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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Pine

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Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB, breaking down the Hail Mary's and

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Speaker 1: the epic fails.

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Speaker 2: Weekend Sport with Jason Pine, News Talk.

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Speaker 3: ZEDB eleven thirteen. Welcome into an elong Gator edition of

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Speaker 3: Weekend Sport on News Talks here B, Jason Pine and

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Speaker 3: A McDonald here until three o'clock. Let's get you back

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Speaker 3: though to our lead commentator and RUGBYA to Elliot Smith

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Speaker 3: before he has to shoot off the post match Dunis

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Speaker 3: Elliott thirty twenty nine. Was this an opportunity lost for

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Speaker 3: your blacks?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna let Scott Robertson answer that with our host,

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Speaker 4: broadcaster Piney'll come et to you in a moment.

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Speaker 5: As probably think you're our back fence as well as

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Speaker 5: we could. And they kicked all their goals. We've got

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Speaker 5: their got the smells we're talking about, got the tails up.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I mean, first that was good though, right, you know,

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Speaker 7: you finding a way through that defats for west Max Connective.

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Speaker 7: They didn't know who's to heads in that first?

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Speaker 5: Have you read some incredible rugby. I was really pleased

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Speaker 5: a lot of their efforts and energy, just accuracy to finish, uh,

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Speaker 5: just to creat and finish and you know we're able

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Speaker 5: to kick off and we couldn't get that right. But

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Speaker 5: I'm really paled, Like I'm really palled the way we played.

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Speaker 5: We're disappointed, as you can imagine. You know, we wanted

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the second half, start of the second half, you

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Speaker 7: can kind of see that kind of shifting momentum, a.

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Speaker 5: Bit of passd the hend we score their score and

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Speaker 5: then whoa and then the from our love.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly. Consistency in results and performance. There's something that

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Speaker 7: maybe you laughed a little bit in the Rugby Championship,

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Speaker 7: but two wins coming into this. How would you sum

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Speaker 7: up this tour so far when we want to go,

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Speaker 7: Oh you.

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Speaker 5: Talking about a point anyone? Oh look at someone that

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Speaker 5: we're playing good fundy, the kids here, just a little

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Speaker 5: bit of discipline, a couple more rocks and we're talking

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Speaker 5: about a different story. Look, we've had a great tour.

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Speaker 5: It was it was just a little bit greater.

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Speaker 6: But i'd like you today, Scott.

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Speaker 7: I appreciate it, thank you all.

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Speaker 8: I thought it.

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Speaker 3: Well, while I've got you here and I know you've

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Speaker 3: got to get away shortly. Yes, Scott Robinson talked about

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Speaker 3: you know, disappointed but proud, but mores I mean they

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Speaker 3: would have loved to have won the game. They could

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Speaker 4: They could have won the game absolutely, and it was

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Speaker 4: just a couple of momentum shifts. And they once he'd

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Speaker 4: opened the door for the French, it was very hard

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Speaker 4: for the All Blacks to close it again. France got

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Speaker 4: their noses in front. They like playing from in front,

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Speaker 4: Here at Star to France as well, and that changed

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Speaker 4: the momentum of the game. And to be honest, you

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Speaker 4: All Blacks were the better team in the first spell

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Speaker 4: and maybe didn't have the rewards for it. They got

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Speaker 4: halftime and bang bang, and Bill Blacks, instead of directing

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Speaker 4: But it was a game of momentum swings. Once your

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Speaker 3: Thank you here summary, Elliott, You've got places to be.

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Speaker 3: We'll look forward to your postmatch audio coming through. Elliot Smith,

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Speaker 3: our rugby editor and lead commentator, joining us from start

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Speaker 3: de France. Where if you're just joining us, this has

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Speaker 9: Jordan has to take the tackle. He's hold up with

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Speaker 9: the tack. Let's put me it needs to get the

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Speaker 9: knee to ground. Well, try swallow them up, set.

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Speaker 6: Uply it beyond got out for France.

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Speaker 4: Beyond goun senn for time.

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Speaker 6: In France.

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Speaker 4: Do it again over the Lacks by one point thirty

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Speaker 3: There you go, thirty points to twenty nine. On the

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Speaker 3: penultimate night of this All Blacks end of season two.

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Speaker 3: I'm Jason Pine eleven seventeen. Normally we wouldn't be on

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Speaker 3: give us your reaction to what you heard or saw

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Speaker 3: play out at de France this morning, and open the

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Speaker 3: lines immediately. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Your thoughts

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Speaker 3: are very welcome. You might want to get them done

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Speaker 3: We can take your calls immediately, Oh, eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 3: Brad Shields, former England international, is set to join us.

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Speaker 3: We'll have a chat to him. But your thoughts are

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Speaker 3: the ones I'm really after. How do you assess it?

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Speaker 3: What stands out when you think back? And it's only

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Speaker 12: That's what I will say first. But I think some

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Speaker 12: very hard questions need to be asked about whose decision was,

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Speaker 12: Whether it was the captain, was that the coach telling

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Speaker 12: You know five minutes to go. I mean, how many

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Speaker 12: times in games this year have they actually turned down

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Speaker 12: they might not have scored from the line out, but surely,

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Speaker 12: in my opinion, they should have gone for the line out.

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Speaker 12: What do you reckon?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think they were going up in threes, okay,

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Speaker 3: that was tiring. I guess if you kick it and

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Speaker 3: If it had been thirty twenty six and they'd gone

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Speaker 3: I get what you're saying. I do understand what.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, I am talking just about that last kick.

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Speaker 12: And the thing is, okay, they kicked me over, but

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Speaker 3: Well, there you go, exactly and exactly what Scott Robinson

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Speaker 3: just said as we heard his audio there as we

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Speaker 3: that four losses? Now we had the loss to Argentina,

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Speaker 3: So four from thirteen, which will we come four from

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I think that's going to be a major

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And as you know Christopher, he wouldn't have made

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Speaker 3: And now, while I've got you tomorrow morning, surely you'll

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Speaker 13: Key, Yeah, I hope so. But I mean, as you know,

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Speaker 13: I mean New Zealand lost to France. They've lost to

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Speaker 13: But I would back them to win considering Wales have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, they haven't been going very well. Look I

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Speaker 3: think most Kiwis will be on your side, Christopher. I

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Speaker 3: Good to chat to you again, mate, Thanks for calling,

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Speaker 3: and enjoy the rest of your day.

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Speaker 13: Yes he's too.

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Speaker 3: And up the Aussies. I can't believe I'm saying it,

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Speaker 3: but up the Aussies. Good on your Christopher. Great to

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Speaker 3: chat to you again, mate, Andy, what your main takeaways

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Speaker 14: I just wonder whether Will Jordan had a little injury

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Speaker 14: Yeah, you know, normally year but he would go for it.

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Speaker 14: But yeah, I think he might have been a bit tired.

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Speaker 14: He's too slow. You know, we really missed that sort

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Speaker 14: But he's just he hangs on to it for a

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Speaker 14: So yeah, I'm with you. I'm not sure why they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I haven't seen anything too. Yeah, and you're right,

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Speaker 14: Yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah, And you know the way

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Speaker 14: dubious decisis. And I'm not being you know, a sort

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Speaker 14: So you know, at least no, there's no at least

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Speaker 15: Man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, at least you've got the rest of the day. Mate,

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Speaker 3: it's a nice day. You sound like you're out driving

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Speaker 3: I just got some colms from producer Andy. Twenty six

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Speaker 3: and an elongated weekend spot. Twenty three away from midday.

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Speaker 3: Let's get you back to Paris, where All Black's assistant

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Speaker 3: thanks for taking our call thirty five minutes or so

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Speaker 16: I think, Hey, Piney, Yeah, obviously obviously pretty gutted around,

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Speaker 3: I think, what were the key moments for you that

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Speaker 16: Oh, there was just a couple of things where we

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Speaker 16: obviously the French came out after half time and really accurate,

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Speaker 3: Did you feel like you should have been ahead by

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Speaker 16: getting up and defending and and they did it pretty well.

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Speaker 16: But yeah, one or two more little one more passed

433
00:21:11,227 --> 00:21:12,907
Speaker 16: a couple of times and hold onto the ball, one

434
00:21:12,987 --> 00:21:16,147
Speaker 16: or two more phases. But that's the game and that

435
00:21:16,907 --> 00:21:17,227
Speaker 16: it is.

436
00:21:17,347 --> 00:21:19,427
Speaker 3: You were behind last week and the week before that

437
00:21:19,507 --> 00:21:21,787
Speaker 3: won both of those games. So did you have comfort

438
00:21:21,827 --> 00:21:24,227
Speaker 3: that even when France went ahead with what about half

439
00:21:24,227 --> 00:21:25,587
Speaker 3: an hour ago, you were still going to be okay

440
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Speaker 3: to get back in the game.

441
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Speaker 16: Yeah, we got We've got a good, a pretty experienced

442
00:21:31,627 --> 00:21:34,467
Speaker 16: and smart leadership group out there. So even when we

443
00:21:34,627 --> 00:21:36,507
Speaker 16: went there and we shipped two tries and in the

444
00:21:36,627 --> 00:21:38,747
Speaker 16: second half, we knew the boys this went back to

445
00:21:38,747 --> 00:21:41,987
Speaker 16: what we knew and chipped away and knew that we

446
00:21:42,107 --> 00:21:45,427
Speaker 16: just had to be nice and accurate. So yeah, well

447
00:21:45,467 --> 00:21:47,547
Speaker 16: we've made some real strides around that with the leadership

448
00:21:47,547 --> 00:21:49,467
Speaker 16: and our understanding of how to win games. I think

449
00:21:49,667 --> 00:21:52,627
Speaker 16: obviously we couldn't quite get it done this week like

450
00:21:52,707 --> 00:21:54,067
Speaker 16: we have in the last couple of weeks.

451
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Speaker 3: Hindsight, it's always a wonderful thing, I know, But can

452
00:21:56,627 --> 00:21:58,547
Speaker 3: you talk us through the decision to take the three

453
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Speaker 3: points in the seventy fifth minute when you were four

454
00:22:01,107 --> 00:22:01,787
Speaker 3: points behind?

455
00:22:03,307 --> 00:22:07,627
Speaker 16: Yeah, look, I think, yeah, it's a fifty fifty one,

456
00:22:07,707 --> 00:22:09,427
Speaker 16: isn't that. It's one where you just got to you

457
00:22:09,587 --> 00:22:12,267
Speaker 16: back the boys out there. I think the mindset was

458
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Speaker 16: we've been once we get positioned, we've been building pressure

459
00:22:15,027 --> 00:22:18,547
Speaker 16: and the French are infringing, So going within a penalty

460
00:22:18,547 --> 00:22:21,067
Speaker 16: to want it in the seventy ninth was the mindset

461
00:22:21,107 --> 00:22:24,867
Speaker 16: around around what we went to it's probably one have

462
00:22:24,867 --> 00:22:26,787
Speaker 16: a look at, but I think it's probably a fifty

463
00:22:26,787 --> 00:22:28,587
Speaker 16: to fifty and you back the boys on the field

464
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Speaker 16: to get a field for how they think they're going

465
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Speaker 16: to win the game.

466
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Speaker 3: So that decision comes from the on field leadership team

467
00:22:34,907 --> 00:22:36,267
Speaker 3: that doesn't get sent down from the box.

468
00:22:37,347 --> 00:22:39,107
Speaker 16: Well there's a couple of things that go down, but

469
00:22:39,147 --> 00:22:42,547
Speaker 16: sometimes you don't give things down in time, and sometimes

470
00:22:42,547 --> 00:22:45,347
Speaker 16: you just back the boys and I know Raises massive

471
00:22:45,387 --> 00:22:49,787
Speaker 16: on trusting trusting the boys out there. So last week

472
00:22:49,787 --> 00:22:52,747
Speaker 16: we took those points and probably won the game for us.

473
00:22:52,787 --> 00:22:55,067
Speaker 16: So it's a bit of a field thing from week

474
00:22:55,107 --> 00:22:55,347
Speaker 16: to week.

475
00:22:55,387 --> 00:22:57,147
Speaker 2: I think a lot of.

476
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Speaker 3: People are asking about the decision to replace cam royguard

477
00:23:00,427 --> 00:23:02,507
Speaker 3: so early in the second half. Can you give us

478
00:23:02,507 --> 00:23:03,427
Speaker 3: the analysis on that?

479
00:23:04,787 --> 00:23:07,707
Speaker 16: Oh look, she was a she was a quick game

480
00:23:07,747 --> 00:23:10,547
Speaker 16: out there and the Nines are covering some massive meters

481
00:23:10,587 --> 00:23:14,507
Speaker 16: and we know what quarters can give us. You come

482
00:23:14,587 --> 00:23:16,827
Speaker 16: can come on and speed the game up, and I

483
00:23:16,827 --> 00:23:20,027
Speaker 16: think of that little bit can was good and fifty

484
00:23:20,227 --> 00:23:22,347
Speaker 16: fifty or whatever it was, fifty two or fifty three

485
00:23:22,347 --> 00:23:25,667
Speaker 16: minutes and nine's a you know, a new nine as

486
00:23:25,707 --> 00:23:28,707
Speaker 16: a real freshener for the team, so you know that

487
00:23:28,827 --> 00:23:30,107
Speaker 16: was that's someone set there.

488
00:23:31,107 --> 00:23:34,227
Speaker 3: It just seemed that there was a lot more robustness

489
00:23:34,267 --> 00:23:35,707
Speaker 3: at the at the base of the right compared to

490
00:23:35,827 --> 00:23:38,787
Speaker 3: last week, and it felt like Cameray Guard was really

491
00:23:38,827 --> 00:23:41,307
Speaker 3: providing that. Was that a specific work on this week

492
00:23:41,347 --> 00:23:44,107
Speaker 3: that you know, to be a bit more robust at

493
00:23:44,107 --> 00:23:45,867
Speaker 3: the collision and the base of the rug.

494
00:23:47,227 --> 00:23:50,987
Speaker 16: I think that was across the across the board. We

495
00:23:51,067 --> 00:23:53,187
Speaker 16: knew that the French are going to be, you know,

496
00:23:53,347 --> 00:23:55,627
Speaker 16: the probably most physical team we play on this tour,

497
00:23:55,707 --> 00:23:59,227
Speaker 16: and the way we had to stop them around the breakdown,

498
00:23:59,227 --> 00:24:00,867
Speaker 16: we couldn't let them come through, and then when we

499
00:24:00,907 --> 00:24:02,467
Speaker 16: hit the board, we had to be a threat. And

500
00:24:03,267 --> 00:24:04,987
Speaker 16: you know, we know that Cam's you know, all three

501
00:24:04,987 --> 00:24:07,667
Speaker 16: of our nines can be nice and by some dynamic

502
00:24:07,707 --> 00:24:10,467
Speaker 16: and robust around there. So yeah, it was a big

503
00:24:10,467 --> 00:24:12,307
Speaker 16: part of the game, to be honest. The French took

504
00:24:12,387 --> 00:24:14,547
Speaker 16: us on around the breakway, around the ruck and crowded

505
00:24:14,547 --> 00:24:15,467
Speaker 16: a couple of tries from it.

506
00:24:16,347 --> 00:24:18,467
Speaker 3: You monster their scrum, Do you feel like you should

507
00:24:18,507 --> 00:24:20,467
Speaker 3: have had more scrum penalties?

508
00:24:21,347 --> 00:24:24,987
Speaker 16: Uh? Yeah, Look you're probably asking the wrong man here,

509
00:24:25,027 --> 00:24:27,627
Speaker 16: but the feeling I got was that that the other

510
00:24:27,747 --> 00:24:30,707
Speaker 16: Jason was would have been looking for a couple of penalties.

511
00:24:30,747 --> 00:24:33,587
Speaker 16: But yeah, it was good, it was It was awesome,

512
00:24:33,747 --> 00:24:36,307
Speaker 16: awesome stint from from the Type five there, especially in

513
00:24:36,347 --> 00:24:39,387
Speaker 16: the first half, and yeah, I think they were hanging

514
00:24:39,427 --> 00:24:41,907
Speaker 16: on by a thread, but fearless they got to down

515
00:24:41,907 --> 00:24:44,267
Speaker 16: a lot. But it would have been nice to play

516
00:24:44,347 --> 00:24:45,947
Speaker 16: for a couple of advantages that we think maybe we

517
00:24:45,947 --> 00:24:46,507
Speaker 16: should have had.

518
00:24:47,427 --> 00:24:49,987
Speaker 3: Peter, like I came on very early, very very early. Yeah,

519
00:24:50,027 --> 00:24:52,187
Speaker 3: you were a first Hurricanes coach. How have you assessed

520
00:24:52,187 --> 00:24:53,387
Speaker 3: her step up to test rugby.

521
00:24:54,587 --> 00:24:57,627
Speaker 16: Oh, maybe we'd be interesting to watch the video. But

522
00:24:57,747 --> 00:25:00,107
Speaker 16: he looked like he smashed it out there somebody's care

523
00:25:00,147 --> 00:25:02,067
Speaker 16: and some of us working around the collisions against a

524
00:25:02,107 --> 00:25:05,907
Speaker 16: massive French pack. Was was impressive and sort of I

525
00:25:05,947 --> 00:25:09,027
Speaker 16: think a lot of people knew that Pete's going to

526
00:25:09,067 --> 00:25:13,627
Speaker 16: be a long time internationality player and he probably probably

527
00:25:13,627 --> 00:25:17,027
Speaker 16: showed that all the potential there, that's that's already there

528
00:25:17,067 --> 00:25:19,147
Speaker 16: and that he's nailing stuff. So but he had a

529
00:25:19,147 --> 00:25:21,627
Speaker 16: really good game and that'll stand to him his confidence

530
00:25:21,667 --> 00:25:24,267
Speaker 16: and you know, he can be really happy with what

531
00:25:24,347 --> 00:25:24,627
Speaker 16: he did.

532
00:25:25,107 --> 00:25:27,307
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm running out of egectis for Artie Savia,

533
00:25:27,667 --> 00:25:30,067
Speaker 3: even though he didn't actually play open side, how did

534
00:25:30,067 --> 00:25:32,547
Speaker 3: he treat his week with a with a different number

535
00:25:32,547 --> 00:25:39,707
Speaker 3: on his back, a different role to play.

536
00:25:36,907 --> 00:25:38,867
Speaker 16: The boys that you know, they just get about a

537
00:25:38,867 --> 00:25:41,867
Speaker 16: different role and just the way they go. He's been

538
00:25:41,867 --> 00:25:45,347
Speaker 16: playing a bit like a seven and between Ardi being

539
00:25:45,347 --> 00:25:47,667
Speaker 16: the real mentor you know, for the boys at Simipenny,

540
00:25:47,747 --> 00:25:50,907
Speaker 16: for Wally, for Pete around him. He really thrives on

541
00:25:50,947 --> 00:25:53,947
Speaker 16: that and then making sure that you know, the four

542
00:25:53,947 --> 00:25:55,587
Speaker 16: of them plus the other boys don't get a run,

543
00:25:55,587 --> 00:25:57,547
Speaker 16: are really tight during the week and helping each other

544
00:25:57,627 --> 00:26:00,427
Speaker 16: understand exactly how they're going to play. So she's no

545
00:26:01,347 --> 00:26:03,267
Speaker 16: you know, water of ducks back for ours about whether

546
00:26:03,267 --> 00:26:05,067
Speaker 16: he's playing seven or eight. He just prepares to get

547
00:26:05,067 --> 00:26:07,227
Speaker 16: to the week right and help the boys around them.

548
00:26:07,267 --> 00:26:10,987
Speaker 16: So yeah, you're right with superlatives. He was created a

549
00:26:11,027 --> 00:26:13,707
Speaker 16: lot that he created the first try. Someone's carrying and

550
00:26:14,147 --> 00:26:15,667
Speaker 16: work around the breakdowns pronomenal.

551
00:26:16,467 --> 00:26:19,027
Speaker 3: We saw Jordie Barrett leave the field in the first half.

552
00:26:19,347 --> 00:26:20,707
Speaker 3: Can you tell us what the issue was there?

553
00:26:22,347 --> 00:26:22,547
Speaker 11: Yeah?

554
00:26:22,547 --> 00:26:24,587
Speaker 16: I haven't had the for sure, but I just know

555
00:26:25,827 --> 00:26:28,147
Speaker 16: he's hanging on and he's hoping there's nothing too much wrong.

556
00:26:28,187 --> 00:26:29,987
Speaker 16: It's his knee, the other the other knee that he

557
00:26:30,107 --> 00:26:33,107
Speaker 16: his other knees. So hopefully that's only a short short

558
00:26:33,187 --> 00:26:35,827
Speaker 16: term a couple of weeks. But you know, we'll know

559
00:26:35,907 --> 00:26:39,587
Speaker 16: about that when we get scans in that tomorrow. But yeah,

560
00:26:39,627 --> 00:26:41,747
Speaker 16: he's a little bit sore today so this evening, so

561
00:26:41,987 --> 00:26:43,547
Speaker 16: we'll see how we go, all.

562
00:26:43,507 --> 00:26:45,147
Speaker 3: Right, And just to finish a lot of players have

563
00:26:45,147 --> 00:26:47,467
Speaker 3: had big workloads these last three weekends. I think ten

564
00:26:47,467 --> 00:26:50,587
Speaker 3: players have started all three of these three big test matches.

565
00:26:50,627 --> 00:26:52,707
Speaker 3: Lots of others have had three test weeks in a row.

566
00:26:53,107 --> 00:26:54,707
Speaker 3: Are we likely to see a few other players get

567
00:26:54,707 --> 00:26:56,147
Speaker 3: opportunities next week in Durant?

568
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Speaker 16: I think I think we'll put the best team for Italy.

569
00:27:00,827 --> 00:27:03,507
Speaker 16: But you've sort of you've sort of touched on something

570
00:27:03,547 --> 00:27:06,147
Speaker 16: that maybe we've considered that it's been a massive three

571
00:27:06,187 --> 00:27:08,827
Speaker 16: week weeks and it worked hard during the three weeks

572
00:27:08,867 --> 00:27:11,187
Speaker 16: and like everybody is, but we've just got to figure

573
00:27:11,187 --> 00:27:14,907
Speaker 16: out exactly what the best team and wherever runs at

574
00:27:14,907 --> 00:27:17,747
Speaker 16: to make sure that, you know, make sure that we

575
00:27:17,787 --> 00:27:19,867
Speaker 16: can play really well against Italy because we'll need to

576
00:27:21,227 --> 00:27:24,667
Speaker 16: put them away. So yeah, it's'll see what happens Sunday

577
00:27:24,707 --> 00:27:27,907
Speaker 16: and Monday, probably to see where everybody's at. But you're right,

578
00:27:27,947 --> 00:27:30,987
Speaker 16: people have had a big workload and there's definitely going

579
00:27:31,027 --> 00:27:32,067
Speaker 16: to be that it need to be a bit of

580
00:27:32,107 --> 00:27:33,427
Speaker 16: a freshen up in a couple of spots.

581
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Speaker 3: Safe travels Jase, thanks for joining us as always, Thanks Poidie,

582
00:27:38,267 --> 00:27:41,067
Speaker 3: thanks mate, all the best man. That's Jason Holland, assistant

583
00:27:41,067 --> 00:27:43,267
Speaker 3: coach of the All Blacks, joining us with his thoughts

584
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Speaker 3: and some interesting ones there too. Oh eight hundred and

585
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Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty we're going to kep the lines open. We'

586
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Speaker 3: get a quick breakway David, please hold there. Keen to

587
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Speaker 3: chat to you back after this on an Elongated Weekend Sport.

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Speaker 3: Twelve away from twelve on Weekend Sport. David, thanks for

591
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Speaker 3: holding mate.

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Speaker 18: How.

593
00:28:07,987 --> 00:28:09,107
Speaker 19: Good point He.

594
00:28:10,907 --> 00:28:13,507
Speaker 20: Asked all the questions that are pot to ask the

595
00:28:13,587 --> 00:28:19,027
Speaker 20: coach and I still just only just the first half

596
00:28:19,787 --> 00:28:21,867
Speaker 20: on the radio then I was not going to give

597
00:28:21,907 --> 00:28:25,747
Speaker 20: it to I still even the commentated was saying about

598
00:28:27,667 --> 00:28:30,667
Speaker 20: we should have had probably eged another three scrump in

599
00:28:30,787 --> 00:28:37,107
Speaker 20: articular that they put the monster scrum and also that

600
00:28:37,387 --> 00:28:39,747
Speaker 20: four minutes before half time while we propped to make

601
00:28:39,787 --> 00:28:41,507
Speaker 20: a goal, and why not go for the line out

602
00:28:41,547 --> 00:28:43,107
Speaker 20: and try to get a seven point?

603
00:28:45,027 --> 00:28:48,067
Speaker 3: Yeah, that I was listening as well, David. I I

604
00:28:48,267 --> 00:28:49,947
Speaker 3: kind of synced it up to the television. I always

605
00:28:50,027 --> 00:28:53,427
Speaker 3: enjoy listening to Elliott and Gregor, in particular, who knows

606
00:28:53,427 --> 00:28:56,187
Speaker 3: a lot and knows a lot about scrums and scrump penalty.

607
00:28:56,227 --> 00:28:57,987
Speaker 3: So you were probably hearing the same thing I was,

608
00:28:58,347 --> 00:29:00,027
Speaker 3: and I could see it on the screen as well.

609
00:29:00,187 --> 00:29:02,987
Speaker 3: We were just monstering them every time some mighty Williams

610
00:29:02,987 --> 00:29:06,227
Speaker 3: had a mighty game in the front row, you know.

611
00:29:06,507 --> 00:29:10,267
Speaker 3: And yeah, I just don't know that we got as much.

612
00:29:10,827 --> 00:29:13,107
Speaker 3: And I never want to blame referees and it's not

613
00:29:13,107 --> 00:29:14,987
Speaker 3: the reason the game ended the way it did with

614
00:29:15,027 --> 00:29:19,107
Speaker 3: a one point defeat, But yeah, I reckon he. I

615
00:29:19,147 --> 00:29:20,507
Speaker 3: just think he didn't want to give a scrim at

616
00:29:20,507 --> 00:29:22,787
Speaker 3: every penalty. But if that's if that's what's happening, then

617
00:29:22,787 --> 00:29:23,387
Speaker 3: you've got to do it.

618
00:29:24,467 --> 00:29:27,627
Speaker 20: Yeah, I also like to think done. I think we

619
00:29:27,747 --> 00:29:28,307
Speaker 20: might have been.

620
00:29:28,187 --> 00:29:29,107
Speaker 21: Out coached as well.

621
00:29:29,107 --> 00:29:32,587
Speaker 20: It would be feared, especially with their replacements from that.

622
00:29:35,387 --> 00:29:37,947
Speaker 3: Yeah, you mean in terms of when we put the

623
00:29:37,987 --> 00:29:39,067
Speaker 3: subs on that sort of thing.

624
00:29:39,547 --> 00:29:43,867
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, I thought, Yeah, I thought, you know, from

625
00:29:43,867 --> 00:29:47,307
Speaker 20: what I actually get and from what I hear, boy

626
00:29:47,667 --> 00:29:52,267
Speaker 20: come up wait too early and in the first half

627
00:29:52,387 --> 00:29:55,667
Speaker 20: completely outplayed, and that one house back in the world

628
00:29:56,587 --> 00:29:58,267
Speaker 20: I put on, hell of them step it by him?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was I thought when I when

630
00:30:01,467 --> 00:30:03,467
Speaker 3: I saw that happen, which and I made a note

631
00:30:03,507 --> 00:30:06,387
Speaker 3: of it. It was at the fifty minute mark. So

632
00:30:07,667 --> 00:30:11,067
Speaker 3: when roy guard came off, we're thirty minutes to go.

633
00:30:11,187 --> 00:30:13,387
Speaker 3: I thought that was a very odd decision. And we

634
00:30:13,507 --> 00:30:16,027
Speaker 3: just heard Jason Holland's rationale for it. They thought they

635
00:30:16,107 --> 00:30:18,707
Speaker 3: got more free, would get more freshness out of courtes

636
00:30:18,787 --> 00:30:21,107
Speaker 3: lout to mate and look they you know, they live

637
00:30:21,107 --> 00:30:23,347
Speaker 3: and die by their decisions as far as the scoreboard's concerned.

638
00:30:23,387 --> 00:30:25,427
Speaker 3: And and you know, maybe they'll reflect back on that,

639
00:30:25,667 --> 00:30:27,507
Speaker 3: like they willed the decision to take the points near

640
00:30:27,507 --> 00:30:29,667
Speaker 3: the end rather than kick for the line, and they'll

641
00:30:29,707 --> 00:30:32,347
Speaker 3: examine those decisions and say, okay, well, what can we learn?

642
00:30:32,387 --> 00:30:35,507
Speaker 3: Did we do the right thing? You just tack the

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Speaker 3: chance by good on you, David. Good to chat you Mat,

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Speaker 4: Sport feeds Now they all blacks try to search for

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Speaker 4: a year, the disrupted the Magician.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I try by cam roy Guard. There's yeah. I

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Speaker 3: think that's one of the two major talking points out

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Speaker 3: of this game. And Jason Holland answered both the questions.

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Speaker 3: We'll play those those responses again after midday. Taking cam

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Speaker 3: Royguard off so early and taking the points near the

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Speaker 3: end when perhaps the time on the clock and the

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Speaker 3: score on the board, you know, I mean, jeepess hindsight's

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Speaker 3: a wonderful thing. The penalty and the seventy fifth minute

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Speaker 3: which brought it back to thirty twenty nine, and as

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Speaker 3: Jason Holland said, then you're basically one point short with

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Speaker 3: you know, if you get to the seventy ninth minute

662
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Speaker 3: and you can apply pressure and force a penalty, then

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Speaker 3: you know you're in a position to kick a winning goal.

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Speaker 3: If you're four points behind. You're not in that position,

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Speaker 3: so yeah, I think you know, we we can debate

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Speaker 3: and discuss that after midday, which we certainly will. Let's

667
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Speaker 3: get a few texts away before we hit the news.

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Speaker 3: Entertaining game, Piney says, Hellen have to say the French

669
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Speaker 3: were the better sight. We couldn't stop what we knew

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Speaker 3: was coming. Bear in mind there are a few young

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Speaker 3: players in that French team as well. Thanks Ellen, Pinty.

672
00:32:14,747 --> 00:32:18,987
Speaker 3: Over the three games, probably a fair result having won

673
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Speaker 3: two of the three a thickness of the post save

674
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Speaker 3: the All Blacks against England and today they lost by

675
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Speaker 3: a tiny margin. It just shows there's not too much

676
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Speaker 3: between the top teams in the world. Correct. Why was

677
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Speaker 3: Royguard taking off? I don't understand that at all. Nothing

678
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Speaker 3: against Routema, but it was a bit early. Yeah, I

679
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Speaker 3: tend to agree. I just thought he was so good

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Speaker 3: in the first half in addressing something which was a

681
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Speaker 3: big issue last week. I think back to last week

682
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Speaker 3: when in the first half in particular, Ireland was so

683
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Speaker 3: vigorous in the first half at trying to disrupt New

684
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Speaker 3: Zealand's ball at the base of the right, the way

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Speaker 3: they hit the collisions, the way, they went right up

686
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Speaker 3: to the line into the letter of the law, coming

687
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Speaker 3: around and really putting pressure on Cortes Routima as he

688
00:33:02,627 --> 00:33:05,467
Speaker 3: tried to clear the ball. Cam Roy Guard didn't seem

689
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Speaker 3: to have any issues with that. Today he's a bit

690
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Speaker 3: more he's a bit more of a robust guy, but

691
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Speaker 3: more physical, but bigger physically, but it's always been a

692
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Speaker 3: strength of his but it doesn't seem to have any trouble.

693
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Speaker 3: Also when he's not under pressure, clearing quickly from the base,

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Speaker 3: it seems as though that's a hallmark of Courtiz Relautima.

695
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Speaker 3: It's been talked about all year that he is as

696
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Speaker 3: close to Aaron Smith as anybody in New Zealand in

697
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Speaker 3: that regard, in the opinion of a lot of people.

698
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Speaker 3: But today there was just I don't know, maybe the

699
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Speaker 3: smoothness from his past wasn't quite there for whatever reason,

700
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Speaker 3: and he didn't go on with half an hour ago,

701
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Speaker 3: you know, with any other intent than clearing quickly from

702
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Speaker 3: the base. Just for whatever reason didn't happen for Courtiz

703
00:33:53,227 --> 00:33:56,187
Speaker 3: re Utimate today and it brings into sharp focus why

704
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Speaker 3: Cameron Guard was taken off. Anyway, that's one of the

705
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Speaker 3: one of the talking points. The other one is the

706
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Speaker 3: is the points at the end. And again Jason Holland

707
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Speaker 3: addressed that, as I say, Stevens is pinty, the decision

708
00:34:06,347 --> 00:34:08,067
Speaker 3: it made in the last fifteen minutes to kick the

709
00:34:08,067 --> 00:34:13,067
Speaker 3: goal probably reflected a lack of belief in our lineout.

710
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Speaker 3: It's been niggling away in the background for a while now.

711
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Speaker 3: See I'm not sure I subscribed to that necessarily, Stephen,

712
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Speaker 3: because last week I don't think we we lost one

713
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Speaker 3: line out, didn't we We lost one line out, which

714
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Speaker 3: was that one that wasn't thrown in straight when the

715
00:34:31,587 --> 00:34:34,827
Speaker 3: Irish didn't contest. I'm just bringing up the stats here.

716
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Speaker 3: Today we lost one line out today one just the

717
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Speaker 3: one again, So across two Test matches we've lost one

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Speaker 3: line out, So I don't subscribe to that. We won

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Speaker 3: ten today. So yeah, I'm not sure that that was

720
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Speaker 3: the reason. I'm almost positive the reason was exactly what

721
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Speaker 3: Jason Holland said that they thought to themselves, if we

722
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Speaker 3: can get within one point with four or five minutes

723
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Speaker 3: on the clock, get down that end again, create some pressure,

724
00:35:08,347 --> 00:35:13,747
Speaker 3: then any score wins us the game. In hindsight, would

725
00:35:13,747 --> 00:35:16,827
Speaker 3: they have done it differently? Probably because they lost today,

726
00:35:16,827 --> 00:35:18,587
Speaker 3: but they wouldn't at the time. I think it was

727
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Speaker 3: a I think it was a decision based on some

728
00:35:22,067 --> 00:35:26,347
Speaker 3: fairly sound logic. Yes, it was late in the game. Yes,

729
00:35:26,387 --> 00:35:28,107
Speaker 3: at some point you have to say to yourself, okay,

730
00:35:28,227 --> 00:35:30,067
Speaker 3: we're where this far on in the game now that

731
00:35:30,107 --> 00:35:35,627
Speaker 3: we have to start thinking about, you know, going for fives. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: News at midday then we're back with Weekend Sport.

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Speaker 1: The only place for the big names, the big issues,

734
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Speaker 1: the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on

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Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Pain on your home of Sport News.

736
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Speaker 2: Talks, ed Beat Caunt.

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Speaker 3: A good afternoon, Welcome in, well, welcome back to Weekend

738
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Speaker 3: Sport on News Talks head Beat. We've been here for

739
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Speaker 3: about forty five minutes, but if you're just joining us,

740
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Speaker 3: it's great to have you along. I'm Jason Pine Show

741
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Speaker 3: producer Andy McDonald. We're here talking sport until three.

742
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Speaker 4: Jordan has to take their tackle.

743
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Speaker 6: He's hold up off the deck.

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Speaker 9: Let's goette, need to get the knee to ground, well right, swallow.

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Speaker 6: Them up, heat up the it yea goes out for

746
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Speaker 6: France beyond go down fast seven foot time in France

747
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Speaker 6: do it again over.

748
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Speaker 4: The off match by one point thirty twenty nine pair.

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Speaker 3: Big focus for the next couple of hours or so

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Speaker 3: on the All Blacks France test. Former England international and

751
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Speaker 3: Hurricanes captain Brad Shields along shortly with his analysis, will

752
00:36:47,067 --> 00:36:49,227
Speaker 3: have some postmatch thoughts from inside the All Blacks camp

753
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Speaker 3: as well. They're currently going through their post match media.

754
00:36:53,107 --> 00:36:57,707
Speaker 3: Elliott Smith is feverishly beavering away and the bowels of

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Speaker 3: Star de France. No doubt he'll send that audio back

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Speaker 3: to us. We'll get some postmatch thoughts. We've already heard

757
00:37:02,827 --> 00:37:05,587
Speaker 3: from Jason Hollins before midday. He made a couple of

758
00:37:05,627 --> 00:37:09,107
Speaker 3: interesting points to a couple of the I guess the

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00:37:09,187 --> 00:37:13,867
Speaker 3: big talking points from this game for me anyway, the

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Speaker 3: decision to replace Cam roy Gard so early in the

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Speaker 3: second half and the decision to kick for goal with

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Speaker 3: five minutes to go and a four point deficit. You'll

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Speaker 3: have some thoughts on that, no doubt as well. Your

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Speaker 3: views are actually what I'm really after this afternoon. You

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Speaker 3: can make your point in all the usual ways. Oh,

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Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty lines open immediately nine

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Speaker 3: two ninety two. If you would prefer to correspond via

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Speaker 3: text other matters around today after two rarely looking forward

769
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Speaker 3: to catching up with Finn Butcher. He provided us with

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Speaker 3: one of the undoubted highlights of the year, his gold

771
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Speaker 3: medal and the kayak cross at the Paris Olympic Games.

