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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's hither duple c Ellen drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 2: let's get connected us talks'd.

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Speaker 3: Be afternoon coming up on the show Today, Police, it

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Speaker 3: turns out having to use force more often, probably not

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Speaker 3: a surprise, but we're going to speak to the Police

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Speaker 3: Association Boss Chris Carr Hill about why that is. The

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Speaker 3: Act Party is going to explain what they're going to

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Speaker 3: do about the Hawk's Bay health situation given the other

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Speaker 3: ones complaining, and hey, they are in government now they've

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Speaker 3: got the power. And Women's Refuge is investigating staff members

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Speaker 3: for apparently using funds on hairdresses and teeth appointments. Will

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Speaker 3: get you across that, Heather Duplic, No, I'm actually relaxed.

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Speaker 3: I thought about this today. I'm actually relaxed about what

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Speaker 3: happens this weekend in the test against the spring Box.

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Speaker 3: I mean obviously goes without saying. I'd much prefer that

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Speaker 3: the All Blacks did win the game, Like I prefer

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Speaker 3: the All Blacks to win every single game. But if

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Speaker 3: they don't win the game this weekend, I actually don't care.

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Speaker 3: And I know this, you know, Jason Pine for will

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Speaker 3: diehards say. It's the All Blacks. We've got to hold

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Speaker 3: them to a winning standard. We've got to have better expectations,

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Speaker 3: and we do most of the time, but we have

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Speaker 3: also got to be realistic about what's going on. Raiser

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Speaker 3: has only just started coaching this squad. We cannot seriously

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Speaker 3: of weeks. He's not Jesus. The loss last weekend was

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Speaker 3: not that bad. I mean, the All Blacks were up

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Speaker 3: against let's be honest about this, the best squad in

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Speaker 3: the world currently, the spring Box A and we only

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Speaker 3: lost to them by four points. They've got so much

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Speaker 3: depth they can basically feel two completely separate teams. And

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Speaker 3: I repeat, we only lost to them by four points.

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Speaker 3: It's not that horrendous. I know they are going to

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Speaker 3: be people right now who are listening to this drawing

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Speaker 3: comparisons to the easy ride. I'm drawing comparisons between the

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Speaker 3: easy ride I'm giving to Razor as opposed to the

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Speaker 3: hard ride I gave to Fozzy. But you've got to

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Speaker 3: remember the context. Fozzy only started getting a hard time

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Speaker 3: when he lost to Ireland here at home twice South

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Speaker 3: Africa by a sixteen point margin, and then the Argi's

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Speaker 3: here at home again, right. He lost some matches that

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Speaker 3: that should not have been the margin right, And by

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Speaker 3: then it was the tail end of twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: That was his third season in the job, not the

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Speaker 3: third month like it is with Raser third year. If

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Speaker 3: Razor is losing matches like that in year three, I

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Speaker 3: a team that was under Fozzy for three years. If

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Speaker 3: them to win this weekend. That would be the best

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Speaker 3: outcome on Sunday. But if they don't, who cares? Onwards

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Speaker 3: and upwards? Heather do for nine nine two is the

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Speaker 3: text under standard text fees are playing, You're welcome to

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Speaker 3: way and yes, I am expecting a text from Jason

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Speaker 3: Pine at some stage now Hagley College and christ Church

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Speaker 3: listen to this slag and to let students work from

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Speaker 3: mental or physical health difficulties or who have extracurricular activities

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Speaker 3: that clash with school. Derek Wenmouth is a New Zealand

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Speaker 4: Hey Derek, hey there, how are you very well?

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Speaker 3: Thank you? What kind of difficulty are we talking about

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Speaker 5: As I understand it, it's largely students who have some

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Speaker 3: Anxieties. Is that quite a big problem.

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Speaker 5: It's an increasing problem as I understand in schools, and

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Speaker 5: Other countries, especially the UK where I was involved in

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Speaker 3: How do we know that? I mean, the thing is,

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Speaker 5: Well, that's a good question. It's the same question you

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Speaker 5: that really comes down to really good instructional design in

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Speaker 6: To work on.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, Derek, at least in a classroom the

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Speaker 5: That's true, But i'd put it to you that's happening

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Speaker 3: What kids just playing on their phones?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's absolutely We've got The big issue here is

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Speaker 5: simply having a teacher in a classroom doesn't actually change things.

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Speaker 5: It comes down to the same educational principles of being

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Speaker 5: really explicit in your instructional design and having programs that

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Speaker 3: How will given that it's trial, how will you know

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Speaker 5: Oh, I'm not one hundred percent sure on what their

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Speaker 3: Derek. Look, I might be a little old school, and

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Speaker 3: for the vast majority of us, every single day, with

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Speaker 5: I think that's an interesting perspective. I'm not sure I

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Speaker 7: You're right, there's a.

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Speaker 5: Whole lot of things about the real world. The real

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Speaker 5: There are now quite a change of occupations that allow

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Speaker 5: So I think part of the challenge we've got in

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Speaker 3: Derek, listen, thank you, I really appreciate you talking us through.

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Speaker 3: That's Derek Wenmouth, New Zealand education specialist. Heather Phones abannedoned school,

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Speaker 3: so I call BS on that. Steve, Steve, that's a

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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c

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Speaker 3: So Darcy, what are you thinking? Oh, this is Darcy

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Speaker 3: Watergrave by the way hot into us.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well, because Jason pine is normally in the seat

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Speaker 9: that Piney's having a well deserve break and I will

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Speaker 10: Show tomorrow weekend Sport twelve test said, this Sunday is.

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Speaker 3: Going to be highly energetic. What do you think of

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Speaker 3: the All Blacks losing this weekend? Are you stressed out

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Speaker 9: I think earlier in the day, like when I was

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Speaker 9: incredible sulks when my Canterbury team used to keep beating.

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Speaker 9: This is before the Crusaders. Yeah, I was inconsolable when

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Speaker 9: the All Blacks lost. It was just the end of

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Speaker 9: you know what, why are you so getting stressed out

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Speaker 9: So that dawn on probably fifteen years ago, and so

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Speaker 9: I'm getting more and more relaxed about it. And to

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Speaker 9: be perfectly blunt, if the All Blacks lose, I have

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Speaker 9: a great week's talk back. Oh oh my god, it's

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Speaker 9: that self serving or what It's true because people don't

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Speaker 3: And I ask you this question, then, are you going

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Speaker 3: and we should never have appointed him if they lose

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Speaker 3: the guy has only just started.

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Speaker 9: The guy's only just start. It's how they lose that

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Speaker 9: I'm more interested, and not the actual result, but how

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Speaker 9: they got to that result. And I think that that

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Speaker 9: smudge last week of that last fifteen minutes. And I'll

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Speaker 9: text to stop using it, but this is an embarrassed

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Speaker 9: All Blacks team. All Blacks teams don't fold in the

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Speaker 10: He's been getting a pie. The pie shot around.

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Speaker 10: Wanted to fight him, So it's what's this kind of

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Speaker 9: Maybe he might complain around I don't know, is it

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Speaker 10: I don't care who you are, rus of the land.

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Speaker 10: Learn how to park.

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Speaker 3: We will park the same.

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Speaker 10: It's my fall letter word.

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Speaker 3: Your mustache has now reached. You've now reached creepy stage

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Speaker 10: Thanks, I'll go tonight.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'll shrink it to good And if mars out

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Speaker 9: there are still stalking, now stick it on Instagram, Darcy

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Speaker 10: You can take it because it really is horrible.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's really creepy. Yeah, it's quite. That's quite.

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Speaker 3: When you all you need to do is diet? Oh alright,

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Speaker 3: have I died?

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Speaker 10: Orange?

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Speaker 11: Oh Man?

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Speaker 3: Darcy, thank you appreciate it. Looking forward to the show

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Speaker 3: this Weekendeking.

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Speaker 9: Tonight, Craig coming is taking over the rains at Sports.

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Speaker 3: Talk Good Stuff. Darcy will be back tomorrow and Sunday

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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper c

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Speaker 1: New stalksa'd be okay.

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Speaker 3: So I thought maybe I was on my own about

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Speaker 3: this thing about the kids having to go to school

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Speaker 3: the unbelievable classic example of why the education systems in trouble.

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Speaker 3: Hither Derek needs to get in the real world. You

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Speaker 2: The Day's Newsmakers talked to Heather First, Heather Duplessy Allen

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Speaker 12: Hither.

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Speaker 3: I've heard this before re Women's refuge. I used to

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Speaker 3: Look look at the reaction that Saint John's got when

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Speaker 3: You know, on that school shooting in Georgia, the cops

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be drive so the father of a suspected school

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Speaker 7: These charges stem from mister Gray knowingly allowing his sign

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Speaker 13: We must act to ensure women are safe. Achieving this

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Speaker 3: And finally, some people in the city of Harbin and

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Speaker 3: I would be. When the lock broke on a truck

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Speaker 2: International correspondence with ends and eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 11: Hey, Heather, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. So the fourteen year old

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Speaker 11: Yeah, this is a dramatic development tonight. That fourteen year

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Speaker 11: So his fourteen year old son, who is accused of

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Speaker 11: Well, yes, that's right. It turns out that last year

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Speaker 11: When they investigated, they interviewed this young man and his parents.

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Speaker 11: Now you can imagine this is going to be looked

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Speaker 3: But the allegation then, Mitch, was that there were hunting

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Speaker 11: That's right, But it remains to be seen that there

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Speaker 11: this person last year, and now they found out that

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Speaker 11: he was actually obsessed with mass shootings before he carried

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Speaker 11: out one yesterday in Georgia.

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Speaker 3: So, Mitch, is it? I mean, I imagine at some stage

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Speaker 3: the heat's going to go on the cops for having

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Speaker 11: I would imagine that's exactly going to be the case.

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Speaker 11: I mean, there's a real, a deep look at some

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Speaker 13: You remember the.

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Speaker 11: Avoldi, Texas shooting where one of the police officers in

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Speaker 11: charge there has been charged for not doing enough on

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Speaker 11: the day. Now there's going to be a serious investigation

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Speaker 11: I would imagine in the coming months around what was

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Speaker 11: missed here as they look to apply it to other

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Speaker 11: cases around the country. It is, you know, biggest belief

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Speaker 11: really that they got close to this cad last year

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Speaker 11: and managed to sort of let him go and let

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Speaker 11: him back to school. Now we know what's happened.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Two right.

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Speaker 3: Hey, this Efficiency Commission that Donald Trump's going to seat up.

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Speaker 3: What is this supposed to do?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, this is a Department of Government and Government efficiency.

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Speaker 11: Donald Trump has announced that he wants to start this.

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Speaker 11: He was in New York today speaking to some business leaders. Now, essentially,

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Speaker 11: this is a government department that would cut waste. It's

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Speaker 11: sort of a ministry of regulation. He vowed to eliminate

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Speaker 11: his potential new administration. And the way that Elon Musk

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Speaker 11: the words top Department of Government Efficiency behind it. Donald

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Speaker 11: is also aiming to audit the US government. So it's

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Speaker 11: another example of Donald Trump getting closer to Elon Musk.

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Speaker 3: Why would Elon Musk want to spend time leading something

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Speaker 3: like this? I mean, the guy is busy enough, isn't he.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think that's a fair question. He owns a

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Speaker 11: number of companies. But Donald Trump has also admitted in

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Speaker 11: podcasts in recent times it would be hard for Elon

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Speaker 11: potential conflict of interest that would arise from the multiple

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Speaker 11: businesses he owns. So it remains to be seen how

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Speaker 11: this would actually work in practice. But you've also got

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Speaker 11: to remember Donald Trump wants to remain close with Elon

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Speaker 11: media accounts as well. We has tens of millions of followers,

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Speaker 11: So there's a lot of reasons why Donald Trump wants

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Speaker 3: It's good to talk to you, mate, Thank you so

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Speaker 3: much for that update. That's which we can us correspondent. Listen,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna have to talk about water care. If you

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Speaker 3: were listening to the show last night, you will have

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Speaker 3: heard the water care interview. I'm sure there's more on that,

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Speaker 3: so stand by just quickly. Also, on that situation with

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Speaker 3: are just the Mariia the Pacifica kids and not kids

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Speaker 3: of any other ethnicity. Shane Ritti, the Health Minister, apparently

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Speaker 3: didn't know anything about this. He's not very happy at

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Speaker 3: all and he's asked for a please explain from Health

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Speaker 3: New Zealand on this. He's unable to talk to us

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Speaker 3: today because apparently he's flying from him the cargo and

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Speaker 3: it's just a complete shambles and so it's just too hard.

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Speaker 3: But he's going to talk to them on Monday, so

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Speaker 3: he'll be able to say something on Monday. Actor also

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Speaker 3: very upset about this. Now act are in the government,

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Speaker 3: So the question is, well, water you going to do

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Speaker 3: about it? David Seymour is going to be with us

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Speaker 3: after five seventeen away.

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Speaker 2: From politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 3: Sober senior political correspondence with US. Now, Hey, Barry, good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: So China has responded to our spy report, has it?

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Speaker 10: Yeah? Not surprisingly it's come up with fairly strong views

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Speaker 10: on it. The other day, you'll be aware that the

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Speaker 10: end of SIS they identified examples, they said of the

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Speaker 10: People's Republic of China influenced their influence here and they

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Speaker 10: said it smacked heavily and foreign interference. Well, the Chinese

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Speaker 10: have come out and said that look the fabricated there's

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Speaker 10: no such thing happening in this country. A spokesman for

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Speaker 10: the Chinese embassy, he said the allegations were entirely baseless,

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Speaker 10: baseless and nothing but a figment of the imaginational sheer fabrication.

