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Speaker 2: Hello, nice to be back on the front foot with you.
Speaker 2: The black Caps squad for the England series just adjusted
Speaker 2: a little bit to suit conditions or is it his name?
Speaker 2: During the week, sim Salvey ends his his career in Hamilton.
Speaker 2: Is the concussion replacements rule in first past trick a fair?
Speaker 2: And is England second favorite for the home series? Here,
Speaker 2: as suggested last week by AGAs not too short? Do
Speaker 2: we go in as favorites? Do we want to go
Speaker 2: in as favorites? We've got Warren Lee's former New Zealand
Speaker 2: coach and New Zealand week keeper and selector and everything else,
Speaker 2: along with Jeremy Coney who we discussed these issues. Do
Speaker 2: we go in as favorites?
Speaker 4: Jerry, I wouldn't have said that as strongly as that was.
Speaker 4: I know we've just come out of India very different conditions.
Speaker 4: We're coming back to something that we know. England know
Speaker 4: it as well, don't they. They will feel, I think,
Speaker 4: a lot more comfortable than where they'd been recently in
Speaker 4: terms of the pictures and conditions. They certainly gave us
Speaker 4: a bit of a belting the last time that they
Speaker 4: were here. And I'm talking about their batsmen attacking our
Speaker 4: sort of medium fast ish bowlers, and I think perhaps
Speaker 4: the pictures and the size of the grounds might just
Speaker 4: suit them a little bit as well. They've got, of
Speaker 4: course Wokes and Matthew Potts similar to New Zealand style
Speaker 4: of bowlers as well. They've got a wee bit of
Speaker 4: place in Olie Stone and Gus Atkinson as well. And
Speaker 4: I don't know whether they'll use their spinners too much.
Speaker 4: They'll probably select show of bashir I think down in
Speaker 4: the first Test. So look, I think it's a very
Speaker 4: close run thing. Actually, if anything, they have more dangerous players.
Speaker 4: I would say that, yeah, well are we better off
Speaker 4: just taking the old underdog's tag?
Speaker 2: We're fighting from behind, Wally. We always seem to have
Speaker 2: the underdog tag, even though we're playing pretty good Test
Speaker 2: match cricket at the moment. Are we better that way?
Speaker 5: Well? I think we are. But history sort of says
Speaker 5: that we'll be the underdog in many of these series
Speaker 5: because we deserve to be, and I think in this
Speaker 5: case the conditions are going to suit both teams a
Speaker 5: lot more than the cricket that they've played recently. However,
Speaker 5: I do agree with what Jeremy's saying. I think they
Speaker 5: may be slightly stronger in certain areas on pictures that
Speaker 5: might do a little bit for the seamers. And I
Speaker 5: think really we're still at a stage where we're we've
Speaker 5: at inexperienced in certain areas, and I think that the
Speaker 5: amount of cricket that the English team plays, the way
Speaker 5: that they've played an awful lot of cricket and this
Speaker 5: sort of these sort of conditions, I can't see us
Speaker 5: being the favorites.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll reflect on that in a moment. Also, the
Speaker 2: side that New Zealand has picked, but one of those
Speaker 2: that's in the side, of course is film Saudi, and
Speaker 2: I guess Saudi is finally faced up to the reality
Speaker 2: newest time was up and he will say goodbye to
Speaker 2: Test credit well, we think so anyway, unless you will
Speaker 2: get into the final of the World Test Championship that
Speaker 2: will be in Hamilton. But he knew his time was up.
Speaker 6: Just playing a gamp. His enm was an a dream country.
Speaker 6: So to do that at a young age was pretty special.
Speaker 6: And I guess to sit here and it's gone, it's
Speaker 6: going to string you quickly and set here and I
Speaker 6: guess in time of the next along you reflect more.
Speaker 6: But but it's just been been a great ride and
Speaker 6: there's there's still a little bit to go. But certainly
Speaker 6: didn't know it took that field in Nape. You didn't
Speaker 6: think we'll be sitting here seventeen years on, that's for sure.
Speaker 6: But it has just been a real privilege and a
Speaker 6: real honor to to to I guess fulfill a childhood
Speaker 6: dream and rips in our country. I guess you look
Speaker 6: at what's in front of you. And last year it
Speaker 6: was the one day we'll cup and we had to
Speaker 6: teach when he will cup. Earlier this year we had
Speaker 6: this this chunk of Test cricket, which I guess was
Speaker 6: all exciting parts along the last last twelve months and
Speaker 6: you sort of you're near the end of that that exciting,
Speaker 6: exciting part and you sort of look forward and you're like,
Speaker 6: you look at it and it's a marquee series against
Speaker 6: a great opposition, one obviously which started again against all
Speaker 6: those years ago, and and you sort of look at
Speaker 6: it and it feels feels right, one last chance at
Speaker 6: three grounds that have been been pretty good to me
Speaker 6: and and places I really love love playing it. So
Speaker 6: it's sort of, yeah, conversations with with close ones and
Speaker 6: and this is where we sort of landed. But yes,
Speaker 6: it's it's a tough decision, but I think it's the
Speaker 6: right one. Also, got some promising young bowlers coming through,
Speaker 6: which I've thoroughly enjoyed working alongside and and hopefully taught
Speaker 6: them a thing or two on the way, and and
Speaker 6: they've certainly taught me a thing a thing or two
Speaker 6: as well. Just so that's been been a pleasure and
Speaker 6: it's it's their time now to keep driving this team forward.
