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Couldn't smoke one of us a beaut it 0:00:31.053 --> 0:00:34.093 is out hearing guys, this delivery has in. 0:00:34.333 --> 0:00:35.813 The news of Befold. 0:00:37.733 --> 0:00:41.093 On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Coney, 0:00:41.413 --> 0:00:45.293 powered by News Talks dead B at iHeart Radio. 0:00:47.653 --> 0:00:49.933 Hello, nice to be back on the front foot with you. 0:00:50.293 --> 0:00:53.933 The black Caps squad for the England series just adjusted 0:00:53.973 --> 0:00:57.053 a little bit to suit conditions or is it his name? 0:00:57.133 --> 0:01:01.013 During the week, sim Salvey ends his his career in Hamilton. 0:01:01.773 --> 0:01:06.013 Is the concussion replacements rule in first past trick a fair? 0:01:07.173 --> 0:01:10.493 And is England second favorite for the home series? Here, 0:01:11.013 --> 0:01:14.413 as suggested last week by AGAs not too short? Do 0:01:14.573 --> 0:01:17.013 we go in as favorites? Do we want to go 0:01:17.133 --> 0:01:19.533 in as favorites? We've got Warren Lee's former New Zealand 0:01:19.573 --> 0:01:22.973 coach and New Zealand week keeper and selector and everything else, 0:01:23.093 --> 0:01:27.613 along with Jeremy Coney who we discussed these issues. Do 0:01:27.733 --> 0:01:28.613 we go in as favorites? 0:01:28.693 --> 0:01:32.773 Jerry, I wouldn't have said that as strongly as that was. 0:01:33.853 --> 0:01:37.533 I know we've just come out of India very different conditions. 0:01:37.573 --> 0:01:40.773 We're coming back to something that we know. England know 0:01:40.893 --> 0:01:43.573 it as well, don't they. They will feel, I think, 0:01:44.053 --> 0:01:46.653 a lot more comfortable than where they'd been recently in 0:01:46.813 --> 0:01:50.373 terms of the pictures and conditions. They certainly gave us 0:01:50.413 --> 0:01:53.653 a bit of a belting the last time that they 0:01:53.733 --> 0:01:57.413 were here. And I'm talking about their batsmen attacking our 0:01:57.853 --> 0:02:02.173 sort of medium fast ish bowlers, and I think perhaps 0:02:02.253 --> 0:02:04.773 the pictures and the size of the grounds might just 0:02:05.373 --> 0:02:07.733 suit them a little bit as well. They've got, of 0:02:07.853 --> 0:02:13.533 course Wokes and Matthew Potts similar to New Zealand style 0:02:13.613 --> 0:02:15.853 of bowlers as well. They've got a wee bit of 0:02:15.933 --> 0:02:20.373 place in Olie Stone and Gus Atkinson as well. And 0:02:20.933 --> 0:02:22.973 I don't know whether they'll use their spinners too much. 0:02:22.973 --> 0:02:26.413 They'll probably select show of bashir I think down in 0:02:26.533 --> 0:02:29.973 the first Test. So look, I think it's a very 0:02:30.053 --> 0:02:35.013 close run thing. Actually, if anything, they have more dangerous players. 0:02:35.093 --> 0:02:38.693 I would say that, yeah, well are we better off 0:02:38.813 --> 0:02:40.453 just taking the old underdog's tag? 0:02:41.413 --> 0:02:44.013 We're fighting from behind, Wally. We always seem to have 0:02:44.133 --> 0:02:46.813 the underdog tag, even though we're playing pretty good Test 0:02:46.853 --> 0:02:49.413 match cricket at the moment. Are we better that way? 0:02:49.853 --> 0:02:51.853 Well? I think we are. But history sort of says 0:02:51.893 --> 0:02:53.733 that we'll be the underdog in many of these series 0:02:53.853 --> 0:02:56.653 because we deserve to be, and I think in this 0:02:56.813 --> 0:03:00.293 case the conditions are going to suit both teams a 0:03:00.373 --> 0:03:04.213 lot more than the cricket that they've played recently. However, 0:03:04.653 --> 0:03:07.453 I do agree with what Jeremy's saying. I think they 0:03:07.573 --> 0:03:11.253 may be slightly stronger in certain areas on pictures that 0:03:11.373 --> 0:03:13.813 might do a little bit for the seamers. And I 0:03:13.933 --> 0:03:17.133 think really we're still at a stage where we're we've 0:03:17.133 --> 0:03:19.973 at inexperienced in certain areas, and I think that the 0:03:20.013 --> 0:03:23.133 amount of cricket that the English team plays, the way 0:03:23.213 --> 0:03:25.933 that they've played an awful lot of cricket and this 0:03:26.053 --> 0:03:29.533 sort of these sort of conditions, I can't see us 0:03:29.613 --> 0:03:30.333 being the favorites. 