1 00:00:06,707 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,747 --> 00:00:12,867 Speaker 1: from newstalk zedb SO. 3 00:00:12,947 --> 00:00:15,387 Speaker 2: As mentioned, the big story of the week landed on Wednesday, 4 00:00:15,547 --> 00:00:20,107 Speaker 2: Caine Williamson turning down a New Zealand Cricket central contract. 5 00:00:20,147 --> 00:00:23,987 Speaker 2: He'll instead move to a casual playing contract that's going 6 00:00:24,027 --> 00:00:27,507 Speaker 2: to allow him to take up overseas T twenty franchise contracts, 7 00:00:27,787 --> 00:00:31,067 Speaker 2: and he's confirmed he'll play in the South African competition, 8 00:00:31,467 --> 00:00:33,987 Speaker 2: which runs in the month of January. Now New Zealand 9 00:00:34,347 --> 00:00:37,627 Speaker 2: have no scheduled internationals in January, which in itself is 10 00:00:37,707 --> 00:00:40,787 Speaker 2: quite odd, but the fact remains. But New Zealand Cricket's 11 00:00:40,867 --> 00:00:44,827 Speaker 2: rules don't let a player take a central contract if 12 00:00:45,187 --> 00:00:49,827 Speaker 2: any overseas deal can conflict with availability during the home summer. 13 00:00:50,187 --> 00:00:52,707 Speaker 2: So the fact that Kin Williamson's taken up this playing 14 00:00:52,707 --> 00:00:55,307 Speaker 2: contract in South Africa means he can't take a New 15 00:00:55,427 --> 00:00:59,107 Speaker 2: Zealand central contract. He'll also, because he's not on the 16 00:00:59,147 --> 00:01:03,507 Speaker 2: contracted list, relinquished captaincy of our white ball sides. But 17 00:01:04,107 --> 00:01:06,347 Speaker 2: in speaking to the media when he got back from 18 00:01:06,467 --> 00:01:10,507 Speaker 2: T twenty World Cup came Williamson re emphasized his long 19 00:01:10,627 --> 00:01:13,147 Speaker 2: term commitment to the black Caps in all three formats. 20 00:01:13,187 --> 00:01:16,907 Speaker 3: That's simply the contract, which you know, for the rules 21 00:01:16,907 --> 00:01:19,827 Speaker 3: that currently exists, meant that I wasn't able to have one. 22 00:01:19,827 --> 00:01:21,747 Speaker 3: But in terms of playing for New Zealand, I'm not 23 00:01:21,827 --> 00:01:25,387 Speaker 3: missing almost any cricket really, so that was important to me. 24 00:01:25,627 --> 00:01:29,347 Speaker 2: So the shifting sands of the global cricketing landscape continue 25 00:01:29,387 --> 00:01:33,507 Speaker 2: to take us into uncharted territory in terms of player availability, contracting, 26 00:01:33,907 --> 00:01:37,267 Speaker 2: and the ongoing battle for relevance in the international game 27 00:01:37,667 --> 00:01:41,747 Speaker 2: amidst the proliferation of T twenty leagues right around the 28 00:01:41,747 --> 00:01:45,867 Speaker 2: world and right across the calendar year. Greg Barclay is 29 00:01:45,907 --> 00:01:48,987 Speaker 2: the chair of the ICC. He joins us from the 30 00:01:48,987 --> 00:01:51,907 Speaker 2: West Indies, where he is watching the T twenty World 31 00:01:52,027 --> 00:01:54,587 Speaker 2: Cup unfold. Greg, maybe let's start with that. What is 32 00:01:54,587 --> 00:01:57,187 Speaker 2: your assessment of the way the T twenty World Cup 33 00:01:57,187 --> 00:01:57,947 Speaker 2: has gone so far? 34 00:01:59,347 --> 00:02:02,587 Speaker 4: Well? Interesting enough. I have actually just liked he I 35 00:02:02,667 --> 00:02:08,027 Speaker 4: spent most of the tournament today that we sort of 36 00:02:08,027 --> 