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Speaker 10: It's interesting, isn't it. I mean, China is always being

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Speaker 10: hammered in this country. I find whereas the US gets

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Speaker 10: away scot free. The US has always had attached to

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Speaker 10: their embassy a CIA person there, but we don't take

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Speaker 10: much notice of that. But whenever it comes to the Chinese,

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Speaker 10: and we've got to remember we are a trading nation.

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Speaker 10: Our two ways trade with China's thirty eight billion dollars

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Speaker 10: a year. Last year. You look at the United States,

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Speaker 10: the two way trade with the United States is thirteen

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Speaker 10: point four billion. We dout of a free trade agreement

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Speaker 10: with him. And I'm not saying that we should sweep

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Speaker 10: under the carpet anything that may be going on in

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Speaker 10: this country, but look, there are other countries that try

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Speaker 10: and buy influence in this country as well. And it

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Speaker 10: reminded me of the Huawei situation where they were barred

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Speaker 10: from taking part in the ult fast broadband rollout, and

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Speaker 10: that was again an a GCSB doctrine that said that

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Speaker 10: Chinese there could be some spying going on if this

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Speaker 10: telecommunications company gets the contract. They still got part of

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Speaker 10: the contract, but not all of the contract. And this

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Speaker 10: is the biggest telecommunication supplier in the world. And at

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Speaker 10: the time it was twenty nineteen. I went to China

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Speaker 10: to Beijing with Jasin Dadurn, who spent less than twenty

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Speaker 10: four hours there. It was a sole trip to China

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Speaker 10: during her prime lis to ship and I went a

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Speaker 10: couple of days earlier and talked to Huawei to see,

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Speaker 10: you know, what their organization was like. They don't buy you,

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Speaker 10: They just tell you the story. And I'm not saying

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Speaker 10: that we swallow at lock stock and Barrel, because you know,

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Speaker 10: you've got to be objective about this. And I'm sure

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Speaker 10: there is some sort of interference that goes on in

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Speaker 10: this country, just as there is with other major powers here.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but Barry, what are you saying to us that

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Speaker 3: you think that we should be a little nicer to

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Speaker 3: China and then just ease up on them a wee bit.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think we should. I mean, you know why

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Speaker 10: bite the hand the feeder.

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Speaker 3: Because we're a liberal democracy and they're not. Well, that's true,

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Speaker 3: and we want to defend being a liberal democracy.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, okay, that's fine, but that's why. But well, how

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Speaker 10: have they undermined New Zealand's democracy?

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Speaker 3: Well, apparently according to this report. Hello, Barry, did you

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Speaker 3: know that there were two Chinese spies in parliament just

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Speaker 3: the other day until we kick them out?

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Speaker 10: Well, how do we know there aren't other spies in parliament?

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Speaker 3: We don't, but that's what we know, and we know

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Speaker 3: you asked me direct question, and they're trying to influence

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Speaker 3: their diasa.

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Speaker 10: They In fact, what they do is they center their

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Speaker 10: attention and my view on China as opposed to other

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Speaker 10: nations around this world.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because China is the biggest threat in our region. Well,

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Speaker 3: I mean that's like that, That's like if there's a

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Speaker 3: giant bully in the room, going, are you focusing too

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Speaker 3: much on the bully? But the bully is literally bullying you.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, but it also feeds these of there getting some

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Speaker 10: money from China or something. I mean, I just think that,

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Speaker 10: you know, it's it's got to be fair truck with

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Speaker 10: all nations, and we are and we should never forget

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Speaker 10: it a trading nation, yes, and that's not to say

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Speaker 10: that they should undermine our democracy. And I don't think

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Speaker 10: for one moment they're doing that. Yes they are, No,

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Speaker 10: they haven't. They haven't had any influence in parliament at all.

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Speaker 3: They had two spies in parliament.

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Speaker 10: Maybe they had, what did they do there would not but.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing, That's what I'm saying. And they got busted

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Speaker 3: and kicked out.

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Speaker 10: Oh that's cool, so they can be there, But what

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Speaker 10: do they do?

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Speaker 3: Barry with respect though, are you not being slightly naive

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Speaker 3: if you think that we should treat China the same

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Speaker 3: way as we treat the US. Given the US as

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Speaker 3: a liberal.

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Speaker 10: Democracy, we well, okay, we look at the form of government.

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Speaker 10: We say, yes, we're closer to the United States. Although

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Speaker 10: don't forget when Donald Trump, if he gets in, he's

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Speaker 10: going to impose a tariff of ten percent on all

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Speaker 10: our own imports into the United States. So it's nice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, he's not cool either. Hey, But which brings

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Speaker 3: us to actually the sovereignty question around this new space

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Speaker 3: link that we've signed up.

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Speaker 10: Like Star Wars, isn't it. And that's probably why the

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Speaker 10: Chinese are a bit sensitive at the moment because we've

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Speaker 10: signed up to what they call Operation Olympic Defender, and

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Speaker 10: that's with the United States, and we're sending a liaison

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Speaker 10: officer to the United States to work there for two years.

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Speaker 10: With this organization. It's the countries that belong to Australia,

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Speaker 10: the UK, Canada and the United States are leading it,

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Speaker 10: of course, and so we've you know, France has been

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Speaker 10: invited but in fact says that can't guarantee sovereignty. Judith

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Speaker 10: Collins to Peace Minister says, look, our sole representative from

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Speaker 10: the military that is there, they'll operate under New Zealand

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Speaker 10: military control.

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Speaker 3: Just the one, please good.

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Speaker 10: I think the Americans might have a bit of an

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Speaker 10: argument about that one.

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Speaker 3: Arry Hey, thank you very much. We'll wrap the political

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Speaker 3: week that was when you come back at about quarter passics.

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Speaker 3: It's very sober. Our senior political correspondent coming up eight

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Speaker 3: away from five, putting the.

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Speaker 1: Tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

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Speaker 14: Breakfast now if you can believe in the concept of

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Speaker 14: ethnic priority appears to be back in our health systems,

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Speaker 14: balking the University medical emeritus Professor DS Gorman's with US

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Speaker 14: I'm understanding this is a deal between Health Hawks Bay

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Speaker 14: and the local primary health. So is it our business

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Speaker 14: or the minister's business or the local business. Do we

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Speaker 14: have an issue here or not.

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Speaker 15: If you believe there are inequities in place which are

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Speaker 15: driving inequalities, you don't solve that by doing something which

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Speaker 15: generates another set of inequities or inequalities. The modern approach

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Speaker 15: to healthcare bikers to focus on a Jordan Rigel, families

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Speaker 15: in need and the the resources in place that they

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Speaker 15: need to actually improve or cover and do well. At

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Speaker 15: the minute you start agregating risks and a level of race,

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Speaker 15: you've lost focus.

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Speaker 14: Back Monday from six am, The Mic Asking Breakfast, the Jaguar.

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Speaker 1: F Pace News Talk z B.

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Speaker 3: Heather, can you please tell Barry that the checkers in

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Speaker 3: the mail thanks from Jingping. He's pleased. He's pleased because

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Speaker 3: he all he wants to do is earn some pootia

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Speaker 3: from his hard work. So thank you. Gee Hey, five

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Speaker 3: away from five I needed to talk to you about

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Speaker 3: what happened with this water care interview yesterday. Now, if

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Speaker 3: you were listening to the show yesterday just after half

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Speaker 3: past five, you may have caught the interview that we

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Speaker 3: had with water Care, the boss of water Care, and

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Speaker 3: this was about the twenty million dollar payment to the

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Speaker 3: y cuttle Ewe Tai Nui that they'd try to keep

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Speaker 3: hidden from basically everyone. I try to keep the thing

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Speaker 3: a secret. Right. Turns out water Care was not quite

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Speaker 3: finished with the old secrets, were they Because even yesterday

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Speaker 3: when Dave was on the radio with us, Dave was

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Speaker 3: not being completely straight up, was he. Someone was listening

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Speaker 3: to that interview and they got in touch with us afterwards.

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Speaker 3: Knew quite a bit about the situation, had some documents

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Speaker 3: to share and pointed out the things that Dave had

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Speaker 3: said that were not true, like this, when Dave said

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Speaker 3: that no money had been paid and.

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Speaker 16: As I've said, to date, we haven't paid any money

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Speaker 16: and because the projects haven't been scoped as to what

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Speaker 16: they are really well, I've.

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Speaker 3: Got a document in my hand there it is that

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Speaker 3: shows actually what Dave said was not true at all.

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Speaker 3: Money was in fact paid on the thirtieth of January

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Speaker 3: this year to the Waikatu Ropatu River Trust one million

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Speaker 3: dollars authorized by the chief executive, So Dave would have

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Speaker 3: known that money had gone out of the bank accounts already,

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Speaker 3: even when he was telling us no money had been spent. Now, frankly,

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Speaker 3: I can't be bothered running you through any more of

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Speaker 3: the phibbs that Dave was trying to tell us, or

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Speaker 3: any of the obfuscation, because there was more of it,

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Speaker 3: by the way, and it all just starts to get

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Speaker 3: too technical and narritating. Just as long as you know

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Speaker 3: that Dave was not being straight up interesting. Water Care

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Speaker 3: must have realized that we were going to get onto this,

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Speaker 3: because they got in touch with us this morning even

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Speaker 3: before we got in touch with them. I think it

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Speaker 3: was like halp past nine or something like that, emailed

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Speaker 3: us to fesce up and say, oh, yeah, Dave got

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Speaker 3: something wrong. Actually we did give them some money. If

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Speaker 3: I had to hazard a guess as to why water

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Speaker 3: Care decided to fesce up before we had actually got

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Speaker 3: onto them, it was probably because they called a crisis

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Speaker 3: team in last night. They called PPR e a PDPR

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Speaker 3: And now PPR is one of the absolute best in

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Speaker 3: the business. And if I had to hazard a guess,

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Speaker 3: because I know that PPR know their business inside out

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Speaker 3: and make a point of being honest, probably PPR said

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Speaker 3: to them, yeah, did you tell the truth? Oh, you

696
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Speaker 3: should probably fess up asap, and so they did. That

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Speaker 3: would just be my guess as to why they were

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Speaker 3: fescing up about it. But yeah, lesson from this is

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Speaker 3: keep a sharp eye on water care because honesty is

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Speaker 3: not something that they are obviously tots cool with. And

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Speaker 3: also doesn't this make the whole thing worse because now

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Speaker 3: finding out even before the project are scoped, even before

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Speaker 3: they know what the money is going to be spent on,

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Speaker 3: they just rolled another million dollars of eight payer dollars

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Speaker 3: out the door to these guys. How much more worried

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Speaker 3: about the say you now me a lot?

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Speaker 17: News Talk Zedbig, the only drive show you can trust

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Speaker 17: to ask the questions, get the answers by the facts

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Speaker 17: and give the analysis together due to clan drive with

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Speaker 17: One New Zealand, let's get connected a news talk.

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Speaker 2: As 'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. The Health Minister has asked for a please explain

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Speaker 3: after learning that Health New Zealand has decided to make

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Speaker 3: GP visits and Hawks Bay free for fourteen to twenty

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Speaker 3: four year olds if they're Mari or PACIFICA. This is

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Speaker 3: very much out of step with what the coalition government's

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Speaker 3: policies are Act Party leader and Associate Health Minister David

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Speaker 3: Seymour is with us, Hey David, heyhiber what are you

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Speaker 3: going to do about it?

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Speaker 18: Well, we're relying on our Minister of Health to issue

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Speaker 18: the please explain. Technically they can say that it's operational,

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Speaker 18: but at the end of the day they will very

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Speaker 18: soon face a Cabinet circular, a directive to the entire

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Speaker 18: public service which they must follow that says public services

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Speaker 18: must be delivered on need not race, which is an

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Speaker 18: Act Party coalition commitment that is going to be released imminently,

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Speaker 18: and I think that's going to find finally make it

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Speaker 18: official for these bureaucrats to it. Kind of like those

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Speaker 18: Japanese soldiers after World War II. They're all through the

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Speaker 18: public service, still fighting the war, but I can tell

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Speaker 18: them the war's over.

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Speaker 3: So is it the case that despite what you guys

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Speaker 3: may say, short of the circular, despite what you guys

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Speaker 3: may say at the moment, howth New Zealand could just

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Speaker 3: give you the finger and carry on?

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Speaker 18: Well, you can put it that way. I'd describe it

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Speaker 18: this way. It's not like flicking a switch. So yep,

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Speaker 18: there'll be people out there who say, well, we voted

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Speaker 18: for you guys, for change, why hasn't this change? Ultimately,

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Speaker 18: the New Zealand government, I think, is about a quarter

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Speaker 18: million people and it's all about getting change in behavior

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Speaker 18: and attitude. And some of them are, of course, their

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Speaker 18: starting point is totally opposed. They won't have voted for

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Speaker 18: the government. They think that they can undermine it. But

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Speaker 18: over time we subdue them and so they actually know

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Speaker 18: that the people of New Zealand do want this. And

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Speaker 18: the ultimate persuasion is that we are all human. Universal

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Speaker 18: humanity is what unites us, and the sooner we start

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Speaker 18: focusing on that rather than making ethnicity our primary characteristic,

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Speaker 18: the sooner we can get stuck into addressing the real

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Speaker 18: issues like poor quality housing and diet.

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Speaker 3: Do you think howth New Zealand is trying to be

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Speaker 3: defined and undermine the government.

