1 00:00:06,693 --> 00:00:10,053 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Simon Barnett and James Daniels Afternoons 2 00:00:10,093 --> 00:00:12,013 Speaker 1: podcast from News Talks dB. 3 00:00:12,933 --> 00:00:16,813 Speaker 2: Alexander tour Blanche is a relationship expert. He's got qualifications 4 00:00:16,813 --> 00:00:20,493 Speaker 2: and psychotherapy, counseling and human sexuality. He runs his own 5 00:00:20,533 --> 00:00:24,373 Speaker 2: practice on point Therapy. He's a relationship expert also for Competigo, 6 00:00:24,373 --> 00:00:25,573 Speaker 2: who joins us every fortnight. 7 00:00:25,893 --> 00:00:29,613 Speaker 3: Hello there, Alexander, Hey Simon, Hey James. How's it going. 8 00:00:30,333 --> 00:00:33,493 Speaker 2: Nice to talk to you and congratulations folks. Alexander's and 9 00:00:33,533 --> 00:00:35,773 Speaker 2: his wife have just had twins. That's right, is it? 10 00:00:36,453 --> 00:00:40,373 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, twin girls about four weeks ago. How great? 11 00:00:40,453 --> 00:00:42,733 Speaker 2: How's that going for you both? To sleep? 12 00:00:44,093 --> 00:00:46,533 Speaker 3: It's amazing sleep wise. 13 00:00:46,933 --> 00:00:50,933 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm probably running on a combination of caffeine and 14 00:00:51,613 --> 00:00:52,893 Speaker 4: hopes of a brighter future. 15 00:00:55,693 --> 00:00:56,893 Speaker 3: It's good. I'm loving it. 16 00:00:57,293 --> 00:00:59,333 Speaker 5: Do you have other children? These are your first? 17 00:01:00,093 --> 00:01:01,853 Speaker 3: Now, these are the first. We've gone in the DP 18 00:01:02,133 --> 00:01:02,373 Speaker 3: from the. 19 00:01:02,613 --> 00:01:05,773 Speaker 2: Guys and a We two boys, two girls, boy and 20 00:01:05,813 --> 00:01:07,013 Speaker 2: a girl. What what of your head? 21 00:01:07,813 --> 00:01:10,573 Speaker 3: Two girls, Sadie and Laila of you? 22 00:01:12,373 --> 00:01:14,333 Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much for making time, because I 23 00:01:14,333 --> 00:01:16,373 Speaker 2: know it's precious. 24 00:01:16,773 --> 00:01:20,293 Speaker 5: We've got a text here says Hi Alexander. I've been 25 00:01:20,333 --> 00:01:23,613 Speaker 5: in a new relationship for eight months. My new partner 26 00:01:23,693 --> 00:01:27,133 Speaker 5: is amazing. When I was married previously, I would do 27 00:01:27,213 --> 00:01:29,333 Speaker 5: everything I could for the woman in my life, and 28 00:01:29,453 --> 00:01:32,333 Speaker 5: as a result, I've been taken advantage of. My new 29 00:01:32,373 --> 00:01:34,613 Speaker 5: partner does so much more for me than I can 30 00:01:34,733 --> 00:01:37,773 Speaker 5: possibly do for her, And although my family say I 31 00:01:37,853 --> 00:01:40,213 Speaker 5: deserve it, I'm struggling with not being able to take 32 00:01:40,253 --> 00:01:42,733 Speaker 5: care of her as well as she does me. I 33 00:01:42,733 --> 00:01:45,893 Speaker 5: know it sounds crazy, should I feel this way? Says Mark? 34 00:01:48,053 --> 00:01:54,733 Speaker 4: Right, Okay, recap eight months new relationship, previous marriages, Okay. 35 00:01:54,733 --> 00:01:59,093 Speaker 5: Take an advantage of take and he's worried that his 36 00:01:59,373 --> 00:02:02,373 Speaker 5: new partner does so much more for me than he 37 00:02:02,413 --> 00:02:04,093 Speaker 5: does he could possibly do for her. 38 00:02:04,813 --> 00:02:09,573 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Look, the reality is that most relationships will 39 00:02:09,613 --> 00:02:13,213 Speaker 4: have one partner who gives more and one partner who 40 00:02:13,293 --> 00:02:13,933 Speaker 4: receives more. 41 00:02:13,973 --> 00:02:15,613 Speaker 3: That's a really common dynamic. 