1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: And cleary, reveling in the sort of success very few 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: people ever experienced. Former Warrior, former coach of the Warriors, 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: of course, now coach of the Penrith Panthers, is the 4 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: most successful sports coach in Australia. Four Grand Final appearances, 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: four wins for in a row. His new book is 6 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: about leadership and achieving success. Not everything counts, but everything matters. 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: I've been cleary as we us. Morning. 8 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 2: Thank you, Mike. Very nice to be here so on. 9 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: This, you know, early December morning. Where are you guys 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: at with your off season? 11 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're back at work preparing for the twenty 12 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 2: twenty five season. A lot of our players that were 13 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 2: in the Grand Final squad haven't come back to work here. 14 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: It's mainly just the younger guys, but they all start 15 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: sort of feeding in over the next few weeks and 16 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: just after Christmas, our whole squad will be back together. 17 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: And after you know the success you've had, after you 18 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: know these four successful, extraordinary seasons, how do you plan 19 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: season number five? Is it the same as four, three, 20 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: two and one? 21 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: It's not exactly the same, but there's a I guess 22 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 2: a core way of doing things or a template I 23 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 2: suppose you could say of what we've found to be successful, 24 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 2: that we try to steactive, that we're trying to evolve 25 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 2: all the time as well. Each year is yea, you know, 26 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 2: the squads slightly different circumstances, a little different. But I 27 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 2: guess that's the hardest thing is trying to find the 28 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: balance between evolving and also staying truly. You know, you know, 29 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: what do you believe in and what it's. 30 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: Worked is for and winning leading to winning old saying, 31 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: but do you believe that? 32 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah. I mean, I guess there's the danger of 33 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 2: living in the past that you know, because you don't 34 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: want to do that. You can certainly learn from it, 35 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: and I think the belief that you get from it 36 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: is probably the most important thing because that can't be faked. 37 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: You know, the other think you can do it or 38 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: you can't in many respects. So it's a been like 39 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: compound interest in many ways. You know, the system that 40 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 2: we have all the more you do it, the more 41 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: the players feel, the better a customer they are to it. 42 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: So I think, so, yeah, are you enjoying it the 43 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: way you thought you would? 44 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: Yes, I absolutely love it. I mean, to those who 45 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: don't know I was a head coach for fourteen seasons 46 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: until and also played for eleven, so that's twenty five 47 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 2: years of being in the NRL before I experienced winning 48 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: a premiership. So there's a long time coming and I'm 49 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 2: enjoying every minute of it. 50 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: And what do you reckon the magic is? I mean, 51 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: have you actually got a recipe for it or not? 52 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: There's no magic. But I think alignment is a key word. 53 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 2: So that usually comes from you know, everyone being on 54 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: the same page. You've heard it before, rowing in the 55 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: same direction. So the culture of the organ organization I 56 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: think is really important and that everyone I understand it 57 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 2: and be find it's fairly easy to you know, I 58 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 2: guess to live up to. So that's probably been the 59 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 2: main thing, just this alignment. Everyone's moving in the same direction. 60 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: And what are the learnings? I mean, I refer to 61 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: your time maybe at the at the Warriors. I mean, 62 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: are you as good a coach now a better coach 63 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: now you experience the good days and the bad days? 64 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: I mean, how does it all work out? And what 65 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: role does luck play in that? 66 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 2: Well, it's definitely got a players part for sure, but yeah, 67 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: you also got to make your own life. Of course, 68 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: there's a lot of things that go into it. You know, 69 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: sometimes it's just the right group with the right the 70 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 2: right coach, just the right fit. There's so many things 71 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 2: to go in. But it definitely like plays as part, 72 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 2: I believe, But you know, I also think you've got 73 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: to put position yourself, sorry, to be in the right 74 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 2: position to actually perceive the luck when it gets handed out. 75 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: And do you look back on your time at the 76 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: Warriors in terms of, you know, what could have been 77 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: a review moved on and that was so long ago 78 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. 