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Speaker 18: I have no doubt there will be people there who

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Speaker 18: genuinely believe in the ideology that the Treaty of White

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Speaker 18: Tongue is a partnership between races, and therefore we should

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Speaker 18: first approach New Zealanders as members of a racial group.

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Speaker 3: On are you saying they know full well with the

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Speaker 3: government's position on this? Stuff is and they're just being

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Speaker 3: defined and carrying on anyway.

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Speaker 18: Well, put it this way, if they don't know what

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Speaker 18: the government's position is, I'm not really sure how else myself,

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Speaker 18: Chris lux and Winston Peters or any other member of

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Speaker 18: the coalition government, we've been saying it pretty clearly and

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Speaker 18: very soon we will issue a cabinet circular.

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Speaker 3: O heart to issue this cabinet circular. It's just a notification.

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Speaker 3: Why don't you get onto it.

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Speaker 18: Well, we actually have done it. But what I would

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Speaker 18: say is that it's not as simple as just saying

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Speaker 18: everything need not race. What we have done and you'll

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Speaker 18: see it soon is outlined exactly how you go through

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Speaker 18: the process of saying, okay, there's some people who aren't

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Speaker 18: doing so well health wise, Let's look at all the

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Speaker 18: reasons for that. So I mentioned housing, for example, living

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Speaker 18: in rural areas, being poorer, you know, perhaps lifestyle choice

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Speaker 18: is smoking, eating, and so on. Let's look at all

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Speaker 18: the data, at all the evidence, and hey, if all

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Speaker 18: of that stuff notwithstanding, there's still a difference between Mara

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Speaker 18: and non Murray, then I don't mind targeting Mario as

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Speaker 18: a group. But let's use the actual data, because I

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Speaker 18: think what you'll often find. Well, actually it reminds me

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Speaker 18: of you'll mate Paddy Gower, who once said, I want

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Speaker 18: David Seymour to tell me why a person living right

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Speaker 18: next door to this house lives seven years less than

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Speaker 18: a Pakia. And the thing is, Paddy, he was in

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Speaker 18: a house in gray Lynn. Now a person that lives

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Speaker 18: in a five million dollar villa in gray Lynn probably

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Speaker 18: has a whole lot of other features about them that

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Speaker 18: means they are going to live a long period of time,

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Speaker 18: such as their wealth and health and education and so on.

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Speaker 18: And that's first of all Paddy Gower, as has been

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Speaker 18: showing on your show as not a deep thinker. But

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Speaker 18: second of all, we do need deep thinking. We do

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Speaker 18: need to dig into the data and statistics and actually

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Speaker 18: start targeting need because once you start looking at the

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Speaker 18: evidence instead of lasily grouping people by race, not only

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Speaker 18: is it less divisive, but you can take a practical

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Speaker 18: approach to okay, maybe a tousing.

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Speaker 3: Okay, David, thank you very much, David. See what agg

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Speaker 3: party leaders? So I said health. I was going to

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Speaker 3: try to ask David, when's the circular coming out? But

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Speaker 3: I thought you could tell by the length of the answers.

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Speaker 3: We're going to be here all day. If I asked

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Speaker 3: in that question, maybe Laura could ask him on the

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Speaker 3: line police and then let us know. It's twelve past five.

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Speaker 1: Heather, do for see out down to something else.

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Speaker 3: Coppers are having to use force more often nowadays. According

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Speaker 3: to the annual Tactical Options Report, the use of force

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Speaker 3: by police is up nine percent in the last year.

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Speaker 3: Chris Carhill is the Police Association's Chief executive A.

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Speaker 6: Chris Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Why is there this increase in police having to use force?

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Speaker 6: Well, it's the nature of the incidents police are having

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Speaker 6: to attend. But some good news in this While it

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Speaker 6: has increased nine percent, the number of incidents police of

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Speaker 6: attendant has increased eleven percent, so that's actually a net decrease,

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Speaker 6: so that's quite a positive outcome.

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Speaker 3: And well, when we talk about them having to use force,

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Speaker 3: is this everything from having to use a firearm through

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Speaker 3: to just having to tackle somebody to the ground. Is

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Speaker 3: that what we're talking about?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, So it can be what we call empty

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Speaker 6: hand tactics right through the use of pepper spray tasers

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Speaker 6: and in the worst scenario of firearms.

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Speaker 3: Is this because Chris, we are seeing this increased level

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Speaker 3: of violence being imported from Australia or is it because

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Speaker 3: we ourselves are more agro than we were some time ago.

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Speaker 6: No, it is really I think a state of more

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Speaker 6: people are willing to have a go with police. But

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Speaker 6: it can depend on the type of instance. We've clearly

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Speaker 6: got some significant mental health issues in New Zealand and

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Speaker 6: unfortunately a lot of the time police have to deploy

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Speaker 6: tactical options on people suffering mental distress. That's why I

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Speaker 6: really please see some changes and who actually takes responsibility

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Speaker 6: for those incidents as well.

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Speaker 3: Chris, I was surprised at how much of a hassle

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Speaker 3: gang members are. They only make up zero point two

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Speaker 3: percent of the national population according to this report, but

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Speaker 3: they accounted for nine percent of these tactical events.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and the ore the biggest concern. I think that

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Speaker 6: a group because they also have shown much more of

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Speaker 6: the willingness to have a go at police. That is

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Speaker 6: something that I think the five oh one deportees has changed.

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Speaker 6: Also that the younger group of people joining police and

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Speaker 6: sorry joining gangs who have a different response to get

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Speaker 6: to police officers as a concern to me. And now

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Speaker 6: Obviously I've got to address why are young people joining gangs?

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Speaker 6: But equally, now the level of violence is concerning for officers.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, when cops are dealing with non gang offenders,

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Speaker 3: like an offender who isn't patched, eight percent of them

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Speaker 3: likely to be armed, with gang members twenty five percent

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Speaker 3: of them likely to be armed. That number is so high.

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Speaker 3: Are the cops routinely just arming up themselves when they

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Speaker 3: have to go deal with the gangs?

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Speaker 6: Now, look at frontline cops will tell you when they

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Speaker 6: stop a gang car, they believe that there's such a

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Speaker 6: high chance of the firearm being present that they created

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Speaker 6: life was likely to be And that's the risk assessment

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Speaker 6: they take. And you can understand why they would see

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Speaker 6: these statistics.

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Speaker 3: Chris, it's good to talk to you. Thank you for that.

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Speaker 3: Appreciated this. Chris Carhill, the chief executive of the Police Association.

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Speaker 3: On that, did you say there was a shooting in

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Speaker 3: gray Linn last night? Now? Now, gray lin is suck

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Speaker 3: a nice part of Aucklint, right, This bets being gentrified.

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Speaker 3: It's full of people who are professionals and families and

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Speaker 3: stuff like that. So we're shooting in Grayln is kind

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Speaker 3: of a slightly shocking thing. That was the fourth homicide

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Speaker 3: investigation that a police have launched just in the last

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Speaker 3: ten days. That's just in Auckland, Okay, four homicide investigations

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Speaker 3: in ten days in one city. For the North Island,

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Speaker 3: the numbers are even more staggering just since the start

873
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Speaker 3: of August. That's just slightly over a month, right, a

874
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Speaker 3: month and five days. Ten homicide investigations. What the hell

875
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 3: is going on? And the one in Graylan is not

876
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 3: even like it's petty as all hell. No gangs involved, Yeah,

877
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Speaker 3: some criminals. What it was was a bit of a

878
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 3: neighborly dispute, damage to property, broken windows on cars and houses,

879
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 3: escalated kid gets shot on the street, not say quarter past.

880
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Speaker 3: We all want to be the best, but not all

881
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Speaker 3: of us get to say that we actually are the best.

882
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Speaker 3: One company that can, though proudly claim the Saccolade is

883
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Speaker 3: one New Zealand. They have just been named as having

884
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Speaker 3: the best mobile network in New Zealand. Forget this the

885
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Speaker 3: third year running now. The award was handed out in

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Speaker 3: May by independent benchmarking organization UMLAUT and these guys test

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Speaker 3: and compare more than two hundred mobile networks worldwide. Off

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Speaker 3: the three major key we tellcos, One New Zealand's mobile

889
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Speaker 3: network was the one that performed the best. They came

890
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Speaker 3: out on top for voice and data, and they also

891
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Speaker 3: had the most reliable network. That's the mobile network obviously.

892
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Speaker 3: Now the results are very good news for One New Zealand.

893
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Speaker 3: They invest millions of dollars every year into the network.

894
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Speaker 3: Also good news for people like you and me who

895
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Speaker 3: rely heavily on our phones for both work and personal

896
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Speaker 3: use and need a mobile network that keeps us connected.

897
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Speaker 3: Zealand's most reliable mobile network, jump online and visit one

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Speaker 1: Heather dupers Ellen.

901
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 3: Alrighty, Heather, Dave's legend as in, like Dave Seymour, Dave's

902
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 3: a leegend. But bloody hell does he have a hidden

903
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 3: blowhole because he he never seems to come up for

904
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 3: He's got so many words coming out of his mouth,

905
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 3: doesn't either you know what's going on here? David Seymour's

906
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 3: got a lot of thoughts in his head and they've

907
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: all got to come at you one. So you've just

908
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 3: got to make sure that you ask the most important

909
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 3: questions first and then forsake everything else. And on the

910
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: question that I was wanting to ask, when is the

911
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 3: circular coming out? It sounds like literally any minute now,

912
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 3: So I would put my money on the fact that

913
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 3: it's out by the end of September. Keep an eye

914
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 3: on that it's coming up twenty past five. Now, there

915
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: are questions around spending re some of Women's Refuges money.

916
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 3: There are three senior staff members at the Portado A

917
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: branch who've been suspended while a forensic accountant investigates money

918
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 3: that was spent on get this dental work, beauty treatment, haircuts,

919
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 3: and flights to the Gold Coast. Charities law expert Sue

920
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 3: Barker's with us on this a Sue Hi, he how

921
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 3: are you very well? Thank you now? Suit Listen, even

922
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: if this was best case scenario legit spending from a

923
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Speaker 3: fund that was meant for the well being of staff,

924
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 3: how do you think this is going to go down

925
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 3: with the public who donate.

926
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 12: Well, I think that's an important question. I mean, it

927
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 12: is important to bear in mind that charities are really struggling.

928
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 12: It is really hard for them to recruit and retain

929
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 12: staff at the moment in the current climate, and people

930
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 12: in charities work really hard. So in principle, I don't

931
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 12: think there's a problem with having a well being fun

932
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Speaker 12: to reward staff, you know, to look after staff, to

933
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 12: monarchy their staff. I think in principle that's not inherently problematic.

934
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 12: But I think the problem is is that every decision

935
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 12: when it comes to a charity must be made in

936
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 12: the best interest of the charitable purposes. Now this is

937
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 12: subject to an investigation, so I wouldn't want to comment

938
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Speaker 12: on the specifics, but in principle, every charity must make

939
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Speaker 12: sure every payment meets that test.

940
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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so look at this through the eyes of

941
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Speaker 3: somebody who's donated to them. You find out that a

942
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 3: staff member has spent two hundred dollars at the dentist

943
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 3: and it's been signed off. Best case scenario, that's not

944
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 3: a good look as it.

945
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 12: Well, you know, how far down do you want to go?

946
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 12: I mean, people support charities to support their charitable purposes,

947
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 12: and I think questions like this really are very difficult

948
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 12: for charities. That charities are in a very vulnerable position

949
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 12: because they need the support of the public in order

950
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 12: to receive the funding that they need in order to

951
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 12: further their charitable perps, and questions like this can can

952
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 12: really be very difficult for a charity. And it's important

953
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 12: to note that it's not really woman's refuge, you know,

954
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 12: it's it's slightly apart from women's refuge, and it worries

955
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 12: me that the women's refuge might be tainted by something

956
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 12: that's not necessarily attributable to them.

957
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're onto something there, so hey, thank

958
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: you very much appreciated. Sue Barker, charity's law expert here. Yes,

959
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 3: you're right about Graylan absolutely generally a super an upper

960
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 3: socioeconomic suburb, but that part of Grayln to at Angy

961
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 3: Road not so much. That's also a fair point.

962
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 16: Five.

963
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: Two the men you trust to get the answers you need.

964
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: Heather duple c allan drive with One New Zealand let's

965
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 2: get connected a news talk as they'd be either.

966
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 3: After listening to Sue, I'm never donating money to another

967
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 3: charity two thousand dollars on someone's dental work as nuts,

968
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 3: I can kind of understand where you're coming from that.

969
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 3: Do you not be honest with you? I don't donate

970
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 3: money to charities for exactly this reason. I just give

971
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 3: money to people directly if I think they need it,

972
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 3: because I just don't trust charities anymore. Too many negative

973
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 3: stories like this. I'm not just harming themselves and Women's Refuge,

974
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 3: the harming the whole charitable sector, I would argue. Anyway,

975
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 3: it's twenty five past five. Now listen. If you were

976
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 3: listening to the show last night, you might have had

977
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 3: your mind blown ever so slightly by Mike Munroe, former

978
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 3: advisor to Jacinda Rdurn, and his opinion on the bike

979
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 3: rack in Wellington. Mike last night did not think that

980
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 3: there was any problem with spending more than five hundred

981
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 3: thousand dollars five hundred and sixty thousand dollars plus on

982
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 3: an extremely flash bike rack in Wellington and also the

983
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 3: associated foot path upgrades and stuff. He didn't think that

984
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 3: was too much money. Now, we shouldn't have actually had

985
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 3: our minds blown by this, because obviously there are people

986
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 3: in the world who think like this, and you can

987
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 3: find them at Wellington City Council commissioning the bike rack.

