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Speaker 3: this afternoon. Australian legend Mark Winterbottom is with us after

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Speaker 3: twenty thirteen. Winter Bottom after the two o'clock News Today.

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Speaker 3: First Up Today, though, The ongoing issue of head injuries

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Speaker 3: and their effects on those who play collision sport brought

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Speaker 3: of former Tasman Highlanders and New Zealand Moory rugby player

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Speaker 3: Shane Christi. He believed he was suffering from CTE, a

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Speaker 3: neuro degenerative brain condition. Shane Christi entered his life this week.

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Speaker 3: Former Welsh international Alex Popham was diagnosed with probable CTE

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Speaker 3: and early onset dementia in twenty twenty. He's been an

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Speaker 3: extremely vocal advocate for awareness and change in this area.

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Speaker 3: Alex Popham is with us on this shortly. I'm very

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Speaker 3: keen to chew it over with you as well. How

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Speaker 3: can effective and sustainable change be made in this very

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Speaker 3: important area? Other matters around today. Double dose of football

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Speaker 3: for you after one Auckland FC coach Steve Coricker with

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Speaker 3: us up to his side semi final defeat to semi

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Speaker 3: Going to drill down into the troubles at Old Trafford,

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Speaker 3: Southland looking to get their hands on the Log Awards

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Speaker 3: this afternoon for the first time since twenty eleven. They

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Speaker 3: challenged ranfully shieldholders White cutto in Hamilton. That's a four

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Speaker 3: thirty five kickoff Stag's legend. Jason Rutler just with us

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Speaker 3: to preview that one. James mccony as usual on a

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Speaker 3: Round five of the Bunnings ENDPC continues. Wellington v Auckland,

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Speaker 3: couple of sides desperately searching for some form. They meet

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Speaker 3: from five past two at Jerry Collins Stadium in Pottydoer,

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Speaker 3: Round four of the Fara Palmer Cup. In the early

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Speaker 3: against Taranaki, forty seven mill ahead after thirty five minutes

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Speaker 3: in that one. Why Cut will take on Canabury and

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Speaker 3: Tennis Open action as well. From the night session at

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Speaker 3: Flushing Meadows, Kiwi. Michael Venus has just started his first

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Speaker 3: round doubles match. He's partnering Indian player Yuki Bambrie. They

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Speaker 3: Very very sad news this week with the passing of

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Speaker 3: seventy three times for Tasman and captain the Markolf for

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Speaker 3: four seasons, leading them to their maiden title in twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 3: He also played twenty nine times for the Highlanders, including

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Speaker 3: Christie's playing career ended in twenty seventeen when he began

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Speaker 3: experiencing serious concussion symptoms. After his retirement from the game,

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Speaker 3: Alex Popham is a former Welsh international rugby player thirty

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Speaker 3: four Change, a charity pioneering positive change to prioritize brain

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Speaker 3: thanks for joining us. How did you hear of the

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Speaker 4: I woke up on Wednesday morning with messages from Carl Heman.

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Speaker 5: And just rung them straight away.

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Speaker 4: It's been a very tough week and film feel pretty

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Speaker 5: And it's very very hard.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been really tough, and just just.

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Speaker 4: Hearing all the and reading all the lover and support

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Speaker 4: for Shane. It's just such a stop myself from swearing.

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Speaker 4: But I'm just angry with this situation still still carrying on.

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Speaker 4: He was such a eloquent guy speaking.

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Speaker 5: He spoke softly, but he spoke with real meaning.

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Speaker 4: And what's gone on with him over the last few

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Speaker 4: years and and putting this message out there, and I

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Speaker 5: To its head where three weeks ago, four weeks ago.

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Speaker 4: He released the recording of the CEO, Rob Nickel of

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Speaker 4: after the players gaslight in this situation and downplaying the

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Speaker 4: seriousness of it. He was hoping that would be picked

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Speaker 4: up that recording of telling the current players that it's

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Speaker 4: really and then turning around and saying that rugby is

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Speaker 4: for me, I think Shane thought that that was going

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Speaker 4: now we're talking about it, and that is just the

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Speaker 4: wrong way round. This message needs to get out there

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Speaker 4: to the current players, to the mums and dads, to

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Speaker 4: saw an appearance we've lost their child with this situation

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Speaker 5: I'm angry because this.

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Speaker 4: Man put his life on hold for the last three

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Speaker 3: I would I see you use a lot is denial

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Speaker 4: Well, what's happening now in rugby? It's legal denial to

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Speaker 4: that opens up a can of worms. They know every hit,

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Speaker 4: every recontact, not just to the head, is causing small

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Speaker 4: amount of damage to the brain and that over a

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Speaker 4: player's career is resulting in CTE. So the big changes

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Speaker 4: a traumatic brain injury and that player's being diagnosed, not

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Speaker 4: rushing them back in six bloody days. They need a

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Speaker 4: good twenty eight day so that brain to recover. But

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Speaker 4: there's a protocol that fits that. There's six steps that

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Speaker 4: fits into six days that these players don't miss a game.

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Speaker 4: And you've got rugby boys and rugby women who were warriors,

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Speaker 4: who were gladiators and want to be on that pitch.

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Speaker 5: That power needs to be taken out of their hands.

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Speaker 4: The other things that we would like is limit on

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Speaker 4: I think having those things in and they're checking out

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Speaker 4: gimmicks with bloody gum shields and this and that, it's

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Speaker 4: all smoke and mirrors to what really is happening.

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Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned the smart mouth guards there and a

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Speaker 3: roundabout why trials of a lower techl heightened community rugby

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Speaker 3: alleviate the effis you don't believe that there's anywhere near.

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Speaker 4: Enough, no nowhere near the good thing from it. We're

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Speaker 4: talking about it. It's getting out there, it's educating mums

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Speaker 4: the gum shields they've chosen, they've gone with the manufacturer

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Speaker 4: that doesn't show all the hits, so those gun shields

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Speaker 4: stop recording at seventy g. There was another manufacturer that

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Speaker 4: Harlequins were using and record over so show the full picture,

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Speaker 4: but that was too damn into the game of rugby

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Speaker 4: because a car crash was happening every single game.

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Speaker 3: To most players, it's you say, Alex, these are warriors,

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Speaker 3: the men and women who go out and play rugby,

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Speaker 3: and not just those at elite level. But everybody who

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Speaker 3: and I'm sure many downplay the effect of hid knocks

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Speaker 3: What can we do about that?

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Speaker 4: In again, it needs to be taken out of their hands.

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Speaker 4: So other sports that are very physical as well, and

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Speaker 4: so boxing. The same injury in boxing, you can't step

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Speaker 4: back in that ring for three months. I'm not saying

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Speaker 4: give it the respect it needs and give it the

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Speaker 4: twenty eight days.

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Speaker 5: Most of the changes we want and.

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Speaker 4: Guidelines put in place, they're off the pitch to Monday

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Speaker 5: We can have our gladiator.

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Speaker 4: Spectacle on a match day, but we take that as

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Speaker 4: rugby players, but they need to be looked after during

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Speaker 5: When there has been a traumatic brain injury.

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Speaker 4: The length of the season, the number of games they're playing,

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Speaker 4: all of this You've got to look at the brain

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Speaker 4: as like the mileage on a car. These miles on

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Speaker 4: these boys brains and women's brains is just racking up

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Speaker 4: and we need to reduce it massively.

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Speaker 3: Do you think player attitudes are changing Alex, do you

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Speaker 3: think there's a great realization among current players, those who

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Speaker 3: are still playing the game, you know, of the long

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Speaker 3: term fix that they could potentially face.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it is getting better.

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Speaker 4: We saw it in the Lions series with Gary Ringrose

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Speaker 5: That that was very brave of Gary.

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Speaker 4: But I'd say ninety five percent of the players wouldn't

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Speaker 4: wouldn't do that because they wouldn't know if that situation

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Speaker 4: would would come up again and play for in such

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Speaker 5: So I think.

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Speaker 4: Well, I I don't think change will come until the

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Speaker 4: You wouldn't have your CEO of the players Association, who's

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Speaker 5: But it shouldn't be in this situation.

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Speaker 3: It's a sobering, sobering topic of conversation and ded Alex

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Speaker 5: I still love rugby.

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Speaker 4: We can still make this game, this special game, carry on,

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Speaker 4: It is hard to talk about this exposure and telling

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Speaker 3: All the beast to you, Alex, thanks for your time today.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: That is Alex Popham, former Welsh International co founder of

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Speaker 3: and that's entirely natural. Who doesn't want to play. Who

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Speaker 3: So what do we just wait for the next one now?

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Speaker 6: Hi Fannie, thanks for addressing this problem front on. Are

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Speaker 3: if you zoom out on it, Dallas. The point that's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's and that's not all to the head, Dallas. Look,

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Speaker 3: But you know, to the to their bodies and yours,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but the more understanding we have then the more

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No sport wants to place obstacles in the way

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Speaker 3: of participation. Amor they you.

433
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Speaker 8: Say, voluntarily in a car crash, would you?

434
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Speaker 3: I mean no, no, that's right. Yeah. But again, one

435
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Speaker 3: of the great attractions of rugby is it's physicality. And

436
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Speaker 3: I'm talking about participation as well as us watching from

437
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Speaker 3: the sidelines. I've never played rugby, but I love watching

438
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Speaker 3: the game for lots of reasons, not just the physicality,

439
00:25:26,987 --> 00:25:28,427
Speaker 3: but that's a big part of it. I don't want

440
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Speaker 3: to see, you know, there's been suggestions of only tackling

441
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Speaker 3: below the waist. I don't want to see that. I

442
00:25:33,267 --> 00:25:35,427
Speaker 3: don't want that. Of course, you can't just go around

443
00:25:35,507 --> 00:25:38,947
Speaker 3: taking people's heads off, and that's been addressed. But I

444
00:25:38,987 --> 00:25:42,667
Speaker 3: think rugby does face a challenge around participation, and particularly

445
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Speaker 3: with young people because their parents obviously have the biggest say,

446
00:25:46,587 --> 00:25:49,427
Speaker 3: do parents want to send their children into a sport

447
00:25:49,467 --> 00:25:52,587
Speaker 3: where there is the potential for long term damage? And

448
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Speaker 3: of course none of us do. None of us want

449
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Speaker 3: to put our kids in harm's way, do we?

450
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Speaker 8: No? No, especially when not in other choices that do

451
00:26:02,227 --> 00:26:07,347
Speaker 8: give huge physicality to your personal body still still challenge involved.

452
00:26:07,387 --> 00:26:12,427
Speaker 8: There's still there's plenty of sport options for that. It's

453
00:26:12,547 --> 00:26:15,227
Speaker 8: just not the same from a spectator point of view.

454
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Speaker 8: And maybe we've just got to if it becomes something

455
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Speaker 8: that we can't solve, then I mean, I you know,

456
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Speaker 8: it's just it's a societal choice maybe where there'll be

457
00:26:26,347 --> 00:26:28,067
Speaker 8: a lot of grief that you know, on the upside

458
00:26:28,067 --> 00:26:30,307
Speaker 8: there's more money for other things. I don't know that.

459
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Speaker 8: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but Marie, don't apologize. Your stream of consciousness

461
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Speaker 3: is extremely valuable. You know, often this is the way

462
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Speaker 3: we do talk things out. It's just by kicking it

463
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Speaker 3: around together, you know, talking about it. And we can't

464
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Speaker 3: always be as articulate or as eloquent as we would like.

465
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Speaker 3: I know I can't be, but it's important that we're

466
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Speaker 3: talking about it. Good for you, Thanks am, Marie, appreciate

467
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Speaker 3: your call twenty six away from one Luise. Please hold there.

468
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Speaker 3: I want to get your perspective and just a moment,

469
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Speaker 3: Twenty three away from one Luise. Thank you for holding.

476
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Speaker 3: You've got some real will experience in this area.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I do. I work in the area of

478
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Speaker 9: concussion rehabilitation and have done for decades, so I do.

479
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Speaker 9: I just want to say out for Amory spoke so well.

480
00:27:31,387 --> 00:27:35,107
Speaker 9: She just summed it up so well. There's no easy

481
00:27:35,267 --> 00:27:39,907
Speaker 9: solution to this. We don't want sport to be so

482
00:27:41,147 --> 00:27:51,187
Speaker 9: modified that it's no longer sport and contact sport does

483
00:27:51,307 --> 00:27:56,667
Speaker 9: have risk and it has excitement, and that's that's really

484
00:27:57,027 --> 00:28:01,347
Speaker 9: you know, while we watch it, it's how we manage it.

485
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Speaker 9: And I would say that I think in particular the

486
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Speaker 9: ins Are You has taken big steps towards managing concussion,

487
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Speaker 9: but I don't know that they've done it in a

488
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Speaker 9: holistic way. They've done it in a very physical, scientific way.

489
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Speaker 3: So just unpack that first lais so how can they

490
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Speaker 3: be more holistic about it?

491
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Speaker 9: Well, I found it very interesting. I didn't hear what

492
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Speaker 9: Rob Nichol said in terms of there being lifestyle choices

493
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Speaker 9: that these players make that have contributed to their cognitive

494
00:28:46,547 --> 00:28:51,827
Speaker 9: challenges and their paying challenges. I didn't hear any of that,

495
00:28:51,987 --> 00:28:57,467
Speaker 9: but I remember distinctly yesterday saying to my husband, Actually,

496
00:28:58,787 --> 00:29:04,227
Speaker 9: in that are you don't provide any allied health support

497
00:29:04,427 --> 00:29:10,347
Speaker 9: that don't provide any coology. And when you have constant headache,

498
00:29:10,507 --> 00:29:16,067
Speaker 9: constant pain, constant sleep disruption, and your job is relying

499
00:29:16,147 --> 00:29:20,227
Speaker 9: on you managing those symptoms, then you're going you risk

500
00:29:20,547 --> 00:29:24,827
Speaker 9: the challenge of looking at other ways of managing that.

501
00:29:25,267 --> 00:29:28,227
Speaker 9: And maybe some of these players have turned to alcohol

502
00:29:28,267 --> 00:29:32,867
Speaker 9: and drugs in gambling or whatever is a way of

503
00:29:32,907 --> 00:29:41,507
Speaker 9: alleviating those symptoms and distracting themselves from them. And that's

504
00:29:41,627 --> 00:29:48,867
Speaker 9: where you do need more than just doctors and exercise

505
00:29:48,987 --> 00:29:52,827
Speaker 9: physiologists determining what your heart rate is before you can

506
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Speaker 9: return to play, which is really standard of practice in

507
00:29:56,267 --> 00:29:59,267
Speaker 9: those realms. There's a lot more to it, and I

508
00:29:59,307 --> 00:30:04,947
Speaker 9: don't know that that is actually being employed in its entirety.

509
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Speaker 3: There's also Louise that there's also because at the professional,

510
00:30:11,427 --> 00:30:15,707
Speaker 3: the elite level, you know, there is a responsibility from

511
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Speaker 3: New Zealand Rugby to look after their employees because that's

512
00:30:18,947 --> 00:30:22,827
Speaker 3: what they are effectively. But down in clubland, where you know,

513
00:30:23,227 --> 00:30:25,707
Speaker 3: players who play club rugby have all got jobs, but

514
00:30:25,707 --> 00:30:27,347
Speaker 3: they can get a whack on their head as well.

515
00:30:30,147 --> 00:30:32,987
Speaker 3: You know, ideally, if someone gets a whack on the

516
00:30:33,027 --> 00:30:35,547
Speaker 3: head and gets concussion playing club rugby, how long should

517
00:30:35,587 --> 00:30:37,747
Speaker 3: it be before they get back out there.

518
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Speaker 9: It should be symptom based. It shouldn't be a time frame.

519
00:30:41,787 --> 00:30:46,787
Speaker 9: It actually should be symptom based. How do you actually feel,

520
00:30:47,147 --> 00:30:50,747
Speaker 9: not time? How do you actually feel? Okay? You go

521
00:30:50,947 --> 00:30:53,907
Speaker 9: and do this. Be it a physical you know, like

522
00:30:53,947 --> 00:30:57,467
Speaker 9: a training thing, or be it actually something like you say,

523
00:30:57,467 --> 00:30:59,747
Speaker 9: at a club leave or you're at work and you

524
00:30:59,827 --> 00:31:03,987
Speaker 9: can't concentrate on sending an email out of Joe blogs

525
00:31:04,267 --> 00:31:07,587
Speaker 9: in your business, you shouldn't really be going back to

526
00:31:07,667 --> 00:31:12,467
Speaker 9: play it should it's too It really should be more

527
00:31:12,587 --> 00:31:15,627
Speaker 9: nuanced than I think it is at this moment. And

528
00:31:16,227 --> 00:31:21,467
Speaker 9: that that's the challenge for sport is they just want

529
00:31:21,547 --> 00:31:24,547
Speaker 9: it to be you do this, this and this and

530
00:31:24,587 --> 00:31:28,707
Speaker 9: it's sorted, and it actually isn't that easy. And that's

531
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Speaker 9: where I thought Emory was so fabulous, is just saying

532
00:31:32,267 --> 00:31:33,227
Speaker 9: it's not easy.

533
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Speaker 3: Loise. Thank you so much for your perspective. It's extremely valuable.

534
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Speaker 3: Thank you for calling through. Hello, Bill, good.

535
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Speaker 10: Morning, good morning, Oh, good afternoon.

536
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Speaker 3: Enough. It's close enough, Bill, we're only at twenty to one. Mate.

537
00:31:49,627 --> 00:31:51,467
Speaker 3: I think we can still say on a Sunday that

538
00:31:51,507 --> 00:31:53,027
Speaker 3: it's morning. Nice to hear from your mate.

539
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Speaker 10: It could have been as a result of Mike could customers.

540
00:31:57,467 --> 00:32:02,187
Speaker 10: Hey listen, I I'll take you back to nineteen sixty two.

541
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Speaker 10: I was playing in Canterbury. I was at Lincoln College

542
00:32:06,427 --> 00:32:11,947
Speaker 10: the time, and I was playing. I'd had two seasons

543
00:32:12,027 --> 00:32:16,067
Speaker 10: up there. I'd played for Kenemy B and Captain Canaery Colts,

544
00:32:17,067 --> 00:32:19,747
Speaker 10: so I did play with a rugby there. I'd already

545
00:32:19,787 --> 00:32:23,907
Speaker 10: played for Target Colts. Came back to the farm and said,

546
00:32:23,947 --> 00:32:28,827
Speaker 10: toltago after the doctor I saw because what was happening

547
00:32:28,867 --> 00:32:31,667
Speaker 10: at the end of the nineteen sixty two seasons. If

548
00:32:31,707 --> 00:32:33,707
Speaker 10: I so much as had a sip of beer, I

549
00:32:33,747 --> 00:32:36,867
Speaker 10: got a raging headache, and I met a raging headache

550
00:32:36,867 --> 00:32:39,667
Speaker 10: and I just had to go home to bed. And

551
00:32:39,747 --> 00:32:42,747
Speaker 10: I did that for I don't know three four weeks,

552
00:32:43,107 --> 00:32:45,947
Speaker 10: and I finally went to see a doctor and he

553
00:32:46,027 --> 00:32:48,747
Speaker 10: was totally confused as to what it could be. He

554
00:32:49,227 --> 00:32:52,547
Speaker 10: had really had no idea as to what I was suffering,

555
00:32:53,547 --> 00:32:56,347
Speaker 10: and he thought about it, thought about it. He finally said, look, all,

556
00:32:56,387 --> 00:32:59,547
Speaker 10: I think I can recommend this, but you give up rugby.

557
00:33:00,827 --> 00:33:04,427
Speaker 10: So I headed back to the farm and to rugby

558
00:33:04,467 --> 00:33:08,147
Speaker 10: med community, of course, and I wasn't playing rugby, so

559
00:33:08,187 --> 00:33:11,267
Speaker 10: I wasn't popular, but that that was I put my

560
00:33:11,267 --> 00:33:16,707
Speaker 10: my the advice I had first. So I took the

561
00:33:16,707 --> 00:33:19,267
Speaker 10: whole year off and went back to rugby. The following

562
00:33:19,347 --> 00:33:22,787
Speaker 10: year played bit of rep rugby, and the following year

563
00:33:22,827 --> 00:33:28,387
Speaker 10: I was selected to play for Targo and and so

564
00:33:28,587 --> 00:33:31,707
Speaker 10: I was well. I was good enough to prop against

565
00:33:31,747 --> 00:33:35,067
Speaker 10: the spring Bucks, so it must have been reasonable. But

566
00:33:35,627 --> 00:33:38,067
Speaker 10: the bottom line is that I did not have a

567
00:33:38,107 --> 00:33:43,147
Speaker 10: relapse of problem, and I certainly was able to drink

568
00:33:43,187 --> 00:33:47,507
Speaker 10: beer after a game without any after any adverse effects.

569
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Speaker 3: So you reckon it was the time off, Bill? Do

570
00:33:49,667 --> 00:33:51,187
Speaker 3: you reckon? It was the time off that did.

571
00:33:51,067 --> 00:33:55,587
Speaker 10: That Uh yeah, well it was probably excessive because you know,

572
00:33:55,747 --> 00:33:57,827
Speaker 10: you were just listening to the woman before, you're saying

573
00:33:57,867 --> 00:34:03,187
Speaker 10: something like, you know, how do you assess what's going

574
00:34:03,227 --> 00:34:06,947
Speaker 10: on in the brain, how do you assess the damage

575
00:34:06,987 --> 00:34:09,427
Speaker 10: that's done? And so, as far as I'm concerned, that

576
00:34:09,867 --> 00:34:12,787
Speaker 10: twelve months oh well it was twelve months agoose, but

577
00:34:12,827 --> 00:34:17,867
Speaker 10: it was say six or seven months off was totally

578
00:34:18,027 --> 00:34:23,947
Speaker 10: invaluable to my brain recovering and and you know it.

579
00:34:24,707 --> 00:34:29,347
Speaker 10: And subsequently I took part in a as a volunteer

580
00:34:30,387 --> 00:34:34,067
Speaker 10: for the Brain Research Institute, New Zealand Brain Research Institute,

581
00:34:34,707 --> 00:34:41,227
Speaker 10: which was a full on research project and it involved

582
00:34:41,507 --> 00:34:46,307
Speaker 10: four hours of question and answers and remembering things for

583
00:34:46,387 --> 00:34:49,107
Speaker 10: twenty minutes for two hours and all sort of thing

584
00:34:50,067 --> 00:34:54,427
Speaker 10: full on. And the following the first year that was fine.

585
00:34:54,547 --> 00:34:58,267
Speaker 10: The second year I got better marks than the first year,

586
00:34:58,347 --> 00:35:00,387
Speaker 10: so they told me I didn't need to go back.

587
00:35:00,947 --> 00:35:05,587
Speaker 10: So I didn't have a lasting brain problem. And I'm

588
00:35:05,947 --> 00:35:13,627
Speaker 10: nearly a and I don't suffer any brain problem. And

589
00:35:13,707 --> 00:35:20,507
Speaker 10: so what I would suggest is that too many people

590
00:35:20,787 --> 00:35:25,907
Speaker 10: are looking at the effects, not the cause. The cause

591
00:35:25,987 --> 00:35:31,987
Speaker 10: of this problem is the physicality of the game of rugby.

592
00:35:32,747 --> 00:35:35,987
Speaker 10: And I have written to the rugby Union and suggested

593
00:35:36,027 --> 00:35:37,947
Speaker 10: that they get rid of this thing called them all,

594
00:35:38,347 --> 00:35:42,867
Speaker 10: which is an unsightly method of bodies that align themselves

595
00:35:42,947 --> 00:35:47,587
Speaker 10: up like torpedoes from both sides. And if there isn't

596
00:35:47,667 --> 00:35:51,467
Speaker 10: damage there that are going to be lasting, everlasting, I'll

597
00:35:51,507 --> 00:35:56,147
Speaker 10: go in because that is the craziest situation and it

598
00:35:56,187 --> 00:36:00,347
Speaker 10: is the most undignified way of playing a game where

599
00:36:00,387 --> 00:36:04,747
Speaker 10: everybody crashes into each other, lies on the ground until

600
00:36:04,787 --> 00:36:09,427
Speaker 10: the red blows the whistle and pedalo and that is

601
00:36:09,467 --> 00:36:10,907
Speaker 10: the nub of the problem.

602
00:36:11,747 --> 00:36:13,147
Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna have to leave it because I need

603
00:36:13,187 --> 00:36:17,467
Speaker 3: to move. But I mean, I'm I'm glad you took

604
00:36:17,467 --> 00:36:22,467
Speaker 3: the time off because who knows. If you hadn't, you

605
00:36:22,547 --> 00:36:26,027
Speaker 3: might not be calling us now. I appreciate your call

606
00:36:26,147 --> 00:36:27,547
Speaker 3: very much. I just want to read a text out

607
00:36:27,587 --> 00:36:31,987
Speaker 3: before we go to a break. It's from Campbell. What

608
00:36:32,067 --> 00:36:35,707
Speaker 3: a load of bs, says Campbell. This whole conversation is,

609
00:36:36,307 --> 00:36:40,587
Speaker 3: this woke, soft narrative is ruining the game just because

610
00:36:40,587 --> 00:36:44,307
Speaker 3: a few people have had problems, The majority, by far

611
00:36:44,467 --> 00:36:47,947
Speaker 3: do not have problems. Should we ban motorcycles because a

612
00:36:47,947 --> 00:36:50,947
Speaker 3: lot of them, a lot of people fall off them

613
00:36:51,347 --> 00:37:00,147
Speaker 3: get a grip denial. The time for denial is gone

614
00:37:00,907 --> 00:37:03,227
Speaker 3: thirteen to one. Back in a moment, the.

615
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Speaker 11: How we good?

621
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Speaker 12: Thank you good?

