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Speaker 2: That'd be seven after four. Good afternoon to you. This

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Speaker 2: Is Wellington going to get another Crown Observer online gambling?

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Speaker 2: Where should the profits go? The government's looking at changes.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about that after sex. Murray Olds has the

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Speaker 2: wildest story of the day out of Australia today. And

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Speaker 2: women are better than men with money, is anyone's surprise?

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Speaker 2: Rich A lot of chat this week about international investment.

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Speaker 2: The government's got its much hyped summit with the money

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Speaker 2: the world and New Zealand, I should add, and that

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Speaker 2: yourself whether we should or could be bankrolling more of

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Speaker 2: a bigger portfolio. Last night on this program, Nicola Will

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Speaker 2: has confirmed that she's looking at changes to Kiwi Saver.

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Speaker 2: to us, Ryan Bread nine minutes after four, do you

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Speaker 2: how many subscriptions do you have? I was counting up

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Speaker 2: Hi Sahar, Hi Ryan, how are you very good? Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk just generally about the subscription issue. What is

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Speaker 2: News Talks B. It's eighteen minutes after four, Ryan, how

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Speaker 4: It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: The Americans are sticking to their guns. Both Russia and

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Speaker 4: Listens to you.

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Speaker 2: In Australia, Turnbull is locking horns with Donald Trump. This

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Speaker 2: Mariold will be with us in a second. Two. Finally,

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Speaker 1: About this international correspondence with ends in eye insurance, Peace

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Speaker 9: Hi Brian. How are you going.

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Speaker 2: What's the public making of this tiff with the between

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Speaker 9: Well, when he was Prime minister, and long before he

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Speaker 9: So it's just intriguing. What's Malcolm Turbull doing? Is he

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Speaker 9: It really is intriguing. I don't know what on earth

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Speaker 9: The government will be going, oh thanks Malcolm for nothing.

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Speaker 9: These are important export industries, vitally important for Australia with

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Speaker 9: It's crazy.

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Speaker 9: Ex tropical syde coone Alfred has withered and died just

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Speaker 9: This is crazy, isn't it. I mean this I was

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Speaker 9: a request and come around and do the job. Apparently

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Speaker 9: that's what these alleged crims did, these two ring leaders,

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Speaker 9: they put it out on social media. Anyone want to

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Speaker 9: do some jobs for money, criminal activity doesn't matter. And

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Speaker 9: you've got these other muppets turning up and willing to

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Speaker 9: go and fire bomb synagogues on the orders of these halfwards.

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Speaker 9: So here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: You've got.

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Speaker 9: One of the alleged ring leaders is a member of

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Speaker 9: a biking gang of he's not still he used to

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Speaker 9: be one of the heavies in the Nomad's Biki gang.

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Speaker 9: He is accused of a bunch of different things, but

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Speaker 9: master minding these anti Semitic taxes the key allegation against him.

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Speaker 9: He's denied it. He hasn't applied for bail. You've also

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Speaker 9: got four of the accused. Interestingly, they were taken from

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Speaker 9: jails in Sydney to local police stations and charge yesterday afternoon.

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Speaker 9: It just gets I mean, honestly, you scratch your heads.

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Speaker 9: And then what I've seen this on Telly Ryan. I

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Speaker 9: haven't seen it in real life until now.

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Speaker 2: Is this why? Because I remember when this first came

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Speaker 2: out there was some criticism of Albanesi and the government

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Speaker 2: for not releasing the details earlier. If there was a

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Speaker 2: tiar three, does that mean the cops knew all along?

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Speaker 2: That wasn't It wasn't real.

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Speaker 9: The police knew from very early on that caravan was

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Speaker 9: a duck. I mean, here's the thing. Apparently. The allegation

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Speaker 9: is a couple of Monthets went on social media and

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Speaker 9: bought a three dollar caravan. You know just what a

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Speaker 9: k they then went and got. The allegation is explosives

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Speaker 9: from the mining industry so old they could vote. Not

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Speaker 9: only were they old and not designed to go off anymore,

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Speaker 9: they didn't have a detonator and they had written a crayon,

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Speaker 9: from the sound of it, a list of Jewish targets

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Speaker 9: in Sydney or synagogue at you know, two Smith Street,

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Speaker 9: Go and form that. I mean, this is the sort

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Speaker 9: of level of intellectual replied to this alleged plot. These

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Speaker 9: people are profoundly stupid.

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Speaker 2: Murray, thank you for that. Murray Old's Australia correspondent not one.

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Speaker 2: To Vince's words, it is sixteen minutes away from five

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Speaker 2: News Talk, said be Barry soaper. Next. A lot of

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Speaker 2: lux has been filling the heat in the house this

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Speaker 2: afternoon over the school lunches thing. How did he do?

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Speaker 2: We'll find out.

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Speaker 1: Politics with Centric C to check your customers and get

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Speaker 2: Ryan Turnbull is not poking the beer in the Oval office.

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Speaker 2: It's not a beer in there. It's a squealing pig

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Speaker 2: says it says Matt, I think we'll come back to

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Speaker 2: this in a second, because there's a lot of debate

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Speaker 2: about whether what Turnbull is doing is the right approach

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Speaker 2: or not. Thirteen minutes away from five now, Barry Soap

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Speaker 2: is his senior political correspondent, Barry Good Afternoon afternoon. Right

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Speaker 2: now in the house, these school lunch singers back with

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Speaker 2: a vengeance.

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Speaker 5: Isn't it terrible?

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Speaker 6: It just goes on and on and on. I mean

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Speaker 6: a Green MP by the name of Lawrence sou Nan.

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Speaker 6: He even wrote to the Speaker to day and the

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Speaker 6: House proceedings started off with the Speakers saying, I have

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Speaker 6: received a letter from this doctor Lawrence Sunan, who apparently

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Speaker 6: has a list MP for the Greens, seeking a snap

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Speaker 6: debate on the so called exploding school lunch. I think

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Speaker 6: Jerry was in his right mind and said, no, there

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Speaker 6: won't be a snap debate on it. When a lunch

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Speaker 6: falls over, it's not a case for Parliament to charge

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Speaker 6: itself with that. In New Zealand, I just had a

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Speaker 6: look at how many lunches we supply. We supply two

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Speaker 6: hundred and thirty thousand lunches a day. That company that

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Speaker 6: went broke. They were more than one hundred thousand of those,

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Speaker 6: so that's quite significant. And I was looking around the

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Speaker 6: world and having a look at where school lunch is

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Speaker 6: being provided. Most countries are supplying them to needy schools

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Speaker 6: and needy areas. If you think of India for example,

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Speaker 6: and the primerster could take a few tips from India

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Speaker 6: on school lunches when he goes there next week. They

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Speaker 6: supply one hundred and twenty five million school lunches. Imagine that.

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Speaker 6: But anyway, look Labour's Chris Hipkins. He was banging on

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Speaker 6: about how bad the school lunches are in Parliament today.

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Speaker 6: But I believe he scored something of an own goal.

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Speaker 6: How many times have we heard about that exploding lunch

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Speaker 6: in Gisbon. I mean what happened was the kid carrying

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Speaker 6: the lunch actually dropped it and splashed a bit of

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Speaker 6: the whatever the lunch was on his leg and got burnt. Well,

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Speaker 6: it's hardly an exploding lunch. The media have called it.

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Speaker 6: Many sections of the media have called it the exploding lunch,

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Speaker 6: and Hipkins himself today called it that and the one lunch,

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Speaker 6: the more than one lunch has exploded. If you listen

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Speaker 6: to Chris Hipkins.

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Speaker 10: Listen, why is he willing to wait until term two

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Speaker 10: for the chaos David Seymour's cause to the school lunch

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Speaker 10: program to be fixed? Given kids are going hungry, lunches

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Speaker 10: are still arriving late or not at all, some of

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Speaker 10: the food is inedible, and in the worst cases, kids

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Speaker 10: are being physically injured by exploding lunches.

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Speaker 11: Well, the incident we saw last week was unacceptable and

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Speaker 11: not something we want to see at all. I think

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Speaker 11: the Minister has fronted really clearly on that actually suspending

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Speaker 11: those type of lunches through Can.

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Speaker 12: The Prime Minister confirm that yesterday's on time delivery for

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Speaker 12: the Healthy School Lunch program was ninety nine point seven

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Speaker 12: four percent? And is that better than the delivery of

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Speaker 12: the vaccine roll out which someone forgot to order?

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Speaker 6: Ouch And don't forget that Chris Hopkins was the COVID

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Speaker 6: minister he was at the time, so that was a

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Speaker 6: bit of a good comeback.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I guess there's the politics of it, and then there's

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Speaker 2: why did we give these guys the contract if they

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Speaker 2: were six weeks from going bally up so they knew

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Speaker 2: that's right, So strange David Seymour on the show After

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Speaker 2: five on that now this investment summit kicking off this

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Speaker 2: week in Auckland and the Greens are waiting.

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Speaker 6: In well, they were in Parliament today and if polls

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Speaker 6: anything to go by, of course the Labor led government

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Speaker 6: will have the Greens at the cabinet table. Have a

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Speaker 6: listen to their co leader Mardam M Davidson quizzing the

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Speaker 6: Prime Minister in Parliament about the summit and how comfortable

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Speaker 6: are you with the sort of her sort of economic thinking.

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Speaker 13: What exactly is his growth strategy to utilize and develop

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Speaker 13: our local wealth based here in Altaioa.

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Speaker 11: New Zealand has done a very very poor job over

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Speaker 11: a number of decades of attracting capital to New Zealand.

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Speaker 13: Is it fair that the biggest early childhood education provider

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Speaker 13: that New Zealanders have to send their talmadiki to so

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Speaker 13: they can go to mahe pulled in thirty two million

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Speaker 13: dollars of tax free profits last year while most people

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Speaker 13: are struggling to get by.

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Speaker 11: I mean this is just characterized as the Greens position,

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Speaker 11: doesn't it It's a de growth agenda of living in

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Speaker 11: a hermit kingdom.

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Speaker 13: Will the Prime minister increase public ownership of the basic

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Speaker 13: things we all need just to live, like school lunches,

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Speaker 13: healthcare and childcare, or will he choose to sell off all.

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Speaker 11: I have to say the Greens are totally deluded on economics.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how to say it any

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Speaker 2: other way.

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Speaker 6: That was Shane Jones yelling out marxis Marxist in the background.

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Speaker 6: But look, it is interesting, isn't And I heard your

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Speaker 6: editorial and you know it's been traditionally so hard to

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Speaker 6: raise capital in this country because we simply don't have enough.

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Speaker 6: I mean, these people are trillionaires coming to the country.

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Speaker 6: Six trillion dollars has represented at this investment summit, a

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Speaker 6: lot of money, and I've heard from some very senior

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Speaker 6: people involved in the investment community saying the problem with

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Speaker 6: New Zealand up until now is they haven't had projects

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Speaker 6: to offer. Now, hopefully over the next few days Thursday

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Speaker 6: and Friday, we'll see a number of projects on the

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Speaker 6: table so that these people can look at them and say, yeah,

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Speaker 6: that could be a good.

