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Speaker 1: On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Coney,

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Speaker 2: Hello, nice to be back on the front foot with you.

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Speaker 2: The black Caps squad for the England series just adjusted

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Speaker 2: a little bit to suit conditions or is it his name?

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Speaker 2: During the week, sim Salvey ends his his career in Hamilton.

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Speaker 2: Is the concussion replacements rule in first past trick a fair?

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Speaker 2: And is England second favorite for the home series? Here,

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Speaker 2: as suggested last week by AGAs not too short? Do

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Speaker 2: we go in as favorites? Do we want to go

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Speaker 2: in as favorites? We've got Warren Lee's former New Zealand

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Speaker 2: coach and New Zealand week keeper and selector and everything else,

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Speaker 2: along with Jeremy Coney who we discussed these issues. Do

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Speaker 2: we go in as favorites?

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Speaker 4: Jerry, I wouldn't have said that as strongly as that was.

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Speaker 4: I know we've just come out of India very different conditions.

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Speaker 4: We're coming back to something that we know. England know

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Speaker 4: it as well, don't they. They will feel, I think,

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Speaker 4: I don't know whether they'll use their spinners too much.

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Speaker 4: They'll probably select show of bashir I think down in

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Speaker 4: the first Test. So look, I think it's a very

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Speaker 4: I would say that, yeah, well are we better off

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Speaker 4: just taking the old underdog's tag?

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Speaker 2: We're fighting from behind, Wally. We always seem to have

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Speaker 5: Well? I think we are. But history sort of says

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Speaker 5: because we deserve to be, and I think in this

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Speaker 5: I do agree with what Jeremy's saying. I think they

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Speaker 2: I guess Saudi is finally faced up to the reality

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Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting that, Jerry, But that's the way things have

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Speaker 4: It seems well it shouldn't be, and we don't put

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Speaker 4: We all know Sawdy's past achievements, and that's really what

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Speaker 3: He's been a.

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Speaker 2: Yep. He did a great job when he was leading

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Speaker 5: I just think he's someone who had a really mixed

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Speaker 2: One of his best bowling performances, to my mind, came

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Speaker 7: Then a good start for England is there and he

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Speaker 7: Just as I was saying it's a good start for England,

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Speaker 2: The bowling of Southey, and the teacher I'd got behind

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Speaker 2: There's a lovely delivery again from Southe. Here he is

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Speaker 2: ten for seven. Saudi bars to him and this one

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Speaker 4: We will have time wall because of the way that

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Speaker 4: England plays. They use time up, particularly with the bat,

433
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Speaker 4: in order to bowl the opposition out. So time is

434
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Speaker 4: available for the opposition if you're good enough, and we

435
00:24:02,973 --> 00:24:05,493
Speaker 4: can use that time as we did. If you think

436
00:24:05,973 --> 00:24:08,053
Speaker 4: in that second Test where we were held on to

437
00:24:08,093 --> 00:24:11,693
Speaker 4: win by one run, our second innings went on and

438
00:24:11,773 --> 00:24:13,613
Speaker 4: on and on and on for one hundred and sixty

439
00:24:13,653 --> 00:24:18,173
Speaker 4: seven overs. If we're good enough, we can do that.

440
00:24:19,093 --> 00:24:22,493
Speaker 4: As far as the question about Young, if christ Church

441
00:24:22,613 --> 00:24:26,053
Speaker 4: is not going to turn and clearly the selectors don't

442
00:24:26,133 --> 00:24:34,453
Speaker 4: think so, if it's necessary, do we need two part

443
00:24:34,573 --> 00:24:40,093
Speaker 4: time spinners. So the question for me becomes who is

444
00:24:40,133 --> 00:24:46,413
Speaker 4: the better batsman between Phillips and Young. Yes, Phillips bowls

445
00:24:46,453 --> 00:24:49,733
Speaker 4: a few overs and can hit. He's done a very