622
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Speaker 11: Yeah, a lot good conversation. But it looks so it's

623
00:37:24,667 --> 00:37:27,427
Speaker 11: a it's a full conclusion that there is a problem there,

624
00:37:27,627 --> 00:37:29,587
Speaker 11: and there's no two doubts about that. You've got the

625
00:37:29,627 --> 00:37:32,027
Speaker 11: medical fraternity saying it, and you also got players and

626
00:37:32,067 --> 00:37:34,307
Speaker 11: all the rest of it. The thing that I've got

627
00:37:34,347 --> 00:37:36,187
Speaker 11: my head can't trying to get my head around it.

628
00:37:36,267 --> 00:37:40,027
Speaker 11: Is why you can spend millions and billions of dollars

629
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Speaker 11: on protection in the car and other other forms of

630
00:37:46,667 --> 00:37:49,787
Speaker 11: machinery and pieces that can damage the body and everything else.

631
00:37:49,787 --> 00:37:52,267
Speaker 11: But it doesn't look as though the rugby but you

632
00:37:52,347 --> 00:37:55,547
Speaker 11: and I'm talking world rugby, not just New Zealand Rugby,

633
00:37:56,227 --> 00:37:59,467
Speaker 11: can't put money into trying to solve this problem. And

634
00:37:59,587 --> 00:38:02,707
Speaker 11: as satisfy satisfactory everybody, if they sit back and do nothing,

635
00:38:02,707 --> 00:38:06,507
Speaker 11: then they're always going to get blamed. For example, what

636
00:38:06,547 --> 00:38:10,787
Speaker 11: happened to headgear? Why isn't it impulsory? Why isn't the

637
00:38:10,827 --> 00:38:14,507
Speaker 11: homework Why isn't being homework done on a satisfactory head

638
00:38:14,587 --> 00:38:18,187
Speaker 11: gear with a geliner that can absorb thirty or forty

639
00:38:18,187 --> 00:38:21,507
Speaker 11: percent of the impact that takes place when these are

640
00:38:21,747 --> 00:38:25,747
Speaker 11: concussions occur. If you get it, they start to minimize

641
00:38:25,867 --> 00:38:29,267
Speaker 11: and spend the money on developing something that is satisfactory

642
00:38:29,467 --> 00:38:33,547
Speaker 11: and workable and usable by players. Doesn't change the rules

643
00:38:33,547 --> 00:38:36,827
Speaker 11: of the game or anything else that minimizes to a

644
00:38:36,907 --> 00:38:39,707
Speaker 11: large degree the severity of concussion impact.

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Speaker 3: It's a good point, Peter, It's a good point. Look,

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Speaker 3: and I think we have to give World Rugby and

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Speaker 3: the individual unions some credit. They haven't They haven't completely

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Speaker 3: ignored this. Smart mouthguards for example, mandatory standowns, much tougher

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Speaker 3: penalties on those who make contact with the head during

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Speaker 3: a game. But I think more can be done. Absolutely

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Speaker 3: more can be done. Sorry to cut you sure, I

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Speaker 3: just wanted to get one more caller on the air Warakai.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I'll be quick as I can. I just wanted

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Speaker 13: to make the point of just people to look at

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Speaker 13: the athletes these days compared to even before it went professional.

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Speaker 13: You know, you had guys like Alan Uson, Grant Batty

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Speaker 13: and Bruce Robertson, guys that weigh unto hundred kilos playing

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Speaker 13: the game at the top level.

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Speaker 11: Now these guys are.

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Speaker 13: All the backs, are all built like bodybuilders. They are

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Speaker 13: massive and they're super fast. But you can't make your

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Speaker 13: brain stronger. You know, it's still vulnerable to these impacts.

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Speaker 13: And it's not even it doesn't even have to be

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Speaker 13: at the head. It can be just the concussions can

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Speaker 13: occur just from the brain moving inside the skull when

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Speaker 13: they stopped that are you know, hitting immovable object sort

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Speaker 13: of thing. So the athletes themselves and because they're professional,

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Speaker 13: of course, if they will professionally would have given it

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Speaker 13: away years ago because you know they've wrecked a lot

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Speaker 13: of them physically wrecked, but they keep playing because it's

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Speaker 13: their job. I don't know how you answer that, how

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Speaker 13: you get around it, but that's that's just the fact.

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Speaker 13: You know, you just look at the guys that are

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Speaker 13: playing the game. It's exciting to watch, but it's incredibly

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Speaker 13: dangerous at that level, incredible dangerous.

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Speaker 3: Warick just so right, you know, I mean as you

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Speaker 3: were reeling off those names. I was thinking of Terry Wright.

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Speaker 3: He'd be lucky, you know. But you're right now. I mean, guys, guys,

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Speaker 3: you know, a big winger and as JK was a

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Speaker 3: big winger in his day, he'd be small now. It's

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Speaker 3: things have changed so much in terms of the size

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Speaker 3: of the athlete. You're so right and thanks for bringing

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Speaker 3: up text here on the same topic. Rugby's biggest issue

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Speaker 3: was Plaza twenty to thirty kilos heavier on average with

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Speaker 3: muscle than thirty years ago when all the old players

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Speaker 3: had had few problems. Bigger, heavier collisions mean more damage.

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Speaker 3: Seven to one News Talk said.

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Speaker 2: Be when it's down to the line.

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Speaker 1: You made a call on eight Weegen Sports with Jason

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Speaker 1: Hine News Talks.

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Speaker 3: B great hour, folks, Thanks for all your calls and correspondence.

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Speaker 3: Just want to finish. There's a great columnant by David

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Speaker 3: Walsh in the Sunday Times on this very issue, which

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Speaker 3: includes this line near the end. A colleague said to me,

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Speaker 3: how can you write about the joys of sport one

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Speaker 3: minute and something terrible as brain damage the next? And

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Speaker 3: the answer from David Walsh's there is stuff you want

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Speaker 3: to write and there's stuff you need to write about

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Speaker 3: news next.

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Speaker 1: True it's the only place to discuss the biggest sports

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Speaker 1: issues on and afterfield.

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Speaker 2: It's all on Weekend's Forward with Jason Vade on your

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Speaker 2: home of Sport used Talk.

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Speaker 3: Hello there, Welcome into the show. Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 3: If you've been with us from the start or part

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Speaker 3: thereof one o seven. I'm Jason Pine. This is Weekend Sport.

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Speaker 3: Andy McDonald is the show producer. We're head till three

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Speaker 3: in an hour or so, joined by Mark Winterbottom. Really

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Speaker 3: looking forward to chatting to a super cars legend. I

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Speaker 3: had the chance to read his book. Look, I'm not

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Speaker 3: the biggest motorsport fan in the world, but I really

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Speaker 3: enjoyed his book. Devoured it. It's a really good read,

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Speaker 3: very insightful. So looking forward to chatting to Mark Winterbottom

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Speaker 3: about his book and about his career in motor racing,

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Speaker 3: which stretches across the last two decades, including a win

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Speaker 3: at Bathist in twenty thirteen. That's after two o'clock. Also

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Speaker 3: one to check in to Staggs Country where they going

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Speaker 3: to try and win the shield this afternoon. Not in

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Speaker 3: Stacks Country, but in Hamilton in the tron where the

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Speaker 3: current incarnation of the Southland Side are going to go

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Speaker 3: up and try and cries that log of what off

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Speaker 3: Whitekuttu who've only had it for eight days? Jason Rutledge

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Speaker 3: Southland Stags Leedgeen one hundred and forty three games for them.

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Speaker 3: He won the shield twice with them and lost it

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Speaker 3: twice with them, but he had a number of cracks

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Speaker 3: out at either side of all of that as well.

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Speaker 3: So how much would it mean if the most famous

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Speaker 3: trophy in New Zealand sport could head to win the Cargil?

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Speaker 3: A little bit later on this evening, Jason Rutledge after

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Speaker 3: two this hour James mccony and a double dose of

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Speaker 3: football coming your way with a look at the trials

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Speaker 3: and tribulations of Manchester United. And I know there are

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Speaker 3: a lot of United fans in New Zealand, so keen

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Speaker 3: to hear your view as well. I'm going to talk

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Speaker 3: to Jay Motty shortly. He's a co host of a

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Speaker 3: fan channel, a Manchester United fan channel which has close

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Speaker 3: to a million online subscribers. How is he feeling about life?

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Speaker 3: And Steve Corricks on the show too. Auckland f C coach.

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Speaker 3: They lost to Heidelberg United last night in the semi

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Speaker 3: finals of the Australia Cup. Heidelberg United are a non

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Speaker 3: professional team. However, Auckland FC have been added to their

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Speaker 3: list of victims. They beat Wellington Phoenix and Western Sydney

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Speaker 3: and now I have beat an Auckland FC to move

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Speaker 3: into the final. Steve Coreic feeling about that and what

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Speaker 3: is now on the agenda between now in the new

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Speaker 3: Bay League season which starts in about six or seven

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Speaker 3: weeks time. Just updating you on Live sport Kievy. Michael

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Speaker 3: Venus has had a real impressive first outing at the

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Speaker 3: US Tennis Open. In his first round doubles match, he

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Speaker 3: and Indian playing partner Yuki Bambrie have beaten the unseated

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Speaker 3: US pair of Marcos Yuron and Learn a teen and

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Speaker 3: straight sets. Into the second round, they're the fourteenth seats

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Speaker 3: Michael Venus and Yuki Bambury so well unto them and

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Speaker 3: at Boty to a part Jerry Collins Stadium, we're in

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Speaker 3: the final minutes. Wellington have done it easily over Tallanhaki's

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Speaker 3: seventy six nil in the Farah Parmer Cup. The late

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Speaker 3: game at Jerry Collins Stadium as Wellington VI Auckland and

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Speaker 3: the NPC. You heard Caleb Clark during our news then

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Speaker 3: he'll be taking a part in this game. And a

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Speaker 3: number of players released to Wellington as well out of

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Speaker 3: the All Blacks. Looking forward to seeing how that one

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Speaker 3: plays out. You can get a full commentary incidentally on

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Speaker 3: Goldsport and iHeartRadio from five past two ten past one.

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Speaker 3: Its skipper Bruno Fernandez has kept his nerve to give

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Speaker 3: Manchester United a very important first win of the season.

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Speaker 14: This is a moment of huge significance Flanchester United.

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Speaker 15: Seven minutes into stoppage time, Bruno.

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Speaker 14: Fernandest, here's your captain surely on that Twitter for Manchester.

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Speaker 3: United, and yes it proved to be so. Bruno Fernandez

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Speaker 3: converting an injury time penalty to give United a three

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Speaker 3: to two victory over Burnley at Old Trafford. That came

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Speaker 3: after an opening day loss to Arsenal, a one Old

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Speaker 3: drawer at Fulham and midweek defeat to fourth tier Grimsby

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Speaker 3: on penalties in the League Cup. All of this off

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Speaker 3: the back of a fifteenth placed finish in the Premier

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Speaker 3: League last season by some distance, their lowest in the

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Speaker 3: Premier League ERA and their lowest since they were relegated

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Speaker 3: from the Old Division I all the way back in

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Speaker 3: the season of nineteen seventy three seventy four. Jay Motty

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Speaker 3: is co host of Stretford Paddock, an online Manchester United

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Speaker 3: fan channel with close to a million subscribers. Jay, let's

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Speaker 3: talk about today first. Was today just a matter of

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Speaker 3: getting the three points in whichever fashion they came?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 16: Absolutely, I mean, look, we needed it when we know

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Speaker 16: obviously it's not been a great start at the season,

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Speaker 16: losing at home to Arsenal despite a decent performance than

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Speaker 16: the draw it Fullham and obviously that absolute horror show

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Speaker 16: away at Grimsby. The pressure is already on Rubin amer In,

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Speaker 16: which sounds insane just three games in, but this is

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Speaker 16: where we are.

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Speaker 17: So to not be a.

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Speaker 16: Newly promoted side at Old Trafford there would have been

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Speaker 16: no excuses and even though it was a bit such

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Speaker 16: and going, obviously we had to rely on a penalty.

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Speaker 17: I'm just glad we got the three points.

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Speaker 16: Was at the game and you know, the atmosphere would

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Speaker 16: have been toxic at the end if we not won.

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Speaker 17: It really would have.

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Speaker 16: But by the end everyone was sort of more relieved.

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Speaker 16: I think than celebratory. It's just a relief that we've

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Speaker 16: got those three points.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 16: I'll go into this international break, hopefully in the next

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Speaker 16: forty hours, get a goalkeeper in and then take it

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Speaker 16: from there. Because it's not been the starts of the

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Speaker 16: season we wanted, especially after the disappointing campaign last time round.

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Speaker 3: This seems like a very odd question to be asking

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Speaker 3: when we haven't even reached up Timber but his brunef

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Speaker 3: and Andy has saved his manager's job today.

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Speaker 16: What I would say on that is, I don't think

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Speaker 16: necessarily that had we not won, Ruby Ameran gets sacked.

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Speaker 16: But I think that if or when Ruben Amering does

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Speaker 16: leave United, that would have been one of the games.

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Speaker 17: You look back and go he needed a win then

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Speaker 17: and he didn't get it.

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Speaker 16: Because we can't keep dropping points, you can't keep having

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Speaker 16: these disappointing results. So I don't know where any your

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Speaker 16: stand with Ruby Avum. I still feel like they're supporting him,

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Speaker 16: So I don't know necessarily whether they've gone right, that's it,

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Speaker 16: You've drawn ou obviously, Burny, you're done. But it would have

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Speaker 16: added more pressure on him and it might be one

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Speaker 16: of those games where when he does leave, you look

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Speaker 16: back and go, look if Bruno had scored that penalty

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Speaker 16: against Burnley, that would have helped him. Obviously he has done.

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Speaker 16: I just hope now we can sort of. I know

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Speaker 16: it's like a common theme at Manchester United and we

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Speaker 16: say all the time a bit of a reset. We

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Speaker 16: have a reset every single season, and now we're having

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Speaker 16: him three games in, but we need.

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Speaker 17: To sort of take stock.

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Speaker 16: Hopefully during this international break used it to sort of

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Speaker 16: I don't even know, maybe just get behind this manager

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Speaker 16: a little bit. Maybe the manager gets the players that

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Speaker 16: aren't in national duty, maybe he has a chat with them,

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Speaker 16: gets them a little bit more on board. And like

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Speaker 16: I said, there's still lot opportunities in the transfer window.

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Speaker 16: We've got a little time left there, but we need

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Speaker 16: to do something because the games after the the international break,

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Speaker 16: I think we've got Manchester City, We've got Chelsea, Brentford away,

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Speaker 16: and then I think we've got Liverpool. So it's not

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Speaker 16: going to get any easier for Rubina and it's going

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Speaker 16: to get a lot harder.

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Speaker 3: Domin Chies. Do United fans like him? Do they on

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Speaker 3: the whole jay? Are they in support of your current boss?

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Speaker 17: Yes, they do. We do.

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Speaker 16: I mean I think that's the problem, if you can

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Speaker 16: call it a problem in terms of his personality and

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Speaker 16: where he comes across.

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Speaker 17: I think everyone's buying into it.

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Speaker 16: I think there was a lot of sympathy in the

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Speaker 16: seem inherited, the mess, inherited, the way he carries himself.

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Speaker 17: He's honesty, which sometimes can be his undoing.

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Speaker 16: If you saw him after the Grimsby game, some of

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Speaker 16: the things he was saying was maybe a little bit

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Speaker 16: too honest, if that's even a thing. But I think

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Speaker 16: most United fans I've spoken to, and certainly the ones

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Speaker 16: that get involved in the comments on the chat on

859
00:48:55,867 --> 00:48:59,467
Speaker 16: the channel back Rubinham. We like him, but you have

860
00:48:59,507 --> 00:49:01,747
Speaker 16: to win football matches, manch United manager. I know that's

861
00:49:01,907 --> 00:49:04,267
Speaker 16: probably the most obvious statement you've ever heard, but it's true.

862
00:49:04,267 --> 00:49:07,427
Speaker 16: We can't keep losing or keep dropping points or getting

863
00:49:07,427 --> 00:49:09,587
Speaker 16: not started Cup competitions. And just because you're good in

864
00:49:09,667 --> 00:49:11,507
Speaker 16: an interview or you're good in a press conference, people

865
00:49:11,547 --> 00:49:12,347
Speaker 16: are going to stick with you.

866
00:49:12,827 --> 00:49:14,587
Speaker 17: Sooner or later you're going to lose the fans. And

867
00:49:14,627 --> 00:49:16,147
Speaker 17: I think there is a bit more of a divide

868
00:49:16,267 --> 00:49:17,107
Speaker 17: in the fan base now.

869
00:49:17,147 --> 00:49:20,707
Speaker 16: I don't think it's as overwhelmingly, overwhelmingly supportive as it

870
00:49:20,707 --> 00:49:22,427
Speaker 16: has been. But I think by in large a lot

871
00:49:22,427 --> 00:49:25,147
Speaker 16: of people do like Rubin Adrian and listen, whether you

872
00:49:25,227 --> 00:49:27,227
Speaker 16: like ruberin Adrio or not, we want him to succeed,

873
00:49:27,307 --> 00:49:29,467
Speaker 16: want Man United to win games, and I think he'll

874
00:49:29,467 --> 00:49:31,467
Speaker 16: always have a sort of call backing in that respect.

875
00:49:31,467 --> 00:49:35,027
Speaker 16: But he has to do better because last season, okay,

876
00:49:35,107 --> 00:49:36,827
Speaker 16: you can say inherit a mess, and you can call

877
00:49:36,867 --> 00:49:38,747
Speaker 16: it a bit of a right off. But this season

878
00:49:38,987 --> 00:49:41,347
Speaker 16: he's had some signings, so we have to we have

879
00:49:41,427 --> 00:49:42,107
Speaker 16: to move forward.

880
00:49:42,747 --> 00:49:45,867
Speaker 3: Since Sir Alex Ferguson left as your manager in twenty thirteen,

881
00:49:45,867 --> 00:49:48,667
Speaker 3: you've had David Moy's, Louis van Hale, Josey Mourinho, only

882
00:49:48,707 --> 00:49:52,387
Speaker 3: Goanna saw show, Eric tin Hagen their Ruben Emeron. Are

883
00:49:52,427 --> 00:49:56,867
Speaker 3: the shoes of Sir Alex simply too big to fill? Jay?

884
00:49:56,987 --> 00:50:01,347
Speaker 16: In some respects, Yeah, because obviously fans of a certain age,

885
00:50:01,347 --> 00:50:05,547
Speaker 16: including my remember winning thirteen titles in twenty years, We

886
00:50:05,587 --> 00:50:09,547
Speaker 16: remember winning the tru remember winning another Champions League in Moscow.

887
00:50:09,627 --> 00:50:11,747
Speaker 16: So it does loom over any manager that sort of

888
00:50:11,787 --> 00:50:14,867
Speaker 16: big shadow. But you can't use that as an excuse

889
00:50:14,987 --> 00:50:18,107
Speaker 16: Sir Alex Ferguson retired twelve years ago. The club have

890
00:50:18,187 --> 00:50:21,027
Speaker 16: spent what nearly two billion pounds I think on transfers.

891
00:50:21,187 --> 00:50:26,027
Speaker 16: Managers have had opportunities. They've inherited squads who've got talented players,

892
00:50:26,067 --> 00:50:28,667
Speaker 16: and we've got talented players. Now, Manchester Unity might be

893
00:50:28,707 --> 00:50:30,627
Speaker 16: a lot of things, but this idea that the entire

894
00:50:30,707 --> 00:50:33,387
Speaker 16: team is terrible is just nonsense because you look at

895
00:50:33,387 --> 00:50:34,667
Speaker 16: some of the players that we've got and some of

896
00:50:34,707 --> 00:50:35,507
Speaker 16: the players we've brought in.

897
00:50:35,587 --> 00:50:36,667
Speaker 17: There's a lot of talent there.

898
00:50:36,787 --> 00:50:39,387
Speaker 16: So managers can't just use the excuse of say, oh, well,

899
00:50:39,667 --> 00:50:42,747
Speaker 16: Ferguie's boots are too big to fill. Eventually you have

900
00:50:42,827 --> 00:50:44,827
Speaker 16: to fill them. You have to have a level of

901
00:50:44,827 --> 00:50:46,947
Speaker 16: success at Manchester United. It's not necessarily you have to

902
00:50:46,947 --> 00:50:48,547
Speaker 16: be as good as Alex Ferguson. I don't think we'll

903
00:50:48,547 --> 00:50:51,667
Speaker 16: get another manager who wins thirteen titles in twenty years

904
00:50:51,747 --> 00:50:53,547
Speaker 16: or stays at the club for twenty six and a

905
00:50:53,587 --> 00:50:56,067
Speaker 16: half years like Sir Alex did. But I do think

906
00:50:56,107 --> 00:50:58,267
Speaker 16: we can have a manager that delivers a title. I

907
00:50:58,347 --> 00:51:00,267
Speaker 16: just don't know whether that is going to be Ruben Hammering.

908
00:51:00,427 --> 00:51:03,587
Speaker 16: I hope it is, but the minute a title challenge

909
00:51:03,707 --> 00:51:05,787
Speaker 16: or let alone, winning one is looking a million miles away,

910
00:51:05,787 --> 00:51:06,267
Speaker 16: it really is.

911
00:51:06,627 --> 00:51:10,667
Speaker 3: You mentioned a goalkeeper as a point of business during

912
00:51:10,827 --> 00:51:14,627
Speaker 3: the international window before the trainsfer window closes. Are there

913
00:51:14,627 --> 00:51:16,707
Speaker 3: any other gips of your skips and the Manchester Do

914
00:51:16,747 --> 00:51:18,187
Speaker 3: you knowed squad at the moment and how do you

915
00:51:18,267 --> 00:51:20,587
Speaker 3: assist that you said just before good players?

916
00:51:21,027 --> 00:51:21,147
Speaker 4: Hew?

917
00:51:21,147 --> 00:51:22,547
Speaker 3: Do you assist the squad at the moment?

918
00:51:23,467 --> 00:51:25,147
Speaker 16: I think the issue we've got with the squad mainly

919
00:51:25,227 --> 00:51:28,907
Speaker 16: is goalkeeper and midfield. We haven't got that right combination

920
00:51:28,987 --> 00:51:29,987
Speaker 16: in midfield that works.

921
00:51:30,267 --> 00:51:32,067
Speaker 17: Listen. I'm a massive Cobby.

922
00:51:31,867 --> 00:51:33,867
Speaker 16: Maine who found I absolutely love him, but has he

923
00:51:33,907 --> 00:51:35,987
Speaker 16: got the legs to work in a too man midfield?

924
00:51:36,267 --> 00:51:36,867
Speaker 17: Probably not?

925
00:51:37,347 --> 00:51:39,507
Speaker 16: Also Casimiro's he got the legs to be in a

926
00:51:39,507 --> 00:51:41,827
Speaker 16: too man midfield? I don't think he has. Are you

927
00:51:41,867 --> 00:51:43,947
Speaker 16: getting the best start of Bruno having him sitting deep

928
00:51:43,987 --> 00:51:46,747
Speaker 16: when he's alongside someone like Casamiro? I'm not sure you

929
00:51:46,787 --> 00:51:49,027
Speaker 16: are because that midfield sort of double pivot, it just

930
00:51:49,147 --> 00:51:51,467
Speaker 16: isn't working. That needs to be solved now. There was

931
00:51:51,547 --> 00:51:54,347
Speaker 16: Soker was going in for Carlos Belabor from bright who's

932
00:51:54,387 --> 00:51:56,347
Speaker 16: got that energy, He's got those legs that you need

933
00:51:56,507 --> 00:51:58,107
Speaker 16: if you're going to have a midfield that works in

934
00:51:58,107 --> 00:52:00,467
Speaker 16: this system. But it doesn't look like we're going to

935
00:52:00,467 --> 00:52:03,307
Speaker 16: get him in the January, sorry, in the summer transfer window,

936
00:52:03,467 --> 00:52:04,507
Speaker 16: so I don't know what you're going to do in

937
00:52:04,507 --> 00:52:07,987
Speaker 16: the meantime, maybe just keeps to shuffle the pack Manually.

938
00:52:08,027 --> 00:52:10,747
Speaker 16: Guy is not the player we were hoping he would be.

939
00:52:11,067 --> 00:52:14,107
Speaker 16: I mean, I know he's only into what his second season.

940
00:52:14,387 --> 00:52:16,667
Speaker 16: He's barely played this season, but from what we've seen

941
00:52:16,707 --> 00:52:18,147
Speaker 16: so far, it's just not been good enough.

942
00:52:18,267 --> 00:52:20,387
Speaker 17: So that's the biggest issue for me. Obviously the goalkeeper.

943
00:52:20,387 --> 00:52:22,987
Speaker 16: We saw it again against Burnley Alty Bay and Day

944
00:52:23,507 --> 00:52:25,627
Speaker 16: didn't cover himself in glory, just as Andre and Arna

945
00:52:25,667 --> 00:52:28,587
Speaker 16: didn't against Grimsby. So the goalkeeper situation is something that

946
00:52:28,587 --> 00:52:30,867
Speaker 16: needs addressing. Although I think the club are looking in

947
00:52:30,907 --> 00:52:33,947
Speaker 16: at getting the senes la Man's send Lamn sorry for

948
00:52:34,387 --> 00:52:36,547
Speaker 16: Ann Swerp. He should be coming in I think in

949
00:52:36,587 --> 00:52:39,227
Speaker 16: the next twenty four hours. And then you look at

950
00:52:39,227 --> 00:52:41,427
Speaker 16: the midfield though, are we going to get someone in

951
00:52:41,547 --> 00:52:42,667
Speaker 16: or are we going to have to just work with

952
00:52:42,707 --> 00:52:44,307
Speaker 16: what we've got. That's going to be a bit of

953
00:52:44,347 --> 00:52:46,227
Speaker 16: a headache for the manager, because I think in terms

954
00:52:46,227 --> 00:52:48,147
Speaker 16: of the lack of goals last season, we've obviously brought

955
00:52:48,187 --> 00:52:51,507
Speaker 16: in Brian Boom, Molmontes Kunia and Benjamin Sesco to address that.