79 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: And I always remember my memories of my time at 80 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: the Warriors of they gave me my initial shot at 81 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 2: Bernie head Case when I was pretty young and I 82 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: took a chance on then. I'll forever be am better 83 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: to them for that. I think I am a better 84 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: case than I was back then. You mentioned the word 85 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 2: experience just you know, as I'd saying, as you can't 86 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: buy it. I really enjoyed it. I learned a lot, 87 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: you know. I certainly did some things then that I 88 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: know would do differently now. But it's sort of helped 89 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 2: me on my journey. I just think there's still so 90 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 2: much potential in that club and looking forward to, yeah, 91 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 2: seeing them prosper, which I'm you know, I'm really confident 92 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 2: that they will. 93 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: So I'm glad to hear that, because I mean, I've 94 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: been following them now for twenty six, twenty seven years, 95 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: whatever it is, I'm actually still waiting for them to prosper. 96 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we had a good couple of years, 97 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: but on paper, here's the thing. On paper, and last 98 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: year is probably as good as an example as any 99 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: On paper. They look like they can do well. They 100 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 1: seem to have a great coach, and yet it doesn't happen. 101 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 2: Why But yeah, I can't give you an exact answer. 102 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 2: Certainly agree with you. I'm the coach. I think Andrews 103 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 2: that fortunate enough to work within for a few years, 104 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 2: and tremendous person and a great coach. The squad is healthy. 105 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: I think the year before was probably setting them up 106 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: a little, probably before they may have been ready. Such 107 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 2: a great season in twenty three well, probably went as 108 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: far off as everyone may think. Last year I don't think. 109 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 2: And there's not much in it in the NL I honestly, 110 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: it's such a tight tire competition, the rigors of travel, 111 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 2: although it's never going to go away is far and 112 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: above what anyone else has to do in the NRL, 113 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: so that's always going to be potentially an issue. But yeah, 114 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: I think I'll be surprised if they don't have a 115 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: much better season this year. 116 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: Well, I hope you're right. Listen, what about recruiting and 117 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: how you handle this? Talk about that for a moment. 118 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: So again reference to the Warrior has got a feeder system. 119 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: So is that the way to work? You know, you 120 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: get your young kids, bring them through that system or 121 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: do you just go out with the checkbook and you know, 122 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: buy your talent. 123 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: Well, it depends on what your mandate is at the club. 124 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: You're that. 125 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 2: We're quite similar here at the Panthers to to the Warriors, 126 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 2: where we are development clubs. So it's much it's much 127 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 2: easier for us to develop our own here as opposed 128 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 2: to going and you know, buying everyone from elsewhere, which 129 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: other clubs like the Roosters, because they just don't have 130 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: the the nursery and they just don't have the you know, 131 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 2: the numbers. I guess that's what they have to do. 132 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 2: So we we look to develop our own. So a 133 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: year on year, we're just trying to improve our pathway 134 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: system as best we can, so we get players you 135 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 2: know that are already and are already when they come 136 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 2: into our system as we can. So that's that's that's 137 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 2: something that's worked quite well for us Worrias and they 138 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 2: are doing something similar and it's the club's always are 139 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 2: successful like here when we're getting that right. 140 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: And what's your experience towards dealing with young people, you know, 141 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: guys that look at like a team like the Panthers 142 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: and think well, I can be famous, I can be 143 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: the best in the business, bringing them through in a 144 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: way that they're you know, decent human beings, great athletes. 145 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: They want to perform well for a site as opposed 146 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: to losing their head and exploding. 147 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it gets a little bit like parenting. I think 148 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: it is in many ways. Actually, you know, there's a 149 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: lot of hard work to be done in any kind 150 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: of life. You know, we all know this. To want 151 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: to get to where you want to get to it 152 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: be successful because just you know, it's important to have goals, 153 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: but it's just really a daily exercises. But every little 154 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:50,239 Speaker 2: thing you do matters, you know, on and off the field. 155 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: So you know, we try to definitely chieve them grounded, 156 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: but just got through a lot of detail, whether it's 157 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: on and off the field, and just be super consistent 158 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 2: with it. And then before we know it, some of 159 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 2: those goals that you've written down are starting to get 160 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 2: kicked off. 161 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: And what about you know, the level of performance you 162 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: guys operate at nowadays, and whether that affects the game, 163 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: whether it lifts the game generally, because one of the 164 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: problems around the league, of course, is every now and again, 165 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: on a mad Monday, a team or a series of 166 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: players go crazy, and that hurts the reputation of the 167 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: whole sport. 