about maybe they could talk

1718
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Speaker 9: about more cuts. So this is reserve banks speak for

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Speaker 9: maybe we could think about it. He did say we've

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Speaker 9: got a long running productivity problem, so I think that's true,

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Speaker 9: but we definitely need in the near term a bit

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Speaker 9: of an adjection of some more support. So you know,

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Speaker 9: we did see in this markets take a bit of

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Speaker 9: a bait on that one.

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Speaker 2: Hey, what do you make of your Brisco's replacing the Warehouse.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: So on Friday night, insidys fifty the s and p

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Speaker 9: insets fifty benchmark. This is the main benchmark. Many Kiwi

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Speaker 9: Saver funds follow announced that Bresco Group we were replaced

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Speaker 9: the Warehouse Group based on trading volumes and the market

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01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:53,639
Speaker 9: capitalization of two businesses. And this will all be pushed

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Speaker 9: through on Thursday the nineteenth, the day before Mattawiki. And

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Speaker 9: it means that many funds that follow that insid is

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Speaker 9: he fifty this into the fifty benchmark, do't need to

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Speaker 9: buy shares and Brisco and seal shoes and were are.

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Speaker 9: So today we saw the Brisca's cheap price up nine

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Speaker 9: five dollars forty and the Warehouse Group cheer price fell

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01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 9: three point two percent to ninety one cents. So somebody

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01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 9: might have got a bargain. I'm not sure which one.

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Speaker 2: Thanks very much, Jane, I appreciate it. Shane Sally Harvar,

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Speaker 2: Asset Management, six twenty four.

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Speaker 3: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with header Duplicyllen and for theirs insurance

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01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:34,679
Speaker 1: and investments, grew your wealth, protect your future news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be Hey, you'll probably be aware by now. But

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01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 2: over in Ala, obviously the international camera crews there and

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Speaker 2: there is a nine news crew from Australia and one

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Speaker 2: of the reporter, Lauren TOMASI has been shot by a

1749
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 2: rubber bullets. Now if you that wasn't a mistake. By

1750
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 2: the way, if you see the video, you can see

1751
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 2: the guy in the I'm assuming it's a guy because

1752
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:05,679
Speaker 2: I mean, who knows, But anyways, in the black outfit

1753
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 2: just turning the gun towards her and bang. Channel nine

1754
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 2: statement says while reporting from protests, Lauren was struck by

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Speaker 2: a rubber bullet. She and her camera operator are safe

1756
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Speaker 2: and will continue their essential work covering these incidents. This

1757
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 2: incident serves as a stark reminder of the inherent dangers

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01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:22,639
Speaker 2: that journalists can face while reporting on the front lines

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Speaker 2: of protests, underscoring the importance of having their role in

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01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 2: providing vital information. Crazy when authorities start doing stuff like that, Ah,

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01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 2: isn't it ridiculous? Hey, really quickly get you updated on

1762
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 2: what's happened with Greta. So the drones went around the yacht.

1763
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 2: They dropped a white irritant substance. Saul just got on board,

1764
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 2: taking everybody off, giving them sandwiches and water. They say

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Speaker 2: the show is over and now the IDF is going

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01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 2: to take them to ash Dodd the port and they

1767
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 2: are going to play the group a video of Hamas

1768
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 2: horrors before they deport them. And for Greta's sake, I

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01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,759
Speaker 2: hope they deport them by boat, because you know, Greta

1770
01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 2: on a plane, that's a horror. She doesn't want to

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Speaker 2: have to experience news doorg ZB.

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Speaker 1: Croaching the numbers and getting the results. It's heather to

1773
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:11,760
Speaker 1: for c Ellen with the business hour and mass insurance

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01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,839
Speaker 1: and investments. Grow your wealth, protect your future.

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Speaker 3: News talks env in here you are my head when

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01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:20,839
Speaker 3: I'm dreaming.

1777
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Speaker 16: You're trying to my dream.

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01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 2: You're blown a rating to be with us out of

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Speaker 2: the UK shortly. All right, here we go twenty four

1780
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 2: away from seven Wellington. It's always trouble in Wellington, isn't it?