Speaker 2: Well, he's been a great seven for the game, Wally
Speaker 2: Tim Salvie. I mean, it's been a long career and
Speaker 2: I think now he probably has seen the writing on
Speaker 2: the wall, hasn't he.
Speaker 5: I think he probably has. And one of the things
Speaker 5: that really hit me when that that retirement and announcement
Speaker 5: came out, was you know, I'm going to play my
Speaker 5: last test in Hamilton, my home ground and New Zealand
Speaker 5: cricket of okay that and then what about the player
Speaker 5: who doesn't play at Hamilton because Saldi plays in his play?
Speaker 5: So are we actually I actually thought that Saudi had
Speaker 5: played his last test, to be honest and un necessarily
Speaker 5: think his record or anything. But I don't know that
Speaker 5: when you look at the number of players we have
Speaker 5: who have been in and out of the team, they're
Speaker 5: gaining experience, they're tool well, but they're not getting enough experience.
Speaker 5: I don't know that by the time that the Hamilton
Speaker 5: Test comes around that Tim Sowdy will be would be
Speaker 5: guaranteed of a place in the team. And I would
Speaker 5: hate to think that when you look back at it
Speaker 5: in ten years time, someone was given a game because
Speaker 5: it was a retirement game, and yet it's a test
Speaker 5: match what every player who plays cricket in New Zealand
Speaker 5: wants to attain at some stage. I'm not sure about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting that, Jerry, But that's the way things have
Speaker 2: done these days, isn't it.
Speaker 4: It seems well it shouldn't be, and we don't put
Speaker 4: test teams on the sentimentality, do we.
Speaker 3: I mean, Sowdy's probably.
Speaker 4: In New Zealand's best four seemas or five seamers while
Speaker 4: Jamison and Sears are injured, but as soon as they
Speaker 4: come back, I can't see him make that lineup at all.
Speaker 4: We all know Sawdy's past achievements, and that's really what
Speaker 4: we're sort of talking about at the moment, but we
Speaker 4: also know he's not quite that Saudi that we've known now.
Speaker 3: He's been a.
Speaker 4: Stalwart and a great foil with bolts, and he improved
Speaker 4: as he developed that outswing, of course, and using the
Speaker 4: crease and the wobble ball and.
Speaker 3: The three you know, he did those things.
Speaker 4: He used to nail Yorkers, and because he was tall,
Speaker 4: he had a short ball there for himself to use,
Speaker 4: and he worked players out and worked them over a bit,
Speaker 4: and he became a clever bowler, pulled them a bit
Speaker 4: wider of the stump's fine bowler, very accurate catcher in
Speaker 4: the outfield and in the slips. I got the impression
Speaker 4: he loved being in the New Zealand team too, and
Speaker 4: became pretty central to it. While with no more than
Speaker 4: that than me and set to finish second to Hadley
Speaker 4: in terms of wickets. I think, did I see somewhere
Speaker 4: he got too? He's got two hundred ode eyes and
Speaker 4: one hundred twenty wickets as well. Ye you know, he's
Speaker 4: adapted to the shorter formats. So he's been a great
Speaker 4: New Zealand cricketer. But it is you know, fifteen wickets
Speaker 4: in the last ten Tests that kind of doesn't you know,
Speaker 4: It sort of says that it's time.
Speaker 2: Yep. He did a great job when he was leading
Speaker 2: the attack seven hundred and seventy international wickets and he's
Speaker 2: been a great performer. Any special memories on what he achieved, well,
Speaker 2: I mean, I know there are a couple of very
Speaker 2: good bowling performances. I don't know that I can remember
Speaker 2: too many of his batting performances, although he did get
Speaker 2: sixty on on one of those Indian Tests which helped
Speaker 2: me with hell and win in that series.
Speaker 5: I just think he's someone who had a really mixed
Speaker 5: start with New Zealand team. He had issues of fitting
Speaker 5: into the group. The fact that you're now on tour
Speaker 5: and this is the behavior that's required, and that happens
Speaker 5: to a lot of people. I think he went through
Speaker 5: that ership quite quickly and he learned the lessons and
Speaker 5: therefore he started to develop a mind that could sort
Speaker 5: out his game and the game of the players he
Speaker 5: played against. And I think his career has been absolutely fantastic. However,
Speaker 5: I I want to go on about this too long,
Speaker 5: but I hope that Sam Wells and Gary Stead are
Speaker 5: still picking the best team when it comes to a
Speaker 5: Test match to fit the conditions and the team we
Speaker 5: play against. It's got to be the best team we
Speaker 5: can put on the park. Otherwise we deserve to be
Speaker 5: called the underdogs. If we're just saying well well done.
Speaker 5: It's been a long career and you two players. One's
Speaker 5: a bestment, one's a bowl you can play in the last. No,
Speaker 5: that's not the way Test cricket is. Test cricket is
Speaker 5: the top game you can ever play, and we've got
Speaker 5: to keep it that way.