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Speaker 2: And hopefully having Barbara Edmonds at the giving a speech

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Speaker 2: there and showing her support make of them an indication

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Speaker 2: that yeah, it's good. It's good because you need consistency. Barry,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much, no problem to see. It's always

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Speaker 2: Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent here at News Talks. He'd

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Speaker 2: be just gone seven minutes away from five. Don't forget

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Speaker 2: David Seymour on the lunches after five o'clock. We'll look

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Speaker 2: at the fentanyl issue as well, and why apparently why

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Speaker 2: are women better with money than men?

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Speaker 4: Digging into the issues that affect you on my casking

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Speaker 4: breakfast now, the.

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Speaker 14: Poll I need to tell you this morning is full

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Speaker 14: of holes. And I wouldn't put any more weight on

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Speaker 14: it my impatience or something.

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Speaker 9: I just wanted to.

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Speaker 2: No disrespect.

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Speaker 11: But we hear the hell of a mess, and you

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Speaker 11: know we're working hard every single day to make sure

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Speaker 11: that we're cleaning up the mess.

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Speaker 14: Sponterira going down that track. It's not like that I

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Speaker 14: don't already do it. They just say we want to

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Speaker 14: concentrate on Bolk goods and.

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Speaker 2: I cannot for the work and will work out while

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Speaker 2: you think Bulk is better than that.

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Speaker 14: At back tomorrow at six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast

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Speaker 14: with the Rain Driver of the Laugh News Talk z

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Speaker 14: B four to.

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Speaker 2: Five on News Talk ZB. So you've got a whole

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Speaker 2: range of former prime ministers and politicians coming out, and

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Speaker 2: we've had so much feedback on this this afternoon. I

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Speaker 2: just want to quickly say, you know, you've had now Goff,

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Speaker 2: You've had Helen Clark over An Australia, Malcolm Turnbull. They're

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Speaker 2: all coming out and bashing Donald Trump. But it's easy

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Speaker 2: to lob grenades when you've left the building, you know,

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Speaker 2: when you're not in the hot seat anymore, when you're

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Speaker 2: not in the business of politics where you're trying to

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Speaker 2: curry favor with a powerful president who can slap you

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Speaker 2: with massive tariffs and potentially cripple parts of your economy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what is the alternative? Are we going to

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Speaker 2: turn our backs on America for the next four years?

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Speaker 2: What are people actually suggesting here? You basically just have

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Speaker 2: to nod, smile and write it out, don't you. News

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Speaker 2: Talk Saib David Seymour after News.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you trust

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Speaker 1: for the full picture. Brian Bridge on hither Duplicy Ellen

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Speaker 1: Drive with One New Zealand Let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be good men at a seven half for five.

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Speaker 2: We smelled a rat with claims of homelessness last night.

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Speaker 2: We'll update you on that in just a second. Right now,

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Speaker 2: one of the government's school lunch providers has gone into liquidation.

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Speaker 2: LaBelle Group made one hundred and twenty five thousand of

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Speaker 2: their meals each day. Liquidatas are now working with Compass Group,

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Speaker 2: that's the main group involved, to make sure that the

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Speaker 2: staff still get paid, the kitchens are open and the

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Speaker 2: kids get fed. The Athleader David Seymour is in charge.

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Speaker 2: Home Minister.

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Speaker 15: Hey, Ryan, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: Does this mean that kids are going to go without lunch?

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Speaker 15: No, We've been dealing with some difficult circumstances, but our

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Speaker 15: number one priority has been what they call business continuity,

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Speaker 15: making sure that the deliveries continue to happen.

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Speaker 2: On time and form and is it going to cost

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Speaker 2: us anything extra?

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Speaker 15: Know that the contracts is between the Ministry of Education

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Speaker 15: and Compass. That contract remains. Any issues that may be

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Speaker 15: reported in the media are between Compass and other businesses.

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Speaker 15: And really I don't want to sound like I'm avoiding

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Speaker 15: the issue, but it is actually something that needs to

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Speaker 15: be left to them.

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Speaker 2: Is this a sign that's not actually economic economically viable

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Speaker 2: to do the lunches as cheaply as you want.

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Speaker 15: Now, I'm very confident that it will continue and people

655
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Speaker 15: will see that it can be a success. It has

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Speaker 15: been a success. In many cases. People forget the good

657
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Speaker 15: news and that the good meals and the people that

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Speaker 15: are very appreciative of this program, and that's all been

659
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Speaker 15: done at a price. There's been some issues around supply.

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Speaker 15: I don't really want to go into it because there's

661
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Speaker 15: still commercial stuff going on and I don't want to

662
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Speaker 15: take sides in that. But nonetheless, you know, we're solving

663
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Speaker 15: problems and it's going to get even better.

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Speaker 2: Is it fair to say that this was the rotten apple,

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Speaker 2: that these guys were actually responsible for the bulk of

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Speaker 2: all the stuff that's been going wrong.

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Speaker 15: Look, I don't want to say that, because, like I say,

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Speaker 15: there's contracts between different businesses they have to work out

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Speaker 15: amongst themselves. Me jumping in and publicly taking sides as

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Speaker 15: the last thing that's needed right now.

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Speaker 2: Are you confident how the Ministry has handled this with

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Speaker 2: their due diligence. I mean, there were issues raised with

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Speaker 2: Libel for going back to last year, some pretty serious ones,

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Speaker 2: about delivery, about the quality, I mean, all the stuff

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Speaker 2: we've been talking about this year. Did they do enough

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Speaker 2: checks and balances?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, look, I think that they did. I think, you know,

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Speaker 15: in the fullness of time, all the details will come

679
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Speaker 15: out and people will judge that I and frankly the

680
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Speaker 15: Ministry of Education have actually acted well through this process.

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Speaker 15: What I would say is that, yes, there are criticisms

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Speaker 15: of label, there are criticisms of compass. But actually, if

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Speaker 15: you go through the whole four years of the school

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Speaker 15: lunch program under labor there were lots of criticisms, including

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Speaker 15: seven different food safety investigations, none of which were into

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Speaker 15: label or compass.

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Speaker 2: The problem you've got, though, is that Labour had one

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty six supplies. Up until last year, there

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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty six suppliers. Your cust cut cost

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Speaker 2: model only retained two of them, and now one of

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Speaker 2: them has fallen over. Doesn't look great.

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Speaker 16: Well, that's not true.

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Speaker 15: Actually, the School Lunch Collective has over twenty Zealand suppliers

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Speaker 15: that they've pulled together, many of which supply through Gilmore's.

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Speaker 15: If you saw the launch that we did here at

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Speaker 15: the Beehive near the middle end of last year, you know,

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Speaker 15: we had the names and representatives of all those different companies.

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Speaker 15: So the school Lunch Collective has always been a real

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Speaker 15: showcase of New Zealand food business rather than just two suppliers,

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Speaker 15: very multiple.

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Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is of the supply's existing supplies,

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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty six the only two to be

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Speaker 2: retained with these two. That's correct, is it not?

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Speaker 15: Well, that's that is just right.

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Speaker 4: And now.

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Speaker 15: There's but no, because you know, well what you're saying

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Speaker 15: is true as far as it goes. If you want

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Speaker 15: to win that argument, congratulations, But I just make the

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Speaker 15: point that doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Say so, yeah, I know, but doesn't that say something

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Speaker 2: about the people who were doing the checks and balances

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Speaker 2: to make sure this thing was actually going to fly.

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Speaker 15: Well, not necessarily. But again I don't want to go

714
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Speaker 15: into pointing the finger at anyone just to say that.

715
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Speaker 15: I think in the fullness of time, all the details

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Speaker 15: will come out. We practice open government and I think

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Speaker 15: people will judge that we've actually acted well here all right.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll have to wait and see. David Semill, thank

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Speaker 2: you very much for your time. That's the act party leader.

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Speaker 2: He's the one that's been lumped with the well, it's

721
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Speaker 2: the thankless task of trying to feed our kids. Eleven

722
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Speaker 2: after five, Sentinal is set to join the likes of meth,

723
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Speaker 2: cocaine and hererwin becoming a Class A drug in New Zealand.

724
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Speaker 2: Ventanal not big issue here yet, but in the US

725
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Speaker 2: it is. Other countries are starting to struggle with it.

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Speaker 2: Massive university drug researcher Chris Wilkins is with me Hi,

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Speaker 2: Chris good innen. It's not a big problem here yet,

728
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Speaker 2: but do you think it will be?

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Speaker 17: Well, this is the thing. I think this is a

730
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Speaker 17: really important and good preemptive move to reclassify fentanyl analogs

731
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Speaker 17: as class A just because I mean, we don't have

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Speaker 17: to look very far to see some really terrible levels

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Speaker 17: of opioid overdose largely related to fentanyl. Fentanyl put into

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Speaker 17: other opioids. So in the US there's been of one

735
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Speaker 17: hundred thousand jrug overdose gests per year since twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 17: So that's a real catastrophe, and the same thing as

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Speaker 17: in Canada and now I think it's just sensible to

738
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Speaker 17: start preparing and expect the worst. Preparing for the.

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Speaker 2: Worst, is it People buying it and having it knowing

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Speaker 2: what they're taking, or is it just being slipped into

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Speaker 2: something else.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, well this is the real insidious thing about fentanyl.

743
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Speaker 17: So initially fentanyl was substituted for heroin because it was

744
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Speaker 17: an opioid, but increasingly fentanyl is now being used a

745
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Speaker 17: do to adulterate a whole lot of drugs like methamphetamine

746
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Speaker 17: and cocaine as well. So they called us the fourth

747
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Speaker 17: wave of the opioid epidemic in the US. And really

748
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Speaker 17: this has been driven largely by drug producers and traffickers

749
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Speaker 17: because tunnel is so much more cheaper to produce, So

750
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Speaker 17: you can produce twenty times more fentanyl from kilogram of

751
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Speaker 17: ventanyl than heroin, so it's incredibly cheaper. So basically the

752
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Speaker 17: drug traffickers are being driven here by profit, and they've

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Speaker 17: been replacing heroin a fentanyl, but now increasingly a whole

754
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Speaker 17: lot of other drugs. And given that economic incentive, it's

755
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Speaker 17: hard to see that New Zealand is going to avoid

756
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Speaker 17: this problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the idea of making this a class at

758
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Speaker 2: a drug and I'm not saying that you know, our

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Speaker 2: police are doing anything wrong necessarily, but I mean, if

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Speaker 2: you look at cocaine, if you look at Matthews, We've

761
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Speaker 2: never had more of it, and it's never been cheaper,

762
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Speaker 2: and they are all class as. So what hope do

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Speaker 2: we have of actually stopping it?