0:03:30.693 --> 0:03:33.573 Well, we'll reflect on that in a moment. Also, the 0:03:33.693 --> 0:03:36.253 side that New Zealand has picked, but one of those 0:03:36.333 --> 0:03:38.813 that's in the side, of course is film Saudi, and 0:03:39.293 --> 0:03:42.613 I guess Saudi is finally faced up to the reality 0:03:42.773 --> 0:03:46.053 newest time was up and he will say goodbye to 0:03:46.133 --> 0:03:48.693 Test credit well, we think so anyway, unless you will 0:03:48.813 --> 0:03:51.853 get into the final of the World Test Championship that 0:03:52.013 --> 0:03:55.253 will be in Hamilton. But he knew his time was up. 0:03:55.533 --> 0:03:58.253 Just playing a gamp. His enm was an a dream country. 0:03:58.413 --> 0:04:01.653 So to do that at a young age was pretty special. 0:04:01.693 --> 0:04:04.333 And I guess to sit here and it's gone, it's 0:04:04.333 --> 0:04:06.413 going to string you quickly and set here and I 0:04:06.493 --> 0:04:09.453 guess in time of the next along you reflect more. 0:04:09.533 --> 0:04:11.573 But but it's just been been a great ride and 0:04:11.613 --> 0:04:14.453 there's there's still a little bit to go. But certainly 0:04:14.493 --> 0:04:16.693 didn't know it took that field in Nape. You didn't 0:04:16.733 --> 0:04:20.173 think we'll be sitting here seventeen years on, that's for sure. 0:04:20.253 --> 0:04:22.533 But it has just been a real privilege and a 0:04:22.533 --> 0:04:25.573 real honor to to to I guess fulfill a childhood 0:04:25.613 --> 0:04:28.293 dream and rips in our country. I guess you look 0:04:28.333 --> 0:04:30.773 at what's in front of you. And last year it 0:04:30.893 --> 0:04:32.133 was the one day we'll cup and we had to 0:04:32.173 --> 0:04:34.053 teach when he will cup. Earlier this year we had 0:04:34.053 --> 0:04:36.773 this this chunk of Test cricket, which I guess was 0:04:37.933 --> 0:04:40.573 all exciting parts along the last last twelve months and 0:04:40.653 --> 0:04:42.933 you sort of you're near the end of that that exciting, 0:04:43.053 --> 0:04:45.013 exciting part and you sort of look forward and you're like, 0:04:45.693 --> 0:04:47.773 you look at it and it's a marquee series against 0:04:47.893 --> 0:04:51.813 a great opposition, one obviously which started again against all 0:04:51.813 --> 0:04:53.773 those years ago, and and you sort of look at 0:04:53.773 --> 0:04:57.853 it and it feels feels right, one last chance at 0:04:57.933 --> 0:05:00.693 three grounds that have been been pretty good to me 0:05:00.773 --> 0:05:03.493 and and places I really love love playing it. So 0:05:03.613 --> 0:05:07.173 it's sort of, yeah, conversations with with close ones and 0:05:07.693 --> 0:05:09.853 and this is where we sort of landed. But yes, 0:05:10.053 --> 0:05:13.853 it's it's a tough decision, but I think it's the 0:05:13.973 --> 0:05:17.133 right one. Also, got some promising young bowlers coming through, 0:05:17.213 --> 0:05:22.533 which I've thoroughly enjoyed working alongside and and hopefully taught 0:05:22.573 --> 0:05:24.413 them a thing or two on the way, and and 0:05:24.493 --> 0:05:26.133 they've certainly taught me a thing a thing or two 0:05:26.173 --> 0:05:28.613 as well. Just so that's been been a pleasure and 0:05:28.693 --> 0:05:31.733 it's it's their time now to keep driving this team forward. 