988
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 3: That's how the thing happens, because there are whole bunch

989
00:46:58,200 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: of people who don't see a problem with it all

990
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 3: the way through the food chain at Wellington City Council.

991
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 3: I don't know how you convince somebody that that is

992
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 3: too much money if they don't think it's too much

993
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 3: money for a bike crack. But what I would say

994
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 3: to somebody like that is, whether it's Mike or the

995
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 3: Wellington City Council staff or whatever, look at what's happening

996
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 3: to Wellington today. Pandora has announced it shutting its three

997
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 3: cafes or they've been operating in Wellington for twenty two years,

998
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 3: survived the GFC, survived, COVID shutting. Eggmont Street Eatery, which

999
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 3: is a cool, classy little joint that closed this week.

1000
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 3: Concord Cafe has closed, Service depot, the clothing store has closed,

1001
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 3: two bars, Rubricks and sugar Woods have gone into liquidation.

1002
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 3: Ivette Edwards the florist has closed. That's not even a

1003
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 3: comprehensive list. That's just the stuff that's closed recently. Is

1004
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 3: much much more than that going on there. Wellington businesses

1005
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 3: are in trouble.

1006
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 6: Now.

1007
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 3: Listen to what the owner of Pandora blames for having

1008
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 3: to shut down. He blames the economic downturn we're all suffering.

1009
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 3: He blames the public service redundancies and he blames Wellington

1010
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 3: City Council. He says no one will come to Wellington

1011
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 3: City if the council keeps stuffing the city. And part

1012
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 3: of what's shut down his store as Allen Street Bakery

1013
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 3: was the cycle track outside. By the way. The Auckland

1014
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 3: Bakery is fine, that's going to carry on. It's just

1015
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 3: the Wellington one shutting and it's the cycle track that

1016
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 3: closed that particular one. So there's your problem with the

1017
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 3: bike crack spend. It's money being wasted on nice to haves,

1018
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 3: funded by rates that businesses pay while the businesses themselves

1019
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: go under. What really the council should have done was

1020
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 3: just not spent the money, not spent the money on

1021
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 3: a nice to have, and drop the rates back ever

1022
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 3: so slightly and then added a whole bunch of other

1023
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 3: ice to haves in there as well, and dropped the

1024
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 3: rates a whole lot, because if you drop the rates

1025
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 3: far enough, maybe the businesses can stay open. But instead

1026
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 3: they were rated through the roof and now they're closing.

1027
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: Hever du for they've also got.

1028
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 3: A nice bike rack, so hey, there's silver lining. I

1029
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 3: suppose now Liam Napier is going to be with us

1030
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 3: next because of course we've got the All Blacks versus

1031
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 3: the spring Box rematch this upcoming weekend, which we're all

1032
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 3: going to be very zen abouts, right, We're all just

1033
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 3: going to relax about this. I don't know how relaxed

1034
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 3: a Rugby writer is about the situation he's going to

1035
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 3: explain to us shortly. And also the governance thing, you know,

1036
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 3: that thing in Rugby, that boring old technical thing finally resolved,

1037
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 3: so we'll talk to the sports huddle about it.

1038
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 2: Shortly on your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and

1039
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 2: in your car on your drive home. Hither duper c

1040
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 2: Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and

1041
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: news talk as z' be.

1042
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 3: Hither It's John. I'm gonna miss my cheese done at

1043
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 3: Pandora on Wednesdays. And those bus lanes bike lanes are

1044
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 3: slowing down my bus yet it's a real grind day

1045
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: and the Chiese gone thing is quite sad. Apparently after

1046
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 3: it was announced today Pandora just got flooded in Wellington

1047
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 3: with all these people who were like, must have it today,

1048
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 3: must have it today. The pity about that is if

1049
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 3: they just had that adage attitude in the last few

1050
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 3: weeks maybe it wouldn't be in this position. But listen,

1051
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 3: we're going to talk about a little bit more with

1052
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 3: a member of the Courtney Place Precinct group, just about

1053
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 3: how what is going on in the central city and

1054
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 3: Wellington is really stuffing the place for these guys be

1055
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 3: with us after six and the sports hitle standing by

1056
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 3: to have a chat to us. It's twenty four away

1057
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 3: from six right now. Now. Just like the All Blacks did,

1058
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 3: the Springbox have also made a bunch of changes to

1059
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 3: their side ahead of the second Test in Capetown this weekend.

1060
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 3: According to the South African Rugby Press, it's a more

1061
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 3: experienced and less experimental Box lineup. Liam Napier is the

1062
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 3: chief sports writer at The Herald with us now.

1063
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: Hey Liam, evening, Heather.

1064
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 3: That says to me that they know that after a

1065
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 3: defeats the All Blacks bounce back hard and they're prepared

1066
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 3: for it.

1067
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, I think you're on the right track there.

1068
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 19: It's a bit of a flip the script one because

1069
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 19: the spring Box have recalled some of their World Cup

1070
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 19: winners and the All Blacks conversely have gone to youth.

1071
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,240
Speaker 19: So it's going to be interesting to see which tactics

1072
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 19: prevail this weekend and one of the greatest cities on

1073
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 19: Earth in Capetown.

1074
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Speaker 3: Probably some of the best news for the spring Boxes

1075
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 3: that see Akalisi's been clear to play after that facial INJURYA.

1076
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 19: He's a massively inspirational figure throughout South Africa, not just

1077
00:50:55,640 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 19: in the rugby context. Heather very galvanizing, uniting character who's

1078
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 19: been a massive influence in the SPRINGBOKX winning back to

1079
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 19: back World Cup titles. So it was thought that he

1080
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 19: had a facial fracture, but he's recovered swiftly inside a week,

1081
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 19: so a big in for them.

1082
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 3: Do you think the changes that the All Blacks have

1083
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 3: made were smart or did they read to you as

1084
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 3: panicking slightly?

1085
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Speaker 1: To me, it is a bit reactionary.

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00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 19: Two of them were injury enforced, with Caleb Clark and

1087
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 19: Ethan Blacket are unavailable due to injuries, but the others

1088
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 19: are a direct reaction to what happened last week and

1089
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 19: the final quarter collapse. Trying to counter the Springbox bomb squad.

1090
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Speaker 19: Bench putting some experience on the All Blacks bench and

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00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 19: I think you'll see the All Blacks look to play

1092
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 19: the game at pace and attack the Springboks for longer

1093
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 19: that they did so well last week for sixty minutes

1094
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 19: and then just blew it by kicking the ball away

1095
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 19: through all discipline and some real inexperience on the bench.

1096
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Speaker 19: So I think it is a real reaction to that

1097
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 19: large quarter and basically looking over their shoulder, worrying about

1098
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 19: that bomb squad from the spring Box and trying to counter.

1099
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, how relaxed are you going to be if

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Speaker 3: the All Blacks lose? How much slack are you going

1101
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 3: to cut? Razor?

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00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 19: Well, look there is an element of rebuilding for the

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00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 19: All Blacks, but look this is the All Blacks. It's

1104
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 19: huge demands on the massive expectations. The All Blacks haven't

1105
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 19: lost to the spring Box hither four times in seventy

1106
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 19: five years. And they have held the Freedom Cup, which

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00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 19: is a trophy that was brought into mark ten years

1108
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Speaker 19: of South African democracy. They've held that cup for fifteen years.

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Speaker 19: So this is a significant test. Records at stake, there's

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00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 19: legacies on the line, and the All Blacks are expected

1111
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 19: to win every test. It doesn't matter if it's the

1112
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 19: World champions in their backyard or you know, Australia in Australia.

1113
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 8: So Razer's got a tough job.

1114
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 19: There's been big post World Cup exits and he's still

1115
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 19: trying to find his best fifteen. But we expect the

1116
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 19: All Blacks to win every week.

1117
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 3: Liam, you're a tough task master. I appreciate it. It's

1118
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 3: Liam Napier, the Herald Chief sports writer. It's coming up

1119
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:10,439
Speaker 3: twenty away from.

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Speaker 2: Six the Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty,

1121
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 2: Unparallel Reach and Results.

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00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 7: Sportunity to play fall back and give sevu's world class

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Speaker 7: wing with make Tale who he goes pretty well as well.

1124
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 10: So it's a mixed for us.

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Speaker 15: My name was.

1126
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 7: Wallace played for the Chiefs and Sir Grabby this year

1127
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 7: played a number for the Chiefs and hopefully a bit

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00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 7: off as a Caledy this week.

1129
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Speaker 3: A lot of the responses though, is also just due

1130
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 3: to people not being very familiar with breaking and the

1131
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 3: diversity of approaches on the sports tuddle of us this

1132
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 3: evening and got Nick Burley news to ZEDB Canterbury sports

1133
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 3: reader and Andrew Gordy are in z be key we

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00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 3: head of communications hire you can I hit it now, Gordy,

1135
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 3: I bumped into you this morning.

1136
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Speaker 18: Didn't know.

1137
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 3: We're out for a walk out for a walk along

1138
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 3: the just promenading, and you and I got discussing Raiser,

1139
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 3: and you and I have agreed that we're going to

1140
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 3: cut him some slack unlike Liam.

1141
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,399
Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, I'm definitely cutting him some slack. Hither. I've

1142
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 8: got no problems with that. What's about.

1143
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 20: He's new to the job, okay, and you've got to

1144
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 20: give the guys some time to be it in. But

1145
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 20: I have it's funny that we're bringing this up. I've

1146
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 20: been really surprised at how unwilling some people are to

1147
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 20: cut him some slack. I was down in christ Church

1148
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 20: only a few weeks ago at an event down there,

1149
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 20: and people were watching around the table as they fell

1150
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 20: to defeat obviously against Argentina and a room full of Cantabrians.

1151
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 20: I couldn't believe how many people were saying, Rais has

1152
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 20: got to go bring back Fossy. I don't know what's

1153
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 20: going on down there at christ urchu Lee, but I

1154
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 20: could not believe what I was hearing.

1155
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 8: I mean, he's only new to the job. Give him

1156
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 8: some time for good two right, Nick?

1157
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 3: Can you explain it?

1158
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1159
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 21: I can't explain that I feel like that's treason, isn't it?

1160
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 21: Ordered back over the cook straight. But look, I'm on

1161
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 21: the same sort of song sheet to Gordy there. Look,

1162
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 21: this is the first year of a Rugby World Cup cycle.

1163
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 21: It's buying larger an opportunity to experiment in the way

1164
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 21: you want to play and who you want to be

1165
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 21: there playing this week for example, you know, having a

1166
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 21: guy like Wallace Attiiti really out of the wilderness getting

1167
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:26,280
Speaker 21: a real introduction into international rugby, first start at blindside, flank,

1168
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 21: at first start full stop, Will Jordan a second test

1169
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 21: start at fullback. And this is against the two time

1170
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 21: world champions.

1171
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Speaker 8: So I think some slack needs to be cut.

1172
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 21: As you were alluding to earlier that I think it's

1173
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 21: the nature of however they play as opposed.

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00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 3: As you want something here, this is what I think

1175
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 3: that there is nothing.

1176
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 21: To be ashamed about losing to the two time world

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Speaker 21: champions at Alice Park in front of however many thousand

1178
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 21: people thereby a few points. Yes, they blew it in

1179
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 21: the last fifteen minutes and they have acknowledged that. But

1180
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 21: at this by the same token, if they were to

1181
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 21: lose by seven points or least this weekend, I think

1182
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 21: some slack totally.

1183
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 3: So Nick is onto something there? Gaudy because it is,

1184
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 3: it's not it's not that you lose, it's how you lose.

1185
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 3: So what are we looking for from the All Blacks,

1186
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 3: even in even if we lose the game, what are

1187
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 3: we looking for to convince us that yes, they're onto

1188
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 3: something here?

1189
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,959
Speaker 8: Well? Yeah, as Nixt says, it's the style of play.

1190
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 20: But also coming back to what Liam's said, Razor doesn't

1191
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 20: really know what his first choice fifteen is yet and

1192
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 20: we're probably not going to find that out for quite

1193
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 20: some time yet.

1194
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 8: But what's the panic here? What is the panic?

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00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 20: Like we're after a World Cup year, this is the

1196
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 20: year that you use to bed in your your first

1197
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Speaker 20: choice playing fifteen and your style of the play. So

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Speaker 20: I'm not I'm almost writing this season off.

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Speaker 6: To be perfect.

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00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 3: The whole season.

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Speaker 20: One thing I will say, though, Well I'm not going

1202
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 20: to say the whole season, but you know I'm going

1203
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 20: to cut them some slack for a year, That's what

1204
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 20: I'm saying.

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Speaker 8: But look, you look at the selection of Walstiti. I

1206
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 8: mean it's it's hilarious.

1207
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 20: Even in your intro, they're hearing of having to effectively

1208
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 20: introduce himself to the media. You may not have heard

1209
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 20: of me, but I'm starting at blindside flanker for the

1210
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 20: All Blacks this week. Look, that is the kind of

1211
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 20: selection and we'll see how it goes. I'm excited by

1212
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 20: the selection personally. I think whilst the t t as

1213
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 20: a player with massive potential, he's clearly an explosive player.

1214
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 20: But that is the sort of selection that for Scott Robertson,

1215
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,479
Speaker 20: it's sort of lived by the sword, died by the sword.

1216
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 20: That's either going to go great or it's going to

1217
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 20: backfire spectacularly, and he will need to be there and

1218
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 20: stand and answer the questions if that doesn't come off,

1219
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 20: but I certainly hope it does for both and Wallace's sake.