Speaker 2: One of his best bowling performances, to my mind, came
Speaker 2: in Bangalore. I was lucky to see the performance in
Speaker 2: India seven for sixty four. Aside that they contained Pijara Coley,
Speaker 2: Dony Tindokal was on that team as well seven for
Speaker 2: sixty four and Bengalora is a pretty good achievement. The
Speaker 2: other one jury was at seven for thirty three. He
Speaker 2: took at Sky Stadium in Wellington in the World Cup
Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen against England and goes Southe.
Speaker 7: Then a good start for England is there and he
Speaker 7: bowls is bowling, Bell's bowled and airy drive. It was
Speaker 7: full and it's in the play around it a bit.
Speaker 7: Just as I was saying it's a good start for England,
Speaker 7: they lose their first wicket and then now eighteen for
Speaker 7: one is his pitch, mubbyl Yorker and mooween's out. Whoa wow,
Speaker 7: wow clean bowlder Yorka might have swung a little bit again.
Speaker 7: Itthing rather late on it to me.
Speaker 2: Seth again.
Speaker 3: One hundred and four for five.
Speaker 1: Taylor goes without scoring New Zealand flying in Wellington to.
Speaker 2: The bowling of Southey, and the teacher I'd got behind
Speaker 2: Land across the all just left him ever so slightly.
Speaker 2: There's a lovely delivery again from Southe. Here he is
Speaker 2: to Wokes and bowld five for Sauthe brilliant performance with
Speaker 2: the ball five for twenty six it's one hundred and
Speaker 2: ten for seven. Saudi bars to him and this one
Speaker 2: has him hitting towardsman Off and as Kyle caught by Vitty.
Speaker 2: That's six for Southey and again an unusual stroke. Vitri
Speaker 2: has made ground to his left. He's taken the catch
Speaker 2: and brought us on his way.
Speaker 7: Saudi again balls has edge and taking it slip. There's
Speaker 7: the seventh. I won a performance by Tim Saudi. This
Speaker 7: has been He's taken seven for thirty one the best
Speaker 7: figures buy a New Zealand to a one day international
Speaker 7: cricket and he's absolutely swepting a aside.
Speaker 4: Yeah that was that was Actually I think the game
Speaker 4: almost over before lunch and all the English medium of
Speaker 4: really hacked off. They might not get a lunch, but yeah,
Speaker 4: look one the first one you mentioned is the one
Speaker 4: that stands out for me because in Indian conditions on
Speaker 4: a surface that didn't suit him quite so well, he
Speaker 4: couldn't keep on swinging it. He had to find other
Speaker 4: ways to get good players out and to get seven
Speaker 4: for I think it was about seven for sixty odd
Speaker 4: or whatever. But he held the whole New Zealand bowling
Speaker 4: innings together. There look It's like any player, I mean,
Speaker 4: he's played over one hundred Tests. You're going to have
Speaker 4: some good ones wadds, and you're going to have some
Speaker 4: days that are not so good, of course, and you
Speaker 4: try and make your average days a little bit better,
Speaker 4: and you're always trying to push to keep going, and
Speaker 4: you know you're bound to have a few good days
Speaker 4: and so will. There will be lots of people listening
Speaker 4: to this to who'll be able to think of many
Speaker 4: more than I can right at the moment. But that's
Speaker 4: one I certainly remember thinking, boy, that's a very good
Speaker 4: bowling performance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you look back at the career in the earlier
Speaker 2: stages like twenty twelve, twenty thirteen and those years. In
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen he took thirty six Test wickets that year
Speaker 2: and played eight Tests. Now the contrast that to Jimmy Anderson,
Speaker 2: who actually played fourteen Test matches that year and took
Speaker 2: fifty odd Test wickets. And so you know, Saudi and
Speaker 2: the New Zealand bowlers probably come a distant second to
Speaker 2: many of those players with the opportunities they get.
Speaker 5: Wally, Yeah, that's exactly right. One thing that we mustn't
Speaker 5: forget is we look back on clicker as the past
Speaker 5: easier for old people like me. But the Hadley Chatfield,
Speaker 5: that sort of thing was that was a combination of people.
Speaker 5: I think sometimes we perhaps overlooked the fact that Saudi
Speaker 5: was quite quick to say, this doesn't suit me today.
Speaker 5: The work at taking doesn't suit me. The win's not
Speaker 5: in the right. I have to take a minor role
Speaker 5: for Trent, for Trent Bolt to take wickets. And I
Speaker 5: think that the number of times I've seen them play together,
Speaker 5: and I think they had an understanding of a really
Speaker 5: good understanding of whose day it was going to be,
Speaker 5: and the other player was quite accepting of the fact
Speaker 5: that he had to play more of a containing role.
Speaker 5: And I think I actually think that Tim Sowdy was
Speaker 5: very good at that throughout the latter part of his career. Well.
Speaker 2: That was an important part of any cricket side though,
Speaker 2: to have a bowling duo at the top and two
Speaker 2: guys that did compliment each other.
Speaker 4: Jerry, Oh yeah, I mean you challenge the different edges
Speaker 4: of the bat. They were different bowlers in a way.
Speaker 4: I thought Bolt was just slightly quicker.
Speaker 5: He perhaps.