0:05:32.133 --> 0:05:35.093 Well, he's been a great seven for the game, Wally 0:05:35.173 --> 0:05:37.773 Tim Salvie. I mean, it's been a long career and 0:05:38.533 --> 0:05:40.853 I think now he probably has seen the writing on 0:05:40.933 --> 0:05:41.533 the wall, hasn't he. 0:05:42.413 --> 0:05:44.173 I think he probably has. And one of the things 0:05:44.213 --> 0:05:48.253 that really hit me when that that retirement and announcement 0:05:48.373 --> 0:05:50.813 came out, was you know, I'm going to play my 0:05:50.973 --> 0:05:54.333 last test in Hamilton, my home ground and New Zealand 0:05:54.373 --> 0:05:57.813 cricket of okay that and then what about the player 0:05:58.413 --> 0:06:02.173 who doesn't play at Hamilton because Saldi plays in his play? 0:06:02.293 --> 0:06:04.893 So are we actually I actually thought that Saudi had 0:06:04.893 --> 0:06:07.613 played his last test, to be honest and un necessarily 0:06:07.653 --> 0:06:10.853 think his record or anything. But I don't know that 0:06:11.373 --> 0:06:13.693 when you look at the number of players we have 0:06:13.893 --> 0:06:16.333 who have been in and out of the team, they're 0:06:16.373 --> 0:06:20.253 gaining experience, they're tool well, but they're not getting enough experience. 0:06:21.053 --> 0:06:23.093 I don't know that by the time that the Hamilton 0:06:23.173 --> 0:06:26.893 Test comes around that Tim Sowdy will be would be 0:06:27.853 --> 0:06:30.293 guaranteed of a place in the team. And I would 0:06:30.333 --> 0:06:32.333 hate to think that when you look back at it 0:06:32.373 --> 0:06:35.773 in ten years time, someone was given a game because 0:06:35.773 --> 0:06:38.413 it was a retirement game, and yet it's a test 0:06:38.493 --> 0:06:42.133 match what every player who plays cricket in New Zealand 0:06:42.293 --> 0:06:45.653 wants to attain at some stage. I'm not sure about that. 0:06:46.773 --> 0:06:49.093 Yeah, interesting that, Jerry, But that's the way things have 0:06:49.173 --> 0:06:50.133 done these days, isn't it. 0:06:50.413 --> 0:06:53.893 It seems well it shouldn't be, and we don't put 0:06:54.053 --> 0:06:56.093 test teams on the sentimentality, do we. 0:06:57.213 --> 0:06:59.333 I mean, Sowdy's probably. 0:06:59.013 --> 0:07:03.413 In New Zealand's best four seemas or five seamers while 0:07:03.533 --> 0:07:06.453 Jamison and Sears are injured, but as soon as they 0:07:06.613 --> 0:07:10.253 come back, I can't see him make that lineup at all. 0:07:11.493 --> 0:07:14.533 We all know Sawdy's past achievements, and that's really what 0:07:14.693 --> 0:07:17.973 we're sort of talking about at the moment, but we 0:07:18.133 --> 0:07:21.573 also know he's not quite that Saudi that we've known now. 0:07:22.413 --> 0:07:22.933 He's been a. 0:07:22.973 --> 0:07:27.093 Stalwart and a great foil with bolts, and he improved 0:07:27.173 --> 0:07:31.053 as he developed that outswing, of course, and using the 0:07:31.173 --> 0:07:32.773 crease and the wobble ball and. 0:07:32.813 --> 0:07:34.733 The three you know, he did those things. 0:07:34.813 --> 0:07:38.013 He used to nail Yorkers, and because he was tall, 0:07:38.093 --> 0:07:40.173 he had a short ball there for himself to use, 0:07:40.533 --> 0:07:43.013 and he worked players out and worked them over a bit, 0:07:43.373 --> 0:07:45.773 and he became a clever bowler, pulled them a bit 0:07:45.853 --> 0:07:49.813 wider of the stump's fine bowler, very accurate catcher in 0:07:49.893 --> 0:07:52.973 the outfield and in the slips. I got the impression 0:07:53.053 --> 0:07:55.133 he loved being in the New Zealand team too, and 0:07:55.373 --> 0:07:58.013 became pretty central to it. While with no more than 0:07:58.053 --> 0:08:01.213 that than me and set to finish second to Hadley 0:08:01.533 --> 0:08:05.013 in terms of wickets. I think, did I see somewhere 0:08:05.053 --> 0:08:07.693 he got too? He's got two hundred ode eyes and 0:08:07.733 --> 0:08:10.893 one hundred twenty wickets as well. Ye you know, he's 0:08:10.933 --> 0:08:13.693 adapted