956
00:52:51,747 --> 00:52:53,347
Speaker 17: Look at the defense, Leonard.

957
00:52:53,187 --> 00:52:57,147
Speaker 16: Rro Mattes, the Lakes, Luke Shaw, Harry Maguire all very

958
00:52:57,147 --> 00:52:59,947
Speaker 16: talent defenders. Even though wingbacks you've got options there, but

959
00:52:59,987 --> 00:53:02,227
Speaker 16: in that midfield it is a little bit problemaic.

960
00:53:02,787 --> 00:53:03,987
Speaker 3: I don't want to get too much to the EYD,

961
00:53:04,027 --> 00:53:05,267
Speaker 3: but I did see a third of this week. I'm

962
00:53:05,307 --> 00:53:06,987
Speaker 3: sure you saw it too. Pull goals might have bought

963
00:53:06,987 --> 00:53:10,027
Speaker 3: Appy actually if him Roy Kane, Ronaldo, Wayne Rudy, Ryan

964
00:53:10,067 --> 00:53:13,267
Speaker 3: Giggs in Rio third on end watching a penalty shoot.

965
00:53:13,307 --> 00:53:15,347
Speaker 3: Yet do you yearn for those days?

966
00:53:16,667 --> 00:53:17,147
Speaker 17: Do you know what?

967
00:53:17,267 --> 00:53:17,427
Speaker 5: Right?

968
00:53:17,467 --> 00:53:19,267
Speaker 17: I always have an issue with that, folks. I remember

969
00:53:19,307 --> 00:53:19,627
Speaker 17: that day.

970
00:53:19,627 --> 00:53:22,027
Speaker 16: It was the two thousand and five f A Cup

971
00:53:22,067 --> 00:53:24,587
Speaker 16: final where we lost those penalties to Arsenal. So that

972
00:53:24,707 --> 00:53:26,787
Speaker 16: just brings back that memory for me. So everyone uses

973
00:53:26,827 --> 00:53:30,547
Speaker 16: that picture as nostalgia and this just makes me angry

974
00:53:30,587 --> 00:53:33,307
Speaker 16: because I remember we batted Arsenal that day and then

975
00:53:33,347 --> 00:53:34,907
Speaker 16: we missed it. I think the schools he missed his

976
00:53:34,947 --> 00:53:37,347
Speaker 16: penalty and yeah, we ended up losing the FA Cup finals.

977
00:53:37,387 --> 00:53:38,707
Speaker 17: So look, I get it.

978
00:53:39,107 --> 00:53:41,467
Speaker 16: There's just a host of legendary players on that picture.

979
00:53:41,707 --> 00:53:44,427
Speaker 16: I do miss those those players. I do miss those times,

980
00:53:44,587 --> 00:53:46,387
Speaker 16: and I do look it and think we are a

981
00:53:46,387 --> 00:53:47,347
Speaker 16: long way away from it.

982
00:53:47,547 --> 00:53:49,067
Speaker 17: But we've been here before.

983
00:53:49,347 --> 00:53:51,267
Speaker 16: Manchester United have been through more than most clubs, and

984
00:53:51,267 --> 00:53:53,827
Speaker 16: we always surprise people. We always bounce back. It's going

985
00:53:53,867 --> 00:53:55,227
Speaker 16: to take a little while. I'm hoping that in he

986
00:53:55,267 --> 00:53:57,027
Speaker 16: us get it right and they have this planning place.

987
00:53:57,227 --> 00:53:59,667
Speaker 16: I think some of the more recent signings have been better.

988
00:54:00,067 --> 00:54:01,867
Speaker 16: Not all been perfect by any stretch, but you can

989
00:54:01,867 --> 00:54:03,827
Speaker 16: see what they're trying to do. So yeah, we've just

990
00:54:03,827 --> 00:54:06,427
Speaker 16: got to have a little bit of faith and I

991
00:54:06,427 --> 00:54:08,307
Speaker 16: hope that Manchester United can get back to where we

992
00:54:08,387 --> 00:54:10,267
Speaker 16: belong because the club the size of mans United, with

993
00:54:10,307 --> 00:54:13,027
Speaker 16: the history that you've mentioned, we should be challenging for

994
00:54:13,587 --> 00:54:15,587
Speaker 16: Premier League titles and back in the Champions League and

995
00:54:15,667 --> 00:54:18,227
Speaker 16: challenging for that. Not you know, relieve that we've got

996
00:54:18,227 --> 00:54:21,627
Speaker 16: a night seventh minute against ninety seventh minute winner against

997
00:54:21,627 --> 00:54:24,387
Speaker 16: Burnley to give us our first Premier League winning the season.

998
00:54:24,107 --> 00:54:25,787
Speaker 3: All right, just to finish the joy. What is a

999
00:54:25,907 --> 00:54:30,627
Speaker 3: SETUS Factory Premier League season for Manchester United. This season,

1000
00:54:31,787 --> 00:54:32,267
Speaker 3: I think.

1001
00:54:32,067 --> 00:54:35,707
Speaker 16: With all things considered, I think getting into Europe would

1002
00:54:35,707 --> 00:54:36,587
Speaker 16: be a success.

1003
00:54:37,307 --> 00:54:39,227
Speaker 17: And I know, as a United fan who's.

1004
00:54:38,987 --> 00:54:41,987
Speaker 16: Seen a lot of Gloria over the years, that is

1005
00:54:42,027 --> 00:54:45,547
Speaker 16: a bit, you know, bit sort of almost negative and

1006
00:54:45,587 --> 00:54:46,307
Speaker 16: a bit too bit.

1007
00:54:46,427 --> 00:54:48,867
Speaker 17: But we have to remember where we were last season.

1008
00:54:48,867 --> 00:54:49,667
Speaker 17: We finished fifteenth.

1009
00:54:49,787 --> 00:54:52,267
Speaker 16: This season we've still got a new new signings trying

1010
00:54:52,267 --> 00:54:53,107
Speaker 16: to ingratiate themselves.

1011
00:54:53,107 --> 00:54:54,187
Speaker 17: I'm not saying they're not good players.

1012
00:54:54,187 --> 00:54:55,827
Speaker 16: They are, and I think you look at other teams

1013
00:54:55,867 --> 00:54:58,787
Speaker 16: that are above and around us, they've all improved as well.

1014
00:54:58,987 --> 00:55:01,507
Speaker 16: So I just think get back into Europe, whether that's

1015
00:55:01,547 --> 00:55:04,747
Speaker 16: the Europa League. Hopefully I'd rather the Champions League, but

1016
00:55:04,787 --> 00:55:06,067
Speaker 16: it might not be that, but that is a bare

1017
00:55:06,547 --> 00:55:08,627
Speaker 16: for me. Gat Monchester buck into Europe and then you

1018
00:55:08,627 --> 00:55:09,667
Speaker 16: can build on that from there.

1019
00:55:10,347 --> 00:55:12,627
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for your time across New Zealand today, Jay,

1020
00:55:12,747 --> 00:55:15,347
Speaker 3: enjoy this win and the international break and we'll catch

1021
00:55:15,387 --> 00:55:15,987
Speaker 3: up again soon.

1022
00:55:16,307 --> 00:55:17,667
Speaker 17: Seek thanks for chaining for us.

1023
00:55:17,707 --> 00:55:20,027
Speaker 3: No, thanks for joining us. JJ Motty, co host of

1024
00:55:20,107 --> 00:55:25,147
Speaker 3: Stretford Paddock and online Manchester United Fan Channel. All Right,

1025
00:55:25,227 --> 00:55:28,627
Speaker 3: man United fans, I know you're out there. I know

1026
00:55:28,787 --> 00:55:31,467
Speaker 3: you are. I've seen your Riplica shirts, not as many

1027
00:55:31,507 --> 00:55:35,027
Speaker 3: at the moment, but still I've seen you online. A

1028
00:55:35,227 --> 00:55:38,867
Speaker 3: very rare opportunity to chat about your side now I

1029
00:55:38,947 --> 00:55:43,627
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. My predecessor, Martin Devlin, used

1030
00:55:43,627 --> 00:55:47,907
Speaker 3: to talk about United all the time, mad passionate Manchester

1031
00:55:48,027 --> 00:55:51,307
Speaker 3: United fan and he used to take us all on

1032
00:55:51,347 --> 00:55:53,867
Speaker 3: a roller coaster of his own emotions around this football team.

1033
00:55:53,987 --> 00:55:56,347
Speaker 3: Me less, so I'm not a United fan, but here's

1034
00:55:56,347 --> 00:56:00,907
Speaker 3: your chance show yourselves. I've eight hundred eighty ten eighty

1035
00:56:01,547 --> 00:56:04,147
Speaker 3: if you'd like to comment on where your side is

1036
00:56:04,227 --> 00:56:08,067
Speaker 3: right now and how difficult it's been to be a

1037
00:56:08,107 --> 00:56:10,987
Speaker 3: supporter of a team that on Wednesday was it Wednesday Thursday?

1038
00:56:10,987 --> 00:56:16,867
Speaker 3: Mid week anyway, lost to Grimsby Town, a fourth tier

1039
00:56:16,947 --> 00:56:21,347
Speaker 3: team whose goalkeeper is actually a Manchester United fan, and

1040
00:56:21,387 --> 00:56:23,947
Speaker 3: he was one of the heroes of a penalty shootout

1041
00:56:24,387 --> 00:56:26,507
Speaker 3: and said afterwards he's a little bit gutted because he's

1042
00:56:26,507 --> 00:56:28,987
Speaker 3: a United fan and he's just knocked them out of

1043
00:56:28,987 --> 00:56:32,827
Speaker 3: the League Cup. And if you don't support Manchester United,

1044
00:56:34,547 --> 00:56:39,667
Speaker 3: why are they the team Everyone else seems to absolutely

1045
00:56:39,707 --> 00:56:43,867
Speaker 3: delight in the failures of Is it just because they

1046
00:56:43,907 --> 00:56:48,587
Speaker 3: have historically been so successful in the era of Sir

1047
00:56:48,627 --> 00:56:52,627
Speaker 3: Alex Ferguson, from sort of that late eighties into the

1048
00:56:52,707 --> 00:56:55,267
Speaker 3: nineties and the start of the Premier League and right

1049
00:56:55,267 --> 00:56:57,267
Speaker 3: the way through the nineties and two thousands and even

1050
00:56:57,267 --> 00:57:00,387
Speaker 3: beyond that they were so successful. Is that the reason

1051
00:57:00,467 --> 00:57:06,267
Speaker 3: why we seem to luxuriate in these times where things

1052
00:57:06,427 --> 00:57:09,107
Speaker 3: are not going well for them at all. Fifteenth in

1053
00:57:09,147 --> 00:57:10,907
Speaker 3: the Premier League last season. Never he thought they were

1054
00:57:10,907 --> 00:57:14,587
Speaker 3: going to get relegated, but certainly a million miles away

1055
00:57:14,627 --> 00:57:18,707
Speaker 3: from the heights they used to scale, both domestically and

1056
00:57:18,867 --> 00:57:21,547
Speaker 3: in Europe as well. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,

1057
00:57:21,627 --> 00:57:24,627
Speaker 3: if you want to chat about that. I've had a

1058
00:57:24,707 --> 00:57:28,707
Speaker 3: question about the first fifteen rugby Final which has been

1059
00:57:28,707 --> 00:57:30,827
Speaker 3: played right now actually between the lot to do a

1060
00:57:30,867 --> 00:57:35,467
Speaker 3: boys high and fielding high. So we'll try and get

1061
00:57:35,467 --> 00:57:40,147
Speaker 3: you some score updates from there. The last time I checked,

1062
00:57:40,147 --> 00:57:42,947
Speaker 3: actually it was fifteen to seven to rot to Do

1063
00:57:43,107 --> 00:57:49,107
Speaker 3: after thirty minutes, so that was about ten minutes ago.

1064
00:57:49,147 --> 00:57:50,467
Speaker 3: So I think they've just gone to half time. In

1065
00:57:50,507 --> 00:57:52,307
Speaker 3: fact they have. I'm just looking at the live stream

1066
00:57:52,507 --> 00:57:55,507
Speaker 3: and they've gone to halftime, so I'll give you a

1067
00:57:55,547 --> 00:58:00,387
Speaker 3: halftime score when and if I have it. Also, we've

1068
00:58:00,387 --> 00:58:04,907
Speaker 3: got live rugby this afternoon from Pottydoor Park from Jerry

1069
00:58:04,947 --> 00:58:09,187
Speaker 3: Collins Stadium where it's Wellington up against Auckland. Full commentary

1070
00:58:09,187 --> 00:58:12,707
Speaker 3: that on gold Sport and iHeartRadio, Ross Bond and Matt Park.

1071
00:58:12,787 --> 00:58:15,307
Speaker 3: What a pair if you want to flick across. If

1072
00:58:15,347 --> 00:58:18,667
Speaker 3: you don't or you know, not because of them, but

1073
00:58:18,707 --> 00:58:20,987
Speaker 3: if you'd rather stay with us, we'll update you after

1074
00:58:21,507 --> 00:58:25,947
Speaker 3: two for the first half anyway. Colin, Hi, mate, Hey,

1075
00:58:26,107 --> 00:58:27,267
Speaker 3: going well.

1076
00:58:28,067 --> 00:58:31,627
Speaker 7: I watched this morning's game and I'm like die heart

1077
00:58:31,707 --> 00:58:36,547
Speaker 7: United supporter and it's been real frustrating for the last

1078
00:58:36,627 --> 00:58:39,547
Speaker 7: two to three years the ways they've gone adult it.

1079
00:58:40,027 --> 00:58:44,387
Speaker 7: I feel that they've thought badly. At the moment, we're

1080
00:58:44,507 --> 00:58:48,507
Speaker 7: suffering because we don't have a structure that they can

1081
00:58:48,547 --> 00:58:53,027
Speaker 7: stick to. He seems to change the side. Then when

1082
00:58:53,027 --> 00:58:57,667
Speaker 7: he wants to this morning's game, the goal keeper yet

1083
00:58:57,667 --> 00:59:00,827
Speaker 7: again cost us nearly.

1084
00:59:01,747 --> 00:59:03,427
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, you're right, you know you're right. I

1085
00:59:03,427 --> 00:59:05,587
Speaker 3: mean you got the one at the end, Colin, But yeah,

1086
00:59:05,587 --> 00:59:08,667
Speaker 3: that was an issue midweek as well, wasn't it. In

1087
00:59:08,667 --> 00:59:10,827
Speaker 3: the league cap Another one today. To be fair, he

1088
00:59:10,867 --> 00:59:13,227
Speaker 3: made the save, but it was parried into the path

1089
00:59:13,267 --> 00:59:15,787
Speaker 3: of an on rushing striker who made it too too.

1090
00:59:17,707 --> 00:59:20,747
Speaker 7: It was so hard, you know. After Sir Alex Ferguson

1091
00:59:20,867 --> 00:59:24,307
Speaker 7: was in charge, I worked with a guy. He supports

1092
00:59:24,387 --> 00:59:31,547
Speaker 7: Liverpool and he's anti United and City. He's he's all.

1093
00:59:31,667 --> 00:59:34,907
Speaker 7: He focuses on his team, and I think out there

1094
00:59:34,987 --> 00:59:39,307
Speaker 7: people are pleased to see United failing at the moment.

1095
00:59:41,587 --> 00:59:42,427
Speaker 18: Will get direct.

1096
00:59:42,867 --> 00:59:45,867
Speaker 7: I'll never walk away from them, but as a supporter,

1097
00:59:46,427 --> 00:59:49,907
Speaker 7: it is so frustrating at the malment. They can play

1098
00:59:49,987 --> 00:59:54,787
Speaker 7: some nights football sometimes, but there are other times we

1099
00:59:55,027 --> 00:59:57,787
Speaker 7: just we just don't deserve to be there.

1100
00:59:57,827 --> 01:00:00,827
Speaker 3: I don't think how did you become a United fan, Colin,

1101
01:00:00,867 --> 01:00:01,947
Speaker 3: How did they become your team?

1102
01:00:02,867 --> 01:00:03,147
Speaker 2: Well?

1103
01:00:05,027 --> 01:00:08,587
Speaker 7: You know me, Georgie bas with plan for them.

1104
01:00:09,187 --> 01:00:09,427
Speaker 3: Yep.

1105
01:00:09,747 --> 01:00:14,187
Speaker 7: My late father and some of the boys from the

1106
01:00:14,187 --> 01:00:19,867
Speaker 7: Lock soccer club. They went up to walk them to

1107
01:00:19,947 --> 01:00:24,787
Speaker 7: watch the night of play and that name always.

1108
01:00:24,387 --> 01:00:25,067
Speaker 2: Stuck with me.

1109
01:00:26,907 --> 01:00:30,107
Speaker 7: And yeah, as I say I watched them, that goes

1110
01:00:30,147 --> 01:00:32,867
Speaker 7: on my brother's place and I'm nearly screwing the roof

1111
01:00:32,987 --> 01:00:38,507
Speaker 7: down sometimes, but yeah, I just loved them. I really

1112
01:00:38,627 --> 01:00:39,147
Speaker 7: really do.

1113
01:00:40,267 --> 01:00:42,547
Speaker 3: Good on you, Colin, and you're right not to walk away.

1114
01:00:43,107 --> 01:00:44,827
Speaker 3: You're right not to walk away from them. That's what

1115
01:00:44,987 --> 01:00:48,507
Speaker 3: fandom is. Goodness only knows how many times I've said

1116
01:00:48,547 --> 01:00:53,107
Speaker 3: this on the show. Fandom's a roller coaster. You're not

1117
01:00:53,147 --> 01:00:56,267
Speaker 3: allowed to get off it. Once you nail your colors

1118
01:00:56,267 --> 01:01:00,787
Speaker 3: to the mast, you are stuck with your team through

1119
01:01:00,907 --> 01:01:04,227
Speaker 3: thick and thin, and sometimes there's an awful lot of thin.

1120
01:01:04,787 --> 01:01:08,387
Speaker 3: Manchester United fans like you, Colind had some wonderful years,

1121
01:01:09,347 --> 01:01:12,507
Speaker 3: just as Liverpool fans did in the eighties and into

1122
01:01:12,547 --> 01:01:15,147
Speaker 3: the nineties, and then there was a long barren spell.

1123
01:01:15,427 --> 01:01:18,147
Speaker 3: But you can't jump off. You can't be a fair

1124
01:01:18,147 --> 01:01:20,067
Speaker 3: weather fan. Well you can, but you're not a real fan.

1125
01:01:21,347 --> 01:01:24,587
Speaker 3: You're not a real fan. Good to chat to you, Colin.

1126
01:01:24,667 --> 01:01:26,627
Speaker 3: You you talked about Manchester United coming to New Zealand. I

1127
01:01:26,667 --> 01:01:29,867
Speaker 3: think it was in the late sixties, nineteen sixty seven.

1128
01:01:30,667 --> 01:01:33,347
Speaker 3: I think they came to New Zealand and Georgie Best

1129
01:01:33,347 --> 01:01:35,107
Speaker 3: would have been in the team. Then. What a player,

1130
01:01:35,787 --> 01:01:40,547
Speaker 3: what a player he was, unbelievable. One twenty seven. Let's

1131
01:01:40,547 --> 01:01:42,547
Speaker 3: take a bight come back and talk some domestic football

1132
01:01:42,947 --> 01:01:45,227
Speaker 3: of sorts. Steve Crickett coach of Auckland FC.

1133
01:01:45,347 --> 01:01:50,107
Speaker 1: After this the big issues on and after fields call,

1134
01:01:50,267 --> 01:01:53,667
Speaker 1: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason.

1135
01:01:53,347 --> 01:01:54,427
Speaker 2: Fine and GJ.

1136
01:01:54,547 --> 01:01:57,307
Speaker 1: Gunnerhomes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder.

1137
01:01:57,467 --> 01:01:58,907
Speaker 2: News talks to Baby.

1138
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Speaker 3: One p thirty Steve Criker shortly Kevin Man you fan, Hello, mate.

1139
01:02:04,347 --> 01:02:05,347
Speaker 10: How are ye?

1140
01:02:07,467 --> 01:02:07,667
Speaker 12: Yeah?

1141
01:02:07,707 --> 01:02:10,907
Speaker 19: A long times ago to at that little station in Marsden.

1142
01:02:11,707 --> 01:02:15,027
Speaker 3: I remember it well, Kevin. Some of my fondest radio

1143
01:02:15,107 --> 01:02:17,987
Speaker 3: days were the early ones, working on a Saturday afternoon

1144
01:02:18,027 --> 01:02:18,307
Speaker 3: with you.

1145
01:02:18,267 --> 01:02:21,467
Speaker 19: Out in the field, mate, absolutely, and I think we

1146
01:02:21,507 --> 01:02:23,347
Speaker 19: did that Christmas song. I think you took the lead

1147
01:02:23,427 --> 01:02:24,307
Speaker 19: in one of those verses.

1148
01:02:24,347 --> 01:02:25,027
Speaker 11: I think it's.

1149
01:02:24,947 --> 01:02:29,267
Speaker 3: Amazing that a best seller, A best selling, no doubt.

1150
01:02:30,267 --> 01:02:31,427
Speaker 19: I think they only played it once.

1151
01:02:31,707 --> 01:02:33,867
Speaker 10: Yeah, they.

1152
01:02:34,787 --> 01:02:37,387
Speaker 19: I went to talking about ninety sixty seven. I didn't

1153
01:02:37,387 --> 01:02:39,307
Speaker 19: go to the game, but a couple of guys I've

1154
01:02:39,347 --> 01:02:41,867
Speaker 19: spoken to actually played on that game against MANU was

1155
01:02:41,907 --> 01:02:45,507
Speaker 19: actually New Zealand and the minty moment was a guy

1156
01:02:45,667 --> 01:02:48,027
Speaker 19: called Arthur Browd and Manchester.

1157
01:02:48,107 --> 01:02:50,187
Speaker 20: I had kicked off and he hadn't taken.

1158
01:02:49,907 --> 01:02:51,387
Speaker 10: A shirt off anyway.

1159
01:02:51,627 --> 01:02:54,747
Speaker 19: Bobby Charleston looked at and the first goal was scored

1160
01:02:56,427 --> 01:02:59,187
Speaker 19: Stroud shirt over a little bit to pick the ball

1161
01:02:59,227 --> 01:03:00,747
Speaker 19: up at the back of the dead so I think

1162
01:03:00,747 --> 01:03:02,907
Speaker 19: it was about ten mil at the end and anyway,

1163
01:03:02,947 --> 01:03:06,787
Speaker 19: but yeah, Georgie Best played that day and what wonderful occasion.

1164
01:03:06,787 --> 01:03:08,667
Speaker 19: I'm told that the two guys who actually witnessed it,

1165
01:03:08,747 --> 01:03:10,867
Speaker 19: but and he was, They were so noble after the

1166
01:03:10,867 --> 01:03:12,987
Speaker 19: game too, you know, it glows about the fact they've

1167
01:03:12,987 --> 01:03:16,547
Speaker 19: beaten Zealand. But they were lovely guys, you know, Nobbie

1168
01:03:16,547 --> 01:03:20,987
Speaker 19: Styles and Bobby Chelton and Jack Charlton of course and

1169
01:03:21,387 --> 01:03:25,267
Speaker 19: the great, the great, you know, George Best. Yeah, so yeah,

1170
01:03:25,267 --> 01:03:27,107
Speaker 19: I just want to share that story of your priory.

1171
01:03:26,907 --> 01:03:30,227
Speaker 3: Yet love it, Kevin Good and what names they are, mate, Hey,

1172
01:03:30,387 --> 01:03:32,427
Speaker 3: so good to hear your voice again, Kevin. All the

1173
01:03:32,427 --> 01:03:34,827
Speaker 3: best to you and the family, mate, and those days

1174
01:03:34,867 --> 01:03:38,347
Speaker 3: back in Marsterton in the early nineties will live long

1175
01:03:38,387 --> 01:03:41,307
Speaker 3: with me, mate, Good to chat to you. Semi professional

1176
01:03:41,347 --> 01:03:45,587
Speaker 3: Victorian football club Heidelberg United, meantime, have continued their remarkable

1177
01:03:45,707 --> 01:03:48,467
Speaker 3: giant killing run, making the Australia Cup Final, this time

1178
01:03:48,507 --> 01:03:51,827
Speaker 3: beating Auckland FC two nil for a third straight win

1179
01:03:51,907 --> 01:03:53,747
Speaker 3: over a leagu opposition. They took the lead in the

1180
01:03:53,747 --> 01:03:56,307
Speaker 3: seventy fifth and then scored a second in the eighty

1181
01:03:56,387 --> 01:03:59,467
Speaker 3: fourth minute to claim it to nil victory. Auckland FC

1182
01:03:59,667 --> 01:04:02,507
Speaker 3: coach Steve Criker is with us from the airport about

1183
01:04:02,507 --> 01:04:05,027
Speaker 3: to fly out. Not your night, Steve, How do you

1184
01:04:05,067 --> 01:04:08,747
Speaker 3: reflect on the game last night? Yeah, not our night.

1185
01:04:08,827 --> 01:04:11,867
Speaker 21: In in the two boxes, I think we we couldn't

1186
01:04:11,867 --> 01:04:14,867
Speaker 21: break them down, and obviously we made a couple of

1187
01:04:14,987 --> 01:04:16,467
Speaker 21: errors that cost goals.

1188
01:04:16,547 --> 01:04:17,627
Speaker 5: So I think.

1189
01:04:17,787 --> 01:04:21,427
Speaker 21: General play throughout the ninety minutes we will Obviously we dominated.