446
00:24:49,813 --> 00:24:54,053
Speaker 4: good job so far, particularly in India, did well. He

447
00:24:54,213 --> 00:24:56,453
Speaker 4: feels well in the gully. That might be an area

448
00:24:56,493 --> 00:25:00,293
Speaker 4: where the New Zealand might struggle to replicate. And he

449
00:25:00,453 --> 00:25:04,973
Speaker 4: of course in the outfield. But Young, to my mind,

450
00:25:05,133 --> 00:25:09,653
Speaker 4: should play and he can bat it three. Williamson can

451
00:25:09,733 --> 00:25:11,733
Speaker 4: go four and they can all just slide down. Williams's

452
00:25:11,733 --> 00:25:15,773
Speaker 4: bad at four before he's coming back. They can slide down.

453
00:25:16,533 --> 00:25:19,973
Speaker 4: It's all slide down one. And so Mitchell ends up

454
00:25:20,013 --> 00:25:23,613
Speaker 4: at six and Blundle seven the keeper, and then you

455
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Speaker 4: have your four seemers, including Nathan Smith as the next

456
00:25:29,213 --> 00:25:31,653
Speaker 4: one down at eight, and then your three bowlers. We

457
00:25:31,693 --> 00:25:35,093
Speaker 4: haven't decided quite who those you know that triumvirate will be.

458
00:25:35,213 --> 00:25:39,973
Speaker 4: But Young is unflustered. He showed he was confident. He

459
00:25:40,173 --> 00:25:45,693
Speaker 4: defended accurately, He picked the deliveries to attack, He took

460
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Speaker 4: his time, He didn't rush quite as much as the

461
00:25:48,773 --> 00:25:52,853
Speaker 4: other New Zealand batsman who wanted to make a statement

462
00:25:53,693 --> 00:25:56,733
Speaker 4: and get their runs before they were got out. I

463
00:25:57,013 --> 00:26:01,413
Speaker 4: thought he's become and he's also become a very serviceable

464
00:26:01,493 --> 00:26:06,053
Speaker 4: batpad and maybe can be to the seemers, which might

465
00:26:06,173 --> 00:26:07,093
Speaker 4: be needed as well.

466
00:26:07,733 --> 00:26:11,493
Speaker 3: So I personally think he handled Boomra well.

467
00:26:11,613 --> 00:26:16,053
Speaker 4: He looked calm, He looked a test player to me,

468
00:26:17,173 --> 00:26:21,573
Speaker 4: and I thought, you've sat on the sideline, you know,

469
00:26:21,613 --> 00:26:23,453
Speaker 4: a sideline too long now, Son.

470
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Speaker 2: That's a fair enough point too. So it looks like

471
00:26:26,613 --> 00:26:28,933
Speaker 2: Ravendra might have to do some spin bowling out of

472
00:26:29,373 --> 00:26:32,973
Speaker 2: the side that we will select, and we will have

473
00:26:33,253 --> 00:26:36,453
Speaker 2: four seemers. We're interested to see what comes up from

474
00:26:36,973 --> 00:26:39,213
Speaker 2: the pitch at Hagley.

475
00:26:39,053 --> 00:26:42,733
Speaker 3: Brian Waddell Jeremy Coney on the front foot.

476
00:26:43,413 --> 00:26:46,733
Speaker 2: An intriguing issue came up during the first round of

477
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Speaker 2: the Plunket Shield, the use of concussion substitutes in the

478
00:26:50,653 --> 00:26:53,253
Speaker 2: domestic game. Not a post to them. I think they're

479
00:26:53,253 --> 00:26:56,853
Speaker 2: important in terms of player safety, but for me, shouldn't

480
00:26:56,893 --> 00:26:59,053
Speaker 2: they be like for like In one of the games,

481
00:26:59,493 --> 00:27:05,933
Speaker 2: both wicket keepers needed substitute players concussion subs.

482
00:27:06,413 --> 00:27:07,573
Speaker 3: One both chose.