00:02:10,667 Speaker 4: split the two territories and half myself in gif Amidas 37 00:02:10,707 --> 00:02:13,267 Speaker 4: as the CEO. So I got the States for better 38 00:02:13,347 --> 00:02:15,707 Speaker 4: or for worse, but at a two or three days 39 00:02:15,707 --> 00:02:17,947 Speaker 4: in Dallas, then up to New York for I think 40 00:02:17,987 --> 00:02:21,787 Speaker 4: about eight days down to Miami and jumped on a 41 00:02:21,787 --> 00:02:24,627 Speaker 4: plane from Miami, I think three days ago you get 42 00:02:24,627 --> 00:02:28,547 Speaker 4: to Barbados. So really, my you know, Miami observations have 43 00:02:28,627 --> 00:02:32,347 Speaker 4: been of the US, which was a pretty positive experience. Actually, yeah, just. 44 00:02:32,507 --> 00:02:34,987 Speaker 2: Tell us more about that. How did the how are 45 00:02:34,987 --> 00:02:39,387 Speaker 2: the games you know, received by the American sporting public, who, 46 00:02:39,547 --> 00:02:41,187 Speaker 2: let's face it, have a lot of sport they can 47 00:02:41,307 --> 00:02:42,187 Speaker 2: they can get involved in. 48 00:02:43,267 --> 00:02:43,467 Speaker 1: Yeah. 49 00:02:43,467 --> 00:02:47,507 Speaker 4: Absolutely, and you know, there's no doubt that craigns nowhere 50 00:02:47,507 --> 00:02:50,187 Speaker 4: near the level of the main American sports or the 51 00:02:50,187 --> 00:02:53,827 Speaker 4: main American codes at all. But I was pleasantly surprised 52 00:02:53,827 --> 00:02:56,987 Speaker 4: at just how much interest there was, how much uptake, 53 00:02:58,347 --> 00:03:02,707 Speaker 4: the involvement of the fans and whatnot. Particularly well, Dallas 54 00:03:02,787 --> 00:03:05,827 Speaker 4: was great. I didn't realize I've got something an excessive 55 00:03:06,427 --> 00:03:10,267 Speaker 4: twenty teams that play in competitions across Dallas. It's a 56 00:03:10,267 --> 00:03:13,707 Speaker 4: big place, begg than I'd realized. And a nice little 57 00:03:13,707 --> 00:03:18,667 Speaker 4: ground three New Zealand like ground eight thousand people possibly 58 00:03:18,667 --> 00:03:21,507 Speaker 4: something like that, sitting in a tree sort of line 59 00:03:21,707 --> 00:03:25,267 Speaker 4: of trees around the park. So that was pretty familiar 60 00:03:25,267 --> 00:03:29,267 Speaker 4: for me as a Kiwi and again presently surprised us 61 00:03:29,307 --> 00:03:31,587 Speaker 4: with the level of interest, went up to New York 62 00:03:31,627 --> 00:03:34,667 Speaker 4: where we'd obviously had the purchase built stadium which was 63 00:03:35,227 --> 00:03:38,427 Speaker 4: absolutely amazing thirty four thousand people. And by the time 64 00:03:38,467 --> 00:03:42,427 Speaker 4: we got the India Pakistan game where it was full 65 00:03:42,507 --> 00:03:46,547 Speaker 4: and loud and colorful and whatnot, it was severed. And 66 00:03:46,907 --> 00:03:49,987 Speaker 4: I think by that point helped well Boyd and no 67 00:03:50,507 --> 00:03:54,707 Speaker 4: short part by the performance of the USA team. Crickett 68 00:03:54,747 --> 00:03:56,787 Speaker 4: was appearing on the front page the New York Times 69 00:03:56,787 --> 00:04:00,827 Speaker 4: and was being beamed out live in terms of stories 70 00:04:00,827 --> 00:04:04,307 Speaker 4: and storylines across some of the major channels. Television channels 71 00:04:04,947 --> 00:04:08,907 Speaker 4: had a lot of the corporate interest of political interest. 