1781
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 2: And this time there are fears that businesses are being

1782
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 2: driven out of Wellington over high rates. The average commercial

1783
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 2: rates bill in the capitol has reached forty eight thousand

1784
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 2: dollars a year now, that's almost double what it is

1785
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 2: in Auckland and Auckland it's about twenty seven it's a

1786
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:48,759
Speaker 2: twenty seven thousand dollars more than Auckland.

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01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 11: Rather.

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01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 2: Ian Castle's is the director of the Wellington Company, which

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01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 2: is one of the city's largest commercial property developers. Who's

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01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 2: with us?

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01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 23: Hey en believing keV? How are you?

1793
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:00,400
Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you? So how do you feel

1794
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:02,600
Speaker 2: about this? This can't be making it easy to do

1795
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 2: business in Wellington at all now.

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01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:07,719
Speaker 23: It's an ongoing story. Really, It's like I was speaking

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01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:10,720
Speaker 23: to someone before. If you keep on getting money out

1798
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 23: of the cash machine and it's broken, then you just

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01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 23: keep you keep on going back. So that's why it's

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Speaker 23: been the one can commercial owners for years now.

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Speaker 2: So the problem seems so is the problem as simple

1802
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:23,639
Speaker 2: as this that the commercial guys are bearing are basically

1803
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:26,680
Speaker 2: carrying a disproportionate amount of the rating burden, and then

1804
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 2: the residential guys are paying less than they should.

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01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:34,759
Speaker 23: I don't know if that's right. I think there's definitely

1806
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 23: a lot of over spending going on. The best way

1807
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 23: to look at it really is that for an exactly

1808
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 23: similar building, commercial pays maybe five times more than residential

1809
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 23: because there's a lot of other fees and levies attached

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Speaker 23: to the commercial rate apart from the three point seven

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01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 23: times differential, which is downtown levy, sewage and target of

1812
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Speaker 23: water rates, and then the transport levy at the regional

1813
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 23: council levees, which is eye watering. So you've got to

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Speaker 23: pay to bring people into town when they're working from home,

1815
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 23: and you've got to give them parties when they don't exist.

1816
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 23: So all of that falls upon some pull bastards with

1817
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 23: an empty building.

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Speaker 2: So are you saying it's not just the differential. It's

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01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 2: the differential, but then it's also all the levees that

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01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 2: are added on top of that.

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Speaker 23: Yes, it's like a big it's a big taking machine.

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01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 23: Like it's just and then when they talk about Warrington

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01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 23: being forty eight percent of the Wartington business paper without

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01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 23: percent of the city's rates, the city is all the

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01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:35,200
Speaker 23: suburbs and all the pipes and a whole lot of things.

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01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 23: Like the city itself doesn't cost anything like the rates

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Speaker 23: that are levied upon the city's buildings. It's seen as

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01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 23: the great provider and you know in the past it

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01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 23: may will have been, but it just can't keep on

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01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:52,120
Speaker 23: doing that and it can't pay. I mean, some b

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Speaker 23: and seafaft buildings they're paying half of their income and

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01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 23: insurance and rates and the ones that's having been the

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Speaker 23: income as all their numbers to paying a whopping great

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Speaker 23: pile of money for the privilege of having an empty

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Speaker 23: building in Wellington.

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Speaker 2: What's the fix is? I mean the obvious what some

1837
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 2: people will say to you is the fix is that

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01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 2: residential has to carry a bigger burden and commercial less.

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01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 2: Is that the fix or is it actually just to

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01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 2: trim the council spending right back?

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01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 23: You know, you've got to spend according to what you can.

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01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 23: I mean, you've got to do the best you can

1843
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:25,440
Speaker 23: with what you've got and really you can't keep on spending.

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Speaker 3: At the rate that we are.

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01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 2: And believe this is obvious to voters because you people

1846
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 2: keep on electing real weirdos. And apparently, Ian, I've heard

1847
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:37,759
Speaker 2: that the next lot coming in, according to the numbers,

1848
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 2: are even worse than the current lot.