1190
01:04:21,467 --> 01:04:24,627
Speaker 21: We we had most of the ball, We had our

1191
01:04:24,707 --> 01:04:28,547
Speaker 21: chances as well to take the lead, and we didn't

1192
01:04:28,587 --> 01:04:30,587
Speaker 21: capitalize on our opportunities.

1193
01:04:31,107 --> 01:04:34,147
Speaker 3: Are they easy fixers? The certainly, the attacking end. Is

1194
01:04:34,147 --> 01:04:36,907
Speaker 3: that something that's relatively straightforward to work on.

1195
01:04:38,227 --> 01:04:42,267
Speaker 21: Yeah, of course, you know, some days it goes in,

1196
01:04:42,307 --> 01:04:46,627
Speaker 21: some days it doesn't. You know, we created the chances defensively. Obviously,

1197
01:04:46,707 --> 01:04:50,747
Speaker 21: a couple of errors individual players, you know, they can

1198
01:04:50,827 --> 01:04:54,187
Speaker 21: be fixed. So obviously we've got a fair bit of

1199
01:04:54,187 --> 01:04:56,227
Speaker 21: work to do before the start of the season. Still,

1200
01:04:56,227 --> 01:04:59,067
Speaker 21: there's still plenty of time new players coming in and

1201
01:04:59,147 --> 01:05:02,107
Speaker 21: adapting to the to the new style of play and.

1202
01:05:03,267 --> 01:05:04,547
Speaker 5: What we expect as well.

1203
01:05:05,867 --> 01:05:09,267
Speaker 21: But overall, obviously a disappointing night to to not have

1204
01:05:09,307 --> 01:05:11,507
Speaker 21: gone through into a into a final was it was,

1205
01:05:11,827 --> 01:05:15,467
Speaker 21: you know, and then you know we respected them. They've

1206
01:05:16,067 --> 01:05:19,907
Speaker 21: obviously beat two other A League teams before before us

1207
01:05:19,947 --> 01:05:23,267
Speaker 21: and we knew what was ahead and yeah, we couldn't

1208
01:05:23,267 --> 01:05:23,947
Speaker 21: get the job done.

1209
01:05:24,427 --> 01:05:26,907
Speaker 3: How do they compare Heidelberg to some of the sides

1210
01:05:26,947 --> 01:05:28,547
Speaker 3: you play in the A League?

1211
01:05:30,467 --> 01:05:33,227
Speaker 21: To be fair, they're a very disciplined team. The defensively

1212
01:05:33,347 --> 01:05:35,467
Speaker 21: very strong. They're a big, big team as well, big

1213
01:05:35,507 --> 01:05:39,307
Speaker 21: strong team at the back, and you know that you

1214
01:05:39,307 --> 01:05:42,067
Speaker 21: can see them working very very well as a team.

1215
01:05:42,187 --> 01:05:44,947
Speaker 21: So you know, they haven't considered a goal in the

1216
01:05:44,987 --> 01:05:47,587
Speaker 21: cup and that's the big part of the reason why

1217
01:05:47,587 --> 01:05:50,827
Speaker 21: they've they've gone through. Similar probably similar our game to

1218
01:05:50,907 --> 01:05:54,347
Speaker 21: the Wanderers game. You know, the Wanderers had a lot

1219
01:05:54,347 --> 01:05:56,627
Speaker 21: of the ball and couldn't break them down and get

1220
01:05:56,747 --> 01:05:59,227
Speaker 21: and got caught on the counter and and that's similar

1221
01:05:59,227 --> 01:06:00,587
Speaker 21: to what happened last night.

1222
01:06:01,307 --> 01:06:04,027
Speaker 3: Goalkeeper Michael Vaud probably thinks he might have done better

1223
01:06:04,067 --> 01:06:05,507
Speaker 3: with one or both of the goals. Do you have

1224
01:06:05,507 --> 01:06:07,267
Speaker 3: to get around him today?

1225
01:06:08,827 --> 01:06:10,827
Speaker 21: Well, I'm flying to Sydney today, so I won't be

1226
01:06:10,867 --> 01:06:14,707
Speaker 21: getting around him. So yeah, I think he'd be probably disappointed.

1227
01:06:15,227 --> 01:06:17,147
Speaker 21: Yeah he's not the only one that made mistakes for

1228
01:06:17,187 --> 01:06:20,867
Speaker 21: the goal, but yeah, obviously he'd be disappointed in in

1229
01:06:20,947 --> 01:06:22,667
Speaker 21: definitely the first goal, I think so.

1230
01:06:24,187 --> 01:06:25,867
Speaker 5: But again, you know this, this happens.

1231
01:06:25,907 --> 01:06:28,147
Speaker 21: We make mistakes and it's it's how he learns from

1232
01:06:28,187 --> 01:06:30,507
Speaker 21: it and how he goes in the next games after that.

1233
01:06:30,987 --> 01:06:33,467
Speaker 3: You brought Olie Sail to the club obviously as well.

1234
01:06:33,587 --> 01:06:36,507
Speaker 3: Is that a very much a live conversation around who

1235
01:06:36,587 --> 01:06:39,307
Speaker 3: will start for you when the A League season begins.

1236
01:06:40,827 --> 01:06:43,707
Speaker 21: Well, obviously we've got two very good goalkeepers. We did

1237
01:06:43,827 --> 01:06:46,507
Speaker 21: we did last year as well. Alex had a wonderful

1238
01:06:46,587 --> 01:06:48,947
Speaker 21: year and Doris has gone on now to I think

1239
01:06:48,947 --> 01:06:50,187
Speaker 21: he's sign in Poland, so.

1240
01:06:51,787 --> 01:06:53,427
Speaker 5: And yees this year is no different.

1241
01:06:53,427 --> 01:06:57,747
Speaker 21: We brought Olie in. Obviously, Michael's got first choice at

1242
01:06:57,747 --> 01:07:00,587
Speaker 21: the moment, and you know, obviously he's he's got to

1243
01:07:00,667 --> 01:07:04,427
Speaker 21: keep playing well and obviously the mistake last night probably

1244
01:07:04,427 --> 01:07:10,987
Speaker 21: didn't help him, but you know.

1245
01:07:08,227 --> 01:07:09,267
Speaker 17: You know, it's only one mistake.

1246
01:07:09,307 --> 01:07:11,347
Speaker 21: He's played really well in the first couple of games

1247
01:07:11,387 --> 01:07:15,867
Speaker 21: as well and kept clean sheets. Yeah, he'll continue in goals,

1248
01:07:15,907 --> 01:07:18,507
Speaker 21: but Olie's obviously they're just in case.

1249
01:07:19,147 --> 01:07:21,267
Speaker 3: You've integrated a couple of outfield players and your side

1250
01:07:21,267 --> 01:07:24,027
Speaker 3: as well. You alluded to it before English striker Sam

1251
01:07:24,067 --> 01:07:27,827
Speaker 3: Cosgrove's come in Australian lockey Brook. How they fitted into

1252
01:07:27,907 --> 01:07:29,107
Speaker 3: your environment early.

1253
01:07:28,907 --> 01:07:33,107
Speaker 21: On really good. I think the players have made them

1254
01:07:33,107 --> 01:07:36,107
Speaker 21: feel really welcome. They've fitted in really well. Obviously Sam's

1255
01:07:36,147 --> 01:07:37,867
Speaker 21: only been here two weeks and he's been away for

1256
01:07:38,027 --> 01:07:42,467
Speaker 21: one of them, so it's yeah, so he hasn't seen

1257
01:07:42,467 --> 01:07:45,667
Speaker 21: too much of Auckland, but Locke's fitted in really well

1258
01:07:45,707 --> 01:07:48,107
Speaker 21: as well. I think one of the chances came from

1259
01:07:48,147 --> 01:07:48,587
Speaker 21: both of them.

1260
01:07:48,667 --> 01:07:49,107
Speaker 3: Last night.

1261
01:07:49,147 --> 01:07:51,427
Speaker 21: Lockey Brook played a nice little bought through for Sam

1262
01:07:51,467 --> 01:07:54,147
Speaker 21: and Sam probably should have scored, I think so, and

1263
01:07:54,187 --> 01:07:57,027
Speaker 21: they probably would have got us one nill up. And

1264
01:07:57,107 --> 01:07:59,707
Speaker 21: you know that's how you know the games. Games can

1265
01:07:59,907 --> 01:08:02,987
Speaker 21: change like that, you know that. But yeah, obviously we

1266
01:08:02,987 --> 01:08:04,947
Speaker 21: didn't take our chances when they came.

1267
01:08:05,627 --> 01:08:09,867
Speaker 3: Your preseason program was affected quite considerably by the rescheduling

1268
01:08:09,907 --> 01:08:12,627
Speaker 3: of this game. It was brought forward by two weeks,

1269
01:08:12,667 --> 01:08:15,107
Speaker 3: reportedly because Heidelwerg had booked an end of season trip

1270
01:08:15,107 --> 01:08:19,147
Speaker 3: to Vegas. How disruptive has this been for Auckland FC.

1271
01:08:21,307 --> 01:08:22,787
Speaker 5: Yeah, obviously it's not ideal.

1272
01:08:23,707 --> 01:08:25,427
Speaker 21: We made it very clear we didn't want to play

1273
01:08:25,427 --> 01:08:28,507
Speaker 21: the game this weekend because it's supposed to be into

1274
01:08:28,547 --> 01:08:32,867
Speaker 21: another two weeks time. So you know, I've said it before,

1275
01:08:32,907 --> 01:08:35,987
Speaker 21: it's poor planning from the FA. You know, I think

1276
01:08:36,027 --> 01:08:37,827
Speaker 21: you can change the game for two or three days,

1277
01:08:37,827 --> 01:08:40,467
Speaker 21: but if you're talking about three weeks or two weeks away,

1278
01:08:41,587 --> 01:08:44,587
Speaker 21: it's not ideal for us, especially we've already sanctioned the

1279
01:08:44,627 --> 01:08:48,227
Speaker 21: game against the wanders They knew that. Obviously it didn't

1280
01:08:48,227 --> 01:08:50,947
Speaker 21: matter to them. They want to just make sure that

1281
01:08:51,067 --> 01:08:53,307
Speaker 21: we played it on that weekend, so we had no

1282
01:08:53,387 --> 01:08:57,387
Speaker 21: other choice. But obviously it was an ideal. We stayed

1283
01:08:57,387 --> 01:09:00,387
Speaker 21: in Sydney the whole week. We didn't get to play

1284
01:09:00,427 --> 01:09:03,667
Speaker 21: Wanderers either, so obviously they were not very happy with

1285
01:09:03,747 --> 01:09:08,187
Speaker 21: us as well. And then you know, obviously we stayed

1286
01:09:08,187 --> 01:09:11,507
Speaker 21: and we lost, so it's probably been a It hasn't

1287
01:09:11,547 --> 01:09:12,467
Speaker 21: been the best of weeks.

1288
01:09:12,627 --> 01:09:14,467
Speaker 3: Western Sydney can't be annoyed with you can.

1289
01:09:14,547 --> 01:09:17,387
Speaker 17: It's not your decision, Yeah, of course not.

1290
01:09:17,427 --> 01:09:19,347
Speaker 21: It's not our it's not our decision. I think after

1291
01:09:19,427 --> 01:09:24,227
Speaker 21: Terry explained it too. I think they understood so, but

1292
01:09:24,787 --> 01:09:27,947
Speaker 21: you know, that's you know, we we try as a

1293
01:09:27,987 --> 01:09:30,827
Speaker 21: professional club to plan in our pre season. It's obviously

1294
01:09:30,827 --> 01:09:33,427
Speaker 21: difficult for us as well, being in Auckland. We to

1295
01:09:33,867 --> 01:09:37,507
Speaker 21: go to Australia. It's costly as well, so we try

1296
01:09:37,547 --> 01:09:39,987
Speaker 21: to try to make the most of it with obviously

1297
01:09:40,067 --> 01:09:42,307
Speaker 21: the Sydney games and then follow it up by a

1298
01:09:42,387 --> 01:09:46,027
Speaker 21: wondrous game. But yeah, it obviously didn't work out that way.

1299
01:09:46,107 --> 01:09:48,787
Speaker 21: And now you know pre season, you know, there's no

1300
01:09:48,907 --> 01:09:51,547
Speaker 21: Cup games for us anymore, so we have to obviously

1301
01:09:51,547 --> 01:09:54,547
Speaker 21: start planning some other other games that we can we

1302
01:09:54,587 --> 01:09:57,227
Speaker 21: can sort of get now until the start of the season.

1303
01:09:57,627 --> 01:10:02,507
Speaker 3: Yeah, well September tomorrow. Season starts in mid October, so ideally, Steve,

1304
01:10:02,547 --> 01:10:04,147
Speaker 3: what will the next sux or seven weeks look like

1305
01:10:04,187 --> 01:10:06,347
Speaker 3: for Auckland FC before the season starts.

1306
01:10:07,627 --> 01:10:10,987
Speaker 21: Well, the boys get a deserved five five days break

1307
01:10:11,547 --> 01:10:14,947
Speaker 21: which they were supposed to get last week, so hopefully

1308
01:10:14,947 --> 01:10:16,667
Speaker 21: they come back fresh and ready to go again for

1309
01:10:16,707 --> 01:10:20,547
Speaker 21: pre season and you know, we'll play obviously some local

1310
01:10:20,587 --> 01:10:26,027
Speaker 21: teams and then yeah, obviously if we can get to Sydney,

1311
01:10:26,307 --> 01:10:28,027
Speaker 21: it would be it would be good as well to

1312
01:10:28,827 --> 01:10:31,747
Speaker 21: get a couple of matches against that A league opposition

1313
01:10:31,827 --> 01:10:32,987
Speaker 21: before we start the season.

1314
01:10:33,467 --> 01:10:35,107
Speaker 3: Well, some players don't get a break, do they five

1315
01:10:35,147 --> 01:10:38,027
Speaker 3: all whites and your squad? Will they just go straight

1316
01:10:38,027 --> 01:10:40,227
Speaker 3: to Canberra for Friday's game against Australia.

1317
01:10:40,387 --> 01:10:43,627
Speaker 21: Yeah, yeah, they'll be flying out from from Melbourne to Canberra.

1318
01:10:43,867 --> 01:10:47,107
Speaker 21: So obviously the five four Whites and also Jake Brimmers

1319
01:10:47,107 --> 01:10:50,227
Speaker 21: in the Maltese national team as well, So there's six

1320
01:10:50,267 --> 01:10:53,387
Speaker 21: players that will you know, won't get a break. Maybe

1321
01:10:53,467 --> 01:10:55,067
Speaker 21: they'll get one of one or two days off when

1322
01:10:55,107 --> 01:10:57,147
Speaker 21: they get back, but obviously they won't get the longer

1323
01:10:57,147 --> 01:10:58,587
Speaker 21: break that the boys other boys have.

1324
01:10:59,107 --> 01:11:01,307
Speaker 3: It's a former soccer rue but now boss of Auckland Deaf.

1325
01:11:01,347 --> 01:11:03,707
Speaker 3: So do you cheer four in this upcoming series?

1326
01:11:05,227 --> 01:11:08,387
Speaker 21: Yeah, it's obviously I'm very pleased to have you know,

1327
01:11:08,467 --> 01:11:11,147
Speaker 21: five players in the national team. But I am an Aussie,

1328
01:11:12,307 --> 01:11:15,427
Speaker 21: even though they didn't really treat us that well in

1329
01:11:15,467 --> 01:11:19,867
Speaker 21: this match against Heidelberg. But yeah, you know, I've represented

1330
01:11:19,947 --> 01:11:22,787
Speaker 21: my country and I'm very proud ofsy and you know

1331
01:11:22,867 --> 01:11:26,667
Speaker 21: I will be supporting Australia, but obviously with a keen

1332
01:11:26,707 --> 01:11:28,707
Speaker 21: eye on our boys making sure they do really well

1333
01:11:28,707 --> 01:11:30,267
Speaker 21: if they get opportunities as well, and.

1334
01:11:30,347 --> 01:11:33,227
Speaker 3: Not getting injured, obviously that's the other one. Not get injured.

1335
01:11:33,227 --> 01:11:35,907
Speaker 5: We not getting that's the main thing. Yeah, I said

1336
01:11:35,907 --> 01:11:36,667
Speaker 5: that to him last night.

1337
01:11:36,747 --> 01:11:39,547
Speaker 21: Obviously, have all the best and you know, just come

1338
01:11:39,627 --> 01:11:42,747
Speaker 21: back safe. That's that's my main concern, that these players

1339
01:11:42,907 --> 01:11:45,147
Speaker 21: come back safe and and you know, ready for pre

1340
01:11:45,267 --> 01:11:46,427
Speaker 21: season when we get back.

1341
01:11:46,507 --> 01:11:48,347
Speaker 3: Did you get a bit of verbal from the crowd last.

1342
01:11:48,227 --> 01:11:53,947
Speaker 21: Night, No, I'm talking about the fatcha.

1343
01:11:54,507 --> 01:11:57,467
Speaker 3: Good to know, good to clarify and have you Have

1344
01:11:57,547 --> 01:12:00,867
Speaker 3: you managed to binge watch the entire eight episodes of

1345
01:12:00,907 --> 01:12:02,587
Speaker 3: Forever Auckland FC on Sky.

1346
01:12:03,627 --> 01:12:04,667
Speaker 21: I haven't not yet.

1347
01:12:04,907 --> 01:12:04,987
Speaker 2: No.

1348
01:12:05,307 --> 01:12:07,667
Speaker 21: I think when I get back to Auckland I can

1349
01:12:07,707 --> 01:12:11,147
Speaker 21: do that. My family's loving forward to it. But obviously

1350
01:12:11,147 --> 01:12:12,787
Speaker 21: we can't get in a show at the moment. So

1351
01:12:14,067 --> 01:12:16,187
Speaker 21: we'll see what when they come over on holidays and

1352
01:12:16,227 --> 01:12:17,147
Speaker 21: they can watch it as well.

1353
01:12:17,307 --> 01:12:17,507
Speaker 5: Well.

1354
01:12:17,547 --> 01:12:19,587
Speaker 3: Enjoy it well and break Steve, thanks for joining us,

1355
01:12:19,587 --> 01:12:20,707
Speaker 3: Mate'll see you back in Auckland.

1356
01:12:20,907 --> 01:12:21,467
Speaker 17: Thanks Piney.

1357
01:12:21,547 --> 01:12:23,787
Speaker 3: Cheers man, cheers mate. That is Steve Corricker, coach of

1358
01:12:23,827 --> 01:12:27,267
Speaker 3: Aukland FC. On After this, James mcconey in his regular

1359
01:12:27,307 --> 01:12:28,267
Speaker 3: Sunday Slot.

1360
01:12:28,467 --> 01:12:33,507
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1361
01:12:33,747 --> 01:12:37,347
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1362
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1363
01:12:38,507 --> 01:12:41,227
Speaker 3: One for four and around this time every Sunday afternoon

1364
01:12:41,227 --> 01:12:43,867
Speaker 3: we get the pleasure of the company of James mcconey

1365
01:12:43,987 --> 01:12:46,747
Speaker 3: and today is no different. But if we fast forward

1366
01:12:46,787 --> 01:12:49,587
Speaker 3: a week James and when we're speaking the day after

1367
01:12:50,147 --> 01:12:52,867
Speaker 3: all Black spring Box at Eden Park, what do you

1368
01:12:52,947 --> 01:12:56,867
Speaker 3: expect the conversation to consist of between the two of us?

1369
01:12:57,587 --> 01:12:59,587
Speaker 20: You know what it's going to be, like, Poney, It'll

1370
01:12:59,587 --> 01:13:05,987
Speaker 20: be all around discipline, taking opportunities, kicks the goal, stuff

1371
01:13:06,027 --> 01:13:08,107
Speaker 20: like that, because I think it's just going to be

1372
01:13:08,187 --> 01:13:11,627
Speaker 20: such a titanic struggle. I haven't got a long range

1373
01:13:11,667 --> 01:13:13,707
Speaker 20: forecast for you, but I think that'll have a huge

1374
01:13:13,747 --> 01:13:15,827
Speaker 20: bearing on the game as well. But this is as

1375
01:13:15,867 --> 01:13:18,427
Speaker 20: big as it gets outside of a World Cup indeed.

1376
01:13:18,467 --> 01:13:22,067
Speaker 3: So what do you expect Scott Robertson to do? Selection wise?

1377
01:13:22,187 --> 01:13:23,747
Speaker 3: I think we can say, okay, Wallace the Ted, he

1378
01:13:23,827 --> 01:13:26,347
Speaker 3: comes back into the starting side to Mighty Williams as well.

1379
01:13:26,387 --> 01:13:28,907
Speaker 3: But I'm interested in your thoughts on back three and

1380
01:13:28,947 --> 01:13:30,627
Speaker 3: potentially midfield as well.

1381
01:13:31,427 --> 01:13:35,787
Speaker 20: Yeah, well, back three. I think Caleb Clark should get

1382
01:13:35,787 --> 01:13:37,987
Speaker 20: a chance to play in the back three. I mean,

1383
01:13:38,067 --> 01:13:40,787
Speaker 20: he's an expert under the high ball. He is a

1384
01:13:40,867 --> 01:13:43,907
Speaker 20: really good elite test player. He's had really a difficult

1385
01:13:44,027 --> 01:13:47,507
Speaker 20: year because of you know, that motorcycle court case that

1386
01:13:47,667 --> 01:13:50,867
Speaker 20: just you know, derailed him somewhat, and so I think

1387
01:13:50,947 --> 01:13:54,267
Speaker 20: now he's probably had time to just sort of get

1388
01:13:54,347 --> 01:13:57,667
Speaker 20: himself together and hopefully have a good game this afternoon.

1389
01:13:57,667 --> 01:14:00,227
Speaker 20: I think he is playing, isn't he Piney? Yes, he is,

1390
01:14:00,667 --> 01:14:02,947
Speaker 20: so we've got to watch have keep and eye on him.

1391
01:14:03,307 --> 01:14:04,827
Speaker 20: I think he should play on the left wing. He's

1392
01:14:04,867 --> 01:14:06,347
Speaker 20: got to get good left boot on him as well,

1393
01:14:06,387 --> 01:14:09,667
Speaker 20: old Caleb. But the other thing is maybe at center.

1394
01:14:10,307 --> 01:14:12,347
Speaker 20: Even though I'm a big Billy Proctor fan, I'm sure

1395
01:14:12,387 --> 01:14:14,587
Speaker 20: you are too, is it is it better to be

1396
01:14:14,667 --> 01:14:17,547
Speaker 20: conservative and say riquoe Yowani comes back in a really

1397
01:14:17,587 --> 01:14:21,987
Speaker 20: good defensive center to play in that position for such

1398
01:14:21,987 --> 01:14:22,507
Speaker 20: a big game.

1399
01:14:23,107 --> 01:14:25,147
Speaker 3: I wonder that too. You know I wonder that too,

1400
01:14:25,187 --> 01:14:26,787
Speaker 3: And you're right, I'm a big fan of Billy Procter,

1401
01:14:27,067 --> 01:14:29,347
Speaker 3: not just because he's from the same place in New

1402
01:14:29,427 --> 01:14:32,147
Speaker 3: Zealand as me, But yeah, I wonder that too. So

1403
01:14:32,787 --> 01:14:35,027
Speaker 3: selection will be a massive, a massive part of this.

1404
01:14:35,147 --> 01:14:38,507
Speaker 3: It's absolutely pouring down on Wellington unfortunately, so it's not

1405
01:14:38,507 --> 01:14:40,347
Speaker 3: gonna be yeah, not gonna be one of those games

1406
01:14:40,387 --> 01:14:43,307
Speaker 3: of running rugby unfortunately at Potty or a park. Jerry

1407
01:14:43,307 --> 01:14:44,267
Speaker 3: Collins study him today?

1408
01:14:44,947 --> 01:14:48,507
Speaker 20: Did you see? Also Tatava Nahwai is injured, so I'm thinking, yeah,

1409
01:14:48,507 --> 01:14:51,427
Speaker 20: what does that mean Razor brings in you know, Leicester

1410
01:14:51,547 --> 01:14:53,387
Speaker 20: fying a nutwo he need to go to the board

1411
01:14:53,427 --> 01:14:57,067
Speaker 20: to get permission to bring him in earlier then they anticipated.

1412
01:14:57,107 --> 01:15:02,107
Speaker 20: But then there's also Mark Talia's around right, so I

1413
01:15:02,147 --> 01:15:04,267
Speaker 20: know he's been left out in the cold. But look,

1414
01:15:04,307 --> 01:15:06,147
Speaker 20: this is you want to win the Rugby Championship? Do

1415
01:15:06,147 --> 01:15:09,147
Speaker 20: you want pick the best players? There are some big

1416
01:15:09,187 --> 01:15:11,827
Speaker 20: decisions for Razor to make and I know, you know,

1417
01:15:12,227 --> 01:15:14,347
Speaker 20: he's got a beautiful mind raising he's one of those guys.

1418
01:15:14,427 --> 01:15:17,187
Speaker 20: He thinks and lives in breeze rugby, so he'll leave

1419
01:15:17,227 --> 01:15:19,507
Speaker 20: no stone unturned this week. But of course it's that

1420
01:15:19,947 --> 01:15:24,427
Speaker 20: high ball issue which needs to be resolved a sap.

1421
01:15:25,747 --> 01:15:27,867
Speaker 3: They're only they're only only going to bend their own rules,

1422
01:15:27,867 --> 01:15:30,427
Speaker 3: aren't they? Or break their own rules. You know, they

1423
01:15:30,427 --> 01:15:32,947
Speaker 3: can be the rules that they enforced upon themselves New

1424
01:15:33,027 --> 01:15:34,427
Speaker 3: Zealan Rugby and the All Black so they can change

1425
01:15:34,427 --> 01:15:37,427
Speaker 3: them when they want to anyway. Yeah, yeah, let's go

1426
01:15:37,427 --> 01:15:40,507
Speaker 3: to Hamilton. I've just received a text from our match

1427
01:15:40,547 --> 01:15:43,547
Speaker 3: commentator up there, Graham Minty mead. It's twelve degrees in

1428
01:15:43,627 --> 01:15:46,907
Speaker 3: pouring down Southam will feel right at home. Can Southam

1429
01:15:46,947 --> 01:15:49,387
Speaker 3: take the shield back down to whom the cargol this afternoon?

