1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,507 Speaker 1: from News Talks. 3 00:00:11,507 --> 00:00:15,627 Speaker 2: AB Eight capped test players and a group of rising 4 00:00:15,707 --> 00:00:18,787 Speaker 2: young stars have been included in the thirty man All 5 00:00:18,827 --> 00:00:22,067 Speaker 2: Blacks fifteen squad for three games in Europe next month. 6 00:00:22,347 --> 00:00:26,227 Speaker 2: They will play the Barbarians in Brentford on Sunday November two, 7 00:00:26,427 --> 00:00:30,907 Speaker 2: New Zealand Time England a at Bath on Sunday November nine, 8 00:00:31,307 --> 00:00:35,067 Speaker 2: and then Uruguay at a venue to be confirmed on Sunday, 9 00:00:35,187 --> 00:00:38,987 Speaker 2: the sixteenth of November. All Blacks fifteen head coaches Jamie 10 00:00:39,067 --> 00:00:41,067 Speaker 2: Joseph who joins us now. Jamie, thanks for your time 11 00:00:41,067 --> 00:00:43,907 Speaker 2: this afternoon. Tell us about the process you went through. 12 00:00:44,787 --> 00:00:48,187 Speaker 2: How did you go about selecting your All Blacks fifteen squad. 13 00:00:49,587 --> 00:00:50,827 Speaker 3: Well, let's start at the EPC. 14 00:00:51,907 --> 00:00:56,107 Speaker 4: We had a big list of players that was given 15 00:00:56,107 --> 00:00:58,587 Speaker 4: to us from the All Black coaches. They obviously here's 16 00:00:59,587 --> 00:01:03,627 Speaker 4: you know and gets successful plans around the All Black team, 17 00:01:04,547 --> 00:01:07,627 Speaker 4: and then of course of the NPS see when we 18 00:01:07,787 --> 00:01:10,787 Speaker 4: as a taching team start of tracking that list plus 19 00:01:10,827 --> 00:01:13,507 Speaker 4: others in the games within the in can see and 20 00:01:13,547 --> 00:01:16,587 Speaker 4: then along the way we take on teaching up and 21 00:01:16,667 --> 00:01:19,467 Speaker 4: have them set around you know, who's informed, who's injured 22 00:01:19,907 --> 00:01:22,667 Speaker 4: that their original list to the to the final list. 23 00:01:22,947 --> 00:01:27,627 Speaker 4: I would say, you know, over half to teachings remains consistent. 24 00:01:27,707 --> 00:01:30,827 Speaker 4: So the tea players with regards to ziem footing and 25 00:01:31,107 --> 00:01:34,867 Speaker 4: in what a Black Coats see as you know, potential 26 00:01:34,907 --> 00:01:37,587 Speaker 4: all blacks. And then there's a group of guys that 27 00:01:37,707 --> 00:01:41,387 Speaker 4: has signed some form or some some Thomas that we'd 28 00:01:41,467 --> 00:01:44,707 Speaker 4: identified in the. 29 00:01:44,347 --> 00:01:45,347 Speaker 3: Much that we've made up the team. 30 00:01:45,907 --> 00:01:49,947 Speaker 2: When you're selecting younger guys with no international experience, Jamie, 31 00:01:49,947 --> 00:01:52,547 Speaker 2: what are you looking for to give you confidence that 32 00:01:52,587 --> 00:01:55,387 Speaker 2: they are ready and able to take that next step. 33 00:01:56,307 --> 00:01:59,547 Speaker 5: There's a number of things, I guess and this coaches 34 00:01:59,587 --> 00:02:03,027 Speaker 5: everyone values different things in the player. For me, really 35 00:02:03,187 --> 00:02:07,587 Speaker 5: has to have the potential mentally yea and physically and 36 00:02:08,427 --> 00:02:11,827 Speaker 5: I can't identify what I see as being integral at 37 00:02:11,867 --> 00:02:12,747 Speaker 5: that level of the game. 38 00:02:12,867 --> 00:02:14,747 Speaker 3: So you know things like resilience. 