483
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Speaker 2: One chose to be replaced by another wicket keeper who

484
00:27:11,853 --> 00:27:15,053
Speaker 2: didn't have concussion. The other thought they'd bring in another

485
00:27:15,133 --> 00:27:17,973
Speaker 2: seam bowler, and so they put a seam bowler. I

486
00:27:18,133 --> 00:27:21,213
Speaker 2: disagree with that. To my mind, it should be like

487
00:27:21,693 --> 00:27:24,213
Speaker 2: for like how do you see it, Wally, I know.

488
00:27:24,333 --> 00:27:26,893
Speaker 5: You're thinking like for like means if it's a wishy

489
00:27:26,973 --> 00:27:29,093
Speaker 5: keeper who's injured, it must be a wikei keeper who

490
00:27:29,133 --> 00:27:31,453
Speaker 5: comes in. But if you're taking a lot of plas,

491
00:27:31,933 --> 00:27:35,133
Speaker 5: you can't do that in the first class. Well, we

492
00:27:35,253 --> 00:27:38,693
Speaker 5: would Phillips fit in? Does he come in to if

493
00:27:38,773 --> 00:27:42,453
Speaker 5: this even happened, would Phillips even replace a spin bowler

494
00:27:43,293 --> 00:27:45,733
Speaker 5: or would he be a special fielder, would he be

495
00:27:45,773 --> 00:27:48,253
Speaker 5: a wicket keeper? Would it be a guy who comes into.

496
00:27:48,413 --> 00:27:50,373
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know that you can sort of

497
00:27:50,453 --> 00:27:54,773
Speaker 5: say like for like, because because most of these players

498
00:27:54,813 --> 00:27:57,733
Speaker 5: are sort of what we might call multi challenged, they're

499
00:27:57,773 --> 00:28:01,853
Speaker 5: all all round us these days. I don't even know

500
00:28:01,973 --> 00:28:05,653
Speaker 5: if I agree with the replacement rule. I'm not even

501
00:28:05,813 --> 00:28:10,453
Speaker 5: sure that that sits too well with me. I was

502
00:28:10,573 --> 00:28:15,133
Speaker 5: even in the past sort of wondering why there was

503
00:28:15,493 --> 00:28:19,493
Speaker 5: no runner, no replacement runner, and all those different things

504
00:28:19,533 --> 00:28:21,653
Speaker 5: have happened, and you sort of thing, I don't know

505
00:28:21,693 --> 00:28:23,933
Speaker 5: if it's necessary. I know the safety thing, and I

506
00:28:24,053 --> 00:28:29,093
Speaker 5: know because of certain situations overseas in different games, everyone

507
00:28:29,253 --> 00:28:32,253
Speaker 5: jumps on the bandwagon. But I don't know that we

508
00:28:33,493 --> 00:28:37,773
Speaker 5: were getting overruled and we're changing things too quickly.

509
00:28:38,693 --> 00:28:41,413
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know either. I would have thought in

510
00:28:41,453 --> 00:28:44,013
Speaker 4: the first class team you only take twelve when you travel.

511
00:28:45,373 --> 00:28:47,893
Speaker 4: I thought cost reasons would be a fairly good reason

512
00:28:48,013 --> 00:28:48,213
Speaker 4: for that.

513
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Speaker 8: Another plane, I see, do you okay another wicket keeper,

514
00:28:58,333 --> 00:29:00,733
Speaker 8: but surely so a flight.

515
00:29:00,573 --> 00:29:05,733
Speaker 4: From Otago Otago playing Auckland. Yeah, if you fly them

516
00:29:05,733 --> 00:29:08,293
Speaker 4: all the way at to Auckland and back for a day.

517
00:29:09,373 --> 00:29:12,733
Speaker 2: Well you have to. If you were like for like yeah,

518
00:29:12,973 --> 00:29:15,693
Speaker 2: well do you not agree with theseus?