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Speaker 23: That's a strange thing to hear. Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 23: I mean, we can't comment on that right now though,

1851
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:46,759
Speaker 23: until after.

1852
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 2: The elections, but I mean, how is this is what

1853
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 2: I'm hearing, and it's not as if you've had one

1854
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 2: or two council elections where you've had weirdos elected, Like

1855
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:56,599
Speaker 2: this is an ongoing problem with Wellington. Why don't rate

1856
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 2: payers realize that there's too much spending going on?

1857
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 23: Well, I think some of them do. I mean, I

1858
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:05,759
Speaker 23: guess the problem is there's a lot of transient voters

1859
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 23: that come to town, isn't there. I mean they come

1860
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,760
Speaker 23: and vote and lived here for six months or a

1861
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 23: year or something and they're all voting.

1862
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.

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Speaker 23: It doesn't directly affect them. I mean, it affects the

1864
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 23: people that are left holding the baby.

1865
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1866
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 23: But listen, the big story here is the council actually

1867
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:29,360
Speaker 23: agreed that the after two court lost two court cases

1868
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 23: and then one one it won one because the court

1869
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:37,759
Speaker 23: didn't want to over the interfere with a democratically arrived

1870
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 23: that decision if unless it was totally unreasonable. So they've

1871
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:44,320
Speaker 23: got very close to doing that because it was unreasonable,

1872
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:46,160
Speaker 23: but they didn't think it was totally unreasonable, and they

1873
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 23: agreed with the finding of the first two cases. But

1874
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 23: the fact of a matter is the council got out

1875
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 23: of that by agreeing with the rate players to limit

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01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:56,640
Speaker 23: it to two point eight times. Now this council and

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01:27:57,160 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 23: the councils before it had just gleefully. I've gone against

1878
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:06,519
Speaker 23: that del So what's what's a commercial Enterity's what's an

1879
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 23: endg what's the council that it cannot keep its word?

1880
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 6: Well?

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01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:12,559
Speaker 2: Quite, David, Ian good luck with it, because it sounds

1882
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 2: to me like you're going to need it. That's Ian

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01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 2: Ian Castle's director of the Wellington Company. Yeah, somebody said,

1884
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 2: somebody who I regard is quite well informed, told me

1885
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 2: that they had had a coffee. This is going to

1886
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 2: get this is going to get weak this story. But

1887
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 2: bear with me, and I can't name names. And if

1888
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 2: I named names, you'd be like, oh yep, no, this

1889
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,800
Speaker 2: sounds this is legit. What I will say is a cat.

1890
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 2: So I've got my Wellington power broker and my Wellington,

1891
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 2: my Wellington informant, my man who knows everything in Wellington,

1892
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 2: and he had a coffee the other day with a

1893
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:50,760
Speaker 2: newspaper editor in Wellington. It's not that hard to figure

1894
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 2: out who I'm talking about. And the newspaper editor said

1895
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 2: that they had looked at who was likely because they've

1896
01:28:58,120 --> 01:28:59,760
Speaker 2: done all the numbers and stuff. Like that they've had

1897
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 2: a who's likely to get elected in the next council.

1898
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:04,559
Speaker 2: Council elections are coming up in a few months time.

1899
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:07,879
Speaker 2: Right it was October, isn't it so July August, September, October,

1900
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 2: four months time they had a look at who's going

1901
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:12,559
Speaker 2: to get elected. And if you think the current council

1902
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 2: is bonkers, you wait till you see who's coming in

1903
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 2: in October. So it doesn't surprise me at all that

1904
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 2: this is as a surprise to Ian. Ian strikes me

1905
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 2: as a hopeless optimist most of the time. He's one

1906
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:27,280
Speaker 2: of those guys glass halful. That's why he's as successful

1907
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 2: as he is. But journalists are not successful, and they're

1908
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 2: not glass halfull. And they've done the numbers and it's

1909
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 2: going to be a circus at the end of this year,

1910
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:38,559
Speaker 2: by the sounds of things. Seventeen away from seven, Heather

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Speaker 2: Duplicy Ellen okay, I said, I was going to talk

1912
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 2: about TV ANDZ, so let's talk about TV and sedicay.