42 00:02:17,053 --> 00:02:20,813 Speaker 4: What becomes problematic, I guess, is when those positions become 43 00:02:20,853 --> 00:02:23,973 Speaker 4: fixed and there's one person who's always giving and then 44 00:02:24,013 --> 00:02:27,453 Speaker 4: there's one person who always is receiving, And when that happens, 45 00:02:27,573 --> 00:02:31,973 Speaker 4: we end up feeling taken advantage of. So there's a 46 00:02:32,013 --> 00:02:34,533 Speaker 4: few things there. For those of us that do end 47 00:02:34,613 --> 00:02:40,453 Speaker 4: up in this giving position, often I find there's an 48 00:02:40,453 --> 00:02:44,493 Speaker 4: identsity thing tied up with that, meaning I'm more valuable 49 00:02:44,853 --> 00:02:48,413 Speaker 4: or I have more self worth when I'm able to give. Therefore, 50 00:02:48,413 --> 00:02:52,133 Speaker 4: when I'm unable to give as much, I feel a 51 00:02:52,133 --> 00:02:53,573 Speaker 4: little bit less valuable. 52 00:02:53,653 --> 00:02:55,373 Speaker 3: My self worth is called into question. 53 00:02:55,653 --> 00:03:01,093 Speaker 4: And interestingly, two individuals that tends to give. 54 00:03:00,973 --> 00:03:06,813 Speaker 3: More tend to tend to resist the vulnerability that can 55 00:03:06,853 --> 00:03:12,653 Speaker 3: come from receiving. So was it Mark sorry that the text? Yes? 56 00:03:13,093 --> 00:03:15,613 Speaker 4: So yeah, so Mark, if you're listening, and if anyone 57 00:03:15,613 --> 00:03:18,813 Speaker 4: else can identify with giving, what I would do is 58 00:03:18,853 --> 00:03:21,973 Speaker 4: to sort of reflect on what it means for you 59 00:03:22,093 --> 00:03:24,613 Speaker 4: to give and what it means for you to receive 60 00:03:26,373 --> 00:03:29,933 Speaker 4: in terms of comfort, in terms of vulnerability, and have 61 00:03:30,013 --> 00:03:33,893 Speaker 4: a conversation about that within the relationship and consider where 62 00:03:33,893 --> 00:03:37,093 Speaker 4: there are opportunities to work together to be a little 63 00:03:37,133 --> 00:03:40,333 Speaker 4: bit more, to have a bit more parity in the 64 00:03:40,413 --> 00:03:44,093 Speaker 4: giving and the receiving. And if you think that you're 65 00:03:44,213 --> 00:03:47,933 Speaker 4: fixed in this giving position, then my advice would be 66 00:03:47,933 --> 00:03:51,253 Speaker 4: to go and see professional support. So maybe have a 67 00:03:51,253 --> 00:03:54,213 Speaker 4: look at where there are opportunities to increase self worth 68 00:03:54,333 --> 00:03:55,853 Speaker 4: and openness to receiving. 69 00:03:56,733 --> 00:04:02,653 Speaker 2: Okay, hey, good text here, Alexander says, the person doesn't 70 00:04:02,653 --> 00:04:04,693 Speaker 2: want to come on here and speak. They're too nervous 71 00:04:04,733 --> 00:04:06,973 Speaker 2: to embarrassed. But says my part and it goes on 72 00:04:07,013 --> 00:04:10,053 Speaker 2: a dating site every six months or so, sometimes more 73 00:04:10,053 --> 00:04:13,413 Speaker 2: frequently than that tells me she is looking for friends. 74 00:04:13,893 --> 00:04:16,453 Speaker 2: Is this strange or should I worry about it? And 75 00:04:16,493 --> 00:04:17,453 Speaker 2: how can I bring it up? 76 00:04:17,533 --> 00:04:19,853 Speaker 5: I could answer that when I think you go for 77 00:04:19,893 --> 00:04:23,253 Speaker 5: it's that's very odd? 78 00:04:23,693 --> 00:04:26,493 Speaker 2: And is it odd? 79 00:04:27,733 --> 00:04:30,213 Speaker 4: Well, I mean it's interesting, it's it's There are two 80 00:04:30,293 --> 00:04:33,613 Speaker 4: ways to take that. So there are some dating apps, 81 00:04:34,093 --> 00:04:37,173 Speaker 4: for instance, Bumbles an example, where they do actually have 82 00:04:37,213 --> 00:04:39,853 Speaker 4: a feature