519
00:29:17,613 --> 00:29:17,813
Speaker 3: Well?

520
00:29:18,093 --> 00:29:23,133
Speaker 4: I just think, I mean, well, if the cost is

521
00:29:23,213 --> 00:29:25,173
Speaker 4: not an issue, I mean, it's a bit odd to

522
00:29:25,253 --> 00:29:26,213
Speaker 4: have two keepers out.

523
00:29:26,253 --> 00:29:31,653
Speaker 3: But however more, were they standing up what it was

524
00:29:31,693 --> 00:29:32,653
Speaker 3: happening in this game?

525
00:29:33,213 --> 00:29:35,453
Speaker 5: Weren't standing up what they got replaced?

526
00:29:38,213 --> 00:29:40,813
Speaker 2: There was no spinners, hardly used. Thirty seven of the

527
00:29:41,053 --> 00:29:44,493
Speaker 2: forty wickets that fell fell to seemers. So unless you

528
00:29:44,533 --> 00:29:46,973
Speaker 2: were standing up to a seema either one of them,

529
00:29:47,493 --> 00:29:48,693
Speaker 2: they would be standing back.

530
00:29:49,213 --> 00:29:49,573
Speaker 3: I don't know.

531
00:29:49,733 --> 00:29:52,853
Speaker 4: I mean I would have thought, at this stage, before Christmas,

532
00:29:52,933 --> 00:29:54,773
Speaker 4: with the tracks a bit more grass on them, that

533
00:29:54,893 --> 00:29:57,413
Speaker 4: most of the most of the twelfth Men would be

534
00:29:57,493 --> 00:30:01,733
Speaker 4: seemers or a batsman. I mean it seems fairly speaking

535
00:30:02,013 --> 00:30:03,733
Speaker 4: what I think are you saying?

536
00:30:04,333 --> 00:30:05,373
Speaker 3: Are you saying.

537
00:30:06,653 --> 00:30:10,173
Speaker 4: That if you bring another seama back in, I mean,

538
00:30:10,213 --> 00:30:13,573
Speaker 4: if he's a keeper, he's a keeper, yep. But if

539
00:30:13,653 --> 00:30:16,053
Speaker 4: you slide somebody else, like a batsman or a spin

540
00:30:16,133 --> 00:30:19,053
Speaker 4: bowler into do the keeping, and you suddenly have an

541
00:30:19,093 --> 00:30:23,133
Speaker 4: extra seema in your midst and he bowls, he starts

542
00:30:23,173 --> 00:30:28,013
Speaker 4: bowling some overs and it freshens everybody up, or he

543
00:30:28,173 --> 00:30:31,173
Speaker 4: takes one completely bowler out of the play because he's

544
00:30:31,213 --> 00:30:31,693
Speaker 4: not bowling.

545
00:30:31,773 --> 00:30:34,093
Speaker 3: Well, is that what you're complaining about.

546
00:30:34,893 --> 00:30:37,733
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's one of the things that could happen.

547
00:30:38,133 --> 00:30:40,733
Speaker 2: It could become a real roart for the So I look,

548
00:30:40,813 --> 00:30:44,013
Speaker 2: we it's a fast bowler's pitch. We need another sema

549
00:30:44,053 --> 00:30:46,333
Speaker 2: here just to rest our other seamers so that we

550
00:30:46,413 --> 00:30:47,853
Speaker 2: can keep attacking the opposition.

