1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Gavin Gray UK correspondence with Uskevin Allo. I'll have to 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: check that out, okay, Gvin. It's slightly awkward because you 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: are looking at funeral photos when you do this, so 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: I'm inappropriate what we're discussing. But go and have a 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: look and then you know, and you could see Elton 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: John aged thirty one basically now on the ICC business 7 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: with Binyamin Ninyahu. What is the UK's position. Are they 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: going to arrest. 9 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: Him or not? Well, that's what's being asked of government ministers. 10 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 2: Europe has come out in very very strong support of 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: the arrest warrants. The EU Foreign Policy Chief Josette Burrell said, 12 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: it's not a political decision that's been made. It should 13 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: be respected and implemented by the entire block of Europe. 14 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 2: Now in practice, of course, that means that if Benyaminetna 15 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 2: who steps onto the soil of the European Bloc, he 16 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: should be arrested, as would be his former defense minister 17 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: and if still alive, the military command of Hammers so 18 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,199 Speaker 2: Europe coming out very strongly in support of this. Let's 19 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 2: not forget the ICC. The International Criminal Court is based 20 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: in the Hague in the Netherlands and Israel and the 21 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: US are not one of the two one of the 22 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty four member states, so they don't 23 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 2: have to do that, they don't have to recognize it. 24 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 2: But certainly of the one hundred and twenty four member states, 25 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: it would appear that, yes, they will be arrested as 26 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 2: they touch down there, right, But. 27 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: I mean, you speak of Europe doing it, but then 28 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: France has said it's legally complex and that they haven't 29 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: committed to arresting. So this seems to be a little 30 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: bit of wavering within the block. 31 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, as is always heather with the block of 32 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 2: the European Union. A little bit of disagreements, but certainly 33 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 2: I think you know that that is a binding thing, 34 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 2: that it's all together in one block. So yeah, I'm 35 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: not quite sure how France are going to get out 36 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: of it. But each country will feel very uncomfortable about this, 37 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: I'm sure. 38 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: And then what do they do, Jubby? Do they continue that? 39 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: Do they say, you know, in one breath, yep, Okay, fine, 40 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: we're going to arrest the guy if he lands here. 41 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: But then on the other hand they continue to supply 42 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: him with the arms to commit these alleged crimes. 43 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: M Yeah, and that's been the argument all along. Some 44 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: big supplies here in the UK to Israel for arms. However, 45 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: having said that, a drop in the ocean of all 46 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: the combined sales of arms from the EU and the 47 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 2: UK when you compare it to the amount of arms 48 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 2: going from America. So although it's quite a big trade, 49 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: it's absolutely minute in comparison to what that trade is 50 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: from America. 51 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: Hey, so it turns out you guys came really really 52 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: close to running out of your gowns and your personal 53 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: protective equipment and stuff during COVID, didn't you. 54 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: Yes, So some awkward exchanges for the former Minister for 55 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: Health Matt Hancock here during the COVID pandemic inquiry, and 56 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 2: in that evidence he was giving evidence for the third 57 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: time about the impact of the healthcare system and he 58 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 2: said there was never a quote national shortage of ppe 59 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 2: personal protective equipment for healthcare workers, but in some cases, 60 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: he said, they did run out and it was awful. Indeed, 61 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: there were rumors and photos of some nurses having to 62 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: wear plastic bin bags early in the COVID crisis, and 63 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: Matt Hancock said, we need to learn the lessons of 64 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 2: what went wrong and put in place better stock bars. 65 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: But he said some hospitals came within six or seven 66 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: hours of running out of gowns. Of course, what he's 67 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 2: also trying to say is that is why the procurement 68 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: system was so rapid. I would say, chaotics. So with 69 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: the critics, he would say, well, we had to act quickly, 70 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: which I can quite understand. These things always easy in hindsight, 71 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: of course, Heather. But yes, certainly a lot of money 72 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: was paid for some stock that was never used and 73 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: has since been either buried or burnt. Yeah. 74 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: Interesting, Kevin, Listen, how you guys reacting to this town 75 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: in Canada that's refew the elected members are refusing to 76 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: pledge allegiance to the king. 77 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, quite interesting. This It isn't actually the first time 78 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,119 Speaker 2: this has happened in Canada. In a couple of years back, 79 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: a French speaking province of Quebec past legislation that ended 80 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 2: the requirement to have elected officials take the oath on 81 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 2: the monarchy. But nevertheless, this is a very interesting thing. 82 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: So this is the one of the former gold rush towns, 83 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 2: and that's in Yukon territory. This is Dawson city, and 84 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 2: in that area lots of First Nation peoples were moved 85 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,799 Speaker 2: on for the gold Rush, and one of the newly 86 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 2: elected people is from the First Nations and is saying 87 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 2: I feel uncomfortable was the word used. He said, uncomfortable 88 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 2: in taking an allegiance to the royals when so much 89 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 2: has been done to my people. Now others are in 90 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: solidarity with him, and so consequently a whole new intake 91 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 2: of counselors refue using to swear the oath, and under 92 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: Yukon law they must swear the oath within forty days 93 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 2: of their election. The clock is ticking. They've only got 94 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 2: till the ninth of December. After that, well I think 95 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 2: they have to go for a whole new vote again, 96 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 2: and at the moment they are stuck in an impulse. 97 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: Oh Kevin, thank you very much, appreciate it, look after 98 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: yourself and enjoy your weekend. That's Kevin Gray, our UK correspondent. 99 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 100 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 101 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.