72 00:04:09,027 --> 00:04:12,947 Speaker 4: So it was really really pleasing, much better progress and 73 00:04:13,027 --> 00:04:15,227 Speaker 4: much bitter profile than I actually thought that we would get. 74 00:04:16,707 --> 00:04:18,747 Speaker 2: Terrific stuff. All right, Well, a piece of news that 75 00:04:18,787 --> 00:04:20,907 Speaker 2: I'm sure you've caught up with back here in New 76 00:04:20,987 --> 00:04:24,587 Speaker 2: Zealand Cain Williamson turning down a central contract with New 77 00:04:24,667 --> 00:04:27,867 Speaker 2: Zealand Cricket in favor of playing T twenty franchise cricket 78 00:04:27,867 --> 00:04:30,267 Speaker 2: initially in South Africa. He's still intends to play for 79 00:04:30,267 --> 00:04:34,227 Speaker 2: New Zealand when available. Greg. From a global point of view, 80 00:04:34,387 --> 00:04:36,227 Speaker 2: do you think this is a trend we're likely to 81 00:04:36,267 --> 00:04:39,987 Speaker 2: see more of, with players turning down central contracts in 82 00:04:40,027 --> 00:04:42,867 Speaker 2: favor of T twenty franchise opportunity. 83 00:04:43,987 --> 00:04:47,187 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I do, undoubtedly. I just think that it's 84 00:04:47,227 --> 00:04:50,947 Speaker 4: part of the evolution of the game that at the 85 00:04:51,027 --> 00:04:53,187 Speaker 4: end of the league says well, So I think it's 86 00:04:53,187 --> 00:04:55,987 Speaker 4: a really really positive thing for cricket. It's something that 87 00:04:56,987 --> 00:04:59,827 Speaker 4: probably has taken some of the administrators and some of 88 00:04:59,827 --> 00:05:03,867 Speaker 4: the boards and wills, and I don't know that the 89 00:05:04,747 --> 00:05:09,347 Speaker 4: appropriate ethic or recognition of that has, you know, perhaps 90 00:05:09,587 --> 00:05:14,307 Speaker 4: have home yet my views that we should be embracing 91 00:05:14,387 --> 00:05:16,867 Speaker 4: working with the leagues more as I say that they're 92 00:05:16,867 --> 00:05:18,507 Speaker 4: here and they hear the standing and to grow, they 93 00:05:18,547 --> 00:05:21,667 Speaker 4: can be going to continue to be a big feature 94 00:05:21,707 --> 00:05:26,027 Speaker 4: on the cricketing landscape. So yeah, I think that the 95 00:05:26,107 --> 00:05:31,347 Speaker 4: traditional approaches and models of contracting will need to change, 96 00:05:31,627 --> 00:05:33,747 Speaker 4: and we need to recognize the fact that the players 97 00:05:33,747 --> 00:05:35,307 Speaker 4: are going to be a lot more fluid in terms 98 00:05:35,307 --> 00:05:40,227 Speaker 4: of their movements across the franchises, in the leagues and 99 00:05:40,507 --> 00:05:45,587 Speaker 4: perhaps the traditional international program. So yeah, it's just the 100 00:05:45,667 --> 00:05:48,707 Speaker 4: beginning of a trend that I think we'll see grow 101 00:05:49,027 --> 00:05:49,987 Speaker 4: over a period of time. 102 00:05:50,427 --> 00:05:52,787 Speaker 2: How much resistance do you expect from some of your 103 00:05:52,827 --> 00:05:58,187 Speaker 2: member nations to this trend, this change in the cricketing landscape. 104 00:05:59,707 --> 00:06:02,667 Speaker 4: Well, it's an interesting question. We could talk for agents 105 00:06:02,707 --> 00:06:04,627 Speaker 4: about it, but yeah, I've got to be an environment. 