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Speaker 3: With some time and space to reflect, will reminisce a

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Speaker 3: bit with Finn Butcher after two o'clock. All Whites defender

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Speaker 3: Michael Boxel's on the show as well, James mcconey and

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Speaker 3: his regular slot around one p forty five. Quite a

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Speaker 3: bit of live sport to keep an eye on this

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00:38:03,867 --> 00:38:06,907
Speaker 3: afternoon as well for you. Domestic women's cricket, Round two

778
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Speaker 3: of the Halliburton Johnston Shield fifty over competition. Three matches

779
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Speaker 3: to keep tabs on, penultimate round, action in men's and

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Speaker 3: women's National League Football, bunch of NBA basketball games, supercars

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Speaker 3: and Adelaide as well. We'll make sure that you are updated.

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Speaker 2: On all of that.

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Speaker 3: Please join us though with your thoughts at any time.

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Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty remains our phone number

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Speaker 3: nine two nine to two on text, and if you

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Speaker 3: want to bash out some slightly more comprehensive thoughts you

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Speaker 3: can do that on an email Jason at newstalksb dot

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Speaker 1: Midday analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting

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Speaker 1: world weekends for it with Jason Vive.

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Speaker 2: They call eight hundred and eighty eighty News Talks.

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Speaker 3: MB ten past midday. So All Blacks twenty nine France

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00:38:55,787 --> 00:38:58,027
Speaker 3: thirty look a good Test match. I think if you

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00:38:58,067 --> 00:39:00,307
Speaker 3: were a neutral it was a good Test match, but

795
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Speaker 3: one I think that the All Blacks will say perhaps

796
00:39:03,227 --> 00:39:06,107
Speaker 3: got away from them. Some of the postmatch thoughts with

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Speaker 3: her of Artie Savia and Scott Robertson, and we'll hear

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Speaker 3: more as well. And I look at some of the

799
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Speaker 3: phrases they used. Artie Savier talked about some silly mistakes,

800
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Speaker 3: some turnovers, needing to put the nail in the coffin,

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00:39:18,987 --> 00:39:21,587
Speaker 3: you know. Similarly, Scott Robinson says we didn't get off

802
00:39:21,627 --> 00:39:24,827
Speaker 3: our back fence well enough, disappointed but proud we're playing

803
00:39:24,867 --> 00:39:27,067
Speaker 3: good footy. But I just wish we could have won

804
00:39:27,147 --> 00:39:31,027
Speaker 3: that one. That's what Scott Robertson said in the postmatch afterwards.

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Speaker 3: More from him to come.

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Speaker 4: What is Leftenso Williams at the back, but Jordan Jordan

807
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Speaker 4: pul Lucky all LEFTENSI Hana plot Buck.

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00:39:37,747 --> 00:39:41,067
Speaker 9: Into the twenty two Ernie Sarvia cut second film.

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Speaker 6: First minute that black rover Peter Light.

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Speaker 4: Been on the parts for six minutes. That's your black

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Speaker 4: first right.

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Speaker 3: Here, Peter Luck. I had to come on in the

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00:39:52,867 --> 00:39:54,987
Speaker 3: second minute after some of Penny Female was forced off,

814
00:39:55,067 --> 00:39:56,587
Speaker 3: got a try off the run of a or off

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Speaker 3: the back of a barn storming run from Artie Savier.

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Speaker 3: End of the day though, France thirty All Blacks twenty nine,

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Speaker 3: Let's bring in former England international hugely experienced hurricanes and

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Speaker 3: Wellington loose forward Brad Shields. Brad, thanks for joining us, mate,

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Speaker 3: France thirty All Blacks twenty nine. What was your overall

820
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Speaker 3: assessment of what you saw from the All Blacks this morning?

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Speaker 22: Yeah?

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Speaker 23: Thanks having me Piney and I suppose it's good afternoon

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Speaker 23: after mid David, Yeah, I was a bloody good test match,

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Speaker 23: I thought, and I don't think people definitely predicted the

825
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Speaker 23: way the game was going to go, but I just think,

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Speaker 23: you know, all Blacks sort of just maybe let themselves

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Speaker 23: down a couple of times, just with finishing off and

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Speaker 23: if they've got a couple of things finished then it

829
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Speaker 23: could have been a completely different story tonight.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, So I mean when you go to analyze things

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Speaker 3: like that, I mean, mistakes are going to happen and

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Speaker 3: pressure moments, aren't they. It's there's nothing they could have

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Speaker 3: done differently apart from me, you say, maybe held onto

834
00:40:52,867 --> 00:40:55,987
Speaker 3: the ball. But mistakes happened, don't they. And I appreciate situations.

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Speaker 23: That's exactly it. And I guess the difference when you

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Speaker 23: make a mistake is France toppled on that, you know,

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Speaker 23: like the next sort of one mistake from All Blacks

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Speaker 23: and then the year the France ended up scoring try

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Speaker 23: as you know, the worst possible outcome for a mistake,

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Speaker 23: and sometimes that's the way it goes. And you know

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00:41:13,787 --> 00:41:16,947
Speaker 23: that sometimes steez, they don't go away. And unfortunately tonight

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00:41:18,307 --> 00:41:20,307
Speaker 23: that didn't happen for the All Blacks. But like I said,

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Speaker 23: a huge Test match and obviously being very biased, you

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Speaker 23: played a little clip there from Peter Larky scoring and

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Speaker 23: try and you know I was jumping out of my

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Speaker 23: seat for him. It was a massive occasion for him

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Speaker 23: in his family. So it's cool to see him go

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Speaker 23: on early.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've written down his name to ask you about

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Speaker 3: you've obviously had an up close view of his development

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Speaker 3: at super rugby level. What what have you made of

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00:41:40,267 --> 00:41:42,867
Speaker 3: Peter like I from you know, from playing alongside him

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Speaker 3: and watching him develop.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, I guess for me, he's just a guy that

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Speaker 23: just rolls his fleece up and does his work. And

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00:41:50,227 --> 00:41:52,147
Speaker 23: he's got a bit of expector as well. And like

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Speaker 23: you said tonight, like he's obviously scored a try for me,

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Speaker 23: but he didn't didn't necessarily do anything you know, explosive

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Speaker 23: or I mean so not explosive like xpect the sort

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Speaker 23: of thing tonight. But he did his job really well.

861
00:42:02,747 --> 00:42:04,427
Speaker 23: And you notice when you got the ball and carry

862
00:42:04,467 --> 00:42:08,187
Speaker 23: like the leg driving to fight for another extra few meters,

863
00:42:08,227 --> 00:42:10,067
Speaker 23: and some of his work off the ball, like I

864
00:42:10,107 --> 00:42:13,707
Speaker 23: don't know, it's got watch certain players off the ball,

865
00:42:13,747 --> 00:42:14,947
Speaker 23: but if you watch the way he works around the

866
00:42:14,947 --> 00:42:16,827
Speaker 23: sead like he's just a relentless work create and that's

867
00:42:16,827 --> 00:42:20,267
Speaker 23: exactly what you saw in the Hurricanes. And you know

868
00:42:20,307 --> 00:42:22,427
Speaker 23: when he played for Wellington as well, like his ability

869
00:42:22,467 --> 00:42:24,387
Speaker 23: to be where the ball is and how he scored

870
00:42:24,427 --> 00:42:26,387
Speaker 23: his try is if you watch him off the ball,

871
00:42:26,427 --> 00:42:27,867
Speaker 23: he's just really married to go.

872
00:42:28,587 --> 00:42:30,787
Speaker 3: I guess there's a spot opening up in the seven

873
00:42:30,907 --> 00:42:34,507
Speaker 3: jumper for the All Blacks. We know Sam Kaines leaving Artie. Look,

874
00:42:34,547 --> 00:42:36,547
Speaker 3: he could play there obviously and started with a seven

875
00:42:36,587 --> 00:42:38,027
Speaker 3: on his back tonight, but might be number eight. Do

876
00:42:38,107 --> 00:42:40,387
Speaker 3: you think Peter like I might have his his nose

877
00:42:40,467 --> 00:42:43,067
Speaker 3: in front even from this performance, to perhaps get a

878
00:42:43,147 --> 00:42:46,067
Speaker 3: crack at at wearing seven and the first few test

879
00:42:46,107 --> 00:42:46,947
Speaker 3: matches of next year.

880
00:42:47,867 --> 00:42:50,107
Speaker 23: Oh, you'd like to think so, and I guess. And

881
00:42:50,227 --> 00:42:52,827
Speaker 23: the biggest test of him obviously, you know, playing for

882
00:42:52,907 --> 00:42:55,187
Speaker 23: All Blacks is huge, but I do think for his

883
00:42:55,347 --> 00:42:57,467
Speaker 23: future development, the biggest test for him, which we back

884
00:42:57,547 --> 00:42:59,867
Speaker 23: up another good Super Rugby season with a with a

885
00:43:00,027 --> 00:43:03,947
Speaker 23: with another good season. And that's where you notice I

886
00:43:04,027 --> 00:43:06,227
Speaker 23: reckon players her accelerate as they have back to be

887
00:43:06,507 --> 00:43:09,427
Speaker 23: seasons that are real positive because it's quite I'm not

888
00:43:09,467 --> 00:43:13,147
Speaker 23: saying it's easy, but you know, he's relatively fresh, relatively young,

889
00:43:13,507 --> 00:43:16,507
Speaker 23: playing really good rugby. When teams start to figure out

890
00:43:16,547 --> 00:43:18,507
Speaker 23: how they play and who's a big threat in the team,

891
00:43:19,347 --> 00:43:21,387
Speaker 23: you know they'll start to target players up Pete so

892
00:43:21,987 --> 00:43:24,147
Speaker 23: to for him to accelerate, I reckon his career it

893
00:43:24,147 --> 00:43:26,427
Speaker 23: will be the Super Rugby season will be the difference

894
00:43:26,707 --> 00:43:28,347
Speaker 23: from him to keep a shot at AB's as well.

895
00:43:28,707 --> 00:43:30,267
Speaker 3: Yeah, looking forward to that, I want to ask you,

896
00:43:30,547 --> 00:43:33,987
Speaker 3: you've captained sides the decision right near the end, on

897
00:43:34,027 --> 00:43:36,427
Speaker 3: in the seventy fifth minute, at four points down to

898
00:43:36,507 --> 00:43:38,747
Speaker 3: take the shot at goal to close it up to

899
00:43:38,867 --> 00:43:41,867
Speaker 3: thirty twenty nine. When you're a captain in a situation

900
00:43:42,107 --> 00:43:44,267
Speaker 3: like that where you've got an option you can take

901
00:43:44,307 --> 00:43:45,827
Speaker 3: the points, you can kick for the line and maybe

902
00:43:45,867 --> 00:43:48,387
Speaker 3: try and get the seven pointer, what sort of things

903
00:43:48,467 --> 00:43:50,867
Speaker 3: factor into your decision making at a time like that.

904
00:43:52,107 --> 00:43:55,107
Speaker 23: Well, I guess you straight away to think about where

905
00:43:55,627 --> 00:43:57,987
Speaker 23: the game's gone and how the game's gone. And if

906
00:43:58,027 --> 00:43:59,987
Speaker 23: you think about the All Blacks attacking their line, like

907
00:44:00,027 --> 00:44:03,427
Speaker 23: they struggle to score points and in terms of they

908
00:44:03,507 --> 00:44:05,787
Speaker 23: get really really close and then they'd get turned over

909
00:44:05,907 --> 00:44:10,027
Speaker 23: or a pen or something like that, Like I think

910
00:44:10,467 --> 00:44:13,187
Speaker 23: with the neck roll against it might have been against

911
00:44:13,227 --> 00:44:15,227
Speaker 23: All Blacks maybe, But there's just certain things that you

912
00:44:15,307 --> 00:44:17,027
Speaker 23: think about throughout the game and you get to that

913
00:44:17,107 --> 00:44:18,427
Speaker 23: point you're like, well, what are we going to do.

914
00:44:18,467 --> 00:44:20,147
Speaker 23: We're going to back ourselves to get back down here.

915
00:44:21,187 --> 00:44:23,267
Speaker 23: They look dominant, like All Blacks look like they're on

916
00:44:23,307 --> 00:44:25,707
Speaker 23: the front foot, so you know, you've still got a

917
00:44:26,067 --> 00:44:28,187
Speaker 23: chunk of time on the game list. But unfortunately, I

918
00:44:28,227 --> 00:44:30,227
Speaker 23: think you said before Raser said, you know, had to

919
00:44:30,267 --> 00:44:31,747
Speaker 23: get off their back fence, and they struggled to get

920
00:44:31,747 --> 00:44:32,907
Speaker 23: out of their twenty two in the deck end of

921
00:44:32,947 --> 00:44:37,027
Speaker 23: the game. So decisions always get screw on outcome. And

922
00:44:37,627 --> 00:44:40,067
Speaker 23: you know, whether they should have taken it or not,

923
00:44:40,147 --> 00:44:41,347
Speaker 23: I'm not I'm not really sure. I was them on

924
00:44:41,387 --> 00:44:43,267
Speaker 23: the field, so they obviously had a good discussion before it.

925
00:44:44,827 --> 00:44:47,307
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, as you say, decisions get screwedinized on outcome.

926
00:44:47,347 --> 00:44:48,627
Speaker 3: That's such a good phrase. I'm going to write that

927
00:44:48,667 --> 00:44:51,187
Speaker 3: down and use that and the years the years ahead

928
00:44:51,187 --> 00:44:54,587
Speaker 3: shield O, good one. What about the decision then to

929
00:44:55,267 --> 00:44:58,467
Speaker 3: withdraw cam rouyguard five minutes or sorry, ten minutes into

930
00:44:58,507 --> 00:44:59,707
Speaker 3: the second half? What did you make of that?

931
00:45:00,987 --> 00:45:04,027
Speaker 23: Yeah, again, obviously pretty bass. I would have loved to

932
00:45:04,027 --> 00:45:06,707
Speaker 23: see Keim go for another you know, ten minutes at least,

933
00:45:07,387 --> 00:45:09,827
Speaker 23: I think he was in control of the game. And uh,

934
00:45:10,107 --> 00:45:13,547
Speaker 23: and obviously it's unfortunate for Atima because you know, a

935
00:45:13,587 --> 00:45:15,467
Speaker 23: couple of calls didn't go his way when he got

936
00:45:15,507 --> 00:45:17,707
Speaker 23: on the field, Like there was the five second watches,

937
00:45:17,747 --> 00:45:20,147
Speaker 23: but sometimes a little bit unfortunate. But you know, the

938
00:45:20,187 --> 00:45:22,827
Speaker 23: referee was pretty clear and that push your team under

939
00:45:22,827 --> 00:45:24,427
Speaker 23: a little bit of pressure. But you know, he's a

940
00:45:24,427 --> 00:45:26,387
Speaker 23: great player as well, and he's got a huge spark

941
00:45:26,467 --> 00:45:29,107
Speaker 23: and brings a lot of energy into the game. So

942
00:45:29,907 --> 00:45:32,347
Speaker 23: again it's the same thing. You know, like you bring

943
00:45:32,427 --> 00:45:35,947
Speaker 23: guys on for impact, and for the last few weeks

944
00:45:35,987 --> 00:45:37,987
Speaker 23: that All Blacks have been in a really good position

945
00:45:38,347 --> 00:45:40,107
Speaker 23: and the guys on the bench have finished the game

946
00:45:40,147 --> 00:45:43,187
Speaker 23: for them really strong. You know, sometimes a few things

947
00:45:43,267 --> 00:45:45,827
Speaker 23: go against you and I yeah, I mean, like I said,

948
00:45:45,827 --> 00:45:47,467
Speaker 23: I would have loved came to have a few more minutes,

949
00:45:47,507 --> 00:45:50,187
Speaker 23: but obviously the coach seats I think, but Findon wants

950
00:45:50,227 --> 00:45:54,107
Speaker 23: to make that change, and corties as a good player,

951
00:45:54,187 --> 00:45:55,627
Speaker 23: so you're going to put those guys on, so then

952
00:45:55,627 --> 00:45:56,507
Speaker 23: they're going to fish job.

953
00:45:57,227 --> 00:45:59,027
Speaker 3: How did you assist the All Black scrum tonight?

954
00:46:02,107 --> 00:46:03,787
Speaker 23: I thought they were a bit unlucky a couple of times.

955
00:46:03,827 --> 00:46:08,027
Speaker 23: Obviously early on they got a penalty against them. Wasn't

956
00:46:08,147 --> 00:46:12,467
Speaker 23: probably as forceful as it has been maybe, but at

957
00:46:12,507 --> 00:46:14,147
Speaker 23: the same time, it looked like the ref was just

958
00:46:14,227 --> 00:46:15,827
Speaker 23: trying to let the game go a little bit. And

959
00:46:15,907 --> 00:46:17,787
Speaker 23: there was that one I think towards the back end

960
00:46:17,787 --> 00:46:19,187
Speaker 23: of the game where they've got a decent shun to

961
00:46:19,227 --> 00:46:20,667
Speaker 23: on it went down to ground and he just wanted

962
00:46:20,667 --> 00:46:24,547
Speaker 23: them to play it. So yeah, but a bit of

963
00:46:24,587 --> 00:46:27,347
Speaker 23: a mixed bag, I think, And usually with your set

964
00:46:27,427 --> 00:46:29,667
Speaker 23: piece if you're real dominant, like towards the back end

965
00:46:29,747 --> 00:46:31,707
Speaker 23: of a couple of games, like I said, those three

966
00:46:31,747 --> 00:46:33,667
Speaker 23: front rollers, come on, they changed the game through scrum

967
00:46:33,747 --> 00:46:37,347
Speaker 23: against England, and I think they're just just a little

968
00:46:37,387 --> 00:46:39,547
Speaker 23: bit off, but not to say it wasn't a good weapon,

969
00:46:39,627 --> 00:46:42,227
Speaker 23: but didn't get it utilized as much as maybe they

970
00:46:42,227 --> 00:46:42,787
Speaker 23: would have liked.

971
00:46:43,747 --> 00:46:47,467
Speaker 3: All right, And yesterday we were talking about these three

972
00:46:47,507 --> 00:46:50,467
Speaker 3: big test matches England, Island, France and I think going North,

973
00:46:50,507 --> 00:46:52,027
Speaker 3: a lot of people said, okay, win two out of

974
00:46:52,067 --> 00:46:54,547
Speaker 3: the three and that's a pretty good outcome. The All

975
00:46:54,587 --> 00:46:56,427
Speaker 3: Blacks have won two out of three. But do you

976
00:46:56,467 --> 00:47:00,027
Speaker 3: think they'll they'll consider today was an opportunity lost to

977
00:47:00,187 --> 00:47:02,067
Speaker 3: you know, to Grand Slam the Northern Tour.

978
00:47:03,307 --> 00:47:05,667
Speaker 23: I definitely think so. And like I said earlier, they

979
00:47:05,747 --> 00:47:08,067
Speaker 23: definitely had opportunities and they looked like they were a

980
00:47:08,107 --> 00:47:10,547
Speaker 23: dominant team France just found a way to hang in

981
00:47:10,627 --> 00:47:13,627
Speaker 23: there in a couple of you know, brilliant plays keep

982
00:47:13,667 --> 00:47:16,427
Speaker 23: them in the game, and obviously the boot as well,

983
00:47:16,507 --> 00:47:20,267
Speaker 23: keeping them those those few penalty kicks ahead put pressure

984
00:47:20,307 --> 00:47:22,707
Speaker 23: on the All Blacks in terms of scoreboard. But you know,

985
00:47:22,787 --> 00:47:25,067
Speaker 23: the All Blacks will be gutted because they definitely put

986
00:47:25,107 --> 00:47:28,227
Speaker 23: themselves in a position to win the game. And in France,

987
00:47:28,267 --> 00:47:30,067
Speaker 23: you know, you saw the pre match and the crowd

988
00:47:30,107 --> 00:47:32,547
Speaker 23: thing in the national anthem, the theatrics for the French

989
00:47:32,627 --> 00:47:36,427
Speaker 23: rugby like it's just an incredible spectacle to be involved in.

990
00:47:36,507 --> 00:47:38,347
Speaker 23: And I think they'll be gutted, but they al still

991
00:47:38,347 --> 00:47:41,187
Speaker 23: be proud of their effort and they've got to, you know,

992
00:47:41,267 --> 00:47:43,027
Speaker 23: get back on the horse pretty quickly. I'm not saying

993
00:47:43,467 --> 00:47:45,747
Speaker 23: it leads an easy game. They certainly have to roll

994
00:47:45,747 --> 00:47:47,867
Speaker 23: their sleeves up and I'm sure they'll make a few

995
00:47:47,947 --> 00:47:49,547
Speaker 23: changes and bars opportunity.

996
00:47:50,307 --> 00:47:52,347
Speaker 3: I know your family's vying for your attention, Brad. I

997
00:47:52,387 --> 00:47:54,467
Speaker 3: appreciate you taking some time on your Saturday afternoon.

998
00:47:54,987 --> 00:47:55,187
Speaker 8: Mate.

999
00:47:55,307 --> 00:47:56,547
Speaker 3: Thanks thanks for joining us.

1000
00:47:57,147 --> 00:47:59,707
Speaker 23: No, it's all good. Thanks having me finally appreciating mate, all.

1001
00:47:59,627 --> 00:48:03,827
Speaker 3: The best mates years. That's Bradshields, England International Hurricanes captain

1002
00:48:03,987 --> 00:48:07,827
Speaker 3: and a pretty astute rugby observer. Your thoughts now keen

1003
00:48:07,907 --> 00:48:09,587
Speaker 3: to hear you know what you made of it?

1004
00:48:09,627 --> 00:48:09,747
Speaker 24: All?

1005
00:48:09,827 --> 00:48:11,787
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. There's a couple

1006
00:48:11,827 --> 00:48:14,747
Speaker 3: of things I'd like to for you to pick up on,

1007
00:48:14,907 --> 00:48:18,227
Speaker 3: if you so choose. I just want to get your

1008
00:48:18,307 --> 00:48:20,267
Speaker 3: views on a couple of things. And that's a great

1009
00:48:20,347 --> 00:48:24,267
Speaker 3: phrase by Brad Shields. By the way, decisions are scrutinized

1010
00:48:24,307 --> 00:48:27,107
Speaker 3: on outcome, so it's easy to say, right, they made

1011
00:48:27,147 --> 00:48:29,907
Speaker 3: that decision, and here's what happened. They took the three

1012
00:48:29,987 --> 00:48:32,467
Speaker 3: points in the seventy fifth minute to square it up

1013
00:48:32,507 --> 00:48:35,947
Speaker 3: to thirty twenty nine, but then we'ren't able to get

1014
00:48:35,947 --> 00:48:38,627
Speaker 3: back down that end again and put pressure on to

1015
00:48:39,787 --> 00:48:43,027
Speaker 3: earn what would have been another scoring opportunity. That decision

1016
00:48:43,027 --> 00:48:46,987
Speaker 3: scrutinized on outcome. Same with camera regard. I still don't

1017
00:48:47,067 --> 00:48:50,747
Speaker 3: really understand why he was withdrawn when he was unless

1018
00:48:50,867 --> 00:48:55,187
Speaker 3: there was an injury and we haven't heard that confirmed. Yen,

1019
00:48:55,227 --> 00:48:57,987
Speaker 3: And looking forward to hearing the postmatch audio from Scott

1020
00:48:58,147 --> 00:49:02,747
Speaker 3: Robertson because I'm sure the question will be asked. I

1021
00:49:03,387 --> 00:49:06,987
Speaker 3: I was not mystified. I was curious about the decision

1022
00:49:08,187 --> 00:49:13,107
Speaker 3: with half an hour still to go, why they took

1023
00:49:13,187 --> 00:49:15,867
Speaker 3: Royguard off. I thought he's having a good game. Got

1024
00:49:15,907 --> 00:49:17,667
Speaker 3: that try that, you know, that's an X fact to

1025
00:49:17,747 --> 00:49:21,507
Speaker 3: try that almost like an intercept slash strip of the

1026
00:49:21,547 --> 00:49:24,787
Speaker 3: ball and then sprints away twenty meters to score. You know,

1027
00:49:25,347 --> 00:49:27,347
Speaker 3: it's an X fact to try. It's only one part

1028
00:49:27,387 --> 00:49:30,507
Speaker 3: of it though he was. He was very physical Cam

1029
00:49:30,587 --> 00:49:33,867
Speaker 3: roy Guard. He had them guessing, you know, his ability

1030
00:49:33,947 --> 00:49:37,747
Speaker 3: to snipe and yes, I know my Hurricanes bias is

1031
00:49:37,987 --> 00:49:41,827
Speaker 3: coming through here, but just you don't know when you're

1032
00:49:41,867 --> 00:49:44,867
Speaker 3: defending the All Blacks at ruck time if Cam Royguard's

1033
00:49:44,867 --> 00:49:47,187
Speaker 3: going to pick and go himself or not. Because he

1034
00:49:47,667 --> 00:49:50,507
Speaker 3: does it so often that you've always got to be

1035
00:49:50,627 --> 00:49:52,867
Speaker 3: a little bit in two minds. Okay, is he passing

1036
00:49:52,907 --> 00:49:55,707
Speaker 3: as he's going? I just think he offers a lot

1037
00:49:55,867 --> 00:49:58,467
Speaker 3: and could have offered more in minutes sort of fifty

1038
00:49:58,507 --> 00:50:01,827
Speaker 3: three to sixty five. Again, hindsight's a wonderful thing, but

1039
00:50:02,907 --> 00:50:07,547
Speaker 3: decisions are scrutinized on outcome. I'm going to use that

1040
00:50:07,627 --> 00:50:10,867
Speaker 3: phrase so often now, Jason, Hi, mate, Yeah.

1041
00:50:11,227 --> 00:50:12,747
Speaker 25: That's a bit I was going to one of my

1042
00:50:12,907 --> 00:50:15,267
Speaker 25: four points and make them quick. If you look at

1043
00:50:15,307 --> 00:50:17,227
Speaker 25: what were they wouldn't have done that if Aaron Smith

1044
00:50:17,387 --> 00:50:19,787
Speaker 25: was playing, and he's our closest at least they've sold

1045
00:50:19,827 --> 00:50:21,827
Speaker 25: the question of who's our next Aaron Smith and you

1046
00:50:21,947 --> 00:50:24,827
Speaker 25: just mentioned him can Roygate all day long. They wouldn't

1047
00:50:24,827 --> 00:50:27,307
Speaker 25: have taken Aaron Smith off with the game so perishly

1048
00:50:27,427 --> 00:50:30,267
Speaker 25: positioned as it was. You know, I'm just no doubt

1049
00:50:30,267 --> 00:50:32,787
Speaker 25: about that. So that was the only bit that I

1050
00:50:32,867 --> 00:50:35,907
Speaker 25: was disappointed, because I tell you what, mate, this was

1051
00:50:35,987 --> 00:50:40,667
Speaker 25: less about not getting the w more about the performance.

1052
00:50:40,707 --> 00:50:42,507
Speaker 25: And we talked about this yesterday and I think some

1053
00:50:42,627 --> 00:50:45,707
Speaker 25: of your callers did. I was mightily proud of those guys.

1054
00:50:45,827 --> 00:50:48,187
Speaker 25: They took physicality to a level that I don't think

1055
00:50:48,187 --> 00:50:50,867
Speaker 25: they were capable of at this stage of their development.

1056
00:50:50,987 --> 00:50:54,187
Speaker 25: They were so over the fringe. It was only the

1057
00:50:54,307 --> 00:50:58,067
Speaker 25: crowd that was their oxygen mask. They absolutely blew their

1058
00:50:58,147 --> 00:51:00,427
Speaker 25: lights out in the first half, and Tony Johnson said

1059
00:51:00,467 --> 00:51:03,227
Speaker 25: a real key thing about eight minutes with all this dominance,

1060
00:51:04,147 --> 00:51:06,827
Speaker 25: I just hope the All Blacks won't regret that they

1061
00:51:06,867 --> 00:51:08,587
Speaker 25: haven't put a few more points on because there was

1062
00:51:08,627 --> 00:51:10,987
Speaker 25: two key moments with nine minutes to go, when we're

1063
00:51:11,027 --> 00:51:13,867
Speaker 25: both under their sticks and we got turnover penalties against us.

1064
00:51:14,787 --> 00:51:17,187
Speaker 25: We score three or five or seven, and one of

1065
00:51:17,267 --> 00:51:20,347
Speaker 25: those two French don't come back. They go under the

1066
00:51:20,387 --> 00:51:23,227
Speaker 25: break deflated because they were out on their feet.

1067
00:51:23,547 --> 00:51:23,907
Speaker 18: Piney.

1068
00:51:24,347 --> 00:51:25,627
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, we should have been a head by more.

1069
00:51:25,667 --> 00:51:26,947
Speaker 3: We should have been Yeah, we should have been a

1070
00:51:27,027 --> 00:51:28,227
Speaker 3: head by more at halftime.

1071
00:51:28,747 --> 00:51:31,467
Speaker 25: Totally, and look I've got nothing and the big question

1072
00:51:31,547 --> 00:51:33,707
Speaker 25: you raised before, of course it was the right decision

1073
00:51:33,747 --> 00:51:35,387
Speaker 25: for four and a half minutes to take three. They

1074
00:51:35,427 --> 00:51:38,467
Speaker 25: were certain three points and we would back ourselves nine

1075
00:51:38,547 --> 00:51:41,507
Speaker 25: times out of ten to go up, get a regain

1076
00:51:41,587 --> 00:51:43,987
Speaker 25: off the cack or whatever. French make a mistake, we're

1077
00:51:44,027 --> 00:51:45,587
Speaker 25: under their post again, we get a penalty.

1078
00:51:45,667 --> 00:51:46,067
Speaker 26: Game over.

1079
00:51:46,267 --> 00:51:48,747
Speaker 25: So I have no question that that was absolutely the

1080
00:51:48,827 --> 00:51:51,267
Speaker 25: right thing to do with that amount of time left.

1081
00:51:52,387 --> 00:51:54,627
Speaker 3: Okay? Was that all four points? Have you got a

1082
00:51:54,627 --> 00:51:55,267
Speaker 3: couple more to make?

1083
00:51:56,307 --> 00:51:56,507
Speaker 26: Oh?

1084
00:51:57,307 --> 00:51:58,067
Speaker 6: I go in there?

1085
00:51:58,227 --> 00:52:00,187
Speaker 25: Oh yeah, yeah, the last one of course, the last one.

1086
00:52:00,227 --> 00:52:02,387
Speaker 25: How do you write there, Scott Robinson? I give them

1087
00:52:02,907 --> 00:52:04,747
Speaker 25: just because of that performance, and I didn't see Island.

1088
00:52:04,787 --> 00:52:07,907
Speaker 25: The performance against Island last week. Apparently that was impressive too.

1089
00:52:08,027 --> 00:52:09,547
Speaker 25: I think they go to the you know, they go

1090
00:52:09,627 --> 00:52:12,067
Speaker 25: to the beach this summer because you know, next week's

1091
00:52:12,067 --> 00:52:15,507
Speaker 25: foregone conclusion contended to what we can look forward to

1092
00:52:16,307 --> 00:52:18,747
Speaker 25: for next season. I think he's got something special under

1093
00:52:18,787 --> 00:52:19,267
Speaker 25: him here.

1094
00:52:19,747 --> 00:52:21,747
Speaker 3: Good Man Josey, I agree. I agree. I think I

1095
00:52:21,827 --> 00:52:24,547
Speaker 3: think the improvement and the All Blacks over the year

1096
00:52:24,707 --> 00:52:29,987
Speaker 3: has been very encouraging, very encouraging. Text here, perfect result.

1097
00:52:30,227 --> 00:52:32,147
Speaker 3: This will keep the All Blacks hungry over summer, the

1098
00:52:32,187 --> 00:52:34,387
Speaker 3: little rock under the beach down. Yeah, I think I

1099
00:52:34,467 --> 00:52:35,947
Speaker 3: think that's right. They'll look back at this as an

1100
00:52:35,947 --> 00:52:38,027
Speaker 3: opportunity lost. They will ian high.

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00:52:39,547 --> 00:52:42,667
Speaker 27: Hi, Bonnie, I bring you a couple of weeks ago

1102
00:52:42,947 --> 00:52:47,267
Speaker 27: about you know, when the York Blicks ended up beating

1103
00:52:47,387 --> 00:52:54,707
Speaker 27: England and Steve Borthwooks and his coaching side your team,

1104
00:52:55,627 --> 00:52:58,947
Speaker 27: you know, taking their playmaker off. I've got no doubt

1105
00:52:58,987 --> 00:53:01,747
Speaker 27: that England will have won the game. They just you know,

1106
00:53:02,587 --> 00:53:05,947
Speaker 27: the whole game just change changed in complexion, as it

1107
00:53:06,027 --> 00:53:10,827
Speaker 27: did this morning with the Orblitz when they took cam

1108
00:53:10,867 --> 00:53:13,747
Speaker 27: Oyd get off. In my opinion, I don't know whose

1109
00:53:13,827 --> 00:53:18,067
Speaker 27: decision it is, but I think it was just a

1110
00:53:18,227 --> 00:53:21,187
Speaker 27: crazy decision and why, just like it was in the

1111
00:53:21,227 --> 00:53:21,787
Speaker 27: England match.

1112
00:53:22,627 --> 00:53:24,547
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the old George Ford, bye, wasn't it

1113
00:53:24,587 --> 00:53:29,267
Speaker 3: When they brought George Ford on at that was and

1114
00:53:29,387 --> 00:53:31,627
Speaker 3: replaced was that Marcus Smith who was playing at first five,

1115
00:53:31,707 --> 00:53:36,147
Speaker 3: wasn't he? Yeah, And look we talked a lot about that.

1116
00:53:36,187 --> 00:53:38,867
Speaker 3: I remember your calling and I remember, yeah, And George

1117
00:53:38,907 --> 00:53:40,627
Speaker 3: Ford had a pretty unhappy sort of a time of

1118
00:53:40,667 --> 00:53:42,947
Speaker 3: things out there. He missed a tackle or two, he

1119
00:53:43,027 --> 00:53:46,307
Speaker 3: missed a couple of shots at goal. Yeah. I don't

1120
00:53:46,347 --> 00:53:49,907
Speaker 3: know whether this is akin to that, but I found

1121
00:53:49,947 --> 00:53:50,987
Speaker 3: it a curious decision.

1122
00:53:51,867 --> 00:53:54,187
Speaker 27: Yeah, it seems to me it could well be. I mean,

1123
00:53:54,587 --> 00:53:56,827
Speaker 27: what was it fifty three or fifty four minutes or

1124
00:53:56,867 --> 00:53:57,467
Speaker 27: some such thing.

1125
00:53:57,987 --> 00:54:00,947
Speaker 21: Yeah, that they dragged.

1126
00:54:02,107 --> 00:54:05,147
Speaker 27: Cam roy gat and he was having him, you know,

1127
00:54:05,467 --> 00:54:08,587
Speaker 27: in my opinion, pretty good game and all that sort

1128
00:54:08,587 --> 00:54:13,707
Speaker 27: of thing. And you could see that after that the

1129
00:54:13,867 --> 00:54:17,627
Speaker 27: whole game changed complexion, just like the England that stood.

1130
00:54:20,267 --> 00:54:22,067
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, no, no, this yeah, this and this

1131
00:54:22,227 --> 00:54:24,947
Speaker 3: was the opposite. This was the the inverse. I guess

1132
00:54:24,947 --> 00:54:26,507
Speaker 3: you say that. You know, it's a very good point

1133
00:54:26,547 --> 00:54:29,867
Speaker 3: you make. Again, we can we can scrutinize it now

1134
00:54:29,987 --> 00:54:33,987
Speaker 3: having seen the outcome. And look again it'll be it'll

1135
00:54:33,987 --> 00:54:35,867
Speaker 3: be a question. I'm sure the All Blacks coaching staff

1136
00:54:35,867 --> 00:54:38,507
Speaker 3: will ask themselves, did we make the right decision there?

1137
00:54:38,947 --> 00:54:41,067
Speaker 3: Yet no one makes a decision expecting it to be

1138
00:54:41,147 --> 00:54:44,747
Speaker 3: the wrong one, you know, any in any part of

1139
00:54:44,827 --> 00:54:47,787
Speaker 3: our lives. We all make decisions every single day, every

1140
00:54:47,827 --> 00:54:51,307
Speaker 3: single hour. We make decisions, probably and we never expect

1141
00:54:51,307 --> 00:54:52,667
Speaker 3: them to be the wrong ones. But we live and

1142
00:54:52,747 --> 00:54:55,027
Speaker 3: die by their outcomes, don't we Ian Good to chat

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Speaker 3: V Bang on twelve thirty talking all black Sappadahama. What's

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Speaker 3: on your mind?