39 00:02:15,187 --> 00:02:18,467 Speaker 5: You know, it's more than having a work ethic and 40 00:02:18,547 --> 00:02:21,987 Speaker 5: it needs to be more instinctive and they can't be coached. 41 00:02:22,627 --> 00:02:24,507 Speaker 5: It's kind of those kind of two attributes to the 42 00:02:24,547 --> 00:02:26,507 Speaker 5: sort of things that I have. And then you have 43 00:02:26,587 --> 00:02:30,067 Speaker 5: the technical technical things you know that that players they 44 00:02:30,187 --> 00:02:32,987 Speaker 5: need to have the ability to pick up things really 45 00:02:33,027 --> 00:02:35,627 Speaker 5: quickly as a key one, but you don't know that 46 00:02:35,707 --> 00:02:38,387 Speaker 5: to your coaching And I guess the last. 47 00:02:38,147 --> 00:02:40,587 Speaker 4: One is when you're watching maybe players, since those players 48 00:02:40,587 --> 00:02:43,867 Speaker 4: that really anticipate the game really well tend to tend 49 00:02:43,947 --> 00:02:46,987 Speaker 4: to be the ones that can improve quickly. 50 00:02:47,187 --> 00:02:49,267 Speaker 3: And look, we've got a really sharp tour. 51 00:02:50,027 --> 00:02:52,107 Speaker 5: We don't have a lot of time to come together, 52 00:02:52,187 --> 00:02:53,547 Speaker 5: so that balance is really key. 53 00:02:53,747 --> 00:02:55,147 Speaker 2: At the other end of the scale, and you talk 54 00:02:55,147 --> 00:02:57,587 Speaker 2: about that balance, how important is it to have some 55 00:02:57,907 --> 00:03:00,907 Speaker 2: experienced all blacks in the side, like David HARVILLI like 56 00:03:00,987 --> 00:03:03,427 Speaker 2: Dalton Papali there in the squad as well. 57 00:03:04,187 --> 00:03:08,707 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, like we over there and soon you 58 00:03:08,707 --> 00:03:11,227 Speaker 5: shoul put a black juice young expectations that you win 59 00:03:11,827 --> 00:03:15,027 Speaker 5: that can that can be a real incentive for some 60 00:03:15,067 --> 00:03:16,227 Speaker 5: players and some other players. 61 00:03:16,387 --> 00:03:17,547 Speaker 3: So it's just a border pressure. 62 00:03:17,627 --> 00:03:20,787 Speaker 5: So having fellas that have been in those situations multiple 63 00:03:20,827 --> 00:03:21,867 Speaker 5: times is crucial. 64 00:03:22,027 --> 00:03:25,547 Speaker 3: And and you, I mean you've met you mentioned a. 65 00:03:25,467 --> 00:03:27,587 Speaker 5: Couple, but there's been a spec of those boys in 66 00:03:27,707 --> 00:03:31,027 Speaker 5: our team that have had had some experience. 67 00:03:30,547 --> 00:03:32,667 Speaker 3: At this level. So that's the exciting part. I guess 68 00:03:32,667 --> 00:03:33,667 Speaker 3: as a coaching team. 69 00:03:33,787 --> 00:03:36,667 Speaker 2: There's been a lot of clamor for Otago half back 70 00:03:36,707 --> 00:03:39,307 Speaker 2: Dylan Pledger. A lot of people thought he should have 71 00:03:39,347 --> 00:03:42,027 Speaker 2: been included in your squad. Can you just talk us 72 00:03:42,067 --> 00:03:45,187 Speaker 2: through the reasons why Dylan Pledger hasn't been included. 73 00:03:45,987 --> 00:03:48,267 Speaker 3: Yeah, I look, I look at I look at Dylan 74 00:03:48,347 --> 00:03:49,427 Speaker 3: and go, well, what a player. 