106 00:06:04,707 --> 00:06:08,187 Speaker 4: Those leagues are actually predominantly domestic leagues of each of 107 00:06:08,267 --> 00:06:13,467 Speaker 4: those media countries, so they're perpetuating the issue by looking 108 00:06:13,507 --> 00:06:18,427 Speaker 4: to generate both revenue and interest out of their own leagues. 109 00:06:18,467 --> 00:06:20,467 Speaker 4: And we've we've got two or three that have come 110 00:06:20,507 --> 00:06:23,787 Speaker 4: along runs from me recently South Africa, I think being 111 00:06:23,827 --> 00:06:27,867 Speaker 4: the obvious run, which has put itself into a window 112 00:06:27,947 --> 00:06:32,187 Speaker 4: that since the top both the U League and more 113 00:06:32,947 --> 00:06:35,707 Speaker 4: so the Australian League. So yes, there's a little bit 114 00:06:35,707 --> 00:06:38,547 Speaker 4: of banks to the MAXI administrators more I think more 115 00:06:38,587 --> 00:06:41,627 Speaker 4: so that their players are getting more and more options 116 00:06:41,667 --> 00:06:44,747 Speaker 4: and are more likely madbe to move away from the 117 00:06:44,827 --> 00:06:49,907 Speaker 4: leagues of those particular countries. But I think they're really 118 00:06:49,947 --> 00:06:52,467 Speaker 4: interesting trenders that a company of the associate countries already 119 00:06:52,507 --> 00:06:55,987 Speaker 4: spoke about. The UA have a league up and running 120 00:06:56,027 --> 00:06:58,507 Speaker 4: now and done. Of course, the US themselves have got 121 00:06:58,627 --> 00:07:01,227 Speaker 4: Major League crickets, so they're moving into I think the 122 00:07:01,267 --> 00:07:05,107 Speaker 4: third oberation with an additional team coming up the season, 123 00:07:05,307 --> 00:07:08,067 Speaker 4: So with six teams there and the ReSm amount of 124 00:07:08,507 --> 00:07:12,507 Speaker 4: backing going into the world's biggest sports market, I think 125 00:07:12,547 --> 00:07:15,867 Speaker 4: that that's an interesting development to see. Associate country is 126 00:07:15,907 --> 00:07:22,307 Speaker 4: now starting to become a provider of opportunity and a 127 00:07:22,387 --> 00:07:27,387 Speaker 4: competitor to the more established leagues. So that's probably something 128 00:07:27,427 --> 00:07:30,027 Speaker 4: we're giving will be giving a few of those boards 129 00:07:31,307 --> 00:07:35,187 Speaker 4: maybe time to stop and think about what that might 130 00:07:35,267 --> 00:07:39,187 Speaker 4: mean for them, for their leagues and in the calendar generally. 131 00:07:39,747 --> 00:07:43,627 Speaker 2: Greg, what is the best model for the happy coexistence 132 00:07:43,827 --> 00:07:47,827 Speaker 2: of international cricket and T twenty franchise leagues. 133 00:07:50,667 --> 00:07:57,787 Speaker 4: I think that a collective meeting the minds, some collaboration 134 00:07:57,947 --> 00:08:02,147 Speaker 4: and cooperation around windows. You know that the calendar, as 135 00:08:02,147 --> 00:08:03,667 Speaker 4: we all know, I can't give me beaga. We've got 136 00:08:03,667 --> 00:08:06,187 Speaker 4: Threeadland sixty five days. We're playing a lot of cricket. 137 00:08:06,347 --> 00:08:08,667 Speaker 4: We're trying to jam more and more credit in that calendar. 