to the shorter formats. So he's been a great 0:08:13.733 --> 0:08:17.013 New Zealand cricketer. But it is you know, fifteen wickets 0:08:17.053 --> 0:08:20.373 in the last ten Tests that kind of doesn't you know, 0:08:20.493 --> 0:08:22.493 It sort of says that it's time. 0:08:22.853 --> 0:08:25.533 Yep. He did a great job when he was leading 0:08:25.613 --> 0:08:30.813 the attack seven hundred and seventy international wickets and he's 0:08:30.853 --> 0:08:35.973 been a great performer. Any special memories on what he achieved, well, 0:08:36.453 --> 0:08:38.653 I mean, I know there are a couple of very 0:08:38.693 --> 0:08:40.853 good bowling performances. I don't know that I can remember 0:08:40.933 --> 0:08:43.573 too many of his batting performances, although he did get 0:08:43.853 --> 0:08:46.493 sixty on on one of those Indian Tests which helped 0:08:46.573 --> 0:08:48.973 me with hell and win in that series. 0:08:49.613 --> 0:08:53.053 I just think he's someone who had a really mixed 0:08:53.093 --> 0:08:57.733 start with New Zealand team. He had issues of fitting 0:08:57.773 --> 0:09:01.373 into the group. The fact that you're now on tour 0:09:02.013 --> 0:09:05.093 and this is the behavior that's required, and that happens 0:09:05.093 --> 0:09:07.933 to a lot of people. I think he went through 0:09:07.973 --> 0:09:12.413 that ership quite quickly and he learned the lessons and 0:09:12.573 --> 0:09:16.213 therefore he started to develop a mind that could sort 0:09:16.253 --> 0:09:18.533 out his game and the game of the players he 0:09:19.573 --> 0:09:24.053 played against. And I think his career has been absolutely fantastic. However, 0:09:24.173 --> 0:09:26.933 I I want to go on about this too long, 0:09:27.013 --> 0:09:30.533 but I hope that Sam Wells and Gary Stead are 0:09:30.613 --> 0:09:32.813 still picking the best team when it comes to a 0:09:32.893 --> 0:09:35.773 Test match to fit the conditions and the team we 0:09:35.853 --> 0:09:38.333 play against. It's got to be the best team we 0:09:38.373 --> 0:09:41.893 can put on the park. Otherwise we deserve to be 0:09:42.013 --> 0:09:45.173 called the underdogs. If we're just saying well well done. 0:09:45.173 --> 0:09:47.893 It's been a long career and you two players. One's 0:09:47.893 --> 0:09:50.973 a bestment, one's a bowl you can play in the last. No, 0:09:51.213 --> 0:09:53.813 that's not the way Test cricket is. Test cricket is 0:09:54.573 --> 0:09:56.973 the top game you can ever play, and we've got 0:09:57.013 --> 0:09:57.773 to keep it that way. 0:09:58.573 --> 0:10:01.533 One of his best bowling performances, to my mind, came 0:10:01.733 --> 0:10:06.093 in Bangalore. I was lucky to see the performance in 0:10:06.693 --> 0:10:11.373 India seven for sixty four. Aside that they contained Pijara Coley, 0:10:12.173 --> 0:10:14.813 Dony Tindokal was on that team as well seven for 0:10:14.893 --> 0:10:17.453 sixty four and Bengalora is a pretty good achievement. The 0:10:17.533 --> 0:10:19.573 other one jury was at seven for thirty three. He 0:10:19.693 --> 0:10:24.133 took at Sky Stadium in Wellington in the World Cup 0:10:24.173 --> 0:10:26.853 in twenty fifteen against England and goes Southe. 0:10:26.973 --> 0:10:28.453 Then a good start for England is there and he 0:10:28.493 --> 0:10:32.293 bowls is bowling, Bell's bowled and airy drive. It was 0:10:32.413 --> 0:10:34.693 full and it's in the play around it a bit. 0:10:35.613 --> 0:10:37.373 Just as I was saying it's a good start for England, 0:10:38.733 --> 0:10:41.413 they lose their first wicket and then now eighteen for 0:10:41.533 --> 0:10:47.253 one is his pitch, mubbyl Yorker and mooween's out. Whoa wow, 0:10:47.453 --> 0:10:51.293 wow clean bowlder Yorka might have swung a little bit again. 0:10:51.333 --> 0:10:52.453 Itthing rather late on it to me. 0:10:53.533 --> 0:10:54.413 Seth again. 