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Speaker 17: Yeah, that's a really good point, so that this is

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Speaker 17: not the end of the story and it shouldn't be

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Speaker 17: the only response we do. And of course it's an

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Speaker 17: imperfect response. But if we're going to have a modor

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Speaker 17: where we have different classifications of drugs, that seems to me,

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Speaker 17: Fenton Or is the post a child for the top

770
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Speaker 17: of the pyramid in terms of penalties. But yes, we've

771
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Speaker 17: got to do a lot more different things, so joining

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Speaker 17: out our system in terms of drug detection, drug checking,

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Speaker 17: more border control, even being in things like fentanyl testing

774
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Speaker 17: patches where you can test the drugs. You think it's

775
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Speaker 17: methm fetterman, you think it's ecstasy, but you can detect

776
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Speaker 17: whether it's vent or in there. But there's all types

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Speaker 17: of overdose prevention and measures we could use as well.

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Speaker 2: All right, Chris, thank you very much for that. Chris Wilkins,

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Speaker 2: Massi University drug researcher with us. It's just gone fourteen

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Speaker 2: after five here on News Talks he'd be lots of

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Speaker 2: texts coming in on the school lunches as you can imagine,

782
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Speaker 2: Liz says Ryan, I'd like to know how many of

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Speaker 2: the kids receiving those free lunches actually need one. I

784
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Speaker 2: couldn't agree with you more. I think there are clearly

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Speaker 2: lots of kids who are getting a free lunch right

786
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Speaker 2: now that don't need one, whose parents could be making

787
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Speaker 2: them for them. However, separate to that, you've got a

788
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Speaker 2: company who's only been in the job six weeks of

789
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Speaker 2: term one already going bally up. How does that happen?

790
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Speaker 2: And they've got a contract with a guaranteed payment from

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Speaker 2: the government for one hundred and twenty five thousand meals

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Speaker 2: a day, So how does that work? Nine two is

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Speaker 2: number to text. Next, we're going to look at the

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Speaker 2: fact that apparently women are better with money than men.

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Speaker 2: But I promise we'd update you on the homeless numbers

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Speaker 2: that we brought you last night. Much Ado made about

818
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Speaker 2: them in Parliament today as well. We'll get to that

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Speaker 2: in a second. Right now, it is official? Can we

820
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Speaker 2: women are better with money than men? The Financial Services

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Speaker 2: Council asked questions on financial literacy and found sixty six

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Speaker 2: percent of women answered the questions correctly, blokes fifty seven percent.

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Speaker 2: Despite this, they found that women are less confident in

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Speaker 2: their financial decision making. Shelley Pelman is the financial advisor

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Speaker 2: and enable me. She's with me.

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Speaker 18: Hi, Shelley, Hi, Ryan, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Good to have you here. So basically, would that not

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Speaker 2: mean that women would be better off financially than men?

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Speaker 18: You would think so that literacy doesn't necessarily translate into confidence.

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Speaker 19: So what action?

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Speaker 2: So what's the confidence issue?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 18: I think the confidence issue I think speaks to a

834
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Speaker 18: women's innate need for security, and I think this actually

835
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Speaker 18: stems from fear. And what it does is it leads

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Speaker 18: to less risk taking. And we see that across the board,

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Speaker 18: not just in terms of the financial kind of set there.

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Speaker 18: We see that in terms of the workforce and other

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Speaker 18: risks that they might take, and not taking a risk

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Speaker 18: can lead to obviously not getting that reward from taking

841
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Speaker 18: that risk. So self doubt, you know, no self doubt.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting because I was thinking about this today. You know,

843
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Speaker 2: men take risks for good and bad, Right, we take

844
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Speaker 2: risk financially, but then we take dumb risks on the

845
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Speaker 2: roads and we end up wrapping ourselves around a lamp post.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's almost built into us that risk taking behavior,

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Speaker 2: isn't it.

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Speaker 20: It is?

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Speaker 18: And women just don't send to back themselves as much

850
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Speaker 18: as men, you know, And I think with this literacy piece,

851
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Speaker 18: they're feeling that need to arm themselves with information upstill

852
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Speaker 18: themselves in that financial space because you know, they want

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Speaker 18: to know how they can play the financial game here

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Speaker 18: in New Zealand. But hey, there's still that missing link

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Speaker 18: of actually taking action and that confidence.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if you if you subtract a little bit

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Speaker 2: of knowledge and add a little bit of you know,

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Speaker 2: does does one sort of compromise the other? If men

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Speaker 2: were smarter with you know, with their financial literacy, would

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Speaker 2: they be as aggressive and outgoing and confident?

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Speaker 18: Do you know that sometimes people arm themselves with too

862
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Speaker 18: much information And we see this here and and they

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Speaker 18: will be you know, we see that analysis paralysis thing

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Speaker 18: sometimes coming in. You know, they arm themselves with all

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Speaker 18: this information, but they're so overwhelmed by said information that

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Speaker 18: they don't actually.

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Speaker 21: Do any face.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, good point, Shelley. Thank you for that interesting discussion. Shelley,

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Speaker 2: Pullman the financial advisor to enable me. Time is twenty

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Speaker 2: one minutes after five here on News TALKSB. Who's better

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Speaker 2: with the money at your house? Nine to who do

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Speaker 2: you trust to do the investing? I guess is the

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Speaker 2: question nine two nine two is the number to text

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Speaker 2: because if you think about it, men likes, it's built

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Speaker 2: into us. Isn't it to be risk takers? When we

876
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Speaker 2: were hunter gathering, We're out there, you know, with our spares,

877
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Speaker 2: jumping on the back of buffalo. You can't sit back

878
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Speaker 2: and make calculations and you know, not go out there

879
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Speaker 2: and get it. That's really what it boils down to.

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Speaker 2: Twenty two minutes after five, News Talks.

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Speaker 4: AB getting the facts discarding the fluff.

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Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge on hither duplicy Ellen Drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 2: News TALKSB five twenty five This business with homelessness. Last

885
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Speaker 2: night we brought you the story from Auckland Council and

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Speaker 2: I smelled a bit of a rat with this just

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Speaker 2: because of the way that the press release was framed.

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Speaker 2: What Auckland Council was saying about this, It's come from

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Speaker 2: the Council's Community Committee. They were basically blaming the government

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Speaker 2: their changes to emergency housing for a spike and homelessness.

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Speaker 2: They claimed that homelessness in the city had increased by

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Speaker 2: more than fifty percent from September to January, which is

893
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Speaker 2: quite alarming, right, and they certainly found it alarming. Now

894
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Speaker 2: this Auckland councilor Angela Dalton, came on the program to

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Speaker 2: talk about this.

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Speaker 16: Well, it's just the size of the increase, right, that

897
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Speaker 16: is really quite shocking for us. So we haven't seen

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Speaker 16: such a spike like that before.

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Speaker 2: She was really really worried about it. When we were

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Speaker 2: were alarmed and the opposition was onto this today in

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Speaker 2: the house that you listened after two o'clock, Chris Hipkins

902
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Speaker 2: had this to say, why is.

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Speaker 10: The number of rough sleepers in Auckland increased by fifty

904
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Speaker 10: three percent over the last four months and is it

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Speaker 10: a coincidence that that occurred at the same time his

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Speaker 10: government kicked six hundred and ninety Auckland households out of

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Speaker 10: emergency hous.

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Speaker 2: It sounds bad right. Last night with Angela Dalton, we

909
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Speaker 2: wanted to know how that number that they've come up

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Speaker 2: with compared to previous quarters, so it's not seasonal it's

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Speaker 2: not because we've got warmer weather. I mean, what were

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Speaker 2: the numbers last dast January.

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Speaker 16: I haven't got the numbers on me for January last year.

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Speaker 16: But this is not a stational spike that we're saying, right, do.

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Speaker 2: You know how these numbers compare those to previous quarters?

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Speaker 16: The specifically the spike is higher than previous.

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Speaker 2: Quarters, so you can understand. We went to ask Auckland

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Speaker 2: Council today about the numbers because from this interview it

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Speaker 2: would seem that they exist. Turns out they don't. Auckland

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Speaker 2: Council this afternoon told us they couldn't provide the data

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Speaker 2: for previous surveys because they only started doing this homelessness

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Speaker 2: survey in September.

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Speaker 16: Well, we're alarmed.

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Speaker 2: I'm certainly alarmed too about the data that you're providing.

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Speaker 2: Twenty seven after five Bridge coming up after five thirty News,

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Speaker 2: we're going to speak to Nick Legget. He's Wellington Water chair.

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Speaker 2: Apparently the government seriously considering putting another Crown observer into Wellington,

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Speaker 2: not to the Council but to Wellington Water. This time

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Speaker 2: Nick Leggett after News, so.

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Speaker 1: Again Pudding the challenging questions to the people at the

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Speaker 1: heart of the story. It's Ryan Bridge on hither du

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Speaker 1: for c Allen Drive with one New Zealand let's get

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Speaker 1: connected news talks.

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Speaker 22: That'd be.

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Speaker 2: Good even twenty five, twenty four minutes away from Sex

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Speaker 2: here on news talks. He'd be coming up after six

937
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Speaker 2: o'clock Brook van Velden on this idea that we'll have

938
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Speaker 2: online gambling and the money not going towards charitable causes

939
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Speaker 2: of here in New Zealand, but two profits offshore also

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Speaker 2: out of the UK. We'll talk to end Brady before

941
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Speaker 2: the end of the show at seven tonight. Out of

942
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Speaker 2: the UK. You thought what the the national government he

943
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Speaker 2: was doing to health un z and to Futtter Order

944
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Speaker 2: was bad. Well wait, do you see what labor is

945
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Speaker 2: doing to the NHS. NHS England is going to go

946
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Speaker 2: from thirteen thousand staff to six and a half thousand.

947
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Speaker 2: This is a labor Health Minister, Health secretary. We'll talk

948
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Speaker 2: to anybody about that before seven.

949
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Speaker 4: Bryan Bridge.

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Speaker 2: Right now, is Wellington about to get another Crown Observer?

951
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Speaker 2: How many sets of training wheels can you have for

952
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Speaker 2: a city? Simon Watson's The local government minister is considering

953
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Speaker 2: all options on this Apparently this is to do with

954
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Speaker 2: Wellington Water, not Wellington Council. Nick Leggett is the Wellington

955
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Speaker 2: Water chair. Of course, there's been the report that found

956
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Speaker 2: the troubled organizations being paying contract is much more than

957
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Speaker 2: the water authorities. The Mayor and others have called for

958
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Speaker 2: Knick's resignation, but he's not going anywhere. He's with me now,

959
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Speaker 2: Hi Nick, Hello Ryan, What do you reckon about? A

960
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Speaker 2: Crown observer?