138 00:08:09,027 --> 00:08:12,227 Speaker 4: A lot of that is bilateral cricket, which is lacking 139 00:08:12,267 --> 00:08:16,947 Speaker 4: in context, lacking in and relevance. It's been played simply 140 00:08:16,947 --> 00:08:22,947 Speaker 4: because we've got a full contracts to broadcasters and other 141 00:08:22,987 --> 00:08:29,227 Speaker 4: commercial partners. At some point and I listened to. He 142 00:08:29,347 --> 00:08:32,107 Speaker 4: Fails in an interview in New Zealand a few days ago, 143 00:08:32,267 --> 00:08:37,107 Speaker 4: made the point that we need to know again rationalize 144 00:08:37,507 --> 00:08:41,107 Speaker 4: the windows within that calendar. And to do that, I 145 00:08:41,147 --> 00:08:43,587 Speaker 4: think that the boards are going to have to do 146 00:08:43,667 --> 00:08:47,587 Speaker 4: something differently around bilateral cricket because the leads themselves, as 147 00:08:47,587 --> 00:08:51,547 Speaker 4: I say they are, they're growing, They're becoming a bigger 148 00:08:51,587 --> 00:08:55,867 Speaker 4: part of our landscape, and they're going to take probably 149 00:08:55,947 --> 00:09:00,307 Speaker 4: given the ability to remunerate some of those better players 150 00:09:00,347 --> 00:09:02,787 Speaker 4: around the world, they're going to take more and more presidents. 151 00:09:03,667 --> 00:09:06,187 Speaker 4: It's just a trend that we can see happening. It's 152 00:09:06,467 --> 00:09:09,067 Speaker 4: going to continue. So yeah, I just think that there 153 00:09:09,147 --> 00:09:14,467 Speaker 4: is strategic thinking needed amongst member boards and a bit 154 00:09:14,467 --> 00:09:19,187 Speaker 4: more collaboration co operation to creat more established windows we 155 00:09:19,307 --> 00:09:20,787 Speaker 4: were playing international crickets. 156 00:09:21,347 --> 00:09:23,507 Speaker 2: Yeah, So is that what we're talking about here in 157 00:09:23,587 --> 00:09:28,707 Speaker 2: terms of keeping bilateral series relevant and giving them context 158 00:09:29,627 --> 00:09:32,467 Speaker 2: what they must what they exist in different windows than 159 00:09:32,467 --> 00:09:34,907 Speaker 2: they currently do. What is the best way forward for 160 00:09:34,947 --> 00:09:36,587 Speaker 2: them to retain their relevance? 161 00:09:38,307 --> 00:09:42,947 Speaker 4: Well, I think you as you said context relevance now 162 00:09:42,947 --> 00:09:45,747 Speaker 4: and then on the reason we involved in cricket, and 163 00:09:46,027 --> 00:09:48,947 Speaker 4: I'm strigking to tell you what series have been played 164 00:09:48,987 --> 00:09:51,907 Speaker 4: outside the tests, maybe even bluting tests over the last 165 00:09:51,947 --> 00:09:54,187 Speaker 4: twelve minutes. You know, there is a lot of cricket 166 00:09:54,187 --> 00:09:57,307 Speaker 4: that's been played that it doesn't really have context, doesn't 167 00:09:57,347 --> 00:10:01,947 Speaker 4: have meaning. So again, somehow we've we've got to establish meaning, 168 00:10:02,387 --> 00:10:06,947 Speaker 4: We've got to baby drive demand t Ski City. I 169 00:10:07,027 --> 00:10:09,987 Speaker 4: just think that there's starting much cricket that's been played 170 00:10:10,107 --> 00:10:12,387 Speaker 4: at the moment, and it's been played, as I say, 171 00:10:12,387 --> 00:10:15,147 Speaker 4: in a haphazard manner, right across that calendar. We could 172 00:10:15,267 --> 00:10:18,787 Speaker 4: move it in the better windows with more context, I 173 00:10:18,787 --> 00:10:21,387 Speaker 4: think that we would start to prehap some of the 174 00:10:21,387 --> 00:10:22,227 Speaker 4: issues that we've got. 175 00:10:23,307 --> 00:10:26,067 Speaker 2: Has the World Test Championship achieved the goal of making 176 00:10:26,147 --> 00:10:27,427 Speaker 2: Test cricket more relevant? 