1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Souderby's International Realty, Unique Homes, 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Uniquely for You, The. 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 2: Huddle with Me this evening. Ali Jones have read pr 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 2: and David Faraki we blog and Curiapolster. 5 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: How are you two? 6 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 3: Hello? 7 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 4: Good a Ali? 8 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: David Seymour mounted a pretty good argument there, didn't They no. 9 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 4: A predictable speaking in sound bike things I could put 10 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 4: on a T shirt or a bumper sticker. You know, 11 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,159 Speaker 4: I'm sick of hearing him say things like, oh, you know, 12 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 4: we're not saving this money, We're not necessarily delivering things better. 13 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 4: What the hell does that mean? He has to start 14 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 4: giving real examples and some of the things he did 15 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 4: actually say as an example, for you know, he mentioned 16 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 4: pay equity. We saved so many billions here. So it's 17 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 4: what mister Seymour's got to remember is for many of us, 18 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 4: and I wouldn't say that I'm one way or the 19 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 4: other polifically, for many of us, it is not about 20 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 4: the multiple billions that you save, mister Seymour. It's actually 21 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 4: what it does to people, what it does to communities, 22 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 4: and it doesn't always have to have a dollar figure 23 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 4: on it. They are not thinking of the outcomes. They 24 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 4: are not thinking about the consequences. They are just scorching, 25 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 4: slashing and burning and saying this is what we've saved. 26 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 4: And I, for one, I'm sick of it. 27 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: Well, I would like to see more savings. 28 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: David. 29 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 2: I don't think there's enough at all. And I just 30 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: wonder how long he can carry on blaming national in 31 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 2: Nicoler without himself being blamed for failing to deliver. 32 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, what was what Ali said? I don't if only 33 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 3: their head beats some slashing and burning. I think you've 34 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 3: had some mild truoning. 35 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 4: Oh they're getting rid of those pay equity claims. Getting 36 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 4: rid of those pay equity claims was a slash and burn. 37 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 4: That was getting rid of years of good faith bargaining 38 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 4: in order to get money to put into the budget. 39 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 4: I'll be quite now because I know you've got to have. 40 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: You say that. 41 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 4: That is definitely a slash and burn. 42 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 3: But what I said about outcomes is we have to 43 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 3: remember the last government increase spending by fifty percent and 44 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 3: almost every social indicator got worse, education, how you name it. 45 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 3: But I'm on David's side that they should cut more, 46 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 3: and there's probably a lost opportunity because look, when you 47 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 3: come into government, cutting things will always create linsens and 48 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 3: if you do too much about it, like Kirstarmagin in 49 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 3: the UK, you've become deeply, deeply unpopular. So what they 50 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 3: hope they'd be able to do is cut the low 51 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 3: hanging fruit that won't cause too much for lessal pain, 52 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,679 Speaker 3: and the economy would grow enough to get back into surplus. 53 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 3: That's looking a tough call now because basically the comedy 54 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 3: is not quite great enough. So in hindsight, of course, 55 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 3: time that's unful. There should have been probably bigger cats 56 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 3: than that first twelve months when you've got that sort 57 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 3: of mandate almost from the public to say, lot, we 58 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 3: voted you guys. Hindsight, it's a wonderful thing. 59 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it totally is. Ellie, are you going to tell 60 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: everybody how much you get? Well, not everybody, but are 61 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 2: you going to tell you colleagues how much you are in? 62 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 3: Now? No? 63 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 4: But you know I can if I want to, you know, 64 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 4: And I think that's what this is about, and it's 65 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 4: probably not so much about me telling other people or 66 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 4: other people telling me. I think what this has done 67 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 4: is actually given some visibility to the issue. So we 68 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 4: know that the problem they're trying to fix here is 69 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 4: pay parity. You know, how do we know what's going 70 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 4: on if we can't actually see what people are being 71 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 4: paid and what they're earning, all that they have the 72 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 4: right to say what they're being paid or what they're earning. 73 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 4: I also think there's another part of this too. I 74 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 4: know people who are on minimum wage, not living wage. 75 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 4: These are mature people and businesses that are doing really well. 76 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 4: These are mature people with a lot of intelligence and 77 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 4: qualifications and education, but they're on not even a living wage. Now, 78 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 4: if I think if people knew which businesses were doing this, 79 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 4: if there was some visibility of that, people would choose 80 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 4: where to be a customer. And I think that's another 81 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 4: thing that might come out with this as well. 82 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: Do you like this, David, I'm quite a fan of 83 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: this at the law. 84 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, I don't think it should be illegal for 85 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 3: people to be able to talk to each other about 86 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 3: what they're paid and something you have put an employ 87 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 3: it contract. I think you'll still find a lot of 88 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 3: people won't want to talk about because it can lead 89 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 3: to uncomfortable conversations. Oh, they're paid four thousand more. I've 90 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 3: been here longer. Does that mean they don't bear you 91 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 3: me or it's secret. I think a lot of people 92 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 3: not want to talk about what they're paid. But lot, 93 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 3: if you want to be able to go up to 94 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 3: your mate and say, like, hang up for the pay 95 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 3: round and I'm not sure that they're paying me enough, 96 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 3: go for it. You should be able to see what 97 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,239 Speaker 3: the others are paid and that helps you make your case. 98 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty the Ones 99 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: for Unmassed results. 