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Speaker 1: One day on from Australia officially banning social media for

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Speaker 1: under sixteens, and the verdict is mixed. Plenty of kids

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Speaker 1: have been kicked off the old Insta and TikTok, but

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Speaker 1: loads are still on there happily browsing away. Back here,

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Speaker 1: our parliaments given its interim verdict on whether we should

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Speaker 1: do the same in Carl Bates is the acting chair

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Speaker 1: of the Education and Workforce Select Committee and is with

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Speaker 1: us Morning Carl, Good morning Heather. How long are we

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Speaker 1: going to watch Australia before we make up our lines?

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Speaker 2: So our final reporters do early in the new year,

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Speaker 2: and so you will get a clear indication when that

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Speaker 2: comes out, as I say, earlier in the new year.

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Speaker 2: But at this stage it's very clear from the majority

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Speaker 2: of members of the Committee that undertaking the band here

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Speaker 2: in New Zalmand would be a good idea.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So will that final report when it comes out

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Speaker 1: actually say yes or no we should do it.

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Speaker 2: So there are a couple of things the Committee has

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Speaker 2: already said it thinks we should do, the ban being

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Speaker 2: one of them, the introduction of an online regulator being another.

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Speaker 2: And then there were a number of points where the

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Speaker 2: Committee has said these require further consideration and will provide

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Speaker 2: some final use in the final important what.

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Speaker 1: Do you think success in Australia looks like.

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Speaker 2: So there's no doubt teenagers will get around it, as

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Speaker 2: you've been saying, just as they do buying alcohol and

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Speaker 2: driving when they don't have the right license. However, this

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Speaker 2: is about a culture shift, I think, and the majority

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Speaker 2: of the Committee believe we need to do this now,

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Speaker 2: that we need to step up efforts to ensure the

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Speaker 2: internet is a safe place for our children. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, ultimately this will live or die based on

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Speaker 1: whether you can get ACT support. How do you feel

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Speaker 1: about that? Because they don't sound like they love it.

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Speaker 2: Well, not necessarily. Labor have said that they support restricting

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Speaker 2: online access for under sixteen year old So maybe next

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Speaker 2: time you're someone from Labor or on the show, you'll

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Speaker 2: be able to ask them if they are keen to

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Speaker 2: Pullcatch and Weed's members bill out of the biscuit to

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Speaker 2: now and get on with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair point.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Now, having looked into this as a parent yourself, what

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Speaker 1: have you come out of it more concerned about? Is

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Speaker 1: it the scroll and what it does to the kids

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Speaker 1: on the social media, or is it the harassment and

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Speaker 1: bullying that happens between them on these platforms.

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Speaker 2: So I think when you look at what the committee did,

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Speaker 2: we went much wider than just the online social media

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Speaker 2: harm components. So we look at content, so the self

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Speaker 2: harm issues, the manipulation, We look at conduct, so the

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Speaker 2: sharing of information, sexting, nude step fats, all of that,

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Speaker 2: the contact stuff that you've been referring to, their cyberability,

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Speaker 2: bullying and harassment, and then also commerce harm that happened

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Speaker 2: for our teenagers as well, scams and jammling and these things.

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Speaker 2: And there are some pretty horroring stories that came through

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Speaker 2: the selectivity process where parents and individuals shared their experiences,

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Speaker 2: and I just want to shout up to them for

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Speaker 2: opening up and sharing their personal stories.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, thank you very much, Carla, to appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: As Carl Bates, Acting Chair of the Education and Workforce

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Speaker 1: Committee here the Martin Luther King told us, we're morally

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Speaker 1: obligated to disobey bad law, and now banning under sixteen

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Speaker 1: year olds from learning media social media is certainly bad law,

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Speaker 1: and I will definitely be encouraging and helping my kids

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Speaker 1: to circumvent that law should be implemented in New Zealand,

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