Speaker 4: He provided a different angle, really, I mean, and Saudi
Speaker 4: did that by using the crease whilst staying over the wicket,
Speaker 4: and so so he found ways. And that was the
Speaker 4: thing I suppose about Southey Bolt I thought had just
Speaker 4: slightly he looked as if he could run through a
Speaker 4: team a little more quickly. But that's only me from
Speaker 4: you know, a distance watching. They both were terrific together.
Speaker 4: I think we just got to say that was great
Speaker 4: that they what a happy coincidence they came together themselves.
Speaker 4: But you're right about the It was right about the
Speaker 4: number of games that the Big three in particularly England play,
Speaker 4: and you were mentioning Anderson there as far as New
Speaker 4: Zealand and say that, you know, not the Big three
Speaker 4: are concerned. You know, the Big Three plus seventy one
Speaker 4: percent of their Test series our three Test match series
Speaker 4: and twenty nine percent are two Test match series. Ours
Speaker 4: are exactly the opposite, seventy one percent of two tests
Speaker 4: and twenty nine are three tests series. And well that's
Speaker 4: where we make our money when the Big threey come
Speaker 4: to town, isn't it, Which is precisely why we played
Speaker 4: so many two tests series. You know, three Test matches
Speaker 4: is a rarity. We're looking forward to it this particular time.
Speaker 4: Because our boards, you know, they you know they want
Speaker 4: to play just a two tests and then play a
Speaker 4: few short format matches.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a money it's a money issue.
Speaker 2: Well, getting back to your original point two, Wally about
Speaker 2: whether or not Sauthy should play Hamilton. What about in
Speaker 2: christych the first test coming up? He has led the attack.
Speaker 2: They've got a deck that I imagine will be made
Speaker 2: for seemas because spinners have been pushed a little bit
Speaker 2: to the background in terms of selection with Satna not
Speaker 2: being chosen there. But they've still got those who can
Speaker 2: turn the ball. But Henry O'Rourke and Sauvey, should that
Speaker 2: be our seam attack or does Nathan Smith to look.
Speaker 5: At well, I definitely have seen Nathan Smith a few
Speaker 5: times earlier on in his career, and I was nothing
Speaker 5: but impressed when I saw him and Alexander a couple
Speaker 5: of seasons ago. Seldom can you say this guy has
Speaker 5: got something special. He's an athlete. He runs in as
Speaker 5: if he's one hundred percent fit. He runs in with
Speaker 5: a rhythm that says, on my day, I can do
Speaker 5: special things. And I think it doesn't always happen. But
Speaker 5: I have seen him at his very best and I've thought,
Speaker 5: my word, this guy sometime is going to get an
Speaker 5: opportunity seldom given to a lot of other people. But
Speaker 5: it's possibly because he just looks athletic. You see a
Speaker 5: lot of fastball and you think, God, they're struggling to
Speaker 5: get to the picture. They struggle, they struggle to get
Speaker 5: into their rhythm. They really know this guy when he's
Speaker 5: on his day, he's got something special. And I think
Speaker 5: I'm not saying they should just keep chopping and changing
Speaker 5: these players, but we have done a wee bit of
Speaker 5: that in the last couple of seasons. We've had an
Speaker 5: awful lot of seeing Boulders play for New Zealand and
Speaker 5: never been seen again through injury and lack of form perhaps,
Speaker 5: But we've got to settle on someone soon to make
Speaker 5: that replacement. And I think he has every opportunity.
Speaker 2: For Seema's part times Betner, then for the Test match,
Speaker 2: do you see yeah?
Speaker 5: I think so. Well, we don't know that, we don't
Speaker 5: know what they're going to offer up and have the conditions,
Speaker 5: but we've got a fair idea that's not going to
Speaker 5: be what they've been playing on recently, so it is
Speaker 5: going to be a seam as sort of thing it
Speaker 5: may be, and I think you're heading towards that that maybe, well,
Speaker 5: who's the spin riff? There's only one? And also you've
Speaker 5: got to give the guys the opportunity. Those who have
Speaker 5: performed recently have surprised a lot.
Speaker 3: Of people a row.
Speaker 5: He's surprised a lot of people the way he seemed
Speaker 5: to claim an experienced head before his time, and I
Speaker 5: think that's fantastic. We can't give them a couple of
Speaker 5: games and throw them aside. We've got to start looking
Speaker 5: after what we've got. And yeah, I think we've got
Speaker 5: every opportunity of picking four really good seemas at the moment.
Speaker 4: But of a dilemma, Jerry, isn't it well that the selectors,
Speaker 4: I mean they've left Bracewell, Ajas, Patel and Sanna are
Speaker 4: out in this test, haven't they. It's going to be
Speaker 4: for seemas, isn't it. That's what they're basically saying. And
Speaker 4: the selectors are not going to fight nature and try
Speaker 4: to attempt to, you know, try and get Hagley over
Speaker 4: to turn aggressively.
Speaker 3: You can't. You can't just do that. So I would
Speaker 3: say it's a seam shootout.
Speaker 4: There's no or a swing shootout as well, So batsmen
Speaker 4: better gear up for that sort of those sorts of questions.
Speaker 4: I think, and you know, and I think if they're wise,
Speaker 4: they'll take that movement beyond the first innings, if they can,
Speaker 4: if we're good enough to do that, because you know,
Speaker 4: whether that's a little bit longer grass on it, whatever
Speaker 4: they feel they have to do. We want to have
Speaker 4: a chance to bowl at England and we don't want
Speaker 4: the toss to determine that. I mean, I'm talking about
Speaker 4: how do we beat England. We beat England by the
Speaker 4: ball moving. If we allow New Zealand pictures to get
Speaker 4: flat and for the English batsman to hit through the line.