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Speaker 23: Would ultimately be the decision of the Minister, and I

962
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Speaker 23: don't understand. I'm not aware of what he's considering specifically

963
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Speaker 23: or what would likely happen, but I do remember that

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Speaker 23: the current Crown observer was put in place due to

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Speaker 23: concerns over water. I mean, I think that Wellington City

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Speaker 23: Council is one of the shareholders of Wellington Water has

967
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Speaker 23: made its views pretty clear in the last few weeks.

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Speaker 23: But there is a significant long term under investment in wastewater,

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Speaker 23: stormwater and of course our fresh water pipes in Wellington

970
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Speaker 23: and other services. And so there was Andy Foster when

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Speaker 23: he was Mayor of Wellington, did a report, a Mayoral

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Speaker 23: Task Force report I think at about twenty twenty, and

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Speaker 23: that showed, you know, really significant underspends, and the truth

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Speaker 23: is that councils are pulled in every other direction at

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Speaker 23: the moment and the many have chosen not to spend

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Speaker 23: on water.

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Speaker 2: Well no, that that's true. The problem for if you're

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Speaker 2: a Wellington rate payer, you've got counsels who haven't been

979
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Speaker 2: investing in their water. But then also you guys have

980
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Speaker 2: been charging them too much when they do.

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Speaker 23: Yes, And that's exactly what we've come clean about.

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Speaker 2: So does change Is Wellington so broken that everyone needs

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Speaker 2: someone holding their hand? I mean, does every organization in

984
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Speaker 2: this last city need as crown observer?

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Speaker 3: You do?

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Speaker 23: You know what I think Wellington needs. Wellington needs a

987
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Speaker 23: new water entity that owns its own assets, can raise

988
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Speaker 23: money off those assets and get good value for the

989
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Speaker 23: money it spends, and get them replaced as soon as possible.

990
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Speaker 23: And that's what that's why getting Wellington water sorted. That's

991
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Speaker 23: why we've come to people and said, look, we've been

992
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Speaker 23: charged too much in some areas over time. It's not

993
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Speaker 23: good enough. We've made changes, we fixed that, but it's

994
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Speaker 23: all in preparation for this new water entity that will

995
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Speaker 23: start sort of next year.

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Speaker 9: And you know, can I just give you an examp.

997
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Speaker 2: We're running out of time, but will you will you

998
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Speaker 2: put your hand up to lead it?

999
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Speaker 23: No anywhere near are you doing my jobs to fix

1000
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Speaker 23: what we've what we've got and hand it over as

1001
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Speaker 23: so it's as good. It's doing the best it possibly can.

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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, Nick, we have to leave it there. I

1003
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Speaker 2: appreciate your time. Nick, leg get Wellington water chair not

1004
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Speaker 2: going anywhere. It's twenty one away from six.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find you're

1006
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Speaker 1: one of a kind.

1007
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Speaker 2: On the huddle tonight. Mike Munroe, former chief of staff

1008
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Speaker 2: to just Sinda do Mike, good evening to you, Ryan,

1009
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Speaker 2: how are you? Yeah? Good, thank you? And Marris Williamson's

1010
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Speaker 2: here Auckland councilor former National Party minister of course, Morris

1011
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Speaker 2: good evening, good evening. The school lunch program, Mike, I'll

1012
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Speaker 2: be interested to hear your take on this, like politically

1013
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 2: is it is it death by a thousand cuts or

1014
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 2: are there enough New Zealanders who think this program is

1015
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 2: a raught anyway? And not every kid needs the lunch,

1016
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Speaker 2: the free lunch that they're getting.

1017
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Speaker 24: No, I don't agree with your letter comment. Look, this

1018
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Speaker 24: is this is turning into a ambles and a real

1019
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 24: political time time bomb, I should say for Luxon. I

1020
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Speaker 24: mean today we had another day, another disaster with this

1021
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Speaker 24: company sort of going into liquidation. You've got to remember

1022
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Speaker 24: that this is one of those sort of Middle New

1023
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Speaker 24: Zealand issues and it's threatening, threatening right now to engulf

1024
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Speaker 24: lux and his government. You've got struggling fanilies from all

1025
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Speaker 24: over the country who rely on this program. Now they

1026
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Speaker 24: send their kids off to school without a lunch box

1027
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Speaker 24: now because their belief is that the school's going to

1028
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Speaker 24: provide a lunch and it's sort of not. That's not

1029
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Speaker 24: happening as regularly and as reliably as it should be.

1030
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Speaker 24: So Luxin's got to get his two ministers together, the

1031
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Speaker 24: three educations has banged their heads together and tell them

1032
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Speaker 24: to get the sorted before it starts to sort of

1033
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Speaker 24: cause him a lot more trouble than it already has.

1034
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Speaker 2: Maurris, do you agree with that? Do you think it's

1035
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Speaker 2: it's permeating his you know, his popularity and what's left

1036
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Speaker 2: of it.

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Speaker 25: I think it's an absolute total disaster. But what I

1038
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Speaker 25: don't get, I really just don't understand it. I grew

1039
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Speaker 25: up in a rural community a lot of poor people

1040
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Speaker 25: and so on. Everybody got lunches in some way, for

1041
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Speaker 25: some form somehow, and parents did it. They went without

1042
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Speaker 25: for other things. And kids are at school for about

1043
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Speaker 25: half of the number of days in a year. So

1044
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Speaker 25: what do they eat with us six weeks of school

1045
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 25: holidays over January? What do they eat during those days?

1046
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Speaker 25: My view is this has just become such a political

1047
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 25: football that people have got to be fed by the

1048
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Speaker 25: government or they won't get fed at all. That didn't

1049
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Speaker 25: happen right through the depression, didn't happen right through the forties, fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties,

1050
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Speaker 25: So why is it now we've made this dependent generation

1051
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Speaker 25: that if you don't get the meal provided by the government,

1052
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Speaker 25: then you won't get a meal at all.

1053
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And also if you don't eat the meal, then

1054
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Speaker 2: you can't be hungry. Mike, Now, well, that's right.

1055
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Speaker 24: In fact, I can remember the experience was my own

1056
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Speaker 24: children gained to school when lunch is coming home untouched,

1057
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Speaker 24: and you still wonder how they get through the day

1058
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Speaker 24: energy wise. But the fact is kids do need to eat,

1059
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Speaker 24: and most kids will eat. And there's a lot of

1060
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Speaker 24: people out there right now struggling with all sorts of

1061
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Speaker 24: cost of living issues, who are finally it hard to

1062
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Speaker 24: provide a reliable lunch service themselves for their kids. You

1063
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Speaker 24: know that the state has stepped in to provide the service,

1064
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Speaker 24: and the state steps steps in to do it, they

1065
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Speaker 24: should at least do it properly.

1066
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Speaker 25: All right, I agree with the second part. I think

1067
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Speaker 25: of the state does step under do it. I just

1068
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Speaker 25: think there are other ways of If people are desperately

1069
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Speaker 25: short of money, then there should be a welfare benefit

1070
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Speaker 25: payment or something. But there are a hell of and

1071
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Speaker 25: I don't like saying this, but I'll tell you right now,

1072
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Speaker 25: the whole lot of parents who won't get off their

1073
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Speaker 25: ass and butter some bread and stick something nutritional in

1074
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Speaker 25: a little plastic pack and send the kid off. So well,

1075
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Speaker 25: someone else is going to do it for me. And

1076
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Speaker 25: I'm sorry. I just think that we've become so reliant

1077
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Speaker 25: on the bloody state for so many things. On getting

1078
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Speaker 25: sick of it.

1079
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Speaker 2: Marris Williamson and Mike Munroe here on the huddle tonight.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk subscriptions next. If you've got a

1081
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Speaker 2: Netflix subscription, if you've got a hellow Fresh subscription in particular,

1082
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Speaker 2: then you'll want to be listening to this.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the Ones

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Speaker 1: with Local and Global Reach.

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Speaker 2: Mike Munro and Marris Williamson on the Huddle tonight. Now

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Speaker 2: the Commerce Commission is taking Hello Fresh to court this

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00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 2: overclaims that it basically roped in people who had stopped

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Speaker 2: their subscriptions to Hello Fresh and they do food and

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Speaker 2: all sorts of groceries stop them. They then called them

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Speaker 2: out of the blue and said, oh, here's a deal

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00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 2: for you, and people didn't realize that that taking that

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00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,919
Speaker 2: deal meant that it would reactivate their subscription and they're

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Speaker 2: locked into the cycling. It's just hard to shake it free. Mike,

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Speaker 2: have you had any problems getting out of a subscription

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Speaker 2: that you've signed up to?

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Speaker 9: Yes? I have.

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Speaker 24: Otherwise I've, you know, often taken a long time to

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00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 24: complete the process to get out of it. And it shouldn't.

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Speaker 24: It shouldn't take a long time. It should be simple.

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Speaker 24: They should be young, one or two buttons to press

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Speaker 24: and then then push submits. Look, I'm just pleased to

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Speaker 24: see the Communs Commision and taking some action here. They've

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Speaker 24: been doing a lot of tut tutting and sticking statements

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00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 24: on their website. Well that's not good enough. It's about

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Speaker 24: time they talk someone to court. And so look, I say,

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Speaker 24: all power to their arm in this case with Hello Fresh.

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Speaker 24: It's just it's the sneakiness of it that the tactics

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Speaker 24: they use to keep people engaged or as you say,

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00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 24: you know, the example you used to get people signed

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Speaker 24: up again when they've got no idea the signing up.

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Speaker 24: Where New Zealand's been dragging the chain on this for

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Speaker 24: a long time. Other countries have taken steps to tidy

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Speaker 24: it up, and it's about time we did as well.

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Speaker 24: And maybe this commerce commission actually against Hello Fresh will

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Speaker 24: sort of, you know, be the start of good things

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Speaker 24: to come in that regard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it annoys the hell out of me, this stuff, Morris.

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00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 2: It really gets the belly. Is the fire in my

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00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 2: belly going? How about you?

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 25: I've had an idea to develop the best app going.

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00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 25: If someone wants to be in the app development community,

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Speaker 25: go out that. You run it in the background. It

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Speaker 25: monitors all of your subscriptions. It alerts you if you

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Speaker 25: haven't been using one for two to three months. Because

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Speaker 25: I found a s. I had an Amazon Prime. I

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Speaker 25: turn up, my wife had an Amazon Prime, and my

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Speaker 25: son had an Amazon Prime, paying so much months to

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Speaker 25: have it. We could have done it all in the

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Speaker 25: one account. An app that monitored your things said, look,

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Speaker 25: you haven't used this account for three months?

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Speaker 4: Do you want it to go?

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Speaker 25: It sent all of the necessaries and closed it off.

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Speaker 25: I reckon that app would be just the most valuable

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Speaker 25: thing you could have on your device right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, popular, Yeah, it would be, certainly would be.

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Speaker 2: You should be able to do it in one click.

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Speaker 2: That's what the what the consumer sid says, And I think,

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Speaker 2: but you.

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Speaker 25: Don't even remember you've got you know, there are all

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Speaker 25: these movie services, and we signed up to tennis because

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Speaker 25: tennis has got a fantastic website.

