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Speaker 1: The Education Review Office wants us to take a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a harder line on the school phone. Then

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Speaker 1: it says only half of secondary students are actually following

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Speaker 1: the rules, often because the kids are trying to contact

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Speaker 1: their family members, but compliance lifts when teachers confiscate the

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Speaker 1: phones and tell the parents. Ruth Schanoda is the ro

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Speaker 1: chief Review Officer and with us Now, Hi, Ruth, Hi,

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Speaker 1: what do you reckon? I mean if the compliance lifts

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Speaker 1: once the parents are told, are the parents actually the

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Speaker 1: problem here?

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Speaker 2: I hate to say that. Yes. So we're finding that

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Speaker 2: like getting phones out of the classroom makes a huge difference.

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Speaker 2: So we know it improves focus to sers a teacher

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Speaker 2: says that it improves achievement and really encourage with me, it

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Speaker 2: reduces billying. We know in primary nine out of ten

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Speaker 2: students are complying, but when we get into those secondary years,

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Speaker 2: only half of students, when you get to year twelve

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Speaker 2: and thirteen, it's less than that of following the rules.

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Speaker 2: And the main reason they say is because they want

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Speaker 2: to connect or be called by their family.

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Speaker 1: So this is where basically a pleading from you guys

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Speaker 1: to parents is.

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Speaker 2: It absolutely always saying to parents flees back teacher school.

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Speaker 2: They're doing an amazing job here. They've got rules, they've

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Speaker 2: got consequences, and what they need is parents to stop

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Speaker 2: contacting the children. That's all of us, myself included, to

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Speaker 2: stop contacting our kids during the school day. Let's go

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Speaker 2: back to the days when you know, if the kid

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Speaker 2: forgets their tea kit, they borrow someone else's. If they

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Speaker 2: want to meet you ap after school, they've arranged that

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Speaker 2: in advance and only in an emergency with parents phone

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Speaker 2: the school and they go to the school office.

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Speaker 1: What are you contacting your children for, Ruth.

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Speaker 2: Well, I have to put my hand up here before

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Speaker 2: I did this, you know, like many other parents, it

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Speaker 2: would be their reminder I'll be seeing you at four

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Speaker 2: o'clock at New World, or the don't forget your dentist,

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Speaker 2: or them going oh my god, I've forgot my lunch,

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Speaker 2: you know, you know what I mean. And then I've

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Speaker 2: done this research and I'm like, okay, that's got to stop,

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Speaker 2: because how you know, when we look at this, we

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Speaker 2: talk to teachers and they pointed out to us if

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Speaker 2: they're trying to teach them a complicated long division question,

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Speaker 2: if they're sitting with their phone next to them, maybe

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Speaker 2: sneaky under the deskool right on the desk and texting

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Speaker 2: me about what they want to have after school. They're

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Speaker 2: not going to do their long division question and they're

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Speaker 2: not going to learn how to. So now I've learned

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Speaker 2: the error of my ways, I'm just pleading for other

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Speaker 2: parents to do the same. Let's go back to the way.

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Speaker 1: How hard was the transition for yourself and your kids

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Speaker 1: to go cold turkey on the phones during school time?

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Speaker 2: So what's actually really encouraging from this research is showing

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Speaker 2: that it's one of those things. If every parent does it,

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Speaker 2: it's so much easier. So one of the reasons primary

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Speaker 2: school has been so successful is because most primary schools

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Speaker 2: just take the phone off the kids when they walk in,

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Speaker 2: so kids to stop taking their phone to school. And

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Speaker 2: then encouraging me, they're saying that kids stop asking their

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Speaker 2: parents for phones.

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Speaker 1: That interesting.

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Speaker 2: So if all the parents do it and nobody's texting

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Speaker 2: each other in the classroom, then it just changes the

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Speaker 2: behavior pattern. So it's kind of let's all get on

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Speaker 2: board and back up schools.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, does it really matter though whither the kids

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Speaker 1: are doing so, because it sounds like it's well, for

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Speaker 1: the most part, the outside of the educational staff at school. Right,

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Speaker 1: So when they're going to the bathroom, when they're going

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Speaker 1: to their bags or walking down the corridor or something,

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Speaker 1: is that really that bigger problem.

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Speaker 2: It's still happened in the class, and that's what the

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Speaker 2: students are saying why they break their rules and don't

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Speaker 2: comply from which to contact their friends. But most of

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Speaker 2: it is contacting their family or being contacted, and it

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Speaker 2: does matter if we can get phones out. Teachers are

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Speaker 2: saying that behavior is improving, bullying's going down. I mean,

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Speaker 2: obviously it's not enough in itself. We also heard an

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Speaker 2: increasing concern about wearables are as. Secondary teachers are saying

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Speaker 2: wearables are starting to cause them problem. For those are

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Speaker 2: those watches which they can also get messages on, and

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Speaker 2: of course they still access social media on their other devices,

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Speaker 2: and teachers are saying, come on it, can we just

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Speaker 2: get them on the learning.

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Speaker 1: The other device is being laptops because somebody sticks me

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Speaker 1: and said, it's not the phones, it's actually the laptops

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Speaker 1: and class which they're using and messaging from.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so once you've taken the phones, that was the

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Speaker 2: first port of call and then we're saying let's get devices.

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Speaker 2: But yes, schools are said and we're backed. Please can

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Speaker 2: we look at ways of blocking social media DURA in

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Speaker 2: education hoping to do their precious days. So some schools

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Speaker 2: already do it in terms of how they use their

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Speaker 2: boorband and they found smart ways. But with in to government,

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Speaker 2: let's support schools. They're doing a great job. Honestly, we

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Speaker 2: talk to principles teachers who have just done so much

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Speaker 2: walking around the playgrounds getting phones off kids because they

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Speaker 2: know it makes a big difference. Unfortunately, when we went

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Speaker 2: into this, we found that in the OCD when it

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Speaker 2: comes to being distracted by your phone in math classes,

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Speaker 2: we're really up there one of the most distractive set

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Speaker 2: of kids and we always have pretty little bad math scores.

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Speaker 2: But makes a big difference. And I just want parents,

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Speaker 2: all of us to go on board with the schools

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Speaker 2: and back them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair point, Ruth, and thank you. I've talked to

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Speaker 1: you about the devices and the wearables before and I

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Speaker 1: think you make a good point. That's Ruth Shanoda, e RO,

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