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Speaker 28: Mate, Poney Piney Poney A few points, Bro. Firstly, a

1169
00:56:25,627 --> 00:56:29,827
Speaker 28: couple of things you're talking about. We're from the same town,

1170
00:56:29,907 --> 00:56:33,347
Speaker 28: Bro and cam Roy Gud should not have been hopped,

1171
00:56:35,267 --> 00:56:37,587
Speaker 28: you know. He's he's a worldier fellow and he was

1172
00:56:37,627 --> 00:56:40,747
Speaker 28: having a worldy Here's a hot take for your poney.

1173
00:56:41,667 --> 00:56:43,867
Speaker 28: If he stays healthy in ten years time, he'll be

1174
00:56:43,907 --> 00:56:45,067
Speaker 28: our greatest e a halfback.

1175
00:56:45,627 --> 00:56:47,147
Speaker 29: Wow, he's the full package.

1176
00:56:47,307 --> 00:56:50,587
Speaker 28: Here's the full package. And you know last season, this

1177
00:56:50,667 --> 00:56:53,987
Speaker 28: season the canesman once. Once they lost him, they weren't

1178
00:56:54,027 --> 00:56:58,347
Speaker 28: the same team. And he's just physical, got a good pass.

1179
00:56:58,507 --> 00:57:02,187
Speaker 28: He's just like those bloody legally forwards around the Rocks.

1180
00:57:02,267 --> 00:57:03,107
Speaker 30: He deals with them.

1181
00:57:03,907 --> 00:57:07,427
Speaker 28: His defense has left boot is our James Low. You

1182
00:57:07,467 --> 00:57:10,307
Speaker 28: know those are his clearance from the base, Ain't I

1183
00:57:10,347 --> 00:57:12,547
Speaker 28: ain't see anything like him, piny, that's my call.

1184
00:57:13,027 --> 00:57:16,067
Speaker 3: No, just before you go on to parda Humma, I

1185
00:57:16,267 --> 00:57:19,067
Speaker 3: think you're right because I can't remember a player with

1186
00:57:19,267 --> 00:57:23,427
Speaker 3: so little All Blacks experience having so much clamor around

1187
00:57:23,547 --> 00:57:26,427
Speaker 3: about his return as Cam roy guards had this year.

1188
00:57:26,667 --> 00:57:28,307
Speaker 3: You know, when he when he suffered that knee injury

1189
00:57:28,467 --> 00:57:30,867
Speaker 3: in Super Rugby and had that six month ree hab,

1190
00:57:31,267 --> 00:57:33,947
Speaker 3: there was just this Ween's cam back, when's cam back

1191
00:57:33,947 --> 00:57:36,027
Speaker 3: Wen's cap. He's only played about five Test matches at

1192
00:57:36,027 --> 00:57:39,267
Speaker 3: this point. You know he is a generational talent. I believe,

1193
00:57:39,467 --> 00:57:40,227
Speaker 3: I believe you're right.

1194
00:57:41,987 --> 00:57:43,747
Speaker 28: Yeah, in case twenty twenty five of his face fit

1195
00:57:45,067 --> 00:57:47,747
Speaker 28: the penalty is a hard one. A that I'm talking

1196
00:57:47,747 --> 00:57:51,667
Speaker 28: about that seventy fourth, seventy fifth minute one. Personally, you know,

1197
00:57:52,827 --> 00:57:55,867
Speaker 28: let's give credit to the French d once they sorted

1198
00:57:55,907 --> 00:58:00,107
Speaker 28: it out, once they started tackling Ardie, they were pretty

1199
00:58:00,147 --> 00:58:03,347
Speaker 28: impressive and we weren't getting through. So I get the

1200
00:58:03,467 --> 00:58:09,747
Speaker 28: mentality to take the But did we look like going ninety.

1201
00:58:09,667 --> 00:58:10,787
Speaker 11: In that last few minutes.

1202
00:58:10,867 --> 00:58:11,467
Speaker 25: No, we did not.

1203
00:58:12,827 --> 00:58:13,867
Speaker 22: And the.

1204
00:58:15,387 --> 00:58:18,947
Speaker 29: Kicking to the corner, taking a scrum whatever we needed.

1205
00:58:19,187 --> 00:58:21,947
Speaker 28: We needed five to get ahead, right, so that was

1206
00:58:22,307 --> 00:58:24,747
Speaker 28: our time. I don't think we were getting like we're

1207
00:58:24,747 --> 00:58:26,907
Speaker 28: sitting there on the couch. Of course we're not gas

1208
00:58:27,067 --> 00:58:29,307
Speaker 28: and we can do some deces analysis of how the

1209
00:58:29,347 --> 00:58:32,707
Speaker 28: game has been going. So you're back to the guys.

1210
00:58:32,787 --> 00:58:35,387
Speaker 28: But I think Raiser said on the telly that they're

1211
00:58:35,387 --> 00:58:37,107
Speaker 28: gonna have to talk about it, so I think he

1212
00:58:37,267 --> 00:58:41,667
Speaker 28: thinks it was probably the wrong call. Another thing, our

1213
00:58:41,827 --> 00:58:45,587
Speaker 28: last thing, actually give the other punches a go. The

1214
00:58:45,707 --> 00:58:49,787
Speaker 28: spotlight hucker is the greatest pre match. Last week in Ireland,

1215
00:58:49,827 --> 00:58:52,427
Speaker 28: they had some old quod or doing handshakes before the game.

1216
00:58:52,667 --> 00:58:55,787
Speaker 28: The spotlight haucker, the blue lights in the background. That

1217
00:58:55,947 --> 00:58:59,267
Speaker 28: was amazing and the French crowd was so quiet. Now

1218
00:58:59,347 --> 00:59:01,147
Speaker 28: that was cool, bro, I think, which maybe we should

1219
00:59:01,147 --> 00:59:02,827
Speaker 28: steal that and bring that cinger jelland.

1220
00:59:02,587 --> 00:59:07,187
Speaker 3: I reckon dear a great diet it as always, thanks

1221
00:59:07,227 --> 00:59:09,027
Speaker 3: for calling, and yeah, I thought the pre match was incredible.

1222
00:59:09,267 --> 00:59:12,307
Speaker 3: The way that France, the French crowd sang the anthem too,

1223
00:59:12,507 --> 00:59:15,987
Speaker 3: my god, spine tingling stuff. Yeah, and the respect for

1224
00:59:16,027 --> 00:59:18,467
Speaker 3: the hucker, I thought was really impressive and a great

1225
00:59:18,507 --> 00:59:19,947
Speaker 3: game to I've had it pointed out by a number

1226
00:59:19,947 --> 00:59:21,987
Speaker 3: of people that this was a great game of rugby,

1227
00:59:22,067 --> 00:59:24,387
Speaker 3: one of the better rugby tests we've had the opportunity

1228
00:59:24,427 --> 00:59:26,027
Speaker 3: to watch this year. If you don't have any skin

1229
00:59:26,107 --> 00:59:27,907
Speaker 3: in the game, you think that was a remarkable game

1230
00:59:27,947 --> 00:59:30,547
Speaker 3: of rugby. So we're just a bit annoyed because the

1231
00:59:30,587 --> 00:59:32,707
Speaker 3: All Blacks couldn't win it, but it was a terrific

1232
00:59:32,747 --> 00:59:35,627
Speaker 3: game of rugby. Nigel, thanks for holding how are you?

1233
00:59:37,107 --> 00:59:41,627
Speaker 15: Yeah, good afternoon, the young Jayson. Yeah, the national anthem,

1234
00:59:41,787 --> 00:59:43,987
Speaker 15: you know, because ours was sung first day and it

1235
00:59:44,107 --> 00:59:46,987
Speaker 15: was just one guy singing out what not and then

1236
00:59:47,027 --> 00:59:49,147
Speaker 15: when the French got into these, I thought it was

1237
00:59:49,187 --> 00:59:50,187
Speaker 15: a choir singing.

1238
00:59:51,027 --> 00:59:54,747
Speaker 3: It was the whole crowd a choir in the shape

1239
00:59:54,787 --> 00:59:55,667
Speaker 3: of a crowd noiser.

1240
00:59:55,747 --> 01:00:00,067
Speaker 15: It was incredible, Yeah it was, but yeah it was. Yeah.

1241
01:00:00,107 --> 01:00:04,027
Speaker 15: I knew there'll be hometown support, there'll be All Black

1242
01:00:04,107 --> 01:00:07,507
Speaker 15: supporters there, but that there'd be outnumbered by the French

1243
01:00:07,587 --> 01:00:14,707
Speaker 15: supporters doesn't surprise me. And hey, is that the best

1244
01:00:14,787 --> 01:00:19,147
Speaker 15: all Black game you've seen in twenty twenty four or Yeah.

1245
01:00:18,987 --> 01:00:20,947
Speaker 3: That's a very good question, Nigel. I was actually thinking

1246
01:00:21,027 --> 01:00:24,227
Speaker 3: that same thing today before we came on the air.

1247
01:00:24,267 --> 01:00:27,427
Speaker 3: I'm looking back and thinking of the impressive performances by

1248
01:00:27,467 --> 01:00:30,747
Speaker 3: the All Blacks and I think, were you asking me

1249
01:00:30,787 --> 01:00:32,547
Speaker 3: if that's the best All Blacks performance or is that

1250
01:00:32,627 --> 01:00:35,347
Speaker 3: the best Test match involving the All Blacks of the year.

1251
01:00:36,787 --> 01:00:38,947
Speaker 15: You're the best All Black game you've seen this year?

1252
01:00:39,387 --> 01:00:39,787
Speaker 30: I think it is.

1253
01:00:40,347 --> 01:00:41,667
Speaker 3: I think it is. Is it yours?

1254
01:00:41,907 --> 01:00:46,107
Speaker 15: Yep? Better than the game against England or Ireland?

1255
01:00:46,627 --> 01:00:46,827
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1256
01:00:46,867 --> 01:00:48,947
Speaker 3: I agree. I think I think both of the previous

1257
01:00:48,987 --> 01:00:52,067
Speaker 3: two test matches were good test matches. I think Ireland

1258
01:00:52,387 --> 01:00:54,427
Speaker 3: weren't great in the last twenty minutes last week, so

1259
01:00:54,507 --> 01:00:56,387
Speaker 3: that kind of almost detracted a bit from the spectacle

1260
01:00:56,427 --> 01:00:57,907
Speaker 3: of the game. I guess if you weren't an All

1261
01:00:57,907 --> 01:00:59,747
Speaker 3: Blacks fan, if you're a neutral Nige or you look

1262
01:00:59,747 --> 01:01:02,027
Speaker 3: at the game and say, really good test match, one

1263
01:01:02,107 --> 01:01:04,267
Speaker 3: point win, didn't really know who was going to win,

1264
01:01:04,707 --> 01:01:06,507
Speaker 3: lead changes here and there, a bit of you know,

1265
01:01:06,587 --> 01:01:11,267
Speaker 3: a bit of controversy. It was a terrific occasion. Yeah,

1266
01:01:11,467 --> 01:01:13,307
Speaker 3: I think it was. It was a really good test match,

1267
01:01:14,947 --> 01:01:15,347
Speaker 3: very good.

1268
01:01:15,667 --> 01:01:20,307
Speaker 15: And that young fella, that schoolboy at Riddens Up come

1269
01:01:20,387 --> 01:01:22,947
Speaker 15: over from Ozzie. How old do you reckon he is?

1270
01:01:23,627 --> 01:01:23,947
Speaker 26: I don't know.

1271
01:01:24,187 --> 01:01:28,187
Speaker 3: He's good, Nigel, but he puts a lot of our

1272
01:01:28,227 --> 01:01:30,747
Speaker 3: older callers to shame. Not you made, of course, but

1273
01:01:31,027 --> 01:01:32,947
Speaker 3: he puts a lot of He puts a lot of

1274
01:01:32,987 --> 01:01:36,027
Speaker 3: our other listeners in the shade yea Christopher. I don't

1275
01:01:36,027 --> 01:01:37,987
Speaker 3: know how old he is, but he is a welcome

1276
01:01:38,027 --> 01:01:39,387
Speaker 3: addition to the show, that's for sure.

1277
01:01:40,267 --> 01:01:41,827
Speaker 15: He knows what he's talking about, doesn't he.

1278
01:01:42,267 --> 01:01:44,867
Speaker 3: We maybe a few of us can learn from it.

1279
01:01:44,987 --> 01:01:47,467
Speaker 3: Nigel again, not you mate, You've made some very good points.

1280
01:01:47,667 --> 01:01:49,987
Speaker 3: Thanks for calling in. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten

1281
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Speaker 3: eighty steady on with the Wellington claim of ownership on

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Speaker 3: cam Royguard says Stephen. They're putting a lynch mob together

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Speaker 3: in Woyuku at this very moment. Thank you very much, Stephen. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: like I'll claim I'll claim Cam Royguard all day long.

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Speaker 3: I know he's not a Wellington boys from the White

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Speaker 3: Couple originally isn't the place for counties, but yeah, I'll

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Speaker 3: claim him was a Wellingtonian. Markhi.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, once a hurricane is a hurricane, absolutely right, even

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Speaker 11: is a hurricane, don't we I.

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Speaker 3: Wonder whether that ship might of south But you know

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Speaker 3: what you say.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I thought cam Rougan played better than the best

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Speaker 11: player in the world today in the first half.

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Speaker 18: I thought he was outstanding.

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Speaker 11: It was probably one of the highlights.

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Speaker 18: I thought.

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Speaker 11: Arlie looked fantastic, went on the wing with his deft feet.

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Speaker 11: He just didn't look out of place here. He looks

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Speaker 11: a lot better than some of the hokers. Cody Taylor

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Speaker 11: when he.

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Speaker 18: Thought he was outstanding in the first half, Peter Ye

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Speaker 18: was like, I was good. I think the negatives. For me,

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Speaker 18: it's stupid rule that the enforced in the last two

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Speaker 18: or three weeks with the kick up an under. But

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Speaker 18: to me, the rough side, I mean the whole game,

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01:03:00,747 --> 01:03:04,987
Speaker 18: the French are off side and then stifles it stifles

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Speaker 18: the stone and that's all these sort of sideline rest

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Speaker 18: and video rest interfere with these bizarre calls, and yet

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01:03:13,467 --> 01:03:16,427
Speaker 18: they don't. They don't keep the sides back, and I

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Speaker 18: mean they're up inside the background before they eat the

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01:03:19,827 --> 01:03:22,267
Speaker 18: balls rides and then it's just they didn't ping it

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Speaker 18: until the second half where they gave three off sides

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Speaker 18: in a row. But I thought they'd just spend the

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Speaker 18: whole game off side from these things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they were penalized more than us. I think it's

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Speaker 3: thirteen nineers to count. The point you make mark about

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Speaker 3: that that rule that they seem to be enforcing about.

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Speaker 3: So when there's a kickchase and players are supposedly obstructing

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01:03:43,547 --> 01:03:46,707
Speaker 3: or impeding the chases as the ball comes down to

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01:03:46,907 --> 01:03:50,547
Speaker 3: be caught by the players, So Cody Taylor got penalized

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01:03:50,547 --> 01:03:54,267
Speaker 3: for it today, what is what is Cody Taylor supposed

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Speaker 3: to do in that situation?

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Speaker 11: I think I think they want.

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01:03:57,507 --> 01:03:59,867
Speaker 18: All the players to run off to the sideline and

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Speaker 18: just went to the balls. It's just things go out.

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Speaker 31: To referees, obviously from up high, and then the referees

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Speaker 31: just feel like they have to enforce them and it

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Speaker 31: becomes I think Tony Johnson said it was absurd and

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Speaker 31: I just still vents in circle and that that costs

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Speaker 31: the all blacks, you know, three points on that and

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01:04:21,747 --> 01:04:24,187
Speaker 31: a lot of pressure that could have resulted in a try.

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Speaker 18: And I mean those sting I mean I think.

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Speaker 11: Have done that.

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Speaker 18: But for me, that then off side. I'd love to

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Speaker 18: see a ruler across the field and see how many

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01:04:35,627 --> 01:04:38,667
Speaker 18: times these sides are actually offside because it is stifling

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Speaker 18: the game.

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Speaker 3: Really yeah that No, it's making it hard for space

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01:04:42,307 --> 01:04:43,867
Speaker 3: to be found in the back line, mark for sure.

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Speaker 3: Just back to that other one. I understand the rationale

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01:04:47,587 --> 01:04:50,107
Speaker 3: of the rule, which is they want contested kicks. So

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Speaker 3: if you if you kick a ball forward and you've

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01:04:53,067 --> 01:04:55,587
Speaker 3: got your you've got your chases after it, you want

1344
01:04:55,667 --> 01:05:00,587
Speaker 3: that to be contestable ball. But but like I say,

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01:05:00,667 --> 01:05:03,867
Speaker 3: it is natural for a player on the other team

1346
01:05:04,027 --> 01:05:06,307
Speaker 3: running back to supporter's mate who's under it waiting to

1347
01:05:06,467 --> 01:05:10,387
Speaker 3: catch it, to run towards the ball carrier or sorry

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01:05:10,427 --> 01:05:14,587
Speaker 3: that the potential catcher. What is, from the way I

1349
01:05:14,707 --> 01:05:17,347
Speaker 3: read it, what you're supposed to do under this new

1350
01:05:17,467 --> 01:05:19,947
Speaker 3: rule is run back in a straight line rather than

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01:05:19,987 --> 01:05:24,147
Speaker 3: a diagonal line. But it is absolutely natural to run

1352
01:05:24,267 --> 01:05:27,227
Speaker 3: straight towards where the ball will land to wrap around

1353
01:05:27,227 --> 01:05:30,307
Speaker 3: your mate to help him out. I watched Cody Taylor

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01:05:30,347 --> 01:05:33,027
Speaker 3: this morning. He had eyes on nothing other than was

1355
01:05:33,067 --> 01:05:35,507
Speaker 3: it will Jordan or bone and Barrett doesn't matter catching

1356
01:05:35,587 --> 01:05:39,627
Speaker 3: the ball and the French Christ just run into him

1357
01:05:39,907 --> 01:05:44,187
Speaker 3: and Cody Taylor gets penalized for that. I don't understand.

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Speaker 3: I do not understand. Thanks Mark, Hey, Bruce, Yeah you

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Speaker 3: go mate.

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Speaker 32: Yeah, that was one monumental test this morning, mate, and

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01:05:52,827 --> 01:05:56,427
Speaker 32: a light obviously gathered by the result, but in terms

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01:05:56,467 --> 01:06:02,187
Speaker 32: of a game, was fantastic. But man, like I mean,

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01:06:02,267 --> 01:06:05,867
Speaker 32: I hate, always hate the All Blacks losing, being a

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01:06:05,947 --> 01:06:11,387
Speaker 32: massive Blacks fan, but the I'm really excited about the team.

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01:06:12,187 --> 01:06:16,067
Speaker 32: And you mentioned about cam Royguard being a generational talent,

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01:06:16,147 --> 01:06:19,067
Speaker 32: which I believe he is. But I also think we've

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Speaker 32: got guys like Peter Larkeye and Wallace a Titi, which

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01:06:24,107 --> 01:06:28,467
Speaker 32: you can put in that same bracket. And yeah, I

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01:06:28,867 --> 01:06:32,627
Speaker 32: just think that, Like you know, I hate the All

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01:06:32,627 --> 01:06:35,547
Speaker 32: Blacks losing, but I just think in terms of the

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01:06:35,867 --> 01:06:40,427
Speaker 32: potential moving forward over the next few years, I'm just

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01:06:40,587 --> 01:06:44,187
Speaker 32: ready for the team to explode. So yeah, I just

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01:06:44,267 --> 01:06:46,747
Speaker 32: got nothing but excitement for this team.

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Speaker 3: I love that Bruce, and I sare you of you

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01:06:49,467 --> 01:06:52,227
Speaker 3: have just written down here here Larkye imagine a loose

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01:06:52,307 --> 01:06:56,027
Speaker 3: trio which includes Larkye and s Tti presumably like Eye

1377
01:06:56,107 --> 01:06:58,067
Speaker 3: on the open side, Tatti is probably going to play

1378
01:06:58,147 --> 01:07:01,107
Speaker 3: number eight moving forward, and then Roy Guard. I'm clearing

1379
01:07:01,147 --> 01:07:04,067
Speaker 3: from the base of that scrum, larkays Titi Royguard, add

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Speaker 3: two Paul Vai into there, who's had a really good scene,

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01:07:06,507 --> 01:07:09,627
Speaker 3: and we'll only grow as time goes on. I think

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01:07:09,627 --> 01:07:11,427
Speaker 3: you're right. I think this team's got the makings of

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01:07:11,507 --> 01:07:14,827
Speaker 3: a really exciting All Blacks team for the next World

1384
01:07:14,867 --> 01:07:15,387
Speaker 3: Cup cycle.

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01:07:16,307 --> 01:07:16,507
Speaker 26: Yeah.

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Speaker 32: Absolutely, And I also have high wraps on like Fabian

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01:07:20,547 --> 01:07:23,347
Speaker 32: holand he's still got to come in up to the site,

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01:07:23,507 --> 01:07:29,027
Speaker 32: you know, in terms of the locking area, and Reuben

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01:07:29,147 --> 01:07:32,027
Speaker 32: Love in the background, who's yet to sort of establish

1390
01:07:32,107 --> 01:07:35,787
Speaker 32: his mark. So yeah, I honestly do think that we

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01:07:36,227 --> 01:07:40,587
Speaker 32: are on the cusp of something great, but sort of

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01:07:40,707 --> 01:07:44,187
Speaker 32: just haven't quite got there just yet. So sort of

1393
01:07:44,187 --> 01:07:47,947
Speaker 32: a bit frustrated, but man, just like I have nothing

1394
01:07:48,027 --> 01:07:49,547
Speaker 32: but excitement for the team.

1395
01:07:50,187 --> 01:07:52,627
Speaker 3: Very measured comments, Bruce, un Like you, I had it

1396
01:07:52,667 --> 01:07:54,307
Speaker 3: when we lose. I want the All Blacks to winever

1397
01:07:54,347 --> 01:07:56,707
Speaker 3: a single test match, but like you know, you're able

1398
01:07:56,747 --> 01:07:58,387
Speaker 3: to hover above that, look down and say, hey, this

1399
01:07:58,507 --> 01:08:00,547
Speaker 3: is the makings of a really exciting team at the

1400
01:08:00,627 --> 01:08:03,107
Speaker 3: start of a World Cup cycle. Let's not forget that,

1401
01:08:03,227 --> 01:08:05,147
Speaker 3: you know, this is the first year of a new

1402
01:08:05,187 --> 01:08:08,707
Speaker 3: World Cup cycle and the development of players like Setti,

1403
01:08:09,547 --> 01:08:12,907
Speaker 3: Roy Guard Lakey, who's only really just arrived via We'll

1404
01:08:12,947 --> 01:08:14,787
Speaker 3: get to the chance to see Ruben Love I'm sure

1405
01:08:14,827 --> 01:08:17,027
Speaker 3: next week. Billy Procter, who's gone home of course to

1406
01:08:17,107 --> 01:08:18,987
Speaker 3: be with his partner for the birth of their child,

1407
01:08:19,067 --> 01:08:21,947
Speaker 3: but as another guy who's going to be involved moving forward.

1408
01:08:21,987 --> 01:08:24,867
Speaker 3: And then you start thinking about Latimer and Hoth, them

1409
01:08:25,147 --> 01:08:28,707
Speaker 3: as the backup half backs moving forward, and other players

1410
01:08:28,747 --> 01:08:31,867
Speaker 3: who we've seen a little bit of but not a

1411
01:08:31,987 --> 01:08:34,347
Speaker 3: huge amount of this year. Sam Dowry is another one.

1412
01:08:34,467 --> 01:08:36,987
Speaker 3: Fabian Holland. You mentioned Bruce, who's I think joined the

1413
01:08:37,067 --> 01:08:39,507
Speaker 3: team I think as eligibility, as is the issue with

1414
01:08:39,547 --> 01:08:42,907
Speaker 3: Fabian Holland, but that will be sorted soon. There is

1415
01:08:42,987 --> 01:08:45,347
Speaker 3: a lot to like about this All Blacks side in

1416
01:08:45,427 --> 01:08:48,107
Speaker 3: terms of the bones of the squad moving forward, and

1417
01:08:48,147 --> 01:08:51,507
Speaker 3: we're only in twenty twenty four, seventeen and a half

1418
01:08:51,627 --> 01:08:54,827
Speaker 3: to one James Dean Please there's not one person James

1419
01:08:54,867 --> 01:08:57,147
Speaker 3: and Dean, please hold that with you after this on

1420
01:08:57,227 --> 01:08:58,987
Speaker 3: Weekend Sport the.

1421
01:08:59,187 --> 01:09:02,867
Speaker 1: Voice of Sport on your Home of Sport Weekends, Ford

1422
01:09:02,987 --> 01:09:08,347
Speaker 1: with Jason Hym and GJ Gunnos, New Zealand's trusted oh Builders.

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01:09:09,187 --> 01:09:11,947
Speaker 4: Left of midfield back for Bodhen Barrett now Rico yo

1424
01:09:11,987 --> 01:09:14,227
Speaker 4: Wani's sop hands for Luckheim.

1425
01:09:13,987 --> 01:09:16,707
Speaker 9: Through the past, threw it to the Prince player kick down.

1426
01:09:16,667 --> 01:09:23,667
Speaker 6: Pills, chasing after it, black pressure are water and Buck

1427
01:09:23,747 --> 01:09:25,107
Speaker 6: in the right coming in.

1428
01:09:25,387 --> 01:09:32,547
Speaker 4: The trot twenty two All Black seventeen Missy ball from

1429
01:09:32,587 --> 01:09:32,947
Speaker 4: the All.

1430
01:09:32,947 --> 01:09:37,067
Speaker 6: Blacks picked their head by France and the All Blacks

1431
01:09:37,107 --> 01:09:41,027
Speaker 6: find themselves down by five for that kicks it hunt.

1432
01:09:41,147 --> 01:09:43,307
Speaker 3: Yeah, but of a turning point, that one five minutes

1433
01:09:43,307 --> 01:09:46,107
Speaker 3: into the second half, France scoring a converted try to

1434
01:09:46,187 --> 01:09:49,267
Speaker 3: go twenty four to seventeen ahead. From that point they

1435
01:09:49,387 --> 01:09:51,827
Speaker 3: were never behind in the game. James, thanks for holding

1436
01:09:51,907 --> 01:09:53,987
Speaker 3: make good afternoon here you get.

1437
01:09:53,947 --> 01:09:56,667
Speaker 8: Asking you and Jason Hey, thanks for well having me

1438
01:09:56,747 --> 01:09:59,587
Speaker 8: on the show. I haven't been listening to all the comments,

1439
01:09:59,627 --> 01:10:02,107
Speaker 8: so I've just heard the more recent ones and everyone

1440
01:10:02,147 --> 01:10:04,427
Speaker 8: seems to be fizzing about the game, which it was

1441
01:10:04,467 --> 01:10:07,747
Speaker 8: a great game of rugby, the best game we've seen

1442
01:10:07,787 --> 01:10:10,067
Speaker 8: from the All Blacks this year. But the reason for

1443
01:10:10,227 --> 01:10:13,987
Speaker 8: it is a distinctive change in tactics, and that is

1444
01:10:14,227 --> 01:10:17,427
Speaker 8: we're not kicking the ball those high stupid balls, low

1445
01:10:17,507 --> 01:10:21,067
Speaker 8: percentage balls over straight to the opposition and giving the

1446
01:10:21,107 --> 01:10:25,187
Speaker 8: position away. That's a strategy. It's a very low percentage strategy.

1447
01:10:25,667 --> 01:10:29,147
Speaker 8: And you know, I didn't see Roguard do it once.

1448
01:10:30,067 --> 01:10:33,027
Speaker 8: Radama did when he came on. But keeping the ball

1449
01:10:33,107 --> 01:10:35,867
Speaker 8: in hand, we've gone back to our traditional type of

1450
01:10:35,947 --> 01:10:39,627
Speaker 8: style support play, and they just looked and made such

1451
01:10:40,147 --> 01:10:41,387
Speaker 8: a difference to our game.

1452
01:10:41,907 --> 01:10:44,427
Speaker 3: Great point, James, You're right. Hadn't even occurred to me,

1453
01:10:44,507 --> 01:10:46,907
Speaker 3: But you're so right. Yeah, Rogar didn't box kick one

1454
01:10:46,987 --> 01:10:49,667
Speaker 3: study No, no, radom I.

1455
01:10:49,667 --> 01:10:52,027
Speaker 8: Did as soon as he came on. But Roygard's play

1456
01:10:52,187 --> 01:10:54,667
Speaker 8: was exceptional. Okay, they shouldn't have probably changed it, but

1457
01:10:54,787 --> 01:10:57,387
Speaker 8: that's hindsight. Radam has played some very good drugmy in

1458
01:10:57,427 --> 01:11:01,707
Speaker 8: the past as well, but Royguard is an exceptional talent

1459
01:11:02,267 --> 01:11:06,347
Speaker 8: out of the Whitecaddow. The But just watching the whole

1460
01:11:06,547 --> 01:11:08,707
Speaker 8: the whole game every and so like we lost by

1461
01:11:08,747 --> 01:11:12,107
Speaker 8: a point, we could have won a few referee decisions. Okay, look,

1462
01:11:12,227 --> 01:11:15,867
Speaker 8: but it made us far more interested in watching rugby

1463
01:11:16,587 --> 01:11:21,027
Speaker 8: farther game to watch alas we talked about with this

1464
01:11:21,227 --> 01:11:23,467
Speaker 8: kick and hope and that's all that, all that kicking is.

1465
01:11:23,587 --> 01:11:26,387
Speaker 8: It's a hope strategy, and hope is not a strategy.

1466
01:11:26,587 --> 01:11:29,187
Speaker 8: Had some very low sense play and we've done that

1467
01:11:29,307 --> 01:11:32,667
Speaker 8: for several years now, and we looked, we've just become

1468
01:11:32,707 --> 01:11:35,107
Speaker 8: one of the other teams, and so we've just amalgamated

1469
01:11:35,147 --> 01:11:35,387
Speaker 8: with them.

1470
01:11:35,587 --> 01:11:37,387
Speaker 18: We've become ordinary with this.

1471
01:11:37,667 --> 01:11:40,227
Speaker 8: Style of rugby. We can differentiate ourselves.

1472
01:11:41,467 --> 01:11:44,627
Speaker 3: That's another great another great line. Hope is not a strategy.

1473
01:11:44,947 --> 01:11:47,827
Speaker 3: That's terrific. I love that. James, the previous caller, talked

1474
01:11:47,827 --> 01:11:50,907
Speaker 3: about an optimism as we look ahead. Do you share that?

1475
01:11:52,067 --> 01:11:52,267
Speaker 17: Yes?

1476
01:11:52,347 --> 01:11:52,547
Speaker 11: I do.

1477
01:11:52,947 --> 01:11:54,547
Speaker 8: You have a look at the players, like a few

1478
01:11:54,627 --> 01:11:57,147
Speaker 8: players come in Satiti and it's like I've come in.

1479
01:11:57,507 --> 01:11:59,667
Speaker 8: But basically we've had the same team that all of

1480
01:11:59,707 --> 01:12:02,867
Speaker 8: a sudden we've changed. It's the same team and these

1481
01:12:02,907 --> 01:12:05,667
Speaker 8: guys are starting to stand up again, will stand out. Now,

1482
01:12:06,427 --> 01:12:09,267
Speaker 8: forget you some really good talent there, but as long

1483
01:12:09,307 --> 01:12:12,347
Speaker 8: as you play the right strategy, that's all. And then

1484
01:12:12,387 --> 01:12:14,227
Speaker 8: you look at that. When's the last time you've seen

1485
01:12:14,227 --> 01:12:16,427
Speaker 8: a half that kicks the corner like that? Before I

1486
01:12:16,507 --> 01:12:18,747
Speaker 8: go whinn he gain put the twenty ball into their

1487
01:12:18,787 --> 01:12:19,227
Speaker 8: twenty two.

1488
01:12:19,747 --> 01:12:20,547
Speaker 30: We're not doing that.

1489
01:12:21,587 --> 01:12:24,627
Speaker 8: Boden Barrack kicked a cross field at one stage to

1490
01:12:25,147 --> 01:12:29,307
Speaker 8: our right wing and that's a very low percentage shot

1491
01:12:29,627 --> 01:12:31,627
Speaker 8: that could have gone the other way the foondured got

1492
01:12:31,627 --> 01:12:34,867
Speaker 8: it'd have been scoring at the other end. You can't

1493
01:12:34,987 --> 01:12:36,867
Speaker 8: play low percentage rugby at Test level.

1494
01:12:38,587 --> 01:12:40,667
Speaker 3: Such good thoughts, James, please call it again, mate, I've

1495
01:12:40,747 --> 01:12:42,307
Speaker 3: enjoyed our chat. I've just got to get to Dean,

1496
01:12:42,387 --> 01:12:44,667
Speaker 3: but thank you mate for that. I've written that down

1497
01:12:44,667 --> 01:12:46,667
Speaker 3: as well. Hope is not a strategy.

1498
01:12:47,907 --> 01:12:48,027
Speaker 26: Now.

1499
01:12:48,107 --> 01:12:50,907
Speaker 3: I think that transitions across all parts of life as well. James,

1500
01:12:51,187 --> 01:12:52,347
Speaker 3: love it, mate, Hi Dean.

1501
01:12:53,307 --> 01:12:57,627
Speaker 33: Hey mate, A great test pointing to your observations. And

1502
01:12:57,747 --> 01:12:59,507
Speaker 33: it was a great test to find some things out

1503
01:12:59,867 --> 01:13:04,587
Speaker 33: about a few players by for me, a really cunning

1504
01:13:04,627 --> 01:13:07,467
Speaker 33: of him for his best test of the year. And

1505
01:13:07,587 --> 01:13:09,627
Speaker 33: i've sort of, you know, we've wondered about whether he'd

1506
01:13:09,627 --> 01:13:11,387
Speaker 33: be able to step up. I thought had a tremendous game.

1507
01:13:12,867 --> 01:13:16,667
Speaker 33: Peter Larkeye didn't look out of place for playing most

1508
01:13:16,707 --> 01:13:19,147
Speaker 33: of the full game, and I thought that was really

1509
01:13:19,267 --> 01:13:23,027
Speaker 33: encouraging because I'm not convinced that Ethan Blackout has got

1510
01:13:23,067 --> 01:13:26,347
Speaker 33: the durability. And you just look at the Larkye and

1511
01:13:26,387 --> 01:13:30,467
Speaker 33: all his potential. That's pretty exciting. I think we missed

1512
01:13:30,867 --> 01:13:35,027
Speaker 33: Mark Talley a big time and I really felt Savories

1513
01:13:35,227 --> 01:13:38,507
Speaker 33: was he was lacking today. He was really out of

1514
01:13:38,547 --> 01:13:41,987
Speaker 33: his depth, short of pace, and it was really shown

1515
01:13:42,067 --> 01:13:45,067
Speaker 33: up when they scored their try. And he's not the

1516
01:13:45,107 --> 01:13:47,507
Speaker 33: aerial player that we need in the wings. We're going

1517
01:13:47,587 --> 01:13:50,307
Speaker 33: to have to find someone to do, you know, to

1518
01:13:50,427 --> 01:13:52,587
Speaker 33: do that job, and eventually these other guys aren't there.

1519
01:13:52,627 --> 01:13:55,387
Speaker 33: And I wondered about this young Crusader's guy, the Fijamble.

1520
01:13:55,507 --> 01:13:59,427
Speaker 33: It's been caught up into the squad that was in

1521
01:13:59,507 --> 01:14:03,667
Speaker 33: the fifteen. He's super quick and I think he might

1522
01:14:03,747 --> 01:14:05,667
Speaker 33: have a big future as well if he's given a chance.

1523
01:14:05,747 --> 01:14:08,627
Speaker 33: But you look at the young guys like Tomkey Williams,

1524
01:14:08,707 --> 01:14:13,027
Speaker 33: he's stepped up massively, So Titi's been fantastic. So there's

1525
01:14:13,027 --> 01:14:14,107
Speaker 33: a lot to get excited about.

1526
01:14:14,667 --> 01:14:16,787
Speaker 3: Indeed, you're talking about Schaffee hockey, I think are you

1527
01:14:16,827 --> 01:14:18,347
Speaker 3: talking about as the hockey.