1913
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:46,320
Speaker 2: Last night, the lead item on the TV and Z

1914
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 2: bulletin was that a chap was missing. Has flatmate popped up?

1915
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 2: He said, our mate is missing? This mate is as

1916
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 2: a born in Cambodia Australian passport, so Australian citizen lives

1917
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 2: in Wellington as a nurse and gone traveling in Europe

1918
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:03,840
Speaker 2: and they haven't heard from him for two weeks and

1919
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:07,840
Speaker 2: they are worried. They need help and TV ands I

1920
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 2: said to the husband when I was watching it last night,

1921
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 2: I said, this is going to be embarrassing for TV

1922
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:12,720
Speaker 2: and Z because you know that old mate Van's going

1923
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:15,719
Speaker 2: to turn up tomorrow, don't you. He'll have lost his phone.

1924
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 2: And guess what Van turned up today and guess what

1925
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:21,840
Speaker 2: He lost his phone or his phone got nicked or

1926
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:24,840
Speaker 2: something like that. But anyway, regardless, what happened was after

1927
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:27,720
Speaker 2: the news item, the friends friends in Bangkok were like,

1928
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:29,760
Speaker 2: I wonder if Van is at that bar that he

1929
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 2: always goes to. And they went to the bar and

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Speaker 2: who's sitting there?

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Speaker 11: Van?

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Speaker 2: Now look, I'm sure that they were worried about Van,

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Speaker 2: and of course they should be, and of course they

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Speaker 2: need to rally all of the you know, do whatever

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Speaker 2: they can. But is this how low the bar is

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Speaker 2: to get things on the news now of an evening?

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Speaker 2: This was the lead item on the National News on

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Speaker 2: a Sunday night, which is the highest viewership that you

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Speaker 2: can get in a week, or at least when I

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Speaker 2: was working for TV ins at it was so you

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Speaker 2: want to tell me that. On the most watched bulletin

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Speaker 2: that they have all week, the first story is some

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Speaker 2: guy has gone missing from Wellington and they'll finding like

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Speaker 2: and they were interviewing the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, I just think I think that we now need

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Speaker 2: to clearly not just lower our expectations of the media,

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Speaker 2: but just drop it to the floor and just expect nothing.

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Speaker 2: Because between this and stuff running the story the other

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Speaker 2: day of the delivery guy that just turned out like

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Speaker 2: clearly was a prank and turned out to be a

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Speaker 2: prank between the two of them, I'm just thinking that,

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Speaker 2: you know, you can basically just call the newser just

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Speaker 2: called TV and said be like, Hi, my cat's up

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Speaker 2: the tree. I think, can you dispatch a camera and

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Speaker 2: they'll be like, oh, yep, cool, yep, we'll come around.

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Speaker 2: That's where we're at now, quarter two.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's Macro microbe or just playing economics, it's all

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Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Mass

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Speaker 1: Insurance and Investments, Grow your wealth, Protect your future these.

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Speaker 2: Talks, Heather, This is read the Principles, Heather. I I

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Speaker 2: personally know of six Principles that use their six thousand

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Speaker 2: dollars well being cash to attend a conference in Iceland.

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Speaker 2: They stopped off in Dubai and then they went to

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Speaker 2: the United Kingdom and they basically had an awesome boys

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Speaker 2: trip lance. All right, for some, as we would say,

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Speaker 2: twelve away from seven, Spark has announced today I am listen,

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Speaker 2: here's a little heads up. Okay, if you want to

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Speaker 2: watch something fun happen, wait for this. I think chances

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Speaker 2: are Spark has delayed it shut down of the three

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Speaker 2: G network. It is now going to shut it down

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Speaker 2: on the thirty first of March twenty twenty six. Now,

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Speaker 2: if this goes anything like the way it went in Australia,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be a complete cluster. It's going to

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Speaker 2: be a complete because they gave them an Australia heaps

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Speaker 2: of warning and they still managed to completely stuff the

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Speaker 2: thing up monumentally. Because what happened is, I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you realize this, but there are a whole bunch

