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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks AB.

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Speaker 2: Twenty five to eleven on Newsbooks. Well, the AI world

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Speaker 2: was sort of turned on its head this week. Went

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Speaker 2: out of nowhere a Chinese company and a Chinese AI

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Speaker 2: model run by a company called deep Seek was released

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Speaker 2: to the world and for a fraction of the cost,

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Speaker 2: like a one hundredth of the cost of the likes

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Speaker 2: of chat GPT produced what appeared to be a pretty

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Speaker 2: effective generative AI model. So you could go online and Jay, hey,

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Speaker 2: write me an essay on the fall of the Roman Empire.

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Speaker 2: I need two thousand words, and I need it in

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Speaker 2: fifteen seconds, and it could do it. Our Textbert Paul

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Speaker 2: Stenhouse is here with the details and Paul, this sort

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Speaker 2: of came out of nowhere a it did.

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Speaker 3: And the thing that was so fascinating about it not

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Speaker 3: just that cost Jack there was so much lower than

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Speaker 3: what these US firms have spent on AI.

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Speaker 4: It's that they've managed to do it with old hardware basically, right.

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Speaker 3: So one of the big things here was that the

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Speaker 3: US had basically put a ban on in Vidia's chips

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Speaker 3: going over to China to be used for AI. They

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Speaker 3: wanted to make sure that the US was best positioned

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Speaker 3: for this you know AI revolution or still will be

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Speaker 3: the best positioned for this revolution.

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Speaker 4: And so China was really forced to do with what they.

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Speaker 3: Had and make do did they because it's just like

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Speaker 3: that's the piece of this that I think stunned people.

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Speaker 3: And that's the reason that the stock market just took

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Speaker 3: an absolute beating.

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Speaker 4: I mean in Vidio's shares fell.

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Speaker 3: Of its market cap in a day because of this

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Speaker 3: new model.

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Speaker 2: It did make it a few bit of a back, right, So,

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Speaker 2: I mean I think it was that that as a company,

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Speaker 2: I think and Nvidia lost more value than any other

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Speaker 2: company in the history of American cheer markets. Well, you

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Speaker 2: know that in that twenty four hour period they had

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Speaker 2: made a bit of it bad for the year. It

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Speaker 2: was a massive shock.

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Speaker 4: I'm just quickly looking as you type. I mean it's

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Speaker 4: still it is still down on.

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Speaker 3: Where it started the week, yes, yes, but has certainly

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Speaker 3: like yeah, I mean, it just moved.

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Speaker 4: I think it was so scary.

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Speaker 3: Is it just moved the whole market, right, because there

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Speaker 3: were all those flow and effects because I think for

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Speaker 3: the first time the analysts have really started to think

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Speaker 3: maybe this like maybe what we're doing isn't necessarily maybe

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Speaker 3: the hype isn't there, or maybe what we've got isn't

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Speaker 3: necessarily the best, and it just it just the ricochet

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Speaker 3: where people were just really questioning the value of this company.

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Speaker 3: Now that is the most valuable company I think in

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Speaker 3: the world.

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Speaker 2: At least, was Yeah, it's going to be amazing, amazing

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Speaker 2: to see how they kind of tech companies in the

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Speaker 2: US respond as well. Now, let's talk robotaxis, because more

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Speaker 2: robotaxis are headed to the streets. There are a few

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Speaker 2: cities in the U where they've become kind of a

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Speaker 2: common thing to see. You know, when I was when

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Speaker 2: I was in Arizona a few months ago, you know,

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Speaker 2: there were these kind of robotaxis every weere. Obviously in

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Speaker 2: Silicon Valley you see them all the time. But now

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Speaker 2: Tesla is starting a robotaxi service in Austin, Texas.

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Speaker 3: Austin, Texas right by their big HQ. Yeah, and that

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Speaker 3: I mean, Elon says it's going to be in June.

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Speaker 3: So let's wait and see if that actually happens. I've

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Speaker 3: been talking about this fully autonomous driving for quite some time,

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Speaker 3: and that's what this robotaxi service will be there'll be

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Speaker 3: no human driver behind the wheel.

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Speaker 4: It just turns up.

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Speaker 3: And how it's different from those other services like the

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Speaker 3: ones you saw in Phoenix and is if like might

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Speaker 3: have seen them under the name Weaimo. They've got all

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Speaker 3: these kind of instruments on and sort of around the car.

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Speaker 4: They do like light our radar.

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Speaker 3: Technology, and there's like things that spin and it looks

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Speaker 3: very kind of sophisticated and you know future, yeah, something

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Speaker 3: from the future. But the Tesla from what we know,

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Speaker 3: is going to be using it's standard Tesla cameras that

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Speaker 3: they've already been using, which is a really big step

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Speaker 3: forward if that can actually go the distance, because that

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Speaker 3: technology is significantly cheaper, doesn't rely on expensive hardware. It's

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Speaker 3: largely software based. It's just literally using cameras. And they've

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Speaker 3: been testing out their full drivers function in San Francisco

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Speaker 3: with safety drivers behind the wheel, and now it seems

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Speaker 3: that and this is the thing, it seems that they

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Speaker 3: will be just standard Teslas.

