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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and

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Speaker 2: On the Huddle of Me This Evening, David fara Kei

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Speaker 2: we Blogging Curio Polster and Jack Tame, host of Saturday

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Speaker 2: mornings on News Talk z'bn Q and a Highlands Thank you, Jack.

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Speaker 3: On board of it?

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Speaker 2: Are you bored of it? I'm so bored of it?

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Speaker 2: It's like an old ideas. We've rejected it, Get something new,

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Speaker 2: move on.

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Speaker 4: Well we've rejected it, but we haven't rejected the reason

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Speaker 4: that we are still talking about it, which is that

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Speaker 4: New Zealand doesn't have sufficient revenue at the moment to

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Speaker 4: sustain the kind of services that most New Zealanders expect

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Speaker 4: will be part of our lives going into the future.

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Speaker 4: And I think until we address that fundamental problem, we're

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Speaker 4: going to keep having this old conversation.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you can debate about.

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Speaker 4: The effectiveness of throwing money at problems, and I think

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Speaker 4: if we've learned anything in recent years, it's that throwing

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Speaker 4: at money. Throwing money at problems doesn't automatically make them

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Speaker 4: go away. But we still have a massive infrastructure deficit,

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Speaker 4: we have an aging population, we have massive needs in

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Speaker 4: our healthcare system, and I think it is inevitable that

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Speaker 4: New Zealand is going to have to broaden its tax

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Speaker 4: base going into the future if we want to have

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Speaker 4: the kind of country that most of us would think

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Speaker 4: we'd like to live in.

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Speaker 3: I also think there's still a famous question at the

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Speaker 3: heart of it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I can't get reasonable people to explain to

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Speaker 4: me why someone working two jobs cleaning toilets through the

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Speaker 4: middle of the night in South Auckland is taxed at

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Speaker 4: a marginal rate, whereas someone who buys a house, holds

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Speaker 4: it for four years and the inflicts it on isn't taxed

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Speaker 4: at least a little bit on their capital gain during

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Speaker 4: that period.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think this is inevitable.

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Speaker 4: And one of the things that I think is curious,

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Speaker 4: ether is the timing of this conversation. I reckon there

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Speaker 4: are a lot of people who are thinking, you know what,

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Speaker 4: if it comes down to a binary choice between a

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Speaker 4: wealth tax and a CGT, A CGT makes sense for

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Speaker 4: so many more reasons.

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Speaker 2: David, what's your polling telling you? Because a lot of

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Speaker 2: the time you hear people say, oh, it's time has come.

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Speaker 2: People are much more on board of it now than

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Speaker 2: they were ten years ago. What are you seeing?

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Speaker 5: People like the idea of other people paying more time.

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Speaker 3: Tax, whatever you fall on tax.

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Speaker 5: People don't want to pay more, but they want other

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Speaker 5: people to pay more. A CGT with no details is

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Speaker 5: actually quite popular because no one thinks it will hit them.

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Speaker 5: But the moment you get into a specific model and

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Speaker 5: when people realize it's going to affect their bats, it

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Speaker 5: might effect there, their sheer portfolio, et cetera, et cetera,

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Speaker 5: then it starts to die death of a thousand cuts.

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Speaker 5: And this is this amusing thing with ad Z coming

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Speaker 5: out for it, because there is a case for CGT

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Speaker 5: if you're a purist and applied to all capital games

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Speaker 5: and your learn the income text to compensate, but will

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Speaker 5: never apply to people's family homes. So that would be

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Speaker 5: deeply unpopular. And when does a Z make its money people?

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Speaker 5: That is such a want other people to pay taxes.

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Speaker 4: That is such a good point. There's the real test

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Speaker 4: for Antony Watson's position on this. Does she support a

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Speaker 4: comprehensive CGT some one that applies to the family home,

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Speaker 4: one that applies to the family bets, one that applies

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Speaker 4: to all capital gains?

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Speaker 2: Jack, why should you pay capital gains on your batch?

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Speaker 3: I think it's cleaner.