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Speaker 2: of devices out there that only work on three G

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Speaker 2: and haven't been made capable for four G and the

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Speaker 2: minute they shut off the three G, it's not going

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Speaker 2: to work anymore. And so they've they've issued a whole

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Speaker 2: bunch of stuff like an iPhone Sex, Huawei Wy five,

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Speaker 2: Samsung Galaxy J two Pro. But I noticed what they've

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Speaker 2: left off the list. It's the old Tesla. Oh yes,

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Speaker 2: guess what the Tesla's run on three G. So if

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Speaker 2: you've got yourself a Tesla, you might want to you've

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Speaker 2: got yourself a cool nine nuns might want to take

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Speaker 2: it into the Tesla shop and just ask them if

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Speaker 2: there's if it is four G capable, because it would

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Speaker 2: really suck if on the thirty first of March suddenly

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Speaker 2: you just couldn't use it anymore, or whatever happens. I

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Speaker 2: don't know what happens. Ever, look at what happened in Australia.

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Speaker 2: Gavin Gray UK corresponds with us, Gavin, you there, Hi, there, Hell, Gavin,

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Speaker 2: tell me about what happened with U. Is it a

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Speaker 2: photographer who got shot?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, that's right, a British photographer who's been in Los

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Speaker 20: Angeles covering the riots there. It's got particularly violent overnight

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Speaker 20: in the last few hours, with of course Donald Trump,

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Speaker 20: the president of America announcing those plans to deploy two

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Speaker 20: thousand National Guard troops to California. So nixt is the

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Speaker 20: name of the photographer. He's documenting a standoff between anti

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Speaker 20: immigration and customs enforcement. That's ice basically the standoff between

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Speaker 20: protesters against them and police outside what's being called a

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Speaker 20: home depot in Paramatt. That was when he was hit

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Speaker 20: by what's been called a sponge bullet, a fourteen millimeter

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Speaker 20: sponge bullet, which tore into his thigh. And he has

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Speaker 20: now thankfully been talking about it. He's undergone emergency surgery

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Speaker 20: at a hospital and is fine.

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Speaker 3: He said.

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Speaker 20: Some of the protesters came and helped me and ended

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Speaker 20: up carrying me, and I noticed there was blood pouring

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Speaker 20: from my leg.

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Speaker 7: Believe it or not.

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Speaker 20: This is the second time that Stern, who emigrated to

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Speaker 20: America in two thousand and seven, has been involved in

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Speaker 20: an incident like this. He was covering the George Floyd

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Speaker 20: protests in twenty twenty when he was also hit. And

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Speaker 20: I think this kind of thing will ratchet up the pressure,

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Speaker 20: of course, on the President to perhaps wind down on

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Speaker 20: what Democrats and the Californian gul Is described as purposefully

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Speaker 20: inflammatory both speech and actions.

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Speaker 2: Now, what is the problem with this Chinese super embassy

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Speaker 2: in London.

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Speaker 20: Well, it's the positioning of it which has led to

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Speaker 20: some concerns. Apparently, so China is planning to build a

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Speaker 20: huge saying it's an embassy. Others are saying it's rumors

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Speaker 20: of a bug center, or it might be you know,

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Speaker 20: a sort of super embassy that they're doing, and it's

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Speaker 20: at the Royal Mint Court. And the reason that that

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Speaker 20: matters is because the actual site is in an area

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Speaker 20: where lots and lots of data centers are and lots

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Speaker 20: of data change his hands, particularly around the City of

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Speaker 20: London and Canary Wharf. Canary Wharf of course a huge

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Speaker 20: business center City of London, Bank of England there and

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Speaker 20: other big financial companies, and that's raised concerns about the

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Speaker 20: potential for an espionage risk. This was first apparently released

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Speaker 20: by reports over the weekend here in several newspapers in

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Speaker 20: which it was said that America and indeed the White

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Speaker 20: House itself, had raised concerns with the British government about

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Speaker 20: the sighting of the embassy and allowing the embassy to

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Speaker 20: be built right in the center of London. However, the

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Speaker 20: Shadow Home Secretary is weighing in on this, saying that

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Speaker 20: you're right, we don't think it should be built there.