168 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure. I think I think the game 169 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: as a whole has grown up a little bit, and 170 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: players in that sense. I think everyone's attle bit more 171 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 2: aware of the dangers out there, particularly with our society 172 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: of technology and phones and CCT vision fort everywhere. I think, yeah, 173 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 2: I think responsibilities are much higher. I think the boys 174 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 2: sort of understand that a lot more these days. So 175 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 2: I don't know if we're helping, but you know, we 176 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 2: certainly pride ourselves on not just performing on the field, 177 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: but performing offered as well. 178 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: The depression you talk about in the book one was 179 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: that difficult for you to do, and too, did it 180 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: surprise a lot of people that a person with your 181 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: level of success suffered those sort of difficulties. 182 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: I think it did. I certainly got a lot of 183 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 2: feedback from it. I think that's part of the reason 184 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 2: I did it is that, you know, I've certainly found that, 185 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 2: you know, stick in the last few years, I've just 186 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 2: been sort of privatable finding out a lot of things 187 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 2: about people that it's just it's out there a lot, 188 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 2: but no one us men don't really like talking about it. 189 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 2: So I thought it was a good opportunity to, you know, 190 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 2: someone who's had some success sort of you know, it's 191 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,719 Speaker 2: not it's not all beer and skittles. And I think 192 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: the more we talk about it and sort of almost 193 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 2: normalize it or certainly destigmatize it, I think is important 194 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: because it's a silent it's a bit of a silent thing. 195 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: You generally don't see it, and us as guys are 196 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: pretty good at disguising it. So that's that's really what 197 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 2: I will. You know, while I've brought it up and 198 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 2: wanted to talk about it. 199 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: Now, what about the longevity of coaches once you reach 200 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: as you have a certain level of success do you think, 201 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 1: and I said, I don't know. Bill Belichick, Alex Ferguson, 202 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 1: do you reckon you should be able to stay on 203 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:09,599 Speaker 1: as long as you like. 204 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good question, and I don't really 205 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: know the answer. You know, I've been here two times, 206 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 2: but the second time back is I'm going into my 207 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: seventh season. So at the moment, I'm just I'm just 208 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 2: really focused on, you know, one season, one campaign, you know, 209 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 2: one pre season at a time, and I guess time 210 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 2: will tell. I'm not looking too far into the future. 211 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 2: The club has spoken to me about that, but I'm not. 212 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 2: At the moment, I'm I'm just happy with I've got 213 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 2: three years to go on my current contract, so that's 214 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 2: that's plenty as far as you know, where I am 215 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,599 Speaker 2: now on my license and really enjoying it and just 216 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 2: want to stay stay on a you know, I guess 217 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 2: president if you like, and just keep trying to get 218 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: this team performing. 219 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: How well, how do you start that, by the way, 220 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: because you so this year obviously, I don't know, it's 221 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: playoffs preferably top four, and we'll go from there. Or 222 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: do you not look that far ahead? 223 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 2: Now? I always try to start with the end in mind. Mike. 224 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: I think that's that's been an important sort of chain 225 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 2: to shift in the way we look at things. So 226 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 2: you know, we we want to finish with the trophy, 227 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: that's what we want. And then once we've sort of 228 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 2: settled on that, then we you know, we basically don't 229 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 2: talk about it again sort of how we work. But 230 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: I think it's important to really be really clear on 231 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 2: where you want to get to. And I think you know, 232 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 2: we know that we're capable, which is as I said earlier, 233 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 2: it's that's an important belief to have to know that 234 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 2: you are one capable of dood doing it, and then 235 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: it's really just working and making sure we you know, 236 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: we get as close as our capabilities as we can. 237 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: Good stuff. Well, listen, I wish you all the very 238 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: very best for the coming season. Look forward to meeting you. 239 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: I say that lightly, of course, with the worries. Iban Cleary, 240 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: not everything counts, but everything matters. Ivan Cleary out of 241 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: Sydney this morning. 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