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Speaker 2: You watched a few.

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Speaker 25: Games, and then you leave it, and then a while

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Speaker 25: later you find your bank statement. Bliddy, hell, have I

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Speaker 25: been paying that for the rest of this year? I

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00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 25: didn't you just you know something that told you you

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Speaker 25: had that, or you stupidly enough agreed to a trial.

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Speaker 25: You trial something, and of course the trial immediately clicks

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Speaker 25: into full time. If you didn't do anything about it.

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Speaker 25: It's not so much that sneaky stuff. I'm okay with

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Speaker 25: killing that off. I would just love to know everything

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Speaker 25: that's going on that I'm not using and that I'm

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01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 25: still paying for Mike.

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Speaker 2: We've got Brock van Velden on the show after six tonight.

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Speaker 2: Should online gambling providers have to put some of their

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Speaker 2: profits towards the local community and local community groups? Because

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Speaker 2: Brook van Velden says no.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, Well, I'm really stunned by this one. I can't

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Speaker 24: I can't work out why they why they wouldn't. I

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Speaker 24: mean all the sort of local pokes and companies that

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Speaker 24: operate machines and pubs, et cetera, that are required to

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Speaker 24: distribute about forty percent. I think it is of their revenue,

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Speaker 24: and I can't see why it wouldn't also apply to

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Speaker 24: online gathering gambling, I should say, because you know, rather

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Speaker 24: than give them money to communities, to sports clubs, kids

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Speaker 24: forty clubs, surf life savers or whatever, you know, all

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Speaker 24: this coins going off to oversee shareholders. So I just

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Speaker 24: don't know why you wouldn't bring it into line with

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Speaker 24: gambling elsewhere.

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Speaker 25: Morris, She's got a reasonably good point, though she sort

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Speaker 25: of worry that you start creating enormous dependency for various

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Speaker 25: sort of community groups on gambling revenue. And I would

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Speaker 25: have thought, I mean, we are just being bombarded with

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Speaker 25: gambling ads now, The tav Nightly is just probably the

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Speaker 25: biggest advertiser on TV, and I would have thought that's

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Speaker 25: just nothing but a drain on society and a drain

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Speaker 25: on the economy, and a drain on poor people who

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Speaker 25: can't even pay for the kids lunches. So I don't

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Speaker 25: get this gambling stuff.

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Speaker 4: Do I get it all.

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Speaker 2: I get that there's good public health reasons for it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But the thing is, it's not that they're stopping it Morris.

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Speaker 2: So if it's going to happen, then surely you would

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Speaker 2: prefer that the profits of it go towards something decent

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Speaker 2: at least, you know.

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Speaker 25: Well, okay, I'm in two much about it. I actually

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Speaker 25: think you're going to create dependency on social groups if

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Speaker 25: you are taking the taxes off it from people who

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Speaker 25: are gambling and giving them money as handouts, because then

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Speaker 25: one day if that particular gambling operation falls over and

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Speaker 25: goes ballly up, there'll be a yelling and screaming, well,

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Speaker 25: what are we going to do? We've lost all our

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Speaker 25: source of income.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, fair enough. Hey, your app idea is taking

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Speaker 2: off with the listeners. Morris, someone says, what is the

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Speaker 2: app that Morris mentioned?

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Speaker 25: The writing it as we speak.

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Speaker 2: But then actually someone else, John has text and to say, Morris,

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Speaker 2: there's already an app that does this. It's called rocket

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01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 2: money or go to rocket money dot com. Apparently that's

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01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 2: either a very good scam and we're about to all

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Speaker 2: get scammed, or it's a gentleman app. Thank you very

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Speaker 2: much for coming on, guys. Great to have you both.

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Speaker 2: Mike Monroe, former chief of staff to Jacindra Adourn, and

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Speaker 2: Morris Williamson, Auckland councilor, former National Party minister. Time is

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Speaker 2: nine minutes away from six. I also love this text

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Speaker 2: from Beck's him, Ryan, I've got a great idea. Give

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Speaker 2: the school lunch program to Hello Fresh. They will deliver

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Speaker 2: whether you want it or not.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather dupers Alan Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 2: News TALKSB six minutes away from sex. Don't forget Van

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Speaker 2: Valden on the Pokey Well the online pokies. I suppose

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Speaker 2: if that's a term you want to use. She's with

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01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 2: us after six to talk about where those profits should go.

1217
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 2: Over in Paris, so tonight's Saudi Arabia. They're having the

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01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 2: peace talks between the US and Ukraine's Zelenski won't be there,

1219
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 2: but they're at least having some discussions. That's taking place

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01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: tonight and then Wednesday overnight, so tomorrow night our time.

1221
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 2: In Paris, there are talks for this so called Coalition

1222
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Speaker 2: of the Willing, and we are sending along one of

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01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 2: our defense force attashes heading from London from New Zealand

1224
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 2: House in London over to Paris for this meeting. This

1225
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 2: is the French and the Brits trying to get an

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Speaker 2: international force together and ready should there be some kind

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Speaker 2: of peace deal or should there be some kind of

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01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 2: truth or cease fire, at the very least that you

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Speaker 2: will have an international force ready to try and stop

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Speaker 2: Russia from re entering Ukraine with and that's even possible,

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01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 2: as anyone's guess, but we are at least stending well

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01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 2: along one of our defense forcetatashas to find out what's

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Speaker 2: going on there. Just gone five away from six Bryant

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Speaker 2: Bridge back to Wellington, just a very briefly Chris Luxon

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01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 2: today said that Wellington City Council was quote pretty lame,

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Speaker 2: oh because they're political leaders and actually did we need,

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01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 2: actually any of us need reminding of why they are

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01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 2: just such a dog's breakfast in Wellington again, Well apparently

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Speaker 2: we did.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 2: Wellington City Council is part of the Wellington Regional Leadership Group,

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Speaker 2: which is a bunch of councilors, a bunch of ewe,

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01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 2: a bunch of local community members. They're part of this

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01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 2: Wellington Regional Leadership Group committee, I should say whatever they

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01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 2: call themselves. Who cares anyway, They had the opportunity to

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01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 2: sign up for the Government's City Deals. Now this City

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01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 2: Deals is a new concept that national is brought in

1248
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 2: and it will give you access to funding and finance

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01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 2: tools for infrastructure. Now that's obviously something that Wellington could

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01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 2: use very much. Please and thank you. Did they do

1251
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 2: you think put their application in on time? Did they

1252
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 2: put an application in at all? The answer is no.

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01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 2: It just beggars belief. Of all the cities in New

1254
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 2: Zealand that could do with one of these things, it

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01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,439
Speaker 2: would be Wellington. But they didn't. They said they didn't

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01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 2: have time. They're focusing on fixing their water issues on

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01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 2: their own to begin with, I mean it beggars belief,

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01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 2: doesn't it. And let's not forget they found the time

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01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 2: and the effort and the resource to put in a

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01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 2: submission on the Treaty's Principals Bill, which was going nowhere

1261
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 2: is going nowhere. But they can't put in a bid

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01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 2: for a city deal. What's wrong Wellington? What's right Wellington?

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Speaker 2: Three minutes away from six.

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Speaker 7: It's a real shame. And the Prime Minister had to

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01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 7: distract us from that important story by using the word

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Speaker 7: lamo and making that the headline in the Year of

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Speaker 7: Our Lord twenty twenty five. Is it possible to use

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Speaker 7: the word lamo without sounding like a little bit lame

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Speaker 7: o yourself like you're twelve?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it takes you back to primary school, isn't it? Anyway?

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Speaker 24: I read the.

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Speaker 2: Story regardless work we cut through the other headlines. Good

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Speaker 2: to have you on the show tonight. Brook Van Valdman

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Speaker 2: is with us next talking about online gambling. You're on

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Speaker 2: News Talks EDB.

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01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 4: Keeping track of where the money is flowing.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and Insurance and Investments,

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Speaker 1: Grow your Wealth, Protect Your Future.

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Speaker 2: Heb it is seven minutes after six. Great to have

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Speaker 2: your company tonight stocks down in the US and here

1282
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 2: in New Zealand. This off the back of Trump's comments

1283
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 2: about recession. We'll look at that with Brad Olsen in

1284
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 2: just a few moments. Also, Jamie McKay puts those numbers

1285
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Speaker 2: that we brought you last night on Fonterra into some

1286
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 2: context and also brings us new numbers for our beef

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01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 2: farmers tonight. Right now, sky City and the Tab. They

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01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 2: are complaining that there won't be a level playing field

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01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 2: when this new regulation for online gambling comes into effect.

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Speaker 2: The government is going to auction off fifteen licenses to

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01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 2: run an online casino in New Zealand, but both local

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01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 2: and international companies will be allowed to bid for the licenses.

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Speaker 2: Here's the problem, lott O, Poke Machines and the Tab.

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Speaker 2: They all have to donate a portion of the money

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Speaker 2: that they make to community groups, but there'll be no

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Speaker 2: requirement for the winners of these fifteen options to do that.

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Speaker 2: Brook van Velden is the Internal Affairs Minister and she's

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Speaker 2: with me tonight. Hey, Brook Beneving Ryan, thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with me. I really appreciate you coming on. Wouldn't

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Speaker 2: it be better for us if domestic operators that you

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Speaker 2: know they pay tax here, they employ people here, they

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Speaker 2: give some money to local groups, etc. Wouldn't it be

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Speaker 2: better if they got the licenses?

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Speaker 20: Already a range of people who are paying tax in

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Speaker 20: New Zealand for online gambling. It's not just you know,

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Speaker 20: some of our pokes and casinos. There's already thirty six

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Speaker 20: operators paying tax. What I think is really important here

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Speaker 20: is this is about trying to build a competitive market

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Speaker 20: where we are enabling people to be able to play

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Speaker 20: safely in a regulated market, which is not the case

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Speaker 20: at the moment. But we also are not trying to

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Speaker 20: restrict it so much that we're not actually channeling people

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Speaker 20: into that market. So if you look at a New

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Speaker 20: Zealand consumer wanting to play games, there's hundreds of websites

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Speaker 20: available at the moment, unregulated in New Zealand. How do

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Speaker 20: we get that balance right for the number which I've

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Speaker 20: set at fifteen to ensure that there is competition, there

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Speaker 20: is choice in the market, so that someone who does

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Speaker 20: want to play actually has those options. If we went

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Speaker 20: for just you know, domestic providers only well I'm sorry

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Speaker 20: to say, we're a very more country and there's only

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Speaker 20: about two people that could currently possibly into that market.

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Speaker 20: And I know when we look at things like supermarkets,

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Speaker 20: when we look at banks, when we don't have competition,

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Speaker 20: it's not a good market.

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Speaker 2: But do we want a good market when it comes

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Speaker 2: to gambling.