1430
01:15:50,227 --> 01:15:54,787
Speaker 20: Well, not with me. I'm taking the cow bell. I'm

1431
01:15:54,827 --> 01:15:57,907
Speaker 20: on the way and I hope that didn't blow out

1432
01:15:57,947 --> 01:16:01,587
Speaker 20: your speakers. I loved it, but it's you know, I'm

1433
01:16:01,787 --> 01:16:04,307
Speaker 20: I'm on the road soon to head down there to

1434
01:16:04,347 --> 01:16:07,867
Speaker 20: see how it goes to be honest, you know, the

1435
01:16:07,947 --> 01:16:12,027
Speaker 20: Southland have been doubt what a classic hospital passed by

1436
01:16:12,067 --> 01:16:14,427
Speaker 20: all these all blacks being available for white cuts or so.

1437
01:16:14,467 --> 01:16:17,227
Speaker 20: You've got Luke Jacobson at number eight antoonline and Brown

1438
01:16:17,267 --> 01:16:20,187
Speaker 20: at center. Some of Penny female Oli Norris are both

1439
01:16:20,227 --> 01:16:23,067
Speaker 20: starting as well. Initially they were named so it felt

1440
01:16:23,067 --> 01:16:25,307
Speaker 20: like there was some kind of battle between Ross, Filippo

1441
01:16:25,387 --> 01:16:29,067
Speaker 20: and Raisa going on, two old Crusaders teammates. So I

1442
01:16:29,107 --> 01:16:32,507
Speaker 20: was just thinking okay, well now they're in right, So

1443
01:16:32,707 --> 01:16:35,227
Speaker 20: that's that's all we can say is that it is

1444
01:16:35,307 --> 01:16:38,427
Speaker 20: tough for Southland. They don't get Ethan degree or serve res,

1445
01:16:38,467 --> 01:16:41,267
Speaker 20: which is a shame for them, but hey, they are

1446
01:16:41,267 --> 01:16:44,427
Speaker 20: shield specialists. They care about the Logowood as much as

1447
01:16:44,467 --> 01:16:47,627
Speaker 20: any province. So I think it's going to be an

1448
01:16:47,667 --> 01:16:49,787
Speaker 20: awesome battle and the All Blacks might all be off

1449
01:16:50,507 --> 01:16:52,347
Speaker 20: off the field at the business end. They might only

1450
01:16:52,347 --> 01:16:56,107
Speaker 20: play fifty or sixty minutes. So you know, it's if

1451
01:16:56,147 --> 01:16:58,067
Speaker 20: it rains, which it is at the moment. And like

1452
01:16:58,107 --> 01:17:00,667
Speaker 20: you say, twelve degrees, I think that helps Southland, doesn't it?

1453
01:17:01,027 --> 01:17:03,067
Speaker 3: I think so. I think so. I'm just hoping for

1454
01:17:03,107 --> 01:17:06,507
Speaker 3: another great battle and enjoyed wat Kindnike last week. I've

1455
01:17:06,547 --> 01:17:07,867
Speaker 3: got no skin in the game. Got no skin in

1456
01:17:07,867 --> 01:17:09,827
Speaker 3: this game this afternoon either, But I just love the

1457
01:17:09,867 --> 01:17:13,387
Speaker 3: emotion that has wrapped around at Jason Rutlers, actually a

1458
01:17:13,467 --> 01:17:15,907
Speaker 3: Southland store water. I'm sure you've seen play a few

1459
01:17:15,947 --> 01:17:18,227
Speaker 3: times for them and also for the Islanders. Are going

1460
01:17:18,227 --> 01:17:19,547
Speaker 3: to chat to with some about an hour or so,

1461
01:17:19,547 --> 01:17:21,467
Speaker 3: so be kind to hear from him just how much

1462
01:17:21,467 --> 01:17:24,387
Speaker 3: it means, because I think it does. Still mean mean

1463
01:17:24,427 --> 01:17:27,187
Speaker 3: a lot. Hey, the schoolboy rugby finals on right now,

1464
01:17:27,307 --> 01:17:30,747
Speaker 3: Fielding against rotaldu A Boys. Rot I have just scored

1465
01:17:30,787 --> 01:17:34,067
Speaker 3: a try to go twenty seventeen ahead with twenty minutes

1466
01:17:34,107 --> 01:17:36,467
Speaker 3: to go. I've just been watching it sort of off

1467
01:17:36,507 --> 01:17:37,827
Speaker 3: to one side on the live stream.

1468
01:17:37,827 --> 01:17:37,987
Speaker 17: Man.

1469
01:17:38,027 --> 01:17:39,667
Speaker 3: The quality of rugby is good.

1470
01:17:40,307 --> 01:17:42,627
Speaker 20: It's incredible. These teams are the ones that didn't make

1471
01:17:42,667 --> 01:17:45,267
Speaker 20: it as well. I mean, I may halts of boys

1472
01:17:45,707 --> 01:17:48,427
Speaker 20: old boy, and I went and saw my old team

1473
01:17:48,507 --> 01:17:52,067
Speaker 20: get beaten by and the dying Seecerds. So this team

1474
01:17:52,147 --> 01:17:54,027
Speaker 20: is an incredible try from the fullback. I think we're

1475
01:17:54,027 --> 01:17:56,907
Speaker 20: talking about a seventy meter try, aren't we here, Pony, Yeah, just.

1476
01:17:57,347 --> 01:18:00,867
Speaker 3: Watching the replays, he's beaten about seventeen guys.

1477
01:18:00,947 --> 01:18:05,067
Speaker 20: Yeah, the fullback is unbelievable. Sotsort are powerhouse and they

1478
01:18:05,107 --> 01:18:09,987
Speaker 20: were probably anticipated the favorites in this top four. But

1479
01:18:10,107 --> 01:18:12,067
Speaker 20: fielding they've beaten allcomers.

1480
01:18:12,107 --> 01:18:12,387
Speaker 5: Really.

1481
01:18:12,427 --> 01:18:15,067
Speaker 20: They've taken on Parmi boys here, who have had an

1482
01:18:15,107 --> 01:18:18,867
Speaker 20: exceptional season. They beat Hastings as well on the way

1483
01:18:18,907 --> 01:18:22,507
Speaker 20: here and Westlake the other day to make the final.

1484
01:18:22,587 --> 01:18:24,907
Speaker 20: And I think that's just exceptional for what is really

1485
01:18:25,307 --> 01:18:28,467
Speaker 20: you know a classic co ed school, sixteen hundred kids

1486
01:18:28,507 --> 01:18:31,787
Speaker 20: from a country town. Although I'm very surprised to see

1487
01:18:31,787 --> 01:18:35,107
Speaker 20: on Wikipedia that the population of Fielding is eighteen thousand.

1488
01:18:35,387 --> 01:18:38,507
Speaker 20: Did you know a population of eighteen thousand? Is that correct?

1489
01:18:38,747 --> 01:18:38,907
Speaker 14: Oh?

1490
01:18:38,907 --> 01:18:40,427
Speaker 3: Well, if you'd ask me how many people live in

1491
01:18:40,427 --> 01:18:43,267
Speaker 3: Fielding I would have been well down below ten thousand.

1492
01:18:43,307 --> 01:18:44,387
Speaker 3: I would have said seven or one.

1493
01:18:45,107 --> 01:18:48,067
Speaker 20: Someone's gone on to Wikipedia and messed with that. Surely

1494
01:18:48,507 --> 01:18:52,067
Speaker 20: it can't be. Please people from Fielding come and text

1495
01:18:52,107 --> 01:18:54,627
Speaker 20: in and tell us what your actual population is because

1496
01:18:55,027 --> 01:18:58,067
Speaker 20: it doesn't feel correct. But a I'm happy for them.

1497
01:18:58,067 --> 01:19:00,507
Speaker 20: A school that produced Aaron Smith and the Whitelot brothers. Yeah,

1498
01:19:00,547 --> 01:19:02,947
Speaker 20: they are good at Rugby, a powerhouse in the co

1499
01:19:03,707 --> 01:19:05,667
Speaker 20: ed scene. But if they were to get up I

1500
01:19:05,667 --> 01:19:07,147
Speaker 20: don't think they will. But if they were to get

1501
01:19:07,227 --> 01:19:09,947
Speaker 20: up today there would be. It would really make history.

1502
01:19:09,987 --> 01:19:13,027
Speaker 20: In this competition, which is always you know, the usual suspects.

1503
01:19:13,467 --> 01:19:15,867
Speaker 3: Text the population of Fielding to nine two ninety two

1504
01:19:15,907 --> 01:19:18,707
Speaker 3: if you have the official word. Hey, now the Warriors

1505
01:19:19,027 --> 01:19:21,547
Speaker 3: have dropped out of the top four because the Broncos

1506
01:19:21,587 --> 01:19:25,307
Speaker 3: won last night. The Sharks play the Newcastle Knights later

1507
01:19:25,347 --> 01:19:28,067
Speaker 3: and they'll absolutely win that so the Warriors are faced

1508
01:19:28,067 --> 01:19:30,747
Speaker 3: with the with the it's a pretty simple equation really.

1509
01:19:30,787 --> 01:19:32,587
Speaker 3: Now they've got to beat Manly and then they've got

1510
01:19:32,627 --> 01:19:34,467
Speaker 3: to hope both the Broncos and the Sharks lose next

1511
01:19:34,467 --> 01:19:38,107
Speaker 3: weekend to finish fourth. You reckon, yeah, I mean it's

1512
01:19:38,547 --> 01:19:40,507
Speaker 3: I mean, how likely does that seem? All of that.

1513
01:19:42,027 --> 01:19:44,907
Speaker 20: Highly unlikely. I don't think the Warriors will make the

1514
01:19:44,947 --> 01:19:47,627
Speaker 20: top four. I think you know it's daily cherry Evens

1515
01:19:47,747 --> 01:19:50,227
Speaker 20: final game at Brookvale next week. That's the issue, right,

1516
01:19:50,347 --> 01:19:54,587
Speaker 20: that's the passion for Daily Cheery Evens at Brookvale. Not

1517
01:19:54,827 --> 01:19:58,387
Speaker 20: happy hunting around at all for the Warriors historically. So

1518
01:19:58,867 --> 01:20:02,587
Speaker 20: I think there's there's going to be well, I think

1519
01:20:02,627 --> 01:20:05,267
Speaker 20: Fielding about to scoring incredible try, I know almost. But

1520
01:20:05,547 --> 01:20:07,987
Speaker 20: I think the what's happened is the Warriors have been

1521
01:20:08,507 --> 01:20:11,267
Speaker 20: i'd say one of the most unconvincing top four teams

1522
01:20:11,267 --> 01:20:14,267
Speaker 20: in history. You know, their points falling against is very low,

1523
01:20:14,307 --> 01:20:16,827
Speaker 20: almost one hundred points down on the other teams. But

1524
01:20:16,907 --> 01:20:19,467
Speaker 20: they've managed to do it really on the sniff of

1525
01:20:19,507 --> 01:20:22,147
Speaker 20: an already rag. I mean, let's be honest, they're key

1526
01:20:22,187 --> 01:20:25,347
Speaker 20: playmakers and just Luke Metcalf their best player is a

1527
01:20:25,427 --> 01:20:28,947
Speaker 20: nineteen year old Lecquahalaesima, who mainly plays off the bench.

1528
01:20:29,267 --> 01:20:33,387
Speaker 20: I mean, it's just the team that's probably just punching

1529
01:20:33,387 --> 01:20:36,947
Speaker 20: above its weight, and I think at the moment they

1530
01:20:36,987 --> 01:20:40,307
Speaker 20: really don't want to. I guess face one of those

1531
01:20:40,347 --> 01:20:42,947
Speaker 20: teams who are hitting really good form. And I'm thinking

1532
01:20:42,947 --> 01:20:44,827
Speaker 20: about the Roosters right now. You don't want to have

1533
01:20:44,827 --> 01:20:46,507
Speaker 20: to play them in the playoffs.

1534
01:20:46,787 --> 01:20:50,267
Speaker 3: No, and that may well be the scenario that they face. Hey,

1535
01:20:51,067 --> 01:20:53,867
Speaker 3: no one's texted the fielding population, but somebody is helpfully

1536
01:20:54,347 --> 01:20:56,347
Speaker 3: texted through that at the moment to Ash Burton at

1537
01:20:56,387 --> 01:20:58,627
Speaker 3: his six degrees. That's good to know, isn't it.

1538
01:20:59,747 --> 01:21:05,907
Speaker 20: I like that it gets a town roundup please, But yeah,

1539
01:21:05,587 --> 01:21:07,907
Speaker 20: I went on a deep dive of populations of towns

1540
01:21:07,987 --> 01:21:10,027
Speaker 20: last night. We can talk about it about that another time,

1541
01:21:10,107 --> 01:21:12,067
Speaker 20: but I just did want to mention that the Wellington

1542
01:21:12,067 --> 01:21:15,787
Speaker 20: Phoenix being left out of this Oceania competition is such

1543
01:21:15,787 --> 01:21:19,147
Speaker 20: a massive snub. I bet you David Dome is absolutely fuming,

1544
01:21:19,147 --> 01:21:20,867
Speaker 20: and he probably wouldn't even want to go on radio

1545
01:21:20,867 --> 01:21:24,267
Speaker 20: because you probably start saying things that would backfire on

1546
01:21:25,267 --> 01:21:28,747
Speaker 20: the side. But it just seems the biggest belief given

1547
01:21:28,787 --> 01:21:30,947
Speaker 20: that Ukland they've seen now have a chance to qualify

1548
01:21:31,187 --> 01:21:33,587
Speaker 20: for the World Club Final, which, of course you know

1549
01:21:33,627 --> 01:21:37,147
Speaker 20: what it's like. You played Chelsea, you play Paris ndray Man,

1550
01:21:37,267 --> 01:21:42,227
Speaker 20: it's immense. And for the Phoenix as a protein that's

1551
01:21:42,227 --> 01:21:45,307
Speaker 20: been around for fifteen odd years, not to get invited

1552
01:21:45,387 --> 01:21:48,107
Speaker 20: as just seems like a massive slap in the face.

1553
01:21:48,187 --> 01:21:51,347
Speaker 20: But hey, we've all been there, Piney, whether it's a

1554
01:21:51,347 --> 01:21:53,987
Speaker 20: wedding or a golf weekend where we feel that we

1555
01:21:53,987 --> 01:21:56,427
Speaker 20: could have added value but we don't get a call up,

1556
01:21:56,707 --> 01:21:58,147
Speaker 20: and you know you're just going to suck it up.

1557
01:21:58,587 --> 01:22:01,187
Speaker 3: I've been slapped in the face and snubbed numerous times

1558
01:22:01,547 --> 01:22:05,627
Speaker 3: and lots of different scenarios. Fielding populations seventeen and a

1559
01:22:05,667 --> 01:22:08,307
Speaker 3: half thousand, says this text. The school is a boarding

1560
01:22:08,307 --> 01:22:11,267
Speaker 3: school which brings students in from all over the place.

1561
01:22:11,507 --> 01:22:13,227
Speaker 3: Got to go, mate, but let's chat again next Sunday

1562
01:22:13,267 --> 01:22:14,707
Speaker 3: after an all Black swins, shall.

1563
01:22:14,467 --> 01:22:16,667
Speaker 20: We jeers mate? Sounds good?

1564
01:22:16,747 --> 01:22:20,707
Speaker 3: Yeah, Go Fielding, Go Fielding and go James mcconey seven

1565
01:22:20,707 --> 01:22:24,467
Speaker 3: to two news talks. I've had numerous texts confirming Fielding's

1566
01:22:24,467 --> 01:22:26,907
Speaker 3: population of seven ten and a half thousand. I never

1567
01:22:26,907 --> 01:22:29,947
Speaker 3: would have had it that high anyway, It's good to

1568
01:22:30,187 --> 01:22:35,947
Speaker 3: clarify these these pertinent facts. On Weekend Sport after two,

1569
01:22:36,187 --> 01:22:40,267
Speaker 3: Mark Winterbottom an extended interview with an absolute champion of

1570
01:22:40,387 --> 01:22:44,547
Speaker 3: supercars and Jason Rutnage speaking of champions out of the stags,

1571
01:22:45,107 --> 01:22:46,347
Speaker 3: looking at the Ramfilly Shield.

1572
01:22:48,067 --> 01:22:50,987
Speaker 1: It's the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues

1573
01:22:51,067 --> 01:22:52,747
Speaker 1: on and after fields.

1574
01:22:53,267 --> 01:22:56,627
Speaker 2: It's all on week James Sport with Jason kaid on

1575
01:22:56,787 --> 01:22:58,067
Speaker 2: your home of Sport.

1576
01:22:59,107 --> 01:23:03,147
Speaker 3: New Talks Weekend Sport on News Talks FB two O seven.

1577
01:23:03,187 --> 01:23:06,787
Speaker 3: We're here till three. Then Tim Beveridge takes over winter

1578
01:23:06,827 --> 01:23:09,147
Speaker 3: Bottom standing by the chat to us. An extended chat

1579
01:23:09,187 --> 01:23:13,947
Speaker 3: with Mark about his book, his career and what he

1580
01:23:13,987 --> 01:23:16,547
Speaker 3: thinks of Matt Pain. I think Mark Winterbottom has spent

1581
01:23:16,667 --> 01:23:19,987
Speaker 3: quite a bit of time with Matt Pain in Supercar's land,

1582
01:23:20,467 --> 01:23:22,787
Speaker 3: so be keen to know what he thinks of his prospects.

1583
01:23:23,987 --> 01:23:26,507
Speaker 3: Jason Rutlege on the show this hour as well. Southland

1584
01:23:26,587 --> 01:23:30,267
Speaker 3: Legend from Andy and Southland. Snowshowers down here this morning,

1585
01:23:30,467 --> 01:23:33,587
Speaker 3: but it's now a solid nine degrees. People are out

1586
01:23:33,587 --> 01:23:36,307
Speaker 3: mowing their lawns and their droves, killing time for the

1587
01:23:36,347 --> 01:23:38,827
Speaker 3: big game. Yes, she'll challenge this afternoon, looking forward to that.

1588
01:23:39,227 --> 01:23:42,347
Speaker 3: Wellington and Auckland underway and pottydo no score after ninety

1589
01:23:42,387 --> 01:23:46,867
Speaker 3: seconds in that one. Without any further ado, we should

1590
01:23:46,947 --> 01:23:48,987
Speaker 3: just rip straight into in case you missed it, because

1591
01:23:49,067 --> 01:23:52,387
Speaker 3: Andy McDonald has compiled a bumper edition of the things

1592
01:23:52,387 --> 01:23:55,387
Speaker 3: you might have missed in the last little while across

1593
01:23:55,427 --> 01:23:59,027
Speaker 3: all sorts of different sports from all corners of the globe,

1594
01:23:59,307 --> 01:24:02,827
Speaker 3: Starting at the Women's Rugby World Cup, England piling on

1595
01:24:02,867 --> 01:24:05,427
Speaker 3: the points against some more great skirts.

1596
01:24:05,107 --> 01:24:05,907
Speaker 22: It over in England.

1597
01:24:06,627 --> 01:24:07,987
Speaker 18: The Hens do fancy another.

1598
01:24:08,067 --> 01:24:10,867
Speaker 22: They have got lone of us to bed lineing out

1599
01:24:10,987 --> 01:24:14,307
Speaker 22: one after the other after the other. In Clavia Maloney

1600
01:24:14,387 --> 01:24:19,827
Speaker 22: McDonald kicks the feet, stumbles of the line and another

1601
01:24:20,147 --> 01:24:24,347
Speaker 22: first battled such adversity with injury ds.

1602
01:24:24,907 --> 01:24:28,187
Speaker 3: The Hens are final try for England, England winning ninety

1603
01:24:28,227 --> 01:24:30,707
Speaker 3: two points to three. On the other end of the

1604
01:24:30,787 --> 01:24:35,667
Speaker 3: competitiveness spectrum, Australia and the United States found themselves in

1605
01:24:35,707 --> 01:24:37,307
Speaker 3: a very tight affair.

1606
01:24:37,227 --> 01:24:39,987
Speaker 15: Ticked over eighty minutes and they chicken out.

1607
01:24:42,987 --> 01:24:44,467
Speaker 2: And that will be full.

1608
01:24:44,267 --> 01:24:46,867
Speaker 3: Time, which aren'ts with them?

1609
01:24:47,507 --> 01:24:53,307
Speaker 15: What an incredible match and it ends Australia thirty one

1610
01:24:53,667 --> 01:24:55,747
Speaker 15: USA thirty one.

1611
01:24:56,227 --> 01:24:59,627
Speaker 3: There's the drawer between those two nations. Across the rugby leg,

1612
01:24:59,707 --> 01:25:01,987
Speaker 3: the Broncos have moved into the top four with a

1613
01:25:02,027 --> 01:25:03,027
Speaker 3: win over the Cowboys.

1614
01:25:03,147 --> 01:25:06,147
Speaker 17: Smoothie to has.

1615
01:25:07,067 --> 01:25:12,227
Speaker 14: Depends his life.

1616
01:25:12,427 --> 01:25:13,587
Speaker 11: This is a fair.

1617
01:25:15,067 --> 01:25:16,227
Speaker 3: To the left off.

1618
01:25:16,387 --> 01:25:21,107
Speaker 14: The Giants paid huts, stramples any.

1619
01:25:20,907 --> 01:25:21,707
Speaker 2: One of his way.

1620
01:25:21,987 --> 01:25:25,987
Speaker 3: Meantime, in camera, the Raiders have secured the minor premiership.

1621
01:25:26,107 --> 01:25:28,787
Speaker 5: That is it.

1622
01:25:28,867 --> 01:25:30,587
Speaker 15: The craft tats it down.

1623
01:25:32,827 --> 01:25:34,747
Speaker 17: And this this.

1624
01:25:34,907 --> 01:25:38,627
Speaker 15: Camera Raiders outfit has done something very special. Yes, their

1625
01:25:38,747 --> 01:25:41,227
Speaker 15: big games are still to come, but when you have

1626
01:25:41,267 --> 01:25:44,827
Speaker 15: a one silver aware at thirty one years, days like

1627
01:25:44,947 --> 01:25:46,827
Speaker 15: this are days to save.

1628
01:25:47,147 --> 01:25:50,347
Speaker 3: Here, wonderful day Camera twenty fourteen winners over the Tigers,

1629
01:25:50,347 --> 01:25:53,907
Speaker 3: securing the silverware. The Sea Eagles keeping their slim top

1630
01:25:53,947 --> 01:25:56,827
Speaker 3: eight hopes alive with a forty points to twenty four

1631
01:25:56,827 --> 01:26:00,947
Speaker 3: went over the Dragons to Rugby's in PC. Tasman overcoming

1632
01:26:00,987 --> 01:26:02,667
Speaker 3: Otago and are down to the wire.

1633
01:26:02,747 --> 01:26:07,907
Speaker 12: Finish time is up in Nelson, Tesma, down by three.

1634
01:26:08,067 --> 01:26:09,187
Speaker 2: The drive again.

1635
01:26:09,827 --> 01:26:10,587
Speaker 14: I think most of.

1636
01:26:10,547 --> 01:26:13,867
Speaker 3: The Tasman team are in there. William Howe Billies joined in.

1637
01:26:14,547 --> 01:26:16,387
Speaker 15: They're closing in on the touch line.

1638
01:26:16,467 --> 01:26:19,547
Speaker 23: Someone's got the ball out they've got the winning.

1639
01:26:19,267 --> 01:26:23,827
Speaker 3: Try thirty one twenty seven Tasman over Otago Northland. Meantime,

1640
01:26:23,907 --> 01:26:26,427
Speaker 3: continue their strong form with a win over hawks Bay.

1641
01:26:26,587 --> 01:26:29,947
Speaker 15: Pretty determined defense there from the hawks Bay meg Pie

1642
01:26:30,147 --> 01:26:33,947
Speaker 15: for support as a drive referee playing advantage, he's an.

1643
01:26:33,827 --> 01:26:38,387
Speaker 3: Opportunity follow the tunny and it's Sam Kid with ten

1644
01:26:38,467 --> 01:26:40,747
Speaker 3: minutes to go twenty seven to twenty two, the tunny

1645
01:26:40,787 --> 01:26:43,347
Speaker 3: fire over the Magpies. Other games Canterby too good for

1646
01:26:43,387 --> 01:26:46,947
Speaker 3: Mona were two fifty three fourteen Taranaki beating County's Monaco

1647
01:26:47,027 --> 01:26:50,507
Speaker 3: for forty three twenty two. Back to Europe and a

1648
01:26:50,507 --> 01:26:53,587
Speaker 3: good day in the Netherlands for racing balls. At the

1649
01:26:53,587 --> 01:26:57,547
Speaker 3: Grand Prix, the Dutch lion maximust happened to the line,

1650
01:26:57,707 --> 01:26:59,867
Speaker 3: crosses the line, he misses out by two.

1651
01:26:59,747 --> 01:27:00,107
Speaker 17: And a half.

1652
01:27:00,147 --> 01:27:05,147
Speaker 2: Tense Look at this Paja fourth amazing effort.

1653
01:27:05,627 --> 01:27:07,867
Speaker 5: That is a super effort, Liam Lawson eight.

1654
01:27:08,147 --> 01:27:11,987
Speaker 4: And for that man there, Oscar Piastre, it is whole

1655
01:27:12,187 --> 01:27:13,067
Speaker 4: position here.