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Speaker 4: Elan's talked about something interesting.

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Speaker 3: Over the years, he's had this stream of these robotaxis

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Speaker 3: where you could buy your own Tesla and then contribute

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Speaker 3: it back when you're not using it to the Tesla network.

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Speaker 4: So one would assume.

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Speaker 3: That the Robotaxi service will be a step in that

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Speaker 3: direction and they will just be standard Tesla's. But another

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Speaker 3: fun thing about the Tesla Jack and itself driving. Did

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Speaker 3: you know at the Tesla factory when a car is

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Speaker 3: born effectively when it is completed itself to the loading dock.

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Speaker 5: Ah cute?

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Speaker 2: So I mean that is cool. I suppose that can

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Speaker 2: they just program it?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: You would hope that for all of the self driving

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Speaker 2: technology that have enough confidence in the technology that the

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Speaker 2: can drive through the factory floor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that sounds amazing, drives.

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Speaker 4: It, drives it to the loading dock and gets gets

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Speaker 4: put on a.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know, I guess in a ship or

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Speaker 3: a yeah, truck or something, and off it goes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Hey, were you were you a SIMS fan when you

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Speaker 5: were a kid? Twenty five years right since the SIMS

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Speaker 5: were invented. I was of saying, sorry to interrupt you,

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Speaker 5: I was a SIMS fan. This is a it's a

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Speaker 5: computer game, right now, that the SIMS were a computer

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Speaker 5: game where you would sort of simulate a life and

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Speaker 5: you you'd run you'd basically run these people and run

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Speaker 5: their lives and build a house and they go to job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, whole family. And it was always weird because it

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Speaker 2: was the first game where you just it wasn't even

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Speaker 2: really a major purpose. It was just sort of you

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Speaker 2: were just.

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Speaker 5: Building someone else's life.

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Speaker 4: Well, Jack, you were trying to make money?

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Speaker 5: Well you maybe you were.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't nearly as oh yes, right yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, it's back.

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Speaker 4: It's back.

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Speaker 3: It's it's been twenty five years, and to celebrate that,

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Speaker 3: they are re releasing SIMS and SIMS too, which I

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Speaker 3: just think is kind of it's so fun.

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Speaker 4: I mean that game, you see, that was a massive

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Speaker 4: step forward when it was released.

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Speaker 3: I remember thinking the graphics were just incredible. You know,

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Speaker 3: you had the full design control of designing your house.

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Speaker 3: They had all these expansion packs, do you remember those?

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Speaker 3: You send them on vacations and dates and all sorts

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Speaker 3: of things, and it was sort of like the you know,

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Speaker 3: you got your parents to buy you the SIMS, and

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Speaker 3: then you had to go and you know, trick them

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Speaker 3: into seeing if they could buy you the extension pack

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Speaker 3: to do more and more.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it's back.

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Speaker 3: If you're on Windows ten or Windows eleven, You can

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Speaker 3: download it from Electronic Arts or Steam, which has which

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Speaker 3: has lots and lots of games and things. No love

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Speaker 3: for Matthews as yet though, because I'm just full of

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Speaker 3: fun facts today.

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Speaker 4: Did you know that there's a SIMS movie in the works?

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Speaker 5: Ah? I had no idea, right, Okay.

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Speaker 4: So I think I think kind of like the Bardie hype.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Mate, So not as money in nostalgia, Paul, there's

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Speaker 2: money in nostalgia Millennials.

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Speaker 3: I still remember the cheat code in SIMS to type

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Speaker 3: in to get unlimited money.

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Speaker 4: Oh, what was it was? Rosebud? You typed in Rosebud, Rosebud, Rosebud.

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Speaker 4: I must have typed in Rosebud.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many rose bud?

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Speaker 5: Ah?

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Speaker 1: Is it?

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Speaker 2: Am I right in thinking that that is the that's

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Speaker 2: from Citizen Kane?

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Speaker 5: Isn't it that I don't know it's a Citizen Kane?

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Speaker 2: Ah, Paul, You see you think of yourself as a

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Speaker 2: as a as a storied and cultural man.

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Speaker 4: Yes, roerenh.

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Speaker 2: For goodness sake, I'm not going to give it away.

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Speaker 2: You've got to watch Citizen Kane.

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Speaker 4: Are you serious?

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Speaker 5: Even problem you haven't seen Citizen Kane.

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Speaker 4: I probably have for goodness problem I.

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Speaker 2: Have get back here screens for goodness. Okay, all right, hey,

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Speaker 2: thanks thanks so much for great to check our TIS

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Speaker 2: at paul Stein House.

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