0:10:56.893 --> 0:10:58.293 One hundred and four for five. 0:10:58.853 --> 0:11:03.533 Taylor goes without scoring New Zealand flying in Wellington to. 0:11:03.573 --> 0:11:05.933 The bowling of Southey, and the teacher I'd got behind 0:11:07.493 --> 0:11:10.693 Land across the all just left him ever so slightly. 0:11:10.893 --> 0:11:14.773 There's a lovely delivery again from Southe. Here he is 0:11:14.853 --> 0:11:20.973 to Wokes and bowld five for Sauthe brilliant performance with 0:11:21.053 --> 0:11:23.413 the ball five for twenty six it's one hundred and 0:11:23.533 --> 0:11:26.533 ten for seven. Saudi bars to him and this one 0:11:26.773 --> 0:11:32.893 has him hitting towardsman Off and as Kyle caught by Vitty. 0:11:33.093 --> 0:11:39.653 That's six for Southey and again an unusual stroke. Vitri 0:11:39.773 --> 0:11:42.133 has made ground to his left. He's taken the catch 0:11:43.653 --> 0:11:44.773 and brought us on his way. 0:11:45.253 --> 0:11:48.493 Saudi again balls has edge and taking it slip. There's 0:11:48.573 --> 0:11:51.573 the seventh. I won a performance by Tim Saudi. This 0:11:51.653 --> 0:11:53.973 has been He's taken seven for thirty one the best 0:11:54.013 --> 0:11:56.613 figures buy a New Zealand to a one day international 0:11:56.653 --> 0:11:59.413 cricket and he's absolutely swepting a aside. 0:12:00.653 --> 0:12:02.813 Yeah that was that was Actually I think the game 0:12:02.853 --> 0:12:08.213 almost over before lunch and all the English medium of 0:12:08.453 --> 0:12:12.933 really hacked off. They might not get a lunch, but yeah, 0:12:13.093 --> 0:12:16.053 look one the first one you mentioned is the one 0:12:16.093 --> 0:12:20.853 that stands out for me because in Indian conditions on 0:12:20.973 --> 0:12:24.013 a surface that didn't suit him quite so well, he 0:12:24.093 --> 0:12:26.893 couldn't keep on swinging it. He had to find other 0:12:27.013 --> 0:12:30.933 ways to get good players out and to get seven 0:12:31.053 --> 0:12:33.213 for I think it was about seven for sixty odd 0:12:33.413 --> 0:12:36.493 or whatever. But he held the whole New Zealand bowling 0:12:36.533 --> 0:12:39.413 innings together. There look It's like any player, I mean, 0:12:39.453 --> 0:12:41.893 he's played over one hundred Tests. You're going to have 0:12:42.013 --> 0:12:45.293 some good ones wadds, and you're going to have some 0:12:45.453 --> 0:12:47.613 days that are not so good, of course, and you 0:12:47.733 --> 0:12:50.613 try and make your average days a little bit better, 0:12:50.693 --> 0:12:53.693 and you're always trying to push to keep going, and 0:12:55.293 --> 0:12:57.693 you know you're bound to have a few good days 0:12:57.733 --> 0:13:01.053 and so will. There will be lots of people listening 0:13:02.013 --> 0:13:03.693 to this to who'll be able to think of many 0:13:03.773 --> 0:13:06.173 more than I can right at the moment. But that's 0:13:06.253 --> 0:13:10.253 one I certainly remember thinking, boy, that's a very good 0:13:10.333 --> 0:13:11.333 bowling performance. 0:13:11.813 --> 0:13:14.893 Yeah, you look back at the career in the earlier 0:13:14.933 --> 0:13:20.613 stages like twenty twelve, twenty thirteen and those years. In 0:13:20.693 --> 0:13:23.693 twenty thirteen he took thirty six Test wickets that year 0:13:23.973 --> 0:13:28.173 and played eight Tests. Now the contrast that to Jimmy Anderson, 0:13:28.493 --> 0:13:32.053 who actually played fourteen Test matches that year and took 0:13:32.133 --> 0:13:35.493 fifty odd Test wickets. And so you know, Saudi and 0:13:35.493 --> 0:13:39.173 the New Zealand bowlers probably come a distant second to 0:13:39.493 --> 0:13:42.413 many of those players with the opportunities they get. 0:13:42.773 --> 0:13:46.413 Wally, Yeah, that's exactly right. One thing that we mustn't 0:13:46.453 --> 0:13:50.373 forget is we look back on clicker as the past 0:13:50.493 --> 0:13:53.933 easier for old people like me. But the Hadley Chatfield, 0:13:54.773 --> 0:13:57.413 that sort of thing was that was a combination of people. 