551
00:30:48,733 --> 00:30:53,013
Speaker 5: Are you're not sort of slightly biased thinking that there

552
00:30:53,053 --> 00:30:56,453
Speaker 5: are too many of these rules coming into the game. Yes,

553
00:30:56,493 --> 00:30:58,933
Speaker 5: I mean basically you would give the umpires something to

554
00:30:59,013 --> 00:31:02,453
Speaker 5: do because they do very little and the matter ref Yeah,

555
00:31:02,653 --> 00:31:06,133
Speaker 5: that's right. Those other people on we may have to

556
00:31:06,173 --> 00:31:11,253
Speaker 5: bring someone else along as the replacement umpire, you know,

557
00:31:11,373 --> 00:31:14,413
Speaker 5: sitting on the sideline saying you can have that keeper

558
00:31:14,493 --> 00:31:16,493
Speaker 5: but not that keeper. Are we going to end up

559
00:31:16,813 --> 00:31:21,893
Speaker 5: saying the guy was left handed who got injured, therefore

560
00:31:21,933 --> 00:31:23,813
Speaker 5: he's got to be a left handed player who comes.

561
00:31:24,213 --> 00:31:24,573
Speaker 5: I don't know.

562
00:31:26,013 --> 00:31:28,733
Speaker 2: Can the umpires need a concussion substitute as well?

563
00:31:28,813 --> 00:31:29,053
Speaker 3: Do they?

564
00:31:29,453 --> 00:31:32,733
Speaker 4: Well they might do, But I think Whil's point is

565
00:31:32,773 --> 00:31:35,013
Speaker 4: a rather interesting one. About a left hand and left

566
00:31:35,133 --> 00:31:39,893
Speaker 4: arm bowler. Is the same thing in print Bot got injured.

567
00:31:39,933 --> 00:31:42,893
Speaker 4: He's a left arm seema. You can't bring in a

568
00:31:43,053 --> 00:31:45,533
Speaker 4: right arm seema. You've got to bring in a lifter.

569
00:31:45,893 --> 00:31:48,773
Speaker 4: So it just goes on on forever, which it possibly

570
00:31:48,813 --> 00:31:49,533
Speaker 4: will in the future.

571
00:31:49,613 --> 00:31:50,093
Speaker 5: Don't worry.

572
00:31:50,773 --> 00:31:54,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there is that possibility now. It's just it

573
00:31:54,213 --> 00:31:56,613
Speaker 2: was just something I thought I would bring up because

574
00:31:56,733 --> 00:32:00,133
Speaker 2: it was It was interesting to see that two Wicke

575
00:32:00,293 --> 00:32:03,613
Speaker 2: keepers in fact needed substitutes. And you know, we're seeing

576
00:32:03,693 --> 00:32:05,893
Speaker 2: players being checked every time they get hit on the helmet.

577
00:32:06,853 --> 00:32:08,773
Speaker 2: They're getting check these days. They're going to change the

578
00:32:08,813 --> 00:32:11,693
Speaker 2: helmet and then go and sit out in their period

579
00:32:12,373 --> 00:32:14,733
Speaker 2: as the doctor comes on and sort of ask them

580
00:32:15,053 --> 00:32:18,813
Speaker 2: questions about their private life that they don't want to answer.

581
00:32:19,613 --> 00:32:23,013
Speaker 2: But I'm sure that there will be someone who can

582
00:32:23,093 --> 00:32:27,493
Speaker 2: provide the answer that we require for that. We're running

583
00:32:27,533 --> 00:32:31,893
Speaker 2: short of time, guys. There's a test match coming up

584
00:32:32,053 --> 00:32:34,213
Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks. Lovely to have you back

585
00:32:34,253 --> 00:32:40,333
Speaker 2: with us, Wally and adding your expertise. We look forward

586
00:32:40,373 --> 00:32:43,413
Speaker 2: to perhaps hearing from you again, and you'll be doing

587
00:32:43,413 --> 00:32:44,893
Speaker 2: a bit of work I think during some of the

588
00:32:44,973 --> 00:32:46,693
Speaker 2: games during the summer, is that right?