177 00:10:28,667 --> 00:10:31,147 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that it has. Bear in mind that 178 00:10:31,187 --> 00:10:34,787 Speaker 4: we've got nine countries that participated in the World Test Championship. 179 00:10:34,827 --> 00:10:39,387 Speaker 4: Three four members or three Tests playing countries aren't participating 180 00:10:39,387 --> 00:10:41,787 Speaker 4: in the World Test Championship. But I think that one 181 00:10:41,827 --> 00:10:44,387 Speaker 4: of the things that has made Test cricket a lot 182 00:10:44,427 --> 00:10:46,507 Speaker 4: more interesting is the fact that every time you're playing, 183 00:10:47,707 --> 00:10:50,587 Speaker 4: the points are going towards something, which is of course 184 00:10:50,667 --> 00:10:56,387 Speaker 4: the by an your World Test Championship. So there is 185 00:10:56,427 --> 00:11:02,667 Speaker 4: interesting I met a badge leading into the World Test Championship, 186 00:11:03,187 --> 00:11:06,947 Speaker 4: the second World Test Championship final. I know that there 187 00:11:07,027 --> 00:11:09,227 Speaker 4: was massive interest in the New Zealand shir Anka series 188 00:11:09,267 --> 00:11:11,867 Speaker 4: going on at that time, because of course Sharanka still 189 00:11:11,907 --> 00:11:14,107 Speaker 4: could have qualified for that depending on how they performed 190 00:11:14,107 --> 00:11:15,907 Speaker 4: against New Zealand. So despite the fact that I was 191 00:11:15,907 --> 00:11:19,787 Speaker 4: watching Australia play India, who you know one of them 192 00:11:19,827 --> 00:11:23,587 Speaker 4: could have put it well missed out. The interest in 193 00:11:23,627 --> 00:11:26,507 Speaker 4: the New Zealand Sharanka series was actually was actually huge 194 00:11:26,787 --> 00:11:29,627 Speaker 4: simply because the outcome of that series made it dictated 195 00:11:29,987 --> 00:11:33,187 Speaker 4: what happened with India and Australia. So yes, I think 196 00:11:33,187 --> 00:11:36,747 Speaker 4: that it's it's not perfect, there's probably more work that 197 00:11:36,787 --> 00:11:38,267 Speaker 4: could be done, but yes, I think that it has 198 00:11:38,347 --> 00:11:41,987 Speaker 4: helped to create relevance back to the cricket and certainly 199 00:11:42,027 --> 00:11:44,907 Speaker 4: rejuvenated interest in the long perform of the game. 200 00:11:45,507 --> 00:11:47,987 Speaker 2: What do you see as the future of fifty over 201 00:11:48,027 --> 00:11:52,387 Speaker 2: cricket greg both bilateral and World Cups. 202 00:11:53,467 --> 00:11:57,587 Speaker 4: Look, I think that fifty cricket has a place to play, 203 00:11:57,627 --> 00:12:00,707 Speaker 4: without a doubt. It's probably the problem child of the 204 00:12:01,667 --> 00:12:04,307 Speaker 4: three forms of the game at the moment, but that's 205 00:12:04,347 --> 00:12:08,627 Speaker 4: because maybe the ad minister across the board having quite 206 00:12:09,187 --> 00:12:11,467 Speaker 4: managed to do what we've done with some of the 207 00:12:11,507 --> 00:12:14,987 Speaker 4: other forms, which is to again harp on about the 208 00:12:15,027 --> 00:12:18,067 Speaker 4: context and the relevance. But if we had those series 209 00:12:18,187 --> 00:12:21,947 Speaker 4: starting to contribute in some way toward qualifying for World Cups, 210 00:12:22,347 --> 00:12:26,147 Speaker 4: I think that the one day game would received quite 211 00:12:26,187 --> 