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Speaker 1: Devin Gray UK correspondence with US Hello, Gevin Hi. So,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump has said he has an obligation to sue

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Speaker 1: the bebe Yes.

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Speaker 2: First time he's spoken since the whole row erupted about

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Speaker 2: his thoughts and the BBC documentary in which a speech

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Speaker 2: was edited together in such a way as to make

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Speaker 2: it look like he was trying to incite his supporters

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Speaker 2: into violence at the Capitol. Hell rites back in January

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, two bits of the speech, almost an

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Speaker 2: hour apart, edited together. He's now spoken on Fox News

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Speaker 2: and said that it had presented defrauded views of what

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Speaker 2: he said. His speech had been butchered, he said, and

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Speaker 2: effectively said he now has this obligation to sue, and

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Speaker 2: that deadline for the suing of one billion pounds two

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Speaker 2: point three billion New Zealand dollars comes with a deadline,

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Speaker 2: and it's ten o'clock Friday evening hour time, so it'll

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Speaker 2: be sad today mid morning your time for the corporation

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Speaker 2: to respond. And if the BBC doesn't respond, he says

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Speaker 2: he will start that litigation. Lots of people though looking

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Speaker 2: at that threat of litigation and said, well, hang on.

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Speaker 2: One of the main plints in a court of lawes

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Speaker 2: was it readily available to view in America? And the

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Speaker 2: answer to that would appear to be no, But of

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Speaker 2: course that'll all be decided potentially in a court of law.

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Speaker 2: And also, you know, has it actually added any additional

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Speaker 2: damage to his reputation about that speech? And again the

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Speaker 2: BBC could be arguing no. That said, my sources are

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Speaker 2: saying they are inclined to offer some kind of amount

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Speaker 2: of money for damage to his reputation. But time will tell,

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Speaker 2: and the clock is taking wow.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I thought the response that he was looking

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Speaker 1: for was just maybe an apology, like a public humiliation.

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Speaker 1: But he's he that will not suffice.

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Speaker 2: He's asked for a retraction, an apology, and some money

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Speaker 2: to compensate him for the damage to his reputation. He

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Speaker 2: hasn't said how much that is, but the idea of

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Speaker 2: then that threat for a billion pounds is obviously giving

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Speaker 2: an indication of how much it thinks it's really damaged

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Speaker 2: that report.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like he's going to lodge the lawsuit If

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Speaker 1: he does in Florida, where the BBC is available, does

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Speaker 1: he have to prove not only that the BBC is

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Speaker 1: available but that the show itself was like widely viewed.

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Speaker 2: I think there is basically an idea that if it's

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Speaker 2: readily available and as you said, the BBC are there.

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Speaker 2: But it's interesting that he's lodged it with a very

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Speaker 2: small local firm of solicitors in Florida, as you said,

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Speaker 2: where the BBC is available. But it's this idea that

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Speaker 2: it was something that was massively seen in order to

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Speaker 2: have affected his reputation. And obviously I suppose one of

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Speaker 2: the arguments will be well, any viewing would be a damage,

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Speaker 2: But the idea that it was widely seen in America,

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Speaker 2: I think it would be debated by the BBC.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough. Now what's the latest with Andrew? All

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Speaker 1: the businesses have been wound up?

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Speaker 2: Yes they are. And this I think is really another

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Speaker 2: nail in the coffin of his career, as it were,

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Speaker 2: and Andrew mount Baton Windsor. Incidentally, it's now hyphenated the

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Speaker 2: Mount Batan Windsor thing. Andrew mount Baten Windsor is closing

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Speaker 2: down the pitch at Palace Global Limited. Now those who

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Speaker 2: have followed these things would know that he had sort

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Speaker 2: of it was a startup competition where entrepreneurs could present

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Speaker 2: their ideas straight to potential investors, and this was one

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Speaker 2: seen as a possible stream of income for the former

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Speaker 2: Prince when the King stopped find supporting him financially. However,

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Speaker 2: when he gave that disastrous interview to the BBC about

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Speaker 2: his friendship with the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, it

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Speaker 2: was put on ice, and now we know that he's

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Speaker 2: actually physically closing it. The UK side of the business

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Speaker 2: was wound up in twenty twenty one. The international part, though,

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Speaker 2: has remained open, and a Dutch company start up boot Camp,

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Speaker 2: had said it was actually interested in buying the business,

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Speaker 2: saying it was an immense value, but that however, unraveled

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Speaker 2: earlier this year. There is only about twenty one thousand

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Speaker 2: New Zealand dollars left at the end of March from

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Speaker 2: the account, significantly down on the previous year about half

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Speaker 2: a million New Zealand dollars, and so the winding up

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Speaker 2: looks like a more formal step than anything else, but

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Speaker 2: it is another huge dent to Prince Andrew or Andrew's reputation,

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Speaker 2: because this was something he really really cared about.

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Speaker 1: Now, is Kistama really in trouble.

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Speaker 2: Do you think yes, I think he is. The very

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Speaker 2: fact now that this is making national news. So in

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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks time, we get the budget, which

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Speaker 2: is an outline of the fiscal and financial path that

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Speaker 2: this government is intending to take. And even though it's

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Speaker 2: a fortnight away and even though we don't actually know

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Speaker 2: what's in it, there's been massive speculation the government is

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Speaker 2: going to have to basically renege on a promise it

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Speaker 2: made at the election, and that promise was it would

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Speaker 2: not put up tax is for what it described as

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Speaker 2: working people. So it got around it first time around

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Speaker 2: by putting extra taxes on employers. Those employers say, right, well,

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Speaker 2: we're not now going to take on any new staff

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Speaker 2: and it's costing us a lot to keep these stuff,

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Speaker 2: and so they're laying people off and the unemployment figures

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Speaker 2: going up. This government now looks like it's in a

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Speaker 2: bigger financial hole and therefore will have to put up taxes.

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Speaker 2: And there are now there's talk, admittedly not on camera,

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Speaker 2: not to in quote marks, but talk from lots of

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Speaker 2: different politicians about the fact his days are numbered. His

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Speaker 2: supporters are saying he will fight this to the end.

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Speaker 1: Jay's interesting. Can't wait to see this play out. Hey,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much. Gavin Devin Gray are UK correspondents.

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