Speaker 3: We'll get hit.
Speaker 4: I'm afraid that's it. That's what will happen. That's where
Speaker 4: their strength lies. And so movement is the key against England.
Speaker 4: I mean, they did it to us last time. If
Speaker 4: you remember, look at what they got eight hundred and
Speaker 4: twenty three for seven against Pakistan at five point five.
Speaker 4: That's where they like to dominate with them a different
Speaker 4: condition where it turns and it changes instead of batting
Speaker 4: for that length of time and Royal Pindi they batted
Speaker 4: for thirty seven overs in the second deck. They try,
Speaker 4: they have trouble when the ball is moving. So that's
Speaker 4: the sort of thing I think we should prepare and
Speaker 4: we are going to have to fight it out ourselves
Speaker 4: with our batsmen.
Speaker 3: That's the way we have to do it.
Speaker 2: That's interesting, Wally, because if that's the case and we
Speaker 2: use the Seamas, we're going to have to either have
Speaker 2: one of Phillips or a Vendra or else we don't
Speaker 2: pick will Young, So who is it out of the
Speaker 2: top six, Because you're going to have Blundle at seven.
Speaker 2: Who's going to miss out in the top six? With
Speaker 2: Williamson back in the side, I.
Speaker 5: Think it's really hard to tune around to will Young
Speaker 5: and say, you know, well done, that's fantastic, and we
Speaker 5: really think you've got a future and now you're not
Speaker 5: going to play. I think there's something we have to
Speaker 5: It's a funny thing with our psyche about the way
Speaker 5: we bat in a lot of these games, especially against
Speaker 5: the top three teams in the past, is that we
Speaker 5: go out to bat when we say two or three down,
Speaker 5: as if we have no confidence at the next player
Speaker 5: coming in. I think that's something that has really changed
Speaker 5: with the English team. I think they have the Australian
Speaker 5: approach of ten fifteen years ago, where it doesn't matter.
Speaker 5: They have one hundred percent confidence in the next player,
Speaker 5: so the next player can come out and play an
Speaker 5: attacking array of shots and say I'm going to take
Speaker 5: it to you. That's the way that that's the way
Speaker 5: that Obviously McCallum's got some influence, but that's the way
Speaker 5: they can play. I don't know that that really suits
Speaker 5: the way some of our players think. And I think
Speaker 5: that what worries me is we're either going to be
Speaker 5: really strong fighters at five six and seven or we've
Speaker 5: actually got to say, now hold on, we're better than that.
Speaker 5: We're going to continue with the way we want to play.
Speaker 5: I just think that we don't fight. It disappointed me
Speaker 5: schri Lanka obviously, but we didn't fight fight at all,
Speaker 5: and it was test cricket and I'm not saying that
Speaker 5: the huge result it was. It was inevitable that we
Speaker 5: were probably going to look but we could have fought
Speaker 5: harder and showed a wee bit more of that gritty
Speaker 5: determination that players have played with in the past. And
Speaker 5: it's one or the other. You can't you can't sort
Speaker 5: of expect one player to go out, Phillips in particular,
Speaker 5: and play this attacking role and on his day it's
Speaker 5: going to save It's not going to save things when
Speaker 5: he got two days to go. So you've got to
Speaker 5: We've got to either have the approach that we trust
Speaker 5: each other or we're going to fight harder. And I
Speaker 5: think that's a big thing for the New Zealand team
Speaker 5: going into the into the series with England.
Speaker 4: We will have time wall because of the way that
Speaker 4: England plays. They use time up, particularly with the bat,
Speaker 4: in order to bowl the opposition out. So time is
Speaker 4: available for the opposition if you're good enough, and we
Speaker 4: can use that time as we did. If you think
Speaker 4: in that second Test where we were held on to
Speaker 4: win by one run, our second innings went on and
Speaker 4: on and on and on for one hundred and sixty
Speaker 4: seven overs. If we're good enough, we can do that.
Speaker 4: As far as the question about Young, if christ Church
Speaker 4: is not going to turn and clearly the selectors don't
Speaker 4: think so, if it's necessary, do we need two part
Speaker 4: time spinners. So the question for me becomes who is
Speaker 4: the better batsman between Phillips and Young. Yes, Phillips bowls
Speaker 4: a few overs and can hit. He's done a very
Speaker 4: good job so far, particularly in India, did well. He
Speaker 4: feels well in the gully. That might be an area
Speaker 4: where the New Zealand might struggle to replicate. And he
Speaker 4: of course in the outfield. But Young, to my mind,
Speaker 4: should play and he can bat it three. Williamson can
Speaker 4: go four and they can all just slide down. Williams's
Speaker 4: bad at four before he's coming back. They can slide down.
Speaker 4: It's all slide down one. And so Mitchell ends up
Speaker 4: at six and Blundle seven the keeper, and then you
Speaker 4: have your four seemers, including Nathan Smith as the next
Speaker 4: one down at eight, and then your three bowlers. We
Speaker 4: haven't decided quite who those you know that triumvirate will be.