589
00:32:48,053 --> 00:32:51,133
Speaker 5: I will appear on one or two games. I'm looking

590
00:32:51,213 --> 00:32:54,333
Speaker 5: forward to the test in christ Juge. We're having a reunion,

591
00:32:55,253 --> 00:32:59,013
Speaker 5: yes on the team that beat England back in nineteen

592
00:32:59,013 --> 00:33:03,733
Speaker 5: seventy eight and I had to look up the records

593
00:33:03,773 --> 00:33:06,613
Speaker 5: of that game to find out who played. Obviously I

594
00:33:06,773 --> 00:33:10,653
Speaker 5: have because I got invited, said I couldn't remember exactly

595
00:33:10,693 --> 00:33:12,933
Speaker 5: what the team was, so I look forward to being

596
00:33:12,973 --> 00:33:15,373
Speaker 5: at Hagley for the start of that game.

597
00:33:16,533 --> 00:33:18,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, Wally. When we look forward to you and

598
00:33:18,773 --> 00:33:23,053
Speaker 2: Jerry painting the town red in christ Church celebrating in

599
00:33:23,133 --> 00:33:26,613
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy eighteen that Jerry didn't play for. But I'm

600
00:33:26,653 --> 00:33:30,053
Speaker 2: sure you'll enjoy it all the same, Jerry went.

601
00:33:30,013 --> 00:33:33,213
Speaker 3: You, Yeah, I will. No, I would have known most

602
00:33:33,253 --> 00:33:33,893
Speaker 3: of the lads.

603
00:33:34,213 --> 00:33:37,373
Speaker 4: In fact, I was down there for the nineteen seventy

604
00:33:37,493 --> 00:33:41,933
Speaker 4: three reunion when Australia were down in christ Church and

605
00:33:42,813 --> 00:33:44,693
Speaker 4: some of those players will still be there and they

606
00:33:44,773 --> 00:33:47,693
Speaker 4: might be coming back. I mean, I think Rock Collins

607
00:33:48,173 --> 00:33:49,373
Speaker 4: was in both those sides.

608
00:33:50,373 --> 00:33:52,573
Speaker 2: Bold boycott out the second innings for a duck.

609
00:33:52,813 --> 00:33:53,093
Speaker 8: That's it.

610
00:33:53,613 --> 00:33:54,213
Speaker 3: That's the one.

611
00:33:55,613 --> 00:33:58,733
Speaker 2: Just a couple of things before we go. Jerry at

612
00:33:58,773 --> 00:34:02,413
Speaker 2: the moment to acknowledge the achievements of Frankie McKay in

613
00:34:02,533 --> 00:34:05,613
Speaker 2: the women's game. During a recent match in the HBJA

614
00:34:06,013 --> 00:34:11,293
Speaker 2: over the last weekend, she past the most number of

615
00:34:11,453 --> 00:34:15,613
Speaker 2: runs in New Zealand women's domestic one day competition. She's

616
00:34:15,653 --> 00:34:19,893
Speaker 2: been around a long while, one hundred and fifty two runs,

617
00:34:20,613 --> 00:34:24,053
Speaker 2: so she's overtaken Amy Settithwaite and she's got those runs

618
00:34:24,093 --> 00:34:27,053
Speaker 2: at forty six point eighty three. And through the same

619
00:34:27,493 --> 00:34:30,973
Speaker 2: game she got the double most wickets in New Zealand

620
00:34:31,173 --> 00:34:34,893
Speaker 2: women's domestic one day competition Craikie Becai's got one hundred

621
00:34:34,893 --> 00:34:38,373
Speaker 2: and seventy six at twenty point one point seven. Well,

622
00:34:38,533 --> 00:34:42,013
Speaker 2: you can enjoy those figures, Canta. It's a that's an

623
00:34:42,053 --> 00:34:45,133
Speaker 2: outstanding achievement by someone who's really committed to the women's game,

624
00:34:46,173 --> 00:34:46,653
Speaker 2: sure is.