1656
01:27:13,107 --> 01:27:16,227
Speaker 3: He raised herself tomorrow morning and finally to Premier League

1657
01:27:16,267 --> 01:27:20,547
Speaker 3: football Bournemouth with a smash and grab at Tottenham.

1658
01:27:20,107 --> 01:27:24,467
Speaker 14: SINESSI look if rev Nielsen took it, well, take you Peically,

1659
01:27:25,867 --> 01:27:29,547
Speaker 14: what a stunning start for the Cherries, their records signing

1660
01:27:29,587 --> 01:27:32,787
Speaker 14: on target for just four minutes on the watch and

1661
01:27:32,947 --> 01:27:35,187
Speaker 14: the Tottenham Hotspur stadium is stunned.

1662
01:27:34,827 --> 01:27:37,547
Speaker 3: Early on here and it finished one Niel the Bournemouth

1663
01:27:37,707 --> 01:27:41,507
Speaker 3: in Sunderland's happy return to the Premier League continued. I

1664
01:27:41,627 --> 01:27:43,867
Speaker 3: come from behind victory over Breenford.

1665
01:27:43,907 --> 01:27:52,827
Speaker 23: Okay, shacko with a swater, listen to the noise and

1666
01:27:53,187 --> 01:27:58,347
Speaker 23: sell the Plasson had the where side will sit said.

1667
01:27:58,187 --> 01:28:02,107
Speaker 2: All may well have won it for Sutherland.

1668
01:28:02,067 --> 01:28:03,627
Speaker 5: At the Stadium of Lunch.

1669
01:28:04,107 --> 01:28:05,947
Speaker 2: He is passing too.

1670
01:28:06,587 --> 01:28:09,347
Speaker 23: Game's running fuck in the trill.

1671
01:28:10,827 --> 01:28:13,067
Speaker 2: When it's down to the line, you make the call.

1672
01:28:13,267 --> 01:28:16,507
Speaker 1: On eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sports with

1673
01:28:16,707 --> 01:28:18,387
Speaker 1: Jason Pine News Talks V.

1674
01:28:19,107 --> 01:28:23,507
Speaker 3: Twelve minutes past two. Mark Winterbottom is a motorsport legend.

1675
01:28:23,747 --> 01:28:27,947
Speaker 3: His career included a Supercars Championship win in twenty fifteen,

1676
01:28:28,387 --> 01:28:32,507
Speaker 3: thirty nine rate victories and one hundred and twenty podium

1677
01:28:32,547 --> 01:28:36,307
Speaker 3: finishes overall, and a win in the iconic Bathhurst one

1678
01:28:36,387 --> 01:28:38,067
Speaker 3: thousand and twenty thirteen.

1679
01:28:38,667 --> 01:28:41,107
Speaker 12: Mark winter Bottom has had to go toe to toe

1680
01:28:41,187 --> 01:28:44,347
Speaker 12: with Jamie Wincup, who's been the standout driver.

1681
01:28:45,707 --> 01:28:49,067
Speaker 18: For the last few years in this game and firsty

1682
01:28:49,187 --> 01:28:55,067
Speaker 18: has been winning s after more than a decade of.

1683
01:28:55,147 --> 01:28:57,507
Speaker 2: Trying, Mark win a Bottom will win.

1684
01:28:57,627 --> 01:29:01,147
Speaker 15: The Super Tea Porto bat this one thousand with Staved Richards.

1685
01:29:07,187 --> 01:29:10,587
Speaker 3: Last year, Mark Winterbottom retired from full time driving after

1686
01:29:10,667 --> 01:29:13,547
Speaker 3: twenty one years, but he remained a mentor and in

1687
01:29:13,747 --> 01:29:17,107
Speaker 3: dua co driver with Cam Waters for Tickford Driving. He's

1688
01:29:17,187 --> 01:29:22,147
Speaker 3: also written his autobiography Frosty, The Incredible True Story of

1689
01:29:22,187 --> 01:29:25,907
Speaker 3: the Boy from Duneside who became a Bathurst King. Mark

1690
01:29:25,947 --> 01:29:28,947
Speaker 3: Winterbottom is with us. Welcome and mate, and congratulations on

1691
01:29:29,027 --> 01:29:31,147
Speaker 3: this book. It's a cracker. How did you find the

1692
01:29:31,227 --> 01:29:35,587
Speaker 3: exercise of reflecting on your life and your motor racing career?

1693
01:29:36,467 --> 01:29:40,947
Speaker 18: Yeah, thank you. I found it tough in some ways,

1694
01:29:40,987 --> 01:29:43,947
Speaker 18: in therapeutic and others. It's funny. You hold on to

1695
01:29:44,067 --> 01:29:46,507
Speaker 18: a lot, especially in the early years.

1696
01:29:46,547 --> 01:29:46,747
Speaker 5: You know.

1697
01:29:48,307 --> 01:29:51,227
Speaker 24: Of things that went on and I don't know, it

1698
01:29:51,267 --> 01:29:53,187
Speaker 24: seems normal when you grow up a certain way. It's

1699
01:29:53,227 --> 01:29:55,787
Speaker 24: normal because that's all you know. But once you start

1700
01:29:55,947 --> 01:29:59,667
Speaker 24: talking and you realize that some of the stuff you

1701
01:29:59,747 --> 01:30:03,107
Speaker 24: went through isn't normal. You know, some of the trauma

1702
01:30:03,187 --> 01:30:03,667
Speaker 24: and whatever.

1703
01:30:04,027 --> 01:30:05,227
Speaker 18: When you start hating.

1704
01:30:05,347 --> 01:30:08,307
Speaker 24: It actually felt therapeutic because somehow I think I've bottled

1705
01:30:08,347 --> 01:30:10,267
Speaker 24: it up for about forty years, some of that stuff,

1706
01:30:10,307 --> 01:30:14,187
Speaker 24: and yeah, getting it down on paper and telling his

1707
01:30:14,267 --> 01:30:18,707
Speaker 24: story was quite relieving. But and then yeah, obviously winning

1708
01:30:19,387 --> 01:30:21,867
Speaker 24: a p Week fifty to start my motorsport career, and

1709
01:30:23,267 --> 01:30:25,547
Speaker 24: I think, yeah, my story is quite unique, but when

1710
01:30:25,587 --> 01:30:27,707
Speaker 24: you live it, it's normal, so you don't think it's

1711
01:30:27,747 --> 01:30:28,227
Speaker 24: any different.

1712
01:30:28,227 --> 01:30:30,547
Speaker 18: You think everyone's living the same way, you know.

1713
01:30:30,747 --> 01:30:32,347
Speaker 5: So it was good.

1714
01:30:32,387 --> 01:30:33,387
Speaker 18: Once we started.

1715
01:30:33,067 --> 01:30:35,867
Speaker 24: Writing it and getting deep into it, I thought, you

1716
01:30:35,987 --> 01:30:38,547
Speaker 24: have to go all in. You can't just you know,

1717
01:30:38,947 --> 01:30:41,547
Speaker 24: tell her whatever story. You've got to be honest and

1718
01:30:42,267 --> 01:30:42,987
Speaker 24: tell the whole thing.

1719
01:30:43,067 --> 01:30:44,907
Speaker 5: And it was good.

1720
01:30:45,067 --> 01:30:47,347
Speaker 18: I'm really happy with how it turned out. And I'm

1721
01:30:47,347 --> 01:30:50,387
Speaker 18: an all in kind of guy. In the book, it's

1722
01:30:50,467 --> 01:30:52,787
Speaker 18: definitely written that way, so I'm really proud of it.

1723
01:30:52,987 --> 01:30:55,107
Speaker 3: Yeah, it certainly is. And I want to touch on

1724
01:30:55,747 --> 01:30:59,867
Speaker 3: that beginning part where you won the raffle, but can

1725
01:30:59,947 --> 01:31:03,907
Speaker 3: I jump to chapter twenty Mountain Magic, which details you'll

1726
01:31:03,947 --> 01:31:07,827
Speaker 3: win well, Stephen Ridgets at Bathurston twenty thirteen, and You're right.

1727
01:31:07,947 --> 01:31:10,347
Speaker 3: Crossing the finish line was unlike anything I'd ever felt

1728
01:31:10,387 --> 01:31:12,307
Speaker 3: before it wasn't just a race, when it was the

1729
01:31:12,347 --> 01:31:16,067
Speaker 3: culmination of years of effort, heartbreak and frustration. After so

1730
01:31:16,187 --> 01:31:20,427
Speaker 3: many close calls and near missus, Bathurst was finally ours.

1731
01:31:21,147 --> 01:31:24,627
Speaker 3: And you also talk Mark about tough grown men these

1732
01:31:24,707 --> 01:31:30,267
Speaker 3: you know, real grizzled motorsport mechanics crying afterwards. Can anything

1733
01:31:30,307 --> 01:31:32,987
Speaker 3: in your sport possibly compare to winning at Bathurst?

1734
01:31:34,067 --> 01:31:36,467
Speaker 24: Well, I cried, and I wouldn't call myself a tough man,

1735
01:31:36,547 --> 01:31:39,507
Speaker 24: but there weren't tough men there crying. But the thing

1736
01:31:39,547 --> 01:31:42,987
Speaker 24: about Bathurst and winning that event, it's not just winning

1737
01:31:43,027 --> 01:31:45,907
Speaker 24: on that day, it's the build up to winning it.

1738
01:31:46,027 --> 01:31:48,307
Speaker 24: And I think anyone who wins it in the first

1739
01:31:48,467 --> 01:31:52,787
Speaker 24: year has done himself for disservice because you've got to

1740
01:31:52,827 --> 01:31:55,867
Speaker 24: have all those setbacks to get that big holy grail.

1741
01:31:56,027 --> 01:31:58,267
Speaker 18: And that's for me crossing that line.

1742
01:31:58,307 --> 01:32:02,147
Speaker 24: I think, you know, my journey started three I was

1743
01:32:02,227 --> 01:32:06,027
Speaker 24: running second and blew an engine in my first every

1744
01:32:06,107 --> 01:32:07,987
Speaker 24: year and I thought, I'm going to get a.

1745
01:32:07,947 --> 01:32:08,787
Speaker 18: Podium off first year.

1746
01:32:08,827 --> 01:32:09,267
Speaker 5: This is easy.

1747
01:32:09,347 --> 01:32:12,267
Speaker 24: This Bathurst thing is easy. And then it took another

1748
01:32:12,747 --> 01:32:16,027
Speaker 24: ten years to stand on that podium. And every heartbreak

1749
01:32:16,707 --> 01:32:20,387
Speaker 24: builds that appreciation for how hard that race is to win,

1750
01:32:20,547 --> 01:32:24,107
Speaker 24: so you know, crossing that line and the team and

1751
01:32:24,347 --> 01:32:27,227
Speaker 24: the you know, the driver and they're like you, They're

1752
01:32:27,267 --> 01:32:29,587
Speaker 24: like your army that's behind you to win that race.

1753
01:32:29,787 --> 01:32:32,387
Speaker 24: And when you go into battle and come out on top,

1754
01:32:32,627 --> 01:32:34,987
Speaker 24: there's no better feeling, you know, you know you've arnted

1755
01:32:35,147 --> 01:32:40,387
Speaker 24: and that the celebrations were amazing, you know, just kept

1756
01:32:40,467 --> 01:32:43,587
Speaker 24: driving into pit lane after the win and seeing you know,

1757
01:32:43,707 --> 01:32:47,307
Speaker 24: grown man christ Blokes that handshakes was enough for them,

1758
01:32:47,387 --> 01:32:49,947
Speaker 24: hugging you and trying to skiss you and all that

1759
01:32:50,027 --> 01:32:50,587
Speaker 24: sort of stuff.

1760
01:32:51,907 --> 01:32:52,747
Speaker 18: You know, it means a lot.

1761
01:32:52,867 --> 01:32:55,907
Speaker 24: And I've only ever won one, you know, I thought

1762
01:32:56,467 --> 01:32:58,027
Speaker 24: it was going to be easy in the early years

1763
01:32:58,027 --> 01:33:00,027
Speaker 24: and you realize how tough it was. So I'll hang

1764
01:33:00,107 --> 01:33:02,307
Speaker 24: on to that one. Hopefully I can win a couple

1765
01:33:02,427 --> 01:33:06,147
Speaker 24: more before before I'm done. But such a special race,

1766
01:33:06,187 --> 01:33:09,227
Speaker 24: And like I said, you never appreciate how good it

1767
01:33:09,387 --> 01:33:12,667
Speaker 24: is until you have heartbreak to appreciate it.

1768
01:33:13,227 --> 01:33:16,587
Speaker 3: After you won. Were you able to enjoy it in

1769
01:33:16,667 --> 01:33:18,867
Speaker 3: the moment as it was happening and for the few

1770
01:33:18,947 --> 01:33:21,507
Speaker 3: days afterwards or was it more just a blur?

1771
01:33:22,307 --> 01:33:22,507
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1772
01:33:22,587 --> 01:33:26,987
Speaker 24: I didn't because you win it and then the podiums

1773
01:33:27,027 --> 01:33:30,227
Speaker 24: are blur. The press conference is a blur. Sunday nights

1774
01:33:30,267 --> 01:33:32,427
Speaker 24: a blur for obvious reasons. When you celebrate and then

1775
01:33:32,507 --> 01:33:37,467
Speaker 24: Monday morning you're into your media and Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,

1776
01:33:37,747 --> 01:33:40,467
Speaker 24: Friday was media back to back, and you're like, like,

1777
01:33:41,027 --> 01:33:42,987
Speaker 24: I didn't realize this race was so big and some

1778
01:33:43,147 --> 01:33:45,587
Speaker 24: of these places didn't exist, you know, like you just

1779
01:33:45,947 --> 01:33:49,427
Speaker 24: you were chatting about the race, and then Saturday Sunday

1780
01:33:49,467 --> 01:33:51,547
Speaker 24: off and then literally you're on the plane to go

1781
01:33:51,627 --> 01:33:54,907
Speaker 24: to Gold Coast to race two weeks later at that

1782
01:33:55,027 --> 01:33:59,267
Speaker 24: the Gold Coast Race, so your mind then goes from oh,

1783
01:33:59,347 --> 01:34:00,947
Speaker 24: that was awesome to how am I going to win

1784
01:34:00,987 --> 01:34:01,507
Speaker 24: Gold Coast?

1785
01:34:01,947 --> 01:34:04,627
Speaker 18: Trying to win this championship, and you never get to

1786
01:34:04,667 --> 01:34:05,307
Speaker 18: appreciate it.

1787
01:34:05,427 --> 01:34:07,467
Speaker 24: So we throw a party at the end of the

1788
01:34:07,667 --> 01:34:10,027
Speaker 24: year for all the tick fit, all the people who

1789
01:34:10,027 --> 01:34:13,067
Speaker 24: have helped us get to that Bathurst. When we threw

1790
01:34:13,107 --> 01:34:15,107
Speaker 24: a party at home here and I think we had

1791
01:34:15,147 --> 01:34:17,187
Speaker 24: like one hundred and something people here, it was really cool.

1792
01:34:17,227 --> 01:34:21,347
Speaker 18: We kind of celebrated and live the moment.

1793
01:34:21,507 --> 01:34:25,107
Speaker 24: But again, then you go into Christmas and you're focusing

1794
01:34:25,187 --> 01:34:26,507
Speaker 24: on what engineer have I got?

1795
01:34:26,547 --> 01:34:26,827
Speaker 20: What this?

1796
01:34:27,027 --> 01:34:31,427
Speaker 24: What your mind never rests in motorsports, So you know,

1797
01:34:31,507 --> 01:34:34,467
Speaker 24: you sit back now, and I still can't relax because

1798
01:34:34,507 --> 01:34:36,307
Speaker 24: I know I'm at Tail and Bend and Bathurst in

1799
01:34:37,147 --> 01:34:40,507
Speaker 24: the next couple of months. But it is a trophy

1800
01:34:40,587 --> 01:34:43,107
Speaker 24: that sits in my pull room. I sound like a

1801
01:34:43,147 --> 01:34:46,627
Speaker 24: real bogan here, that sits in my pull room, pride

1802
01:34:46,627 --> 01:34:49,827
Speaker 24: and joy, and I do look at it and really

1803
01:34:49,867 --> 01:34:53,347
Speaker 24: appreciate how much that trophy means. And but yeah, you

1804
01:34:53,427 --> 01:34:55,867
Speaker 24: never celebrate till you hang the helmet up, I think,

1805
01:34:55,907 --> 01:34:58,947
Speaker 24: and you become that that old bloke that sits back

1806
01:34:59,027 --> 01:35:00,267
Speaker 24: and has nothing.

1807
01:35:00,067 --> 01:35:00,507
Speaker 18: Else to do.

1808
01:35:00,667 --> 01:35:04,307
Speaker 24: And I'll just sit and appreciate that race, but your

1809
01:35:04,347 --> 01:35:07,227
Speaker 24: mind's always onto the next one. That's I don't know

1810
01:35:07,947 --> 01:35:11,907
Speaker 24: something wide about sport. Even in life businessmen, whatever you

1811
01:35:11,987 --> 01:35:14,107
Speaker 24: get one, you want another. You're just always thinking about

1812
01:35:14,107 --> 01:35:17,147
Speaker 24: the next. So I haven't fully appreciated it yet. But

1813
01:35:17,867 --> 01:35:20,187
Speaker 24: I do appreciate the win, but not enough, probably until

1814
01:35:20,187 --> 01:35:21,707
Speaker 24: I fully retire.

1815
01:35:21,747 --> 01:35:25,067
Speaker 3: Six years earlier. Of course. Bathur's two thousand and seven.

1816
01:35:25,147 --> 01:35:27,747
Speaker 3: You've got a ten second lead with fifteen laps to go,

1817
01:35:27,987 --> 01:35:30,467
Speaker 3: so you know you're nearly there. Then another driver hits

1818
01:35:30,507 --> 01:35:33,067
Speaker 3: the wall. Now comes the safety car, which brings everybody

1819
01:35:33,147 --> 01:35:36,307
Speaker 3: back together. You've got a thirteen lap shootout basically to

1820
01:35:36,387 --> 01:35:39,667
Speaker 3: the finish, during which you hit a painted white line.

1821
01:35:39,747 --> 01:35:43,107
Speaker 3: You leave the track in spectacular fashion. I watch this

1822
01:35:43,267 --> 01:35:45,387
Speaker 3: and the lead up to this chat mark and how

1823
01:35:45,467 --> 01:35:47,507
Speaker 3: you didn't flip? I don't know. You somehow go back

1824
01:35:47,547 --> 01:35:49,587
Speaker 3: on the track, but you've suffered well damage and you

1825
01:35:49,827 --> 01:35:52,947
Speaker 3: end up in sixth place, having lead with fifteen laps

1826
01:35:52,987 --> 01:35:55,867
Speaker 3: to go. How did you cope with that disappointment?

1827
01:35:57,907 --> 01:35:58,507
Speaker 18: That was tough?

1828
01:35:58,707 --> 01:36:00,867
Speaker 24: Like, I haven't had many moments in the car that

1829
01:36:00,947 --> 01:36:04,427
Speaker 24: I felt that flat ever, you know, and I thought

1830
01:36:04,467 --> 01:36:06,707
Speaker 24: we were going to win that race with fifteen laps

1831
01:36:06,747 --> 01:36:09,027
Speaker 24: to go. We had, we had a massive lead, and

1832
01:36:09,627 --> 01:36:12,627
Speaker 24: it was almost like you know, without getting ahead of yourself,

1833
01:36:12,667 --> 01:36:15,067
Speaker 24: but driving around going I wonder what that champagne taste? Like,

1834
01:36:15,107 --> 01:36:16,867
Speaker 24: we we're going to thank on the podium, like all

1835
01:36:16,907 --> 01:36:18,387
Speaker 24: those sort of things going through your head.

1836
01:36:19,187 --> 01:36:20,107
Speaker 18: And then that's why.

1837
01:36:20,107 --> 01:36:23,707
Speaker 24: Bathurst is so tough, because safety car comes out and

1838
01:36:24,267 --> 01:36:27,707
Speaker 24: you're bumper a bumper and which was fine, Like that

1839
01:36:27,907 --> 01:36:30,067
Speaker 24: was fine. I'm like, yep, still easy. We've got these

1840
01:36:30,187 --> 01:36:33,027
Speaker 24: cars fast, and then the rain starts and it's like, oh, man,

1841
01:36:33,147 --> 01:36:34,547
Speaker 24: what else you going to throw at it? You know,

1842
01:36:34,707 --> 01:36:39,787
Speaker 24: like it's it's it just kept coming. And you know

1843
01:36:39,987 --> 01:36:43,307
Speaker 24: we had everything perfect that day, and you know, I

1844
01:36:43,467 --> 01:36:44,867
Speaker 24: was in the car at the time. It was my

1845
01:36:45,027 --> 01:36:47,707
Speaker 24: job to do the job. And I let the team down.

1846
01:36:47,827 --> 01:36:48,667
Speaker 24: There's no doubt about it.

1847
01:36:48,867 --> 01:36:49,587
Speaker 18: I made a mistake.

1848
01:36:49,707 --> 01:36:53,507
Speaker 24: And that's tough because as a sportsman or as a

1849
01:36:54,307 --> 01:36:57,267
Speaker 24: you always pride yourself on perfection. You never want to

1850
01:36:57,307 --> 01:36:59,067
Speaker 24: make mistakes. If you're in the big moment, you've got

1851
01:36:59,147 --> 01:37:02,187
Speaker 24: to deliver. And I didn't deliver that day, and I

1852
01:37:02,307 --> 01:37:07,227
Speaker 24: let the team down. And I remember me in and

1853
01:37:08,427 --> 01:37:11,027
Speaker 24: I just was super emotional, like you just feel it.

1854
01:37:11,107 --> 01:37:13,467
Speaker 24: You know, it's not the race is done, the flags

1855
01:37:13,467 --> 01:37:16,267
Speaker 24: and you just it's like, I don't know, just that

1856
01:37:16,387 --> 01:37:19,187
Speaker 24: think hit you that you've you've done the wrong thing,

1857
01:37:19,427 --> 01:37:21,547
Speaker 24: and yeah, you let the team down. But then when

1858
01:37:21,587 --> 01:37:25,227
Speaker 24: I drove in, rich O was there and he was

1859
01:37:25,267 --> 01:37:27,147
Speaker 24: the first to greet me. It's the drivers on the

1860
01:37:27,227 --> 01:37:30,187
Speaker 24: area and he was there and he gave me a

1861
01:37:30,227 --> 01:37:32,347
Speaker 24: big hug and he's like, right, you did awesome, Like

1862
01:37:33,027 --> 01:37:36,307
Speaker 24: he was proud of how we got to that position.

1863
01:37:36,627 --> 01:37:41,507
Speaker 18: And that meant a lot because some drivers they wouldn't think.

1864
01:37:41,387 --> 01:37:43,787
Speaker 24: That way, you know, they think that you lost on

1865
01:37:43,907 --> 01:37:46,107
Speaker 24: the race when you should have won and he didn't.

1866
01:37:46,227 --> 01:37:48,347
Speaker 18: And then I walked into the team and.

1867
01:37:49,867 --> 01:37:51,947
Speaker 24: So feeling that you never wanted you'd never want to

1868
01:37:51,947 --> 01:37:55,707
Speaker 24: put anyone in because head down, you didn't want to

1869
01:37:55,707 --> 01:37:58,387
Speaker 24: look at people in the eye, like just not embarrassed,

1870
01:37:58,427 --> 01:38:01,067
Speaker 24: but you're just ashamed of letting the team down. And

1871
01:38:03,187 --> 01:38:05,667
Speaker 24: but yeah, thankfully I had a good team around me.

1872
01:38:05,747 --> 01:38:08,027
Speaker 24: They weren't ones that pointed the finger. They put their

1873
01:38:08,147 --> 01:38:10,107
Speaker 24: arm around you. And we actually went on and won

1874
01:38:10,147 --> 01:38:15,067
Speaker 24: the Gold Coast two weeks later, which was good redemption

1875
01:38:15,227 --> 01:38:18,867
Speaker 24: because I was really angry. I turned from disappointment to anger.

1876
01:38:19,427 --> 01:38:21,107
Speaker 24: And then when you're angry in a race car, it

1877
01:38:21,187 --> 01:38:22,947
Speaker 24: either goes two ways. You're in the fence or you're

1878
01:38:23,027 --> 01:38:25,907
Speaker 24: up the front. So yeah, it turned it around a

1879
01:38:25,907 --> 01:38:28,907
Speaker 24: couple of weeks later. But toughest moment I've had in sport,

1880
01:38:29,067 --> 01:38:32,067
Speaker 24: to be honest, and it makes or break sure, and

1881
01:38:32,707 --> 01:38:35,627
Speaker 24: I think having good people around me, I'll learn a

1882
01:38:35,667 --> 01:38:37,587
Speaker 24: lot from that lesson and I didn't make the same

1883
01:38:37,627 --> 01:38:38,267
Speaker 24: mistake again.

1884
01:38:40,187 --> 01:38:41,947
Speaker 18: But yeah, that was a really tough moment for sure.

1885
01:38:42,387 --> 01:38:45,067
Speaker 3: So Bathurst is big, but you say in chapter twenty

1886
01:38:45,107 --> 01:38:48,387
Speaker 3: two of your book that winning the Supercars Championship in

1887
01:38:48,467 --> 01:38:52,187
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen meant more to you than winning Bathurst in

1888
01:38:52,307 --> 01:38:55,747
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen. Was that simply because it was a product

1889
01:38:55,787 --> 01:38:58,747
Speaker 3: of a whole year's worth of consistent racing.