Speaker 4: But Young is unflustered. He showed he was confident. He
Speaker 4: defended accurately, He picked the deliveries to attack, He took
Speaker 4: his time, He didn't rush quite as much as the
Speaker 4: other New Zealand batsman who wanted to make a statement
Speaker 4: and get their runs before they were got out. I
Speaker 4: thought he's become and he's also become a very serviceable
Speaker 4: batpad and maybe can be to the seemers, which might
Speaker 4: be needed as well.
Speaker 3: So I personally think he handled Boomra well.
Speaker 4: He looked calm, He looked a test player to me,
Speaker 4: and I thought, you've sat on the sideline, you know,
Speaker 4: a sideline too long now, Son.
Speaker 2: That's a fair enough point too. So it looks like
Speaker 2: Ravendra might have to do some spin bowling out of
Speaker 2: the side that we will select, and we will have
Speaker 2: four seemers. We're interested to see what comes up from
Speaker 2: the pitch at Hagley.
Speaker 3: Brian Waddell Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 2: An intriguing issue came up during the first round of
Speaker 2: the Plunket Shield, the use of concussion substitutes in the
Speaker 2: domestic game. Not a post to them. I think they're
Speaker 2: important in terms of player safety, but for me, shouldn't
Speaker 2: they be like for like In one of the games,
Speaker 2: both wicket keepers needed substitute players concussion subs.
Speaker 3: One both chose.
Speaker 2: One chose to be replaced by another wicket keeper who
Speaker 2: didn't have concussion. The other thought they'd bring in another
Speaker 2: seam bowler, and so they put a seam bowler. I
Speaker 2: disagree with that. To my mind, it should be like
Speaker 2: for like how do you see it, Wally, I know.
Speaker 5: You're thinking like for like means if it's a wishy
Speaker 5: keeper who's injured, it must be a wikei keeper who
Speaker 5: comes in. But if you're taking a lot of plas,
Speaker 5: you can't do that in the first class. Well, we
Speaker 5: would Phillips fit in? Does he come in to if
Speaker 5: this even happened, would Phillips even replace a spin bowler
Speaker 5: or would he be a special fielder, would he be
Speaker 5: a wicket keeper? Would it be a guy who comes into.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know that you can sort of
Speaker 5: say like for like, because because most of these players
Speaker 5: are sort of what we might call multi challenged, they're
Speaker 5: all all round us these days. I don't even know
Speaker 5: if I agree with the replacement rule. I'm not even
Speaker 5: sure that that sits too well with me. I was
Speaker 5: even in the past sort of wondering why there was
Speaker 5: no runner, no replacement runner, and all those different things
Speaker 5: have happened, and you sort of thing, I don't know
Speaker 5: if it's necessary. I know the safety thing, and I
Speaker 5: know because of certain situations overseas in different games, everyone
Speaker 5: jumps on the bandwagon. But I don't know that we
Speaker 5: were getting overruled and we're changing things too quickly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know either. I would have thought in
Speaker 4: the first class team you only take twelve when you travel.
Speaker 4: I thought cost reasons would be a fairly good reason
Speaker 4: for that.
Speaker 8: Another plane, I see, do you okay another wicket keeper,
Speaker 8: but surely so a flight.
Speaker 4: From Otago Otago playing Auckland. Yeah, if you fly them
Speaker 4: all the way at to Auckland and back for a day.
Speaker 2: Well you have to. If you were like for like yeah,
Speaker 2: well do you not agree with theseus?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: I just think, I mean, well, if the cost is
Speaker 4: not an issue, I mean, it's a bit odd to
Speaker 4: have two keepers out.
Speaker 3: But however more, were they standing up what it was
Speaker 3: happening in this game?
Speaker 5: Weren't standing up what they got replaced?
Speaker 2: There was no spinners, hardly used. Thirty seven of the
Speaker 2: forty wickets that fell fell to seemers. So unless you
Speaker 2: were standing up to a seema either one of them,
Speaker 2: they would be standing back.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean I would have thought, at this stage, before Christmas,
Speaker 4: with the tracks a bit more grass on them, that
Speaker 4: most of the most of the twelfth Men would be
Speaker 4: seemers or a batsman. I mean it seems fairly speaking
Speaker 4: what I think are you saying?
Speaker 3: Are you saying.
Speaker 4: That if you bring another seama back in, I mean,
Speaker 4: if he's a keeper, he's a keeper, yep. But if
Speaker 4: you slide somebody else, like a batsman or a spin
Speaker 4: bowler into do the keeping, and you suddenly have an
Speaker 4: extra seema in your midst and he bowls, he starts
Speaker 4: bowling some overs and it freshens everybody up, or he
Speaker 4: takes one completely bowler out of the play because he's
Speaker 4: not bowling.
Speaker 3: Well, is that what you're complaining about.
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's one of the things that could happen.
Speaker 2: It could become a real roart for the So I look,
Speaker 2: we it's a fast bowler's pitch. We need another sema
Speaker 2: here just to rest our other seamers so that we
Speaker 2: can keep attacking the opposition.
