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Speaker 1: Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors, with us Hey.

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Speaker 2: Thomas, good afternoon, Thomas.

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Speaker 1: Is not actual war going on here between Labor and

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Speaker 1: the Marty Party.

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Speaker 2: Is there? I wouldn't describe it as an actual war.

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Speaker 2: I mean that the Willie Jackson is using that war

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Speaker 2: like language. He was referred to it in similar terms

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Speaker 2: on Q and A over the weekend. But I mean,

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Speaker 2: I suppose maybe it's a cold war, you might say. Certainly,

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Speaker 2: over the last six months, I think Labour's become a

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Speaker 2: bit exasperated with study antics from TA Party Marty. Obviously

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Speaker 2: there are kindred spirits. They believe in the same kind

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Speaker 2: of political you know, direction of travel. But you can

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Speaker 2: see it in the house to see a few st

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Speaker 2: of Labor MPs looking a wee bit, you know, unimpressed

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Speaker 2: when to Party Mardi gets a wee bit theatrical. You

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Speaker 2: can watch it even on the Herald. Now, last week

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Speaker 2: we had a panel with with Debor Russell, obviously Labour's

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Speaker 2: revenue spokesperson. She didn't look that impressed. She wasn't she

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Speaker 2: wasn't like rushing to defend some of the theatrics of TA

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Speaker 2: Party Marty. In that interview, so yeah, I think I

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Speaker 2: think I think you wouldn't described it. I wouldn't describe

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Speaker 2: it as war, but it certainly things are read a

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Speaker 2: low ear.

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Speaker 1: But I reckon, why why do you say that? Because

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Speaker 1: I'd love it to be I mean, you know, I

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Speaker 1: love excitement in politics. I just can't see it.

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Speaker 2: I can't.

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Speaker 1: This all just feels like Willie Jackson's exaggerations.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it the war? Well so so the language, the

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Speaker 2: wording that he used was I don't want to war.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to war with party Mary, and I

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Speaker 2: don't think we should be fighting or warring. The main

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Speaker 2: problem here is the government and then he you know,

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Speaker 2: teks the government. But but you know there is there

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Speaker 2: is that tension, I guess, and you are seeing it

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Speaker 2: now like Killy Tamahiri's video over the weekend having a

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Speaker 2: go at Willie Jackson and Adrian Rudrafe for their speeches

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Speaker 2: in the House.

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Speaker 1: And okay, so Thomas, I'll give you an alternative theory. Right,

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Speaker 1: they're just playing to their bases. Labor is just publicly

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Speaker 1: telling the Marori Party off because it knows that's what

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Speaker 1: voter its voters want to hear. And the Marori Party

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Speaker 1: is just telling them off for being too I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I suppose calm and and and playing by the rules

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Speaker 1: because they know that's what their voters want to hear.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that there's any indication that there's actually

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Speaker 1: a war going on.

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Speaker 2: No affirmative. Yes, I think parts of it are performative.

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Speaker 2: I do think, I do think for both sides. As

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Speaker 2: the you know, Chriss Septins is said, as the election

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Speaker 2: gets closer, he has promised to lay out how he's

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Speaker 2: going to work with the various potential coalition partners. Now,

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Speaker 2: obviously Winston Peters is ruled Chrissiptins out so so so

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Speaker 2: the next government, if it's a left wing government, will

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Speaker 2: need to be some form of Labor to Party Marray

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Speaker 2: and the Kings uh and And the big question for

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Speaker 2: Hipkins then is well, you know, do do you allow

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Speaker 2: to party marding MP's into cabinet. You know that that's

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Speaker 2: the discipline. Well, the discipline that I'm shown is probably

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Speaker 2: not cabinet materials.

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Speaker 1: Didn't I read in one of your columns that John

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Speaker 1: Tamerheady was in the Labor Party caucus room on the

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Speaker 1: night of the budget. Yes, yes, is hardly.

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Speaker 2: A war well, and I think I think that is

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Speaker 2: that is part of if there is a war and

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Speaker 2: it is a is of war, is to say it's

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Speaker 2: a cold war. I think that's part of it. I

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Speaker 2: think he came into that caucus room and said, like, look,

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Speaker 2: I recognize that things are at a low ebb, but

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Speaker 2: we need to do what we we do, and you

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Speaker 2: need to do what you do, Which is the point

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Speaker 2: I guess that you're making, which is that they both

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Speaker 2: are doing their own thing and hoping it comes together

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Speaker 2: around election time. But they're up and there are some

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Speaker 2: unresolved tensions there between those two parties, and you looking

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Speaker 2: from the outside now, you'd have to say there's a

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Speaker 2: decent chance that those two parties are not going to

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Speaker 2: get the attentions resolved by the time the campaign rolls around,

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Speaker 2: because you can beat your bottom dollar that the ax

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Speaker 2: Party research unit is making a good note of all

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Speaker 2: of these videos that people like Kiddy Tummy Herey are

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Speaker 2: putting out on social media, and it's going to make

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Speaker 2: a big song and dance about them on the election campaign,

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Speaker 2: and Labor's going to need to have to say something.

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Speaker 2: You know, Labor's going to need to have a position

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Speaker 2: on them absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Now, what's the problem that the Greens have with the

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Speaker 1: NBR Rich List.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's the problem with the problem that Greens have

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Speaker 2: with the NBR Rich List is that they are too rich.

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Speaker 2: So the Greens, which it does, it does rather go

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Speaker 2: with the with the territory for both the rich List

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Speaker 2: and the Greens. So the Green Party put out a

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Speaker 2: statement today the rich List has topped one one hundred

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Speaker 2: billion dollars for the first time, so that is I

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Speaker 2: think it's one hundred and nineteen individuals worth one hundred

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Speaker 2: and two billion dollars this year. So the Greens are

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Speaker 2: saying that the rich List is now worth more than

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Speaker 2: one hundred billion dollars and contrasting at against some of

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Speaker 2: the wealthier cuts that the government has done. And the

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Speaker 2: Greens then say it's time to tax wealth and build

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Speaker 2: a country where all of us can thrive. So I

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Speaker 2: think both both the Rich List and the Greens playing

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Speaker 2: to type the Lord honestly.

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Speaker 1: Thomas, thanks very much, appreciate it as always, mate, We'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you tomorrow. Thomas Coglan, the Herald's Political editay.

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