1528
01:14:18,467 --> 01:14:21,827
Speaker 33: Yeah, Yeah, that's he's super fast and he's he's a

1529
01:14:21,867 --> 01:14:24,507
Speaker 33: guy that plays full back and wing, and that seems

1530
01:14:24,547 --> 01:14:26,627
Speaker 33: to be the trend these days. Guys are good aerially

1531
01:14:27,387 --> 01:14:30,387
Speaker 33: that can play those roles and they sort of form a,

1532
01:14:30,467 --> 01:14:32,147
Speaker 33: you know, a really good back three when they need to.

1533
01:14:33,227 --> 01:14:35,467
Speaker 3: It's interesting with Sev Reese, isn't it. You're right he

1534
01:14:36,067 --> 01:14:38,347
Speaker 3: didn't play against England or Island, but he played the

1535
01:14:38,467 --> 01:14:41,467
Speaker 3: four Tests before that on the on the right wing.

1536
01:14:41,547 --> 01:14:44,947
Speaker 3: He played South Africa and Cape Town, Australia, both Tests

1537
01:14:45,107 --> 01:14:48,867
Speaker 3: in Sydney and Wellington, and the game against Japan and Yokohama,

1538
01:14:48,947 --> 01:14:50,627
Speaker 3: so he almost had a bit of a he had

1539
01:14:50,627 --> 01:14:52,827
Speaker 3: a bit of a hold on that jersey. But yeah,

1540
01:14:52,827 --> 01:14:55,707
Speaker 3: I think Mark Talaya, who by his own admission probably

1541
01:14:55,747 --> 01:14:57,787
Speaker 3: had a quiet start to the year, was very good

1542
01:14:57,827 --> 01:15:00,267
Speaker 3: against England and Ireland on that right wing, and but

1543
01:15:00,387 --> 01:15:01,867
Speaker 3: for injury, I think would have played this morning.

1544
01:15:02,827 --> 01:15:06,307
Speaker 33: Yeah, Reese looked to me really out of it today.

1545
01:15:06,387 --> 01:15:08,187
Speaker 33: I think he was probably the weak link that got

1546
01:15:08,227 --> 01:15:10,347
Speaker 33: found out, and you've got to find those things out

1547
01:15:10,387 --> 01:15:13,067
Speaker 33: in big games, and I think him, look, he may

1548
01:15:13,107 --> 01:15:15,587
Speaker 33: have played his last big Test. You know, he was

1549
01:15:15,667 --> 01:15:17,787
Speaker 33: certainly sort of paced. He looked so slow running back.

1550
01:15:18,627 --> 01:15:20,467
Speaker 33: But you know, we got Zil come back next year

1551
01:15:20,467 --> 01:15:22,867
Speaker 33: and it's exciting too. So I think things are building

1552
01:15:22,907 --> 01:15:24,347
Speaker 33: and the right and the right you know, in the

1553
01:15:24,427 --> 01:15:26,587
Speaker 33: right area. So so what to look forward to?

1554
01:15:27,027 --> 01:15:29,227
Speaker 3: Indie good stuff, Dan, thanks again mate for calling in.

1555
01:15:29,547 --> 01:15:31,187
Speaker 3: Do you have had some good calls this hour, some

1556
01:15:31,307 --> 01:15:33,147
Speaker 3: really good ones. I think we'll keep the conversation open

1557
01:15:33,187 --> 01:15:34,827
Speaker 3: after one o'clock. If this is going to be the

1558
01:15:34,947 --> 01:15:37,347
Speaker 3: nature of the conversation that we're going to get seven

1559
01:15:37,387 --> 01:15:43,707
Speaker 3: and a half away from one, us talks Ebo.

1560
01:15:41,587 --> 01:15:44,307
Speaker 1: From the drag fields and the court on your home

1561
01:15:44,347 --> 01:15:48,627
Speaker 1: of sort weekends for it with Jason talkb.

1562
01:15:48,907 --> 01:15:50,227
Speaker 3: Just on four and a half away from one. We'll

1563
01:15:50,227 --> 01:15:53,147
Speaker 3: open the lines again after one o'clock. We had Jason

1564
01:15:53,227 --> 01:15:55,427
Speaker 3: Holland on about an hour or so ago. I asked

1565
01:15:55,467 --> 01:15:59,747
Speaker 3: him about the decision to withdraw cam roy Guard after

1566
01:16:00,387 --> 01:16:02,787
Speaker 3: just five or seven minutes in the second half.

1567
01:16:03,067 --> 01:16:06,107
Speaker 16: Oh, look she was she was a quick game out

1568
01:16:06,107 --> 01:16:08,787
Speaker 16: of the here, and the Nines are covering some massive meters.

1569
01:16:08,867 --> 01:16:12,387
Speaker 16: And when we know what Cortes can give us, he

1570
01:16:12,627 --> 01:16:14,187
Speaker 16: come can come on and speed the game up. And

1571
01:16:14,947 --> 01:16:16,827
Speaker 16: I think of that little bit ken was good and

1572
01:16:17,907 --> 01:16:20,387
Speaker 16: fifty fifty year whatever it was, fifty two or fifty

1573
01:16:20,427 --> 01:16:23,347
Speaker 16: three minutes and nine's a you know, a new nine

1574
01:16:23,387 --> 01:16:26,747
Speaker 16: as a real freshener for the team. So you know

1575
01:16:26,867 --> 01:16:28,187
Speaker 16: that was that someone set there.

1576
01:16:28,347 --> 01:16:33,267
Speaker 3: That's cam Roygard's substitution explanation from Jason Holland. After one

1577
01:16:33,267 --> 01:16:36,387
Speaker 3: o'clock we'll hear from head coach Scott Robertson. Also Elliott

1578
01:16:36,427 --> 01:16:38,827
Speaker 3: Smith's had a chap to cam Royguard as well to

1579
01:16:38,907 --> 01:16:42,187
Speaker 3: get his thoughts. Dear says Pine. He just loved the continuity.

1580
01:16:42,427 --> 01:16:44,467
Speaker 3: All Blacks have made massive strikes this year. Assuming they

1581
01:16:44,507 --> 01:16:46,627
Speaker 3: win next week, they finished the year with a seventy

1582
01:16:46,707 --> 01:16:49,027
Speaker 3: one percent win rate, playing England three times, the box

1583
01:16:49,107 --> 01:16:51,507
Speaker 3: away twice, Ireland and France away. We're going in the

1584
01:16:51,587 --> 01:16:53,907
Speaker 3: right direction under Razor. Given the cattle that we have

1585
01:16:54,107 --> 01:16:56,987
Speaker 3: only one or two probably make a World fifteen interesting.

1586
01:16:57,067 --> 01:16:59,387
Speaker 3: There's thanks for your text. More after one o'clock.

1587
01:17:01,027 --> 01:17:03,907
Speaker 1: It's the only place to discuss the biggest fourse issues

1588
01:17:04,067 --> 01:17:07,507
Speaker 1: on and after fields, it's all on wij.

1589
01:17:07,467 --> 01:17:12,587
Speaker 2: S Ford with Jason bade On your home of Sport UK.

1590
01:17:14,267 --> 01:17:16,787
Speaker 3: Hello and welcome in or welcome back, as the case.

1591
01:17:16,867 --> 01:17:19,747
Speaker 3: May be it's one o seven. I'm Jason Pine. We're

1592
01:17:19,747 --> 01:17:22,787
Speaker 3: talking rugby for the next half hour or so, maybe

1593
01:17:22,787 --> 01:17:25,227
Speaker 3: a bit longer. James mcconey is on the show and

1594
01:17:25,267 --> 01:17:28,827
Speaker 3: his regular slot around one forty five. Between now and then,

1595
01:17:28,947 --> 01:17:30,907
Speaker 3: going to hear the thoughts of All black Head coach

1596
01:17:30,947 --> 01:17:35,587
Speaker 3: Scott Robertson. Also cam roygart on his birthday. A test

1597
01:17:35,667 --> 01:17:38,267
Speaker 3: match on his birthday a try but was he withdrawn

1598
01:17:38,387 --> 01:17:42,627
Speaker 3: too soon? You might have some views on that or

1599
01:17:42,747 --> 01:17:46,107
Speaker 3: on anything that stood out from that Test match. This

1600
01:17:46,267 --> 01:17:49,267
Speaker 3: morning we had a full border calls between twelve and one.

1601
01:17:49,347 --> 01:17:50,827
Speaker 3: You might not have been able to get through. If

1602
01:17:50,867 --> 01:17:53,667
Speaker 3: that was the case, I'd welcome your call now. We'll

1603
01:17:53,707 --> 01:17:56,547
Speaker 3: keep lines open. I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty

1604
01:17:56,587 --> 01:18:00,587
Speaker 3: as always as the number. Some really astute observations last

1605
01:18:00,627 --> 01:18:03,027
Speaker 3: hour long, May that continue. If you've got a point

1606
01:18:03,027 --> 01:18:05,347
Speaker 3: to make, we'd love to have you do so. I

1607
01:18:05,427 --> 01:18:08,387
Speaker 3: w eight hundred eighty ten eighty is our number. Will

1608
01:18:08,427 --> 01:18:10,227
Speaker 3: keep an eye on live sport happening around the place

1609
01:18:10,267 --> 01:18:13,307
Speaker 3: as well. After two o'clocks, about an hour away, Finn

1610
01:18:13,507 --> 01:18:17,307
Speaker 3: Butcher joins us. One of the undoubted stars of the

1611
01:18:17,347 --> 01:18:20,347
Speaker 3: Paris Olympic games. With his gold medal and the kayak

1612
01:18:20,467 --> 01:18:22,947
Speaker 3: cross he's going to reminisus. It's been just over one

1613
01:18:22,987 --> 01:18:26,067
Speaker 3: hundred days actually since he stood on top of that podium.

1614
01:18:26,147 --> 01:18:29,147
Speaker 3: So with the benefit of three months or so hindsight,

1615
01:18:30,187 --> 01:18:34,707
Speaker 3: how's Finn Butcher feeling about life and about his gold medal?

1616
01:18:35,267 --> 01:18:37,947
Speaker 3: Oh eight and eighty ten eighty. What was Scott Robertson's

1617
01:18:38,027 --> 01:18:39,947
Speaker 3: initial thoughts on what played out today?

1618
01:18:40,507 --> 01:18:44,387
Speaker 34: Really proud of our efforts and how how hard we

1619
01:18:44,867 --> 01:18:49,627
Speaker 34: worked for each other. We created so much, we didn't

1620
01:18:49,627 --> 01:18:52,947
Speaker 34: finish and there's a tough part.

1621
01:18:53,027 --> 01:18:53,147
Speaker 35: You know.

1622
01:18:53,307 --> 01:18:56,067
Speaker 34: Look, we've had some really really good footing and there's

1623
01:18:56,067 --> 01:18:59,147
Speaker 34: a couple of little moments when the game swung their way,

1624
01:18:59,227 --> 01:19:02,267
Speaker 34: especially just just before and alfter halftime. So we never

1625
01:19:02,347 --> 01:19:05,627
Speaker 34: put enough pressure, scoreboard pressure on nearly enough and they

1626
01:19:05,667 --> 01:19:09,067
Speaker 34: stayed in it, crowd come into it and made opportunities

1627
01:19:09,107 --> 01:19:12,147
Speaker 34: in the end to win it. But the world under France,

1628
01:19:12,787 --> 01:19:16,547
Speaker 34: they showed a lot of courage and spirit and defended stoically.

1629
01:19:16,907 --> 01:19:19,587
Speaker 3: There was a thought that there should have perhaps been

1630
01:19:19,627 --> 01:19:22,227
Speaker 3: a few more scrum penalties after the All Blacks seemed

1631
01:19:22,267 --> 01:19:24,707
Speaker 3: to dominate at scrum time. What was Scott Robertson's thoughts on.

1632
01:19:24,787 --> 01:19:28,907
Speaker 34: That, I think you asking that question leads to the

1633
01:19:28,987 --> 01:19:32,907
Speaker 34: answer Elliott, Yeah, I thought we was coming too extremely well.

1634
01:19:33,027 --> 01:19:36,547
Speaker 34: Showed some really good pictures and probably one of the

1635
01:19:36,587 --> 01:19:38,267
Speaker 34: other areas which were around the effort not quite in

1636
01:19:38,307 --> 01:19:42,507
Speaker 34: the reward for that we felt we you know, we don't.

1637
01:19:43,347 --> 01:19:47,427
Speaker 3: And France's try in the fiftieth minute, which was, as

1638
01:19:47,467 --> 01:19:49,467
Speaker 3: I mentioned before, a bit of a fourteen point swing.

1639
01:19:49,787 --> 01:19:51,627
Speaker 3: The All Blacks on attack and maybe if a pass

1640
01:19:51,627 --> 01:19:53,747
Speaker 3: had gone to hand to will Jordan, the All blacks

1641
01:19:53,787 --> 01:19:55,227
Speaker 3: would have been off down the other end to score

1642
01:19:55,227 --> 01:19:57,787
Speaker 3: a converted try. As it was ball kicked ahead by France,

1643
01:19:57,867 --> 01:20:01,627
Speaker 3: they scored a converted try. What was the significance of

1644
01:20:01,707 --> 01:20:03,827
Speaker 3: that particular passage of play on the game?

1645
01:20:04,107 --> 01:20:04,227
Speaker 8: Oh?

1646
01:20:04,347 --> 01:20:06,547
Speaker 34: That was That was the big moment. It was a

1647
01:20:06,867 --> 01:20:09,307
Speaker 34: fourteen point try, wasn't it Where it goes to hand,

1648
01:20:09,387 --> 01:20:13,707
Speaker 34: we scored, They kick it through and buried he scores

1649
01:20:13,787 --> 01:20:16,147
Speaker 34: and how fast does he at least wait?

1650
01:20:16,307 --> 01:20:16,507
Speaker 25: Wow?

1651
01:20:17,947 --> 01:20:22,787
Speaker 34: Yet his perception also there was a moment and gave

1652
01:20:22,827 --> 01:20:23,747
Speaker 34: him a lot of belief for you.

1653
01:20:24,227 --> 01:20:25,907
Speaker 3: This were some of the thoughts of Scott Robertson a

1654
01:20:25,987 --> 01:20:28,267
Speaker 3: short time ago at the post match press conference, you'll

1655
01:20:28,307 --> 01:20:30,467
Speaker 3: have some I'm sure our eight hundred and eighty ten

1656
01:20:30,627 --> 01:20:33,227
Speaker 3: eighty phone him on through. Let's have a chat about

1657
01:20:33,227 --> 01:20:35,187
Speaker 3: this game. Anything you want to pick up on John,

1658
01:20:35,267 --> 01:20:36,707
Speaker 3: you can kick us off this out. How are you.

1659
01:20:38,307 --> 01:20:42,027
Speaker 26: I'm good, I'm good. I thought it was a great game.

1660
01:20:42,107 --> 01:20:43,907
Speaker 26: And you see, they just made that one slip in

1661
01:20:43,987 --> 01:20:47,147
Speaker 26: that fast wigga game, So I'd call that an opportunity try.

1662
01:20:47,267 --> 01:20:48,987
Speaker 26: But there was a big hole here and he got

1663
01:20:49,067 --> 01:20:51,867
Speaker 26: up and he scored the try. But there was a

1664
01:20:51,947 --> 01:20:54,747
Speaker 26: couple of times that ref was very quick on sort

1665
01:20:54,787 --> 01:20:57,787
Speaker 26: of if they play the ball, you know, And there

1666
01:20:57,867 --> 01:21:00,587
Speaker 26: was a time when they were down there, that French team,

1667
01:21:00,627 --> 01:21:02,667
Speaker 26: and they were creeping across from the line out in

1668
01:21:02,747 --> 01:21:07,267
Speaker 26: the kick of the corner, and they they were going across,

1669
01:21:07,307 --> 01:21:09,787
Speaker 26: they weren't going forward, and he never said play the ball,

1670
01:21:09,907 --> 01:21:13,147
Speaker 26: play you know, move the ball. Do you remember that

1671
01:21:13,347 --> 01:21:13,747
Speaker 26: part of it?

1672
01:21:14,347 --> 01:21:14,747
Speaker 2: I don't.

1673
01:21:14,907 --> 01:21:16,867
Speaker 3: I don't know exactly which part you're referencing.

1674
01:21:17,627 --> 01:21:23,067
Speaker 26: John, Now, oh, oh, that's okay. I think myself that

1675
01:21:24,227 --> 01:21:27,507
Speaker 26: he puts three barretts on a game. I can't understand

1676
01:21:27,587 --> 01:21:35,627
Speaker 26: why they deep our and he runs him on McLeod

1677
01:21:35,667 --> 01:21:35,867
Speaker 26: and that.

1678
01:21:35,947 --> 01:21:38,147
Speaker 3: What's his name, Damien McKenzie.

1679
01:21:39,147 --> 01:21:43,707
Speaker 26: Mackenzie, McKenzie. Now he came on and he and he

1680
01:21:44,547 --> 01:21:46,867
Speaker 26: made a big impression straight away, and he and the

1681
01:21:46,987 --> 01:21:49,627
Speaker 26: remarkable and he dodges all around the bloody field. I

1682
01:21:49,787 --> 01:21:52,587
Speaker 26: don't know why he holds him off and he just

1683
01:21:52,707 --> 01:21:55,507
Speaker 26: brings him on in the last twenty minutes of the game.

1684
01:21:55,747 --> 01:21:58,547
Speaker 26: I mean he ran down there, remember, and they almost

1685
01:21:58,587 --> 01:22:00,987
Speaker 26: got another bloody try, those French. But he got down

1686
01:22:01,027 --> 01:22:03,507
Speaker 26: there and over that ball about a meter away from

1687
01:22:03,547 --> 01:22:04,587
Speaker 26: their try line.

1688
01:22:04,987 --> 01:22:07,787
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was fresh. He was fresh though, wasn't he, Johnny,

1689
01:22:08,147 --> 01:22:11,467
Speaker 3: You know, but he might have been fresh.

1690
01:22:12,347 --> 01:22:16,067
Speaker 26: But I mean, don't take it away. I said to

1691
01:22:16,187 --> 01:22:18,227
Speaker 26: my mate I was watching the game with. I think

1692
01:22:18,387 --> 01:22:20,347
Speaker 26: that the team that won it run it. Maybe a

1693
01:22:20,427 --> 01:22:23,427
Speaker 26: draw would have been fair. I don't know, but I

1694
01:22:23,547 --> 01:22:25,347
Speaker 26: mean I thought it was a great game of rugby

1695
01:22:25,827 --> 01:22:28,387
Speaker 26: and they were blooding a lot of new players, and

1696
01:22:28,467 --> 01:22:32,107
Speaker 26: you've got an immense French crowd on their side, of course,

1697
01:22:32,667 --> 01:22:36,187
Speaker 26: But I just think it's time that McKenzie gone on earlier.

1698
01:22:36,227 --> 01:22:37,027
Speaker 26: That's all I'm saying.

1699
01:22:37,427 --> 01:22:41,827
Speaker 3: No, John, Yeah, yeah, it's a good opinion. It's the

1700
01:22:41,907 --> 01:22:44,747
Speaker 3: interesting part about Damien McKenzie as he started the first

1701
01:22:44,827 --> 01:22:48,347
Speaker 3: eight test matches of the year. He started against Ireland

1702
01:22:48,427 --> 01:22:51,707
Speaker 3: last weekend against Japan, So of the thirteen tests, he

1703
01:22:51,907 --> 01:22:55,347
Speaker 3: started at ten ten times in those thirteen games and

1704
01:22:55,427 --> 01:22:57,027
Speaker 3: has come off the bench in the other three. I

1705
01:22:57,107 --> 01:23:00,027
Speaker 3: guess what you're saying is that perhaps he should come

1706
01:23:00,067 --> 01:23:02,427
Speaker 3: off if he isn't an impact role a little bit earlier.

1707
01:23:02,427 --> 01:23:04,427
Speaker 3: But having said that, he was on in the fiftieth

1708
01:23:04,507 --> 01:23:05,067
Speaker 3: minute today.

1709
01:23:06,867 --> 01:23:09,907
Speaker 26: Yeah, all I'm saying about it is if you really

1710
01:23:10,027 --> 01:23:12,987
Speaker 26: go back on the other games. I mean, he's the

1711
01:23:13,107 --> 01:23:15,987
Speaker 26: sort of player that you can't sort of follow after

1712
01:23:16,107 --> 01:23:18,387
Speaker 26: the game and see how he's going to play the game.

1713
01:23:18,427 --> 01:23:21,707
Speaker 26: He doesn't know himself. He's just a very elusive player

1714
01:23:22,387 --> 01:23:24,667
Speaker 26: and he and they wouldn't know how to even mark him.

1715
01:23:25,147 --> 01:23:27,987
Speaker 26: And he cuts through like a like knife through a butter.

1716
01:23:28,187 --> 01:23:30,387
Speaker 26: That's all I'm saying. And I think he's been very

1717
01:23:30,467 --> 01:23:36,347
Speaker 26: instrumental in the winning of a lot of these recent tests.

1718
01:23:36,587 --> 01:23:38,547
Speaker 26: That's what I'm saying about. David McKenzie.

1719
01:23:38,987 --> 01:23:40,827
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, and John, you make a good point, a

1720
01:23:40,947 --> 01:23:43,387
Speaker 3: very good point, yes, And I think that the Damien

1721
01:23:43,467 --> 01:23:48,867
Speaker 3: McKenzie Bowden Barrett argument discussion debate will continue next year.

1722
01:23:49,107 --> 01:23:51,667
Speaker 3: And Richie Morlonga may even be back in too that

1723
01:23:51,787 --> 01:23:54,627
Speaker 3: equation as well. My preference is Damien Mackenzie off the bench,

1724
01:23:55,747 --> 01:23:58,387
Speaker 3: but as you've pointed out, John, it needs to perhaps

1725
01:23:58,467 --> 01:24:03,347
Speaker 3: be used slightly differently. He was as I say today,

1726
01:24:03,427 --> 01:24:05,507
Speaker 3: he came on. He came on at the same time

1727
01:24:05,587 --> 01:24:08,707
Speaker 3: that they made the change in halfback, so he had

1728
01:24:08,747 --> 01:24:13,147
Speaker 3: half an hour and his kicking was good again, wasn't it.

1729
01:24:14,347 --> 01:24:18,507
Speaker 3: Thanks John, I appreciate your call. Hello, Chris, how are

1730
01:24:18,507 --> 01:24:20,907
Speaker 3: you going good? Thank you, Chris, how are you going?

1731
01:24:21,467 --> 01:24:21,907
Speaker 33: That's good?

1732
01:24:22,027 --> 01:24:24,307
Speaker 30: Oh I'm a bit disappointed they to be honest. I

1733
01:24:24,387 --> 01:24:28,747
Speaker 30: mean that game was the All Blacks, right, and obviously

1734
01:24:28,827 --> 01:24:31,067
Speaker 30: you can tell by Max and a pom and we

1735
01:24:31,147 --> 01:24:32,507
Speaker 30: don't know anything about rugby.

1736
01:24:33,667 --> 01:24:35,467
Speaker 3: I think we all know that's not true. Chris. I

1737
01:24:35,547 --> 01:24:35,867
Speaker 3: think you know.

1738
01:24:37,227 --> 01:24:40,147
Speaker 30: But I mean, yeah, but you know, the All Blacks

1739
01:24:40,187 --> 01:24:42,147
Speaker 30: are the best team in the world. But when you're

1740
01:24:42,187 --> 01:24:45,907
Speaker 30: fighting against a referee, it's just ridiculous. I mean the

1741
01:24:46,067 --> 01:24:50,787
Speaker 30: match officials. You know, there's many times that the match

1742
01:24:50,867 --> 01:24:56,507
Speaker 30: officials were incorrect, you know, false net rolls and obstruction

1743
01:24:56,947 --> 01:24:59,987
Speaker 30: and they all got points for that in French, you know.

1744
01:25:00,147 --> 01:25:03,667
Speaker 30: And I've been watching rugby. I'm sixty eight. I've been

1745
01:25:03,707 --> 01:25:08,067
Speaker 30: watching rugby all these years, and the amount of times

1746
01:25:08,107 --> 01:25:12,347
Speaker 30: that the All Blacks have been denied World Cups games,

1747
01:25:13,147 --> 01:25:17,307
Speaker 30: you know, in championships or whatever because of these referees.

1748
01:25:18,187 --> 01:25:21,867
Speaker 30: The lines that you've got. You've got two blindsmen, which

1749
01:25:21,947 --> 01:25:26,587
Speaker 30: is a ka now match of assistant referees. You've got

1750
01:25:26,627 --> 01:25:31,587
Speaker 30: the referee, you've got this guy upstairs, and then you've

1751
01:25:31,587 --> 01:25:34,747
Speaker 30: got this other battle play guy and they can't even

1752
01:25:34,787 --> 01:25:38,987
Speaker 30: get it right. You remember the the old hand of God.

1753
01:25:39,307 --> 01:25:42,467
Speaker 30: I remember this the decades are wing Argentina won the

1754
01:25:42,507 --> 01:25:48,107
Speaker 30: World Cup. Hundreds of millions of people saw handball for

1755
01:25:48,227 --> 01:25:51,667
Speaker 30: the referees in the liner and didn't and that went

1756
01:25:51,747 --> 01:25:52,507
Speaker 30: down in history.

1757
01:25:53,107 --> 01:25:55,587
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't, I don't think.

1758
01:25:55,987 --> 01:25:56,267
Speaker 8: I don't.

1759
01:25:56,347 --> 01:25:57,907
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think the reason the Old Blacks lost

1760
01:25:57,947 --> 01:25:59,107
Speaker 3: the game was because of the referees.

1761
01:26:00,267 --> 01:26:04,667
Speaker 30: No, well, I think I disagree, but we'll leave it there.

1762
01:26:05,227 --> 01:26:09,947
Speaker 30: But you know, we we we've got to nobody up

1763
01:26:09,947 --> 01:26:12,867
Speaker 30: on the French side or the All Black side, the

1764
01:26:12,987 --> 01:26:18,347
Speaker 30: manager Razor or Ardie Savier or anybody complained about the

1765
01:26:18,427 --> 01:26:22,027
Speaker 30: referees because they know, as they do, next game they play,

1766
01:26:22,387 --> 01:26:26,387
Speaker 30: what's going to happen, they'll get things even more.

1767
01:26:27,067 --> 01:26:28,867
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the reason they don't comment about the

1768
01:26:28,867 --> 01:26:30,867
Speaker 3: referees perhaps is because, as I say, Chris, I don't

1769
01:26:30,867 --> 01:26:33,627
Speaker 3: think that was the reason they lost the game. You know,

1770
01:26:33,707 --> 01:26:37,267
Speaker 3: the referee didn't make the decision to kick the goal

1771
01:26:37,547 --> 01:26:39,427
Speaker 3: instead of kicking for the line, didn't make the decision

1772
01:26:39,467 --> 01:26:43,507
Speaker 3: to make the substitutions, didn't make the decision, as Ardie

1773
01:26:43,587 --> 01:26:46,667
Speaker 3: Savee said, to make silly mistakes and the odd turnover.

1774
01:26:47,427 --> 01:26:52,227
Speaker 3: The referee didn't create French pressure. You know, I think

1775
01:26:52,267 --> 01:26:54,707
Speaker 3: the reason that the All Blacks, you know, after the

1776
01:26:54,747 --> 01:26:56,787
Speaker 3: game today haven't talked about the referee or there was

1777
01:26:56,787 --> 01:26:58,507
Speaker 3: a there was a brief bit there with Raiser talking

1778
01:26:58,507 --> 01:27:01,307
Speaker 3: about the penalties at scrum time, was that the referee

1779
01:27:01,387 --> 01:27:03,067
Speaker 3: wasn't the reason the All Blacks lost the game. I

1780
01:27:03,227 --> 01:27:05,987
Speaker 3: too was mystified by a few of his decisions, but

1781
01:27:06,547 --> 01:27:12,027
Speaker 3: at scrum time and listening to Gregor Paul on our commentary,

1782
01:27:12,107 --> 01:27:15,067
Speaker 3: he made the point regularly that the All Blacks were

1783
01:27:15,187 --> 01:27:19,547
Speaker 3: absolutely monstering France at scrum time and it was almost

1784
01:27:19,547 --> 01:27:21,627
Speaker 3: as though the referee didn't want to give a scrum

1785
01:27:21,907 --> 01:27:25,427
Speaker 3: a penalty every scrum. But if you know if that's

1786
01:27:25,467 --> 01:27:28,787
Speaker 3: what is required, then that's what's required. I'll walk it back.

1787
01:27:28,867 --> 01:27:31,907
Speaker 3: Though the referee wasn't the reason the All Blacks lost

1788
01:27:31,947 --> 01:27:32,227
Speaker 3: that game.

1789
01:27:34,267 --> 01:27:36,627
Speaker 26: Hello Murray, how are you doing?

1790
01:27:38,707 --> 01:27:41,227
Speaker 21: I thought it was a great game. Had everything hit

1791
01:27:41,267 --> 01:27:43,027
Speaker 21: all the elements, so they had a cup of coffee,

1792
01:27:43,347 --> 01:27:45,827
Speaker 21: never got to drink a taste around the room near

1793
01:27:45,907 --> 01:27:50,307
Speaker 21: But I mean, how I did come on the Northern

1794
01:27:50,387 --> 01:27:53,547
Speaker 21: hemisphy of season is tuning into almost those mini competition

1795
01:27:53,707 --> 01:27:55,667
Speaker 21: field it's got everything, you know, and that was a

1796
01:27:55,707 --> 01:27:57,147
Speaker 21: big stadium, that was a big match.

1797
01:27:58,467 --> 01:27:59,987
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was a great Test. I think

1798
01:27:59,987 --> 01:28:01,827
Speaker 3: if you weren't, like I said before, Maurray, if you weren't,

1799
01:28:01,867 --> 01:28:03,547
Speaker 3: I mean you sound like a kiwi I am. You

1800
01:28:03,587 --> 01:28:05,067
Speaker 3: know we want the All Blacks to one all the time.

1801
01:28:05,907 --> 01:28:06,667
Speaker 21: Daughter's French?

1802
01:28:09,667 --> 01:28:09,867
Speaker 26: Good.

1803
01:28:10,187 --> 01:28:12,147
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well there's a no lose situation.

1804
01:28:12,307 --> 01:28:12,427
Speaker 17: Then.

1805
01:28:12,547 --> 01:28:14,747
Speaker 3: Look, I think as a Test match as a spectacle

1806
01:28:14,787 --> 01:28:16,987
Speaker 3: and you and you're right to talk about it in

1807
01:28:17,067 --> 01:28:18,867
Speaker 3: a wider sense. With the other games. We're getting the

1808
01:28:18,907 --> 01:28:22,347
Speaker 3: opportunity to see the Autumn internationals as they call them

1809
01:28:22,387 --> 01:28:26,227
Speaker 3: up there. There's been some great games of rugby absolutely,

1810
01:28:26,507 --> 01:28:27,347
Speaker 3: and this one.

1811
01:28:27,387 --> 01:28:29,627
Speaker 21: I was always worried about let's go, said game man,

1812
01:28:30,627 --> 01:28:34,507
Speaker 21: you know, injuries, tiredness, and it was in the big stadium,

1813
01:28:35,027 --> 01:28:37,107
Speaker 21: start in front. It's sort of the Irish stadium was

1814
01:28:37,427 --> 01:28:38,347
Speaker 21: as try to speak.

1815
01:28:39,467 --> 01:28:41,587
Speaker 3: I thought it was looked amazing this morning. It looked,

1816
01:28:41,907 --> 01:28:45,547
Speaker 3: honestly looked amazing that especially pre game with the they

1817
01:28:45,627 --> 01:28:47,427
Speaker 3: took the lights down. And I know it's only I

1818
01:28:47,467 --> 01:28:49,747
Speaker 3: know it's only window addressing to the extra game of rugby, Murray,

1819
01:28:49,747 --> 01:28:52,147
Speaker 3: but I just thought the whole occasion pre gamer it

1820
01:28:52,227 --> 01:28:52,667
Speaker 3: was awesome.

1821
01:28:54,307 --> 01:28:56,547
Speaker 21: In getting a bit technical. I think it was the

1822
01:28:56,707 --> 01:28:59,787
Speaker 21: right decision to play quarters rating because we know who

1823
01:28:59,907 --> 01:29:04,147
Speaker 21: Rougad is. Scott obviosly knows who he is because said,

1824
01:29:04,707 --> 01:29:07,747
Speaker 21: there's never been someone talked about so much. So here

1825
01:29:07,827 --> 01:29:08,627
Speaker 21: is a big game player.

1826
01:29:08,707 --> 01:29:09,147
Speaker 36: We know that.

1827
01:29:09,747 --> 01:29:13,387
Speaker 21: But she wasn't gonna really innocing from Ratima. They're playing

1828
01:29:13,427 --> 01:29:14,147
Speaker 21: them against Italy.

1829
01:29:14,227 --> 01:29:17,187
Speaker 3: It was it was now yeah, but yeah, I still

1830
01:29:17,187 --> 01:29:18,307
Speaker 3: think you want to win the game of rugby, that

1831
01:29:18,347 --> 01:29:19,947
Speaker 3: don't you, Murray. I mean, yeah, we learn a bit

1832
01:29:19,947 --> 01:29:22,747
Speaker 3: about Ratama against England and Ireland. You know I would

1833
01:29:22,787 --> 01:29:26,227
Speaker 3: have kept Roy guard on, yeah, for the.

1834
01:29:26,267 --> 01:29:28,587
Speaker 21: Win, but there's a balancing agent that's at four years

1835
01:29:29,067 --> 01:29:31,827
Speaker 21: World Cup, SoCal, isn't it. We need three hacks, we

1836
01:29:31,907 --> 01:29:33,867
Speaker 21: need three half backs, and we need three tens and

1837
01:29:33,907 --> 01:29:34,787
Speaker 21: we haven't got them yet.

1838
01:29:36,227 --> 01:29:36,987
Speaker 15: So when when?

1839
01:29:37,107 --> 01:29:37,827
Speaker 21: When? When do you know?

1840
01:29:38,987 --> 01:29:39,187
Speaker 37: Yeah?

1841
01:29:40,227 --> 01:29:42,947
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be a genius decision in three years Murray,

1842
01:29:42,987 --> 01:29:46,867
Speaker 3: you're right. If yeah, If the development of Ratima and

1843
01:29:47,107 --> 01:29:48,987
Speaker 3: Roy Garden, I guess Noah, hope them is the other one.

1844
01:29:48,987 --> 01:29:51,707
Speaker 3: If it continues to go on the same trajectory that

1845
01:29:51,787 --> 01:29:53,707
Speaker 3: it is, we could arrive at the next World Cup.

1846
01:29:53,747 --> 01:29:55,987
Speaker 3: Were three absolutely brilliant half backs.

1847
01:29:56,747 --> 01:29:58,587
Speaker 21: And a good forward pack. They're young, and they're big

1848
01:29:58,667 --> 01:29:59,227
Speaker 21: and they're strong.

1849
01:29:59,987 --> 01:30:04,427
Speaker 3: It's killful, good stuff, Murray, good points, well made, my friend,

1850
01:30:04,587 --> 01:30:06,827
Speaker 3: Thanks for calling in. I'm sure you daughter. Will we

1851
01:30:06,867 --> 01:30:11,187
Speaker 3: please too the outcome of the game, Hello, Tom came

1852
01:30:11,267 --> 01:30:17,587
Speaker 3: on it? Uh oh, yes, I wonder whether you would

1853
01:30:17,627 --> 01:30:19,827
Speaker 3: call that. Honestly, I think we could probably, we could

1854
01:30:19,867 --> 01:30:23,627
Speaker 3: probably do a whole show on d MAC. What did

1855
01:30:23,667 --> 01:30:25,107
Speaker 3: you make of his impact? What did you make of

1856
01:30:25,107 --> 01:30:25,947
Speaker 3: his impact this morning?

1857
01:30:26,987 --> 01:30:27,187
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1858
01:30:27,347 --> 01:30:29,427
Speaker 29: No, he was insane, like you could come off the

1859
01:30:29,467 --> 01:30:33,747
Speaker 29: bench instant. I think, first touch, break down, the theft instantly,

1860
01:30:33,787 --> 01:30:36,067
Speaker 29: I think, then he put someone through a hole instantly.

1861
01:30:36,187 --> 01:30:39,267
Speaker 29: Impact was back there to save that try.

1862
01:30:39,387 --> 01:30:41,107
Speaker 18: After that break.