Speaker 5: Are you're not sort of slightly biased thinking that there
Speaker 5: are too many of these rules coming into the game. Yes,
Speaker 5: I mean basically you would give the umpires something to
Speaker 5: do because they do very little and the matter ref Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's right. Those other people on we may have to
Speaker 5: bring someone else along as the replacement umpire, you know,
Speaker 5: sitting on the sideline saying you can have that keeper
Speaker 5: but not that keeper. Are we going to end up
Speaker 5: saying the guy was left handed who got injured, therefore
Speaker 5: he's got to be a left handed player who comes.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Can the umpires need a concussion substitute as well?
Speaker 3: Do they?
Speaker 4: Well they might do, But I think Whil's point is
Speaker 4: a rather interesting one. About a left hand and left
Speaker 4: arm bowler. Is the same thing in print Bot got injured.
Speaker 4: He's a left arm seema. You can't bring in a
Speaker 4: right arm seema. You've got to bring in a lifter.
Speaker 4: So it just goes on on forever, which it possibly
Speaker 4: will in the future.
Speaker 5: Don't worry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there is that possibility now. It's just it
Speaker 2: was just something I thought I would bring up because
Speaker 2: it was It was interesting to see that two Wicke
Speaker 2: keepers in fact needed substitutes. And you know, we're seeing
Speaker 2: players being checked every time they get hit on the helmet.
Speaker 2: They're getting check these days. They're going to change the
Speaker 2: helmet and then go and sit out in their period
Speaker 2: as the doctor comes on and sort of ask them
Speaker 2: questions about their private life that they don't want to answer.
Speaker 2: But I'm sure that there will be someone who can
Speaker 2: provide the answer that we require for that. We're running
Speaker 2: short of time, guys. There's a test match coming up
Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks. Lovely to have you back
Speaker 2: with us, Wally and adding your expertise. We look forward
Speaker 2: to perhaps hearing from you again, and you'll be doing
Speaker 2: a bit of work I think during some of the
Speaker 2: games during the summer, is that right?
Speaker 5: I will appear on one or two games. I'm looking
Speaker 5: forward to the test in christ Juge. We're having a reunion,
Speaker 5: yes on the team that beat England back in nineteen
Speaker 5: seventy eight and I had to look up the records
Speaker 5: of that game to find out who played. Obviously I
Speaker 5: have because I got invited, said I couldn't remember exactly
Speaker 5: what the team was, so I look forward to being
Speaker 5: at Hagley for the start of that game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, Wally. When we look forward to you and
Speaker 2: Jerry painting the town red in christ Church celebrating in
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy eighteen that Jerry didn't play for. But I'm
Speaker 2: sure you'll enjoy it all the same, Jerry went.
Speaker 3: You, Yeah, I will. No, I would have known most
Speaker 3: of the lads.
Speaker 4: In fact, I was down there for the nineteen seventy
Speaker 4: three reunion when Australia were down in christ Church and
Speaker 4: some of those players will still be there and they
Speaker 4: might be coming back. I mean, I think Rock Collins
Speaker 4: was in both those sides.
Speaker 2: Bold boycott out the second innings for a duck.
Speaker 8: That's it.
Speaker 3: That's the one.
Speaker 2: Just a couple of things before we go. Jerry at
Speaker 2: the moment to acknowledge the achievements of Frankie McKay in
Speaker 2: the women's game. During a recent match in the HBJA
Speaker 2: over the last weekend, she past the most number of
Speaker 2: runs in New Zealand women's domestic one day competition. She's
Speaker 2: been around a long while, one hundred and fifty two runs,
Speaker 2: so she's overtaken Amy Settithwaite and she's got those runs
Speaker 2: at forty six point eighty three. And through the same
Speaker 2: game she got the double most wickets in New Zealand
Speaker 2: women's domestic one day competition Craikie Becai's got one hundred
Speaker 2: and seventy six at twenty point one point seven. Well,
Speaker 2: you can enjoy those figures, Canta. It's a that's an
Speaker 2: outstanding achievement by someone who's really committed to the women's game,
Speaker 2: sure is.
Speaker 4: I mean she opens the batting for Canterbury, doesn't she
Speaker 4: as well? And she obviously enjoys being in the sick
Speaker 4: of the contest, doesn't she opening the batting and with
Speaker 4: her spin bowling. I think she probably would, you know,
Speaker 4: more than likely evolved in those power plays as well
Speaker 4: when the opposition went into bat So she's right in there.
Speaker 4: But more importantly, I think to play for that length
Speaker 4: of time for the same province, and she's been in
Speaker 4: and out of New Zealand sides, hasn't she.
Speaker 3: You'd know that better than I.
Speaker 4: But you know, very important to keep those experienced players
Speaker 4: through one generation to another and then perhaps even to another,
Speaker 4: so that you take on a kind of a position
Speaker 4: amongst the players where you know they gravitate, you know,
Speaker 4: the newer players gravitate to you. They listen to what
Speaker 4: you say, You pass on your accumulated knowledge, and that's
Speaker 4: very much part of a sporting team. I think the
Speaker 4: makeup of a side, you get different levels, and one
Speaker 4: of those levels is the experienced player who speaks sense,
Speaker 4: who doesn't allow things to get too carried away in
Speaker 4: the room, and those kinds of things I thinking out
Speaker 4: on the field as well, So well done Frankie McKay
Speaker 4: on the personal things that you've spoken about, but also
Speaker 4: the length of time that you've played for Canterbury as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, and of course she does a lot of
Speaker 2: commentary now and she's very much respected in terms of
Speaker 2: her opinion and understanding of the game. So a great achievement.