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Speaker 20: Well, what's really important is in order to have harm minimization,

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Speaker 20: which is at the heart of why I'm doing this,

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Speaker 20: we have to allow for there to be a range

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Speaker 20: of products that people actually want to play with. You know,

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Speaker 20: if you've got people at the moment, I think it's around.

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Speaker 2: Three points Minister, Sorry, but that just sounds back to front.

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Speaker 2: In order to make sure we've got harm minimization, we

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Speaker 2: need to make sure we've got good options for people

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Speaker 2: to gamble. I mean, it sounds backwards, it's true, just

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Speaker 2: let me walk you through it.

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Speaker 20: So at the moment, around three point six percent of

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Speaker 20: people in New Zealand gamble online already, but it's not

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Speaker 20: a safe market. There are no harm minimization standards for

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Speaker 20: things like age fever, for or being able to actually

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Speaker 20: withdraw your winnings. We're going to put in place some

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Speaker 20: strong regulations to ensure that children can't play online and

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Speaker 20: you can get your money out. There'll be a whole

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Speaker 20: bunch others as well. But in order to get people

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Speaker 20: who are currently gambling and people who might in the

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Speaker 20: future want to gamble into a safe and regulated market,

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Speaker 20: we have to have options for them to play with,

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Speaker 20: not just one or two providers. They have to be attractive.

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Speaker 20: There has to be a competition, and that makes for

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Speaker 20: a good market.

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Speaker 2: What's to stop these people who are using these offshore

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Speaker 2: providers at the moment from just keeping on doing that.

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Speaker 20: Well, it's possible, but this is called the channeling effect.

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Speaker 20: So what will end up doing is changing the market.

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Speaker 20: So people can advertise, they can let people know about

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Speaker 20: what their products are, but you've got some very strict

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Speaker 20: criteria about what you can and cannot do, and if

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Speaker 20: you breach any of those obligations could revoke your license

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Speaker 20: or give you a fine of up to five million dollars.

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Speaker 20: It's really important that we acknowledge people do gamble online,

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Speaker 20: but it is currently unsafe in New Zealand. So if

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Speaker 20: you're put in place those harmonimization standards.

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Speaker 2: Okay, But if you're a foreign foreign gambling online gambling

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Speaker 2: company you've currently got some market share in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Presumably you've attracted customers by advertising to them in some way,

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Speaker 2: shape or form. Who's going to be policing online ads

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Speaker 2: for gambling.

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Speaker 20: Well, at the moment ads for online gambling are illegal,

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Speaker 20: that can't happen, but the IA do work to take

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Speaker 20: them down. That is one of the functions of DEA,

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Speaker 20: and I understand the Internet service providers have been very

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Speaker 20: willing to take down illegal advertising of online gambling. What

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Speaker 20: will happen going forward is if there are people who

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Speaker 20: have licenses in other jurisdictions, and bear in mind the

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Speaker 20: UK has hundreds of different licenses online gambling. If any

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Speaker 20: of those people are illegally operating in New Zealand, our regulator,

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Speaker 20: through DEA, will get in touch with international regulators to

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Speaker 20: let them know that they're breaching our laws and that

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Speaker 20: could be a breach of their own license abilities and

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Speaker 20: other jurisdictions. So having our regulator work across borders to

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Speaker 20: let people know that there's been breaches in our country

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Speaker 20: will help to create this regulated, safe market.

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Speaker 2: Presumably you've had advice up the wazoo on this. How

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Speaker 2: many people do you imagine that this is going to

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Speaker 2: stop problem gambling.

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Speaker 20: Well, it's actually really hard to know. You know, we

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Speaker 20: don't have good data at the moment on even how

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Speaker 20: many people are specifically problem gamblers and how many people

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Speaker 20: have been helped by problem gambling services. My aim with

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Speaker 20: regulating the market is that we will actually capture better

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Speaker 20: data on who is gambling online and has a problem

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Speaker 20: with it. So, for example, a licensed provider would need

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Speaker 20: to show DIA over time how many people are using

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Speaker 20: their services and would even have breakdown data on what

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Speaker 20: that type of use has been like. So we can

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Speaker 20: actually capture data that we don't currently have because the

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Speaker 20: market is unregulated.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good luck with this, Brook. I note that the

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Speaker 2: tax take will be what around thirteen million bucks a

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Speaker 2: year for the first few years, so I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 2: good luck. It sounds very It sounds like it's going

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Speaker 2: to be an uphill battle if I'm being honest, to

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Speaker 2: get to actually make this something that the public will

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Speaker 2: find palatable, just because gambling is so destructive for people.

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Speaker 2: That's Brook van Valde and the Internal Affairs Minister. It's

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Speaker 2: gone fourteen minutes after six. Coming up next, we're going

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Speaker 2: to look at the markets in the US and here

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand off the back of recession fares in

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Speaker 2: the States.

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Speaker 2: That'd be a bunch of feedback on Brook van Valdem.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that shortly, along with Jamie McKay, who's

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Speaker 2: got an update on Fonterra for us like we predicted

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Speaker 2: for you yesterday. The US market's got the jitters today,

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Speaker 2: this after Donald Trump's comments about the economy refused to

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Speaker 2: rull out of recession. Wall Street worst day for twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five so far, S and P five hundred down

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01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:33,640
Speaker 2: two point seven, NASDAK down four. Here in Australia and

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Speaker 2: New Zealand, we were down the nz aex fifty, the

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Speaker 2: ASEX two hundred, both down point eight percent. Brad Olsen

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Speaker 2: is Informetric's principal economist. He's with me now, hey, Brad,

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Speaker 2: good evening. Is this an overreaction, do you reckon or

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Speaker 2: a real concern?

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Speaker 26: I think it's some pretty valid concerns coming out of

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Speaker 26: the US, and really this is just condensing all of

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Speaker 26: that risk, all of that worry, all of that uncertainty

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Speaker 26: that's been coming through. When you know the president and

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Speaker 26: is asked directly, are we on track for a recession,

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Speaker 26: and he doesn't immediately say no, we're not. I think

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Speaker 26: that's a pretty strong signal to investors, and certainly that's

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Speaker 26: how the market's taken it. That Actually the worry from

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Speaker 26: the new US president over how people's stocks do, how

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Speaker 26: the markets are going, how the economy is going. He's

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Speaker 26: willing to sort of give that up, and he's showing

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Speaker 26: that that's already happening. So I think people have been

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Speaker 26: sort of wavering. If you look at where the markets

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Speaker 26: were after Trump was elected, there was a real sort

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Speaker 26: of rally that came through an expectation there was a

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Speaker 26: lot of growth possibly coming forward, and everyone sort of

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Speaker 26: ignored the negatives. But I think there's been something like

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Speaker 26: three point four trillion US dollars that's been wiped off

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Speaker 26: since you know, those some of those higher points have

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Speaker 26: come through. So you are now into a position where

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Speaker 26: I think people are really going, look, we're just not

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Speaker 26: sure what the fundamentals of growth in the US economy are.

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Speaker 26: Of course, how the US economy goes has implications for

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Speaker 26: global growth, exports and everything else, which is why our

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Speaker 26: markets and the Asian markets have also taken a dive.

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Speaker 26: Long story short, no one's quite sure where they're making

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Speaker 26: money in the short term.

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Speaker 2: From Yeah, and it is a concern for I mean,

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Speaker 2: I was saying last night that forget about Hipkins, Luckson's

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Speaker 2: biggest problem or biggest political opponent is actually Trump because

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Speaker 2: he's he could potentially put the kibosh on our growth plans, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that is a real risk, absolutely, and given that,

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Speaker 2: you know the focus of our sort of trade growth

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Speaker 2: over the last year or two has been a lot

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Speaker 2: more around the US economy. You know, that was an

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Speaker 2: area that did quite well for US, but it's now

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Speaker 2: in a much shakier position.

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Speaker 16: I think.

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Speaker 26: Also it doesn't help the economic tone. You know, economists

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Speaker 26: in New Zealand, and to be fair, across the world

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Speaker 26: have talked about some of those greenish shoots starting to

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Speaker 26: show through this year, some of those better economic numbers.

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Speaker 26: Really hard to convince people that that's actually coming through

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Speaker 26: when all they're reading about is that the markets are

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Speaker 26: losing money. If they do go and check their kei

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Speaker 26: we saver or you know, they're investing account showing a

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Speaker 26: bit of a blood bath there. I mean, none of

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Speaker 26: those numbers are easy to comprehen and I think it

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Speaker 26: does just put the jitters amongst not only the markets,

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Speaker 26: but actual real households going, well, look, I'm putting my

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Speaker 26: money into these investments.

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Speaker 2: I'm a little bit worried.

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Speaker 26: I do think it's important that people realize that there

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Speaker 26: always is quite a lot of volatility in the numbers.

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Speaker 26: That's sort of the nature of the stock market. And

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Speaker 26: unless you're really good at putting three phones to ears

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Speaker 26: and yelling into all of them like they do at

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Speaker 26: the New York Stock Exchange, you probably shouldn't be too worried.

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Speaker 26: You shouldn't be thinking about those sort of days day variations.

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Speaker 26: You should be hopefully thinking about it for the long term,

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Speaker 26: but assessing your risk, because let's be clear, this risk tone,

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01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 26: this worry, this volatility, it's not going away anytime soon.

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Speaker 2: Brad, thank you for that. Brad Olsen and the Metrics

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01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 2: principal economists on news talks thereb twenty one minutes after six,

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01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:45,639
Speaker 2: we were talking about some of the commodity prices there

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01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:47,719
Speaker 2: to do with our tradeing. Jamie McKay has an update

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Speaker 2: on that for us.

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Speaker 1: Next the Rural Report with msd Annimal Health, Home of

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01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 1: Sense of Dairy at All Flags.

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Speaker 2: News Talks theirb It is twenty four minutes after six.

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01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 2: Great to have your company. Jamie McKay is with us.

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01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 2: Jamie is hosted the Country of course here on Newstalk ZMB,

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01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:06,600
Speaker 2: and we were talking yesterday about a whole bunch of

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01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 2: stuff to do with Fonterra. So we'll get into this now.

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01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 2: Jamie's with us. Hi, Jamie.

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Speaker 27: Good evening, Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Now Fonterra is just going from strength to strength. We

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Speaker 2: had a bit on this on the show yesterday, but

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Speaker 2: you put it in perspective for us, How well are

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Speaker 2: they doing well?