1863
01:30:41,347 --> 01:30:44,627
Speaker 29: Obviously kicked for out of four penalties, he made another

1864
01:30:44,707 --> 01:30:48,307
Speaker 29: break will Jordan again through a through a pass that

1865
01:30:48,307 --> 01:30:50,507
Speaker 29: probably shouldn't have shouldn't have been thrown, so you know,

1866
01:30:50,627 --> 01:30:53,307
Speaker 29: he was insane. I think we need to start looking

1867
01:30:53,307 --> 01:30:56,027
Speaker 29: at the point that when someone before thought about scoreboard

1868
01:30:56,067 --> 01:30:59,547
Speaker 29: pressure and at the end of the day, you bring

1869
01:30:59,587 --> 01:31:01,587
Speaker 29: an impact player on when you're losing. We saw it

1870
01:31:01,627 --> 01:31:04,267
Speaker 29: against England boortem One when we were losing was bared

1871
01:31:04,267 --> 01:31:06,827
Speaker 29: at ten. Bring Damien on. He went to the game

1872
01:31:07,307 --> 01:31:09,947
Speaker 29: last week against Ireland, Damian McKenzie managed the match for

1873
01:31:09,987 --> 01:31:13,947
Speaker 29: four minutes at ten. This week, Barrett's at ten. Damie

1874
01:31:13,987 --> 01:31:17,387
Speaker 29: comes on the fifty fifth minute, we're losing. Bar at ten,

1875
01:31:17,947 --> 01:31:20,507
Speaker 29: Damie comes on, We get within a point. I think

1876
01:31:20,547 --> 01:31:24,387
Speaker 29: he impacted the game pretty well. And yeah, no, at

1877
01:31:24,427 --> 01:31:26,027
Speaker 29: the end of the day we'll even go back a

1878
01:31:26,107 --> 01:31:26,427
Speaker 29: bit more.

1879
01:31:26,467 --> 01:31:27,347
Speaker 11: We go Japan.

1880
01:31:27,547 --> 01:31:29,147
Speaker 18: He was That's Japan.

1881
01:31:29,267 --> 01:31:31,587
Speaker 29: That was Japan's second biggest loss in the last ten years.

1882
01:31:31,947 --> 01:31:34,547
Speaker 29: D make at ten game before that, when he got

1883
01:31:34,627 --> 01:31:36,947
Speaker 29: dropped to the bench against Ossie, he set up to

1884
01:31:37,027 --> 01:31:40,307
Speaker 29: try for our only points scored in the rugby championship

1885
01:31:40,347 --> 01:31:44,947
Speaker 29: after the sixtieth minute, So he's clearly playing good rugby. Like,

1886
01:31:45,187 --> 01:31:46,667
Speaker 29: if we're just going to act like this guy's made

1887
01:31:46,707 --> 01:31:48,627
Speaker 29: one or two mistakes, he shouldn't have been the team

1888
01:31:48,947 --> 01:31:51,947
Speaker 29: or shouldn't be starting, that's just ridiculous because we saw

1889
01:31:51,987 --> 01:31:53,467
Speaker 29: today Bot. I think he had a good game. He

1890
01:31:54,027 --> 01:31:56,867
Speaker 29: put away the bootle lot and he ran the ball,

1891
01:31:56,987 --> 01:31:59,547
Speaker 29: but he didn't create a lot. Both our tries came

1892
01:31:59,627 --> 01:32:03,187
Speaker 29: from ro regards individual brilliance, and then there was that

1893
01:32:03,307 --> 01:32:05,947
Speaker 29: try down the left in the first half. Again nothing

1894
01:32:05,987 --> 01:32:09,307
Speaker 29: to it could have been honest, like, I don't think

1895
01:32:09,307 --> 01:32:10,507
Speaker 29: he's trading the players that we want.

1896
01:32:11,227 --> 01:32:11,507
Speaker 26: He's not.

1897
01:32:13,147 --> 01:32:15,547
Speaker 29: You know, there was the team wasn't wasn't exactly sharp

1898
01:32:16,267 --> 01:32:19,867
Speaker 29: so and even yet overall selection even yeah, I don't know,

1899
01:32:20,187 --> 01:32:24,707
Speaker 29: no one's bad players, but sevu Reese as well instead

1900
01:32:24,747 --> 01:32:26,867
Speaker 29: of an Elf in the room, I think he's clearly

1901
01:32:27,227 --> 01:32:30,467
Speaker 29: off out of foreman. Yeah, I would have liked to

1902
01:32:30,547 --> 01:32:34,427
Speaker 29: have seen Will Jordan on the wing and Boden fullback.

1903
01:32:34,547 --> 01:32:37,027
Speaker 3: But yeah, I was going to ask if it's not Ree,

1904
01:32:37,067 --> 01:32:38,587
Speaker 3: if it's not Reese on the right wing, then who

1905
01:32:38,667 --> 01:32:45,627
Speaker 3: is it? Because you know, obviously in the car quite yeah,

1906
01:32:45,627 --> 01:32:47,747
Speaker 3: I would have I would have put Yeah, maybe Will Jordan.

1907
01:32:47,787 --> 01:32:49,467
Speaker 3: I I just think they're all in on him at

1908
01:32:49,507 --> 01:32:51,667
Speaker 3: fallback now. It feels to me, and I know what

1909
01:32:51,747 --> 01:32:55,067
Speaker 3: you're saying about, you know, perhaps playing Damien McKenzie there

1910
01:32:55,227 --> 01:32:58,387
Speaker 3: in this situation. I guess they also could have potentially

1911
01:32:58,467 --> 01:33:00,547
Speaker 3: on a bit deeper into the squad and included Ruben

1912
01:33:00,587 --> 01:33:06,067
Speaker 3: Love somehow. But yeah, yeah, it's I kind of feel

1913
01:33:06,107 --> 01:33:08,547
Speaker 3: like the hand was forced in many ways around just

1914
01:33:08,627 --> 01:33:10,987
Speaker 3: a lack of i'll fit wingers in the squad at

1915
01:33:11,027 --> 01:33:11,307
Speaker 3: the moment.

1916
01:33:12,427 --> 01:33:14,667
Speaker 29: Well, it's one of those things where Braids has always

1917
01:33:14,667 --> 01:33:17,067
Speaker 29: said he rates he sees Jordan as a fullback who

1918
01:33:17,107 --> 01:33:20,147
Speaker 29: can play wing, and it's like it it gets to

1919
01:33:20,227 --> 01:33:23,747
Speaker 29: the point where we get Reese injured and then Breeze

1920
01:33:23,787 --> 01:33:25,307
Speaker 29: prod Engine and the next man up. All we're just

1921
01:33:25,347 --> 01:33:27,027
Speaker 29: going to keep going down the U until we start

1922
01:33:27,027 --> 01:33:29,947
Speaker 29: playing NBC players on the right wings. Like you know,

1923
01:33:30,507 --> 01:33:33,267
Speaker 29: I think if your next best option is Will Jordan

1924
01:33:33,307 --> 01:33:36,107
Speaker 29: on the right wing and voting at fullback, do it.

1925
01:33:36,427 --> 01:33:39,027
Speaker 29: You know, it's pretty odd in my opinion, Like you've

1926
01:33:39,067 --> 01:33:43,027
Speaker 29: got experienced test players out there who are in form

1927
01:33:43,227 --> 01:33:45,547
Speaker 29: who warrant selection in the jersey Like at the end

1928
01:33:45,587 --> 01:33:48,187
Speaker 29: of the day, we're seeing you know, obviously different positions,

1929
01:33:48,227 --> 01:33:50,467
Speaker 29: but we're seeing severy Reese starting in the all based

1930
01:33:50,547 --> 01:33:52,707
Speaker 29: jersey with a player like mckensey on the bench. That

1931
01:33:52,787 --> 01:33:57,707
Speaker 29: doesn't sit right with me. Again, each each of their own.

1932
01:33:58,387 --> 01:34:01,067
Speaker 29: But now that was a good game, cracking, cracking spectacle.

1933
01:34:02,147 --> 01:34:04,987
Speaker 29: Huge respect to the French crowd for for the way

1934
01:34:05,027 --> 01:34:07,947
Speaker 29: they respected the hacker that were that was neat and

1935
01:34:09,027 --> 01:34:09,747
Speaker 29: now it was a good game.

1936
01:34:09,787 --> 01:34:10,547
Speaker 11: It was a real good game.

1937
01:34:10,627 --> 01:34:12,627
Speaker 29: And I think all these boys that they fronted like

1938
01:34:12,667 --> 01:34:14,467
Speaker 29: they had a good game and we went, we know

1939
01:34:14,507 --> 01:34:16,707
Speaker 29: how good that French crowd. The French at teamas and

1940
01:34:17,187 --> 01:34:20,187
Speaker 29: the crowd got into it. And Ramos great kickers, so

1941
01:34:20,907 --> 01:34:22,667
Speaker 29: you know they made that they punished the r box

1942
01:34:22,707 --> 01:34:25,187
Speaker 29: with his with his checking and overall, I think you

1943
01:34:25,747 --> 01:34:29,267
Speaker 29: just went as sharp as the VIPs. We didn't even

1944
01:34:29,307 --> 01:34:31,027
Speaker 29: defend like they did last week. I didn't think there

1945
01:34:31,107 --> 01:34:34,907
Speaker 29: was the same sort of connection and an open game

1946
01:34:35,027 --> 01:34:38,147
Speaker 29: like that. Selection Wise states that d makes probably your

1947
01:34:38,147 --> 01:34:38,947
Speaker 29: best option at ten.

1948
01:34:39,107 --> 01:34:42,427
Speaker 19: So yeah, just mind, I.

1949
01:34:42,427 --> 01:34:44,627
Speaker 3: Think you'll I think you'll play the next week. I

1950
01:34:44,707 --> 01:34:45,747
Speaker 3: think he'll ten.

1951
01:34:46,067 --> 01:34:46,267
Speaker 35: Yeah.

1952
01:34:46,467 --> 01:34:49,827
Speaker 3: I just feel like and if he does. Then they've gone.

1953
01:34:49,987 --> 01:34:53,787
Speaker 3: They've gone McKenzie, Barrett, McKenzie, Barrett, mackenzie and the five tests,

1954
01:34:53,827 --> 01:34:55,747
Speaker 3: haven't they you know, in fact, even going back for that,

1955
01:34:55,827 --> 01:34:58,827
Speaker 3: in fact they've gone from Australia in Sydney up till

1956
01:34:58,907 --> 01:35:02,427
Speaker 3: now they've gone McKenzie, Barrett, McKenzie, Barrett, mackenzie, Barrett. So yeah,

1957
01:35:02,867 --> 01:35:05,947
Speaker 3: it's it's been a test each for the last half

1958
01:35:05,987 --> 01:35:09,707
Speaker 3: a dozen. Next year, next year's going to be interesting.

1959
01:35:09,427 --> 01:35:11,707
Speaker 29: Man, Yes, that's the debate they'll go on for next year.

1960
01:35:11,747 --> 01:35:14,187
Speaker 29: As you say, I'm assuming, yeah, Bart will be at

1961
01:35:14,227 --> 01:35:16,307
Speaker 29: ten for the Blues and obviously mcken's will be at

1962
01:35:16,307 --> 01:35:18,347
Speaker 29: ten for the Chiefs, and yeah, no it'll be it'll

1963
01:35:18,387 --> 01:35:22,627
Speaker 29: be interesting. But yeah, I don't really know what what

1964
01:35:22,787 --> 01:35:26,107
Speaker 29: Barret Well Robinson's planners with with Barrett in the sense

1965
01:35:26,147 --> 01:35:28,107
Speaker 29: that as an age and player, if he wants to

1966
01:35:28,147 --> 01:35:30,027
Speaker 29: continue with him at ten, you know, as he gets

1967
01:35:30,067 --> 01:35:32,427
Speaker 29: to thirty five, thirty six, you know, and I hope

1968
01:35:32,427 --> 01:35:34,627
Speaker 29: that Mlonga comes back, or I don't know what his

1969
01:35:34,667 --> 01:35:35,987
Speaker 29: planners look about, if he wants use him as a

1970
01:35:35,987 --> 01:35:39,307
Speaker 29: stop gap or if he thinks that that he is

1971
01:35:39,467 --> 01:35:42,307
Speaker 29: starting ten he wants to back him but I don't

1972
01:35:42,307 --> 01:35:44,907
Speaker 29: see him as the future. I think I think McKenzie's

1973
01:35:45,227 --> 01:35:48,987
Speaker 29: clearly shown he is the ten Jersey. So yeah, i'd

1974
01:35:49,027 --> 01:35:51,187
Speaker 29: like to see him start next week against Italy. And

1975
01:35:51,467 --> 01:35:54,027
Speaker 29: I wouldn't actually mind seeing Ruby Lovett fall back next

1976
01:35:54,067 --> 01:35:56,707
Speaker 29: week with Dad on the wing. I think that could

1977
01:35:56,707 --> 01:35:57,987
Speaker 29: be interesting against Intelligence.

1978
01:35:58,547 --> 01:36:00,307
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there'll be a lot of guys next

1979
01:36:00,347 --> 01:36:02,227
Speaker 3: week who get games, and I think Ruben loves one

1980
01:36:02,267 --> 01:36:04,267
Speaker 3: of them. What do we see. We saw him come

1981
01:36:04,307 --> 01:36:05,827
Speaker 3: off the bench against Japan and we've got a couple

1982
01:36:05,867 --> 01:36:08,227
Speaker 3: of tries laid on. I think you'll see him Billy

1983
01:36:08,267 --> 01:36:10,467
Speaker 3: practice not there, so he won't get a game, but

1984
01:36:10,547 --> 01:36:12,547
Speaker 3: I think you'll you'll see a lot of guys who

1985
01:36:12,787 --> 01:36:15,867
Speaker 3: who haven't played for the last three weeks get games.

1986
01:36:16,267 --> 01:36:18,507
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I'm not telling I'm not to you. Yeah,

1987
01:36:18,507 --> 01:36:20,307
Speaker 3: I'm not telling you anything you don't already know. I'm

1988
01:36:20,347 --> 01:36:22,067
Speaker 3: sure others have worked this out, but there's a lot

1989
01:36:22,107 --> 01:36:23,747
Speaker 3: of guys, a lot of guys have played the last

1990
01:36:23,827 --> 01:36:26,267
Speaker 3: three weeks, you know, big Test matches back to back

1991
01:36:26,307 --> 01:36:29,187
Speaker 3: to back. But yeah, yeah, I think t Mak will

1992
01:36:29,187 --> 01:36:31,587
Speaker 3: start at ten next week. Bude Impear. It might not

1993
01:36:31,627 --> 01:36:32,307
Speaker 3: even be in the squad.

1994
01:36:32,347 --> 01:36:32,467
Speaker 18: You know.

1995
01:36:32,987 --> 01:36:34,827
Speaker 3: It might be that they say, okay, body, we're not

1996
01:36:34,907 --> 01:36:37,227
Speaker 3: we don't need you this week. Although he didn't play

1997
01:36:37,227 --> 01:36:39,427
Speaker 3: against Ireland, did he with concussion? So perhaps he does

1998
01:36:39,507 --> 01:36:41,667
Speaker 3: get one more one more test. But maybe it's in

1999
01:36:41,747 --> 01:36:44,347
Speaker 3: the in the twenty two jersey or twenty three jersey.

2000
01:36:44,387 --> 01:36:45,587
Speaker 3: We'll we'll wait and see it.

2001
01:36:45,627 --> 01:36:45,867
Speaker 17: I guess.

2002
01:36:45,907 --> 01:36:50,507
Speaker 3: Love your worked on mate, Thank you all the best, cheers.

2003
01:36:50,867 --> 01:36:53,787
Speaker 3: Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number

2004
01:36:54,067 --> 01:36:55,907
Speaker 3: one twenty six. We'll get a breakaway. There is a

2005
01:36:55,947 --> 01:36:58,347
Speaker 3: spear line there. We'll keep on chatting all blacks for

2006
01:36:58,387 --> 01:37:00,387
Speaker 3: the next little while. James mcconiey going to stop in

2007
01:37:00,667 --> 01:37:03,627
Speaker 3: with his regular input in the next ten to fifteen

2008
01:37:03,627 --> 01:37:06,907
Speaker 3: minutes or so. After two Finn Butcher looking forward to

2009
01:37:06,947 --> 01:37:10,787
Speaker 3: catching up with the Butcher gold medalist at Paris twenty

2010
01:37:10,867 --> 01:37:12,907
Speaker 3: twenty four. A bit of All Whites football four year

2011
01:37:12,907 --> 01:37:14,787
Speaker 3: as well, but let's keep talking Rugby one twenty seven

2012
01:37:14,827 --> 01:37:18,267
Speaker 3: back after this. Walking barefoot through fresh green grass is

2013
01:37:18,347 --> 01:37:21,307
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2014
01:37:21,427 --> 01:37:24,907
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2015
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2016
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2017
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2018
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Speaker 3: are best killed when they first start growing. Ideally, weed

2019
01:37:40,107 --> 01:37:43,627
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2020
01:37:44,067 --> 01:37:47,907
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2021
01:37:47,987 --> 01:37:52,187
Speaker 3: also contains a fertilizer that has nitrogen to encourage lush

2022
01:37:52,307 --> 01:37:55,867
Speaker 3: green leaves and a stronger lawn and iron to promote

2023
01:37:55,907 --> 01:37:59,427
Speaker 3: a rich green color through your lawn. The hoson couldn't

2024
01:37:59,467 --> 01:38:02,027
Speaker 3: be easier to use the on offs which means you

2025
01:38:02,067 --> 01:38:04,947
Speaker 3: can attach it straight to your garden hose and spray

2026
01:38:05,027 --> 01:38:09,107
Speaker 3: your lawn directly. The wedding agent gives improved spray coverage

2027
01:38:09,387 --> 01:38:13,467
Speaker 3: and leaf penetration, making it work quickly and effectively. Once

2028
01:38:13,507 --> 01:38:16,267
Speaker 3: the spray is dried. Grass is safe for pets and children.

2029
01:38:16,507 --> 01:38:20,547
Speaker 3: Fuel weeds, greener grass minimal effort. Take the next step

2030
01:38:20,627 --> 01:38:24,027
Speaker 3: for a barefoot ready lawn and grab Yates Wheed and

2031
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Speaker 3: feed at your favorite hardware store or garden retailer today.

2032
01:38:29,587 --> 01:38:30,747
Speaker 2: The big issues on.

2033
01:38:31,107 --> 01:38:33,907
Speaker 1: And after fields call OH eight hundred and eighty ten

2034
01:38:33,947 --> 01:38:37,787
Speaker 1: eighty weekends forward with Jason Fine and GJ. Gunner homes

2035
01:38:37,987 --> 01:38:41,387
Speaker 1: New Zealand's most trusted home. Bilder News talk to Baby what.

2036
01:38:41,507 --> 01:38:43,267
Speaker 4: Is their pens on Williams out the back but.

2037
01:38:43,507 --> 01:38:46,347
Speaker 3: Jordan order for Luckheid all their PENSI cund.

2038
01:38:46,227 --> 01:38:48,987
Speaker 9: Of plot puck into the twenty two ready Tide there

2039
01:38:49,187 --> 01:38:50,387
Speaker 9: cut second film.

2040
01:38:50,307 --> 01:38:54,027
Speaker 6: But to Gonore, first of the time a black river,

2041
01:38:54,627 --> 01:38:55,627
Speaker 6: Peter Light.

2042
01:38:56,867 --> 01:38:59,547
Speaker 4: It's been on the part for six minutes. That's your

2043
01:38:59,627 --> 01:39:00,547
Speaker 4: black first dry.

2044
01:39:00,907 --> 01:39:02,907
Speaker 3: I'm sure Peter Likekeye wasn't expecting to be on in

2045
01:39:02,987 --> 01:39:05,787
Speaker 3: the second minute, but su'm a penny female departing gave

2046
01:39:05,867 --> 01:39:08,507
Speaker 3: him seven eight minutes and his first test try. What's

2047
01:39:08,507 --> 01:39:11,747
Speaker 3: Scott Robertson make of Peter Larkey's performance exceptional?

2048
01:39:11,867 --> 01:39:17,307
Speaker 34: You know, he was accurate, volunteered, you know, back to

2049
01:39:18,107 --> 01:39:21,227
Speaker 34: skill set, had a great game, you know for a

2050
01:39:21,347 --> 01:39:24,227
Speaker 34: second test and the normality of it, it was special.

2051
01:39:25,107 --> 01:39:28,347
Speaker 3: Also from Scott Robertson, what's the strategy today to hold

2052
01:39:28,467 --> 01:39:31,227
Speaker 3: the ball more than they have in previous test matches

2053
01:39:31,227 --> 01:39:32,787
Speaker 3: other words, kick the ball less.

2054
01:39:33,027 --> 01:39:34,987
Speaker 34: Yeah, we wanted to hold the ball and put a

2055
01:39:35,027 --> 01:39:42,867
Speaker 34: lot of pressure on them by making a lot of tackles. Yeah, yeah,

2056
01:39:42,867 --> 01:39:45,467
Speaker 34: And We did it exactly as a question you asked.

2057
01:39:46,867 --> 01:39:48,347
Speaker 34: Maybe at times you could have kicked a little bit

2058
01:39:48,667 --> 01:39:52,027
Speaker 34: more and maybe if we caught the last pass, we're

2059
01:39:52,107 --> 01:39:54,627
Speaker 34: glad we held the ball. So it's a fine margins

2060
01:39:54,667 --> 01:39:58,107
Speaker 34: in that regard, but we certainly created a lot we

2061
01:39:58,667 --> 01:39:59,787
Speaker 34: didn't quite finish enough.

2062
01:40:00,547 --> 01:40:04,267
Speaker 3: Bringing Damien McKenzie on fifteen minutes into the second half.

2063
01:40:04,427 --> 01:40:07,667
Speaker 3: Was there a plan a pre strategy behind that?

2064
01:40:08,347 --> 01:40:10,227
Speaker 34: But both you know, he covers the backfield if if

2065
01:40:10,267 --> 01:40:15,667
Speaker 34: he's ten or you know, fifteen, and just with him

2066
01:40:15,707 --> 01:40:18,387
Speaker 34: in the coverage with you get your two great counter

2067
01:40:18,427 --> 01:40:21,347
Speaker 34: attackers with Bill and keep Bone in the front line.

2068
01:40:21,587 --> 01:40:22,827
Speaker 17: So that was the that was the plan.

2069
01:40:23,227 --> 01:40:26,627
Speaker 3: And finally from Scott robertson the Battle of the Nines

2070
01:40:26,747 --> 01:40:29,467
Speaker 3: or the starting Nines anyway, how did he see Antoine

2071
01:40:29,547 --> 01:40:31,587
Speaker 3: DuPont versus Cam Roy guard?

2072
01:40:32,747 --> 01:40:36,827
Speaker 34: Yeah, I thought Cam took some great opportunities on his birthday,

2073
01:40:38,667 --> 01:40:41,587
Speaker 34: so he was It was a weird moment for him.

2074
01:40:41,907 --> 01:40:43,387
Speaker 34: It was great to see him come back into tests.

2075
01:40:43,427 --> 01:40:46,827
Speaker 34: He fought really hard and rehabbed his injury incredibly well

2076
01:40:46,947 --> 01:40:49,627
Speaker 34: and you know, deserve the opportunity to start tonight. There's

2077
01:40:49,667 --> 01:40:51,347
Speaker 34: some nice touches and it was good head to head

2078
01:40:51,387 --> 01:40:56,507
Speaker 34: with Antoine to mighty Williams is he's he's well classed,

2079
01:40:56,547 --> 01:41:00,267
Speaker 34: you know, he's big, strong, got great skill set and

2080
01:41:00,427 --> 01:41:02,467
Speaker 34: he can scrimmage which is the number one job for

2081
01:41:02,867 --> 01:41:06,827
Speaker 34: us for a front rower, and he loves his craft.

2082
01:41:07,027 --> 01:41:08,787
Speaker 34: So really pleased for him.

2083
01:41:08,867 --> 01:41:11,947
Speaker 3: So there that's Scott Robinson talking about various aspects of

2084
01:41:11,987 --> 01:41:15,467
Speaker 3: this morning's game. Mitch stays, would Cam Roygard's substitution be

2085
01:41:15,587 --> 01:41:19,227
Speaker 3: minute management? Perhaps his first start back in a massive

2086
01:41:19,267 --> 01:41:22,667
Speaker 3: test after a large knee injury and recovery. The longevity

2087
01:41:22,747 --> 01:41:25,227
Speaker 3: of Cam for his career and the All Blacks may

2088
01:41:25,267 --> 01:41:27,227
Speaker 3: have been at play here, and that's a good point.

2089
01:41:27,627 --> 01:41:30,347
Speaker 3: Good point. I'm well here from Cam roygad before the

2090
01:41:30,427 --> 01:41:32,667
Speaker 3: end of the show it didn't look like a bloke

2091
01:41:32,667 --> 01:41:35,427
Speaker 3: who needed managements. But then I'm not a sports scientist.

2092
01:41:35,747 --> 01:41:39,947
Speaker 10: Dean hi Hello is the pioneer. I just, I just

2093
01:41:40,067 --> 01:41:41,987
Speaker 10: I haven't seen all the game three and I'm just

2094
01:41:42,067 --> 01:41:44,187
Speaker 10: watching the second half now because I had to go

2095
01:41:44,267 --> 01:41:47,827
Speaker 10: to a meeting. Only saw the first half. But you're

2096
01:41:48,067 --> 01:41:53,067
Speaker 10: those high tacks that really gets my noses so long

2097
01:41:53,147 --> 01:41:55,867
Speaker 10: it's not hard to get up, but it really gets.

2098
01:41:58,787 --> 01:41:59,627
Speaker 3: That's not good one.

2099
01:41:59,907 --> 01:42:03,787
Speaker 10: I love it, it really does. I remember that in

2100
01:42:03,907 --> 01:42:07,747
Speaker 10: the days when I played with snow White, whenever the

2101
01:42:07,827 --> 01:42:10,747
Speaker 10: ball went up in the air and we Nancy backs

2102
01:42:10,787 --> 01:42:13,347
Speaker 10: are standing there with their ballet shoes on and not

2103
01:42:13,547 --> 01:42:15,987
Speaker 10: running back and getting behind the ball and coming forward,

2104
01:42:16,267 --> 01:42:19,547
Speaker 10: he would scream at us, for goodness, big explet if

2105
01:42:19,947 --> 01:42:22,787
Speaker 10: get back behind the ball and come forward, because his

2106
01:42:22,947 --> 01:42:25,347
Speaker 10: story was if the other team got it, they had

2107
01:42:25,467 --> 01:42:28,227
Speaker 10: momentum forward. But when I see the All Blacks, and

2108
01:42:28,307 --> 01:42:30,987
Speaker 10: I see in a lot of things they kick, everyone

2109
01:42:31,227 --> 01:42:35,507
Speaker 10: stands there and just looks instead of running back, getting behind,

2110
01:42:35,867 --> 01:42:40,507
Speaker 10: coming forward into the And when the fullback comes screaming

2111
01:42:40,627 --> 01:42:44,707
Speaker 10: up from fifty meters back, when there's a dozen players

2112
01:42:44,787 --> 01:42:47,627
Speaker 10: standing under the ball that could catch it. I don't

2113
01:42:47,667 --> 01:42:50,267
Speaker 10: know why they do that, but that business of getting

2114
01:42:50,347 --> 01:42:53,747
Speaker 10: in behind the ball would alleviate this business of getting

2115
01:42:53,787 --> 01:42:57,067
Speaker 10: in the way of players running through a destruction. That's

2116
01:42:57,227 --> 01:42:58,147
Speaker 10: just the thought I had.

2117
01:42:58,667 --> 01:43:01,067
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting, Dan, I guess if you are running

2118
01:43:01,067 --> 01:43:02,987
Speaker 3: to get back behind the ball, you can still run

2119
01:43:03,147 --> 01:43:05,547
Speaker 3: directly towards where the ball is going to land.

2120
01:43:05,707 --> 01:43:05,827
Speaker 4: Right.

2121
01:43:06,627 --> 01:43:09,547
Speaker 3: It's a confusing new kind of rule to me, This one.

2122
01:43:09,627 --> 01:43:12,307
Speaker 10: I have to say well, I would totally agree. You

2123
01:43:12,667 --> 01:43:14,707
Speaker 10: do run to where the ball's going down. But the

2124
01:43:14,827 --> 01:43:18,307
Speaker 10: problem is there's so many things that can happen. Then

2125
01:43:18,547 --> 01:43:20,707
Speaker 10: you go up after the ball, you need to touch

2126
01:43:20,787 --> 01:43:23,147
Speaker 10: the player in the air. You get penalized. In the

2127
01:43:23,267 --> 01:43:25,947
Speaker 10: line out. I thought it used to be a contest contest.

2128
01:43:26,267 --> 01:43:29,267
Speaker 10: Now you just touch the other guy's arm, you get penalized.

2129
01:43:30,147 --> 01:43:33,787
Speaker 10: I mean it's changed so much or the penolage. To me,

2130
01:43:33,907 --> 01:43:35,267
Speaker 10: the penalty spoil the game.

2131
01:43:36,947 --> 01:43:39,987
Speaker 3: Interesting callers always, Yeah, interesting callers always from you, Jane,

2132
01:43:40,067 --> 01:43:42,707
Speaker 3: thank you so much, mate, really appreciate it. Thanks for

2133
01:43:42,787 --> 01:43:45,707
Speaker 3: your for your call on your humor. A couple on

2134
01:43:45,787 --> 01:43:47,467
Speaker 3: tech film and says, great game, Piney, shame about the

2135
01:43:47,507 --> 01:43:50,187
Speaker 3: last but that final penalty kick. As soon as it

2136
01:43:50,307 --> 01:43:52,387
Speaker 3: was signaled, my first thought was, never would I have

2137
01:43:52,467 --> 01:43:53,667
Speaker 3: seen Richie mccaorr do that.

2138
01:43:55,507 --> 01:43:55,867
Speaker 21: Yeah, the.

2139
01:43:57,347 --> 01:43:59,827
Speaker 3: Decision to take the kick to close it up to

2140
01:43:59,907 --> 01:44:01,867
Speaker 3: one point with four minutes to go.

2141
01:44:03,547 --> 01:44:03,987
Speaker 2: I get in.

2142
01:44:04,107 --> 01:44:06,067
Speaker 3: Brad Shields was interesting on this when he when he

2143
01:44:06,067 --> 01:44:10,467
Speaker 3: spoke about it. You know you have to back yourself

2144
01:44:10,547 --> 01:44:13,547
Speaker 3: to get back down that other end, don't you If

2145
01:44:13,547 --> 01:44:15,107
Speaker 3: you don't kick for the line. What you're saying to

2146
01:44:15,147 --> 01:44:18,067
Speaker 3: yourself is okay, we'll take the points and back ourselves

2147
01:44:18,107 --> 01:44:20,707
Speaker 3: to get back down the other ends with very very

2148
01:44:20,867 --> 01:44:25,227
Speaker 3: tired bodies because we're in the latter stages of the game.

2149
01:44:26,107 --> 01:44:29,947
Speaker 3: So there's a bit that comes into play. If you

2150
01:44:30,067 --> 01:44:32,427
Speaker 3: kick for the line, obviously, look it's almost to guarantee

2151
01:44:32,467 --> 01:44:34,187
Speaker 3: three points. You know you're going to get the three points,

2152
01:44:34,507 --> 01:44:37,187
Speaker 3: and often you take the points. Take the points as

2153
01:44:38,267 --> 01:44:42,027
Speaker 3: a mantra, you hear a lot. But if you kick

2154
01:44:42,067 --> 01:44:43,907
Speaker 3: for the line and set up a line out drive

2155
01:44:44,547 --> 01:44:47,187
Speaker 3: or whatever it is that you're setting up, whether it

2156
01:44:47,307 --> 01:44:51,027
Speaker 3: be that or then a back line move, there's a

2157
01:44:51,187 --> 01:44:54,307
Speaker 3: far greater chance you'll come away empty handed. It's the

2158
01:44:54,387 --> 01:44:56,067
Speaker 3: old bird in the hand too and the bush kind

2159
01:44:56,067 --> 01:44:59,427
Speaker 3: of thing, isn't it. But yep, they'll read look at it,

2160
01:44:59,507 --> 01:45:01,907
Speaker 3: They'll they'll think about it, they'll they'll examine the decision

2161
01:45:04,267 --> 01:45:07,467
Speaker 3: text here from gunner Pine. Congrats to France. But this

2162
01:45:07,587 --> 01:45:09,907
Speaker 3: is a rare time for me after an All Blacks

2163
01:45:09,947 --> 01:45:13,587
Speaker 3: loss that I'm not devastated, not as I could be anyway.

2164
01:45:13,627 --> 01:45:15,587
Speaker 3: I'm still disappointed, but there alls to me have shown

2165
01:45:15,747 --> 01:45:19,267
Speaker 3: huge growth since July. The forward pack is the real

2166
01:45:19,307 --> 01:45:21,267
Speaker 3: improvement for the second week in a row, they pretty

2167
01:45:21,307 --> 01:45:25,427
Speaker 3: much owned their Northern Hemisphere forward pack thanks to Jason Ryan.

2168
01:45:25,667 --> 01:45:27,467
Speaker 3: I feel now the All Blacks forward pack has the

2169
01:45:27,547 --> 01:45:32,307
Speaker 3: confidence to compete and dominate their opponents like the old years. Yes,

2170
01:45:32,387 --> 01:45:34,787
Speaker 3: there are still silly mistakes, but those mistakes are fixable.

2171
01:45:35,307 --> 01:45:35,787
Speaker 11: Is it just me?

2172
01:45:36,467 --> 01:45:39,387
Speaker 3: But can anyone else feel huge amounts of confidence for

2173
01:45:39,467 --> 01:45:42,147
Speaker 3: the future which is looking very bright? Gunner? I think

2174
01:45:42,267 --> 01:45:44,387
Speaker 3: a lot of us are feeling that way. We've a

2175
01:45:44,387 --> 01:45:47,867
Speaker 3: couple of callers make that very point, Tim, do you

2176
01:45:47,947 --> 01:45:51,187
Speaker 3: feel confident about the future. That's probably a very's a

2177
01:45:51,267 --> 01:45:53,307
Speaker 3: very philosophical question. Let's a narrow it down to the

2178
01:45:53,347 --> 01:45:55,907
Speaker 3: All Blacks future very comforts.

2179
01:45:56,067 --> 01:46:01,947
Speaker 19: I think they performed exceptionally well throughout this whole Northern tour. Yeah,

2180
01:46:02,107 --> 01:46:03,587
Speaker 19: I mean, look at it, look at the stocks that

2181
01:46:03,667 --> 01:46:08,707
Speaker 19: we've got special t people like Guy today. I'm massively

2182
01:46:08,747 --> 01:46:10,787
Speaker 19: confident in the way that this team's hitting in just

2183
01:46:10,947 --> 01:46:14,387
Speaker 19: the first year, with all of those changes. I don't

2184
01:46:14,467 --> 01:46:16,707
Speaker 19: think why I don't. I don't understand why people would

2185
01:46:16,747 --> 01:46:19,827
Speaker 19: be questioning that I have got I've got a stranger

2186
01:46:19,827 --> 01:46:23,267
Speaker 19: on for you, Piney. Throughout the game, there are a

2187
01:46:23,307 --> 01:46:25,747
Speaker 19: couple of moments there where there would have been a

2188
01:46:27,467 --> 01:46:32,387
Speaker 19: possible yellow card if the if the All Blacks would

2189
01:46:32,387 --> 01:46:34,827
Speaker 19: have played to the penalty. But they carried on and

2190
01:46:34,867 --> 01:46:39,227
Speaker 19: they carried on down the field. In the past, I

2191
01:46:39,387 --> 01:46:41,667
Speaker 19: feel like the All Black teams have old would have

2192
01:46:41,787 --> 01:46:43,987
Speaker 19: been able to drop the ball on the foot then

2193
01:46:44,067 --> 01:46:47,027
Speaker 19: get the penalty our yellow card. Did you do you

2194
01:46:47,147 --> 01:46:49,907
Speaker 19: feel like that they're playing through these moments and the

2195
01:46:49,987 --> 01:46:52,827
Speaker 19: ref won't go back to the the the infringement and

2196
01:46:52,907 --> 01:46:53,667
Speaker 19: give a yellow card.

2197
01:46:53,827 --> 01:46:55,787
Speaker 20: I kind of feel like past.

2198
01:46:55,587 --> 01:46:56,347
Speaker 22: Teams will have done that.

2199
01:46:56,787 --> 01:46:59,267
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know exactly the I know exactly the situation

2200
01:46:59,347 --> 01:46:59,987
Speaker 3: you're talking about.

2201
01:47:00,307 --> 01:47:00,507
Speaker 38: I do.

2202
01:47:00,747 --> 01:47:05,027
Speaker 3: Yeah, And yeah, it's interesting match management, isn't it. Yeah

2203
01:47:05,027 --> 01:47:08,027
Speaker 3: that you say that somebody quick thinking enough to say, right,

2204
01:47:08,067 --> 01:47:10,187
Speaker 3: if we come back here, they're going down to fourteen

2205
01:47:10,267 --> 01:47:13,187
Speaker 3: because the deliberate knock on you're talking about, isn't it correct?

2206
01:47:13,387 --> 01:47:13,587
Speaker 35: Yep?