1890
01:39:00,347 --> 01:39:00,587
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1891
01:39:00,827 --> 01:39:03,227
Speaker 24: I always prode myself on the year, Like I think

1892
01:39:03,307 --> 01:39:07,067
Speaker 24: Bathurst emotionally for the day is you can't beat it

1893
01:39:07,227 --> 01:39:10,827
Speaker 24: because there's twenty five people or twenty six whatever cars

1894
01:39:10,867 --> 01:39:12,827
Speaker 24: that can win that day and it's not to the

1895
01:39:12,907 --> 01:39:17,227
Speaker 24: last lab it's decided. But the championship, we all start

1896
01:39:17,267 --> 01:39:20,307
Speaker 24: on zero points by round one. Five are probably gone

1897
01:39:20,427 --> 01:39:22,627
Speaker 24: by round two and other five's gone right, and you

1898
01:39:22,707 --> 01:39:25,427
Speaker 24: start to tell the story and by the end of

1899
01:39:25,467 --> 01:39:26,827
Speaker 24: the year it becomes a great match.

1900
01:39:26,867 --> 01:39:31,027
Speaker 18: It was just myself versus Lounds, and I love that,

1901
01:39:31,267 --> 01:39:32,547
Speaker 18: like grinding.

1902
01:39:32,227 --> 01:39:36,707
Speaker 24: Away and just eliminating people and then one on one

1903
01:39:36,787 --> 01:39:39,267
Speaker 24: you just like right, you're it and I'm coming for you.

1904
01:39:39,467 --> 01:39:40,547
Speaker 18: And I love that.

1905
01:39:41,267 --> 01:39:42,947
Speaker 24: I'm just wide a bit different, I think in that

1906
01:39:43,067 --> 01:39:47,507
Speaker 24: way where Bathost doesn't give you that. So to be

1907
01:39:47,587 --> 01:39:51,867
Speaker 24: the best for twelve months consistency. When the car is good,

1908
01:39:51,947 --> 01:39:54,227
Speaker 24: you attack, When the cars not, you survive, Like I

1909
01:39:54,467 --> 01:39:57,467
Speaker 24: like that sort of strategy involved in the championship and

1910
01:39:58,707 --> 01:40:00,987
Speaker 24: again we come really close for many years and.

1911
01:40:02,067 --> 01:40:05,907
Speaker 18: Fifteen to get it done was that was my proudest

1912
01:40:05,947 --> 01:40:06,867
Speaker 18: moment in the sport.

1913
01:40:07,067 --> 01:40:09,587
Speaker 24: And to put that number one on your door is

1914
01:40:10,427 --> 01:40:12,947
Speaker 24: I don't know, it's a really surreal feeling just to

1915
01:40:13,067 --> 01:40:14,507
Speaker 24: know that you were the best for the year and

1916
01:40:15,347 --> 01:40:17,707
Speaker 24: putting it on is an unbelievable feeling.

1917
01:40:18,427 --> 01:40:20,747
Speaker 18: The flip side, taking it off is one of the most.

1918
01:40:20,667 --> 01:40:23,947
Speaker 24: Moralizing feelings when someone else wins it and steals your

1919
01:40:24,027 --> 01:40:26,947
Speaker 24: number one, but you get to represent it that whole

1920
01:40:27,067 --> 01:40:30,827
Speaker 24: next year. Just proud of what you did. You know,

1921
01:40:30,907 --> 01:40:32,587
Speaker 24: when you get to wear that number one with pride.

1922
01:40:32,667 --> 01:40:36,747
Speaker 24: So I was really that was That's my best moment

1923
01:40:36,987 --> 01:40:41,227
Speaker 24: winning Bathurst. I sorry, winning the championship for the year,

1924
01:40:41,267 --> 01:40:42,947
Speaker 24: that was my proudest moment in the sport.

1925
01:40:43,227 --> 01:40:45,307
Speaker 3: Stay with us, Mark, I got some more questions for

1926
01:40:45,347 --> 01:40:47,547
Speaker 3: you about the early part of your career. Our guest

1927
01:40:47,587 --> 01:40:51,707
Speaker 3: as Mark winter Bottom as Bookers out Frosty The incredible

1928
01:40:51,747 --> 01:40:54,187
Speaker 3: true story of the boy from Duneside who became a

1929
01:40:54,227 --> 01:40:57,147
Speaker 3: Bathurst King. Just quick update from Jerry Colin Stadium and

1930
01:40:57,187 --> 01:41:00,347
Speaker 3: potted Or Wellington out of the Blocks, seventeen mill ahead

1931
01:41:00,507 --> 01:41:03,147
Speaker 3: after nineteen minutes over Auckland. Back in a secon with

1932
01:41:03,227 --> 01:41:05,107
Speaker 3: Mark winter Bottom on New Stalks EP.

1933
01:41:06,587 --> 01:41:07,587
Speaker 2: You be the TMO.

1934
01:41:07,867 --> 01:41:11,267
Speaker 1: Have your say on eight hundred and eighty Weekend Sport

1935
01:41:11,627 --> 01:41:15,707
Speaker 1: with Jason Hin and GJ. Guvnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted

1936
01:41:15,787 --> 01:41:17,347
Speaker 1: home builder news Dogs there'd.

1937
01:41:17,187 --> 01:41:21,267
Speaker 3: Be two twenty seven on Weekendsport. Our guest is Supercars

1938
01:41:21,387 --> 01:41:24,827
Speaker 3: Legend Mark winter Bottom. Mark. When you were eight years old,

1939
01:41:25,547 --> 01:41:28,187
Speaker 3: you begged your mum to buy a two dollars raffle

1940
01:41:28,267 --> 01:41:31,227
Speaker 3: ticket and a shopping mall. The prize was a Yamaha

1941
01:41:31,347 --> 01:41:34,907
Speaker 3: Peewee fifty bike. She did, You won the raffle and

1942
01:41:35,107 --> 01:41:39,467
Speaker 3: your career in motorsport began. Now that can't just be luck.

1943
01:41:39,507 --> 01:41:41,827
Speaker 3: I think the universe is at work here. There's a

1944
01:41:41,907 --> 01:41:44,987
Speaker 3: wider force here. But how pivotal was that winning that

1945
01:41:45,507 --> 01:41:47,067
Speaker 3: that bike in a two dollars raffle?

1946
01:41:47,827 --> 01:41:50,907
Speaker 24: Yeah, that's in a motorsport's expensive and we had we

1947
01:41:50,987 --> 01:41:54,667
Speaker 24: had no money. Like the family were involved in motorsport,

1948
01:41:54,787 --> 01:41:58,107
Speaker 24: but I think they realized how expensive it was, that

1949
01:41:58,827 --> 01:41:59,827
Speaker 24: it wasn't realistic.

1950
01:41:59,987 --> 01:42:01,387
Speaker 20: So I never was.

1951
01:42:01,427 --> 01:42:03,707
Speaker 24: Boord a bike or a go kart. I played soccer

1952
01:42:04,027 --> 01:42:07,387
Speaker 24: and and I think really sickly that was where I

1953
01:42:07,547 --> 01:42:11,187
Speaker 24: was leading, you know. But a good lesson to kids.

1954
01:42:11,667 --> 01:42:13,867
Speaker 24: I've got three of them. When you go to the

1955
01:42:13,947 --> 01:42:15,907
Speaker 24: shops and you want something, just line the floor and

1956
01:42:15,987 --> 01:42:18,667
Speaker 24: cry and make a scene and they'll always fold.

1957
01:42:18,707 --> 01:42:20,067
Speaker 18: The parents will always fold.

1958
01:42:20,227 --> 01:42:23,907
Speaker 24: So when I was eight, I played that card really

1959
01:42:23,987 --> 01:42:25,347
Speaker 24: well because Mom wasn't going to buy me.

1960
01:42:25,387 --> 01:42:26,507
Speaker 5: A ticket, and.

1961
01:42:28,947 --> 01:42:31,667
Speaker 24: With a bit of misbehaving she bought me a ticket,

1962
01:42:31,707 --> 01:42:35,707
Speaker 24: which was nice, and yeah, like, I don't know, I've

1963
01:42:35,747 --> 01:42:40,227
Speaker 24: been lucky in my career. Things have happened by chance,

1964
01:42:40,387 --> 01:42:44,747
Speaker 24: but right time, right place, and the timing is something

1965
01:42:44,827 --> 01:42:46,587
Speaker 24: was meant to be, you know. And winning that p

1966
01:42:46,707 --> 01:42:48,987
Speaker 24: wee fifty. There was other prizes in the in the raffle,

1967
01:42:49,467 --> 01:42:51,347
Speaker 24: but I had no idea. There was just one bike

1968
01:42:51,427 --> 01:42:53,867
Speaker 24: there that was in the middle, and that was like,

1969
01:42:53,987 --> 01:42:54,827
Speaker 24: I'm winning that thing.

1970
01:42:54,907 --> 01:42:57,787
Speaker 18: That's what I want. And I said to Mum when

1971
01:42:57,827 --> 01:43:01,187
Speaker 18: she bought the ticket, I'm like I've won, and she's like, she,

1972
01:43:01,347 --> 01:43:02,427
Speaker 18: you know, do you want to let you down?

1973
01:43:04,347 --> 01:43:04,907
Speaker 20: You know hard?

1974
01:43:05,067 --> 01:43:07,347
Speaker 24: She wanted to support you, and you know, yet you're

1975
01:43:07,347 --> 01:43:08,907
Speaker 24: a chance, but you never know. And I was like

1976
01:43:08,987 --> 01:43:11,707
Speaker 24: I'm winning that thing, and every time the phone rang,

1977
01:43:11,787 --> 01:43:13,507
Speaker 24: I was, you know, is that my bike?

1978
01:43:13,747 --> 01:43:14,467
Speaker 18: You know, sweetheart?

1979
01:43:14,507 --> 01:43:14,707
Speaker 24: As not?

1980
01:43:14,827 --> 01:43:17,307
Speaker 18: Is that my bike? And then two weeks later it

1981
01:43:17,387 --> 01:43:20,987
Speaker 18: was my bike. And once you get that fuel and

1982
01:43:21,107 --> 01:43:22,187
Speaker 18: that it wasn't just a bit.

1983
01:43:22,227 --> 01:43:24,987
Speaker 24: It was like a tool to kind of show what

1984
01:43:25,107 --> 01:43:27,387
Speaker 24: you wanted, you know, what you can do and get

1985
01:43:27,427 --> 01:43:30,627
Speaker 24: the fuel in the veins and it was the platform

1986
01:43:30,707 --> 01:43:33,507
Speaker 24: I needed to kick start the career. And without that

1987
01:43:33,587 --> 01:43:36,347
Speaker 24: I wouldn't have been racing today, you know, like that

1988
01:43:36,587 --> 01:43:39,067
Speaker 24: was that was the moment of purpose, and.

1989
01:43:41,027 --> 01:43:43,187
Speaker 18: Yeah, kickstarted it all, so very lucky.

1990
01:43:43,227 --> 01:43:46,387
Speaker 24: The two dollars I ticket was was was was my

1991
01:43:46,507 --> 01:43:49,467
Speaker 24: starter and without that, I hopefully I probably would have

1992
01:43:49,507 --> 01:43:52,867
Speaker 24: been playing soccer if I maintained the path I was on.

1993
01:43:54,147 --> 01:43:56,867
Speaker 18: But once you get motor and fuel in the veins,

1994
01:43:57,667 --> 01:44:01,227
Speaker 18: so addictive. It's a sport that grab your attention very quickly.

1995
01:44:01,307 --> 01:44:03,507
Speaker 18: And that peewee was that was That was it for me.

1996
01:44:03,747 --> 01:44:06,267
Speaker 3: Now that leads nicely into a word you use a

1997
01:44:06,387 --> 01:44:09,867
Speaker 3: lot in the book, and that is addiction. Motorsport is addictive.

1998
01:44:10,187 --> 01:44:13,427
Speaker 3: It was even in your karting days. You're right, how

1999
01:44:13,507 --> 01:44:16,027
Speaker 3: strong was its grip on you? How strong is its

2000
01:44:16,107 --> 01:44:17,347
Speaker 3: grip still on you?

2001
01:44:19,347 --> 01:44:21,787
Speaker 18: Well, I loved it, like I loved team sport.

2002
01:44:21,867 --> 01:44:23,867
Speaker 24: But when I got into karting, it was like you

2003
01:44:24,027 --> 01:44:26,867
Speaker 24: and machine and you had to I don't know, I've

2004
01:44:26,867 --> 01:44:28,907
Speaker 24: got all your senses going. It's a sport that you

2005
01:44:29,067 --> 01:44:32,947
Speaker 24: just you drive through your backside hear noted the engine,

2006
01:44:33,107 --> 01:44:36,387
Speaker 24: you smell the fumes, you know when you get really

2007
01:44:36,467 --> 01:44:41,427
Speaker 24: in sync with the machine. And then it's super competitive.

2008
01:44:41,547 --> 01:44:44,707
Speaker 24: You know, you're talking tense of a second to make

2009
01:44:44,867 --> 01:44:47,107
Speaker 24: or break you. And from an early age, I just

2010
01:44:47,187 --> 01:44:49,867
Speaker 24: love that. Like I'd just I'd go in the garage

2011
01:44:49,867 --> 01:44:52,227
Speaker 24: when I got home, I'd work all week, I'd pull

2012
01:44:52,307 --> 01:44:54,987
Speaker 24: the axle out of the card, I'd spray the bearings.

2013
01:44:55,067 --> 01:44:58,027
Speaker 24: If the berries didn't spin for long enough, I'd pull

2014
01:44:58,067 --> 01:45:00,067
Speaker 24: them back out and I go again. I'll become obsessed

2015
01:45:00,107 --> 01:45:05,147
Speaker 24: with just how to win, like how to beat your competition,

2016
01:45:05,427 --> 01:45:08,987
Speaker 24: and it's man and machine and that's I love that,

2017
01:45:09,227 --> 01:45:14,627
Speaker 24: Like I just got driven by literally what the sport was.

2018
01:45:14,747 --> 01:45:18,547
Speaker 24: And yeah, I loved it, and even to today, like

2019
01:45:18,627 --> 01:45:22,267
Speaker 24: you carry those early memories all the way through and

2020
01:45:22,307 --> 01:45:23,947
Speaker 24: your work ethic and what you have to do to

2021
01:45:24,027 --> 01:45:26,827
Speaker 24: win in motorsport's very tough and you can buy it

2022
01:45:27,067 --> 01:45:29,267
Speaker 24: or you can earn it. And I think along the

2023
01:45:29,307 --> 01:45:31,067
Speaker 24: way I had to earn it a lot and some

2024
01:45:31,227 --> 01:45:34,187
Speaker 24: equipment that wasn't the best. And there was guys out

2025
01:45:34,227 --> 01:45:39,147
Speaker 24: there with really nice looking helmets and transporters, and we

2026
01:45:39,267 --> 01:45:40,987
Speaker 24: had a box trailer, I had a white house. I

2027
01:45:40,987 --> 01:45:43,867
Speaker 24: actually had a motorbike helmet for a while. But I

2028
01:45:44,027 --> 01:45:47,027
Speaker 24: realized that you can have all this stuff, but if

2029
01:45:47,067 --> 01:45:49,427
Speaker 24: you don't work hard and have the right work ethic

2030
01:45:49,507 --> 01:45:50,347
Speaker 24: and stuff, you didn't win.

2031
01:45:50,507 --> 01:45:51,947
Speaker 2: So I just love that.

2032
01:45:52,107 --> 01:45:55,627
Speaker 18: I love that part of the sport so super addictive.

2033
01:45:55,667 --> 01:45:58,307
Speaker 24: And when you're ten years old doing one hundred k

2034
01:45:58,427 --> 01:46:01,467
Speaker 24: and hour with your butt, you know, inches from the ground,

2035
01:46:02,827 --> 01:46:03,467
Speaker 24: get your attention.

2036
01:46:03,587 --> 01:46:04,587
Speaker 18: It's a bloody good sport.

2037
01:46:04,867 --> 01:46:05,067
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2038
01:46:05,347 --> 01:46:07,547
Speaker 3: And you mentioned they are a bit out the hard

2039
01:46:07,627 --> 01:46:10,747
Speaker 3: work versus how good the equipment is. And it seems

2040
01:46:10,787 --> 01:46:14,107
Speaker 3: that success and motorsport is accommodation of driving skill and

2041
01:46:14,267 --> 01:46:19,107
Speaker 3: the best equipment. So will an inferior driver in a

2042
01:46:19,227 --> 01:46:23,547
Speaker 3: faster car usually beat a better driver in a slightly

2043
01:46:23,627 --> 01:46:24,147
Speaker 3: slower one.

2044
01:46:25,867 --> 01:46:26,627
Speaker 18: That's a good question.

2045
01:46:27,667 --> 01:46:31,747
Speaker 24: I think in parting a good driver will win an

2046
01:46:31,827 --> 01:46:36,907
Speaker 24: inferior equipment but when you get to supercars, for one IndyCar,

2047
01:46:37,027 --> 01:46:39,987
Speaker 24: whatever it is, everyone's a good driver. So when you

2048
01:46:40,267 --> 01:46:44,827
Speaker 24: have an inferior driver, it's still bloody good. So you know,

2049
01:46:44,907 --> 01:46:49,027
Speaker 24: you look at Formula One for example, you know you

2050
01:46:49,147 --> 01:46:52,507
Speaker 24: compete yourself against your teammate. That's the best reference. But

2051
01:46:53,587 --> 01:46:55,187
Speaker 24: if you're in a McLaren, you're going to win at

2052
01:46:55,227 --> 01:47:00,427
Speaker 24: the moment. If you're in a red Bull Max Fastap

2053
01:47:00,627 --> 01:47:02,027
Speaker 24: is probably going to win and the other guy's going

2054
01:47:02,107 --> 01:47:02,547
Speaker 24: to struggle.

2055
01:47:02,627 --> 01:47:06,667
Speaker 18: But you know, it's funny. The equipment makes it everything.

2056
01:47:06,747 --> 01:47:09,787
Speaker 24: But in motorsport, what's very important is the driver can

2057
01:47:09,907 --> 01:47:14,547
Speaker 24: lead the progression of the team because engineers want to

2058
01:47:14,587 --> 01:47:17,547
Speaker 24: work with certain people, Sponsors want to sponsor certain people,

2059
01:47:18,667 --> 01:47:21,747
Speaker 24: team want to mold around certain people. It's very political

2060
01:47:21,827 --> 01:47:27,227
Speaker 24: in some ways motorsport. That there's talent, but that gets

2061
01:47:27,267 --> 01:47:31,867
Speaker 24: you so far. Then there's the work ethic, the relationships,

2062
01:47:32,267 --> 01:47:34,467
Speaker 24: the structure, all that sort of stuff that goes with it.

2063
01:47:34,587 --> 01:47:39,267
Speaker 24: So an inferior driver doesn't bring all those key traits.

2064
01:47:40,467 --> 01:47:43,467
Speaker 24: A good driver will get that team to a position

2065
01:47:43,547 --> 01:47:46,467
Speaker 24: that just takes time. So sort of two part answer.

2066
01:47:46,707 --> 01:47:49,147
Speaker 24: But you need the whole skill set to win in

2067
01:47:49,187 --> 01:47:52,547
Speaker 24: motorspoort and longevity then is very tough. That's how you've

2068
01:47:52,587 --> 01:47:56,107
Speaker 24: got A good driver has a long career with good structure.

2069
01:47:57,587 --> 01:48:00,387
Speaker 24: A talented driver that doesn't have all that. They float

2070
01:48:00,427 --> 01:48:02,507
Speaker 24: in and out. They come when the team's good, they win.

2071
01:48:02,587 --> 01:48:05,347
Speaker 24: When they don't they don't. So two part sort of

2072
01:48:05,387 --> 01:48:08,027
Speaker 24: answer their long answer. But a good driver will always

2073
01:48:08,067 --> 01:48:09,307
Speaker 24: have for the whole package.

2074
01:48:09,627 --> 01:48:13,867
Speaker 3: No great in fantastic inside Mark as Key, we motorsport fans.

2075
01:48:13,907 --> 01:48:16,667
Speaker 3: We've loved watching Scotty McLoughlin and Shane van Gisberg and

2076
01:48:17,027 --> 01:48:19,587
Speaker 3: compete in supercarstuff. Now of course both moved on to

2077
01:48:20,227 --> 01:48:22,507
Speaker 3: two different classes and are doing very well in them.

2078
01:48:22,507 --> 01:48:25,267
Speaker 3: But we are quite excited about young key We Matt

2079
01:48:25,347 --> 01:48:27,827
Speaker 3: Paine who's in supercars at the moment only twenty two.

2080
01:48:27,867 --> 01:48:29,187
Speaker 3: I know you've had the chance to spend a bit

2081
01:48:29,227 --> 01:48:31,707
Speaker 3: of time with them. What do you predict for Matt pain.

2082
01:48:33,667 --> 01:48:36,347
Speaker 24: Yeah, you are so lucky over there with your depth

2083
01:48:36,387 --> 01:48:40,387
Speaker 24: of drivers, you know, and I think what they have

2084
01:48:40,747 --> 01:48:44,027
Speaker 24: is something very special. They're very talented, but they they

2085
01:48:44,187 --> 01:48:46,307
Speaker 24: have that whole package.

2086
01:48:46,387 --> 01:48:47,147
Speaker 18: They're very.

2087
01:48:49,027 --> 01:48:50,747
Speaker 24: They're ready to go like they come and they're not

2088
01:48:50,827 --> 01:48:54,467
Speaker 24: intimidated and they're ready to go and you know Scott

2089
01:48:54,707 --> 01:48:57,467
Speaker 24: McLaughlin and Van Gisberg and have gone on to do

2090
01:48:57,587 --> 01:48:58,347
Speaker 24: amazing things.

2091
01:48:59,307 --> 01:49:01,067
Speaker 18: Matt Pain's someone I rate really highly.

2092
01:49:01,387 --> 01:49:04,427
Speaker 24: I really like Matt and I think his skill set

2093
01:49:04,587 --> 01:49:07,867
Speaker 24: is that he at the age twenty one, has a

2094
01:49:07,907 --> 01:49:11,187
Speaker 24: head on his shoulders far above people are in their thirties,

2095
01:49:11,307 --> 01:49:18,947
Speaker 24: and he's experienced. He's unfazed. You don't know if he's happy, angry, nervous,

2096
01:49:19,107 --> 01:49:21,827
Speaker 24: whatever it is. And that's a skill that's very tough

2097
01:49:21,867 --> 01:49:25,027
Speaker 24: to have because you look at your competition and to

2098
01:49:25,147 --> 01:49:27,347
Speaker 24: beat them, you try and break them apart, like you

2099
01:49:27,427 --> 01:49:29,507
Speaker 24: look at their weaknesses. And when I look at Matt Pain,

2100
01:49:30,187 --> 01:49:32,747
Speaker 24: I can't tell what his weakness is. And that's scary

2101
01:49:32,787 --> 01:49:36,147
Speaker 24: as a driver because when he's fast, he's on, like

2102
01:49:36,827 --> 01:49:40,547
Speaker 24: ridiculously fast, and when he's not having the best weekend,

2103
01:49:40,587 --> 01:49:43,667
Speaker 24: he still ends up up there somehow, And that's maturity

2104
01:49:43,747 --> 01:49:47,227
Speaker 24: and very tough to do. So a lot of time

2105
01:49:47,307 --> 01:49:51,027
Speaker 24: for that, and I think, yeah, he's a champion in

2106
01:49:51,107 --> 01:49:53,947
Speaker 24: the future, if not this here, if he gets it done.

2107
01:49:54,067 --> 01:49:57,867
Speaker 24: So he's got really good traits. People love him and

2108
01:49:59,867 --> 01:50:02,227
Speaker 24: another thing he does very well he doesn't have enemies

2109
01:50:02,547 --> 01:50:05,867
Speaker 24: and you need allies. When you raise you need allies.

2110
01:50:06,387 --> 01:50:08,787
Speaker 24: Everyone loves him and he's a tough race He can

2111
01:50:08,867 --> 01:50:10,467
Speaker 24: race you tougher than anyone.

2112
01:50:10,627 --> 01:50:11,947
Speaker 18: But your hot band. You just want to give him

2113
01:50:11,947 --> 01:50:12,227
Speaker 18: a hug.

2114
01:50:12,267 --> 01:50:14,507
Speaker 24: He's not one of those blokes that's super likable, so

2115
01:50:15,427 --> 01:50:17,707
Speaker 24: he's doing everything well on and off the track, which

2116
01:50:17,827 --> 01:50:19,507
Speaker 24: is very tough to do.

2117
01:50:19,787 --> 01:50:22,267
Speaker 3: Can't wait to see what the future holds for Matt Pain.

2118
01:50:23,067 --> 01:50:24,867
Speaker 3: Do you miss full time driving?

2119
01:50:25,787 --> 01:50:28,027
Speaker 18: Uh No, not really at the moment.

2120
01:50:29,547 --> 01:50:31,227
Speaker 24: I did drive the car the other day and got

2121
01:50:31,267 --> 01:50:34,507
Speaker 24: the bug back. Like it's when you're in there and

2122
01:50:35,307 --> 01:50:38,507
Speaker 24: on a test day and you're trying to wring its

2123
01:50:38,587 --> 01:50:38,947
Speaker 24: neck And.

2124
01:50:40,507 --> 01:50:41,667
Speaker 18: I miss that no doubt.

2125
01:50:41,747 --> 01:50:43,947
Speaker 24: But it's been good going to the track with my

2126
01:50:44,067 --> 01:50:48,547
Speaker 24: super two boys and just enjoying it, like you're going

2127
01:50:48,627 --> 01:50:52,987
Speaker 24: there in a different mindset because when you race, you

2128
01:50:53,547 --> 01:50:56,707
Speaker 24: get this, like I said, tear people are part type thing.