where you can go on to find friends, 83 00:04:39,893 --> 00:04:45,333 Speaker 4: to actually make friends with individuals. So if that's what 84 00:04:45,493 --> 00:04:49,973 Speaker 4: she's meaning, then I don't see anything in particular wrong 85 00:04:50,053 --> 00:04:50,293 Speaker 4: with that. 86 00:04:50,573 --> 00:04:51,613 Speaker 3: If she's going on to. 87 00:04:51,933 --> 00:04:55,573 Speaker 4: Other men for her friends, then it becomes a little 88 00:04:55,613 --> 00:05:00,213 Speaker 4: bit more problematic. My rule of thumb, though, is if 89 00:05:00,213 --> 00:05:03,293 Speaker 4: it worries you, then it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. 90 00:05:03,413 --> 00:05:07,613 Speaker 4: It's warranting of a discussion in a relationship, and we 91 00:05:07,653 --> 00:05:11,373 Speaker 4: should be able to say this particular behavior makes me uncomfortable. 92 00:05:11,733 --> 00:05:13,733 Speaker 4: Is there a way in which we could adjust that. 93 00:05:15,453 --> 00:05:17,733 Speaker 4: In every healthy relationship should be able to find a 94 00:05:17,773 --> 00:05:20,933 Speaker 4: compromise if one person feels particularly uncomfortable. 95 00:05:22,293 --> 00:05:25,493 Speaker 5: Thanks Alexander. Look, here's a question that comes from me. 96 00:05:26,013 --> 00:05:28,653 Speaker 5: Can people who are in a relationship, whether they be 97 00:05:28,773 --> 00:05:32,613 Speaker 5: married or living together, and let's imagine that it's a 98 00:05:32,733 --> 00:05:36,053 Speaker 5: man and a woman, can they have friends of the 99 00:05:36,093 --> 00:05:36,973 Speaker 5: opposite sex? 100 00:05:39,893 --> 00:05:40,013 Speaker 2: Ok? 101 00:05:40,973 --> 00:05:45,613 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. It's yeah. I mean, I think 102 00:05:45,613 --> 00:05:46,573 Speaker 3: that's incredibly healthy. 103 00:05:46,653 --> 00:05:50,293 Speaker 4: To be honest, I don't think that there should be 104 00:05:50,293 --> 00:05:52,973 Speaker 4: any limitations on who we can and can't have friends with. 105 00:05:53,453 --> 00:05:55,773 Speaker 3: But it's when those friendships become. 106 00:05:57,453 --> 00:06:01,533 Speaker 4: Impactful to the primary relationship that concession needs to be had. 107 00:06:01,813 --> 00:06:04,493 Speaker 4: So for instance of someone spending a bit more time 108 00:06:04,573 --> 00:06:08,373 Speaker 4: with someone of the opposite sex, for instance, going out afterward, drinks, 109 00:06:08,893 --> 00:06:11,453 Speaker 4: spending time on weekends, and it's having an impact on 110 00:06:14,093 --> 00:06:17,133 Speaker 4: trust and worthiness, I guess of the other partner then 111 00:06:17,333 --> 00:06:21,213 Speaker 4: have a conversation. But by and large, members of the 112 00:06:21,213 --> 00:06:24,613 Speaker 4: opposite sex as friends when in a relationship should be 113 00:06:24,653 --> 00:06:25,573 Speaker 4: no issue. 114 00:06:26,053 --> 00:06:28,413 Speaker 2: I like what you said there too about the primary relationship, 115 00:06:28,413 --> 00:06:30,533 Speaker 2: because I think sometimes that gets overlooked. What is your 116 00:06:30,573 --> 00:06:33,773 Speaker 2: primary relationship? Hey, there's a bunch of texts coming in here, 117 00:06:33,893 --> 00:06:35,853 Speaker 2: and we will take a quick break and then get 118 00:06:35,893 --> 00:06:38,493 Speaker 2: your thoughts. But as all we teaser and it's a 119 00:06:38,573 --> 00:06:42,293 Speaker 2: legitimate text from a person saying to our previous text, 120 00:06:42,613 --> 00:06:46,173 Speaker 2: friends with benefits is what that woman's looking for online. 121 00:06:46,413 --> 00:06:48,133 Speaker 2: So I'm going to ask you the question about you 122 00:06:48,173 --> 00:06:51,333 Speaker 2: ever think you can ever think? Is there such a thing? 