1220
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, explain the governance stuff to me. What is

1221
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 3: this compromise? Are we the option?

1222
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 21: Honestly, Heather, I swear every time I answer the phone

1223
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 21: from ant asking me to come on this panel, there

1224
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 21: is another update and the sorry governance sarga.

1225
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 7: It is just becoming a running joke.

1226
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Speaker 21: But look, I'm relatively pleased to inform the listeners out there.

1227
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 21: It looks like some compromise and some common sense has

1228
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 21: been reached. Looks like we are going to move forward

1229
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 21: now that we have a couple of adjustments to what

1230
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 21: was initially voted through proposal to by the provincial unions

1231
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 21: and that being around that provincial experience not necessarily just

1232
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 21: has to be on the board. Now it can be

1233
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 21: on the executive So I think that's a that will

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00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 21: make our friend Rob Nickel at the Players Association relatively happy.

1235
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 21: And then having the New Zealand Schools and the New

1236
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 21: Zealand Rugby Foundation involved as well on the on the

1237
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,439
Speaker 21: Government's governance panel, taking it to ten. So a couple

1238
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 21: of little adjustments there. It looks like ultimately, you know,

1239
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 21: there's people here that were never going to agree on

1240
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 21: every little detail and some collaboration and some common sense

1241
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 21: is finally provailed.

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Speaker 8: So I think this is a win.

1243
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 21: I just hope now that we do get a very

1244
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 21: good New Zealand Rugby board to addrease some massive issues

1245
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 21: in the game, we get the transformational change we're all

1246
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 21: after you.

1247
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 3: Thank god he explained it to us, Gordy, because now

1248
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 3: now I understand it got so deep in the weeds,

1249
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 3: isn't it.

1250
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 8: Oh, it's ridiculous. Heather and as someone put it to

1251
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 8: me earlier, actually got made of mind.

1252
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 20: Said, it's with what's been going on with New Zealand

1253
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 20: Rugby and all the stakeholders in the last few months.

1254
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,439
Speaker 20: It's been like watching your house burn down and arguing

1255
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 20: with your neighbor about who started it. It doesn't really matter,

1256
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 20: but you've got a much much bigger problem here. Cut

1257
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 20: the crab, put your differences aside and come to some

1258
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 20: kind of agreement that's going to get this sport moving forward.

1259
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 20: But look, yeah, clearly compromis has been made on both sides,

1260
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 20: but I don't think we would have reached agreement if

1261
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 20: if all parties weren't to some degree at least happy

1262
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 20: for that too.

1263
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, we're going to take a break and come

1264
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 3: back shortly. Right now, it is coming up fourteen away

1265
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 3: from six.

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Speaker 3: Twelve away from six Back to the sports Hale, Andrew Gordon,

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Speaker 3: Nick Buley, Andrew GORDI did you see what happened to Israel?

1270
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 3: A designia on K wrote.

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00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 20: I did, I did, and it's astonishing isn't it imagine

1272
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 20: having such a brain cell deficiency here that that you

1273
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 20: would you would be driving along and you bark at

1274
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 20: someone in a McLaren and then you stop and naturally

1275
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 20: decide to have an argument with them. Outsteps israel A

1276
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 20: to Sognya, and you still back yourself to beat them

1277
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 20: in a fight. I can't quite get my head around that.

1278
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 20: But actually, based on what I've seen and based on

1279
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 20: what's been said and written, and that's all I can.

1280
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 8: Go off so far.

1281
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 20: Thought I thought I was perfectly happy with how Israel

1282
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 20: handed and handled himself told the god walk away.

1283
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, sure, a bit of.

1284
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 20: Everything and blinding and whatnot, and maybe pull the finger

1285
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 20: and stuff like that. But I mean, I've seen much

1286
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 20: much worse. And in fact, that said he's seen much

1287
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 20: much worse in the last of twenty four hours, so

1288
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 20: I think he I think he did absolutely fine.

1289
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 3: Yes, it's weird. Darcy was suggesting to me when he

1290
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 3: was in earlier nick that actually, this kind of thing

1291
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 3: does happen to sports stars from time to time, and

1292
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 3: he knew of some who'd actually would wander around the

1293
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 3: city with the security guard to stop it happening.

1294
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: What's going on?

1295
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Speaker 21: I think sadly here that we live in a generation

1296
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 21: a bit like with keyboard worries, where someone can just

1297
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Speaker 21: whip out a phone and they think they're a hero

1298
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 21: because they can say this, that and the other thing without.

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01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 8: Any real consequence.

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Speaker 21: And it would have probably taken everything.

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Speaker 7: As to Son, you had to.

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Speaker 21: Hold back because obviously he must have known if he

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Speaker 21: actually did act on what he wanted to do, the

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Speaker 21: fallout people would have caught him a thug. You know,

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Speaker 21: sponsors et cetera wouldn't have been happy. But I just

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Speaker 21: can't Yeah, like Gordy was saying, can't grasp why someone

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Speaker 21: a would do that to anyone, let alone Israel out

1308
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Speaker 21: to Son you.

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Speaker 3: I've had Gordy a little bit of a little bit

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Speaker 3: of resistance on the text machine to calling Raygun an athlete.

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Speaker 20: Look as she an athlete, I don't know, but she's

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Speaker 20: an icon and a superstar in my eyes. I mean,

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Speaker 20: as we were saying earlier today, mate, like I can't

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Speaker 20: name you a single other breakdancer from the Olympic Games,

1315
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Speaker 20: but Raygun is a superstar. She didn't need to win

1316
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Speaker 20: a gold, silver, or bronze medal to make a name

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Speaker 20: for herself. Out of these Olympic Games.

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Speaker 11: I love it.

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Speaker 20: I absolutely love her. I love her attitude. I actually,

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Speaker 20: I actually really love her attitude to what she did

1321
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Speaker 20: at the Olympic Games. Even she knew she wasn't going

1322
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Speaker 20: to win any kind of medal, so she did something

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Speaker 20: that was going to stand out and make a name

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Speaker 20: for herself.

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Speaker 8: And she's absolutely achieved that. So or all credit to her.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And do you know what, Nick, I'm coming up

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Speaker 3: with a theory that your reaction to Raygun says everything

1328
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 3: about you and how you view the world. And I

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Speaker 3: loved I loved her. What about you, Nick, Now you're

1330
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Speaker 3: on the spot. Did you love it?

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Speaker 21: Oh? Yeah, I have no exception with ray Gun whatsoever.

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Speaker 21: And I think it says to Gordy's point that I

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Speaker 21: don't even know what Raygun's name is.

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Speaker 8: I just know her as Raygun. It's Rachel something, isn't

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Speaker 8: it Rachel Rachel Gun? Sure?

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Speaker 21: Okay, here we go, right, She's basically she's as good

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Speaker 21: as seals as far as I'm concerned. She can go

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Speaker 21: around with one name, that's it. But look like she's

1339
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 21: capitalizing on her moment, isn't she? And all powered to

1340
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 21: her like surely there's I don't know, new Balance or

1341
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 21: Nike or someone something accustomed to break dancing and get

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Speaker 21: on board and enjoy this moment.

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01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, what one?

1344
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 7: Why shouldn't you?

1345
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 21: But she's she's she's savoring the moment of fame.

1346
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 3: Because your baby in the background I heard trying.

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01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 1: Yeah that that'll be my baby.

1348
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 21: Yeah, we THEO coming up fifteen months?

1349
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 3: So how's it going here? How's it going?

1350
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 8: And join that juggle? Are we're getting into parenting on

1351
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:51,479
Speaker 8: the sports title?

1352
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1353
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Speaker 8: Any tips for me?

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Speaker 3: Oh, Bordie, you've got you've got more children than me,

1355
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 3: You've got double me. What's your tips for neck?

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Speaker 8: I'll just say good luck, mate, good luck.

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01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 20: It just gets easier doing pretty well being on the

1359
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Speaker 20: radio right now and also looking after a fifteen month

1360
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Speaker 20: old baby.

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Speaker 8: So I think you're nailing it well. Shout out to

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Speaker 8: the boss Missus Beuley. She's got well under control. So

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Speaker 8: I wouldn't be doing this if it was just me.

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01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 3: I got two pieces of advice from from a girlfriend

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01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 3: that that pulled me through. Number One, it gets easier,

1366
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 3: every single bit gets easier. And number two, everything's a phase.

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Speaker 3: So you just got it. You just lasted out mate,

1368
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 3: it might just be a couple of weeks and then

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Speaker 3: you're fine again.

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Speaker 8: Oh no, that's that's great stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we all do. And yours are like

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Speaker 3: basically twenty years old. Gordy, Hey, guys, thank you. I

1373
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 3: really appreciated this. Nick Buley and Andrew gordiare sports title

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Speaker 3: this evening seven away from six.

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Speaker 2: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in

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01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 2: your car on your drive home. Heather dupleic Allen drive

1377
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Speaker 2: with One New Zealand one Giant Leap for Business News.

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Speaker 3: Talk, Tony's Got a theory Fiway from six. Tony's got

1379
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 3: a theory on why the Southerner is the Cantabrians are

1380
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 3: being so hard on their very own coach. He reckons though.

1381
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 3: Southerners thought that Hanson didn't pick enough of their players,

1382
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 3: so they moaned until they got rid of him. And

1383
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 3: now we've got a coach who doesn't like picking Blues players.

1384
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 3: So what do we expect? Look, you know what I reckon.

1385
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 3: This is what I think is going on. It's the

1386
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 3: same thing, is like everybody is. It's the same thing

1387
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 3: as the phenomena around Raygun. Everybody is loving Raygun, and

1388
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 3: just how ballsy. She is in the hotspa with which

1389
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 3: she's approaching this. Except for the Aussies who are just

1390
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 3: mortified because they're embarrassed, and I feel like the same

1391
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 3: thing may be happening in Canterbury. Everybody's like, yeah, look,

1392
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 3: this guy's got no no international coaching experience. Give him

1393
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Speaker 3: a break. He'll get there. He's obviously a fantastic coach,

1394
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 3: just needs a bit of time to pull together the

1395
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 3: squad that's obviously quite shite. Frankly, except for the Cantabrians,

1396
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 3: who are like, he's embarrassing us because he's from Canterbury.

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01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 3: I'll settle down Canterbury, give him a break. He'll be fine. Listen.

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Speaker 3: I cannot I cannot quite understand, Like, I don't think

1399
01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 3: we've plumbed the depths of human stupidity yet. Can I

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01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 3: hear that people are buying tickets to Fire Festival two.

1401
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,919
Speaker 3: I think we might be getting close. I can't believe

1402
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 3: that this is happening. If you don't know about this,

1403
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 3: you need to go watch the documentary I think is

1404
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 3: on Netflix about Fire Festival number one. It was like

1405
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 3: a complete shambles, right, people paid these extortionate prices to

1406
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 3: go this festival that was supposed to be like krem

1407
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 3: De la Creme of festivals. It's aig gourmet food and

1408
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 3: Blink one eight to two and they're gonna be on

1409
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 3: this exclusive island and all these fancy people are gonna

1410
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 3: be there. When they got there, they were basically an

1411
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 3: emergency tense. Their gaurmet food were like cheese sandwiches that

1412
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 3: were in like polystyrene takeaway containers and the luggage just

1413
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 3: got thrown into a dark car park. It was a

1414
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 3: Blink one eight two pulled out. It was a complete shambles.

1415
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 3: The guy who ran, and the guy who ran it

1416
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 3: was completely disgraced. Well, guess what, he's popped up again,

1417
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 3: and he is actually doing it again. And he did

1418
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 3: say about a year ago he was doing it again,

1419
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 3: but we were all like, not what, he's gonna buy

1420
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 3: your tickets? Well, he reckons he's selling tickets for between

1421
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 3: eight hundred dollars New Zealand and thirteen thousand dollars New

1422
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 3: Zealand just for the ticket. That's all, just for the ticket.

1423
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 3: He reckons, he's already sold tickets. He says it has

1424
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 3: to work because otherwise no one's ever going to trust

1425
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 3: him again it's going to be very hard to get

1426
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 3: other opportunities, whether that's a marketing job, a podcast appearance,

1427
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:20,439
Speaker 3: a TV show, or a relationship. Yes, Billy, you're never

1428
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 3: going to get any sexy time again. Unless this actually works,

1429
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 3: everybody's gonna hate you. And yet apparently people are buying

1430
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 3: tickets because the first one they didn't have, they not

1431
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 3: found the internet and done a Google search. Anyway, here

1432
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 3: come her to them. We'll talk about Wellington next.

1433
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 2: We're Business. He's inside the Business Hour. We're the head

1434
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 2: and duple c Allen and my Hr on newsst.

1435
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 3: B even in coming up in the next hours using

1436
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 3: peg has got the check book out in Africa. Man,

1437
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 3: he is spending cash like there like they're like, there's

1438
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 3: no tomorrow. We're going to talk to Peace to Lewis

1439
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 3: about it. Shortly, will wrap the political week that was

1440
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 3: a very soper and we'll also go to the UK

1441
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 3: with Gavin Gray coming up eight past six. Now, cafe

1442
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 3: and bakery chain Pandora is closing its is closing its

1443
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 3: Wellington stores after twenty eight years in business. Follows a

1444
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 3: string of closures from hospitality businesses and Wellington's in the city,

1445
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 3: including Egmont Street eatery Field and Green Shepherd con called

1446
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 3: Cafe Rubriks and also Sugar Woods Bars. Greg Wilson is

1447
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 3: a Wellington business owner and member of the Courtney Place

1448
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 3: Precinct Group and is with us now hey Greg here,

1449
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 3: Pandora is an institution. Man, if these guys can't survive,

1450
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 3: it must be really tough.

