1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, a name 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: you can trust locally and globally. 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 2: Right on the huddle with me this evening we have 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 2: Gareth Hughes, director of the Well Being Economy Alliance out 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: here or a former Green MP, and Nick Leggett Infrastructure 6 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 2: New Zealand. Hello you too, Hello Nick? Do you fly 7 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 2: the Jet Star? 8 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 3: I don't. I don't, but I am, you know, like, 9 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 3: I think that this is fair, you know, fair enough 10 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 3: for regional airports to be doing this. This is about 11 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 3: competition and ultimately the people that went out of Colt 12 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 3: competition are the kiwis that are flying around the place 13 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 3: you need to get from one destination to another. So 14 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 3: I think that this is fair enough. And it's not 15 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 3: as though here in New Zealand don't use their mite 16 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 3: and aggression to drive their bus andre lot. This is 17 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 3: just a bit of ballance. 18 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: Gareth, do you fly the jet Star? 19 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 4: Occasionally? I've been pretty loyal to Air New Zealand over 20 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 4: the years, but they had like five hundred dollar flights 21 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 4: from Auckland to Wellington last week, so I was looking 22 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 4: at Jetstar, have been booking some flights. 23 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 2: And then what happened. So you looked at jets do 24 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:09,919 Speaker 2: and then what happened? 25 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 4: Gareth, Oh, I have been booking some Jetstar flights. I 26 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 4: mean it is cheaper. And this is the irony for 27 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 4: the New Zealand right, It's the Barbara Streisand effect. They've 28 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 4: now just given the massive marketing opportunities to Jett to 29 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 4: talk about how much cheaper they are. Yeah, why don't 30 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,839 Speaker 4: you know you're a big business. You know they should 31 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 4: be focusing on their business. They've got a lot of 32 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 4: issues from grounded planes to a massive strike next month. 33 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 4: I mean, I think they should be welcoming competition. I 34 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 4: think Keewis would love to see more competition on most 35 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 4: of their air routes. They've got eighty six percent of 36 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 4: the country's EDGEFA at the moment, so yeah, I'd like 37 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 4: to see them welcome competition. 38 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: Okay, now, I Nick, why don't you fly Jet Stars 39 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 2: because you're a snoll? 40 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 3: No, No, I'm not like you ever. I And look, 41 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 3: I am an loyal in New Zealand customer and. 42 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: I think because you've got through that's what it is. 43 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: Well, that may have something to do with it. There 44 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 3: are just there are more options and I think that 45 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 3: from a memory and this may go back a few years. 46 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 3: You have to really get to the airport a lot 47 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 3: earlier for a jet Star flight as you're flying Walklorn 48 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 3: to Wellington and you know, I how much? 49 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: Ten? 50 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? Okay, well sometimes ten minutes can be the difference 51 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 3: between getting the flight and not. 52 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: You're open, then you'll get over it. Because I'm getting 53 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: over it. I've decided to what I would in the 54 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: past have said was slummet. But I'm about to discover 55 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: I'm not going to slum it because I'm going to 56 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: be having a Gin and Tonic and You're going to 57 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: be sitting there just eating your casava chips. And that sucks, 58 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 2: doesn't it. Gareth? How do you feel about transport pat 59 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: transpower being sued and the importation of a culture of litigation. 60 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 4: Well, we don't really have this history of big class sections. 61 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 4: They're pretty rare in New Zealand. And you know, if 62 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 4: you look at acc right, I'm pretty I'm really proud 63 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 4: of our country and our model that we've avoided that 64 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 4: whole American style constantly suing each other. And I think 65 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 4: in this case, you know, the only victim, or half 66 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 4: the victim, will be the taxpayer because Transpower, you know, 67 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 4: is a state owned enterprise. So it's pretty refreshing actually 68 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 4: to see the Norsun Chamber and Commerce chief executives say, 69 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 4: you have local businesses are just ready to move on. 70 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 2: But but Gareth, they have they'll have an indemnity insurance. 71 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: They'll have insurance. 72 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's possible. And I know they've already donated a 73 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 4: million dollars. 74 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 2: Donated a million dollars. Gareth, listen to yourself. These these 75 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: are people who lost sixty to eighty million dollars. It 76 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: was not a donation. It was like the tiniest bit 77 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: of compo, wasn't it. 78 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, But that's what's so interesting about it, right, it 79 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 4: looks like potentially free money. It's a you know, you 80 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 4: only pay if you win. But it looks like local 81 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 4: business isn't saying there isn't much demand. It's interesting this 82 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 4: litigant hasn't announced how many local companies are part of 83 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 4: this class faction. And the fact of the matter is, 84 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 4: I think the words are probably going to eat up 85 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 4: a healthy chunk of it. 86 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, probably, as always this and take a break. I 87 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 2: want to hear what you've got to say, Nick will 88 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: do it next. 89 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: Week the Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the 90 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: only truly global brand. 91 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: Right, you're back with the hudd on Nick Legg at 92 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: Gareth us Nick. What do you think about the culture 93 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 2: of litigation? 94 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that if you're a small or a 95 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 3: medium sized business, yeah, it's an opten, not about option. 96 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 3: But the truth is this stuff SAPs time and energy 97 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 3: and that costs money. And from what I see about Northland, 98 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 3: they are very focused on their economic future, so they 99 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 3: understand the benefit of actually thinking forward, investing in energy, 100 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 3: investing in transport and connections to Northland, not looking backwards. 