0:13:57.973 --> 0:14:02.293 I think sometimes we perhaps overlooked the fact that Saudi 0:14:02.453 --> 0:14:05.213 was quite quick to say, this doesn't suit me today. 0:14:05.813 --> 0:14:09.573 The work at taking doesn't suit me. The win's not 0:14:09.613 --> 0:14:11.853 in the right. I have to take a minor role 0:14:12.213 --> 0:14:15.333 for Trent, for Trent Bolt to take wickets. And I 0:14:15.413 --> 0:14:18.213 think that the number of times I've seen them play together, 0:14:18.933 --> 0:14:22.813 and I think they had an understanding of a really 0:14:22.853 --> 0:14:25.293 good understanding of whose day it was going to be, 0:14:25.933 --> 0:14:28.453 and the other player was quite accepting of the fact 0:14:28.453 --> 0:14:30.973 that he had to play more of a containing role. 0:14:31.053 --> 0:14:33.493 And I think I actually think that Tim Sowdy was 0:14:33.573 --> 0:14:37.133 very good at that throughout the latter part of his career. Well. 0:14:37.173 --> 0:14:39.213 That was an important part of any cricket side though, 0:14:39.253 --> 0:14:42.053 to have a bowling duo at the top and two 0:14:42.093 --> 0:14:43.653 guys that did compliment each other. 0:14:43.813 --> 0:14:49.853 Jerry, Oh yeah, I mean you challenge the different edges 0:14:49.893 --> 0:14:54.493 of the bat. They were different bowlers in a way. 0:14:54.533 --> 0:14:56.373 I thought Bolt was just slightly quicker. 0:14:57.573 --> 0:14:58.733 He perhaps. 0:15:00.213 --> 0:15:03.773 He provided a different angle, really, I mean, and Saudi 0:15:03.853 --> 0:15:07.373 did that by using the crease whilst staying over the wicket, 0:15:07.813 --> 0:15:11.453 and so so he found ways. And that was the 0:15:12.413 --> 0:15:16.333 thing I suppose about Southey Bolt I thought had just 0:15:16.733 --> 0:15:20.013 slightly he looked as if he could run through a 0:15:20.133 --> 0:15:24.653 team a little more quickly. But that's only me from 0:15:25.213 --> 0:15:29.333 you know, a distance watching. They both were terrific together. 0:15:29.453 --> 0:15:31.853 I think we just got to say that was great 0:15:31.933 --> 0:15:35.653 that they what a happy coincidence they came together themselves. 0:15:36.613 --> 0:15:39.253 But you're right about the It was right about the 0:15:39.373 --> 0:15:43.853 number of games that the Big three in particularly England play, 0:15:43.893 --> 0:15:47.453 and you were mentioning Anderson there as far as New 0:15:47.573 --> 0:15:50.173 Zealand and say that, you know, not the Big three 0:15:50.733 --> 0:15:53.453 are concerned. You know, the Big Three plus seventy one 0:15:53.493 --> 0:15:56.773 percent of their Test series our three Test match series 0:15:57.413 --> 0:16:00.733 and twenty nine percent are two Test match series. Ours 0:16:00.853 --> 0:16:04.493 are exactly the opposite, seventy one percent of two tests 0:16:04.813 --> 0:16:08.813 and twenty nine are three tests series. And well that's 0:16:08.813 --> 0:16:11.093 where we make our money when the Big threey come 0:16:11.133 --> 0:16:15.053 to town, isn't it, Which is precisely why we played 0:16:15.173 --> 0:16:18.653 so many two tests series. You know, three Test matches 0:16:18.773 --> 0:16:21.653 is a rarity. We're looking forward to it this particular time. 0:16:22.053 --> 0:16:25.773 Because our boards, you know, they you know they want 0:16:25.853 --> 0:16:27.933 to play just a two tests and then play a 0:16:27.973 --> 0:16:29.373 few short format matches. 0:16:30.373 --> 0:16:32.333 You know, it's a money it's a money issue. 0:16:32.893 --> 0:16:36.813 Well, getting back to your original point two, Wally about 0:16:36.813 --> 0:16:39.133 whether or not Sauthy should play Hamilton. What about in 0:16:39.213 --> 0:16:42.333 christych the first test coming up? He has led the attack. 