625
00:34:47,493 --> 00:34:49,893
Speaker 4: I mean she opens the batting for Canterbury, doesn't she

626
00:34:50,533 --> 00:34:54,173
Speaker 4: as well? And she obviously enjoys being in the sick

627
00:34:54,253 --> 00:34:57,053
Speaker 4: of the contest, doesn't she opening the batting and with

628
00:34:57,173 --> 00:35:00,293
Speaker 4: her spin bowling. I think she probably would, you know,

629
00:35:00,693 --> 00:35:04,453
Speaker 4: more than likely evolved in those power plays as well

630
00:35:04,533 --> 00:35:08,093
Speaker 4: when the opposition went into bat So she's right in there.

631
00:35:09,493 --> 00:35:12,653
Speaker 4: But more importantly, I think to play for that length

632
00:35:12,733 --> 00:35:16,653
Speaker 4: of time for the same province, and she's been in

633
00:35:16,733 --> 00:35:18,533
Speaker 4: and out of New Zealand sides, hasn't she.

634
00:35:18,653 --> 00:35:19,813
Speaker 3: You'd know that better than I.

635
00:35:20,053 --> 00:35:27,533
Speaker 4: But you know, very important to keep those experienced players

636
00:35:28,693 --> 00:35:33,133
Speaker 4: through one generation to another and then perhaps even to another,

637
00:35:33,333 --> 00:35:37,893
Speaker 4: so that you take on a kind of a position

638
00:35:38,533 --> 00:35:44,213
Speaker 4: amongst the players where you know they gravitate, you know,

639
00:35:44,693 --> 00:35:47,413
Speaker 4: the newer players gravitate to you. They listen to what

640
00:35:47,573 --> 00:35:52,653
Speaker 4: you say, You pass on your accumulated knowledge, and that's

641
00:35:52,893 --> 00:35:57,573
Speaker 4: very much part of a sporting team. I think the

642
00:35:57,693 --> 00:36:02,333
Speaker 4: makeup of a side, you get different levels, and one

643
00:36:02,413 --> 00:36:06,893
Speaker 4: of those levels is the experienced player who speaks sense,

644
00:36:07,413 --> 00:36:10,773
Speaker 4: who doesn't allow things to get too carried away in

645
00:36:10,893 --> 00:36:13,453
Speaker 4: the room, and those kinds of things I thinking out

646
00:36:13,493 --> 00:36:16,053
Speaker 4: on the field as well, So well done Frankie McKay

647
00:36:16,533 --> 00:36:20,653
Speaker 4: on the personal things that you've spoken about, but also

648
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Speaker 4: the length of time that you've played for Canterbury as well.

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, and of course she does a lot of

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Speaker 2: commentary now and she's very much respected in terms of

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Speaker 2: her opinion and understanding of the game. So a great achievement.

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Speaker 2: We'll try and grab hold of Frankie and talk to

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Speaker 2: her about a career at some stage, along with others.

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Speaker 2: The other thing I wanted to talk was just we've

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Speaker 2: had a couple of emails and one of them i'd

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Speaker 2: like to acknowledge came from Darren Thanks for your last

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Speaker 2: podcast regarding the series in the air. I know that

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Speaker 2: I've bagged him in the past, but would like to

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Speaker 2: say well done, Gary Stead and to the lads of

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Speaker 2: the team having watched cricket since the eighties, the series

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Speaker 2: was very very special. Just goes to show test cricket

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Speaker 2: is not boring. Whereas when was the last T twenty

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Speaker 2: you remember? Like comparing opera with a boy band and

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Speaker 2: I think we can say amen to that. Jerry. He

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Speaker 2: also through in a question a final question what is

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Speaker 2: the best way forward with regards to Tom Blundell as

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Speaker 2: a batsman. Well, I think we sort of covered that

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Speaker 2: erea in the program to a certain extent. He's now

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Speaker 2: likely about at seven. He's still there as a keeper.