1451
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 22: Well, that's that's the thing, right, These guys have been

1452
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 22: an institution of Wellington for years, you know. And one

1453
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 22: Street two have been going for almost a decade in Wellington.

1454
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 22: And these guys are you really good operators?

1455
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 6: So yeah, it's a.

1456
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 22: Really seems pretty big message that Welton's going through a

1457
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 22: really tough time at the moment.

1458
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 18: Yeah.

1459
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:53,959
Speaker 3: I was going to say, like, the list of things

1460
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 3: that are going wrong for you guys is so long,

1461
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 3: I don't even really know where to start. But what

1462
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 3: do you think the most the most influential is.

1463
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 22: Yeah, there's a bit of a list of things.

1464
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: He had a lot.

1465
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 22: Biggest thing is has really been that the public set

1466
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 22: cuts this year had hammered Wellington. The social housing issues

1467
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 22: in central Wellington haven't haven't helped at all. There's the

1468
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 22: interest rates obviously, people have cut spending, hospitality, is the

1469
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 22: first thing to be cut, and the budgets that type

1470
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:28,679
Speaker 22: the public sector jobs. Actually, you know, ninety five percent

1471
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 22: of people in this country still have their job, so

1472
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 22: most people still have their job, but it's there.

1473
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 5: It's the the unknown.

1474
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 22: A lot of people know people that have lost their jobs,

1475
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 22: and so there's that fear and that sort of that

1476
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 22: scaredness around, like all we'll be to stop spending and

1477
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 22: say my money because all what's around the corner, Let's

1478
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:45,640
Speaker 22: wait and see. And so that's what's happened right now.

1479
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 22: So it's but springs come along and it's given us

1480
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 22: a bit of a bit of a bump in our

1481
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 22: mood today with a bit of blue sky. So that's positive.

1482
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 3: Did you guys have a good day in Wellington today?

1483
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 3: It's amazing how they gone and stuff lived to spirits.

1484
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 3: What I was down on was down last month. And

1485
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 3: the thing that I noticed is the amount of construction

1486
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 3: that's going on in the city. Like in Taranaki Street

1487
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 3: just outside Lee's Mills, that blinking that dougger has been

1488
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 3: there for the longest time.

1489
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Speaker 1: What the hell is going on?

1490
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 5: Yet?

1491
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 22: A little bit slow? I'll drive pass you every day

1492
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 22: and I feel like poton we have the side of

1493
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 22: the run jumping ankt and spade and getting a bit

1494
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,680
Speaker 22: of hand. Yeah, it's taken it too long, and I

1495
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 22: mean so well Auckland had return with all the is

1496
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 22: having their turn and it's gone through a messive change

1497
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 22: of street changes and broad dig ups and it is

1498
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 22: now Wellington's pairing Wellington's lagging infrastructure. Fortney Place is about

1499
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 22: to go through a big major upgrade, so we can

1500
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 22: expect Courtney Places to be dug up mid next year

1501
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 22: three years.

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01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:39,560
Speaker 3: Man, is that wise change? Given everything you people have

1503
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 3: been through, should they be doing that?

1504
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 13: Well?

1505
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 22: Looky bit a look at Courtney plafs Now it's a

1506
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 22: bit tired and run down at the moment, Heather, And look,

1507
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 22: we could keep going the way with going otherwise we

1508
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 22: could make some change. And it's always really hard for

1509
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 22: everyone to get behind for us to start, especially such

1510
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 22: as significant sort of transport or a destination like Courtney

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Speaker 22: Place that has a you know, entertainment harbord all. There's

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Speaker 22: also a thoroughphyre for buses, so that's a bit scary

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01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 22: for us business homes at the moment. But we are

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Speaker 22: working with the council and we're meeting with the council

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01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 22: really regularly about getting a plan for Courtney Place, one

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01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 22: that we can really get behind and celebrate, because we

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01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 22: want to bring Courtney Place back to what it was.

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Speaker 3: Do you feel like you need to be nice to

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01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:19,599
Speaker 3: the council so that you can get your party at.

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Speaker 22: New Year's shout up for your Tory. Yet we're working

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01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 22: hopefully what's the council. Yes, so we got that meeting

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01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 22: next week for the next Wednesdays that minute. But now

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Speaker 22: the count has been pretty supportive. We're working with them

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01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 22: really closely. But we're we are looking hoping to fix

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Speaker 22: some change soon and it's just going to take a

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Speaker 22: bit more time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good luck man, but your care.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 22: Hospitality, we're a hardy bunch. And the hospitality we're just

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01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 22: going through COVID. We two years of COVID, and I

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01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 22: say to people, this kind of feels like COVID but

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01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 22: without the COVID. Yeah, And so it's hammering us again.

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Speaker 22: Businesses are going away. We're reinventing our businesses almost every day.

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01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 22: We're looking at thesing, what can we cut, what can

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01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 22: we change? For example, in our business here the word

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Speaker 22: now outsourcing roles to the Philippines, a finance marketing roles

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01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 22: for the Philippines. That's said for New Zealand. But that's

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01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 22: the reality is to survive in this market, we've got

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01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 22: to be a bit more creative and cut costs to

1540
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 22: survive just to get through this year and survive twenty

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01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 22: five as very real.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally believe you, Greg, Thank you very much.

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01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,759
Speaker 3: Really appreciate it, mate, and go Well. That's Greg Wilson

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01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 3: who's a member of Courtney Place Precinct Group and owner

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01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 3: of Courtney Place businesses. And by the way, the party

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01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:29,640
Speaker 3: I was talking about there is the part is this

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01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 3: is the New Year's Eve party. Greg and a bunch

1548
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 3: of people are trying to trying to get the council

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01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 3: to go ahead with it and close off Courtney Place

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01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 3: for New Year's even let them do like a little

1551
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 3: family family initially family oriented party, later turning into no

1552
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 3: doubt boots hag outfit as it gets closer to midnight,

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01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 3: into our best of luck because he thinks that that

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01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 3: may help out with the businesses over news even probably will.

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01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 3: Now there's a lot of reason at the moment to

1556
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 3: feel gloomy about what's going on economically and with the

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01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 3: housing market because you know, you probably look at your

1558
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:58,639
Speaker 3: house value and it's going backwards and backwards and backwards

1559
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 3: and backwards. You feel a bit stink that at least

1560
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 3: it's not this stink. What about this? The biggest loss

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01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 3: recorded so far this year in residential sales was for

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01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 3: a remu Era apartment in Auckland, which sold for one

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01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 3: million dollars less than it had been bought for. So

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01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 3: it was bought in March twenty eighteen, not that long ago,

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01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 3: six years ago, March twenty eighteen for six and a

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01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 3: half million bucks, and then it was sold this year

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01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 3: in April for five and a half million bucks. Now,

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01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 3: what's a million when it's a lot, it's a lot

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01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,720
Speaker 3: a million bucks? How about that? Lost a million bucks

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01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:37,679
Speaker 3: in six years? Whatever you're going through is not that bad.

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01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 3: Thirteen plus six crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather due for Sea Allen with the business hours

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Speaker 2: thanks to my HR, the HR platform for SME on

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01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 2: newstalksb Heather.

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Speaker 3: What currency is hushing ping? Spending in Africa? Is at

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01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:55,600
Speaker 3: USD or Juan? I don't actually know, but you know

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01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 3: who does know is Peter Lewis and he's going to

1578
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 3: be with us in less than half an hour's time,

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01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 3: so we'll ask him sixteen plus. So let's wrap the

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Speaker 3: political week that was with our senior political correspondent Barry

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01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 3: so called. Welcome back, Barry, Hello again, Heather. Yeah, I'm

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01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 3: perplexed by what's going on on Hawk's Bay with this

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01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 3: preferential treatment for Mary and Pacifica kids.

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Speaker 10: Yeah. Just to refresh your listeners' minds that from May

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01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 10: last year, Hawksby announced that there would be free GP

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01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 10: and registered health nurse healthcare funding for people aged between

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01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 10: fourteen and twenty four. Yeah, that sounded really good. And

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01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 10: then they've changed the eligibility criteria though from September the first,

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01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 10: so the other day, the eligibility will be limited to

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Speaker 10: young people the same age group fourteen to twenty four.

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Speaker 10: And the top priority they've got in the list, followed

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01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 10: by a number of conditions is Maldi and or PACIFICA. Well,

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01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 10: you know again, this is prioritizing on race and surely

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01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 10: that has no part in a country that should be

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01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 10: prior tizing need.

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Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 10: It was news to the Minister's office Shane Retty when

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01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 10: this came out that the Hawk's Bay Health were doing this,

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01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 10: they said. Essentially this was a decision made between Health

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Speaker 10: New Zealand and the hawks By and the local primary

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01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 10: health organization. The Minister retty he expects Health New Zealand

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01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 10: to be working on improved outcomes for all New Zealanders

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01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 10: and to prioritize funding accordingly focused on need. Now this

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01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 10: is coming from the minister. The minister he's requested further

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01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:36,560
Speaker 10: information from Health New Zealand and you can take it

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01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 10: from what he said to me in a message that

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01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 10: he's not very happy about what's gone on there and

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01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 10: I think it will be stopped in fairy short ordered.

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01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 3: I'd be interested to see what happens next week. Do

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01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 3: you is aware of you landed on the tax that

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01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:53,680
Speaker 3: we are now charging the tourist the increased tax. Is

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01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 3: it going to put people off for what?

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01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 11: Well?

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01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 10: What has led to is a great debate, isn't it.

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01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 10: And I'm probably in the camp that would say, look,

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01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 10: you spend a lot of money to come to New

1617
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 10: Zealand because it's so far away from the rest of

1618
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 10: the world, so you've got to be pretty dedicated to

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01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 10: get down to this country. And I don't think a

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01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 10: hundred bucks is neither here nor there frankly, and I

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01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:16,679
Speaker 10: don't think it's going to put people off, although having

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01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 10: said that, if you were say parents were three kids

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01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 10: coming to New Zealand, that's five hundred bucks.

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01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 3: And Barry, it's not the only tax we're asking, is it.

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Speaker 3: As you've pointed out, departure. There's the arrival tax, there's

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01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 3: a departure tax, there's the visitor visa. Yes, it's also charge,

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01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:34,599
Speaker 3: which is considerably more. You've got all the airport taxes

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01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 3: that are built into your flight, your airline ticket, which

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01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 3: is already expensive, so by the time you look at

1630
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 3: just the documentation and the plane ticket to get here,

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01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 3: it's enormously pricing.

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01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 10: I think the timing of this is not good because

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01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 10: even though it may be a piffling amount, when you

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01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 10: spend the amount of money you do to come to

1635
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 10: New Zealand, the timing is bad. We're trying to rebuild

1636
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 10: our tourism industry and you're not going to rebuild it

1637
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 10: putting more taxes on. At this time. You should be

1638
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 10: reducing taxes to encourage people to come here, because people

1639
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 10: that come into this country spend a lot of money.

1640
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 10: It's a big income earner, only second behind deiry. So

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01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:15,879
Speaker 10: you know, we need to be nurturing this particular industry

1642
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 10: rather than make it more difficult.

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01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 3: I mean, there is an argument that we're better off

1644
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 3: with more with fewer very very rich people than lots

1645
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 3: and lots and lots of people who are poorer.

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01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 10: Well, you know, a lot of people complained about the

1647
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:29,640
Speaker 10: number of tourists that we had in this country. But

1648
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 10: those winges, of course, they don't realize how much money

1649
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 10: tourism injected into this country. So they may have to

1650
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 10: wait five minutes longer to get in somewhere. But you know,

1651
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 10: tourists are very important to New Zealand.

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01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 3: Yes, some men's had a good week again, isn't it.

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01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 10: The golden balls are tarnished, That's all I can say.

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01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 3: Come on, why because the Greens had a little little

1655
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:50,799
Speaker 3: cry about one of his figures.

1656
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 10: Well he did get them wrong, and like all politicians,

1657
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 10: he exaggerated. But like Ginny Anderson before him on the

1658
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:01,799
Speaker 10: number of cops on the beat.

1659
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 3: It's very different.

1660
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 10: But the problem with politicians here is that they never

1661
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 10: get anything wrong. They always explain their way out of it,

1662
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 10: and we politician weasel words, it's being called in the

1663
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 10: past and that's what it is, because they know they're guilty,

1664
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 10: they know they made a mistake, and never willing to

1665
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:21,560
Speaker 10: accept it.

1666
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 3: Can you tell me definitively that there are not twelve

1667
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 3: five hundred thousand dollars speed humps in this country?

1668
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 10: Oh well, I couldn't say that, And if there might

1669
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:33,919
Speaker 10: be right that they are, it's patently ridiculous.

1670
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 3: I know of at least two.

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01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 10: Yeah, So the amount of money he said that was

1672
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:41,560
Speaker 10: going to be saved, he extrapolated from the cost of

1673
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 10: I think twenty four speed bumps and multiplied it by twelve.

1674
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 10: The twelve that they're removing. I think he got it.

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01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he did. I mean, you know, I

1676
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 3: was just trying to be kind to him. I love

1677
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 3: what he's doing. Hey, Shane Jones. Now, look, Shane Jones

1678
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 3: was right to get a ballock, But I ain't nobody

1679
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 3: going to think he was wrong.

1680
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 10: Well, Jonesy, it was a sixty fifth birthday when Judith

1681
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 10: summoned him into her office and laid it on the

1682
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:13,640
Speaker 10: line to him. You can imagine, I can imagine the

1683
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 10: conversation because Judith Collins has got a good sense of humor.