100 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 2: Back on the Huddle, David Farrer and Allie Jones. David, 101 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 2: do you agree with the Police Commissioner that we are 102 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 2: being far too gloomy about New Zealand and actually we 103 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 2: should be very grateful to be in such a great place. 104 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 3: I do, partly because I've just been looking at being 105 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 3: the Queen Charlotte Track in the last couple of days, 106 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 3: and as I look at these fohos of the most 107 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 3: amazing scenery watch people around the world would die for, 108 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 3: that does remind me. Yes, we have economic challenges, but 109 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 3: there's not New Zealand's is the place to be. Yeah. 110 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: The totally is what do you reckon? Ellie? Yeah? 111 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 4: Look, but I'm not gonna apologize for it. I think 112 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 4: we're very privileged, right David. I mean there are people 113 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 4: who just can't. I meet a woman the other day 114 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 4: who's had to tell her five year old grandson that 115 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 4: they don't bake anymore just because they're too busy. The 116 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 4: reason she can't bake anymore if she can't afford to 117 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 4: buy butter. And I know that that's not a major either. 118 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 4: She's firt, she's well, she's able to put food on 119 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 4: the table. But the scene a on the Queen Charlotte 120 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 4: track is great, and yes, we do live in a 121 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,679 Speaker 4: wonderful country, but we can't expect everyone to give credit 122 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 4: with credits due when they are dealing with really serious 123 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,559 Speaker 4: day to day issues like the cost of living. 124 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 2: Yeah it is. I mean we don't want to be 125 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 2: pollyannaish about it, do we. I mean, there are some 126 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: difficult things that are going on right now, Alie, four people, 127 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 2: and it's really hard to make ends. But this will 128 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: get better, whereas a place like Europe has probably got years, 129 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: if not decades of trouble ahead of them. 130 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 131 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 4: Look, no, you're right here there. And that whole thing 132 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 4: about gratitude, we really do have to practice that a 133 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 4: little bit more. You know, I do think we've been 134 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 4: a bit of a country of tall poppies and looking 135 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 4: at the glass half empty. You know, you do hear 136 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 4: of headlines like New Zealand missed the Gold, when in 137 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 4: fact the headlines should be New Zealand winds silver. So 138 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 4: you know, I think there are ways that we can 139 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 4: be approaching things that are a bit more positive than 140 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 4: we currently have perhaps. 141 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 2: So now, David, what do you make of this business 142 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 2: with the leftovers and having to basically sign a waiver 143 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 2: before you can take your leftovers away? 144 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 3: Look, you're just crazy. I mean what does sign the 145 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 3: waiver do anyway? If you actually have poisoned the food, 146 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 3: that's not going to preteat you. But if you haven't 147 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 3: poisoned it, you're fine. I mean, has anyone ever actually 148 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,559 Speaker 3: gotten too trouble by allowing their customers to take food 149 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 3: home in a doggy bag with our wave? No, it's 150 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 3: just ridiculous. 151 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: No, it does seem over the top. What do you think? 152 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 3: No? 153 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 4: I totally disagree, And yes, people have got into trouble 154 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 4: with this before. So well, my husband's an ex chef, 155 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 4: and I know from others who have worked in the 156 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 4: sector that you've got people who take food home and 157 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 4: they are so you know, social media is so accessible 158 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 4: these days and the reach is so huge that you 159 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 4: post a Google review on the food that you've got 160 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 4: causing you food poisoning and it must have been from 161 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 4: the place you've got it, and that business can go under. 162 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 4: And I'm not overstating that. So you know, it's not 163 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 4: much to ask for people to just I wouldn't mind 164 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 4: signing something saying that, you know, the food was great 165 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 4: when I left if it means I can take my 166 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 4: food home. 167 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 2: But how do you know the farm was good because 168 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 2: it might take you an oyster can take you two 169 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 2: or three days to sort. 170 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: Of you know. Yeah, well the. 171 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 4: Social media, yeah yes, But if someone has eaten it 172 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 4: on site and they get sick at the restaurant on site, 173 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 4: this is a I think your story, said Heather, is 174 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 4: that Pepe they keep records of who signs the forms 175 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 4: and who doesn't. But I think the risk is to 176 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 4: grace and I have seen it happen where people have 177 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 4: said the food made me sick, when in fact it 178 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 4: was a person taking it home. Look, either you sign 179 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 4: the waiver or you don't. Allow people to take food on. 180 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 4: That's the choice. It's got to be. 181 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 2: I think I love taking food home. Do you take 182 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 2: food home? 183 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 3: David? 184 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: Yeah? Why Why is your appetite so small at the minute. 185 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 3: It's called children. They don't always finish their metals. 186 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: It's too right. Actually I've forgotten about them. Yeah, I've 187 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: got one of those two. Actually, guys, thanks very much, 188 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 2: appreciate it. 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