Speaker 2: We'll try and grab hold of Frankie and talk to
Speaker 2: her about a career at some stage, along with others.
Speaker 2: The other thing I wanted to talk was just we've
Speaker 2: had a couple of emails and one of them i'd
Speaker 2: like to acknowledge came from Darren Thanks for your last
Speaker 2: podcast regarding the series in the air. I know that
Speaker 2: I've bagged him in the past, but would like to
Speaker 2: say well done, Gary Stead and to the lads of
Speaker 2: the team having watched cricket since the eighties, the series
Speaker 2: was very very special. Just goes to show test cricket
Speaker 2: is not boring. Whereas when was the last T twenty
Speaker 2: you remember? Like comparing opera with a boy band and
Speaker 2: I think we can say amen to that. Jerry. He
Speaker 2: also through in a question a final question what is
Speaker 2: the best way forward with regards to Tom Blundell as
Speaker 2: a batsman. Well, I think we sort of covered that
Speaker 2: erea in the program to a certain extent. He's now
Speaker 2: likely about at seven. He's still there as a keeper.
Speaker 2: Had a few disappointing outcomes in that series, but it
Speaker 2: wasn't easy to keep working in India on that last tour,
Speaker 2: Darren says, his batting seems to have fallen away. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but he's there for his keeping and provided he can
Speaker 2: do that, I think we can accept some slip ups
Speaker 2: in the batting. I'm sure he's not happy with it
Speaker 2: and came back and played domestic crackerving got sixty for
Speaker 2: Wellington in the game that ended last weekend.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tom Blundell has you know, every player goes through
Speaker 4: difficult times.
Speaker 3: He has two skills.
Speaker 4: You know, he's an all rounder and keeping, certainly when
Speaker 4: you go to a place like India or Sri Lanka
Speaker 4: and the heat constantly up by the stumps, with the
Speaker 4: ball bouncing at different levels and turning different ways and
Speaker 4: unexpected turns, sometimes very difficult and to keep you know,
Speaker 4: clean sheet all the time. And the same when you
Speaker 4: go out to batwise you've got men all around the
Speaker 4: bat and you're against you know, quality spinners, so it's
Speaker 4: never easy to get starts. As you go in at
Speaker 4: number six or seven as he was, the spinners have
Speaker 4: already been on and got their spell going, and so
Speaker 4: they are in rhythm and you aren't. And you know,
Speaker 4: he got bold a few times, I think in India,
Speaker 4: and it was just a case of either making a
Speaker 4: good stride and playing but between where it pitched and
Speaker 4: your stumps. So if it's outside the off stump and
Speaker 4: you're not quite sure if it's going to go straight
Speaker 4: on or turn back in, you play between where it
Speaker 4: pitches and your stumps. And if it just goes straight on,
Speaker 4: that's fine, you can let that go. But you can't
Speaker 4: go out there with your hands. As you knows, you
Speaker 4: can't go out there with your hands and create a
Speaker 4: gap between your front pad and where your batter is.
Speaker 4: And because if it drops, as the course the spinners
Speaker 4: can do, they not only drift it, but they'd get
Speaker 4: it to drop as well. And it's a wee bit
Speaker 4: shorter than you think it'll turn back in between your
Speaker 4: bat and your pad, yep.
Speaker 2: And I only hope that he just puts that reverse
Speaker 2: sweep away for a little while as well, because that
Speaker 2: was a feeling. Well he can now I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: he'll play more orthodox now that he's back in the country.
Speaker 2: The start next week. Jerry, I'm sure you'll be almost
Speaker 2: packing your bag for Christs, won't you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll be getting close to it.
Speaker 3: Wadds. It's going to be an interesting series. I'm really
Speaker 3: looking forward to it. New Zealand will be feeling.
Speaker 4: Comfort and I think after coming from that that fantastic
Speaker 4: you know result over in India, and most of those
Speaker 4: players are being included in the squad. We've really only
Speaker 4: got a couple of change out. I mean there have
Speaker 4: been something. The spinners have been left out, haven't they really?
Speaker 4: But most of the rest, Yeah, most of the rest
Speaker 4: are there, so I hope they have it. I hope
Speaker 4: we have a really good series because it's our only
Speaker 4: tests this season, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Really? We don't get any more. Up to the Christmas English.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Barmie Army and the supporters will be there. We'll
Speaker 2: have a lot of fun and I'm sure we'll be
Speaker 2: memorable from both sides point of view.
Speaker 3: And I'll catch you. I'll catch you in Wellington. Yes, well,
Speaker 3: you'll be quite a big wig there. Won't you. You'll
Speaker 3: be a big wig.
Speaker 4: You'll be up there, up there, just drinking your G
Speaker 4: and t s with all the with all the highbrows.
Speaker 2: Yes, I might spend some time in the order room.
Speaker 4: With the with the fifth finger cocks and it's just
Speaker 4: so it's nice there and with your little cucumber semis.
Speaker 3: That would be lovely ones, be lovely to see you.
Speaker 3: Make sure I'm not there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like you. Everyone good.
Speaker 3: I take care of.
Speaker 2: Summer.
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