75 00:03:51,427 --> 00:03:54,747 Speaker 5: He's just turned twenty, he's head his first NPC season 76 00:03:55,307 --> 00:03:57,947 Speaker 5: and I guess if the conversation is just about Dylan 77 00:03:58,027 --> 00:04:01,347 Speaker 5: and his rugby and his opportunity, then he should be 78 00:04:01,347 --> 00:04:03,587 Speaker 5: in the team. But when when you put him alongside 79 00:04:03,587 --> 00:04:07,947 Speaker 5: the guys that were selecting, who's compared with and Fukatava, 80 00:04:07,987 --> 00:04:11,907 Speaker 5: Preston and Rowe and then the boys from the All Blacks, 81 00:04:12,707 --> 00:04:15,467 Speaker 5: I think it's a it's a different context, you know. 82 00:04:15,707 --> 00:04:19,747 Speaker 5: And so he's got plenty of time, he's got a 83 00:04:19,787 --> 00:04:22,067 Speaker 5: whole career in front of him, and these other boys 84 00:04:22,067 --> 00:04:23,507 Speaker 5: have been playing very well as well. 85 00:04:23,627 --> 00:04:26,067 Speaker 3: So it's just a it's just a tough competition in 86 00:04:26,107 --> 00:04:26,667 Speaker 3: that position. 87 00:04:26,987 --> 00:04:29,587 Speaker 2: Just picking up Ontava, a guy you know well, of 88 00:04:29,587 --> 00:04:32,507 Speaker 2: course from coaching him at super level at the Highlanders. 89 00:04:32,667 --> 00:04:37,067 Speaker 2: Does Fatava still have All Blacks ambitions despite now being 90 00:04:37,147 --> 00:04:39,747 Speaker 2: eligible eligible rather to play for Tonga. 91 00:04:41,027 --> 00:04:41,987 Speaker 3: Oh absolutely. 92 00:04:42,707 --> 00:04:46,547 Speaker 5: I haven't talked specifically to Flow recently about his ambitions, 93 00:04:47,427 --> 00:04:51,147 Speaker 5: but I know the boy well obviously, and there's no 94 00:04:51,227 --> 00:04:53,467 Speaker 5: doubt in my mind that he wants to play at 95 00:04:53,507 --> 00:04:54,987 Speaker 5: the top of the game for you know, one of 96 00:04:55,027 --> 00:04:58,627 Speaker 5: the bit of teams in the world. So all Blacks 97 00:04:59,507 --> 00:05:00,787 Speaker 5: would be his priority for sure. 98 00:05:01,147 --> 00:05:03,467 Speaker 2: It's a short, sharp tour, just a three games. So 99 00:05:03,827 --> 00:05:06,627 Speaker 2: how will you ensure everyone gets a decent opportunit reready 100 00:05:06,667 --> 00:05:07,147 Speaker 2: on this tour. 101 00:05:07,867 --> 00:05:11,947 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's no guaranteessen like my man data is to 102 00:05:12,027 --> 00:05:14,547 Speaker 5: go out there, and you know, as we've sleep to 103 00:05:14,547 --> 00:05:16,347 Speaker 5: the group of players that we think can go over 104 00:05:16,987 --> 00:05:20,227 Speaker 5: in a short amount of time and perform, there's no 105 00:05:20,307 --> 00:05:22,547 Speaker 5: mandate that everyone has to get a certain amount of 106 00:05:22,587 --> 00:05:25,707 Speaker 5: game time. I mean, we're talking about the second best 107 00:05:25,707 --> 00:05:26,467 Speaker 5: team of the country. 108 00:05:28,027 --> 00:05:29,227 Speaker 3: But we're possible. 109 00:05:29,267 --> 00:05:33,427 Speaker 5: And you mentioned earlier on around the potential four Blecks 110 00:05:33,427 --> 00:05:35,867 Speaker 5: to drop down late in the week and so. 111 00:05:38,147 --> 00:05:39,867 Speaker 3: Those are the kinds of those are the kinds of 112 00:05:39,907 --> 00:05:40,347 Speaker 3: things that. 113 00:05:40,667 --> 00:05:44,187 Speaker 5: We've got a juggle works as New Zealand fifteen coaches. 