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Speaker 4: I also think, regardless of any essays, if it increases

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Speaker 4: in value and capital value and you make a profit

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Speaker 4: from that, then it's reasonable to say the family some yep,

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Speaker 3: But then if you think about.

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Speaker 2: That, think about it, Jack. So let's say you buy

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Speaker 2: your family home for five hundred and you sell it

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Speaker 2: ten years later for one meal. Then you pay tax

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Speaker 2: on that. How are you going to buy? And because

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Speaker 2: you want to buy another house, you now can't afford

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Speaker 2: another comparable house. So you just pay tax on your

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Speaker 3: You are left, what do you mean you can't afford

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Speaker 3: another comparable house. Why wouldn't you be able to aford

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Speaker 3: a comparable.

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Speaker 2: House because you've just paid tax on the five hundred

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Speaker 2: you've made on your family but.

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Speaker 3: That house well, first of all, well.

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Speaker 2: You can't afford another meal because now you will.

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Speaker 4: Not expect the CGT to apply to I wouldn't expect

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Speaker 4: the CGT to apply at the marginal rate. I don't

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Speaker 4: think many people are suggesting it should apply at the

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Speaker 4: marginal rate. Secondly, you're looking to buy, well, I mean

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Speaker 4: that's up for debate, right, but you can make it

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Speaker 4: still making a loss.

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Speaker 3: I just go back to your economic point there.

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Speaker 4: That house that you're looking to buy is also subject

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Speaker 4: to a cg TECH.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so every house is so.

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Speaker 4: So you say you can't afford a new house, That

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Speaker 4: new house, that comparable house that you're looking to buy,

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Speaker 4: is subjects when it's sold to you, still the same

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Speaker 4: cgtch So no, you're still argument makes no sense.

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Speaker 3: You say you can't afford it. It's applied exactly the

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Speaker 3: same things been married to.

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Speaker 2: You must be a bloody nightmare. Listen to me. If

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Speaker 2: you are selling a house for a million bucks and

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Speaker 2: then you pay tax and you want to buy another

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Speaker 2: house for a million bucks, it's still costing you a

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Speaker 2: million bucks. You don't get a discount because that house

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Speaker 2: has got a CGT on it as well.

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Speaker 4: If but the point is that that house will have

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Speaker 4: also had a tax applied. Yes, when it's sold by

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Speaker 4: the person to you, it would have had the same

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Speaker 4: thing applied. So a comparable house, the tax will be

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Speaker 2: The So that makes no sense.

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Speaker 3: You're still the government's money out of both.

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Speaker 5: Basically, when you sell your house, the government will make

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Speaker 5: money and the person who sells you the house you're

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Speaker 5: moving into makes government will make money on that too.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but you are still you're moving from a million

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Speaker 2: dollar house to a million dollar house, right, so you are.

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Speaker 2: So what I'm arguing is, it's what I'm just trying

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Speaker 2: to argue. It shouldn't apply to the family home, as

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Speaker 2: it doesn't at the moment and all. Should it apply

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Speaker 2: to the batch because you're batch is not an investment

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Speaker 2: you're trying to make money off. Your batch is your

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Speaker 2: second home that.

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Speaker 1: You will enjoy.

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Speaker 3: Do you think just out of interest?

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Speaker 4: Do you think for the sake of simplicity and keeping

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Speaker 4: the tax code as simple as possible? I get that

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Speaker 4: from a political perspective, there aren't going to be people

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Speaker 4: who support the you know, support having a CGT on

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Speaker 4: the family high or the badge. But do you think

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Speaker 4: that just from a simplicity application perspective, it makes sense

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Speaker 4: to have it completely comprehensive on all problems sales for example?

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Speaker 2: No, right, yeah, absolutely not a hate paying tax.

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Speaker 4: I mean it would certainly certainly be less bureaucratic. We

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Speaker 4: can probably all agree on this. In a wealth text,

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Speaker 4: we'd agree on that, right.

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Speaker 2: We don't have to have any of them. It's for me.

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Speaker 2: It's not a choice of one between the other eyes.

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Speaker 3: So what do you do?