2207
01:47:13,787 --> 01:47:16,787
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, it's such an interesting point. I guess in

2208
01:47:16,827 --> 01:47:19,027
Speaker 3: the heat of the moment, you know, the more experience

2209
01:47:19,107 --> 01:47:23,107
Speaker 3: you have, somebody makes that decision. It's always It's always

2210
01:47:23,267 --> 01:47:25,187
Speaker 3: interested me that as well, when you you know, when

2211
01:47:25,227 --> 01:47:28,107
Speaker 3: you have a pressure building and the referee says, hey,

2212
01:47:28,147 --> 01:47:30,547
Speaker 3: the next time you infringe, it's a yellow card. And

2213
01:47:31,147 --> 01:47:33,107
Speaker 3: then you score a try and it almost seems and

2214
01:47:33,147 --> 01:47:35,267
Speaker 3: they infringe again, but you go on to score a try.

2215
01:47:35,627 --> 01:47:38,547
Speaker 3: It's almost forgotten the fact that they're infringed. Should get

2216
01:47:38,547 --> 01:47:40,387
Speaker 3: the try and also send the guy, send the guy off,

2217
01:47:40,427 --> 01:47:42,107
Speaker 3: you know exactly.

2218
01:47:42,147 --> 01:47:45,067
Speaker 19: I just feel like players in the past, maybe DC,

2219
01:47:45,427 --> 01:47:48,707
Speaker 19: maybe maybe Conrad Smith, maybe those kind of players with

2220
01:47:48,827 --> 01:47:52,147
Speaker 19: that up you know, the real rugby intelligence would have

2221
01:47:52,227 --> 01:47:53,907
Speaker 19: just been like, you know, I'm just gonna chip this through.

2222
01:47:54,027 --> 01:47:56,427
Speaker 19: We're going to get get a penalty and they'll go

2223
01:47:56,547 --> 01:47:57,907
Speaker 19: upstairs and you know.

2224
01:47:57,987 --> 01:47:58,907
Speaker 22: Pull out the yellow card.

2225
01:47:59,627 --> 01:48:00,667
Speaker 26: That's just my thought on it.

2226
01:48:00,667 --> 01:48:02,827
Speaker 19: I've seen it quite a few times in this season.

2227
01:48:02,907 --> 01:48:04,547
Speaker 19: I just wondered, what you think.

2228
01:48:05,307 --> 01:48:07,467
Speaker 3: It's a great thought like, and I can't help but

2229
01:48:07,547 --> 01:48:10,227
Speaker 3: agree to them. I can't help but agree because yeah, look, yeah,

2230
01:48:10,267 --> 01:48:12,787
Speaker 3: guys with greater experience, just a call ahead and that

2231
01:48:12,867 --> 01:48:16,067
Speaker 3: situation may well have done exactly what you're suggesting. Good

2232
01:48:16,107 --> 01:48:18,667
Speaker 3: call mate, Drive safe, Thanks for your call. Nineteen away

2233
01:48:18,707 --> 01:48:21,027
Speaker 3: from two, When we come back. James mcconey in his

2234
01:48:21,147 --> 01:48:22,947
Speaker 3: regular Sunday slot one.

2235
01:48:22,987 --> 01:48:28,187
Speaker 1: Grudge Hold Engage Weekend Sport with Jason Tame and GJ.

2236
01:48:28,387 --> 01:48:31,107
Speaker 2: Gunnerhomes, New Zealand's first trusted home builder.

2237
01:48:31,267 --> 01:48:35,747
Speaker 3: News Talk coming up sixteen away from two Sunday Afternoons

2238
01:48:36,027 --> 01:48:38,307
Speaker 3: mean James Macony, Hello mate.

2239
01:48:38,947 --> 01:48:40,107
Speaker 11: Hi Pony. How are you?

2240
01:48:40,707 --> 01:48:43,067
Speaker 3: I'm good, I'm good. What did you what did you

2241
01:48:43,147 --> 01:48:48,827
Speaker 3: take them? What say you say that again? All that

2242
01:48:48,907 --> 01:48:53,907
Speaker 3: stuff board, your bonsoirs, all of those things. What did

2243
01:48:53,947 --> 01:48:56,587
Speaker 3: you take away from What did you take away from

2244
01:48:56,987 --> 01:48:58,147
Speaker 3: the Test match this morning?

2245
01:48:59,267 --> 01:49:00,907
Speaker 24: I enjoyed the Test match. I thought it was a

2246
01:49:00,947 --> 01:49:03,667
Speaker 24: great game. I think that's the general consensus. I thought

2247
01:49:03,667 --> 01:49:07,147
Speaker 24: it was scrappy though, but definitely good for world rugby.

2248
01:49:07,907 --> 01:49:11,907
Speaker 24: Probably helped Antoine DuPont with given that he's been seemed

2249
01:49:11,907 --> 01:49:17,387
Speaker 24: to be anointed with goat status already, but cam Rouygard

2250
01:49:17,507 --> 01:49:19,987
Speaker 24: definitely challenged him because I thought he was the best

2251
01:49:20,027 --> 01:49:21,827
Speaker 24: on the field for the All Blacks while he was

2252
01:49:21,867 --> 01:49:26,107
Speaker 24: out there, and overall, I don't think. I think it's

2253
01:49:26,147 --> 01:49:27,627
Speaker 24: just a case of our luck running out. We had

2254
01:49:27,707 --> 01:49:30,187
Speaker 24: luck against England, you know, George Ford hit in the

2255
01:49:30,267 --> 01:49:33,867
Speaker 24: post with that penalty, and in this situation we just

2256
01:49:34,827 --> 01:49:35,947
Speaker 24: you know, our luck ran out.

2257
01:49:37,027 --> 01:49:39,507
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a pretty good summation read.

2258
01:49:39,747 --> 01:49:40,147
Speaker 2: You know it was.

2259
01:49:40,867 --> 01:49:42,947
Speaker 3: I've said a couple of times this afternoon. If you weren't.

2260
01:49:43,347 --> 01:49:44,867
Speaker 3: If you weren't, you didn't have any skin in the

2261
01:49:44,907 --> 01:49:46,747
Speaker 3: game and just watched it as a as a as

2262
01:49:46,747 --> 01:49:48,627
Speaker 3: a test match. So that was a you know, that

2263
01:49:48,707 --> 01:49:50,667
Speaker 3: was an entertaining eighty minutes. I thought it was a

2264
01:49:50,667 --> 01:49:51,347
Speaker 3: good game.

2265
01:49:52,307 --> 01:49:54,867
Speaker 24: Yes, And look the other thing is there were some

2266
01:49:55,667 --> 01:49:57,947
Speaker 24: the benefits for the All Blacks I think are immense.

2267
01:49:58,027 --> 01:50:01,107
Speaker 24: So Peter Larco announced himself as a proper test player

2268
01:50:01,147 --> 01:50:04,107
Speaker 24: and in his exceptional had to come on in the

2269
01:50:04,427 --> 01:50:07,147
Speaker 24: second minute when pour O Summer Penny Fe now also

2270
01:50:07,267 --> 01:50:11,107
Speaker 24: known as Buffy, the first five Slayer had to go

2271
01:50:11,307 --> 01:50:14,507
Speaker 24: off injured. So seeing Lac out there was great. But

2272
01:50:14,987 --> 01:50:18,667
Speaker 24: and Artie was exceptional. You could see he's decided, right,

2273
01:50:18,707 --> 01:50:21,907
Speaker 24: I've got to lead from the front here. But you

2274
01:50:22,027 --> 01:50:24,867
Speaker 24: still miss Sam Caine. And the reason why is because

2275
01:50:25,467 --> 01:50:27,467
Speaker 24: our rock ball wasn't clean. And I think there was

2276
01:50:27,507 --> 01:50:31,347
Speaker 24: a close up shot of Mighty Williams looking around perplex

2277
01:50:31,467 --> 01:50:35,107
Speaker 24: going where are my cleaners? Where are the guys cleaning

2278
01:50:35,187 --> 01:50:37,947
Speaker 24: out this ruck? You know, he presented perfect ball, and

2279
01:50:38,027 --> 01:50:39,987
Speaker 24: I think that's where you actually do miss someone like

2280
01:50:40,107 --> 01:50:40,627
Speaker 24: Sam Kaine.

2281
01:50:41,347 --> 01:50:41,387
Speaker 18: No.

2282
01:50:41,467 --> 01:50:45,427
Speaker 3: A good point b is he definitely out next week.

2283
01:50:45,467 --> 01:50:47,027
Speaker 3: Could he play one more test for the All Blacks?

2284
01:50:47,027 --> 01:50:47,507
Speaker 3: I ever heard?

2285
01:50:47,547 --> 01:50:48,027
Speaker 23: You might not know.

2286
01:50:48,947 --> 01:50:50,507
Speaker 24: No, I don't know, but I mean I'd like to

2287
01:50:50,507 --> 01:50:52,547
Speaker 24: see him get one last hurrah if that's going to

2288
01:50:52,627 --> 01:50:55,867
Speaker 24: be for Sam Caine. There are a couple of points, Pinty,

2289
01:50:55,907 --> 01:50:58,547
Speaker 24: and I'm not sure maybe some of your listeners have

2290
01:50:58,707 --> 01:51:01,587
Speaker 24: raised this, but I thought the All Blacks under advantage.

2291
01:51:02,227 --> 01:51:04,747
Speaker 24: I've always felt this, we should be throwing the kitchen

2292
01:51:04,827 --> 01:51:07,547
Speaker 24: sink at them, you know, like, as soon as there's

2293
01:51:07,547 --> 01:51:10,867
Speaker 24: a penalty advantage, why not break open the glass with

2294
01:51:11,027 --> 01:51:12,507
Speaker 24: your emergency back line move that.

2295
01:51:12,547 --> 01:51:13,787
Speaker 11: You wouldn't normally use.

2296
01:51:13,867 --> 01:51:17,307
Speaker 24: It should be razzle dazzle because you're getting a penalty anyway.

2297
01:51:17,827 --> 01:51:21,107
Speaker 24: And to see us pick and go and then come back,

2298
01:51:21,507 --> 01:51:24,227
Speaker 24: you know, back to where they were, Like, you're expending

2299
01:51:24,307 --> 01:51:26,147
Speaker 24: so much energy doing that, you might as well have

2300
01:51:26,307 --> 01:51:28,507
Speaker 24: tried something. I mean, you might as well bond the

2301
01:51:28,587 --> 01:51:31,667
Speaker 24: end goal, right, that's the case. And then the other

2302
01:51:31,787 --> 01:51:35,307
Speaker 24: point was the before halftime. I think Boden took a

2303
01:51:35,387 --> 01:51:38,467
Speaker 24: forty meter drop goal and we were I think we

2304
01:51:38,547 --> 01:51:41,027
Speaker 24: had retreated twenty five meters, so we were up by

2305
01:51:41,067 --> 01:51:43,227
Speaker 24: the twenty two, which would have been a good place

2306
01:51:43,267 --> 01:51:46,067
Speaker 24: to have taken their drop goal, but for some reason

2307
01:51:46,147 --> 01:51:48,067
Speaker 24: it's sort of like we just went, oh, well, we

2308
01:51:48,147 --> 01:51:50,147
Speaker 24: couldn't break through and out. It's to try it from here,

2309
01:51:50,667 --> 01:51:52,947
Speaker 24: and I think maybe that just the planning in those

2310
01:51:52,987 --> 01:51:55,987
Speaker 24: situations would have been good. And plus they've got one

2311
01:51:56,027 --> 01:51:58,667
Speaker 24: more note here. Back line moves they're not really working.

2312
01:52:00,387 --> 01:52:03,227
Speaker 24: I counted clean brakes made. There were two by to

2313
01:52:03,347 --> 01:52:07,587
Speaker 24: Mighty Williams and maybe one by roy Guard. So there's

2314
01:52:07,587 --> 01:52:08,347
Speaker 24: a few work ons.

2315
01:52:08,747 --> 01:52:12,147
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, absolutely there are work ons. Did you catch

2316
01:52:12,187 --> 01:52:14,787
Speaker 3: any of the England South Africa game that preceded this one.

2317
01:52:14,827 --> 01:52:17,027
Speaker 3: I kind of had half an eye on it, South

2318
01:52:17,027 --> 01:52:19,227
Speaker 3: Africa winning at twenty nine twenty So that's back to

2319
01:52:19,347 --> 01:52:22,467
Speaker 3: back losses for England at Twickenham, which I think we

2320
01:52:22,507 --> 01:52:25,027
Speaker 3: can all probably have a little smile about that. Did

2321
01:52:25,027 --> 01:52:25,947
Speaker 3: you catch any of this game?

2322
01:52:26,867 --> 01:52:29,107
Speaker 24: I did see it, and I saw that Cheslyn Colby

2323
01:52:29,347 --> 01:52:34,627
Speaker 24: is still exceptional and tormenting England like he did in

2324
01:52:34,707 --> 01:52:37,427
Speaker 24: that World Cup final in twenty nineteen. But what it

2325
01:52:37,547 --> 01:52:40,507
Speaker 24: says to me is that I think Rassi Rasmus is

2326
01:52:40,587 --> 01:52:42,067
Speaker 24: trying to do a bit of a Donald Trump here

2327
01:52:42,107 --> 01:52:45,587
Speaker 24: and make South African rugby great again in between World Cups,

2328
01:52:45,907 --> 01:52:49,507
Speaker 24: because before there always was a hangover period for South

2329
01:52:49,547 --> 01:52:52,707
Speaker 24: Africa when you know, for some reason you could just

2330
01:52:53,427 --> 01:52:56,747
Speaker 24: get a win over them and you wonder what happened

2331
01:52:56,747 --> 01:52:58,627
Speaker 24: to the South Africa of a hold, Whereas I feel

2332
01:52:58,707 --> 01:53:01,827
Speaker 24: like Rassi is pretty much going around saying we're number

2333
01:53:01,867 --> 01:53:04,187
Speaker 24: one and we're going to prove it every single time,

2334
01:53:04,587 --> 01:53:08,347
Speaker 24: which is in France, this is kind of doing the same,

2335
01:53:08,467 --> 01:53:11,107
Speaker 24: which is good to see. Really, I don't think I've

2336
01:53:11,107 --> 01:53:14,787
Speaker 24: ever seen the top five of world rugby be this

2337
01:53:14,947 --> 01:53:16,147
Speaker 24: competitive for a long time.

2338
01:53:16,627 --> 01:53:16,827
Speaker 26: Yeah.

2339
01:53:16,867 --> 01:53:20,027
Speaker 3: In Australia will hope to rejoin that kind of conversation

2340
01:53:20,147 --> 01:53:23,547
Speaker 3: at some point. They've got Wales tomorrow morning, who are terrible.

2341
01:53:24,467 --> 01:53:26,307
Speaker 3: The Wallaby should win this one, I think their firm

2342
01:53:26,387 --> 01:53:30,867
Speaker 3: favorites and Cardiff. But Joseph Sauali has been after his

2343
01:53:31,267 --> 01:53:34,787
Speaker 3: very impressive debut, Jos Schmitz put him on the reserves. Bend.

2344
01:53:34,947 --> 01:53:36,267
Speaker 3: What did you make of his debut and what did

2345
01:53:36,267 --> 01:53:37,187
Speaker 3: you make of that decision?

2346
01:53:38,187 --> 01:53:40,827
Speaker 24: Well, one of the great debuts. Man of the match

2347
01:53:40,867 --> 01:53:45,067
Speaker 24: that Towik in that victory. I mean he is a

2348
01:53:45,187 --> 01:53:48,707
Speaker 24: freaky six foot four, six foot five. I think about

2349
01:53:48,707 --> 01:53:50,587
Speaker 24: your hype. Piney can run a bit faster than you,

2350
01:53:51,107 --> 01:53:54,547
Speaker 24: and he's just an incredible athlete who there was a

2351
01:53:54,587 --> 01:53:56,907
Speaker 24: big battle when he was a schoolboy whether he go

2352
01:53:57,027 --> 01:53:59,507
Speaker 24: to union or league, and he went to league and

2353
01:53:59,587 --> 01:54:01,627
Speaker 24: that's probably helped him in a lot of ways, you know,

2354
01:54:01,787 --> 01:54:04,827
Speaker 24: with the being in a professional environment straight away and

2355
01:54:04,907 --> 01:54:07,387
Speaker 24: the conditioning they do and get him up to speed.

2356
01:54:07,867 --> 01:54:10,307
Speaker 24: But I think he could be the greatest convert, if

2357
01:54:10,347 --> 01:54:13,027
Speaker 24: you can really call him a league convert. I think

2358
01:54:13,067 --> 01:54:16,547
Speaker 24: he could be the greatest because for Australia, I mean

2359
01:54:16,667 --> 01:54:20,627
Speaker 24: flow was probably equally great in both codes. He might

2360
01:54:20,707 --> 01:54:23,827
Speaker 24: be the greatest, But I always felt like Wendel's sailor

2361
01:54:24,427 --> 01:54:27,267
Speaker 24: Lodding to carry all those other ones that came across,

2362
01:54:27,307 --> 01:54:29,987
Speaker 24: even brad Thorne. You'd say his body of working and

2363
01:54:30,147 --> 01:54:34,387
Speaker 24: the league was was almost equal, if not better to rugby.

2364
01:54:34,987 --> 01:54:37,467
Speaker 24: So now I think this is this, you know, it's

2365
01:54:37,507 --> 01:54:41,387
Speaker 24: a superstar is born really with Joseph to alit. And

2366
01:54:41,587 --> 01:54:45,587
Speaker 24: I'm also thinking, well, our own Joseph, Joey Marnu has

2367
01:54:45,627 --> 01:54:47,867
Speaker 24: switched to rugby and so how long will it take

2368
01:54:47,947 --> 01:54:50,907
Speaker 24: for him to get in there. I did mention back

2369
01:54:50,947 --> 01:54:54,187
Speaker 24: on moves and lack of penetration there in the midfield.

2370
01:54:54,707 --> 01:54:58,027
Speaker 24: Maybe Joseph Marty could get a shot in the near future.

2371
01:54:58,587 --> 01:55:01,107
Speaker 3: Do you remember that guy Ian Crosshm who played for

2372
01:55:01,187 --> 01:55:02,827
Speaker 3: South Ones for a bit Bay of plenty and then

2373
01:55:02,907 --> 01:55:05,107
Speaker 3: went across and played for South some and Cronella.

2374
01:55:05,387 --> 01:55:07,907
Speaker 24: Yeah, exactly, even nudge that the player's going in the

2375
01:55:07,987 --> 01:55:11,347
Speaker 24: other direction. I mean Scott Goolay, did it. Remember there's

2376
01:55:11,347 --> 01:55:15,267
Speaker 24: a show. I mean, there's there's there's a lot of

2377
01:55:15,267 --> 01:55:18,267
Speaker 24: that sort of going either way. But look, I think

2378
01:55:18,787 --> 01:55:22,467
Speaker 24: surely he is probably gonna if he can eclipse Flowers

2379
01:55:22,507 --> 01:55:25,107
Speaker 24: body of workers impressive, but I think so early he

2380
01:55:25,227 --> 01:55:27,027
Speaker 24: looks like he could do it. He could be in

2381
01:55:27,107 --> 01:55:27,947
Speaker 24: the greatest comment.

2382
01:55:28,307 --> 01:55:30,867
Speaker 3: I'm not sure why Crossing popped into my head. Actually,

2383
01:55:31,507 --> 01:55:34,747
Speaker 3: that's a very it's a very niche, very niche reference

2384
01:55:34,747 --> 01:55:36,947
Speaker 3: when we're talking rugby union rugby league converts.

2385
01:55:37,547 --> 01:55:39,387
Speaker 24: Daryl Halligan obviously one other great.

2386
01:55:39,347 --> 01:55:42,347
Speaker 3: Of course, of course, of course, Hey, there was a

2387
01:55:42,387 --> 01:55:45,227
Speaker 3: boxing fight. It was about yesterday between YouTube and a

2388
01:55:45,267 --> 01:55:46,547
Speaker 3: fifty eight year old. Did you watch it?

2389
01:55:47,547 --> 01:55:49,747
Speaker 24: Yeah, unfortunately I did. I didn't want to, but as

2390
01:55:49,787 --> 01:55:51,867
Speaker 24: soon as I saw that shot of Mike Tyson and

2391
01:55:51,947 --> 01:55:54,307
Speaker 24: the g string somehow it sort of lured me in.

2392
01:55:55,027 --> 01:55:57,667
Speaker 24: I just don't know why what's going on, but I

2393
01:55:57,867 --> 01:56:01,227
Speaker 24: saw him and it was it was on the acc

2394
01:56:01,387 --> 01:56:04,867
Speaker 24: of course, alternative commentary collectives social media pace. So I thought,

2395
01:56:04,907 --> 01:56:07,827
Speaker 24: I'll get on Netflix and have a and like everybody,

2396
01:56:07,867 --> 01:56:09,907
Speaker 24: I thought, Plica needs to win it in the first

2397
01:56:09,987 --> 01:56:12,827
Speaker 24: round or you know, early in the second, or it's

2398
01:56:12,867 --> 01:56:16,467
Speaker 24: all over. And it was all over, just a points decision.

2399
01:56:16,547 --> 01:56:18,947
Speaker 24: But I think it's anti sport to me. I don't

2400
01:56:18,987 --> 01:56:22,867
Speaker 24: think it's just really a circus side show. And just

2401
01:56:22,947 --> 01:56:24,787
Speaker 24: in terms of being fifty eight, I mean, I'm not

2402
01:56:24,907 --> 01:56:27,907
Speaker 24: fail off that myself. But can you remember when George

2403
01:56:27,947 --> 01:56:30,707
Speaker 24: Foreman came back, when he made his has comeback in

2404
01:56:31,187 --> 01:56:34,627
Speaker 24: nineteen eighty seven, he was thirty eight, and everybody thought

2405
01:56:34,707 --> 01:56:35,227
Speaker 24: that was old.

2406
01:56:35,707 --> 01:56:38,747
Speaker 11: You know, Yeah, that's just fifty.

2407
01:56:38,507 --> 01:56:42,067
Speaker 24: Eight is a bridge too far, and that there's no

2408
01:56:42,187 --> 01:56:45,747
Speaker 24: point to do that if boxing what it really needs

2409
01:56:45,787 --> 01:56:48,587
Speaker 24: to do is get that kind of audience for their

2410
01:56:49,147 --> 01:56:52,387
Speaker 24: top athletes so they can feel well aggrieved that they're

2411
01:56:52,427 --> 01:56:55,987
Speaker 24: not getting twenty million dollars US or forty million. Perhaps

2412
01:56:56,547 --> 01:56:59,827
Speaker 24: I was talking about the purse for both fighters.

2413
01:57:00,307 --> 01:57:03,227
Speaker 3: Yeah, crazy, I got about sixty seconds. Tim Salvey is

2414
01:57:03,227 --> 01:57:06,027
Speaker 3: going to retire from international Test cricket after the upcoming

2415
01:57:06,067 --> 01:57:08,587
Speaker 3: series he's against England. How will you remember him?

2416
01:57:10,027 --> 01:57:12,867
Speaker 24: I remember him as someone who was exceptional, got every

2417
01:57:12,907 --> 01:57:18,067
Speaker 24: ounce of talent, every who's sort of squeezed every ounce

2418
01:57:18,187 --> 01:57:19,947
Speaker 24: out of his talent. I think he used as much

2419
01:57:19,947 --> 01:57:22,667
Speaker 24: as he possibly could to get those three hundred and

2420
01:57:22,707 --> 01:57:26,947
Speaker 24: eighty five Test wickets like the Pinkball Test and Eden

2421
01:57:27,027 --> 01:57:29,987
Speaker 24: Park stands out. I think he just him and Trent

2422
01:57:30,067 --> 01:57:33,347
Speaker 24: Bolt were an awesome duo. He's on the mount rushmore

2423
01:57:33,827 --> 01:57:37,027
Speaker 24: of top New Zealand bowlers and good on him. He'll

2424
01:57:37,027 --> 01:57:38,547
Speaker 24: get a chance to sort of bow out on his

2425
01:57:38,667 --> 01:57:43,187
Speaker 24: own terms. But look, Tim Souvey, is he sort of

2426
01:57:43,547 --> 01:57:46,827
Speaker 24: looked a bit you know and gainly didn't he when

2427
01:57:46,867 --> 01:57:48,787
Speaker 24: he first turned up? But I think it was Ricky

2428
01:57:48,827 --> 01:57:51,107
Speaker 24: Ponting he said this kid's going to be good and

2429
01:57:51,227 --> 01:57:53,707
Speaker 24: he was right grade seven of his Zealand cricket.

2430
01:57:54,147 --> 01:57:56,387
Speaker 3: Well said mate, Well said James. Great to ten as

2431
01:57:56,387 --> 01:57:58,627
Speaker 3: always mate, We'll do it again next Sunday. James mccaroney,

2432
01:57:58,827 --> 01:58:00,987
Speaker 3: part of our Sundays here on Newstalk, said, be seven

2433
01:58:01,107 --> 01:58:01,907
Speaker 3: away from two.

2434
01:58:03,187 --> 01:58:07,707
Speaker 2: Down to the line. You made a call on Weekend

2435
01:58:07,787 --> 01:58:11,387
Speaker 2: Sport with Jason Pine News Talks HEB four to two.

2436
01:58:11,467 --> 01:58:14,307
Speaker 3: All right after two o'clock will mop up a little

2437
01:58:14,307 --> 01:58:16,667
Speaker 3: bit of residual all Blacks stuff. I got a head

2438
01:58:16,667 --> 01:58:18,627
Speaker 3: from cam roy Garden. A few more texts which I

2439
01:58:18,667 --> 01:58:20,107
Speaker 3: do want to read out because a lot of good

2440
01:58:20,147 --> 01:58:23,147
Speaker 3: points have been made. But first up after two o'clock

2441
01:58:23,187 --> 01:58:25,787
Speaker 3: in case you missed it. And then the Butcher Finn

2442
01:58:25,827 --> 01:58:29,107
Speaker 3: Butcher gold medalist and the kayak cross at the Paris

2443
01:58:29,147 --> 01:58:31,867
Speaker 3: Olympics just over one hundred days. Since he's still on

2444
01:58:31,907 --> 01:58:33,987
Speaker 3: top of that podium, how does he reflect on it?

2445
01:58:34,107 --> 01:58:36,987
Speaker 3: Finn Butcher after two and also Michael Boxel out of

2446
01:58:37,027 --> 01:58:37,507
Speaker 3: the all whites.

2447
01:58:38,547 --> 01:58:42,707
Speaker 1: The only place for the big names, the big issues,

2448
01:58:43,507 --> 01:58:48,387
Speaker 1: the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on

2449
01:58:48,547 --> 01:58:52,307
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your home of Sport

2450
01:58:52,787 --> 01:58:53,667
Speaker 1: News Talks.

2451
01:58:53,467 --> 01:58:58,307
Speaker 3: EDB two o seven. Welcome into the show. This is

2452
01:58:58,347 --> 01:59:01,747
Speaker 3: Weekend Sport on News Talks EDB at least until three anyway.

2453
01:59:01,907 --> 01:59:04,267
Speaker 3: Tim Beverage takes over after that with the Sunday edition

2454
01:59:04,867 --> 01:59:09,267
Speaker 3: of the Weekend coll This hour Finn Butcher standing by

2455
01:59:09,307 --> 01:59:12,507
Speaker 3: the chat to us, I think three or four months ago,

2456
01:59:13,587 --> 01:59:16,107
Speaker 3: most people in New Zealand wouldn't have known who Finn

2457
01:59:16,147 --> 01:59:20,347
Speaker 3: Butcher was. But after his feats at the Paris Olympic Games,

2458
01:59:20,987 --> 01:59:26,707
Speaker 3: he became an overnight superstar and rightly so terrific what

2459
01:59:26,827 --> 01:59:29,227
Speaker 3: he did in Paris. Has had a bit of time

2460
01:59:29,307 --> 01:59:32,307
Speaker 3: to reflect on it, about one hundred days actually, so

2461
01:59:32,427 --> 01:59:34,867
Speaker 3: Finn Butcher gonna have a chat to us about his

2462
01:59:35,067 --> 01:59:38,267
Speaker 3: wonderful time at the Paris Olympics, what stands out most

2463
01:59:38,347 --> 01:59:41,907
Speaker 3: vividly and what lies ahead for him? Also this hour,

2464
01:59:42,027 --> 01:59:43,627
Speaker 3: your Whites are in camp. At the moment they beat

2465
01:59:43,707 --> 01:59:47,707
Speaker 3: Vanuatu comfortably in Hamilton on Friday night eight one, they

2466
01:59:47,787 --> 01:59:50,227
Speaker 3: take on some more or tomorrow night Mount Smart Stadium

2467
01:59:50,787 --> 01:59:53,307
Speaker 3: in the second of their World Cup qualifiers. In this window,

2468
01:59:53,747 --> 01:59:56,867
Speaker 3: doesn't matter what happens tomorrow night. They are assured of

2469
01:59:56,907 --> 02:00:00,227
Speaker 3: a place in the Oceania semi finals of World Cup

2470
02:00:00,307 --> 02:00:06,507
Speaker 3: qualifying that is next March, and then the final to

2471
02:00:06,587 --> 02:00:09,267
Speaker 3: follow automatic qualification up for grabs for the winner of

2472
02:00:09,307 --> 02:00:11,787
Speaker 3: Oceania for the next World Cup. So your White's looking

2473
02:00:11,907 --> 02:00:15,067
Speaker 3: very good to achieve just that. Michael Boxel out of

2474
02:00:15,147 --> 02:00:17,907
Speaker 3: the All Whites camp and will mop up the remaining

2475
02:00:17,947 --> 02:00:20,827
Speaker 3: correspondence and bits and pieces from the All Blacks France

2476
02:00:20,947 --> 02:00:24,307
Speaker 3: test match this morning. You can continue to get in

2477
02:00:24,387 --> 02:00:26,067
Speaker 3: touch across the next hour or so if you'd like

2478
02:00:26,507 --> 02:00:28,147
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty to get on the

2479
02:00:28,187 --> 02:00:30,587
Speaker 3: phone nine two, nine to two on text. But we've

2480
02:00:30,627 --> 02:00:32,827
Speaker 3: just gone eight past two, So as we always do,

2481
02:00:33,387 --> 02:00:35,667
Speaker 3: let's get you up to date with some of the

2482
02:00:35,707 --> 02:00:38,227
Speaker 3: stuff that might have escaped your attention as you were

2483
02:00:38,267 --> 02:00:40,467
Speaker 3: doing other things over the last little while. You might

2484
02:00:40,547 --> 02:00:42,707
Speaker 3: have missed some of the sport that's been going on,

2485
02:00:42,907 --> 02:00:45,147
Speaker 3: so we've pulled it together for you in case you

2486
02:00:45,267 --> 02:00:47,147
Speaker 3: missed it. As the name of the feature, we start

2487
02:00:47,187 --> 02:00:51,387
Speaker 3: in Australia and the Australian cricket team avenging their ODI

2488
02:00:51,707 --> 02:00:56,107
Speaker 3: series loss to Pakistan in the T twenty series. Who's

2489
02:00:56,147 --> 02:00:59,067
Speaker 3: the call? Don't think of that back for a second.

2490
02:00:59,227 --> 02:01:00,987
Speaker 3: He's going to be in real trouble there and that

2491
02:01:01,187 --> 02:01:05,427
Speaker 3: runout attracted by the captain. We'll see him when his

2492
02:01:05,667 --> 02:01:10,547
Speaker 3: first series YEP, Australia winning the second T twenty by

2493
02:01:10,627 --> 02:01:14,107
Speaker 3: thirteen runs one forty seven for nine plays one hundred

2494
02:01:14,147 --> 02:01:16,587
Speaker 3: and thirty four all out, locking up the T twenty

2495
02:01:16,627 --> 02:01:19,147
Speaker 3: series for the game to spare, the Breakers a bank

2496
02:01:19,227 --> 02:01:21,627
Speaker 3: with a win over the Kings. Taipe hands away from Home.

2497
02:01:21,827 --> 02:01:27,267
Speaker 3: Jackson cart Wright nestles that one home New Zealand mode to.

2498
02:01:27,347 --> 02:01:31,147
Speaker 9: Seven and three and at least for now put themselves

2499
02:01:31,307 --> 02:01:34,307
Speaker 9: back to the top of the NBL standings.

2500
02:01:34,587 --> 02:01:38,907
Speaker 3: Impressive win on King's Taipans Home court at the King's

2501
02:01:38,987 --> 02:01:44,107
Speaker 3: Convention Center, seventy seven sixty nine, the Breakers winning last night,

2502
02:01:44,507 --> 02:01:47,027
Speaker 3: the Supercars titles being locked up with a race to

2503
02:01:47,107 --> 02:01:47,787
Speaker 3: spare for.

2504
02:01:47,947 --> 02:01:50,227
Speaker 39: Will Brown, who's on the left hand side of screen.

2505
02:01:50,867 --> 02:01:54,747
Speaker 39: He was the Formula four champion in twenty sixteen, eighty

2506
02:01:54,787 --> 02:01:56,627
Speaker 39: six champion in twenty sixteen.

2507
02:01:58,107 --> 02:02:00,187
Speaker 2: In twenty sixteen, TCR.

2508
02:01:59,827 --> 02:02:02,867
Speaker 39: Champion in twenty nineteen, runner up in Dunlop Super two,

2509
02:02:03,347 --> 02:02:07,027
Speaker 39: and he is now in twenty twenty four the Red

2510
02:02:07,147 --> 02:02:08,947
Speaker 39: Coast Supercars champion.

2511
02:02:09,147 --> 02:02:11,027
Speaker 3: Here there you go, brock Fenney winning the race, but

2512
02:02:11,107 --> 02:02:14,787
Speaker 3: that's mentioned. Will Brown taking home the season drivers championship

2513
02:02:15,227 --> 02:02:18,707
Speaker 3: and to some more international rugby. Scotland far too strong

2514
02:02:18,827 --> 02:02:20,147
Speaker 3: as expected for Portugal.

2515
02:02:21,307 --> 02:02:24,267
Speaker 38: Love the Husband, his things, the cry to Reeds, the

2516
02:02:24,507 --> 02:02:32,987
Speaker 38: Scots him away, untouched, Scotland dropping it up, framed in

2517
02:02:33,067 --> 02:02:34,147
Speaker 38: the gears in a touch.

2518
02:02:34,427 --> 02:02:36,587
Speaker 3: The final score there fifty nine to twenty one to

2519
02:02:36,667 --> 02:02:40,147
Speaker 3: Scotland and a twenty nine points to twenty one for

2520
02:02:40,227 --> 02:02:43,267
Speaker 3: the spring Box over England. At Twickener, Carlard.

2521
02:02:43,067 --> 02:02:44,307
Speaker 2: Balancing around on his toes.

2522
02:02:44,387 --> 02:02:45,547
Speaker 5: It's Delande first.

2523
02:02:45,587 --> 02:02:49,947
Speaker 38: However, when he's got through the Duke's strength and then

2524
02:02:50,027 --> 02:02:51,787
Speaker 38: the past two curvy.

2525
02:02:53,107 --> 02:02:54,467
Speaker 2: And curb, his feet.

2526
02:02:54,347 --> 02:02:55,947
Speaker 6: Take ten over the line.

2527
02:02:56,947 --> 02:03:05,027
Speaker 3: Double doo doo. It continues to be a ble English autumn.

2528
02:03:06,587 --> 02:03:09,187
Speaker 1: The scoop from the trag Field and the Court on

2529
02:03:09,347 --> 02:03:13,027
Speaker 1: your home of Sport Weekend Sport with Jason Vine.

2530
02:03:12,947 --> 02:03:16,267
Speaker 3: Youth Talks in me eleven minutes past two. One of

2531
02:03:16,347 --> 02:03:20,107
Speaker 3: the undoubted highlights of the Paris Olympic Games this year

2532
02:03:20,307 --> 02:03:24,827
Speaker 3: was Finn Butcher winning gold in the inaugural Olympic kayak

2533
02:03:25,067 --> 02:03:25,827
Speaker 3: cross event.

2534
02:03:26,107 --> 02:03:29,427
Speaker 40: There it is they plunge in whereas Butcher positioned himself.

2535
02:03:29,827 --> 02:03:32,787
Speaker 40: He's made a strong start. Butcher, he's in first, He's

2536
02:03:32,867 --> 02:03:35,267
Speaker 40: in the gold midal position as they make their way

2537
02:03:35,347 --> 02:03:38,507
Speaker 40: down the course and he's got a two boat length lead.

2538
02:03:39,067 --> 02:03:42,667
Speaker 40: Superb start for Butcher. He hits around gate number one

2539
02:03:43,187 --> 02:03:48,787
Speaker 40: and powers his way down the whitewater rapids. He completes

2540
02:03:48,867 --> 02:03:53,147
Speaker 40: the Eskimo role and hits for the first upstream gates.

2541
02:03:53,507 --> 02:03:57,187
Speaker 40: Finn Butcher is still in the gold middle position as

2542
02:03:57,267 --> 02:04:00,547
Speaker 40: he makes his way down the course through gate number three.

