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Speaker 1: Now the government's back down on its plan to lift

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Speaker 1: the ban on the live animal exports. The NATS wanted

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Speaker 1: to do this, but they couldn't get it past cabinet.

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Speaker 1: Carl den Is, the Federated Farmer's Dairy chairman and with us.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Carl, Oh, good evening here.

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Speaker 1: How good it are you by this?

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Speaker 2: Oh? We're very disappointed that, to be honest, But I

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Speaker 2: suppose it's not surprising given the lack of appetite. There

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Speaker 2: was a from the coalition partners to push it through,

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Speaker 2: but also the moment the opposition I came out and

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Speaker 2: said we're not going to have a bar of it,

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Speaker 2: no matter how good you make it for animal health

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Speaker 2: and welfare. They don't want a bar of live exports.

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Speaker 2: So it's just politics.

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Speaker 1: So was it though? Because it was part of the

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Speaker 1: National Party and act coalition agreements. So can we assume

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Speaker 1: their New Zealand first was the problem here?

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Speaker 2: I believe that it's more of the fact that it's

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Speaker 2: probably not high on the priority list in politics, actors

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Speaker 2: that it would be very seldom to go and make

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Speaker 2: a decision and expect a commercial interest to build us

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Speaker 2: a nice, fancy, state of the art boat. Because it

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Speaker 2: was going to be a gold standard, new one for

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Speaker 2: the world, only for the oppositional labor to be hanging

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Speaker 2: over the head of a giant gauntlet saying, well, if

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Speaker 2: we get back in, it's gone. Yeah, it was how

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Speaker 2: long it takes to make fairies. It was never going

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Speaker 2: to work.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's a low blow, but it's a fair one, Carl.

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Speaker 1: Do you think part of the problem here as well

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Speaker 1: is that you kind of snook it a bit politically

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Speaker 1: if you're a farmer, because they can afford to break

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Speaker 1: a promise to you, guys. It's not as if you're

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Speaker 1: going to pack a tantrum and go vote for the

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Speaker 1: other side because the other side is a bit nutty.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it is that you are bang on

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Speaker 2: the money there. At the end of the day, the

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Speaker 2: majority of New Zealanders that live in the cities, this

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Speaker 2: didn't really affect them. It's not going to be one

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Speaker 2: that's going to cost them huge amount of votes that

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Speaker 2: they need to be right now. But it will cost

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Speaker 2: the New Zealand economy. You know, this was half a

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Speaker 2: billion dollar trade before it was banned. We've seen the

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Speaker 2: American market for beef got gangbusters in the last two years.

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Speaker 2: We're missing out on that at the moment, the ability

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Speaker 2: to help rebuild the American herd through sending breeding animals there.

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Speaker 2: So it is money being sucked up by other economies

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Speaker 2: like Australia at.

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Speaker 1: The moment, Carl, do you think this is the end

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Speaker 1: of the road for this discussion in New Zealand, Like,

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Speaker 1: if you go to an election twenty twenty six and

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Speaker 1: it's not overturned, the ban will be forever in place.

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Speaker 2: I think we're now getting to a point where it

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Speaker 2: has been already in place for five years now. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be pretty hard to build up any

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Speaker 2: capacity going forward. If it did get overturned. There was

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Speaker 2: a big industry behind it that's very much now diminished.

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Speaker 2: The international players they've gone elsewhere, you know, they've gone

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Speaker 2: to Australia, They've gone to other countries around the world

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Speaker 2: for those breeding animals for export. So even if we

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Speaker 2: did get back today, it would probably be a good

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Speaker 2: week while before we got the trade back to where

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Speaker 2: it was.

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Speaker 1: Carl, it's good to talk to you, Thanks very much mate,

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