1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Jason Walls out political editors with us Hi Jason Good evening. 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 2: What's Jenny done? 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 3: Jenny, Jenny, Jinny our poor Jenny Anderson. That's from the 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 3: Labor Party, that is, if you're not familiar with the name. 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 3: I think she needs a little bit of a history lesson, 6 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 3: I'm afraid. And we're not talking each history. We're talking 7 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 3: quite recent New Zealand political history, which you would have 8 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 3: thought she would have been pretty well clued up on. 9 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 3: She was on old mate Nick Mills's show, Wellington Mornings 10 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 3: this morning talking about the government's coalition arrangement. 11 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 4: Have a listen. 12 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 5: And he's only been one instance, which is the current 13 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 5: government where you've had ministers in the cabinet room. So 14 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 5: the bigger party tabically always takes up those cabinet roles 15 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 5: in the n net's part of negotiation. 16 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 4: Gang on a second, what was that first fight? 17 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 5: And he's only been one instance, which is the current 18 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 5: government where you've had ministers in the cabinet room. 19 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 3: Well, what about one Winston Raymond Peters in twenty seventeen 20 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 3: to twenty twenty, Shane Jones, Tracy Martin. 21 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 4: I could rattle off a few of the other New 22 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 4: Zealand first. Let me just get this. 23 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: That was she saying that New Zealand First has never 24 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: been in the cabinet room before. 25 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 5: I'm gonna play this for you again, and there's only 26 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 5: been one instance, which is the current government, where you've 27 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 5: had ministers in the cabinet room. 28 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 3: So like a good well, like a good broadcaster, our 29 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 3: friend Nick Mills pushed back, and this is what she said. 30 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 5: But they went in, they were in the cabinet room. 31 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 3: So that was when he was talking about these New 32 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 3: Zealand First MPs. So the Deputy just for the record, 33 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 3: the Deputy Prime Minister was very much in the cabinet room. 34 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 3: In fact, when Ja Cinda Ardun was away on maternity leave, 35 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 3: Winston Peters was the chair of the cabinet. 36 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 5: She went on, they would come to cabinet when they 37 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 5: have a paper, but currently correctly went wrong. But my 38 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 5: understanding is this is the first government where we've had 39 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 5: multiple parties inside that cabinet room meeting for cabinet regularly. 40 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 4: Now she is right on that latter part. 41 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 3: This is the first three way coalition where all three 42 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 3: parties are actually technically always sitting around the cabinet table. 43 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 3: Under labor in twenty seventeen. The Greens were com It's 44 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 3: and supply, so although some of them were ministers, they 45 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 3: were they would come in and they were ministers, they 46 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 3: were not part of the cabinet per se, So good 47 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 3: bake neck. 48 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 5: He follows up again, tell me if I'm wrong, and 49 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 5: you know this is your party I'm talking about. 50 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: But Winston Peters was deputy. 51 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 5: Prime minister, so you had a deputy prime minister that 52 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 5: wasn't in the cabinet. 53 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 4: Moon, is that what you're telling me. 54 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 5: I still don't look. I wasn't in kidneting, to be honest, 55 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 5: so I don't remember. I was not a kidneting. 56 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 4: I mean, it's a. 57 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 3: Hard lessen, it's a high lesson. We all do make mistakes. 58 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 3: It happens from time to time. But you know, when 59 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 3: you're on radio talking about something like this, and the 60 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 3: point was, you know, she's sure that the prime minister 61 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 3: needs to be more careful with the likes David Seymour 62 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 3: and Winston Peters. 63 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 4: This is the sort of things you should get right. 64 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 3: And for the record, yes, Winston Peters did sit in cabinet. 65 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 3: It's not the first time that he's done it. And 66 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 3: you know, might not even be the last day. 67 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: How long has Ginny Anderson been in. 68 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 4: Parliament since twenty seventeen? 69 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 2: Wasn't she there? 70 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 4: Like? 71 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: Correct me if I'm wrong, But wasn't she there when 72 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 2: Jacinda was sitting next to Winston in the cabinet room? 73 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 4: Correct? Yes, she wasn't a minister? 74 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: I see the photo of Winston sitting in the cabinet room. 75 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 4: Apparently not apparently not what. 76 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 3: I like. 77 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 4: I like Ginny. 78 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 3: I think she did, and I think she actually has 79 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 3: had some, you know, some good moments in the house. 80 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 3: But it was just a bit of a lapse from 81 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 3: old mate. 82 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 2: Oh wowie, hey, what's going on with lux And it's not. 83 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: True that he really dry cleans his suit every time 84 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: he wears it. 85 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 3: Is it's it's it's unfortunately not. It was a it 86 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 3: was a funny little anecdote that came from his his 87 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,119 Speaker 3: ketchup with Ryan Bridge on Herold Now this morning, which, 88 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 3: by the way, is it's actually going quite well. Congratulations Ryan, 89 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 3: if you're listening, if you're not already asleep. So well, 90 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 3: we'll file this under the sort of the the unrelatable 91 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 3: Prime Minister Moments, because you know, since apparently it's in 92 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 3: vogue to ask MP's where they get their clothes from 93 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 3: and who they're wearing these days. Ryan asked about this 94 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 3: and the Prime Minister said, you know, he gets his 95 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 3: clothes from Working Style is a good Kiwi company. Then 96 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 3: Ryan asked, do you will be the same suit twice 97 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 3: buy or two of the suits at times? 98 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 4: Which is I mean, wouldn't it be nice? 99 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 3: These suits go for anywhere between fifteen hundred and two 100 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 3: thousand apiece. And then we get onto the conversation around 101 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 3: the maintenance of said suits. 102 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 4: Well, you always wash it before you wear it. What 103 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 4: do you mean wash? I don't put it miss the 104 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 4: dry cleaners. Yeah, it goes as regular service to the 105 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 4: dry cleaning service. 106 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 3: Yep. So there was some conversation as to it was 107 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 3: a bit unclear if he meant after every single time 108 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 3: you wore it he went to get it dry cleaned. 109 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: I have confirmed with senior beehive sources that this isn't 110 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 3: in fact not the case, but he does. He cleans 111 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 3: them regularly and patient. In anticipation of your next question, no, 112 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 3: we as taxpayers do not pay for the cleaning. 113 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 4: He does that himself. Hold on, though, don't. 114 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 2: You get subsidized cleaning. If you work in the beehive, 115 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 2: do you you? 116 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 4: I mean probably there's probably. 117 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: Because when I was in when I worked in the 118 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: pres Gallery, there was a dry cleaners just down there 119 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: where the where the gymmers. Don't they still have the 120 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: dry They came and collected the and they took it, 121 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: took it away and then they brought it back for 122 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: the ministers. Do they not still do that? 123 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 4: But they still do that. 124 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's subsidized though, because when I 125 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 3: get my suits dry cleaned, it's about forty five dollars upon. 126 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: Now you know what you're doing with the rest of 127 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,799 Speaker 2: your afternoon. Can you make some phone calls? 128 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, okay, I'll hit the blow. 129 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 2: You'll hit the phone, not the blow, thank you, thank you. 130 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: It is the blower is also the phoney. 131 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 4: Okay. 132 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 3: Jas is on my Koreer flashing before my eyes. 133 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: Now you're doing a Jenny Jason Walls, Political editor. 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