2543
02:04:01,347 --> 02:04:05,627
Speaker 40: It's the Brits behind him, Joseph Clark. Finn Butcher with

2544
02:04:05,747 --> 02:04:10,147
Speaker 40: about a length advantage. Now as the Britz Clark makes

2545
02:04:10,227 --> 02:04:12,547
Speaker 40: in roads. He's around gate five. He has to go

2546
02:04:12,627 --> 02:04:16,547
Speaker 40: across the grain here Butcher through gate six. Two gates

2547
02:04:16,587 --> 02:04:21,907
Speaker 40: to go through seven, the all important upstream gates for

2548
02:04:22,067 --> 02:04:25,387
Speaker 40: Finn Butcher just as to navigate it safely and the.

2549
02:04:25,467 --> 02:04:26,387
Speaker 2: Gold medal is his.

2550
02:04:27,427 --> 02:04:33,147
Speaker 40: Finn Butcher is an Olympic champion.

2551
02:04:35,147 --> 02:04:37,467
Speaker 3: Can you believe it?

2552
02:04:38,987 --> 02:04:40,307
Speaker 6: Carve his name.

2553
02:04:40,907 --> 02:04:43,187
Speaker 2: Into New Zealand's sport history.

2554
02:04:43,827 --> 02:04:48,867
Speaker 40: The Butcher delivers the goods in Paris.

2555
02:04:49,867 --> 02:04:54,667
Speaker 3: Tremendous, tremendous commentary from Nick Beuley that brings it all back.

2556
02:04:54,747 --> 02:04:58,027
Speaker 3: Finn Butcher is with us now, just over one hundred

2557
02:04:58,147 --> 02:05:00,667
Speaker 3: days since that happened, Finn, since you stood on top

2558
02:05:00,707 --> 02:05:03,547
Speaker 3: of that podium with the gold medal around Jeanette, what

2559
02:05:03,667 --> 02:05:05,907
Speaker 3: stands out the most when you when you think back

2560
02:05:05,907 --> 02:05:09,387
Speaker 3: one hundred days or so, Yeah.

2561
02:05:10,267 --> 02:05:13,467
Speaker 35: Oh man, quite a lot, to be honest, Like it

2562
02:05:13,827 --> 02:05:17,427
Speaker 35: was such an enjoyable time in my life, and yeah,

2563
02:05:17,507 --> 02:05:22,867
Speaker 35: something I'll never forget. But look, I think we really

2564
02:05:22,947 --> 02:05:25,907
Speaker 35: went to the game with you know, obviously wanting to

2565
02:05:26,147 --> 02:05:29,307
Speaker 35: perform well and stand on the box, but also to

2566
02:05:30,347 --> 02:05:32,747
Speaker 35: enjoy the whole thing because because you know, I've spoken

2567
02:05:32,747 --> 02:05:34,267
Speaker 35: to a lot of people who have been to the

2568
02:05:34,307 --> 02:05:37,827
Speaker 35: game before and maybe not let themselves enjoy it because

2569
02:05:37,827 --> 02:05:41,187
Speaker 35: I've put so much pressure on themselves and then potentially

2570
02:05:41,347 --> 02:05:44,107
Speaker 35: not even not performed well because of that. So I

2571
02:05:44,227 --> 02:05:48,747
Speaker 35: think probably actually just what stands out as the way

2572
02:05:48,867 --> 02:05:54,267
Speaker 35: that I myself but also Aaron, my coach, we let

2573
02:05:54,347 --> 02:05:57,387
Speaker 35: ourselves enjoy the moment and gave ourselves little time to

2574
02:05:57,387 --> 02:05:59,627
Speaker 35: where we can just pause and look up into the

2575
02:05:59,667 --> 02:06:02,947
Speaker 35: crowd and be like, holy, you know, look at that's

2576
02:06:03,027 --> 02:06:05,587
Speaker 35: pretty cool to be to be here and to be

2577
02:06:05,667 --> 02:06:09,507
Speaker 35: there with each other and kind of go full circle together.

2578
02:06:09,587 --> 02:06:13,707
Speaker 35: And yeah, obviously, you know, standing on the podium and

2579
02:06:14,547 --> 02:06:18,867
Speaker 35: hearing the national wins and getting played was probably something that, yeah,

2580
02:06:18,947 --> 02:06:20,307
Speaker 35: I'll never forget, that's for sure.

2581
02:06:20,787 --> 02:06:22,987
Speaker 3: Do you think perhaps in hindsight, the fact you were

2582
02:06:23,107 --> 02:06:26,307
Speaker 3: in a slightly more relaxed state, as you've just outlined,

2583
02:06:26,707 --> 02:06:29,067
Speaker 3: might have been one of the reasons for your success.

2584
02:06:31,067 --> 02:06:35,067
Speaker 35: Yeah, I mean I think though, Look, because it was

2585
02:06:35,147 --> 02:06:39,587
Speaker 35: my first games, I spoke to a lot of peoplehoo

2586
02:06:39,587 --> 02:06:42,027
Speaker 35: had been before and you know, been around and my

2587
02:06:42,187 --> 02:06:44,707
Speaker 35: a lot of my support team has gone through multiple

2588
02:06:44,707 --> 02:06:49,587
Speaker 35: Olympic cycles, so you know, having all those people to sort.

2589
02:06:49,427 --> 02:06:50,067
Speaker 22: Of guide me and.

2590
02:06:52,147 --> 02:06:54,187
Speaker 35: And you know, like educate me and let me know

2591
02:06:54,307 --> 02:06:58,307
Speaker 35: that it is a pretty crazy event. But you know,

2592
02:06:58,427 --> 02:07:01,147
Speaker 35: we just wanted to focus on the things that we

2593
02:07:01,227 --> 02:07:05,307
Speaker 35: could control. And you know, you can kind of approach

2594
02:07:05,427 --> 02:07:06,907
Speaker 35: things to different ways.

2595
02:07:06,947 --> 02:07:09,027
Speaker 22: You can let them sort of overwhelm you and.

2596
02:07:09,067 --> 02:07:10,867
Speaker 35: Stress you out if something goes wrong, you know, like

2597
02:07:11,387 --> 02:07:14,107
Speaker 35: the bus breaks down or it's gone the wrong side

2598
02:07:14,107 --> 02:07:17,747
Speaker 35: of Paris, which happens, you know, you can get stressed

2599
02:07:17,747 --> 02:07:20,387
Speaker 35: out and let it overwhelm you or just you know,

2600
02:07:20,587 --> 02:07:23,347
Speaker 35: take it in your stride. And I think it probably

2601
02:07:24,587 --> 02:07:28,427
Speaker 35: it's probably my nature anyway. So it was just, yeah,

2602
02:07:28,507 --> 02:07:33,387
Speaker 35: trying to almost let myself be who I am. And yeah,

2603
02:07:33,427 --> 02:07:35,947
Speaker 35: I mean it could have gone either way, but I

2604
02:07:36,067 --> 02:07:39,627
Speaker 35: think it definitely contributed to being in a good hit

2605
02:07:39,707 --> 02:07:42,507
Speaker 35: space when I was, you know, on those days, sliding

2606
02:07:42,547 --> 02:07:45,627
Speaker 35: off the ramp and going for it. So yeah, I

2607
02:07:45,707 --> 02:07:48,467
Speaker 35: think I think it was a pretty pretty crucial aspect

2608
02:07:48,587 --> 02:07:51,307
Speaker 35: and yeah, definitely something I'm pretty proud of.

2609
02:07:51,867 --> 02:07:53,987
Speaker 3: So the kayak cross was the second of your events.

2610
02:07:54,107 --> 02:07:56,027
Speaker 3: You had the kayak single first of all. Did it

2611
02:07:56,107 --> 02:07:59,267
Speaker 3: help to have that events before the kayak Cross?

2612
02:08:01,347 --> 02:08:02,027
Speaker 22: Yeah, I think so.

2613
02:08:02,467 --> 02:08:07,347
Speaker 35: So, like we had basically six days of Canous Slalom

2614
02:08:07,467 --> 02:08:10,707
Speaker 35: and then four days of Kayak Cross. So the first

2615
02:08:10,827 --> 02:08:15,067
Speaker 35: three days of Canusalem was the Woman's Kayak and the

2616
02:08:15,187 --> 02:08:17,707
Speaker 35: men See one, which are neither of my events. So

2617
02:08:18,307 --> 02:08:21,627
Speaker 35: we had three days before I even started racing, so

2618
02:08:21,747 --> 02:08:25,267
Speaker 35: we could kind of go to the venue and pick

2619
02:08:25,307 --> 02:08:29,467
Speaker 35: and choose, you know, the moments where I wanted to

2620
02:08:29,547 --> 02:08:32,187
Speaker 35: go and watch and really kind of get used to

2621
02:08:32,267 --> 02:08:36,427
Speaker 35: the atmosphere. So then when I actually started the Canus slalom,

2622
02:08:36,507 --> 02:08:40,707
Speaker 35: it wasn't you know, just hitting me in the face

2623
02:08:40,787 --> 02:08:44,467
Speaker 35: and overwhelming, So that definitely helped for the slalom, and

2624
02:08:44,547 --> 02:08:46,667
Speaker 35: I think yeah, So by the time I got to

2625
02:08:46,707 --> 02:08:47,467
Speaker 35: the slalom.

2626
02:08:47,187 --> 02:08:49,107
Speaker 22: It was already you know, three days of competition.

2627
02:08:49,187 --> 02:08:51,147
Speaker 35: I'd watched a fear of it and kind of been

2628
02:08:51,187 --> 02:08:54,627
Speaker 35: around the venue when it was full of spectators and everything.

2629
02:08:54,747 --> 02:08:57,147
Speaker 35: So by the time where I started the slalom, I

2630
02:08:57,267 --> 02:08:59,347
Speaker 35: was already pretty used to it and in a good

2631
02:08:59,907 --> 02:09:06,987
Speaker 35: relaxed headspace. And then yeah, like finishing that actually pretty

2632
02:09:07,027 --> 02:09:10,387
Speaker 35: disappointed because I got a fifty sid impunity for missing

2633
02:09:10,427 --> 02:09:13,547
Speaker 35: a gate, so didn't really finish where I wanted to be.

2634
02:09:13,707 --> 02:09:17,147
Speaker 35: But you know, I'd already had a good hit out.

2635
02:09:17,427 --> 02:09:20,627
Speaker 35: I knew I was in good physical shape, and yeah,

2636
02:09:20,707 --> 02:09:22,747
Speaker 35: like I said, like I say, I was in a

2637
02:09:22,787 --> 02:09:25,947
Speaker 35: pretty good headspace. So going into the cross, I sort

2638
02:09:25,987 --> 02:09:29,347
Speaker 35: of knew that, you know, if I if I can

2639
02:09:29,427 --> 02:09:31,747
Speaker 35: paddle to the way that I know I can, then

2640
02:09:32,427 --> 02:09:33,507
Speaker 35: we'll be in for a good shout.

2641
02:09:33,587 --> 02:09:36,187
Speaker 22: And if anyone watched the kite cross.

2642
02:09:36,147 --> 02:09:40,227
Speaker 35: You sort of you know, anything can happen, So we

2643
02:09:40,387 --> 02:09:45,267
Speaker 35: could just basically focus on the start and then just

2644
02:09:45,387 --> 02:09:48,587
Speaker 35: rep into that and then play it out lies the

2645
02:09:48,947 --> 02:09:51,867
Speaker 35: rest of the way down the course. So yeah, I

2646
02:09:51,947 --> 02:09:54,627
Speaker 35: mean it obviously turned out pretty well, which is cool.

2647
02:09:55,067 --> 02:09:57,747
Speaker 3: Indeed it did so in the kite cross time trial,

2648
02:09:57,827 --> 02:10:00,387
Speaker 3: then round one, quarter final, semi final, and the final.

2649
02:10:00,907 --> 02:10:03,507
Speaker 3: At what point during all of that did you think

2650
02:10:03,547 --> 02:10:04,307
Speaker 3: how much chance here?

2651
02:10:08,347 --> 02:10:09,987
Speaker 22: I mean, I knew going in that I'd be a

2652
02:10:10,107 --> 02:10:11,747
Speaker 22: chance for sure.

2653
02:10:12,907 --> 02:10:16,787
Speaker 35: I've had good, good results previously, previously this year but

2654
02:10:16,907 --> 02:10:18,427
Speaker 35: also in the past.

2655
02:10:18,227 --> 02:10:21,347
Speaker 22: Few years, so you know, I knew that I'll be

2656
02:10:21,547 --> 02:10:22,267
Speaker 22: I'll be a chance.

2657
02:10:22,307 --> 02:10:24,867
Speaker 35: And then you know, I had a pretty solid time

2658
02:10:24,947 --> 02:10:27,587
Speaker 35: trial and then round one I actually got kind of

2659
02:10:27,627 --> 02:10:29,867
Speaker 35: stitched up and ended up in one of the hardest

2660
02:10:30,507 --> 02:10:34,787
Speaker 35: first rounds because of one of the top guys top seeds,

2661
02:10:34,827 --> 02:10:37,187
Speaker 35: actually stuffed up the time trial, so then got seated

2662
02:10:37,267 --> 02:10:40,027
Speaker 35: really low for round one and ended up in my heat.

2663
02:10:40,107 --> 02:10:42,427
Speaker 35: So I had only a heat of three, but the

2664
02:10:42,507 --> 02:10:47,707
Speaker 35: other two were really top, top quality peddlers, So yeah,

2665
02:10:47,787 --> 02:10:48,547
Speaker 35: I mean I was.

2666
02:10:48,587 --> 02:10:51,147
Speaker 22: Kind of like, oh God, here we go, try by fire.

2667
02:10:52,627 --> 02:10:55,987
Speaker 35: But yeah, managed to get a really good round in

2668
02:10:56,067 --> 02:11:00,907
Speaker 35: there and kind of just started rolling from there. Yeah,

2669
02:11:00,987 --> 02:11:03,027
Speaker 35: like you say, we had we had four das, so

2670
02:11:03,067 --> 02:11:04,907
Speaker 35: it was time trial and then the next day was

2671
02:11:04,987 --> 02:11:07,267
Speaker 35: round one and basically that's at one heat and you're

2672
02:11:07,307 --> 02:11:10,067
Speaker 35: done for the day, and then the next day eat

2673
02:11:10,147 --> 02:11:12,027
Speaker 35: one and then you're done for the day, and then

2674
02:11:12,547 --> 02:11:15,347
Speaker 35: the finals day was three rounds. So caught it to

2675
02:11:15,387 --> 02:11:16,347
Speaker 35: his finals.

2676
02:11:17,667 --> 02:11:19,947
Speaker 22: And yeah, I mean we were just taking each heat

2677
02:11:20,907 --> 02:11:23,027
Speaker 22: as it comes because you can't look past it.

2678
02:11:23,147 --> 02:11:23,387
Speaker 21: Really.

2679
02:11:24,147 --> 02:11:27,907
Speaker 35: Everyone in that race was it was a threat, and

2680
02:11:28,147 --> 02:11:30,667
Speaker 35: you know they're if you're out in front or if

2681
02:11:30,707 --> 02:11:33,187
Speaker 35: you're behind, you know they're all trying to take you

2682
02:11:33,307 --> 02:11:37,107
Speaker 35: out at some point. So really just trying to trying

2683
02:11:37,147 --> 02:11:41,707
Speaker 35: to be in that in that moment. And yeah, pretty much.

2684
02:11:41,987 --> 02:11:45,147
Speaker 35: I think going into the finals day, I was on

2685
02:11:45,347 --> 02:11:47,067
Speaker 35: a well, I don't know if I was on a

2686
02:11:47,067 --> 02:11:48,987
Speaker 35: good side of the draw. I think both starts are

2687
02:11:48,987 --> 02:11:53,787
Speaker 35: pretty pretty hard. But yeah, I knew that I was

2688
02:11:53,947 --> 02:11:56,587
Speaker 35: feeling really good and I had to start pretty dialed,

2689
02:11:57,387 --> 02:11:59,947
Speaker 35: which was which went a long way to the winning

2690
02:11:59,947 --> 02:12:00,307
Speaker 35: the race.

2691
02:12:00,867 --> 02:12:02,627
Speaker 3: It talk to me about when you're at the top

2692
02:12:02,707 --> 02:12:04,667
Speaker 3: of the course about to be dumped into the water

2693
02:12:04,747 --> 02:12:06,827
Speaker 3: with the other paddlers, do you did you have a

2694
02:12:06,907 --> 02:12:10,267
Speaker 3: process or what is the last sort of a few

2695
02:12:10,387 --> 02:12:11,627
Speaker 3: thoughts before that happens.

2696
02:12:12,827 --> 02:12:14,907
Speaker 22: Yeah, I guess I can.

2697
02:12:15,027 --> 02:12:17,827
Speaker 35: I can probably go through from from from ten minutes

2698
02:12:17,867 --> 02:12:22,067
Speaker 35: before you've got to be us going through the prestart.

2699
02:12:22,187 --> 02:12:24,387
Speaker 35: So we've got a big tint at the top with

2700
02:12:24,867 --> 02:12:28,067
Speaker 35: pre start and you collect your colored bourb and choose

2701
02:12:28,107 --> 02:12:31,627
Speaker 35: your lane and then wait for the previous heat to

2702
02:12:31,667 --> 02:12:35,147
Speaker 35: go and then go up the ramp. And actually it

2703
02:12:35,227 --> 02:12:39,147
Speaker 35: was pretty cool. So Kelly Bailey, who's from Wanaka, she

2704
02:12:40,827 --> 02:12:43,027
Speaker 35: was judging there and she was actually the pre starter

2705
02:12:44,027 --> 02:12:45,867
Speaker 35: and so I've got a grown up.

2706
02:12:47,347 --> 02:12:49,507
Speaker 11: You know with with her and in the.

2707
02:12:49,547 --> 02:12:52,587
Speaker 35: Community and Central Target, and she's been judging a lot

2708
02:12:52,627 --> 02:12:55,587
Speaker 35: of races and been around the show and organizing a lot.

2709
02:12:55,667 --> 02:12:57,347
Speaker 35: So it was quite cool to just have you know,

2710
02:12:57,547 --> 02:13:00,867
Speaker 35: she was very professional in her role at the games,

2711
02:13:00,907 --> 02:13:02,867
Speaker 35: but you know, every round us coming up and just

2712
02:13:02,907 --> 02:13:03,747
Speaker 35: sort of just giving her a we.

2713
02:13:03,867 --> 02:13:07,027
Speaker 22: Hid nod and we're just just all at each other.

2714
02:13:07,187 --> 02:13:09,347
Speaker 22: So that was kind of the first part.

2715
02:13:09,427 --> 02:13:11,507
Speaker 35: And then you through the prestart and just have a

2716
02:13:11,627 --> 02:13:14,547
Speaker 35: chat with my coach and make sure I knew what

2717
02:13:14,747 --> 02:13:18,947
Speaker 35: lane to peck, and just almost a little yarn like nothing,

2718
02:13:20,067 --> 02:13:22,147
Speaker 35: nothing too serious, and we just get each other a

2719
02:13:22,187 --> 02:13:25,507
Speaker 35: little first pump and so a few words and and

2720
02:13:25,587 --> 02:13:28,347
Speaker 35: then yeah, I choose to choose the lane. Wait for

2721
02:13:28,427 --> 02:13:30,227
Speaker 35: a bit, and then we go up the ramp and

2722
02:13:30,307 --> 02:13:33,187
Speaker 35: they start playing. Once you get in, they start playing

2723
02:13:33,227 --> 02:13:36,907
Speaker 35: sort of heartbeat, like the heartbeat sound, and it's sort

2724
02:13:36,947 --> 02:13:39,427
Speaker 35: of like sitting up on the ramp, you know, quite

2725
02:13:39,507 --> 02:13:41,867
Speaker 35: high above the water, you know, four or five meters

2726
02:13:41,867 --> 02:13:44,147
Speaker 35: above the water and just steering out to this massive

2727
02:13:44,187 --> 02:13:46,507
Speaker 35: crowds with the heart beat sound.

2728
02:13:46,587 --> 02:13:49,187
Speaker 22: Going, So that's pretty you know, you're sort of like,

2729
02:13:49,507 --> 02:13:50,667
Speaker 22: just drop me off now, we just.

2730
02:13:51,347 --> 02:13:56,987
Speaker 35: Send us, yeah, so you know, and then when when

2731
02:13:57,067 --> 02:14:00,747
Speaker 35: the the process starts, so they they sort of go

2732
02:14:01,027 --> 02:14:03,507
Speaker 35: in position, and then after that you're not allowed to move.

2733
02:14:03,587 --> 02:14:05,667
Speaker 22: So so I just wanted to.

2734
02:14:08,147 --> 02:14:10,187
Speaker 35: Be leaning back as far as I could and then

2735
02:14:11,227 --> 02:14:13,987
Speaker 35: basically listen for the start beep and react as fast

2736
02:14:13,987 --> 02:14:17,707
Speaker 35: as I could, throw myself forward and then almost let

2737
02:14:17,947 --> 02:14:20,307
Speaker 35: my all my practice take over and just trying to

2738
02:14:21,667 --> 02:14:23,387
Speaker 35: land as good as I could and get a.

2739
02:14:23,547 --> 02:14:24,827
Speaker 22: Good few strokes and.

2740
02:14:26,627 --> 02:14:29,187
Speaker 35: Just basically all I wanted to do was was that

2741
02:14:29,387 --> 02:14:32,027
Speaker 35: was as much intense as possible, because you know, that's

2742
02:14:32,547 --> 02:14:34,987
Speaker 35: the first part of the race and it's basically the

2743
02:14:35,067 --> 02:14:38,067
Speaker 35: only part you can control is how fast you react

2744
02:14:38,187 --> 02:14:40,067
Speaker 35: to the ramp and how you can slide down it,

2745
02:14:40,707 --> 02:14:42,027
Speaker 35: and then anything else.

2746
02:14:41,907 --> 02:14:43,627
Speaker 22: Is like I said before, you just play it how

2747
02:14:43,667 --> 02:14:44,027
Speaker 22: it lies.

2748
02:14:44,147 --> 02:14:48,747
Speaker 35: So yeah, pretty much just really focused on the start,

2749
02:14:48,987 --> 02:14:51,387
Speaker 35: waiting for that beep and then just breath into it

2750
02:14:51,467 --> 02:14:52,267
Speaker 35: as hard as I could.

2751
02:14:52,627 --> 02:14:55,307
Speaker 3: Well, I think about the final I think probably the

2752
02:14:55,347 --> 02:14:58,107
Speaker 3: British peddler Joe Clark probably the favorite. I guess if

2753
02:14:58,107 --> 02:14:59,907
Speaker 3: you were going to you know, list out who was

2754
02:14:59,947 --> 02:15:03,147
Speaker 3: the gold medal favorite. But man, that that final, man,

2755
02:15:03,227 --> 02:15:06,707
Speaker 3: you just gunned it from the start. Were never you know,

2756
02:15:06,947 --> 02:15:08,947
Speaker 3: no one even challenged you. Was that like almost a

2757
02:15:09,027 --> 02:15:10,307
Speaker 3: perfect race for you?

2758
02:15:10,427 --> 02:15:10,867
Speaker 13: The final?

2759
02:15:13,027 --> 02:15:16,547
Speaker 35: Yeah, I mean, I guess any any race that you

2760
02:15:16,587 --> 02:15:21,827
Speaker 35: wins the perfect race, but in this crazy, crazy sport

2761
02:15:21,907 --> 02:15:23,867
Speaker 35: it is. But I mean when I look back, I

2762
02:15:23,987 --> 02:15:27,507
Speaker 35: actually I actually let go of my paddle when I

2763
02:15:27,627 --> 02:15:28,507
Speaker 35: landed off the ramp.

2764
02:15:28,907 --> 02:15:31,507
Speaker 22: Wow, which I didn't even realize.

2765
02:15:31,227 --> 02:15:33,947
Speaker 35: When I was in the race, but when I look

2766
02:15:34,027 --> 02:15:36,747
Speaker 35: back and watched the slow mo, Yeah, my second strokes,

2767
02:15:36,787 --> 02:15:38,587
Speaker 35: I landed on the right stroke and then my left

2768
02:15:38,587 --> 02:15:40,987
Speaker 35: stroke went in the water and came up underneath the

2769
02:15:41,027 --> 02:15:44,347
Speaker 35: guys beside me his boat, and so my hand came

2770
02:15:44,427 --> 02:15:45,907
Speaker 35: off and then I did a right stroke and then

2771
02:15:45,907 --> 02:15:48,267
Speaker 35: grabbed it again. So I think that was just like

2772
02:15:49,147 --> 02:15:52,187
Speaker 35: the zone I was and how much intent that I

2773
02:15:52,307 --> 02:15:55,187
Speaker 35: really I wanted to head it with I did. I

2774
02:15:55,387 --> 02:16:01,547
Speaker 35: just was zoned into two just going and yeah, I

2775
02:16:01,627 --> 02:16:04,947
Speaker 35: mean the two beside me, Joe, who was probably the favorite,

2776
02:16:04,987 --> 02:16:06,387
Speaker 35: and then the German.

2777
02:16:06,147 --> 02:16:09,307
Speaker 22: Guy nowhere just clash paddles a little bit. And then

2778
02:16:09,347 --> 02:16:10,627
Speaker 22: that gave me a bit of free water.

2779
02:16:10,707 --> 02:16:12,627
Speaker 35: And I could just build a lead from there, and

2780
02:16:13,907 --> 02:16:16,907
Speaker 35: from there I could back my like my technique and

2781
02:16:17,027 --> 02:16:21,547
Speaker 35: my fitness as well. So you know, we've done almost

2782
02:16:21,627 --> 02:16:25,427
Speaker 35: ten days of racing until that day, but I knew

2783
02:16:25,467 --> 02:16:27,507
Speaker 35: that I was in really good shape and I've got

2784
02:16:27,547 --> 02:16:32,147
Speaker 35: a good, good fitness space behind me. So yeah, basically,

2785
02:16:32,227 --> 02:16:34,707
Speaker 35: going to the finish, I knew that if I could

2786
02:16:34,787 --> 02:16:36,507
Speaker 35: just hold enough of a gap in front of Joe

2787
02:16:36,587 --> 02:16:39,707
Speaker 35: and get around that last upstream before him, it would

2788
02:16:39,747 --> 02:16:43,067
Speaker 35: be It'll be all mine. But yeah, if I think

2789
02:16:43,107 --> 02:16:46,147
Speaker 35: about it, it's quite funny because you know, going into

2790
02:16:46,187 --> 02:16:48,787
Speaker 35: the last up stream, I know I'm leading the Olympic Games,

2791
02:16:49,587 --> 02:16:52,507
Speaker 35: and if I execute that, then I'll be the Olympic Champion.

2792
02:16:52,587 --> 02:16:54,267
Speaker 22: And it's sort of like all of.

2793
02:16:54,307 --> 02:16:57,347
Speaker 35: Those things are just trying to pull yourself out of

2794
02:16:57,467 --> 02:17:02,707
Speaker 35: the moment, and and you know, I'm really proud of

2795
02:17:02,747 --> 02:17:05,387
Speaker 35: the way that I could really focus and stay in

2796
02:17:05,507 --> 02:17:09,467
Speaker 35: the moment and actually execute that and then afterwards let

2797
02:17:09,547 --> 02:17:15,387
Speaker 35: myself realize, because yes, it's pretty easy to lose track

2798
02:17:15,467 --> 02:17:18,187
Speaker 35: of focus and just you know, for a split second,

2799
02:17:18,227 --> 02:17:20,307
Speaker 35: and then things can go wrong pretty fast.

2800
02:17:20,347 --> 02:17:21,907
Speaker 22: So yeah, I'll say it.

2801
02:17:21,987 --> 02:17:22,707
Speaker 35: Was a perfect race.

2802
02:17:23,947 --> 02:17:26,907
Speaker 3: How much, how much. Did your life change after Paris?

2803
02:17:28,387 --> 02:17:29,627
Speaker 22: Yeah, pretty significantly.

2804
02:17:32,427 --> 02:17:34,387
Speaker 3: I saw you everywhere. Man, you're an All Blacks test.

2805
02:17:34,507 --> 02:17:37,227
Speaker 3: You're everywhere people recognizing you. It must have been quite

2806
02:17:37,227 --> 02:17:38,227
Speaker 3: different when you got home.

2807
02:17:38,187 --> 02:17:42,787
Speaker 35: Was it. Yeah, yeah, it was pretty different. Yeah, we're

2808
02:17:42,907 --> 02:17:47,827
Speaker 35: pretty unknown in general, and then yeah, sort of having

2809
02:17:47,867 --> 02:17:50,387
Speaker 35: people recognize down the street and the coffee shop or

2810
02:17:51,267 --> 02:17:53,867
Speaker 35: you know, getting invited into the All Blacks changing rooms.

2811
02:17:53,707 --> 02:17:55,587
Speaker 22: And it was pretty wild.

2812
02:17:56,547 --> 02:17:59,467
Speaker 35: So yeah, it's been. It's been awesome to be fair.

2813
02:18:00,587 --> 02:18:04,067
Speaker 35: You know, like I'm just super lucky to have found

2814
02:18:04,347 --> 02:18:07,987
Speaker 35: a passion and I like that I can you know,

2815
02:18:09,067 --> 02:18:11,227
Speaker 35: I was able to do on the big stage, and.

2816
02:18:12,867 --> 02:18:14,827
Speaker 22: You know, like the coolest thing is when people come

2817
02:18:14,907 --> 02:18:16,787
Speaker 22: up to you and just say, look, oh, we we

2818
02:18:16,947 --> 02:18:19,427
Speaker 22: loved watching you. It was an awesome sport and you.

2819
02:18:19,467 --> 02:18:22,347
Speaker 35: Know, we're really really proud of you. And you know,

2820
02:18:22,467 --> 02:18:25,747
Speaker 35: you people say, you know that I gave a lot

2821
02:18:25,747 --> 02:18:28,147
Speaker 35: of joy to a lot of Kiwis, and man, that

2822
02:18:28,627 --> 02:18:31,467
Speaker 35: that means a lot for sure. So yeah, it's been,

2823
02:18:31,587 --> 02:18:36,907
Speaker 35: it's been busy. I'm back into training now, so yeah,

2824
02:18:37,067 --> 02:18:40,707
Speaker 35: we're back on track to to go again for another

2825
02:18:40,747 --> 02:18:41,187
Speaker 35: four years.

2826
02:18:41,507 --> 02:18:43,107
Speaker 3: That's good to hear. How many people, do you reckon

2827
02:18:43,187 --> 02:18:44,947
Speaker 3: have seen or touched your gold medal?

2828
02:18:45,347 --> 02:18:49,227
Speaker 22: Hundreds Yeah, yeah, hundreds, hundreds, that's for sure.

2829
02:18:49,267 --> 02:18:51,787
Speaker 35: I mean I went when I came back straight out

2830
02:18:51,787 --> 02:18:54,467
Speaker 35: to the Olympics, I went back down south to Alexandria

2831
02:18:54,947 --> 02:18:58,187
Speaker 35: and went into my old schools and then a few

2832
02:18:58,227 --> 02:19:01,227
Speaker 35: of the other schools in town, and yeah, you know,

2833
02:19:01,587 --> 02:19:04,627
Speaker 35: all of those little kids having a having a hold

2834
02:19:04,667 --> 02:19:07,227
Speaker 35: of it and having a look and just, man, it's

2835
02:19:07,307 --> 02:19:10,707
Speaker 35: something that I probably didn't realize would.

2836
02:19:10,507 --> 02:19:11,867
Speaker 22: Be as cool as it is.

2837
02:19:13,027 --> 02:19:16,627
Speaker 35: Just seeing you know, kids eyes light up and just

2838
02:19:16,907 --> 02:19:20,987
Speaker 35: and seeing their their dreams, you know, just tacking away

2839
02:19:21,467 --> 02:19:22,187
Speaker 35: in their heads.

2840
02:19:22,267 --> 02:19:23,307
Speaker 22: It's pretty amazing.

2841
02:19:23,427 --> 02:19:25,587
Speaker 35: So man, to be able to bring that thing back

2842
02:19:25,707 --> 02:19:29,427
Speaker 35: back home to Centure Targo and show those cads that

2843
02:19:30,387 --> 02:19:33,747
Speaker 35: you know, someone in there and their position from their school,

2844
02:19:34,947 --> 02:19:37,107
Speaker 35: you know, can can dream big and go and do

2845
02:19:37,227 --> 02:19:37,867
Speaker 35: whatever they want.

2846
02:19:38,027 --> 02:19:40,307
Speaker 22: So yeah, it was pretty cool.

2847
02:19:40,347 --> 02:19:43,347
Speaker 35: But definitely a few people have touched it and hold

2848
02:19:43,387 --> 02:19:45,947
Speaker 35: it and put it on, But I'm pretty proud of it.

2849
02:19:46,107 --> 02:19:48,147
Speaker 22: So to be able to share it with people is

2850
02:19:48,627 --> 02:19:49,267
Speaker 22: really special.

2851
02:19:49,507 --> 02:19:51,347
Speaker 3: So you should be so you should be fun and

2852
02:19:51,467 --> 02:19:53,987
Speaker 3: one of the undoubted highlights of the year for sure.

2853
02:19:54,427 --> 02:19:56,187
Speaker 3: You gave us all a lot of a lot of

2854
02:19:56,267 --> 02:19:59,427
Speaker 3: pleasure in those few days in August, my friend, and

2855
02:19:59,507 --> 02:20:01,707
Speaker 3: you've you've earned every plot that you've got. Thanks for

2856
02:20:01,787 --> 02:20:03,507
Speaker 3: joining us today, mate, all the beast for the next

2857
02:20:03,547 --> 02:20:06,827
Speaker 3: Olympic cycle roll on Los Angeles twenty twenty eight.

2858
02:20:06,867 --> 02:20:09,627
Speaker 22: I guess, yeah, yeah, thank you very much.

2859
02:20:09,707 --> 02:20:12,347
Speaker 35: Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm sort of I'm happy now to

2860
02:20:12,427 --> 02:20:16,227
Speaker 35: be back into routine and yeah, looking forward to next

2861
02:20:16,747 --> 02:20:21,427
Speaker 35: four years of trying to get better and yeah, keep pushing.

2862
02:20:21,507 --> 02:20:23,427
Speaker 22: Thanks, so, yeah, thank you very much for having me.

2863
02:20:23,787 --> 02:20:25,907
Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us. Finn really appreciate it, Finn.

2864
02:20:25,947 --> 02:20:28,387
Speaker 3: Butcher there Geez just totally unaffected by it all. Isn't

2865
02:20:28,427 --> 02:20:32,107
Speaker 3: he just the same bloke who headed off to Paris,

2866
02:20:32,227 --> 02:20:34,787
Speaker 3: but now with a gold medal and much more to come.

2867
02:20:34,827 --> 02:20:37,147
Speaker 3: What a pleasure to catch up with Finn to reflect

2868
02:20:37,227 --> 02:20:40,387
Speaker 3: on one of the great moments of our sporting year,

2869
02:20:40,747 --> 02:20:43,027
Speaker 3: his gold medal and the kayak cross at the Paris

2870
02:20:43,107 --> 02:20:45,987
Speaker 3: Olympic Games two twenty eight. Just updating you on some

2871
02:20:46,067 --> 02:20:48,867
Speaker 3: live sport. There's some Halliburton Johnston Shield cricket going on

2872
02:20:48,987 --> 02:20:52,147
Speaker 3: around the place. Three matches and our women's fifty over

2873
02:20:52,227 --> 02:20:55,547
Speaker 3: competition at Bayoval, matt mongoaneruy Auckland all out one nine

2874
02:20:55,587 --> 02:20:58,987
Speaker 3: to four. Northern Districts will set off shortly in their

2875
02:20:59,027 --> 02:21:01,187
Speaker 3: chase for one ninety five to win that one in

2876
02:21:01,267 --> 02:21:04,347
Speaker 3: a lungy order. Otago have made two forty seven for

2877
02:21:04,547 --> 02:21:07,627
Speaker 3: seven from their fifty overs. Debri are under way seven

2878
02:21:07,667 --> 02:21:10,227
Speaker 3: without loss after one over there and at the Basemin

2879
02:21:10,267 --> 02:21:14,227
Speaker 3: Reserve Wellington all out one thirty two. The Central Hinds

2880
02:21:14,347 --> 02:21:18,147
Speaker 3: are twenty six for two in the twelfth over. In

2881
02:21:18,267 --> 02:21:20,947
Speaker 3: reply to that, chasing one hundred and thirty three to

2882
02:21:21,027 --> 02:21:24,387
Speaker 3: beat Wellington there. When we come back, we'll flick our

2883
02:21:24,387 --> 02:21:27,307
Speaker 3: attention across to football. The All Whites are in an

2884
02:21:27,387 --> 02:21:30,707
Speaker 3: international window right now. Big win over Vanuatu Friday night

2885
02:21:30,747 --> 02:21:33,227
Speaker 3: in Hamilton eight one. They take on some more at

2886
02:21:33,267 --> 02:21:36,867
Speaker 3: Mount Smart tomorrow night. Michael Boxel is on the show

2887
02:21:36,907 --> 02:21:37,627
Speaker 3: with us right after this.