123 00:06:51,693 --> 00:06:54,613 Speaker 2: Does it work? Can it ever work? Friends with Benefits? 124 00:06:54,733 --> 00:06:57,733 Speaker 2: We are joined by our relationship expert Alexander de Blanche, 125 00:06:57,733 --> 00:07:00,333 Speaker 2: who's taking your calls and texts. He's just so good 126 00:07:00,333 --> 00:07:01,973 Speaker 2: at what he does. Thank you mate for your time. 127 00:07:02,693 --> 00:07:05,213 Speaker 2: Now we're going to come back to the friends with 128 00:07:05,253 --> 00:07:07,613 Speaker 2: Benefits question because Lee is called and she's got an 129 00:07:07,653 --> 00:07:10,693 Speaker 2: excellent question and understandably quite nervous to come on. But 130 00:07:10,773 --> 00:07:15,853 Speaker 2: thank you Lisa, Thank me, Lisa and Alexander standing. 131 00:07:15,573 --> 00:07:17,333 Speaker 6: By, well, I thank you. 132 00:07:19,213 --> 00:07:21,893 Speaker 2: Just let you know when yep far away, yep, good 133 00:07:21,933 --> 00:07:22,133 Speaker 2: to go. 134 00:07:23,533 --> 00:07:29,173 Speaker 6: Oh oh boy. It's been a really rough journey the 135 00:07:29,293 --> 00:07:34,493 Speaker 6: last few years. And my husband has PTSD and he 136 00:07:34,573 --> 00:07:38,373 Speaker 6: had done to therapy, but he claims he's getting worse. 137 00:07:38,573 --> 00:07:41,733 Speaker 6: I've taken him to marriage counseling, but he keeps living 138 00:07:41,733 --> 00:07:44,573 Speaker 6: in the past, and he seems to be blaming me 139 00:07:44,693 --> 00:07:49,613 Speaker 6: for a lot of things, and when I've suggested things 140 00:07:49,693 --> 00:07:51,813 Speaker 6: like trying different work because you know, we've been in 141 00:07:51,813 --> 00:07:55,773 Speaker 6: a bit of financial haircut, and that he's taking suggestions 142 00:07:55,773 --> 00:07:59,373 Speaker 6: as criticisms. But I noticed he pulled away from me 143 00:07:59,453 --> 00:08:05,253 Speaker 6: many years ago, and he he went online. His mother died, 144 00:08:05,373 --> 00:08:10,213 Speaker 6: he went online and made several profiles and been talking 145 00:08:10,253 --> 00:08:16,133 Speaker 6: to these girls and getting porn. And yeah, he's been 146 00:08:16,173 --> 00:08:19,613 Speaker 6: on mute almost twenty four to seven, especially the last 147 00:08:19,613 --> 00:08:21,813 Speaker 6: few months, and well, I can't get through to him, 148 00:08:21,813 --> 00:08:24,213 Speaker 6: but he keeps living in the past, and I feel 149 00:08:24,373 --> 00:08:26,853 Speaker 6: like he's silently divorcing me. And then I find these 150 00:08:26,853 --> 00:08:30,413 Speaker 6: messages saying, oh, my wife's a narsis and I just 151 00:08:30,453 --> 00:08:34,213 Speaker 6: went out, and boy, that's really it's guttering because I'm 152 00:08:34,613 --> 00:08:37,853 Speaker 6: nowhere like that. I'm empathetic and I'm compassionate, but I 153 00:08:37,853 --> 00:08:41,213 Speaker 6: wouldn't be trying so hard to get us marriage counseling 154 00:08:41,213 --> 00:08:43,373 Speaker 6: if I wasn't invested in it and I didn't care. 155 00:08:43,413 --> 00:08:45,813 Speaker 6: But I just can't get through to him. It's like 156 00:08:45,893 --> 00:08:50,293 Speaker 6: he's stonewalling meat almost twenty four to seven. Good question. 157 00:08:51,373 --> 00:08:53,253 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I think. 