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Speaker 2: Had a few disappointing outcomes in that series, but it

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Speaker 2: wasn't easy to keep working in India on that last tour,

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Speaker 2: Darren says, his batting seems to have fallen away. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but he's there for his keeping and provided he can

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Speaker 2: do that, I think we can accept some slip ups

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Speaker 2: in the batting. I'm sure he's not happy with it

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Speaker 2: and came back and played domestic crackerving got sixty for

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Speaker 2: Wellington in the game that ended last weekend.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Tom Blundell has you know, every player goes through

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Speaker 4: difficult times.

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Speaker 3: He has two skills.

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Speaker 4: You know, he's an all rounder and keeping, certainly when

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Speaker 4: you go to a place like India or Sri Lanka

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Speaker 4: and the heat constantly up by the stumps, with the

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Speaker 4: ball bouncing at different levels and turning different ways and

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Speaker 4: unexpected turns, sometimes very difficult and to keep you know,

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Speaker 4: clean sheet all the time. And the same when you

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Speaker 4: go out to batwise you've got men all around the

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Speaker 4: bat and you're against you know, quality spinners, so it's

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Speaker 4: never easy to get starts. As you go in at

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Speaker 4: number six or seven as he was, the spinners have

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Speaker 4: already been on and got their spell going, and so

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Speaker 4: they are in rhythm and you aren't. And you know,

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Speaker 4: he got bold a few times, I think in India,

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Speaker 4: and it was just a case of either making a

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Speaker 4: good stride and playing but between where it pitched and

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Speaker 4: your stumps. So if it's outside the off stump and

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Speaker 4: you're not quite sure if it's going to go straight

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Speaker 4: on or turn back in, you play between where it

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Speaker 4: pitches and your stumps. And if it just goes straight on,

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Speaker 4: that's fine, you can let that go. But you can't

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Speaker 4: go out there with your hands. As you knows, you

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Speaker 4: can't go out there with your hands and create a

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Speaker 4: gap between your front pad and where your batter is.

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Speaker 4: And because if it drops, as the course the spinners

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Speaker 4: can do, they not only drift it, but they'd get

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Speaker 4: it to drop as well. And it's a wee bit

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Speaker 4: shorter than you think it'll turn back in between your

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Speaker 4: bat and your pad, yep.

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Speaker 2: And I only hope that he just puts that reverse

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Speaker 2: sweep away for a little while as well, because that

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Speaker 2: was a feeling. Well he can now I think, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he'll play more orthodox now that he's back in the country.

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Speaker 2: The start next week. Jerry, I'm sure you'll be almost

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Speaker 2: packing your bag for Christs, won't you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll be getting close to it.

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Speaker 3: Wadds. It's going to be an interesting series. I'm really

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Speaker 3: looking forward to it. New Zealand will be feeling.

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Speaker 4: Comfort and I think after coming from that that fantastic

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Speaker 4: you know result over in India, and most of those

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Speaker 4: players are being included in the squad. We've really only

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Speaker 4: got a couple of change out. I mean there have

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Speaker 4: been something. The spinners have been left out, haven't they really?

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Speaker 4: But most of the rest, Yeah, most of the rest

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Speaker 4: are there, so I hope they have it. I hope

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Speaker 4: we have a really good series because it's our only

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Speaker 4: tests this season, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Really? We don't get any more. Up to the Christmas English.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Barmie Army and the supporters will be there. We'll

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Speaker 2: have a lot of fun and I'm sure we'll be

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Speaker 2: memorable from both sides point of view.

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Speaker 3: And I'll catch you. I'll catch you in Wellington. Yes, well,

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Speaker 3: you'll be quite a big wig there. Won't you. You'll

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Speaker 3: be a big wig.

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Speaker 4: You'll be up there, up there, just drinking your G

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Speaker 4: and t s with all the with all the highbrows.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I might spend some time in the order room.

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Speaker 4: With the with the fifth finger cocks and it's just

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Speaker 4: so it's nice there and with your little cucumber semis.

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Speaker 3: That would be lovely ones, be lovely to see you.

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Speaker 3: Make sure I'm not there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like you. Everyone good.

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Speaker 3: I take care of.

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Speaker 2: Summer.

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