114 00:05:44,507 --> 00:05:46,707 Speaker 2: You haven't named your captain yet. When will you do 115 00:05:46,867 --> 00:05:49,547 Speaker 2: that and how will you decide who your captain. 116 00:05:49,387 --> 00:05:52,187 Speaker 3: Is there's a few contenders. 117 00:05:52,227 --> 00:05:53,987 Speaker 5: I think there's a there's a couple of guys that 118 00:05:54,027 --> 00:05:57,387 Speaker 5: are that are keptaining their provincial sides and so they've got, 119 00:05:57,467 --> 00:06:00,387 Speaker 5: you know, confidence that they can lead. I guess that 120 00:06:00,427 --> 00:06:02,507 Speaker 5: the big one is who's going to who's going to 121 00:06:02,587 --> 00:06:05,307 Speaker 5: play all the games, and who's got the experience to 122 00:06:05,307 --> 00:06:06,747 Speaker 5: bring the team together quickly. 123 00:06:07,387 --> 00:06:10,227 Speaker 3: Then there's a couple of guys that you mentioned earlier. 124 00:06:09,907 --> 00:06:13,427 Speaker 5: On around around Balton and David Avelli that I've got 125 00:06:13,627 --> 00:06:16,267 Speaker 5: oodles of experience to be able to do that. I'm 126 00:06:16,307 --> 00:06:18,667 Speaker 5: also mindful a lot of those guys have come off 127 00:06:18,667 --> 00:06:21,707 Speaker 5: some pretty big years. You know, they generally if their 128 00:06:21,787 --> 00:06:26,627 Speaker 5: leaders and super rugby teams or NPC size then and 129 00:06:26,627 --> 00:06:28,547 Speaker 5: then this tour might be one where they just really 130 00:06:28,587 --> 00:06:30,467 Speaker 5: focus on, you know, three big games of footy. 131 00:06:30,627 --> 00:06:32,907 Speaker 3: So I'll make that decision when I meet them. I 132 00:06:32,947 --> 00:06:34,147 Speaker 3: haven't met all those players. 133 00:06:34,307 --> 00:06:38,747 Speaker 5: It's my first season back last year, so and we're 134 00:06:38,747 --> 00:06:43,067 Speaker 5: coming together next week, so shortly after that, I'd say, and. 135 00:06:43,027 --> 00:06:45,587 Speaker 2: What about for you, Jamie, in terms of being asked 136 00:06:45,627 --> 00:06:48,027 Speaker 2: to head coach the side for this year and again 137 00:06:48,547 --> 00:06:50,387 Speaker 2: next year? How easy are yes? 138 00:06:51,027 --> 00:06:53,587 Speaker 3: Was that for you? I had to tell you a 139 00:06:53,587 --> 00:06:54,507 Speaker 3: bit of thinking. 140 00:06:55,787 --> 00:06:58,747 Speaker 5: Because I've got a I've got a big responsibility around, 141 00:06:59,067 --> 00:07:00,667 Speaker 5: you know, coaching. 142 00:07:00,387 --> 00:07:04,427 Speaker 3: The Highlanders, and that's so and that's a big job. 143 00:07:05,667 --> 00:07:08,627 Speaker 5: And so yeah, it wasn't It wasn't a straightforward opportunity 144 00:07:08,667 --> 00:07:11,507 Speaker 5: because I'd already committed to another team and then this 145 00:07:11,667 --> 00:07:13,947 Speaker 5: this tour now was you know, we come back and 146 00:07:14,307 --> 00:07:15,867 Speaker 5: we played and where we were straight into a pre 147 00:07:15,987 --> 00:07:18,787 Speaker 5: season for the Highlanders. And unlike a lot of the 148 00:07:18,827 --> 00:07:21,467 Speaker 5: other clubs like the Chiefs and the Crusaders, the Hurricanes 149 00:07:22,067 --> 00:07:24,587 Speaker 5: and the Blues, We've only got two current All Blacks, 150 00:07:24,667 --> 00:07:28,027 Speaker 5: so we're those clubs are the majority of their players 151 00:07:28,547 --> 00:07:29,067 Speaker 5: on leave. 