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Speaker 4: What would you do about an aging population? Bion user

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Speaker 4: pays for healthcare?

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Speaker 3: Yeap ration it.

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Speaker 2: Because if you take all the wealthy, greedy buggers out

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Speaker 2: and they go and pay for their private healthcare, it's

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Speaker 2: taking least pressure. It takes pressure off the health the

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Speaker 2: public health system. Therefore problem kinder solved. The remainder of

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Speaker 2: the people can use the rest. Yeah okay, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Like that.

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Speaker 2: No, you did it because you know we have we can.

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Speaker 2: I know what you think, I know how you vote.

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Speaker 2: We'll take a break, come back and just to take

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Speaker 2: fourteen away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty Elevate the

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Speaker 1: marketing of your home Back.

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Speaker 2: With a Huddle David Farr and Jack Tamed. David, did

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Speaker 2: you hear Samon Brown before on with us?

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Speaker 3: No idea?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So assuming that that is what has happened, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to tell you he said. He said that the

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Speaker 2: contractor that made the transpower pylon fall over had already

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Speaker 2: the same contractor had already three times before taken the

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Speaker 2: nuts out of more than one Pilon league at a time.

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Speaker 2: It was just that when they did it the fourth time,

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Speaker 2: the pilon fell over.

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Speaker 1: What do you think I.

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Speaker 5: Think Monty Python should come to New Zealand film a

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Speaker 5: show based with Transpower Dorthlyn because you know, to do

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Speaker 5: it once because the official story was someone wasn't supervising.

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Speaker 5: But to think they be going around the country right

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Speaker 5: unscreened four bolts at a time and just be lucky

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Speaker 5: it wasn't a wit dy day. It really is a

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Speaker 5: stod the sheet. It's normally I don't support Transpower pain

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Speaker 5: compensation because otherwise we be paying lots more for a

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Speaker 5: power bells. But I think when the incompetence is so

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Speaker 5: should make a good will payment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah well, I mean actually this was avoidable.

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Speaker 2: Quite but jack should it be Transpower should be on

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Speaker 2: some who's done this for the fourth time?

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, I mean you'd think it should be a

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Speaker 4: mix on right. So there are two questions. First of all,

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Speaker 4: how on earth is this person's all got a job

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Speaker 4: or how did they still have a job if this

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Speaker 4: was the level of training that was being provided to them.

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Speaker 4: Something tells me that omix On maybe doesn't have the

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Speaker 4: means to be paying much compensation, but it's remarkable, given

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Speaker 4: this had happened so many times before that Transpower was

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Speaker 4: about the previous errors with the bolts.

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Speaker 2: After the fact. So when it felt when it fell

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Speaker 2: it happened to me, they.

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Speaker 3: Said, surprises of the fourth time.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I honestly think that Grant mccowm's got a

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Speaker 4: really good point on this front. I think that having

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Speaker 4: some I think it's going to be impossible to fully

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Speaker 4: compensate every person in business for the tens and millions

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Speaker 4: of dollars and losses caused as a result of this.

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Speaker 4: But but I think saying something like, actually, we're going

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Speaker 4: to cut your bills for the next twelve months, you know,

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Speaker 4: not one hundred percent necessarily, but we're gonna we're gonna

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Speaker 4: meaningfully reduce your bills as a result of the inconvenience

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Speaker 4: and expense from this total and utter complete incompetence.

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Speaker 3: I think that'd be a really good move.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why not, Hey, what do you make David of

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Speaker 2: the fact that actually, according to the well being stats

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Speaker 2: from Stats New Zealand, apparently we are happy like seven

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Speaker 2: point six out of ten happy, even though we complain

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Speaker 2: about everything at the moment.

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Speaker 5: Well as comparing it to I mean, it's much the

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Speaker 5: same as what was up five years ago, So you've

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Speaker 5: got that whole COVID period at seat. But I think

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Speaker 5: in the end of the day, it shows we're a

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Speaker 5: pre resilient country where it's not like a miracle where

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Speaker 5: I think people are so depressed about what's happening to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. We'll have to leave it there, guys, thank you.

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