158 00:08:53,293 --> 00:08:57,053 Speaker 4: Firstly, it sounds like a really incredibly hard position to 159 00:08:57,093 --> 00:09:02,093 Speaker 4: be in, and PTSD is significant. I don't think many 160 00:09:02,093 --> 00:09:04,653 Speaker 4: of us are really given enough credits to the impacts 161 00:09:04,693 --> 00:09:06,693 Speaker 4: that it has on the individual, but also for the 162 00:09:06,733 --> 00:09:10,013 Speaker 4: people that live with them, that are in relationship with them, 163 00:09:10,093 --> 00:09:14,053 Speaker 4: and so yeah, I think I think firstly, just that 164 00:09:14,173 --> 00:09:18,093 Speaker 4: is really really tricky. The best thing that you can 165 00:09:18,293 --> 00:09:20,333 Speaker 4: do is what you are doing, which is to sort 166 00:09:20,373 --> 00:09:23,893 Speaker 4: of continue to be available and to try and seek support. 167 00:09:23,933 --> 00:09:27,333 Speaker 4: It's it's so hard to navigate something like that alone. 168 00:09:28,653 --> 00:09:31,893 Speaker 4: And you know, it sounds like it's if we lose 169 00:09:32,093 --> 00:09:33,853 Speaker 4: someone close to us, we lose. 170 00:09:35,213 --> 00:09:38,253 Speaker 3: You know, a mother, it can really push us into, 171 00:09:38,773 --> 00:09:39,573 Speaker 3: you know, a place of. 172 00:09:41,373 --> 00:09:46,733 Speaker 4: Vulnerability and of seeking comfort and and you know, in others, 173 00:09:46,813 --> 00:09:50,733 Speaker 4: and for men in particular, often we can turn to 174 00:09:50,853 --> 00:09:53,293 Speaker 4: strangers because it's for whatever reason, it can be a 175 00:09:53,293 --> 00:09:56,333 Speaker 4: little bit easier to be sort of vulnerable, to feel 176 00:09:56,333 --> 00:09:57,893 Speaker 4: a sense of closeness and connection. 177 00:09:59,253 --> 00:10:02,733 Speaker 2: What is to do about the pornography component there, Alexander, 178 00:10:02,733 --> 00:10:07,493 Speaker 2: because that must be horrible for you, Lisa. 179 00:10:07,973 --> 00:10:10,533 Speaker 3: Is that sorry? Is that ongoing? At least it was that? 180 00:10:10,653 --> 00:10:11,813 Speaker 3: Was that something that was a one off? 181 00:10:12,013 --> 00:10:16,293 Speaker 6: Yes? And he's he's et since they bought things with 182 00:10:16,733 --> 00:10:20,093 Speaker 6: you know, the notifications going off of all these bills 183 00:10:20,173 --> 00:10:24,053 Speaker 6: with phone numbers and all sorts of things for pornography. 184 00:10:24,573 --> 00:10:27,133 Speaker 6: He's hiding his phone twenty four to seven and he 185 00:10:27,293 --> 00:10:30,333 Speaker 6: can't even leave it just on the on the bench 186 00:10:30,373 --> 00:10:32,853 Speaker 6: while he goes and does the dogs, and he then 187 00:10:32,933 --> 00:10:35,173 Speaker 6: way out, he just puts it under the table and 188 00:10:35,213 --> 00:10:37,533 Speaker 6: he's texting away and I think that makes me feel 189 00:10:37,613 --> 00:10:39,813 Speaker 6: very uncomfortable, and I've told him that, but he's just 190 00:10:39,933 --> 00:10:42,533 Speaker 6: sort of huffs and size and looks away and stone. 191 00:10:42,613 --> 00:10:48,573 Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, look, it's none of those things are 192 00:10:49,093 --> 00:10:54,213 Speaker 4: doing anything too cerebuild trust, and you know it. It's 193 00:10:54,213 --> 00:10:57,573 Speaker 4: an incredibly tricky position to be in. What you can 194 00:10:57,653 --> 00:11:00,693 Speaker 4: do is it sounds like you are letting him know 195 00:11:00,813 --> 00:11:03,613 Speaker 4: the impact of that, you know, letting him know that 196 00:11:03,653 --> 00:11:06,933 Speaker 4: this is sort of not you know, behavior that's anything 197 00:11:06,973 --> 00:11:10,733 Speaker 4: to increase the closeness and that you want to be 198 00:11:10,813 --> 00:11:13,173 Speaker 4: able to be there and to support them. But he's 199 00:11:13,213 --> 00:11:16,493 Speaker 4: making it incredibly hard in particular the behavior that's sort 200 00:11:16,533 --> 00:11:18,133 Speaker 4: of showing up in. 201 00:11:18,173 --> 00:11:21,853 Speaker 2: Your experience, Alexander. Sorry to jump in, but does an 202 