1684
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 10: Shane Jones is over the top with his sense of humor.

1685
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 10: The point that he made in public was that, look,

1686
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 10: he was born under a moon, and maybe he held

1687
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 10: at the moon once too often. And it's true that

1688
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 10: this High Court judge that he referred to was a

1689
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 10: member of the Socialist Action League at some time, which

1690
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 10: became the Communist League. But then that's in the past.

1691
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:42,679
Speaker 10: We all move on from what some of us had

1692
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:46,640
Speaker 10: in the past in terms of allegiance to particular ideologies.

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Speaker 3: Spose we do, Barry, Thank you very much, really appreciate

1694
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 3: it very so for senior political correspondent. Wrapping the political week,

1695
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 3: that was Hey, today was the deadline for counsels to

1696
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 3: decide if they want to keep or ditch the Marty Wards.

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01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 8: I've got it.

1698
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:00,600
Speaker 3: She got a little interesting thought on that question that

1699
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 3: I asked, but we'll deal with it in attack. Sounds

1700
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 3: like two of the people who died on that yacht

1701
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 3: that sank off the coast of Sicily last month didn't

1702
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 3: actually drown, They just ran out of oxygen. By the

1703
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 3: sounds of things, that which is what people had thought

1704
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 3: may have happened, was that some of the survivors may

1705
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 3: have got themselves into a little air pocket in their

1706
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 3: cabin and waited for help. Looks like these two did

1707
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:24,959
Speaker 3: in fact get themselves into an air pocket and obviously

1708
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 3: would have just after time run out of oxygen and

1709
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 3: therefore eventually perished unfortunately. And the reason we think this

1710
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 3: is because the sources told the papers in the UK

1711
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 3: that two of them didn't have any water in their

1712
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 3: lungs or their trackie or their stomach, suggesting they didn't

1713
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 3: breathe anything in and so yeah, it would have just

1714
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 3: been death by I think it's called dry drowning. Six

1715
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 3: twenty three.

1716
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Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 2: It's heathered duplicy Ellen with the Business Hour thanks to

1718
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:53,719
Speaker 2: my HR the HR solution for busy sms on news talks.

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Speaker 3: There the twenty five here that we've got family and

1720
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 3: the tourist business. They're perfectly happy with the one hundred

1721
01:19:57,840 --> 01:19:59,600
Speaker 3: dollars charge. It happens all around the world. Also, our

1722
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 3: main t urists come from visa waiver countries, no extra charges. Well,

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01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 3: I think you're wrong. Our main tourist certainly used to

1724
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Speaker 3: come from China and that's not a visa waiver country

1725
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 3: and they were paying the visa charges. So yeah, we'll

1726
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,600
Speaker 3: see how it goes down. Okay, so today is the

1727
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 3: deadline by which time the councils had to decide whether

1728
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 3: they were going to keep or ditch the Maori wards right,

1729
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 3: and forty three out of forty five have decided they're

1730
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 3: going to keep them, which means forty three of them

1731
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 3: are going to go to referendum at the next local

1732
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 3: body elections. Now I'm fascinated by this because I am

1733
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 3: keen to see what impact this is going to have

1734
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 3: on the council elections, because, as we know, council elections

1735
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 3: notoriously have an extremely low turnout. Right, So the question

1736
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 3: is is this going to actually mobilize more people to

1737
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 3: actually vote at the next local body elections? And if

1738
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 3: it does, how is that going to affect the shape

1739
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 3: of what your council looks like. So, for example, if

1740
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 3: you just use this like this is a broad generalization,

1741
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 3: but if you assume that you sent a left voter

1742
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 3: would prefer to keep the Mardi wards and you're sent

1743
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 3: to right voe would prefer to get rid of them.

1744
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 3: Which of them is going to turn Which of them

1745
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 3: feels more strongly than the other about this right? Which

1746
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 3: of them is going to turn out and actually vote,

1747
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 3: and I aren't. I reckon it's going to be center

1748
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 3: right voter. And the reason I think this is because

1749
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 3: the councils have said we are keeping this ward, so

1750
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 3: at the referendum, we're keeping it unless you ditch it,

1751
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 3: which means there's a real motivating factor there for the

1752
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 3: center right voter to come out and vote to get

1753
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 3: rid of the Maori ward because now you vote really

1754
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 3: counts right center left voters like are they going to

1755
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:35,599
Speaker 3: keep them? Said they keeping it anyway, but you center

1756
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 3: right voter has to come out vote against it to

1757
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 3: get rid of it. And that might be quite interesting

1758
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 3: because in places like for example, Wellington, this the council

1759
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:48,679
Speaker 3: is notoriously left wing and crazy left wing, green green green,

1760
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 3: left wing because they just can't get the right wing

1761
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 3: voters to come out and vote for anything. At the

1762
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 3: moment they get more of these young kiddies coming out,

1763
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:57,679
Speaker 3: like the students and stuff voting. So will it potentially

1764
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 3: actually flip things in Wellington where maybe you've got all

1765
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 3: of a sudden a reason for these people on the

1766
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 3: right to come out of But I'd be fascinated. I

1767
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,760
Speaker 3: don't know the answer to that question. I actually would would.

1768
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 3: I reckon that there'll be very few people in the

1769
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 3: country who do know the answer to the question. But

1770
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 3: I can guarantee you that both sides are going to

1771
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 3: use this issue to try to mobilize the voters at

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Speaker 3: the next election, and I reckon it's going to have

1773
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 3: a bigger effect on the center right vote.

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Speaker 4: More importantly here there, we're always complaining about low turnouts

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Speaker 4: at local body elections. So if it does get a

1776
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 4: big turnout, does that mean we should have a referendum?

1777
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 4: Every time she gets the voter should.

1778
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Speaker 3: Do something contentious every single time, like a let fifteen

1779
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 3: year old smoke. Everybody will vote headline's.

1780
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Speaker 1: Next, whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

1781
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 2: It's all on The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen

1782
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 2: and my Hr the HR solution for busy SMEs U

1783
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:48,800
Speaker 2: stalks be.

1784
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Speaker 3: And Heather, you're right, it's going to be a big

1785
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:06,680
Speaker 3: turnout of the next local elections. I mean, look, it's

1786
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 3: temporary expectations. A big turnout of the local body elections

1787
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 3: still probably sub fifty percent, you know what I mean,

1788
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Speaker 3: Because it's not like we care that much about it.

1789
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 3: That's how people like Tori get in anyway. We'll see

1790
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Speaker 3: what happens. I'm absolutely fascinated. Increasingly so. Gavin Gray is

1791
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 3: going to be with US out of the UK very

1792
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 3: very shortly. Right now, it's twenty four away from seven.

1793
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Speaker 1: Now ever, do for see Ellen, Peter Lewis.

1794
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 3: Our Asia business corresponds with US right now.

1795
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 7: Hey Peter, Hey, good evening, Heather.

1796
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Speaker 8: So what do you reckon?

1797
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Speaker 3: Is Biden going to block this US steel deal?

1798
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Speaker 7: It looks like it. I think it's a very political issue.

1799
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:45,599
Speaker 7: It's very hard to imagine that the grounds that it's

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01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:48,639
Speaker 7: going to be blocked, which are really national security grounds,

1801
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:52,640
Speaker 7: are really a valid reason. But nevertheless, I think they

1802
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 7: have to do it. It's ahead of the ahead of

1803
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:58,640
Speaker 7: the election. I mean, the problem is that this is

1804
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,719
Speaker 7: a takeover that may a lot of sense in many ways.

1805
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 7: For US steel, it desperately needs investments. Unless it gets

1806
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 7: that investment, the chances are there going to be a

1807
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 7: lot of job losses. There's going to have to be

1808
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:14,759
Speaker 7: a lot of closures because a lot of the steel

1809
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 7: plants need upgrading and they need the investment to be

1810
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 7: able to do that. This is coming from a country

1811
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:24,639
Speaker 7: that's a close ally of the US, so really, it's

1812
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 7: very hard to say that there are national security reasons

1813
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:31,680
Speaker 7: as to why Nippon Steel shouldn't take it over. And

1814
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 7: it's bending over backwards to try and meet the requirements

1815
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,439
Speaker 7: that this is going to be American owned. It's doing

1816
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 7: it to its US subsidiary, which has been in the

1817
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 7: country for about fifty years now. It's going to have

1818
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 7: American directors on the board. The company in effect will

1819
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 7: be run by Americans. The only thing is that the

1820
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 7: main shareholder will be Japanese and there are already many

1821
01:24:55,600 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 7: shareholders in US Steel who are not American, so it

1822
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 7: doesn't really make any sense at all to go and

1823
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:06,600
Speaker 7: block this transaction. But this is politics getting in the

1824
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:08,839
Speaker 7: way of common sense and good business.

1825
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:11,680
Speaker 3: So what's the politics? What politics does it play here?

1826
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Speaker 7: Well, I think you know what they all want to show,

1827
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 7: both Biden, Kamala Harris and Donald Trump is that they've

1828
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:23,799
Speaker 7: got the backs of critical industries or what they perceive

1829
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 7: as being workers in critical industries. I mean, Kamala Harris

1830
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 7: has said it to, you know, to the United steel

1831
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:33,760
Speaker 7: Workers Association, I'll be looking after you. I've got your

1832
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 7: backs here. They need the votes. These are crucial sort

1833
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 7: of unions that you know that both sides really need

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Speaker 7: endorsement from. So it's about getting votes here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I see what you're doing here. It makes sense. Listen,

1836
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 3: what's h Jinping promising Africa that it's going to buy

1837
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:52,759
Speaker 3: that he's going to buy everything.

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Speaker 7: Is pledging fifty billion dollars in financial aid to Africa.

1839
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 7: At the end of this summits there was about fifty

1840
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 7: African nations represented at the summit. He also crucially is

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01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 7: going to exempt thirty three of the poorest countries in

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01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 7: Africa from paying any tariffs or duties at all on

1843
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 7: exports to China. His promise that they're going to buy

1844
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:23,599
Speaker 7: all sorts of things. The problem is, at the last

1845
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 7: forum that they had, which was back in twenty twenty one,

1846
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:31,720
Speaker 7: Shooting Ping promised to buy three hundred billion dollars worth

1847
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 7: of African goods and that never happened. So there may

1848
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 7: be some skepticism about whether this is going to happen again.

1849
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 7: But I think Shooting Ping caes Africa as having some

1850
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 7: vital strategic sort of issues there that will help China.

1851
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 7: It's got a lot of raw materials and minerals that

1852
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 7: China wants it's also a good export market for its

1853
01:26:57,160 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 7: manufactured goods. Not quite so sure what African nations will

1854
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:06,000
Speaker 7: get out of this other than maybe some money and

1855
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:09,679
Speaker 7: some investments, but even that is declining at the moment

1856
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 7: because China's economy is not in good shape, so it's

1857
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 7: not making anything like the amounts of investments that it

1858
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 7: used to make a few years ago, particularly when it

1859
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 7: was promoting its belt and road strategy.

1860
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Speaker 3: I saw the other day, it might have been maybe

1861
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 3: a week or two ago, that there was a Chinese

1862
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 3: ship parked outside Cape Town and it was like it

1863
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:34,320
Speaker 3: was like a medical vessel and was offering all this

1864
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 3: free medical care for people, which I thought was really

1865
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 3: smart move from the Chinese because that would obviously foster

1866
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 3: really good relations and kind of soften people up and

1867
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:44,640
Speaker 3: make them feel good about China. Is that generally what

1868
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 3: it's like in Africa? Are they loving China?

1869
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 7: That is generally what it takes. I mean, they like

1870
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:54,680
Speaker 7: the idea of you know, these ships offshore. They like

1871
01:27:54,800 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 7: the idea of China bringing investments. So China does have

1872
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 7: a good name in Africa, and Africa feels it's been

1873
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 7: let down by the West. I mean, the West has

1874
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 7: made lots of promises in the past to Africa, but

1875
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 7: really hasn't done an awful lot in terms of helping

1876
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:17,640
Speaker 7: African the African nations as a whole really move up

1877
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 7: the development ladder and try and close some of that

1878
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 7: vast gap between one are extremely poor countries, particularly in

1879
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:30,759
Speaker 7: Central Africa and developed countries. If anything, that's that poverty

1880
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 7: gap has gotten worse. And also, you know, Africans are

1881
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 7: very aware that Europeans and Americans don't want them in

1882
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:43,679
Speaker 7: their country as migrants or refugees. So no, the West

1883
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 7: doesn't really have a great reputation in Africa, and this

1884
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 7: is definitely a chance for China to try and fill

1885
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:51,639
Speaker 7: the gaps there.

1886
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 3: Fascinating stuff. A Hey, thank you so much. Peter has

1887
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 3: always really appreciated talking to you. That's Peter Lewis out

1888
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 3: Asia Business correspondent out of Hong Kong. Get a load

1889
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:01,639
Speaker 3: of this. Do you remember the brew haha? I think

1890
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 3: it was last week at the start of this week,

1891
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 3: might have been last week about the gang members who

1892
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 3: turned up in their patches at the Hawks Bay Regional

1893
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:09,719
Speaker 3: Council and then did the hukka when the council voted

1894
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:11,640
Speaker 3: to keep the Mardy Wards, and the council didn't kick

1895
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:13,240
Speaker 3: them out even though they should have because the law

1896
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:15,560
Speaker 3: says you can't have patches in the council building. Blahlahlah,

1897
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 3: I remember that. Well, the mongrel mob has spoken out

1898
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 3: in defense of the Hawks Bay Regional Council. I don't

1899
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 3: know about you, but I always feel when I'm in trouble,

1900
01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:27,640
Speaker 3: I just love it when the gangs come out and

1901
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 3: speak out of my defense. Anyway, So a mongrel mob leader,

1902
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 3: anonymous for whatever reason, has written a letter to the council,

1903
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 3: which was then read out loud by a councilor Thompson

1904
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:40,040
Speaker 3: Hooky Younger at a council meeting this week. Again Thompson

1905
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 3: not sure about the pr strategy there mate. Anyway, The

1906
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 3: mungey mob leader said it is unfair that the regional

1907
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:49,880
Speaker 3: councilors and their staff are at the center of the

1908
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 3: public backlash. Oh, well, that will make us rethink it.