152 00:07:29,187 --> 00:07:31,387 Speaker 3: My players are all here and beheading ready to go. 153 00:07:31,627 --> 00:07:33,107 Speaker 3: So that took a bit of time. 154 00:07:33,227 --> 00:07:34,707 Speaker 5: I want to make sure that I can do the 155 00:07:34,787 --> 00:07:38,467 Speaker 5: job justice, I felt after a few talks with some 156 00:07:38,547 --> 00:07:41,427 Speaker 5: key people for me and my boss here at Thehighlanders 157 00:07:41,427 --> 00:07:44,267 Speaker 5: as they were really supportive. So yeah, it wasn't straightforward 158 00:07:44,347 --> 00:07:44,627 Speaker 5: all right. 159 00:07:44,667 --> 00:07:48,387 Speaker 2: And just on the Highlanders, Otago turning heads everywhere. I 160 00:07:48,387 --> 00:07:50,227 Speaker 2: know it's the MPC side as a post of the 161 00:07:50,227 --> 00:07:52,427 Speaker 2: Super rugby side, but a lot of those Otago guys 162 00:07:52,747 --> 00:07:56,787 Speaker 2: feed into your Highlanders side. So has Otago's excellent NPC 163 00:07:57,067 --> 00:07:59,907 Speaker 2: been helpful to you as you plan twenty twenty six 164 00:07:59,947 --> 00:08:00,707 Speaker 2: with the Highlanders. 165 00:08:01,747 --> 00:08:02,627 Speaker 3: Oh no, it's awesome. 166 00:08:02,707 --> 00:08:05,627 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going to Taga man played for Tago South 167 00:08:05,947 --> 00:08:07,187 Speaker 5: South the Shield. 168 00:08:07,787 --> 00:08:08,227 Speaker 3: Oh yeah. 169 00:08:08,267 --> 00:08:11,387 Speaker 5: You get a lot of feel good you know from 170 00:08:11,427 --> 00:08:13,707 Speaker 5: the younger players, Like last year our team was ever 171 00:08:13,827 --> 00:08:14,547 Speaker 5: jaj to twenty two. 172 00:08:14,587 --> 00:08:17,987 Speaker 3: A lot of those players, you know, the Togo. 173 00:08:17,707 --> 00:08:19,867 Speaker 5: Boys and the cellphone boys, and so for them to 174 00:08:19,947 --> 00:08:23,027 Speaker 5: get some to win some games, you know, and get 175 00:08:23,027 --> 00:08:25,187 Speaker 5: a smile on their face, and to get confidence that 176 00:08:25,307 --> 00:08:28,427 Speaker 5: what they're actually doing is paying a bit of hearing 177 00:08:28,467 --> 00:08:30,307 Speaker 5: a bit of fruit is it's good. 178 00:08:30,107 --> 00:08:32,307 Speaker 3: For us in the long term. So you know it's 179 00:08:32,307 --> 00:08:33,667 Speaker 3: a good thing doin here, that's for sure. 180 00:08:33,747 --> 00:08:35,867 Speaker 2: Absolutely all right. Jamie Hey, thanks for joining us, mate, 181 00:08:35,867 --> 00:08:38,067 Speaker 2: all the best on this All Blacks fifteen tour up North. 182 00:08:38,067 --> 00:08:39,267 Speaker 2: Appreciate you taking the time. 183 00:08:40,107 --> 00:08:41,507 Speaker 3: Awesome, Jason, thanks very much. 184 00:08:41,387 --> 00:08:43,867 Speaker 2: No, thank you, Jamie, Jamie Joseph. They're All Blacks fifteen 185 00:08:43,987 --> 00:08:47,387 Speaker 2: head coach, not just this year but next year as well. 186 00:08:47,427 --> 00:08:50,587 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 187 00:08:50,707 --> 00:08:53,987 Speaker 1: to news Talks. It'd be Weekends from midday or follow 188 00:08:54,027 --> 00:08:55,667 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.