2888
02:21:39,107 --> 02:21:40,147
Speaker 2: You be the TMO.

2889
02:21:40,427 --> 02:21:42,827
Speaker 1: Have your say on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

2890
02:21:42,987 --> 02:21:47,667
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Pine and GJ. Guvnerholmes, New Zealand's

2891
02:21:47,707 --> 02:21:49,907
Speaker 1: most trusted home builder news Dogs NB.

2892
02:21:50,507 --> 02:21:52,947
Speaker 3: Well are we two thirty two? The All Whites have

2893
02:21:53,147 --> 02:21:56,627
Speaker 3: secured their place in the semi finals. Of Oceania World

2894
02:21:56,667 --> 02:21:57,387
Speaker 3: Cup Qualifying.

2895
02:21:58,507 --> 02:22:05,907
Speaker 41: Nice touch from Garbic Garbic, Oh, yes, that's super, that's separate,

2896
02:22:06,067 --> 02:22:09,387
Speaker 41: so has ct on the Scoorel board.

2897
02:22:10,667 --> 02:22:12,947
Speaker 4: What beautiful lead up work from Matt Garbage.

2898
02:22:13,027 --> 02:22:15,067
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was one of New Zealand's eight goals on

2899
02:22:15,187 --> 02:22:18,947
Speaker 3: Friday night. An eight one win over Vanawatu in Hamilton

2900
02:22:19,027 --> 02:22:22,107
Speaker 3: has confirmed their place in the semi finals of oceanny

2901
02:22:22,147 --> 02:22:24,667
Speaker 3: A World Cup qualifying tomorrow night. They meet some more

2902
02:22:25,107 --> 02:22:28,707
Speaker 3: at Mount Smart in Auckland or Whites defender Michael Boxel

2903
02:22:28,907 --> 02:22:31,227
Speaker 3: is with us on Weekend Sport. Michael, thanks for taking

2904
02:22:31,267 --> 02:22:33,147
Speaker 3: the time. I can't imagine there would have been too

2905
02:22:33,227 --> 02:22:36,707
Speaker 3: many grumbles after Friday night from the coaching staff during

2906
02:22:36,747 --> 02:22:39,507
Speaker 3: the debrief that you've had around that game with there.

2907
02:22:40,707 --> 02:22:43,867
Speaker 17: I'm a deeper flaired today, but I think overall where Yeah,

2908
02:22:44,867 --> 02:22:47,867
Speaker 17: get a professional job. Obviously as a defender, not too

2909
02:22:47,867 --> 02:22:50,347
Speaker 17: happy to get a clean sheet, but I don't know,

2910
02:22:50,627 --> 02:22:53,907
Speaker 17: like gooes against you sometimes. But we're delighted with the

2911
02:22:54,467 --> 02:22:56,667
Speaker 17: crowd that showed up in Hamilton and we were happy

2912
02:22:56,667 --> 02:22:57,827
Speaker 17: we've got to put on a bit of show for

2913
02:22:58,267 --> 02:22:58,907
Speaker 17: the show for them.

2914
02:22:59,427 --> 02:23:02,587
Speaker 3: When you go into a game as overwhelming favorites as

2915
02:23:02,667 --> 02:23:05,307
Speaker 3: you were and will again be tomorrow night. How do

2916
02:23:05,387 --> 02:23:07,947
Speaker 3: you go about keeping and it's nice and high and

2917
02:23:08,067 --> 02:23:10,107
Speaker 3: not letting any complacency creeping.

2918
02:23:11,587 --> 02:23:14,627
Speaker 17: I mean, to me, it's about not taking these games

2919
02:23:14,667 --> 02:23:18,867
Speaker 17: for granted. I think, I mean, my, yeah, Tennel, even

2920
02:23:18,987 --> 02:23:21,187
Speaker 17: whatever it is your career, we haven't played a whole

2921
02:23:21,227 --> 02:23:22,787
Speaker 17: lot of games in New Zealand, so we can't just

2922
02:23:23,427 --> 02:23:25,587
Speaker 17: kick him place and I'll let these kind of go

2923
02:23:25,707 --> 02:23:27,747
Speaker 17: by the wayside. So we know that and as a

2924
02:23:27,787 --> 02:23:31,027
Speaker 17: group we're trying to I mean, there's we've got some

2925
02:23:31,267 --> 02:23:33,627
Speaker 17: quality players for trying to inspire, like the next generation

2926
02:23:33,747 --> 02:23:37,347
Speaker 17: of Chilly footballers, so we can't show up and give

2927
02:23:37,387 --> 02:23:40,427
Speaker 17: anything but one hundred percent. So I think we showed

2928
02:23:40,467 --> 02:23:44,107
Speaker 17: that with the response to when they equalized, And I

2929
02:23:44,187 --> 02:23:48,187
Speaker 17: mean when you see Garbs and Marco and then Supprit

2930
02:23:48,227 --> 02:23:50,107
Speaker 17: to come off the bench and kind of do their thing.

2931
02:23:50,147 --> 02:23:54,027
Speaker 17: And obviously Woods's he's just on top of his game

2932
02:23:54,067 --> 02:23:55,787
Speaker 17: right now, so to see him doing what he's doing

2933
02:23:56,267 --> 02:23:58,507
Speaker 17: in front of home fans is pretty awesome.

2934
02:23:58,947 --> 02:24:01,547
Speaker 3: And not just attacking players if you, as you've outlined,

2935
02:24:01,547 --> 02:24:04,107
Speaker 3: but some good young defenders coming through as well, and

2936
02:24:04,347 --> 02:24:06,747
Speaker 3: Nando Poinik has been around for a while, but for sermon,

2937
02:24:06,827 --> 02:24:09,507
Speaker 3: Tyler Bindon, how have you assessed their development?

2938
02:24:11,547 --> 02:24:14,947
Speaker 17: I mean, yeah, obviously it's a big gap between myself

2939
02:24:14,947 --> 02:24:19,987
Speaker 17: and them, so we've needed some someone to backing up

2940
02:24:20,027 --> 02:24:24,227
Speaker 17: when I'm when I'm ready for a wheelchairs obviously. Yeah,

2941
02:24:24,467 --> 02:24:26,507
Speaker 17: Finn making a big step up to MLS, and I

2942
02:24:26,627 --> 02:24:30,867
Speaker 17: think Tyler's really coming on. I think obviously you see

2943
02:24:30,907 --> 02:24:33,587
Speaker 17: his footballing progress in the field, but I think off

2944
02:24:33,667 --> 02:24:35,627
Speaker 17: the field he's going to going to be a big

2945
02:24:35,747 --> 02:24:36,747
Speaker 17: leader for us going forward.

2946
02:24:37,187 --> 02:24:39,907
Speaker 3: Does the competition for places in the All Whites right

2947
02:24:39,987 --> 02:24:43,187
Speaker 3: now feel about as fierce as it ever has during

2948
02:24:43,547 --> 02:24:44,787
Speaker 3: your time in the national side.

2949
02:24:46,867 --> 02:24:49,587
Speaker 17: It's got to be up there, I'd say, yeah. Obviously

2950
02:24:49,747 --> 02:24:51,987
Speaker 17: I've been on both sides of it, where I'm on

2951
02:24:52,067 --> 02:24:55,507
Speaker 17: the outside looking in and and also kind of fighting,

2952
02:24:55,667 --> 02:24:57,907
Speaker 17: fighting to keep my place, And I think, yeah, I'm

2953
02:24:59,307 --> 02:25:01,387
Speaker 17: even at my age, still having to stay as sharp

2954
02:25:01,427 --> 02:25:05,107
Speaker 17: as possible to to make sure I genuinely earn a

2955
02:25:05,187 --> 02:25:09,067
Speaker 17: mask spot on the team. And yeah, as you mentioned, Finn, Tyler,

2956
02:25:09,907 --> 02:25:12,667
Speaker 17: Nandov just keeping everyone honest, and I think it's you

2957
02:25:12,707 --> 02:25:14,707
Speaker 17: can say that for almost every position on the field.

2958
02:25:15,147 --> 02:25:17,907
Speaker 3: We've touched on one of the hallmarks of your career,

2959
02:25:17,987 --> 02:25:20,947
Speaker 3: and that's been your ability to you know, to stay fit,

2960
02:25:21,147 --> 02:25:24,387
Speaker 3: to stay you know, athletic, to be as quick pretty

2961
02:25:24,467 --> 02:25:26,947
Speaker 3: much as you always have been. What what's been behind that?

2962
02:25:27,067 --> 02:25:31,107
Speaker 3: What is the secret of your ability to to seemingly

2963
02:25:31,187 --> 02:25:31,907
Speaker 3: not age at all?

2964
02:25:34,467 --> 02:25:37,907
Speaker 17: Obviously I just enjoy it. I just love playing the game,

2965
02:25:38,707 --> 02:25:41,667
Speaker 17: love love training. Still at this age, trying to improve

2966
02:25:41,827 --> 02:25:45,627
Speaker 17: every day. Every off season I probably won my season

2967
02:25:45,707 --> 02:25:47,227
Speaker 17: is I probably take one or two days off and

2968
02:25:47,267 --> 02:25:49,747
Speaker 17: then straight into the gym. Obviously, we've got a really

2969
02:25:49,787 --> 02:25:53,947
Speaker 17: good sports scientists and who who puts through from puts

2970
02:25:54,027 --> 02:25:54,867
Speaker 17: me through my paces.

2971
02:25:54,987 --> 02:25:56,067
Speaker 22: So I don't know.

2972
02:25:56,147 --> 02:25:57,387
Speaker 17: I still love the challenge.

2973
02:25:58,147 --> 02:25:58,467
Speaker 21: IOUs.

2974
02:25:58,547 --> 02:26:02,707
Speaker 17: We've got a goal in nineteen months time that I

2975
02:26:02,787 --> 02:26:06,547
Speaker 17: want to be a part of, so just and all

2976
02:26:06,587 --> 02:26:09,187
Speaker 17: I can to make sure I'm not just there but

2977
02:26:09,667 --> 02:26:11,227
Speaker 17: generally helping helping the group out.

2978
02:26:11,667 --> 02:26:13,507
Speaker 3: In last month, you signed a new deal with your

2979
02:26:13,667 --> 02:26:16,627
Speaker 3: MLS club, Minnesota United, for next year another option for

2980
02:26:16,707 --> 02:26:19,747
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. You've been there since what twenty seventeen,

2981
02:26:19,947 --> 02:26:22,507
Speaker 3: the club's all time leading appearance maker. How do you

2982
02:26:22,587 --> 02:26:24,307
Speaker 3: reflect on your time at Minnesota United?

2983
02:26:26,307 --> 02:26:28,787
Speaker 17: I mean when we first moved there with my wife,

2984
02:26:28,867 --> 02:26:31,347
Speaker 17: we probably only planned it to be there for yeah,

2985
02:26:31,507 --> 02:26:35,947
Speaker 17: two or three seasons, but as we've kind of my

2986
02:26:36,067 --> 02:26:39,027
Speaker 17: daughter's settled down, my son was born there and it's

2987
02:26:39,027 --> 02:26:41,147
Speaker 17: a beautiful place. Tore aids the family and the football

2988
02:26:41,227 --> 02:26:43,507
Speaker 17: and the MLS has really grown over the last five

2989
02:26:43,547 --> 02:26:46,587
Speaker 17: six years. So it's allowed me to grow as a

2990
02:26:46,627 --> 02:26:50,627
Speaker 17: person as a player as well. So yeah, it feels

2991
02:26:50,627 --> 02:26:52,867
Speaker 17: a lot like home, and my family's really settled there,

2992
02:26:52,947 --> 02:26:55,947
Speaker 17: and obviously that league's come a long way and going

2993
02:26:55,987 --> 02:26:58,147
Speaker 17: to keep growing with the big names are signing and

2994
02:26:58,227 --> 02:27:01,267
Speaker 17: then after with the World Cup heading there in twenty

2995
02:27:01,307 --> 02:27:02,587
Speaker 17: twenty six, a.

2996
02:27:02,627 --> 02:27:04,867
Speaker 3: Lot of your all Whites football box. He's been alongside

2997
02:27:04,947 --> 02:27:07,587
Speaker 3: Chris Wood. You mentioned him easily before. What have you

2998
02:27:07,707 --> 02:27:10,267
Speaker 3: made of his recent seats in the in the Premier League?

2999
02:27:12,187 --> 02:27:15,507
Speaker 17: I mean everything before this, the last two seasons, I

3000
02:27:15,547 --> 02:27:19,227
Speaker 17: think he's been so ungraded and I think it's just

3001
02:27:19,307 --> 02:27:23,827
Speaker 17: amazing to see him get his due rewards and recognition.

3002
02:27:25,347 --> 02:27:27,907
Speaker 17: I think, I mean, I can't say enough about how

3003
02:27:28,507 --> 02:27:30,867
Speaker 17: much playing for the country means for him. I mean,

3004
02:27:30,907 --> 02:27:34,387
Speaker 17: he does not miss a single window, possibly at the

3005
02:27:34,427 --> 02:27:39,507
Speaker 17: detriment his club career, flying halfway around the world for

3006
02:27:39,627 --> 02:27:44,027
Speaker 17: these World Cup qualifiers and Vanowasu last month, and yeah,

3007
02:27:44,067 --> 02:27:45,787
Speaker 17: he just loves playing in this country. He loves getting

3008
02:27:45,787 --> 02:27:49,507
Speaker 17: back in New Zealand and he's yeah, obviously doing a

3009
02:27:49,587 --> 02:27:51,827
Speaker 17: lot for football of this country. And it's cool to

3010
02:27:51,867 --> 02:27:54,187
Speaker 17: see that young players get to see him in the flesh.

3011
02:27:54,987 --> 02:27:56,747
Speaker 3: And you've been around this team for a long time now,

3012
02:27:57,107 --> 02:27:59,147
Speaker 3: how special would it be for you to be part

3013
02:27:59,147 --> 02:28:00,547
Speaker 3: of a team that went to a World Cup?

3014
02:28:02,827 --> 02:28:06,267
Speaker 17: Yeah, obviously when I I think my kind of first

3015
02:28:06,427 --> 02:28:11,307
Speaker 17: memory of your watching Nelie and Duncan and Samone Elliott

3016
02:28:12,307 --> 02:28:15,747
Speaker 17: melt Smart and the probably the late nineties, and then

3017
02:28:15,787 --> 02:28:17,467
Speaker 17: obviously seeing what they did in the world stage in

3018
02:28:17,627 --> 02:28:21,747
Speaker 17: South Africa. And I think speaking with some of the

3019
02:28:21,827 --> 02:28:23,907
Speaker 17: younger players on this team right now and how many

3020
02:28:24,067 --> 02:28:28,507
Speaker 17: were inspired by that twenty ten World Cup journey. So

3021
02:28:28,587 --> 02:28:31,707
Speaker 17: I think that if we could do something special and

3022
02:28:33,107 --> 02:28:35,747
Speaker 17: inspire the next generation of all whites and young footballers

3023
02:28:35,747 --> 02:28:37,907
Speaker 17: in New Zealand and that they would mean a lot

3024
02:28:38,307 --> 02:28:39,067
Speaker 17: for this whole group.

3025
02:28:39,467 --> 02:28:39,827
Speaker 8: I bet.

3026
02:28:40,067 --> 02:28:42,587
Speaker 3: And when's this first goal of yours coming at international level?

3027
02:28:42,627 --> 02:28:44,987
Speaker 3: Tyler Tyler Binden even got one the other night.

3028
02:28:46,027 --> 02:28:49,787
Speaker 17: Adam I'm I'm trying not to break Jeremy Brocky's record.

3029
02:28:49,827 --> 02:28:51,547
Speaker 17: You know, I'd like to like to stay behind him

3030
02:28:51,707 --> 02:28:54,707
Speaker 17: on the just be one goal behind Brocky. It's not

3031
02:28:54,787 --> 02:28:56,827
Speaker 17: too bad, you know his record as a goal scorer.

3032
02:28:57,187 --> 02:28:59,827
Speaker 17: If I set one goal behind Jeremy Brocky, I'm happy

3033
02:28:59,867 --> 02:29:00,067
Speaker 17: with that.

3034
02:29:00,587 --> 02:29:02,547
Speaker 3: Love it, Love it Boxy. All right, hey, well, thanks

3035
02:29:02,587 --> 02:29:04,627
Speaker 3: for joining us this afternoon, mate, Really appreciate your time.

3036
02:29:04,627 --> 02:29:06,667
Speaker 3: All the best against some more. Look forward to to

3037
02:29:06,747 --> 02:29:09,267
Speaker 3: catching up perhaps when you arrive in Wellington in the

3038
02:29:09,307 --> 02:29:09,627
Speaker 3: new year.

3039
02:29:09,787 --> 02:29:11,267
Speaker 17: Would love that great ching w with you, Bunny.

3040
02:29:11,307 --> 02:29:12,867
Speaker 3: Thank you mate, Now you take care too, ox see.

3041
02:29:12,907 --> 02:29:17,347
Speaker 3: Thanks indeed, Michael Boxer there, veteran All Whites defender, one

3042
02:29:17,387 --> 02:29:20,507
Speaker 3: of the fittest guys in his mid to late thirties

3043
02:29:20,547 --> 02:29:23,187
Speaker 3: you'll ever see, still mixing up with the youngsters. Still

3044
02:29:23,227 --> 02:29:25,227
Speaker 3: a big part of this All White squad played the

3045
02:29:25,307 --> 02:29:27,747
Speaker 3: ninety minutes the other night as they beat Vanderwie to

3046
02:29:27,907 --> 02:29:31,587
Speaker 3: eight one tomorrow night summer at Mount Smart Stadium. Anyone

3047
02:29:31,627 --> 02:29:33,027
Speaker 3: in the Auckland area, and when I see the All

3048
02:29:33,027 --> 02:29:36,427
Speaker 3: Whites in a rare appearance on home soil in recent times,

3049
02:29:36,467 --> 02:29:39,787
Speaker 3: there's your opportunity. They are, as I mentioned before, now

3050
02:29:40,587 --> 02:29:44,667
Speaker 3: a surer place in the Oceania qualifiers for the next

3051
02:29:44,707 --> 02:29:48,467
Speaker 3: World Cup. The semifinals now they will take place on Friday,

3052
02:29:48,547 --> 02:29:52,147
Speaker 3: the twenty first of March next year at Sky Stadium

3053
02:29:52,187 --> 02:29:54,707
Speaker 3: in Wellington. If the All Whites win their semi final,

3054
02:29:54,947 --> 02:29:57,627
Speaker 3: then on the Monday that follows, Monday the twenty fourth

3055
02:29:57,707 --> 02:30:00,507
Speaker 3: of March at Eden Park in Auckland at seven o'clock,

3056
02:30:00,827 --> 02:30:03,667
Speaker 3: they will play for a place at the next World Cup,

3057
02:30:03,707 --> 02:30:05,707
Speaker 3: the next fief of World Cup, which will be in

3058
02:30:05,747 --> 02:30:09,227
Speaker 3: the United State, eight, Mexico and Canada in twenty twenty six.

3059
02:30:09,347 --> 02:30:12,947
Speaker 3: Direct entry for the winner of Oceania, which has never

3060
02:30:13,027 --> 02:30:16,547
Speaker 3: been the case before. So the All Whites tantalizingly close

3061
02:30:16,627 --> 02:30:19,307
Speaker 3: now to a place at the next FIFA World Cup.

3062
02:30:20,147 --> 02:30:22,827
Speaker 3: Nineteen to three. News Talks B will flick our attention

3063
02:30:22,987 --> 02:30:25,427
Speaker 3: back to mop up the final, but a rugby chat

3064
02:30:25,467 --> 02:30:26,147
Speaker 3: when we come back.

3065
02:30:26,987 --> 02:30:28,827
Speaker 2: It's more than just a game.

3066
02:30:29,187 --> 02:30:33,827
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Pine and GJ. Gardnerhomes New Zealand's

3067
02:30:33,867 --> 02:30:34,987
Speaker 1: most trusted home builder.

3068
02:30:35,107 --> 02:30:35,947
Speaker 2: News Talks n B.

3069
02:30:36,467 --> 02:30:41,907
Speaker 4: Sport feeds now the All Black Fryer search Sport again.

3070
02:30:42,307 --> 02:30:43,787
Speaker 4: The disrupted the front.

3071
02:30:45,467 --> 02:30:48,387
Speaker 6: Rug kitten.

3072
02:30:50,747 --> 02:30:51,987
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it from Elliott Smith.

3073
02:30:52,027 --> 02:30:52,627
Speaker 6: How did he do that?

3074
02:30:52,827 --> 02:30:54,507
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've watched that a few times. This all can't

3075
02:30:54,587 --> 02:30:56,187
Speaker 3: quite work it out. He's gone to kind of strip

3076
02:30:56,267 --> 02:30:58,827
Speaker 3: the ball, has Cam Royguard the number eight's kind of

3077
02:30:58,867 --> 02:31:01,867
Speaker 3: thrown a half a past to find his half back

3078
02:31:01,947 --> 02:31:04,067
Speaker 3: to pont hasn't got there. Roy Guards grabbed the ball

3079
02:31:04,147 --> 02:31:06,667
Speaker 3: run away and scored a try. How does he reflect

3080
02:31:06,787 --> 02:31:09,707
Speaker 3: on today's test at Started de France, which took place

3081
02:31:10,067 --> 02:31:13,347
Speaker 3: on his twenty fourth birthday. Well, Elliot Smith caught up

3082
02:31:13,387 --> 02:31:15,507
Speaker 3: with Cam roy Guard shortly after the final whistle.

3083
02:31:15,707 --> 02:31:17,867
Speaker 4: Well, commiserations. Probably not the birth of prison you're after,

3084
02:31:17,947 --> 02:31:19,907
Speaker 4: But how did you feel out there? And where do

3085
02:31:19,947 --> 02:31:20,147
Speaker 4: you think?

3086
02:31:20,187 --> 02:31:22,667
Speaker 17: It was? Sort of one and loss with Bill Plex Yeah.

3087
02:31:22,467 --> 02:31:25,027
Speaker 36: I think we did a good job of creating opportunities.

3088
02:31:25,867 --> 02:31:26,947
Speaker 36: You know, we had a lot of ball in the

3089
02:31:27,067 --> 02:31:29,707
Speaker 36: ideas of the field, but I guess we just weren't

3090
02:31:29,787 --> 02:31:32,947
Speaker 36: able to execute when we needed to and weren't accurate enough,

3091
02:31:33,427 --> 02:31:36,187
Speaker 36: probably forcing past us a little bit early, which probably

3092
02:31:36,267 --> 02:31:37,987
Speaker 36: kept them in the game and they were able to scramble,

3093
02:31:38,067 --> 02:31:39,387
Speaker 36: you know, or pounce.

3094
02:31:39,147 --> 02:31:40,067
Speaker 17: Off those opportunities.

3095
02:31:40,147 --> 02:31:42,427
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think.

3096
02:31:44,067 --> 02:31:46,867
Speaker 36: A tough game, you know, like it was oh, you

3097
02:31:46,947 --> 02:31:49,027
Speaker 36: know when they had momentum, ball and player, it was

3098
02:31:49,067 --> 02:31:51,307
Speaker 36: pretty chaotic and that's how they liked to play. And

3099
02:31:52,067 --> 02:31:54,107
Speaker 36: you know they showed you know that when they got

3100
02:31:54,307 --> 02:31:56,987
Speaker 36: a couple of their tries and like I said, we

3101
02:31:57,067 --> 02:31:59,027
Speaker 36: created a lot but just were enable to quite finish there.

3102
02:31:59,147 --> 02:32:01,587
Speaker 4: It felt like when they got the momentum shortly after halftime,

3103
02:32:01,667 --> 02:32:03,267
Speaker 4: Tho would determined not to let it slip.

3104
02:32:03,347 --> 02:32:04,187
Speaker 17: Did you feel that out there?

3105
02:32:04,347 --> 02:32:07,707
Speaker 36: Yeah, definitely, it was probably we could have had a

3106
02:32:07,827 --> 02:32:09,427
Speaker 36: worse start. To be honest, for that second half.

3107
02:32:09,467 --> 02:32:10,187
Speaker 22: You know, they're a very.

3108
02:32:10,107 --> 02:32:13,067
Speaker 36: Passionate side and that was probably the spark that they needed.

3109
02:32:13,227 --> 02:32:14,907
Speaker 36: You know, if it was on the other side of

3110
02:32:14,987 --> 02:32:19,227
Speaker 36: it and we got some points early or I guess

3111
02:32:19,267 --> 02:32:21,227
Speaker 36: played in that, you know, in their half, we probably

3112
02:32:21,227 --> 02:32:24,347
Speaker 36: could have had an opportunity to put them away. And

3113
02:32:24,627 --> 02:32:26,867
Speaker 36: like I said, they're a passionate side and getting their

3114
02:32:26,867 --> 02:32:28,467
Speaker 36: tails up by that they're pretty hard to stop. And

3115
02:32:29,507 --> 02:32:31,427
Speaker 36: RUMs you know, he's a great kicker, you know, didn't

3116
02:32:31,467 --> 02:32:34,867
Speaker 36: miss one tonight. It was a great test match, awesome

3117
02:32:35,067 --> 02:32:37,067
Speaker 36: part of but yeah, just big game.

3118
02:32:37,147 --> 02:32:38,427
Speaker 3: Small Mudgeins talk us through that.

3119
02:32:38,547 --> 02:32:41,427
Speaker 4: Try what you what we're seeing is Aldric got the

3120
02:32:41,467 --> 02:32:42,347
Speaker 4: ball at the back of the scrum.

3121
02:32:42,867 --> 02:32:43,427
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw that.

3122
02:32:44,227 --> 02:32:44,747
Speaker 38: We were putting.

3123
02:32:44,947 --> 02:32:47,027
Speaker 36: You know, they're scrum under a lot of pressure. Our

3124
02:32:47,107 --> 02:32:49,107
Speaker 36: forward pack, you know, set piece wise was awesome. So

3125
02:32:50,027 --> 02:32:51,867
Speaker 36: that's scrum in line it as well, putting some real

3126
02:32:51,907 --> 02:32:54,467
Speaker 36: heat on them. And I was able to, I guess,

3127
02:32:55,107 --> 02:32:56,387
Speaker 36: get ahold of the eight and I could how he

3128
02:32:56,467 --> 02:32:57,747
Speaker 36: was looking for an off flow, so I sort of

3129
02:32:58,067 --> 02:32:59,947
Speaker 36: let him try do it and manage to get in

3130
02:32:59,987 --> 02:33:02,347
Speaker 36: the way and surprise myself a little bit. And there's

3131
02:33:02,347 --> 02:33:04,827
Speaker 36: a bit of fresh air there and yeah, pretty please,

3132
02:33:04,827 --> 02:33:05,507
Speaker 36: I guess that.

3133
02:33:05,667 --> 02:33:09,187
Speaker 3: Is Camra Regard speaking to Elliot Smith after the game.

3134
02:33:09,747 --> 02:33:12,187
Speaker 3: A couple of texts through before we move on from Joe.

3135
02:33:12,267 --> 02:33:14,147
Speaker 3: This is exactly the type of game this morning all

3136
02:33:14,267 --> 02:33:17,227
Speaker 3: Rugby fans want to see. Shame the All Blacks didn't

3137
02:33:17,227 --> 02:33:19,547
Speaker 3: get the win, but there's enough evidence to suggest that

3138
02:33:19,627 --> 02:33:22,147
Speaker 3: this team is going to be a very very good one.

3139
02:33:22,507 --> 02:33:24,787
Speaker 3: I think Midfield's still work on, but our scrummer is

3140
02:33:24,827 --> 02:33:27,787
Speaker 3: becoming a real weapon. Nearly a year under the belt

3141
02:33:27,827 --> 02:33:29,947
Speaker 3: for Razor and with the blooding of new players, this

3142
02:33:30,107 --> 02:33:33,827
Speaker 3: makes for an exciting future. Roll on twenty twenty five

3143
02:33:33,907 --> 02:33:38,467
Speaker 3: couldn't agree more, and this from Aiden in Dunedin. I

3144
02:33:38,547 --> 02:33:41,667
Speaker 3: can see the razor effect on this team, not on

3145
02:33:41,827 --> 02:33:45,387
Speaker 3: patterns or play, but on mindset. Look At the arrival

3146
02:33:45,427 --> 02:33:48,227
Speaker 3: of new players into the squad and their contribution. Look

3147
02:33:48,267 --> 02:33:50,947
Speaker 3: at the energy and effort of the more senior players.

3148
02:33:51,187 --> 02:33:53,747
Speaker 3: Look at the skill set development of those players. Look

3149
02:33:53,787 --> 02:33:56,267
Speaker 3: at the trust these lads are showing in their game

3150
02:33:56,387 --> 02:33:58,867
Speaker 3: plan and each other. This is a team that are

3151
02:33:58,907 --> 02:34:01,227
Speaker 3: playing for each other and for the jersey. This is

3152
02:34:01,267 --> 02:34:04,307
Speaker 3: a team wanting to get better. This is a team

3153
02:34:04,387 --> 02:34:08,227
Speaker 3: that are coming together well, with many combinations emerging. When

3154
02:34:08,267 --> 02:34:10,267
Speaker 3: the lads got on the plane for the Northern Tour

3155
02:34:10,387 --> 02:34:13,787
Speaker 3: talk back expected two to three losses and inability to

3156
02:34:13,827 --> 02:34:16,707
Speaker 3: score in the last twenty minutes and an absent bench.

3157
02:34:17,147 --> 02:34:22,067
Speaker 3: Reality has far exceeded expectations. I'm excited, says Aiden for

3158
02:34:22,227 --> 02:34:23,947
Speaker 3: what comes next. I don't thank you for sending that

3159
02:34:24,067 --> 02:34:28,987
Speaker 3: in well articulated, well articulated. Indeed. Antoine du Pont, of course,

3160
02:34:29,507 --> 02:34:32,787
Speaker 3: was the victorious captain this morning, the French half back.

3161
02:34:33,267 --> 02:34:36,107
Speaker 3: He answered a couple of press conference questions in English

3162
02:34:36,147 --> 02:34:39,947
Speaker 3: after the game as well. Firstly, how does it feel

3163
02:34:40,187 --> 02:34:41,547
Speaker 3: to beat the All Blacks.

3164
02:34:41,827 --> 02:34:44,707
Speaker 36: And secondly, do you think you'll come to New Zealand.

3165
02:34:44,547 --> 02:34:45,987
Speaker 17: To try and beat them again next year?

3166
02:34:47,627 --> 02:34:50,787
Speaker 37: It's always special when you have the opportunity to play

3167
02:34:50,787 --> 02:34:52,987
Speaker 37: the old block, especially in y reason to start their

3168
02:34:53,027 --> 02:34:57,867
Speaker 37: front with with this atmosphere. So it was a really

3169
02:34:58,227 --> 02:34:59,307
Speaker 37: great game for us for.

3170
02:35:00,907 --> 02:35:01,707
Speaker 3: That tough game.

3171
02:35:02,747 --> 02:35:05,347
Speaker 37: We did a lot of me taking in the first

3172
02:35:05,387 --> 02:35:09,627
Speaker 37: half and the second part of the game was better

3173
02:35:09,747 --> 02:35:12,747
Speaker 37: for us where we play in their side and we

3174
02:35:12,827 --> 02:35:16,827
Speaker 37: were able to score some choice for yes, through a

3175
02:35:16,867 --> 02:35:20,947
Speaker 37: great victory for us, and I don't I'm not able

3176
02:35:21,067 --> 02:35:23,787
Speaker 37: to see it unswer for the second question for.

3177
02:35:23,867 --> 02:35:28,707
Speaker 3: The woman, sorry, come down at one you know you

3178
02:35:28,787 --> 02:35:32,187
Speaker 3: want to come down here, or maybe he doesn't. Wouldn't

3179
02:35:32,227 --> 02:35:34,147
Speaker 3: it be so good if they brought a full strength

3180
02:35:34,227 --> 02:35:37,067
Speaker 3: side next year? You know all the talk has been

3181
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Speaker 3: that you are they're going to leave a whole bunch

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Speaker 3: of players at home. But imagine that French side from

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Speaker 3: this morning coming down here for is it three tests

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Speaker 3: next year? At least two could be three. Imagine that

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Speaker 3: side coming down here next year. It'll be such a leaddown.

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Speaker 3: Mind it if it's an under strength side, given the

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Speaker 3: fact that well that's three games. That's three we'll spread

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Speaker 3: out over four years admittedly, but that's three tests wins

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Speaker 3: in a row for France over the All Blacks. Now,

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Speaker 3: surely they'd want to come down here and you know,

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Speaker 3: try repeat the dose down here. I don't know. I

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Speaker 3: know there's more at play than what I'm saying, but

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Speaker 3: be great to see them down here. Email from Leon Piney.

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Speaker 3: I respect James mcconey and his opinion, but on this

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Speaker 3: rare occasion, I have to totally disagree with him on

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Speaker 3: the topic of footy converts. If we're including players from

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Speaker 3: both sides of the Tasman it is not even close.

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Speaker 3: Number one is undoubtedly Brad Thorne, who in league won

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Speaker 3: NRL Premiership titles, State of Origin Series and honors with

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Speaker 3: the Kangaroos. In rugby union, n PC Super Rugby, All

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Speaker 3: Blacks and European honors as well. For me, Sunny Bill

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Speaker 3: is a close second with NRL KEI we Super Rugby

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Speaker 3: and All Blacks glory too. Then there is daylight between

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Speaker 3: them and the rest of the field. Very hard to

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Speaker 3: disagree with my hot take, Jason says Leon ext Leon, Yes, well,

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Speaker 3: I tend to agree. I tend to agree that brad

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Speaker 3: Thorne seems to be the gold standard when it comes

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Speaker 3: to players who have achieved success in both the fifteen

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Speaker 3: and thirteen Man games. I guess we'll wait to see

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Speaker 3: what Joseph Swa can do moving forward for the Wallabies

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Speaker 3: over the next few years with a rugby World cap

3212
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Speaker 3: and Alliance tour to put himself on the on the

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Speaker 3: world stage. Rugby Whites. Nine to three News Talk's.

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Speaker 1: EB breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails

3215
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Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Lyme News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Coming up six away from three. I think that just

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Speaker 3: about wraps up Weekend Sport for another Sunday and another weekend.

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Speaker 3: I can't think of anything that we haven't done that

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Speaker 3: we'd planned to do, and even if we had missed

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Speaker 3: anything out, we've kind of run out of time because

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Speaker 3: Tim Beveridge is banging on the studio door saying, come on,

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Speaker 3: it's time for the weekend Collective Sunday edition. So who

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02:37:48,787 --> 02:37:50,867
Speaker 3: am I to stand in the way of one of

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Speaker 3: the true stars of News Talks EDB and Tim Beveridge,

3225
02:37:53,707 --> 02:37:55,987
Speaker 3: And you come, Tim, you can go on the radio

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Speaker 3: after three o'clock. Thank you for listening in appreciate that

3227
02:37:59,627 --> 02:38:03,427
Speaker 3: you're a someone with a busy life and that anytime

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02:38:03,467 --> 02:38:05,787
Speaker 3: you spend with us we greatly appreciate. Huge thanks to

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Speaker 3: Andy mcdo as always for producing the show, answering all

3230
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Speaker 3: the phones, pulling together all the audio and the interviews.

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Speaker 3: Thanks mate, have an excellent afternoon. We're back by the

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Speaker 3: way tomorrow night between seven and eight on Sports Talk.

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Speaker 3: I guess we could re litigate some of the rugby

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Speaker 3: if that is what we choose to do the All

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Speaker 3: Whites played tomorrow night. There's other bits and pieces going on.

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Speaker 3: If Wales happened to beat Australia tomorrow morning, maybe we

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02:38:28,347 --> 02:38:31,107
Speaker 3: can get some well shrug bey on. I don't know.

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02:38:31,467 --> 02:38:35,947
Speaker 3: It's all just blue skying really and working in not absolutes.

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Speaker 3: So I think we'll wait to see what happens over

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Speaker 3: the next twenty four hours or so before we come

3241
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Speaker 3: up with our lineup for Sports Talk tomorrow night. In

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Speaker 3: terms of an exit song today, well, we were in

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Speaker 3: Paris this morning. All the All Blacks were for their

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Speaker 3: test against the French. We saw some aerial shots, including

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Speaker 3: the Eiffel Tower of course, and it just made me

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Speaker 3: think about the James Bond film. A view to a Kill,

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Speaker 3: which was filmed on location in Paris, among other places.

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Speaker 3: I can't remember where else that movie because but it

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Speaker 3: certainly took us to Paris. Duran Duranne had the soundtrack.

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Speaker 3: So it's a view to a Killed taking us out today,

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Speaker 3: Some Beaver Chapter three have a great afternoon. Mark a chest.

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Speaker 6: Fifty's a chest to die.

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Speaker 3: Kids Fine, Broken.

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Speaker 35: The Kids.

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