1909
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 3: We didn't know, as we've never felt welcome in any

1910
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 3: government building with or without a regalia. No one has

1911
01:29:57,520 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 3: spoken to us about these laws.

1912
01:29:59,000 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 1: No one.

1913
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 3: What is the what is the law? Well, that's a

1914
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 3: very existential question that I think that's deeper than we

1915
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 3: can deal with on one radio show. Where does this

1916
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:10,920
Speaker 3: law apply in the council buildings? Mate? How is this

1917
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 3: enforced by the police. Our police force doesn't even know

1918
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 3: how to do this successfully, not yet. It hasn't been

1919
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 3: very clear. And we want to ensure that Alfaro and

1920
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 3: our Moukaporna are safe. At which point I was stoked

1921
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 3: because I don't know about you, but it thrills me

1922
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:28,280
Speaker 3: no end that the mongrel mob is now keen on

1923
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 3: keeping people safe. Seventeen away from seven everything.

1924
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 2: From SMEs sort of big corporates, The Business Hour with

1925
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 2: Heather Duper cls and my HR the HR Solution for

1926
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 2: busy SMEs on News Talks, EDB.

1927
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Speaker 3: Kevin Gray are UK correspondents with us. Hey Kevin, Hi,

1928
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 3: there have that Gavin? What do we know about this

1929
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 3: guy who was shot dead by the German police by

1930
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Speaker 3: the Israeli consulate.

1931
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Speaker 23: Yeah, it's a really really interesting story, lots of different

1932
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 23: angles coming out. He's been identified as an eighteen year

1933
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:02,960
Speaker 23: old Austrian national and he was hit during an exchange

1934
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 23: of fire with officers and he was shot dead by police.

1935
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 23: But police say he was spotted in the area carrying

1936
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Speaker 23: a long firearm and say five officers exchanged fire with

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Speaker 23: their weapons. Now, the Israeli consulate was actually closed at

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Speaker 23: the time for a memorial service that was marking the

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Speaker 23: fifty second anniversary of the nineteen seventy two Munich Olympic

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Speaker 23: attacks by Palestinian militants that killed eleven Israeli athletes and

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Speaker 23: a police officer. At the time in it in obviously

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Speaker 23: a huge news story in a very sad attack, and

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Speaker 23: it's interesting of course that the anniversary is actually at

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Speaker 23: that particular point. Though at the moment they're saying they

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Speaker 23: really don't know the immediate motive behind the incident. It

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Speaker 23: might have been linked to the anniversary, it might be

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Speaker 23: linked to the situation in Israel and Gaza, and it

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Speaker 23: might not. But either way, Munich police chief is saying

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Speaker 23: that the man was armed with a vintage hunting rifle,

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Speaker 23: and German and media are reporting he was known to

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Speaker 23: security services on suspicion of supporting violent Islamist groups, though

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Speaker 23: police have declined so far to comment on those reports.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's very interesting. Okay, Now the Harvey Weinstein meta,

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Speaker 3: I see the indecent assault charges in the UK have

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Speaker 3: been dropped.

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Speaker 23: Why, Yeah, that appears to be that effectively. On the

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Speaker 23: UK side of things, they've been dropped quite simply because

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Speaker 23: the Crown Prosecution Service prosecutors here are saying there's no

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Speaker 23: realistic chance of actually getting a prosecution now from him.

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Speaker 23: This was a decision that obviously it's going to be

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Speaker 23: extremely controversial. There was one alleged victim in this country,

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Speaker 23: a woman now in her fifties, and it was for

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Speaker 23: alleged defenses back in nineteen ninety six. Of course, the

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Speaker 23: seventy two year old Weinstein was charged in twenty twenty

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Speaker 23: two with two counts of inde assault against a woman

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Speaker 23: in London, but that is all now being dropped. He's

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Speaker 23: currently in jail, of course, in New York for twenty

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Speaker 23: three years, where he was jailed three or four years

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Speaker 23: ago for the rape and sexual assault of a former

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Speaker 23: assistant and an actress. The identity of the complainant here

1971
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Speaker 23: the victim here in the UK, we don't know, but

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Speaker 23: obviously one assumes there'll be disappointment there. But when something

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Speaker 23: is so long ago, nearly twenty years ago, those alleged offenses,

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Speaker 23: it makes it very difficult to prosecute it. But the

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Speaker 23: police and the prosecutors saying no chance of a realistic

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Speaker 23: outcome for.

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Speaker 3: This now, given I'm fascinated by these big changes for

1978
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Speaker 3: the House of Lords, I shouldn't be fascinated because it

1979
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Speaker 3: was one of Labour's promises, But you reckon, they've got

1980
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Speaker 3: the courage to do this.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, I think they have, and they've also got the

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Speaker 23: numbers this time around as well, and I think possibly

1983
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Speaker 23: some public sympathy. So back in nineteen ninety nine at

1984
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Speaker 23: the last Labor government they revoked the seven hundred year

1985
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Speaker 23: old right of all hereditary peers to sit in the

1986
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Speaker 23: House of Lords. Hereditary peers are those who inherit their

1987
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Speaker 23: titles through that their families, so it's who they are,

1988
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Speaker 23: not what they've done or what they've achieved in their lives.

1989
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Speaker 23: And it's always been really, really controversial. But of all

1990
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Speaker 23: the hundreds of lords, ninety two was the compromise that

1991
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Speaker 23: was left in nineteen ninety nine after quite a lot

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Speaker 23: of opposition. So there are ninety two left. No women incidentally,

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Speaker 23: in amongst that number, many of them quite elderly, and

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Speaker 23: Labour is saying, in potentially the biggest shakeup of Parliament

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Speaker 23: in more than a quarter of a century, right, we

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Speaker 23: are now going to abolish the last ninety two hereditary peers,

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Speaker 23: and in fact Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister, has named

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Speaker 23: it known he would like to completely close the House

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Speaker 23: of Lords, replace it with an elected Assembly of the

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Speaker 23: Nations and regions, though that won't happen before the next election.

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Speaker 23: But I think bit by bit they are looking at

2002
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Speaker 23: tackling these things. They also wantder retirement age of eighty

2003
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Speaker 23: for members of the House of Lords. It was interesting

2004
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Speaker 23: many who said this is a disgrace and we need

2005
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Speaker 23: to have hereditary peers. Some were over ninety speaking in

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Speaker 23: its defense. So yeah, looking to replace that. If you're

2007
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Speaker 23: wondering why, Heather, it's because many people don't think they

2008
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Speaker 23: really should be getting the eight hundred and fifty New

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Speaker 23: Zealand dollars daily allowance for every day they attack.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of money. So how would it work.

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Speaker 3: Would would they basically let them work through until they're

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Speaker 3: eighty and then once they retire, that's it. You don't

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Speaker 3: get replaced.

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Speaker 12: No.

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Speaker 23: I think it's two separate ideas. They're going to basically

2016
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Speaker 23: ban hereditary peers and then any peer that reaches the

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Speaker 23: age of eighty in the House of Lords is going

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Speaker 23: to be forced to retire as well, So two separate ideas.

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Speaker 3: So if they're an hereditary peer at the moment, they

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Speaker 3: just get fired.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 23: I think that's I think that's the way he's looking

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Speaker 23: at it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, tough guy. Okay, thank you, I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Gavin gray Ow UK, corresponding, enjoy you weekn mate, We'll

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Speaker 3: talk to you on Monday. So this would include the

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Speaker 3: Duke of Wellington, who is descended from the Duke of

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Speaker 3: Wellington who defeated Napoleon. That was his great great great grandfather.

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Speaker 3: He'd be sacked, Lord Ravensdale, the Great Great Oh no,

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Speaker 3: hold on, just the one great great grandson of Oswald

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Speaker 3: Mosley who obviously founded the British Union of Fascists in

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Speaker 3: nineteen thirty two. Cool the Earl Marshall and the Lord

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Speaker 3: Great Chamberlain. Both of them had actually been expected to

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Speaker 3: keep their seats because they have some ceremonial functions in

2035
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Speaker 3: the state occasions. But they're also going to get the sack.

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Speaker 3: Tough guy right eight away from seven.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's macro, MicroB or just plain economics, it's all

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Speaker 2: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplessy, Allen and my HR,

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Speaker 2: the HR platform for sme US talksp.

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Speaker 3: Six away from seven. Hey, I'm actually surprised that Gavin

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Speaker 3: didn't talk about this, because I know it loves a

2042
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Speaker 3: little stonehe Hinge story. But there's been quite a twist

2043
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Speaker 3: in the Stonehenge alter stone that came from Scotland story.

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Speaker 3: I don't if he into this stuff, but everybody was

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Speaker 3: making such a big deal about the fact that, wow,

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Speaker 3: it came from Scotland. Now because it's a mass of stone,

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Speaker 3: it's six tons, we were like, wow, they were way

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Speaker 3: cleverer than we thought that they work. Somehow they managed

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Speaker 3: to drag a six toneck six ton stone from Scotland

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Speaker 3: all the way through to Stonehenge. How did they Well,

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Speaker 3: we needn't have worried because it didn't come from there

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Speaker 3: after all. So you know, if it's too good to

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Speaker 3: be true, then it's too good to be true. Apparently

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Speaker 3: what's happened is the I only told this three weeks ago,

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Speaker 3: which blew our minds already because we thought the thing

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Speaker 3: had come from Whales. So first came from Wales, then

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Speaker 3: it came from Scotland. Now it didn't because the scientists

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Speaker 3: have had a look they've done. They've used these X

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Speaker 3: ray things, portable x rays they've taken there and look

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Speaker 3: at the stone and know the chemical and the mineralogical

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Speaker 3: makeup of the stone is completely different to the stones

2062
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Speaker 3: in Orkney. So it did not come from Scotland. So

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Speaker 3: we're back to square one. We have no bloody idea

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Speaker 3: where the alter Stone came from.

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Speaker 21: Now.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about you, but I reckon I can

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Speaker 3: live with that, But I don't. I guess it's not

2068
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Speaker 3: like it's not my field of expertise.

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Speaker 4: Under here. There's too many unanswered questions about Stonehenge. Already

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Speaker 4: we're already dealing with what is it, why did they

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01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:52,040
Speaker 4: build it, what was it for?

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Speaker 10: Who?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 6: Though?

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Speaker 4: Who are they in the first?

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Speaker 3: Who are they aliens? Obviously?

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Speaker 8: Do you do?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: Ants? How they got the stones to the remits though?

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Speaker 4: Didn't they didn't they roll them up ramps or something,

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Speaker 4: nags and stuff.

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Speaker 3: No, there were tributaries of the Nile, which we now

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Speaker 3: can see that we had all these little little bits

2084
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Speaker 3: of the Nile that flowed through to the pyramids, so

2085
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Speaker 3: they would float.

2086
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:15,280
Speaker 4: Them down like big rafts.

2087
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and now because of climate change, it's been going on.

2088
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Speaker 3: Evidently for thousands of years the dried up.

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Speaker 4: Oh so no more pyramids, then that's a shame.

2090
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Speaker 3: No more pyramids.

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Speaker 4: Think of it all by Alan Walker, Joe Jonas and

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Speaker 4: Julia Michaels to play us out tonight. This is brand spanking.

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Speaker 4: You just came out today. How long have we got?

2094
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:33,760
Speaker 4: Just under two minutes? Hither do you want to try

2095
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 4: and name as many of eleven of the women that

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01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:38,760
Speaker 4: Joe Jonas has been linked to romantically over the years

2097
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:39,600
Speaker 4: as you can go?

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Speaker 3: Is he the one who just divorced the bird from

2099
01:38:42,479 --> 01:38:43,120
Speaker 3: Game of Thrones?

2100
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Speaker 4: That's one correct, yep. Sophie Turner who plays Sants Step.

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Speaker 3: That's literally the extent of my knowledge.

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Speaker 4: Man, okay, I thought you might get Taylor Swift as well.

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Speaker 3: No, that's.

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Speaker 4: Demi Levato. There is a reasonably famous one. The rest

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Speaker 4: gg Hadeed, and then the rest of them are I

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Speaker 4: don't really know, Stormy Bree Blunder, Eganschwieler, Ashley Green, Camilla

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Speaker 4: Camilla Bell, Ajmcholka, and way back in the beginning, Mandy

2108
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Speaker 4: van Dine.

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Speaker 3: There we go. Definitely the list started strong and then

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Speaker 3: Pete it out.

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Speaker 4: But it's still to be fair. If I had Taylor

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Speaker 4: Swift on you probably just stop there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. Yeah, okay cool. Thank you

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Speaker 3: for that answer. You've learned something new every day, obviously

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Speaker 3: for me about Joe Jonas and for answer about the pyramids.

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Speaker 3: Here you go, have a lovely weekend. See you on Monday.

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