2129
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Speaker 24: So you go to the track, you go to your garage,

2130
01:50:59,107 --> 01:51:02,027
Speaker 24: you've got your group around you, you say hi to people,

2131
01:51:02,107 --> 01:51:04,627
Speaker 24: but you're looking at things like or like how am

2132
01:51:04,667 --> 01:51:06,227
Speaker 24: I going to beat that bloke today? And you're trying

2133
01:51:06,227 --> 01:51:08,787
Speaker 24: to break them down. Where Now I go to the

2134
01:51:08,907 --> 01:51:11,667
Speaker 24: track and everyone's my friend. They're not maning me at

2135
01:51:11,667 --> 01:51:14,427
Speaker 24: the moment and till the next couple of weeks anyway.

2136
01:51:14,507 --> 01:51:18,587
Speaker 24: But it's been nice to go and I don't know,

2137
01:51:18,707 --> 01:51:21,307
Speaker 24: be part of an environment that's got a lot of

2138
01:51:21,347 --> 01:51:23,267
Speaker 24: good people and you've seen good in everyone, which is

2139
01:51:23,347 --> 01:51:28,227
Speaker 24: really nice. And watching some really good racing and yeah,

2140
01:51:28,307 --> 01:51:30,467
Speaker 24: getting to commentate it rounds and help my super two

2141
01:51:30,547 --> 01:51:33,627
Speaker 24: boys and just been around. I've been at every race anyway,

2142
01:51:33,787 --> 01:51:37,427
Speaker 24: but not yet. But I think once you get back

2143
01:51:37,467 --> 01:51:39,307
Speaker 24: in the car and you feel that start line and

2144
01:51:39,867 --> 01:51:42,307
Speaker 24: you know the nerves at the start and the qualifying

2145
01:51:42,467 --> 01:51:46,667
Speaker 24: and that's addictive, that stuff, and it'll trigger something in

2146
01:51:46,747 --> 01:51:49,707
Speaker 24: there that's still there. But I'm pretty happy at the

2147
01:51:49,707 --> 01:51:51,267
Speaker 24: moment with how everything's going.

2148
01:51:51,627 --> 01:51:55,147
Speaker 3: Well, there's that word again, addictive. Mark. The books are cracker, mate.

2149
01:51:55,227 --> 01:51:58,427
Speaker 3: I hope you sell heaps of them. Congratulations on it

2150
01:51:58,667 --> 01:52:01,867
Speaker 3: and I thoroughly enjoyed chatting to you this afternoon. Thanks

2151
01:52:01,907 --> 01:52:02,507
Speaker 3: for taking the time.

2152
01:52:02,747 --> 01:52:03,467
Speaker 18: Really appreciate it.

2153
01:52:03,587 --> 01:52:05,827
Speaker 3: Thank you, no, thank you, mate. That is Mark winter Bottom,

2154
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Speaker 3: his autobiography out now, frost Eat, the incredible true story

2155
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Speaker 3: of the boy from Dunsaid who became a Bathurst King.

2156
01:52:13,227 --> 01:52:16,427
Speaker 3: I can highly recommend it to you. Twenty one away

2157
01:52:16,547 --> 01:52:19,667
Speaker 3: from three. We're off two in the cargo shortly where

2158
01:52:19,747 --> 01:52:23,227
Speaker 3: one of Southland Rugby's favorite sons, Jason Rutledge is standing

2159
01:52:23,267 --> 01:52:25,147
Speaker 3: by a chat to us out of the Shield Challenge

2160
01:52:25,187 --> 01:52:28,307
Speaker 3: this afternoon for the Stags against Waitkuttle up in Hamilton

2161
01:52:28,387 --> 01:52:30,907
Speaker 3: at a live sport Jerry Collins Stadium half an hour

2162
01:52:30,947 --> 01:52:35,427
Speaker 3: gone Wellington seventeen, Auckland seven. And at the US Tennis Open,

2163
01:52:35,587 --> 01:52:38,147
Speaker 3: third seed Alexander Zverev's in a bit of a battle

2164
01:52:38,587 --> 01:52:40,667
Speaker 3: in his third round singles match. He's up against the

2165
01:52:40,787 --> 01:52:45,387
Speaker 3: Canadian twenty fifth seed Felix Ogier ali Asim. Zverev won

2166
01:52:45,427 --> 01:52:48,987
Speaker 3: the first set six to four. Oga Aliyashim has won

2167
01:52:49,027 --> 01:52:51,467
Speaker 3: the second two. He has two sets to one ahead

2168
01:52:51,907 --> 01:52:55,227
Speaker 3: of Zverev. Zverev with a three to two lead in

2169
01:52:55,267 --> 01:52:58,427
Speaker 3: the fourth with matches going to serve. So are we

2170
01:52:58,507 --> 01:53:01,787
Speaker 3: about to lose one of the top seeds in the tournament?

2171
01:53:01,867 --> 01:53:04,187
Speaker 3: Alexander Verev with a little bit of work to do

2172
01:53:05,107 --> 01:53:08,147
Speaker 3: twenty one to three. Jason Rutletje on the radio with

2173
01:53:08,267 --> 01:53:08,667
Speaker 3: us after.

2174
01:53:08,587 --> 01:53:11,387
Speaker 2: This it's more than just a game.

2175
01:53:11,747 --> 01:53:16,827
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Paine and TJ. Garnomes, New Zealand's.

2176
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2177
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Speaker 3: Be seventeen to three. Just before we get to the

2178
01:53:20,747 --> 01:53:22,507
Speaker 3: ran Philly Shield. Just want to take you back twenty

2179
01:53:22,547 --> 01:53:26,427
Speaker 3: four hours because on Saturdays we play a sporting chance

2180
01:53:26,907 --> 01:53:29,147
Speaker 3: with the tab. This is where we offer a lucky

2181
01:53:29,227 --> 01:53:32,707
Speaker 3: caller the choice of three bets and they decide which

2182
01:53:32,747 --> 01:53:35,187
Speaker 3: one they want. We place a one hundred and fifty

2183
01:53:35,227 --> 01:53:38,467
Speaker 3: dollars bonus bet on their behalf and if it comes home,

2184
01:53:38,987 --> 01:53:41,867
Speaker 3: the winnings minus the initial one fifty are theirs. So

2185
01:53:42,067 --> 01:53:45,547
Speaker 3: yesterday Robert was our lucky caller. I gave him as

2186
01:53:45,587 --> 01:53:48,427
Speaker 3: three options. Cowboys to beat the Broncos. That pays you

2187
01:53:48,547 --> 01:53:52,187
Speaker 3: two hundred and seventeen to fifty. Liam Lawson to qualify

2188
01:53:52,227 --> 01:53:54,387
Speaker 3: in the top ten. That pays you three hundred and

2189
01:53:54,467 --> 01:53:58,427
Speaker 3: seventy five. Burnley to beat Manchester United, that pays you

2190
01:53:58,547 --> 01:54:01,387
Speaker 3: one thousand and fifty. Which one would you like?

2191
01:54:02,427 --> 01:54:04,547
Speaker 7: I think I would like the Liam Lawton one.

2192
01:54:04,947 --> 01:54:08,427
Speaker 3: A very wise decision from Robert twenty four hours ago, because,

2193
01:54:08,507 --> 01:54:11,747
Speaker 3: as we now know, Liam Lawson did qualify inside the

2194
01:54:11,827 --> 01:54:16,507
Speaker 3: top ten, eighth fastest. Therefore, Robert has profited to the

2195
01:54:16,587 --> 01:54:19,147
Speaker 3: tune of three hundred and seventy five dollars which were

2196
01:54:19,307 --> 01:54:23,787
Speaker 3: delighted to pass on to him. Congratulations mate, and thank

2197
01:54:23,867 --> 01:54:26,867
Speaker 3: you to everybody who inquired about it. Yes, indeed we

2198
01:54:26,947 --> 01:54:30,107
Speaker 3: had another winner on a sporting chance and it returns

2199
01:54:30,747 --> 01:54:34,787
Speaker 3: next Saturday on the show bit Responsibly, the most famous

2200
01:54:34,827 --> 01:54:37,547
Speaker 3: trophy in New Zealand sport goes on the line this afternoon. Meantime,

2201
01:54:38,267 --> 01:54:40,427
Speaker 3: beg it comes Tiff Kiln's daving.

2202
01:54:40,467 --> 01:54:43,787
Speaker 14: He gets us as a judge, maybe says it's all over.

2203
01:54:44,547 --> 01:54:51,307
Speaker 3: Why Hello have won the Radvilly Shell twenty three twenty

2204
01:54:51,547 --> 01:54:55,747
Speaker 3: two and a heart stopper and just eight days after

2205
01:54:55,827 --> 01:54:58,867
Speaker 3: they won it from Taranaki White cut Or defend the

2206
01:54:58,987 --> 01:55:02,107
Speaker 3: Ramfury Shield against Southland this afternoon four point thirty five

2207
01:55:02,147 --> 01:55:05,027
Speaker 3: in Hamilton. The last time Southland had the Shield was

2208
01:55:05,107 --> 01:55:07,547
Speaker 3: twenty eleven. They won it in the final game of

2209
01:55:07,627 --> 01:55:11,107
Speaker 3: the two thousand and nine season, beating Canterbury nine three

2210
01:55:11,227 --> 01:55:14,187
Speaker 3: in christ Church. They then held off six challenges before

2211
01:55:14,267 --> 01:55:17,027
Speaker 3: Canterbury won it back from them late in the twenty

2212
01:55:17,187 --> 01:55:20,507
Speaker 3: ten season. Southland then won it back in twenty eleven,

2213
01:55:20,627 --> 01:55:24,147
Speaker 3: again beating Canterbury twenty two to nineteen and after two

2214
01:55:24,267 --> 01:55:27,747
Speaker 3: successful defens as Taranaki took it from them in August

2215
01:55:27,827 --> 01:55:31,507
Speaker 3: twenty eleven. The Stags haven't had their hands on it since,

2216
01:55:32,147 --> 01:55:36,947
Speaker 3: with eight unsuccessful challenges in the fourteen years since then.

2217
01:55:36,987 --> 01:55:40,307
Speaker 3: The closest they came are twenty all draw with Hawks

2218
01:55:40,387 --> 01:55:44,187
Speaker 3: Bay in twenty fourteen. Hooker Jason Rutliche played one hundred

2219
01:55:44,187 --> 01:55:46,707
Speaker 3: and forty three games for Southland over a twenty year

2220
01:55:46,867 --> 01:55:49,907
Speaker 3: period from two thousand to the year twenty twenty. The

2221
01:55:49,987 --> 01:55:51,787
Speaker 3: last of those was at the age of forty two,

2222
01:55:52,387 --> 01:55:55,747
Speaker 3: making him the oldest player ever to play for Southland.

2223
01:55:56,067 --> 01:55:59,547
Speaker 3: Jason rutlie is with US. Jason talked about that nine game.

2224
01:55:59,627 --> 01:56:02,027
Speaker 3: You were part of that team that won the Shield

2225
01:56:02,107 --> 01:56:04,267
Speaker 3: in two thousand and nine at the old Jade Stadium.

2226
01:56:04,347 --> 01:56:07,267
Speaker 3: That was pre earthquake. I hadn't held in Southland since

2227
01:56:07,427 --> 01:56:11,307
Speaker 3: nineteen fifty nine. So how memorable a day in your

2228
01:56:11,387 --> 01:56:14,307
Speaker 3: rugby career and for the Southland Union was that?

2229
01:56:15,147 --> 01:56:15,267
Speaker 20: Oh?

2230
01:56:15,307 --> 01:56:19,867
Speaker 12: I know there was special pony. We've tried a number

2231
01:56:19,907 --> 01:56:24,107
Speaker 12: of times before that and come close once or twice,

2232
01:56:24,147 --> 01:56:28,187
Speaker 12: but we've also got a lot of hiding so yeah,

2233
01:56:28,187 --> 01:56:31,667
Speaker 12: it was. Yeah, just as you got closer and closer

2234
01:56:31,667 --> 01:56:33,507
Speaker 12: to full time, you start thinking, shit, this.

2235
01:56:33,627 --> 01:56:34,467
Speaker 20: Is going to happen, or.

2236
01:56:36,467 --> 01:56:37,987
Speaker 12: I'm going to be hard on a tack and then

2237
01:56:38,067 --> 01:56:40,227
Speaker 12: we managed to turn over the ball and kick it

2238
01:56:40,307 --> 01:56:43,027
Speaker 12: out and all of a sudden, yeah it actually happens.

2239
01:56:43,347 --> 01:56:43,547
Speaker 22: It was.

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Speaker 12: It was very special time and to be able to

2241
01:56:47,987 --> 01:56:49,947
Speaker 12: have the shield for the whole summer, it was awesome

2242
01:56:49,987 --> 01:56:52,387
Speaker 12: for the province. And just as you said there, like

2243
01:56:52,707 --> 01:56:55,867
Speaker 12: nineteen fifty nine was the last time, so that fifty

2244
01:56:55,907 --> 01:56:59,107
Speaker 12: year gap to break the hoodoo was pretty unreal for

2245
01:56:59,187 --> 01:56:59,747
Speaker 12: the province.

2246
01:57:00,027 --> 01:57:02,947
Speaker 3: A try this game nine to three, Robbie Robinson kicked

2247
01:57:02,987 --> 01:57:06,307
Speaker 3: three penalties for you, Stephen Brett with a solitary drop

2248
01:57:06,427 --> 01:57:08,027
Speaker 3: golf of Canterbury that day. Was it just a real

2249
01:57:08,107 --> 01:57:09,147
Speaker 3: arm wrestle that day?

2250
01:57:10,187 --> 01:57:13,947
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think last those Back in those days, you

2251
01:57:13,947 --> 01:57:17,587
Speaker 12: always heard about the Canterbury team talking about defense wins titles,

2252
01:57:17,627 --> 01:57:20,987
Speaker 12: and I think we probably went down that road a

2253
01:57:21,027 --> 01:57:23,947
Speaker 12: bit ourselves with their defense. We had some pretty low

2254
01:57:23,987 --> 01:57:26,227
Speaker 12: scoring defenses. I think there was a six to three

2255
01:57:26,347 --> 01:57:30,587
Speaker 12: game against aucklandm there. So we were a very tight

2256
01:57:30,707 --> 01:57:33,667
Speaker 12: knitted sort of group of guys that all defended for

2257
01:57:33,747 --> 01:57:38,547
Speaker 12: each other. And yeah, it was definitely an arm wrestle

2258
01:57:38,587 --> 01:57:41,547
Speaker 12: and to come out on top. Obviously, Robbie kicked some

2259
01:57:41,867 --> 01:57:44,467
Speaker 12: bloody good goals to put us in front and drove

2260
01:57:44,547 --> 01:57:47,067
Speaker 12: us around. So that's when you have a good thought

2261
01:57:47,147 --> 01:57:49,627
Speaker 12: back and a ten that's driving around the paddock can

2262
01:57:49,707 --> 01:57:50,587
Speaker 12: be quite hard to stop.

2263
01:57:50,987 --> 01:57:52,707
Speaker 3: What was it like having it, as you say, over

2264
01:57:52,747 --> 01:57:56,027
Speaker 3: the summer, because that was the last ren Philly Shield

2265
01:57:56,067 --> 01:57:57,747
Speaker 3: game of nine, you had it right through the summer

2266
01:57:57,787 --> 01:57:59,507
Speaker 3: and then for most of twenty ten as well. What

2267
01:57:59,627 --> 01:58:01,867
Speaker 3: was it like having the log of wood in the

2268
01:58:01,987 --> 01:58:02,867
Speaker 3: Southland province?

2269
01:58:05,467 --> 01:58:09,107
Speaker 12: That's I suppose every province probably tries their best to

2270
01:58:09,427 --> 01:58:12,827
Speaker 12: get the shield out, but I think we just had

2271
01:58:12,867 --> 01:58:14,667
Speaker 12: a We had a book at Rugby South and and

2272
01:58:14,667 --> 01:58:16,867
Speaker 12: people were booking it up to take away the funerals

2273
01:58:16,947 --> 01:58:21,387
Speaker 12: and weddings and birthday parties and all sorts. So it's

2274
01:58:21,427 --> 01:58:23,987
Speaker 12: spent there. It got right round south and then probably

2275
01:58:24,027 --> 01:58:25,907
Speaker 12: into parts of the Tago as well to get a

2276
01:58:25,947 --> 01:58:30,827
Speaker 12: look around because it hadn't been Otago for a long time. Yeah,

2277
01:58:30,907 --> 01:58:32,827
Speaker 12: it was great and then the whole planning of the

2278
01:58:33,627 --> 01:58:36,907
Speaker 12: we could plan their their destiny the next year as

2279
01:58:36,947 --> 01:58:40,587
Speaker 12: well with their three defenses against the Hartley and Champions

2280
01:58:40,667 --> 01:58:44,147
Speaker 12: Wanganui and North Otago and then then into the big

2281
01:58:44,227 --> 01:58:47,987
Speaker 12: one against Otago and to have I think it was

2282
01:58:49,027 --> 01:58:53,547
Speaker 12: Rugby Park and the train parked out one hundred meters

2283
01:58:53,547 --> 01:58:55,947
Speaker 12: away from the ground with full of the Tago ones

2284
01:58:55,987 --> 01:58:58,747
Speaker 12: coming down. It was pretty awesome that we could have

2285
01:58:58,787 --> 01:59:01,427
Speaker 12: planned that whole thing out and and as you say,

2286
01:59:01,507 --> 01:59:05,587
Speaker 12: hold on to it for six or seven defenses as well.

2287
01:59:05,667 --> 01:59:06,907
Speaker 12: So it was was pretty good.

2288
01:59:07,067 --> 01:59:07,227
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2289
01:59:07,267 --> 01:59:09,227
Speaker 3: So you then lost it to Canterbury, won it back

2290
01:59:09,307 --> 01:59:12,547
Speaker 3: off Canterbury, then lost it to Tallanaki. What what's it

2291
01:59:12,867 --> 01:59:16,067
Speaker 3: like losing the shield as holder of the shield?

2292
01:59:19,827 --> 01:59:22,747
Speaker 12: Like that game we lost to Cannabary. Cannabury sent down

2293
01:59:22,987 --> 01:59:26,787
Speaker 12: like all weak laden team and we weren't far away

2294
01:59:26,867 --> 01:59:30,147
Speaker 12: and we threw everything at it. Like I think it's

2295
01:59:30,547 --> 01:59:32,947
Speaker 12: the public still got right in behind us. They knew

2296
01:59:32,947 --> 01:59:36,787
Speaker 12: you would thrown everything at it. And it's it's not easy,

2297
01:59:37,507 --> 01:59:40,707
Speaker 12: but I think it's great for the for the whole.

2298
01:59:40,787 --> 01:59:42,747
Speaker 12: Logger would to make sure it travels around a bit

2299
01:59:42,827 --> 01:59:46,707
Speaker 12: and you, as as Wykado would have noticed this week,

2300
01:59:46,747 --> 01:59:48,787
Speaker 12: it brings a whole new men into the game and

2301
01:59:49,187 --> 01:59:50,707
Speaker 12: whole new vive to the province.

2302
01:59:51,547 --> 01:59:53,827
Speaker 3: Well, let's look at today's game. The Stags lost their

2303
01:59:53,867 --> 01:59:56,587
Speaker 3: first two games this season, but have beat Mona wit

2304
01:59:56,627 --> 01:59:58,427
Speaker 3: two at home. That was that come from behind when

2305
01:59:58,467 --> 02:00:01,027
Speaker 3: and then they have Plenty away last weekend. What chance

2306
02:00:01,507 --> 02:00:04,947
Speaker 3: do you give them, Joseph, of continuing that momentum and

2307
02:00:05,227 --> 02:00:07,547
Speaker 3: bringing that log back to and v Cargo later today?

2308
02:00:08,827 --> 02:00:12,747
Speaker 12: Well, a really good chance. There's some really good X

2309
02:00:12,827 --> 02:00:15,627
Speaker 12: factor in the back line that are scoring some pretty

2310
02:00:15,947 --> 02:00:19,307
Speaker 12: sensational tries. But then you've also got some really hard

2311
02:00:19,347 --> 02:00:23,907
Speaker 12: working forwards like Jack Taylor and Sean Whee. So me

2312
02:00:24,027 --> 02:00:27,027
Speaker 12: see at number eight who's really dynamic and really hard

2313
02:00:27,067 --> 02:00:29,507
Speaker 12: to stop. So I've got a really good balance at

2314
02:00:29,547 --> 02:00:32,307
Speaker 12: the moment. Probably a wee bit of bad news, I

2315
02:00:32,427 --> 02:00:36,467
Speaker 12: think Mika Mully owners had to pull out with a hamstring,

2316
02:00:36,587 --> 02:00:38,787
Speaker 12: so really looking forward to having them at ten and

2317
02:00:39,427 --> 02:00:41,547
Speaker 12: driving them around, so that that's a bit of a loss.

2318
02:00:41,627 --> 02:00:45,467
Speaker 12: But yeah, and the young half back as well, he's

2319
02:00:45,547 --> 02:00:49,107
Speaker 12: going well as well, so they're definitely planning some good footy.

2320
02:00:50,027 --> 02:00:51,907
Speaker 12: Sort of been down twenty two and against Money or

2321
02:00:51,907 --> 02:00:54,547
Speaker 12: two and then be able to bring themselves back into

2322
02:00:54,587 --> 02:00:57,827
Speaker 12: that and when that was awesome, and then the same

2323
02:00:57,827 --> 02:00:59,907
Speaker 12: against bay A plenty to come home at the end

2324
02:00:59,987 --> 02:01:03,827
Speaker 12: and when that they're playing some good foot and yeah, jeez,

2325
02:01:03,867 --> 02:01:06,267
Speaker 12: loga would do. Anyone's a chance, so yeah.

2326
02:01:06,387 --> 02:01:06,707
Speaker 20: Bring it on.

2327
02:01:07,027 --> 02:01:08,827
Speaker 3: Is that Mills Mulley owner's boy.

2328
02:01:10,147 --> 02:01:11,667
Speaker 12: No, No, that's his nephew.

2329
02:01:11,827 --> 02:01:12,467
Speaker 3: Nephew've got you.

2330
02:01:13,707 --> 02:01:16,987
Speaker 12: He actually played midfield for Southern as well his dad,

2331
02:01:17,147 --> 02:01:21,187
Speaker 12: so he played, yeah back and what is he about

2332
02:01:21,187 --> 02:01:23,827
Speaker 12: two thousand and two thousand and two. Yeah, so it

2333
02:01:23,947 --> 02:01:26,387
Speaker 12: was good to keep him in the province. Actually, there'd

2334
02:01:26,427 --> 02:01:28,787
Speaker 12: be a few people looking around New Zealand to try

2335
02:01:28,827 --> 02:01:30,827
Speaker 12: and snap them, but yeah, we locked them in here.

2336
02:01:30,947 --> 02:01:33,827
Speaker 12: So he's he's been going really good the first four games,

2337
02:01:33,867 --> 02:01:36,667
Speaker 12: but it would be nice to see him out there today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a shame. That is a shame. Now did

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Speaker 3: I read Are you still playing club rugby?

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Speaker 12: I am yeh No. We we won the club final

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Speaker 12: this year actually, so that was my eleventh club title,

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Speaker 12: so it was it was pretty awesome. So still still

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Speaker 12: hanging in there because I saw it when you're when

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Speaker 12: you're hocker, we have to throw the ball and then

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Speaker 12: scrums makes it a bit easier.

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Speaker 3: Well, you played eighty minutes in the final to win

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Speaker 3: the Girl Bright Shield, as you say, for the eleventh

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Speaker 3: of time with Woodlands. So what are we just sort

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Speaker 3: of do you just make a decision every sort of

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Speaker 3: January February there you'll go around again.

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Speaker 7: Oh, I just.

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Speaker 12: I'm not not too sure. I just I love playing

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Speaker 12: my footy. It's cold and dark and south in the

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Speaker 12: middle the winter. It's not much else to do. Get

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Speaker 12: you out of the house, get along the training, flavor

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Speaker 12: the footy and then enjoy a beer or two at

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Speaker 12: the clubrooms, catch up with people. So I think it's

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Speaker 12: good for me personally. I still love it and if

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Speaker 12: I can still so, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Love it. Jase, Well, I think everybody outside of the

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Speaker 3: Waycata region hopes Southland wins it this afternoon. I think

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Speaker 3: it'll be nice to have it back down there for

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Speaker 3: the first time since twenty eleven. Thanks for chatting to us, mate,

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Speaker 3: and we look forward to seeing what plays out at

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Speaker 3: FMG Stadium in a few hours time. Good airs, Thanks Tonny, No,

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Speaker 3: thank you, Jason. Jason Rutled's there four to thirty five

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Speaker 3: kickoff in Hamilton as Southland try and win the shield off.

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Speaker 3: Wait cutthole eight to three new stalks.

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Speaker 1: It me analyzing every view from every angle in the

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Speaker 1: Sporting World to Weekends for it with Jason Pie they

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Speaker 1: call eighty News Talk zenb.

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Speaker 2: Five to three.

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Speaker 3: That's Weekend Sport for today. Tim Beveridge is on your

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Speaker 3: radio after three o'clock with the Sunday edition of the

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Speaker 3: Weekend Collective. We're back tomorrow night on Sports Talk, wrapping

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Speaker 3: the weekend and of course rating the weekend as well

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Speaker 3: with Piney's Bower rankings around ten to eight tomorrow night.

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Speaker 3: Hughes thanks to Any McDonald for producing the show today,

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Speaker 3: thank you for listening in and for taking part lots

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Speaker 3: of great discussion to take us out today. The song

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Speaker 3: that Opshop leads singer Jason Kerison and a singing troop

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Speaker 3: of Southlanders wrote back in twenty seventeen to try and

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Speaker 3: breathe some new life and to Rugby Southland. It's called

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Speaker 3: the Southern Dream. And I think, as I said to

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Speaker 3: Jason Rutledge, unless you live in Whitehuttle, we're all teams

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Speaker 3: Southland this afternoon, aren't we get that shield? Back down

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Speaker 3: to in Vicago

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