0:16:42.853 --> 0:16:47.493 They've got a deck that I imagine will be made 0:16:47.533 --> 0:16:50.733 for seemas because spinners have been pushed a little bit 0:16:50.853 --> 0:16:54.133 to the background in terms of selection with Satna not 0:16:54.293 --> 0:16:56.853 being chosen there. But they've still got those who can 0:16:57.333 --> 0:17:04.013 turn the ball. But Henry O'Rourke and Sauvey, should that 0:17:04.253 --> 0:17:08.893 be our seam attack or does Nathan Smith to look. 0:17:08.733 --> 0:17:14.533 At well, I definitely have seen Nathan Smith a few 0:17:14.653 --> 0:17:19.453 times earlier on in his career, and I was nothing 0:17:19.533 --> 0:17:22.773 but impressed when I saw him and Alexander a couple 0:17:22.773 --> 0:17:27.693 of seasons ago. Seldom can you say this guy has 0:17:27.813 --> 0:17:32.173 got something special. He's an athlete. He runs in as 0:17:32.253 --> 0:17:35.333 if he's one hundred percent fit. He runs in with 0:17:35.413 --> 0:17:38.893 a rhythm that says, on my day, I can do 0:17:39.253 --> 0:17:43.613 special things. And I think it doesn't always happen. But 0:17:43.733 --> 0:17:45.853 I have seen him at his very best and I've thought, 0:17:46.333 --> 0:17:48.653 my word, this guy sometime is going to get an 0:17:48.693 --> 0:17:51.573 opportunity seldom given to a lot of other people. But 0:17:52.333 --> 0:17:55.933 it's possibly because he just looks athletic. You see a 0:17:55.973 --> 0:17:58.653 lot of fastball and you think, God, they're struggling to 0:17:58.693 --> 0:18:00.853 get to the picture. They struggle, they struggle to get 0:18:00.853 --> 0:18:04.293 into their rhythm. They really know this guy when he's 0:18:04.373 --> 0:18:08.053 on his day, he's got something special. And I think 0:18:08.813 --> 0:18:11.293 I'm not saying they should just keep chopping and changing 0:18:11.333 --> 0:18:13.533 these players, but we have done a wee bit of 0:18:13.573 --> 0:18:15.533 that in the last couple of seasons. We've had an 0:18:15.573 --> 0:18:18.413 awful lot of seeing Boulders play for New Zealand and 0:18:18.533 --> 0:18:22.093 never been seen again through injury and lack of form perhaps, 0:18:22.173 --> 0:18:25.533 But we've got to settle on someone soon to make 0:18:25.613 --> 0:18:29.413 that replacement. And I think he has every opportunity. 0:18:29.773 --> 0:18:32.933 For Seema's part times Betner, then for the Test match, 0:18:33.013 --> 0:18:35.333 do you see yeah? 0:18:35.333 --> 0:18:38.413 I think so. Well, we don't know that, we don't 0:18:38.453 --> 0:18:41.573 know what they're going to offer up and have the conditions, 0:18:41.653 --> 0:18:44.253 but we've got a fair idea that's not going to 0:18:44.293 --> 0:18:46.933 be what they've been playing on recently, so it is 0:18:47.013 --> 0:18:49.133 going to be a seam as sort of thing it 0:18:49.253 --> 0:18:52.453 may be, and I think you're heading towards that that maybe, well, 0:18:52.493 --> 0:18:57.253 who's the spin riff? There's only one? And also you've 0:18:57.293 --> 0:18:59.573 got to give the guys the opportunity. Those who have 0:18:59.653 --> 0:19:02.733 performed recently have surprised a lot. 0:19:02.693 --> 0:19:03.813 Of people a row. 0:19:04.453 --> 0:19:07.653 He's surprised a lot of people the way he seemed 0:19:07.653 --> 0:19:13.373 to claim an experienced head before his time, and I 0:19:13.493 --> 0:19:16.413 think that's fantastic. We can't give them a couple of 0:19:16.493 --> 0:19:19.293 games and throw them aside. We've got to start looking 0:19:19.333 --> 0:19:22.533 after what we've got. And yeah, I think we've got 0:19:22.573 --> 0:19:25.213 every opportunity of picking four really good seemas at the moment. 