101 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 3: We do have massive energy challenges in this country going 102 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 3: to the future, and I think I just think this 103 00:04:55,279 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 3: is a really pragmatic attitude to be hearing and it is. 104 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 3: It's in line with the Kiwi spirit. Sometimes I think 105 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 3: we roll over and sort of take things too much, 106 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 3: but actually I think this is I think they've they've 107 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 3: they've put the that they've done my thinking and they've 108 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 3: weighed it up. 109 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: And this is where there is the possibility that Lee mccerro, 110 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: who is the boss of north Chamber here, has misread 111 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 2: the room entirely, and that in fact, the businesses there 112 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: do want the compensation. 113 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: Well, I think that's news talk z'b who's run the story. 114 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 3: It's it's their job to find out. 115 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm telling you. 116 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I'm just I mean, I'm only going off 117 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 3: what the chamber's here because. 118 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 2: Because I mean, think about this, Nick, what's your take 119 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 2: on this? Okay? If you are a small oyster farmer 120 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 2: in Madicana and water Care is just pumping pooe into 121 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: your water and ruining your livelihood, don't you want the 122 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: ability to be able to go? This is not on 123 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: And actually I'm going to sue your ass. And if 124 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 2: you're the guys in Northland and they just they just 125 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: some numpty pulls the nuts out and off goes your 126 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: lights for three or four days and you lose potentially millions, 127 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 2: don't you want the ability to go? Hey? You actually 128 00:05:59,320 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 2: owe me? 129 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 3: Yep, there should not. There should be some conversation. If 130 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 3: you think about the water Care example, there's regulator as 131 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 3: there is a transpower to get this stuff right, and 132 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 3: that's what we expect. But the highly you know, this 133 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 3: the sort of culture of litigation rewards one group of 134 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 3: people in the nation. That's lawyers generally. So there has 135 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 3: to be other ways of being fairly allocating losses and 136 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 3: giving those sort of those sort of public infrastructure companies 137 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 3: sort of the smack on the hand that they need 138 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 3: when they stuff up. 139 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough, Gareth, you in a way in it all? 140 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 4: Oh, I mean, I think it's different from the poo 141 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 4: and the water thing. You know, this was an accident, 142 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 4: It wasn't on intentional, wasn't malicious. But it looks like 143 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 4: this litigation is coming from a litigation company, you know, 144 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 4: not this hasn't actually come from the community or businesses involved. 145 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 4: We'll actually see how many businesses join imagine soon. 146 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's taking the. 147 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 2: Someone is and someone's obviously taking the pun because I 148 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 2: think they've got to. Hey, Gareth, what do you make 149 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 2: of this thing about the millennials not doing what the 150 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 2: other generations are doing? Like everybody else starts off a 151 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: little bit you know, hippy dippy, and then becomes more 152 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 2: conservative as they get older. But the millennials aren't getting 153 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: more conservative. They're going the other way. 154 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 4: Well, Winston Churchill once said, if you're not a liberal 155 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 4: when you're twenty five, you've got no heart. But if 156 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 4: you're not a conservative by the time he's thirty five, 157 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 4: you've got no brain. But at least across the disk, 158 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 4: in the last four elections, young voters there have been 159 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 4: going less conservative. They've been voting for Labour, Green and 160 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 4: other parties. And I think it's quite interesting. We can 161 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 4: see something similar happening in the US, UK New Zealand 162 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 4: politics at the same time. And I think it basically 163 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 4: it comes down to that millennials are facing really acute 164 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 4: pressure housing, an affordability costs, a living climate crisis. They 165 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 4: look like the first generation to be worse off than 166 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 4: their parents' generation. 167 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. I wonder if that I reckon that that's what's 168 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: going on here, Nick, is that normally you become more 169 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: conservative when you settle down, buy a house, have your kids, 170 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 2: and millennials are leaving that to so late showing up yet. 171 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think that's right. I also think 172 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 3: that in those countries that Gareth mentioned, a lot of 173 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 3: the conservative parties have not got their act together, They've 174 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 3: lost their mojo. I mean, you think about the Australian 175 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 3: federal election result. You know, the Liberal Party had had 176 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 3: a terrible result, or the coalition had a terrible result. 177 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 3: Whether it's just you know, the the weather of that election, 178 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 3: or whether it is a climate you know, for conservative 179 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 3: parties generally, I think I'd want to wait a bit 180 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 3: longer to see. But there certainly does seem to be 181 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 3: some information up front that suggests that this is the case. 182 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 3: And yeah, you sort of feel it, don't you, in 183 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 3: your in your cohorts. I think people are keeping their 184 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 3: politics longer, or as it says, opting, and as Gareth 185 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 3: pointed out, opting for smaller parties as well. 186 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fascinating stuff. Hey, listen, guys, thanks very much, 187 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 2: go and enjoy yourselves. And you know I was going 188 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 2: to say, fly yet, Star, but wait until Thursday and 189 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: then I'll tell you where you applying. You Sarah not 190 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: garetheus Nickleigh at our huddle 191 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 192 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 193 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.