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Speaker 20: But a minister for this current government is saying that

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Speaker 20: the security concerns don't need to be worried about because

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Speaker 20: we've taken care assidiously in the planning process.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant. Hey, thank you very much Gavin for talking us

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Speaker 2: through at Gavin Gray, UK Correspondent eight away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the hitherto per se Allan Drive full show podcast

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by newstalg zibby here.

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Speaker 2: Then maybe I should contact TV and Z to complain

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Speaker 2: that Burger King won't give me my promo T shirt.

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Speaker 2: But hey, listen, if you're going to do it, wait

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Speaker 2: until you wait for a Sunday, because you absolutely need

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Speaker 2: to get maximum viewership and then tell them, tell them

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Speaker 2: that it's an exclusive, and then they'll put that little

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Speaker 2: exclusive than got it. Then they'll definitely put it at

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Speaker 2: number one. Hither, you were incorrect about at Tesla only

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Speaker 2: running on three G. Every Tesla sold since twenty fifteen

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Speaker 2: supports four G LTE, and even the few sold before

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Speaker 2: then have now been retrofitted. Think you should correct this

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Speaker 2: before angry Tesla drivers get on the phone to Spark

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Speaker 2: in one tomorrow. No, they're not getting on the phone

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Speaker 2: to Spark and one. They're calling TV and Z and

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Speaker 2: again they are calling them on a Sunday and they

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Speaker 2: are saying exclusive. Put it on tally. There you go anyway.

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Speaker 2: So James says it's not a problem for Tesla. I say,

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Speaker 2: it may be a problem for Tesla. Put it in

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Speaker 2: your diary. March thirty one. Next year, Let's found out and.

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Speaker 6: Spinning around by Kylie Mino's players out Nights.

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Speaker 2: Knew you loved weird music.

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Speaker 6: You know what I did it. I don't particularly love

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Speaker 6: this Calumn Oak song, but there are other Calimnoak songs

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Speaker 6: that I think of. Bob's. She has joined the twenty

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Speaker 6: one Club, which is a thing. London's O two Arena

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Speaker 6: has London O two Arena seats twenty thousand people, so

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Speaker 6: if you can sell it out twenty one times, you

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Speaker 6: get to be in the twenty one Club. Prince was

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Speaker 6: the first person in the club. He made it in

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Speaker 6: two thousand and seven and since then Michael Boublay take

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Speaker 6: that one direction. Drake Young voices, Mickey Flanagan and Michael McIntire.

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Speaker 6: There the only people who've done it now, Kylie.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's not really like, it's not an illustrious list.

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Speaker 6: I'm being peck I'll be honest. I don't know who

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Speaker 6: young voices Mickey Flanagan or Michael McIntyre are.

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Speaker 2: Michael McIntire is the comedian, you know, the one who's

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Speaker 2: sort of like he is, but post I mean to

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Speaker 2: be for twenty thousands pretty good for a comedy show,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, and take that.

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Speaker 6: I was like, yeah, yeah, but I mean we're not

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Speaker 6: some directions pretty good, that's yeah. I feel like they

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Speaker 6: could sell many more than twenty thousand six.

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Speaker 2: But we're not talking about the Rolling Stones here, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean.

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Speaker 6: Oh, Prince's pretty nay, but yeah, I feel like they

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Speaker 6: got really excited when Prince did it, and they figured

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Speaker 6: it with the next one would be the Rolling Stones,

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Speaker 6: and instead they've ended up with young voices.

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Speaker 19: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be mean, but I do feel

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Speaker 2: like Prince is definitely holding the own that you're holding

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Speaker 2: it by himself. There, you know.

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Speaker 6: The congratulations, Kylie, thanks again for the KFC either.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome ants you deserve it as you are very

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Speaker 2: good at.

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Speaker 8: What you do?

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Speaker 15: You know that ain't so?

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Speaker 6: Are you head? That's why I gave you that award.

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Speaker 2: To packing music suck at that half the time. Enjoy

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Speaker 2: your evening so you tomorrow

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Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to

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