0:19:25.973 --> 0:19:29.173 But of a dilemma, Jerry, isn't it well that the selectors, 0:19:29.493 --> 0:19:32.773 I mean they've left Bracewell, Ajas, Patel and Sanna are 0:19:32.773 --> 0:19:36.213 out in this test, haven't they. It's going to be 0:19:36.333 --> 0:19:39.613 for seemas, isn't it. That's what they're basically saying. And 0:19:39.733 --> 0:19:42.093 the selectors are not going to fight nature and try 0:19:42.173 --> 0:19:44.933 to attempt to, you know, try and get Hagley over 0:19:45.093 --> 0:19:46.413 to turn aggressively. 0:19:46.813 --> 0:19:49.853 You can't. You can't just do that. So I would 0:19:49.893 --> 0:19:51.213 say it's a seam shootout. 0:19:51.253 --> 0:19:55.693 There's no or a swing shootout as well, So batsmen 0:19:55.773 --> 0:19:58.493 better gear up for that sort of those sorts of questions. 0:19:58.573 --> 0:20:01.813 I think, and you know, and I think if they're wise, 0:20:02.373 --> 0:20:06.333 they'll take that movement beyond the first innings, if they can, 0:20:06.733 --> 0:20:09.413 if we're good enough to do that, because you know, 0:20:09.573 --> 0:20:12.573 whether that's a little bit longer grass on it, whatever 0:20:12.653 --> 0:20:15.653 they feel they have to do. We want to have 0:20:15.773 --> 0:20:17.533 a chance to bowl at England and we don't want 0:20:17.573 --> 0:20:21.053 the toss to determine that. I mean, I'm talking about 0:20:21.133 --> 0:20:24.093 how do we beat England. We beat England by the 0:20:24.173 --> 0:20:27.853 ball moving. If we allow New Zealand pictures to get 0:20:27.933 --> 0:20:32.053 flat and for the English batsman to hit through the line. 0:20:32.933 --> 0:20:33.613 We'll get hit. 0:20:34.733 --> 0:20:38.293 I'm afraid that's it. That's what will happen. That's where 0:20:38.373 --> 0:20:43.933 their strength lies. And so movement is the key against England. 0:20:44.333 --> 0:20:46.293 I mean, they did it to us last time. If 0:20:46.333 --> 0:20:49.373 you remember, look at what they got eight hundred and 0:20:49.453 --> 0:20:53.133 twenty three for seven against Pakistan at five point five. 0:20:54.293 --> 0:20:57.093 That's where they like to dominate with them a different 0:20:57.133 --> 0:21:01.173 condition where it turns and it changes instead of batting 0:21:01.253 --> 0:21:04.413 for that length of time and Royal Pindi they batted 0:21:04.453 --> 0:21:08.253 for thirty seven overs in the second deck. They try, 0:21:08.773 --> 0:21:12.453 they have trouble when the ball is moving. So that's 0:21:13.293 --> 0:21:16.133 the sort of thing I think we should prepare and 0:21:16.253 --> 0:21:19.733 we are going to have to fight it out ourselves 0:21:20.173 --> 0:21:21.013 with our batsmen. 0:21:21.813 --> 0:21:23.133 That's the way we have to do it. 0:21:23.613 --> 0:21:26.493 That's interesting, Wally, because if that's the case and we 0:21:26.733 --> 0:21:29.853 use the Seamas, we're going to have to either have 0:21:30.373 --> 0:21:35.093 one of Phillips or a Vendra or else we don't 0:21:35.213 --> 0:21:38.333 pick will Young, So who is it out of the 0:21:38.413 --> 0:21:40.653 top six, Because you're going to have Blundle at seven. 0:21:41.093 --> 0:21:43.573 Who's going to miss out in the top six? With 0:21:43.693 --> 0:21:45.453 Williamson back in the side, I. 0:21:45.453 --> 0:21:47.453 Think it's really hard to tune around to will Young 0:21:47.533 --> 0:21:51.533 and say, you know, well done, that's fantastic, and we 0:21:51.693 --> 0:21:53.453 really think you've got a future and now you're not 0:21:53.573 --> 0:21:56.093 going to play. I think there's something we have to 0:21:56.373 --> 0:21:59.133 It's a funny thing with our psyche about the way 0:21:59.213 --> 0:22:02.053 we bat in a lot of these games, especially against 0:22:02.373 --> 0:22:05.653 the top three teams in the past, is that we 0:22:05.773 --> 0:22:08.173 go out to bat when we say two or three down, 0:22:08.413 --> 0:22:11.413 as if we have no confidence at the next player 0:22:11.533 --> 0:22:14.573