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Speaker 1: Now here we go. New Zealand First is announced it's

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Speaker 1: going to campaign for a referendum on the Maori electorate seats.

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Speaker 1: The party says with MMP the seats are no longer

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Speaker 1: needed for Maori representation and the Maori Party's behavior over

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Speaker 1: the last few years has been the last straw. New

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Speaker 1: Zealand First leader Winston Peters is with us now, Hi, Winston, Hello,

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Speaker 1: is this a bottom line?

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Speaker 2: Look, we don't do bottom lines. What we're saying is

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Speaker 2: to the people out there, when we made this commitment,

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Speaker 2: first of all, we were ninety percent of the polls

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Speaker 2: in Labor at fall into twenty We were overtaking Labor

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Speaker 2: and we knew we could deliver it. But then then,

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Speaker 2: of course they went off and voted for the sender

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Speaker 2: as in a so called disinde mania campaign, and we

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Speaker 2: lost the chance. But we're saying to voters not matter

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Speaker 2: of bottom line, it's if you want this change, vote

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Speaker 2: for New Zealand First in this campaign.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So how big do you have to be relative

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Speaker 1: to the major party in order to be able.

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Speaker 2: To do it well? As I say, when we made

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Speaker 2: that promise, we can knew when Talbot Mills, when Talbot.

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Speaker 2: Mills came in one night and said, you guys are

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Speaker 2: on nineteen. They're on t We knew we could deliver

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Speaker 2: these things, but see how things change. And of course

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Speaker 2: you had a very biased mainstream media, many generated by

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Speaker 2: women who were descinded pro whether she had the ability

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Speaker 2: or not, they were screaming out for her. And that's

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Speaker 2: when they're announced on day one of the change from

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Speaker 2: Andrew Little to Cinda Durn that the cinder many had

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Speaker 2: broken out. How fiction that was, as you well know.

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Speaker 2: Did you try when the ends here left being the leader?

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Speaker 2: He was on thirty five when she finished with a

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Speaker 2: straight campaign, she only got to thirty seven. So that's

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Speaker 2: my point about how you lose the edge. And we're

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Speaker 2: staying out to the New Zealanders. Don't ask me to

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Speaker 2: bit the bottom line. You give me the tools and

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Speaker 2: we'll finish the.

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Speaker 1: Job, okay, just so that we can get the historical

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Speaker 1: record correct. Did you try in the coalition negotiations in

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen to get it across the line.

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Speaker 2: We talked to him about it, Yes, we did, and

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Speaker 2: did they say no? And I just saidn't just telling

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Speaker 2: you right now? The lair place, said I didn't raise it.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it amazing because when they're saying that I've got

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Speaker 2: an article in front of me, but says that they

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Speaker 2: did mention it to us.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's all there. The reason I'm saying I won't

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Speaker 1: be the only voter who's skeptical about this is because

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Speaker 1: you yourself have promised it in twenty seventeen, didn't get

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Speaker 1: it across the line, didn't deliver it, didn't John Key

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Speaker 1: also campaign on it and then not end up doing it.

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Speaker 1: It just feels like it's one of those things that

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Speaker 1: that that is always put out there in a campaign,

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Speaker 1: but then once it actually comes to the showdown, nobody

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Speaker 1: does it.

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Speaker 2: Well, really, I'm the guy A campaigned for MMP and

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Speaker 2: that changed dramatically and there was a referendum to one

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Speaker 2: three and by mind ninety nine six you had MMP

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Speaker 2: see the difference, and they promised under MMP at the

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Speaker 2: time that would prove to maraw we didn't need the

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Speaker 2: Mara seats. That time has well and twy come. But

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Speaker 2: the performance of late of the Taparti Mara and their

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Speaker 2: scathing decision not if you've been part of the system.

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Speaker 2: That is they're defending seats when they don't want to

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Speaker 2: income to Parliament, they want a separate parliament. And alongside that,

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Speaker 2: you saw the way they treated Penna Henna are getting

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Speaker 2: cheated massively in his seat in the twenty twenty two election.

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Speaker 2: All the things in alignment, there is no need anymore

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Speaker 2: for the Mari seats.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So, so I don't know if you answer my

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Speaker 1: question as to whether it's a bottom line or not.

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Speaker 2: Well, I said to you, you know, as you're saying

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Speaker 2: it's the bottom line is I don't give you the tools.

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Speaker 2: How can it be a bottom line. If you walk

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Speaker 2: in there with not enough boats, you're not gonna be

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Speaker 2: able to get there. If you walk into the stacker boats,

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Speaker 2: it's all over rover.

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Speaker 1: Are you going to have any bottom lines?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Will this be one of them?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm going to become the minister, the Minister for broadcasting,

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Speaker 2: and what are you going to do to me? No,

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Speaker 2: you're okay, but it's mainstream media. I'm going to fix

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Speaker 2: up because they're back of biased, bigger than people serious.

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Speaker 1: Seriously, Minister for Broadcasting.

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Speaker 2: Hang on the reason why, and they're going to start

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Speaker 2: being responsible to the usial taxpayer's paying for them and

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Speaker 2: not making up the whole scenarios that go along. Am

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Speaker 2: I being responsible? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I am?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no.

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Speaker 1: I didn't ask if you're being responsible. I asked if

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Speaker 1: you're being serious, like this is going to be a

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Speaker 1: bottom line to be the Minister of Broadcasting.

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Speaker 2: Well, I thought you'd be kicking up for me to everyone.

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Speaker 1: Can you get rid of the BSA?

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Speaker 2: Second, because because the BSA have totally lost their understanding

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Speaker 2: of what their responsibilities are, there's no reason to get

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Speaker 2: rid of the BSA. Get rid of the people who

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Speaker 2: on the BSA. That's how you handle it. Don't get

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Speaker 2: don't get rid of a way, don't get rid of

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Speaker 2: a tool that's been part of our ordered civilization just

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Speaker 2: because some people decide that they don't want to respec.

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Speaker 1: Well, we can have a debate. We can have a

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Speaker 1: debate about whether you should have a BSA when you

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Speaker 1: can only actually control domestic media and most of us

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Speaker 1: are consuming so much international media. But but but I'm

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Speaker 1: interesting and I'm pleased to hear this from you. But listen,

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Speaker 1: before you go, can I ask you about this water

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Speaker 1: tax business in the RMA. You cross this?

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Speaker 2: Well, what do you mean what?

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Speaker 1: Well, apparently, according to Federative Farmers. They have gone through

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Speaker 1: Chris Bishop's RM and there's a water tax in there.

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Speaker 1: He wants to be able to implement water tax on

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Speaker 1: farmers and apparently we have an exemption. Are you aware

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Speaker 1: of this.

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Speaker 2: Of half of that heary exemption, I've always been aware

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Speaker 2: of as to the adversity of the other part that

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Speaker 2: the Pevator farmers are talking about. Let me chake that

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Speaker 2: out first before we rush to judgment.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well cool, I'll leave that with you. Winston, thanks

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Speaker 1: very much, appreciate. It's Winston Peter's New Zealand first party leading.

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