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Speaker 1: If One Circus back in business after a week off.

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Speaker 1: Liam Lawson's been the talk of the paddick.

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Speaker 2: Of course.

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Speaker 1: He lines up in Japan this weekend with his old

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Speaker 1: Racing Bulls team now Peter Windsor been around if One

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Speaker 1: for years, worked with Ferrari, was team manager for Williams's.

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Speaker 1: Where there's Peter morning, Good morning to you, Good evening

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Speaker 1: from Spain. What's your verdict on Lawson? Hard done by

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Speaker 1: or is he being looked after by his team?

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Speaker 2: I think he's been pretty well looked after, to be honest,

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Speaker 2: because we've seen drivers in this situation in the past

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Speaker 2: struggling a bit, things haven't worked out and they just

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Speaker 2: got completely dismissed from the team. They don't drive again.

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Speaker 2: They've never seen again in Formula One. I mean. The

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Speaker 2: good thing about Red Bull it is quite a big

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Speaker 2: family and they've got these two teams and here he is,

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Speaker 2: you know, rebooting back at Racing Bulls, which is not

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Speaker 2: a bad thing anyway, because they've probably got a better

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Speaker 2: car at the moment than the A team anyway.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly what's your view of him as a driver

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Speaker 1: outside looking in where of course all obsessed in the

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Speaker 1: side of the world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure you are. The New Zealand has got

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Speaker 2: a great Formula One heritage. I got to say, I

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Speaker 2: mean a massive fan of everything that you know New

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Speaker 2: Zealand had done in Formula One over the years, from

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Speaker 2: Bruce McLaren to Chris aim and anyway. To get to

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Speaker 2: the point, he first got my attention when he was

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Speaker 2: in Formula three and I remember watching him in the

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Speaker 2: semi wet in a race in Hungary I think it was,

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Speaker 2: and his car control was just sublime, beautiful to watch.

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Speaker 2: I remember thinking then, Wow, this guy's good, and that

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Speaker 2: sort of followed him and I did an interview with

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Speaker 2: him on my YouTube channel You're not long afterwards, and

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Speaker 2: I was always a fan and still am a fan.

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Speaker 2: Really a great car control, very spectacular driver. I think

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Speaker 2: the problem today is that Formula One and motors Board

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Speaker 2: in general, Formula one in particular is very very data driven,

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Speaker 2: very very digital, and it's lost its ability to allow

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Speaker 2: a driver just to go out and drive on gut feel.

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Speaker 2: Everything is done according to data and telemetry overlays from

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Speaker 2: the other driver in the other car, and I think

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Speaker 2: it sort of sucks the wind out of you as

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Speaker 2: a driver, and we saw that with Daniel Riccardo. I

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Speaker 2: think when he went to Reno and McLaren he wasn't

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Speaker 2: the same drive that he'd been at Red Bull, and

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Speaker 2: I think it's that with Liam. I think he's not

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Speaker 2: just he's not just going out and driving the car

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Speaker 2: as Liam Mawson wants to drive it. He's looking at

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Speaker 2: what Max for Stappen's doing on the data. He's looking

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Speaker 2: at this, he's looking at that, and I think that's

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Speaker 2: a great shame. But there are so many people in

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Speaker 2: formal A one with the jobs with important titles, most

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Speaker 2: of them managers of something. They've all got to justify

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Speaker 2: their existence, and it's all too complicated. There's too much information.

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Speaker 2: And you know, Liam's a very natural racing driver and

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Speaker 2: this needs to be allowed to get out there and race.

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed your insight, Peter. Listen, let's get you back

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Speaker 1: on again soon. Peter Windsor, former IF one team manager,

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Speaker 1: because for no other reason, what Williams are doing at

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Speaker 1: James VAL's at the moment is fantastic. So Peter Windsor

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Speaker 1: once worked for Williams. Good insight to the Japanese IF

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Speaker 1: P one and P two, by the way, practice one

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Speaker 1: and practice two from Japan this afternoon.

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