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Speaker 27: They're doing very well, and I think the farmers are

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01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 27: going to do pretty well this year as well. I

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01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 27: guess it's more good news for dairy farmers. On top

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01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 27: of what you discussed yesterday about that full year earnings

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01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 27: guidance being lifted to fifty five to seventy five cents

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Speaker 27: per share. Remembering this is on top of a ten

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01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 27: dollar fore cast milk price, they're going to effectively have

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Speaker 27: a dividend by my calculation, any anyhow of anywhere between

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01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 27: thirty three and sixty cents if it gets to sixty cents,

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01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:53,799
Speaker 27: it'll be the best dividend in Fonterra's history. The previous

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01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 27: best was fifty five cents and the season just being

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01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 27: twenty three twenty four. And to put that ten dollar

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01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 27: milk price ryan into some sort of historic perspective, the

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01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 27: previous best was nine dollars thirty in the twenty one

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Speaker 27: twenty two season. But it's generally considered that the eight

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01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 27: dollars forty payout way back in twenty thirteen fourteen more

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01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 27: than a decade ago, is the best inflation adjusted milk

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01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:23,600
Speaker 27: price in Fonterra's history. And just having a look at

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01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 27: that share price earlier this afternoon, it was trading at

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Speaker 27: four dollars eighty six. The Fonterra co Op farmer share price,

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Speaker 27: this is the one that the farmers trade amongst themselves.

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01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 27: It was languishing at just over two dollars in November

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01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 27: twenty twenty three, so it's more than doubled in the

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01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 27: past year, and you would have to say Fonterra farmers

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01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 27: have got to be pretty happy with the direction Miles

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01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 27: Hurrell and Peter McBride are driving the cooperative.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and not just dairy of course beef as well.

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Speaker 2: We had a good second half last year and actually

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01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 2: a good start to twenty twenty five as well for

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Speaker 2: farmgate beef pricing.

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Speaker 27: Well, despite Donald Trump, beef prices Ryan are at a

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01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 27: record highs and they look like maintaining that tat Trump

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01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 27: and his tariff's aside, certainly through this season. And I

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01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 27: was talking to Jen Corchran out of Rabobank. They've just

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Speaker 27: released their Q one beef quarterly report. She's saying that

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Speaker 27: it's going to take three or four years to rebuild

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01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:27,680
Speaker 27: that US herd after all the issues they've had over

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01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:29,560
Speaker 27: there with drought and all that sort of stuff. So

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Speaker 27: the prospect for beef for beef farmers in this country

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Speaker 27: is pretty strong for the next three to four seasons.

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Speaker 27: Despite that global beef production is contracting a wee bit

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Speaker 27: and also here in New Zealand, we're expecting our beef

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01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 27: production to be down around five to six percent from

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01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 27: year on year quarter one twenty twenty four, and that's

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01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 27: partly because of the fallout of fewer beef carts being

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01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 27: read a couple of years ago when the prices weren't

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Speaker 27: too flash. So I can tell you there will be

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Speaker 27: lots of beefclfs red I would imagine in New Zealand

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Speaker 27: this season, because they're going to be worth gold.

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Speaker 2: And just finding you've got some receipts from the biggest

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01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 2: carbon emitters in the world. How do our cows burping rank?

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Speaker 27: Well, I think our cows burping aren't even a problem.

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Speaker 27: I mean I have said all along, or argued all along, Ryan,

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01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 27: that our farmers are carbon neutral, if not carbon positive.

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Speaker 27: We're not counting everything on farm that sequestas carbon. Yes,

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01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:33,720
Speaker 27: we count the vegetation, the trees. We're not counting the

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01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:36,679
Speaker 27: grass or the soil. We won't go down that track today.

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Speaker 27: But I came across an interesting fact that half of

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Speaker 27: the world's climate heating carbon emissions come from the fossil

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01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 27: fuels produced by just thirty six companies. Those thirty six

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Speaker 27: major fossil fuel companies were responsible for more than twenty

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Speaker 27: billion tons of CO two emissions in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 27: Now listen to this one. If Saudi Aramco was a country,

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Speaker 27: the big fossil fuel company, if it was a country,

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01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 27: it would be the fourth biggest polluter in the world

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01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:13,599
Speaker 27: after China, the US and India. While if Exxon Mobile

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01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 27: was responsible was a country, it would be responsible for

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01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 27: about the same emissions as Germany, the world's ninth biggest polluter.

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Speaker 27: So I've said all along Rhine and no one's changing

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01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 27: my mind. Methane emitting ruminants aren't the problem. It's man

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01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 27: and woman burning fossil fuels.

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Speaker 2: Jamie, thank you for that, Jamie McKay, host to the

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Speaker 2: country here on News TALKSB twenty nine minutes after six.

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Speaker 2: Coming up next elon Musk and Tesla, the whole kickback

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01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 2: against Musk and Trump now affecting cars here in New Zealand.

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01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 2: That's next bet too.

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01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 4: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:10,720
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and Mayor's Insurance and Investments,

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01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 1: Grow your wealth, Protect your future, Newstalks NB right and.

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01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 2: Bread Rich Your on News Talks MB is twenty three

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01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 2: minutes away from seven. We're going to head to Inde

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01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 2: Brady in the UK before the top of the hour.

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01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 2: Interesting report out from MB today. This is on the

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Speaker 2: Maldi economy. So the goal for the Maldi economy was

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Speaker 2: this is what the government had had set. The goal

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01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 2: was one hundred billion dollars by twenty thirty. Now this

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01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 2: new report says that it has fas surpassed that. So

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01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 2: the report that was done by MB but also by Japunicorcity,

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01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,599
Speaker 2: a bunch of other organizations, government agencies. I should say

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01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 2: it's grown from contributing seventeen billion dollars to New Zealand's

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01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 2: GDP in twenty eighteen to thirty two billion dollars in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. That's a six point five percent contribution

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01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:03,479
Speaker 2: up to an eight point nine contribution. MALDI assets grown

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Speaker 2: from sixty nine billion and twenty eighteen to one hundred

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01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 2: and twenty six billion and twenty three. That is an

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01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 2: increase of eighty three percent, So a massive increase not

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Speaker 2: only in their asset base but in their contribution to

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01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 2: the economy as well, which you've got to say has

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01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 2: got to be a good thing. Twenty two minutes away

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01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 2: from seven on Newstalksic B. Winston Peters has put out

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Speaker 2: a press release today on Ferry Holdings. This is the

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01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 2: group he's set up. The company he has set up,

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01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 2: I should say, to run the ferries, procure the fairies,

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01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:31,920
Speaker 2: all of that stuff. I'll tell you who's on the

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01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:35,800
Speaker 2: board in just a moment. Ryan Bridge right now, fifty

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01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 2: two year old man has been arrested after a spate

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01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:42,320
Speaker 2: of attacks on evs. In Auckland, Teslas and polestars have

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01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 2: been targeted with spray paint, basically making them unsafe to

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01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 2: drive because they spray the windows, and they spray the

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01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 2: mirrors and they spray the lights. Police are still considering charges,

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01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 2: but this is happening all around the world. Tesla facilities

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01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 2: have been attacked overseas protest against Elon Musk all con

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01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:01,639
Speaker 2: City Electric vehicles directed Greg Larson is with me, Greg,

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01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:02,480
Speaker 2: Good evening.

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01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 21: H Roan, how are you?

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01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:04,519
Speaker 16: Good?

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01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:06,760
Speaker 2: Thank you? So do you reckon this is? This is

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01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 2: all deliberate and all to do with Elon.

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Speaker 21: Musk, I would say so, it's quite interesting that a

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01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:19,639
Speaker 21: motor vehicleed brand has been has become a political football

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01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 21: and violence and the Gilante kind of activities are happening

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01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:26,719
Speaker 21: because of a vehicle brand.

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01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:29,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think, well, what is your assessment at

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01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 2: the moment? EV's sales have obviously been down? Is that

1652
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 2: what you're experiencing? And are people picking some over others?

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01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 19: Well?

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01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 21: Yeah, EV sales are down, and I think it's probably

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01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 21: got to a plateau where it is aligned with picture

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01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 21: entering cars and it's sitting sitting nicely as a percentage

1657
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 21: of how many cars are on the road. But now

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01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 21: when you get these kind of things that are happening

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01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 21: all around the world, it obviously brings the the EB

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01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 21: community to the forefront, that's for sure.

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01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 2: And has anyone said to you, I don't want an

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01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 2: ev tes.

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01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,600
Speaker 21: No, nothing like that yet. Look, you know, there are

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01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 21: always a few muppets that will do silly things to

1665
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 21: make a stance. But you know, I've just found out that,

1666
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 21: you know, somebody has been arrested, and it'll be very

1667
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 21: interesting to see what they do with that, you know,

1668
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 21: to the point where that person even bandled a poster

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01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 21: which is not actually a you know, it must be

1670
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 21: a good at all. So it just shows you where

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01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:27,640
Speaker 21: the mentality is.

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Speaker 2: Hey, the cheaper Chinese imports electric vehicle imports, are they

1673
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 2: any good?

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01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:38,759
Speaker 21: Look, I'm really impressed, you know, to tell the truth,

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01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 21: if we were talking about something like this five or

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01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 21: six years ago, pro we had a different conversation. But

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01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 21: now the products and what the Chinese are putting onto

1678
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 21: the market is extremely good. They just don't have brand recognition.

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01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 21: So you know, Tesla has a great brand. It's you know,

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01:27:55,560 --> 01:28:00,679
Speaker 21: it's the apple of the carf of phones and so so. Yeah,

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01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 21: once his brains get some recognition and people start driving them,

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01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:04,519
Speaker 21: they'll be quite impressed.

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01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 2: Okay, Greg, thank you for that. Greg Lars and Auckland

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01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 2: City Electric Vehicles, director of this fifty two year old

1685
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 2: man apparently has been arrested. You'll be pleased to know

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01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:14,640
Speaker 2: if you've got an EV and you're parking on the

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01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 2: street tonight in Auckland, nineteen away from seven Ryan Bridge.

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01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:22,600
Speaker 2: So Winston Peters has appointed two more board members, this

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01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 2: to the company Ferry Holdings Board Limited, Catherine Rich and

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01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:31,440
Speaker 2: Captain Ian McLeod. He says they bring pragmatic and practical experience.

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01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 2: You'll know this already, but Chris McKenzie, deputy chair here

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01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:37,439
Speaker 2: the Simpson as in Helen Clark said the Simpson. She's

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01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:40,640
Speaker 2: on the board too, along with Director Greg Lowe. He

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01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 2: said the board is already hard at work with shipyard

1695
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 2: engagements continuing, alternative proposals being assessed because of course they've

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01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 2: got until the end of the month to come up

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01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:54,520
Speaker 2: with a proposal for procurement of some new ships, otherwise

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01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 2: Nikola Willis Plan B gets initiated. He says, Missus rich

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01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 2: and Captain McLeod bring pragmatic skills and insight to the

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01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 2: board table, with Missus Richard's knowledge of customer's need from

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01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:06,680
Speaker 2: the New Zealand supply chain as an industry body chief

1702
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:12,440
Speaker 2: executive and Captain McLeod's experiences as a maritime expert and shipmaster.