00:11:21,933 --> 00:11:25,213 Speaker 2: ultimatum make any difference to someone in Lisa's situation saying oh, 203 00:11:25,253 --> 00:11:27,333 Speaker 2: I'm put up with this, so either you change or 204 00:11:27,373 --> 00:11:29,173 Speaker 2: it's over. Does that? Does that work? 205 00:11:30,853 --> 00:11:32,973 Speaker 4: We need to be a little bit careful with ultimatums, 206 00:11:33,053 --> 00:11:35,493 Speaker 4: but I do think that there is a point where 207 00:11:35,613 --> 00:11:39,973 Speaker 4: if someone's not prepared to help themselves or not prepared 208 00:11:40,093 --> 00:11:44,853 Speaker 4: to have a conversation about how their behavior is impacting 209 00:11:44,893 --> 00:11:49,093 Speaker 4: the relationship, sometimes we need to be a little bit 210 00:11:49,093 --> 00:11:52,893 Speaker 4: more firm or a little bit more assertive and say, essentially, look, 211 00:11:52,933 --> 00:11:55,613 Speaker 4: this is this is not something that I'm willing to 212 00:11:55,733 --> 00:11:58,293 Speaker 4: put up with, you know, and there are opportunities that 213 00:11:58,373 --> 00:12:01,493 Speaker 4: we can do together to move through this. If you're 214 00:12:01,613 --> 00:12:05,133 Speaker 4: unwilling to go down that route, it's going to head 215 00:12:05,133 --> 00:12:07,573 Speaker 4: in the direction I don't want it to go. But 216 00:12:07,653 --> 00:12:10,373 Speaker 4: sometimes we need a bit of a shake up in 217 00:12:10,493 --> 00:12:12,813 Speaker 4: terms of you know this, this behavior is not okay, 218 00:12:12,853 --> 00:12:15,813 Speaker 4: and I'm not going to continue to accept it myself. 219 00:12:16,013 --> 00:12:19,053 Speaker 4: It's it's an awful position to be in, Lisa, and 220 00:12:19,093 --> 00:12:25,653 Speaker 4: I yeah, but it's yeah, it's tricky. 221 00:12:25,853 --> 00:12:26,533 Speaker 3: It's tricky. 222 00:12:26,893 --> 00:12:29,613 Speaker 2: Lisa, thank you very much for calling in and being 223 00:12:29,613 --> 00:12:30,133 Speaker 2: so brave. 224 00:12:30,333 --> 00:12:30,853 Speaker 4: Good luck. 225 00:12:30,973 --> 00:12:34,573 Speaker 2: Hopefully that helps, and thank you Alexander. We are just 226 00:12:34,773 --> 00:12:37,293 Speaker 2: that took a lot of time, but we're out of time, 227 00:12:37,533 --> 00:12:39,493 Speaker 2: so we're going to have to come back next fortnite. 228 00:12:39,493 --> 00:12:42,173 Speaker 2: Alexander with the friends with benefits question, because there's a 229 00:12:42,213 --> 00:12:44,933 Speaker 2: bunch of people now texting and saying that even their 230 00:12:45,013 --> 00:12:48,093 Speaker 2: partners have asked for a free pass. You'll know what 231 00:12:48,133 --> 00:12:51,333 Speaker 2: that means. Yes, and this is this does worry me 232 00:12:51,373 --> 00:12:53,813 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, how some of the stuff creeps in, 233 00:12:54,293 --> 00:12:56,013 Speaker 2: So we'll get your thoughts on that next time. If 234 00:12:56,053 --> 00:12:57,613 Speaker 2: that's okay, Alexander. 235 00:12:57,773 --> 00:12:59,413 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course it sounds it sounds great. 236 00:12:59,733 --> 00:13:01,933 Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Thanks so much. That is Alexander 237 00:13:01,973 --> 00:13:04,293 Speaker 2: to Blanche. He runs his own to practice. It's on 238 00:13:04,453 --> 00:13:07,293 Speaker 2: point therapy. He really is such a nice man and 239 00:13:07,373 --> 00:13:09,333 Speaker 2: so good at what he does. So we'll hear from 240 00:13:09,373 --> 00:13:11,333 Speaker 2: him again in a fortnight. So we couldn't get all 241 00:13:11,333 --> 00:13:13,173 Speaker 2: the texts and calls, but a lot of texts. 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