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01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 2: So there you go. That's Winston Peter's before he heads

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01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:18,599
Speaker 2: off to Washington, eighteen minutes away from seven, now swearing

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01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 2: I want to get to this before seven o'clock. We've

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01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:23,799
Speaker 2: also got end of Brady to get to, so perhaps

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01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:26,680
Speaker 2: I'll save this till just before seven. But apparently it

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01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 2: does a lot for your pain. When you stub your toe,

1709
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 2: you hurt yourself and you swear it is good for you,

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01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 2: So don't feel bad when you do it. But I'll

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01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 2: tell you more about what that research says before seven.

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01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:40,799
Speaker 4: Croating the numbers and getting the results.

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01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge with the Business Hour and mass insurance

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01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 1: and investments.

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01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 4: Grew your wealth, protect your future The News Talks.

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01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 2: NB quarter to seven on News talksb ind Of Brady's

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01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 2: a UK correspondent. End A good evening to you.

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Speaker 19: Hey, Ryan, great speak to him?

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Speaker 2: What's happening with these two ships that collided this the

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Speaker 2: coast of Yorkshire and carrying some pretty highly toxic stuff.

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Speaker 2: What's happening with them?

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Speaker 19: So investigation underway. We don't know what happened or who's

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Speaker 19: to blame, basically, but what we do know is what

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Speaker 19: they were carrying. So the American oil tanker, it turns out,

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Speaker 19: was carrying jet fuel kerosene two hundred and twenty thousand barrels,

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Speaker 19: all of which will now be leaking into the North

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Speaker 19: Sea off the Yorkshire coast. And this container ship, which

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Speaker 19: was traveling under the Portuguese flag, we're told that was

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Speaker 19: carrying sodium cyanide. So all of this toxic chemicals and

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Speaker 19: aviation fuel leaking into the North Sea. This is a

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Speaker 19: hugely important fishing area and it's also the season now

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Speaker 19: coming up where wildlife and birds mate, and that Yorkshire

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Speaker 19: coast area could be devastated. We're told forty two percent

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Speaker 19: of all fish consumed in the UK are brought ashore

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Speaker 19: along that stretch, and that's what happened ten miles off

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Speaker 19: the coast yesterday.

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Speaker 2: That's not great. Now there's some in pay. We're spoken

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Speaker 2: about him before convicted for punching one of his constituents.

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Speaker 2: He's now quit. This is a problem for Starmer.

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Speaker 19: So there's going to be a by election and this

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Speaker 19: will be the first by election since Starmer's victory in

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Speaker 19: July of last year. Domestically he's had a rocky ride.

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Speaker 19: He's made some tough decisions the budget, for example, a

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Speaker 19: lot of people feel that's kind of punishing business. And

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Speaker 19: now the people of Runcorn up in Cheshire in the

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Speaker 19: northwest will get the chance to replace Mike Amesbury. So

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Speaker 19: he was the guy who was filmed on CCTV punching

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Speaker 19: a constituent in the head in the early hours of

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Speaker 19: the morning last year. He's had discussion having had a

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Speaker 19: night out and a man approached him to talk about

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Speaker 19: roadworks in the area and it ended with a conviction

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Speaker 19: for assault. So Ainsbury has now sut down. There will

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Speaker 19: be a by election and I think the problem for

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Speaker 19: Starmar is, you know, traditionally governments get a bloody nose

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Speaker 19: in by elections and Nigel Fraj's Reform Party, if we

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Speaker 19: believe the polls are very very popular right now twenty

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Speaker 19: one percent nationwide so Faras will be zoning in on

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Speaker 19: Runcorn his party came second there last year at the

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Speaker 19: actual election. That this is the first kind of domestic

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Speaker 19: bloody nose for Starmar.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now, mobile phone has been stolen in London last year?

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Speaker 2: How many.

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Speaker 19: Seventy thousand, one hundred plus that was? That was the

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Speaker 19: number last year. All adds up to somewhere in the

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Speaker 19: region of about one hundred and forty million dollars of

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Speaker 19: a criminal enterprise with people's hands. As you're walking along

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Speaker 19: the street, guys operating in pairs on e bikes and

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Speaker 19: e scooters and they just zip along, and people are

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Speaker 19: coming out of their offices for their lunch break, tourists

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Speaker 19: are going on Google Maps trying to find where they're going,

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Speaker 19: and you've got two and a half thousand dollars of

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Speaker 19: an electrical item in your hand, and people are thinking

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Speaker 19: that you know they're safe. And these gangs are absolutely ruthless.

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Speaker 19: The phones are gone within seconds and within days they're

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Speaker 19: on their way to nig Area or China where they

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Speaker 19: are wiped and resold or stripped down for parts. It's

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Speaker 19: shocking and I would say the number from personal experience,

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Speaker 19: I've never had my phone stoll. A lot of the

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Speaker 19: people I work with have and they didn't report it

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Speaker 19: to the police because they just thought, what's the point,

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01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 19: They'll never catch them. And I mean in terms of policing,

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Speaker 19: we've seen an operation last month two hundred and thirty

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Speaker 19: people arrested in one week. Some police are cracking down

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01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:29,599
Speaker 19: Starmer's bringing in a law now where they don't need

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Speaker 19: a search warrant to go into a house where people

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Speaker 19: believe them. All the phone is because a lot of

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Speaker 19: people are using find my phone and they're going to

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01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 19: the police and saying, look, it's at number one Smith Street,

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01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 19: I can see it, and they're being told, well, we

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01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:44,680
Speaker 19: don't have a warrant to set that address. So a

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Speaker 19: lot of the policing needs to tighten up really big time.

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Speaker 2: Goodness me. Hey, the NHS, I was reading today about

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01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:53,760
Speaker 2: some pretty seem like pretty significant NHS cutstead coming. This

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01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 2: is from a labor Health sacretary. So n Chas England

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01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:01,479
Speaker 2: will lose half its staff. This is from thirteen thousand

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01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:04,080
Speaker 2: down to six and a half thousand. Tired team's been

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01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:07,679
Speaker 2: exed saving money, avoiding duplication. I'm assuming this is beck

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01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:12,479
Speaker 2: office stuff. This is policy stuff, not frontline middle management.

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Speaker 19: It's absolutely not nurses and doctors and pediatricians and cancer specialists.

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Speaker 19: This is middle management. And I think what we're seeing

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01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 19: is the labor government getting their feet under the table

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01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,479
Speaker 19: looking at the books and they're realizing where all the

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01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 19: money goes. And Streeting has no choice. I mean, the

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01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:32,800
Speaker 19: NHS is on its knees. I heard someone tell me

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01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:36,559
Speaker 19: a story the other day how they'd in Germany they'd

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01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 19: gone to A and E and they'd waited four hours

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Speaker 19: to be seen, and I was like, I was actually

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01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,840
Speaker 19: in Berlin for the election coverage, and I was like, well,

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01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:47,720
Speaker 19: four hours is pretty good going in England, but in

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Speaker 19: Germany they were absolutely horrified. They were telling all their

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Speaker 19: friends that they'd been to the A and E room

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01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:56,320
Speaker 19: and it took four hours to see a doctor. Streeting realizes,

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01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:58,960
Speaker 19: I think he's got long term ambitions to be prime minister.

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Speaker 19: By the way, this guy very very ambitious. He realizes

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01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:05,840
Speaker 19: that the NHS is broken and they're looking at where

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01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:08,280
Speaker 19: the money is going, and it's going on policymakers and

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01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 19: middle management.

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Speaker 2: Sounds a bit like someone down here called who's our

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01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:18,720
Speaker 2: health minister? Whose name has just escaped me Simon brown Round.

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Speaker 2: It sounds a very similar situation to your Wes streeting

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Speaker 2: and to thank you for that. End of Brady Are

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Speaker 2: News Talks ZBB seven minutes away from seven. This research art, well,

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Speaker 2: it's actually old research, but it's sort of rehashing this

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01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:45,439
Speaker 2: idea that swearing, so when you get hurt, when you

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Speaker 2: get injured physically, I mean, swearing is kind of good

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01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:52,080
Speaker 2: for you. It increases your pain tolerance. A couple of researchers,

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Speaker 2: a couple of academics looked at this a few years

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Speaker 2: back and they found that the use of the F word,

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01:35:58,360 --> 01:36:00,320
Speaker 2: so when you get hurt, if you say the F word,

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01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:04,600
Speaker 2: they compared that to more neutral words that they made up,

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01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:09,559
Speaker 2: like fouch and twizz. Pipe was another one because it's

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Speaker 2: lame words. I know, it's a bit like lame o

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Speaker 2: from lux and today. Anyway, they found that swearing was

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Speaker 2: linked with increased pain tolerance. And I think this is

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Speaker 2: true if you're hurt, if you get a stub toe,

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Speaker 2: for example, swearing just feels good. And it also I

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Speaker 2: think indicates to people around you just how much pain

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Speaker 2: you're in. You know, like if you say, jeep as

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01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:35,200
Speaker 2: I stub my toe, no one's going to care. But

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Speaker 2: if you say if, if you know, see something, then

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01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:41,320
Speaker 2: people are going to pay attention and they're going to

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Speaker 2: understand you. And that's really all you want when you're

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01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:46,360
Speaker 2: in pain. It's to be understood, you know, for others

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01:36:46,439 --> 01:36:49,400
Speaker 2: to know how much pain you're in. Really what you

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01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:51,040
Speaker 2: want is for mom to come and give you a

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Speaker 2: kiss and make it all better. And swearing will get

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Speaker 2: her attention too. Surely, what have we going out to tonight?

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Speaker 2: As right?

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Speaker 7: So are the King right?

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Speaker 2: For Commonwealth Day?

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Speaker 7: He's done a radio show on Apple Music called The

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Speaker 7: King's Music Room, and he's picked some of his favorite

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01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:10,400
Speaker 7: songs from all around the Commonwealth, and like he played

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01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 7: each one and then talked a little bit about why

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01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:14,000
Speaker 7: he picked it. New Zealand did get in there, Dame

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Speaker 7: Kenny Cannell got a song in there, so I really

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Speaker 7: should be playing that that. I just I'm obsessed with

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Speaker 7: this choice he's made here Hot Hot Hot by Arrow.

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Speaker 7: Arrow being a musician from the Caribbean island of Montserrat,

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Speaker 7: which is in the Commonwealth is I found out today

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Speaker 7: when I read the story. He released the song. Yeah,

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01:37:30,200 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 7: he released the song Hot, Hot Hot in the eighties.

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Speaker 7: I didn't know it was by him, but you hear

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Speaker 7: it at football games all the time. And the King

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Speaker 7: decided he wanted this one in here because the last

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Speaker 7: time he even sided Monserrat it was very hot, so

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01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:43,639
Speaker 7: hot from Monserrat.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if he dances around the pells to this.

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Speaker 7: Oh, probably reckon forming like a conga line with all

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01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:50,920
Speaker 7: the you know, with the Queen and you know, with

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Speaker 7: Fergie and everybody else in all the service.

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Speaker 16: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Probably all right, we'll leave you with this. Thank you, Vance,

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening everyone, Thanks for all your feedback. See tomorrow.

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