00:12:28,467 Speaker 4: a shot in the arm. And we shouldn't be side 212 00:12:28,467 --> 00:12:31,707 Speaker 4: of the fact that One Day Cricket is still the 213 00:12:31,747 --> 00:12:34,587 Speaker 4: most followed form of the game in terms of icy 214 00:12:34,627 --> 00:12:37,067 Speaker 4: cy events. It's the plinacle of the icy c events 215 00:12:37,107 --> 00:12:41,267 Speaker 4: that fifty over World Cup, and it's the most lucrative 216 00:12:42,307 --> 00:12:45,387 Speaker 4: part of the ICC's program as well, So there's a 217 00:12:45,387 --> 00:12:49,347 Speaker 4: message interest in it from a World Cup point of view. 218 00:12:49,707 --> 00:12:51,787 Speaker 4: We're just going to do better, I think, to make 219 00:12:51,827 --> 00:12:54,987 Speaker 4: sure that the way that we qualify it drives and 220 00:12:55,067 --> 00:12:58,547 Speaker 4: drives interest in the fifty other games. So I think 221 00:12:58,587 --> 00:13:05,507 Speaker 4: that it's eminently capable of being saved and put back 222 00:13:05,547 --> 00:13:10,267 Speaker 4: into some form of relevance. It's just a case of 223 00:13:10,347 --> 00:13:13,267 Speaker 4: again working on that calendar to work out where it 224 00:13:13,387 --> 00:13:16,387 Speaker 4: sits and again how we build that sort of elevance. 225 00:13:16,427 --> 00:13:20,107 Speaker 4: But rather than playing numerous menless series across the course 226 00:13:20,107 --> 00:13:22,587 Speaker 4: of the year. If we could suddenly limit those and 227 00:13:22,627 --> 00:13:25,187 Speaker 4: make them count to something, I think that people would 228 00:13:25,827 --> 00:13:27,587 Speaker 4: start to follow it a lot more closely. 229 00:13:28,027 --> 00:13:30,307 Speaker 2: And this might seem like a slightly odd question, given 230 00:13:30,347 --> 00:13:32,267 Speaker 2: we're in the middle of a T twenty World Cup, 231 00:13:32,307 --> 00:13:35,667 Speaker 2: But can you see a scenario where T twenty cricket 232 00:13:35,707 --> 00:13:40,627 Speaker 2: is only played by franchise teams and not international teams? 233 00:13:41,747 --> 00:13:45,667 Speaker 4: Yeah, I can, actually, I think that that's I don't 234 00:13:45,787 --> 00:13:48,827 Speaker 4: know that that would necessarily happen. I guess the limitation 235 00:13:48,947 --> 00:13:52,227 Speaker 4: there is that it's still the most lucrative form of 236 00:13:53,267 --> 00:13:58,267 Speaker 4: for most of the bilateral participants, it's the most lucrative 237 00:13:58,307 --> 00:14:03,107 Speaker 4: form of the game, so you know, international T twenty 238 00:14:03,107 --> 00:14:06,307 Speaker 4: cricket has relevance. But yes, I can certainly see if 239 00:14:06,467 --> 00:14:08,907 Speaker 4: if we could work to a point where they're said, 240 00:14:08,907 --> 00:14:11,667 Speaker 4: at the outset better was a better level of cooperation 241 00:14:11,787 --> 00:14:16,787 Speaker 4: collaboration between the leagues and bilateral cricket that yes, maybe 242 00:14:16,787 --> 00:14:19,707 Speaker 4: there was a very limited amount of international cricket plague 243 00:14:21,267 --> 00:14:24,067 Speaker 4: in the twinnie game and a lot more across the 244 00:14:24,147 --> 00:14:29,987 Speaker 4: league or the franchise competitions. So yes, I think that 245 00:14:29,987 --> 00:14:33,947 Speaker 4: that's one of the potential outcomes, depending on how the 246 00:14:34,107 --> 00:14:37,187 Speaker 4: how the calendar gets rationalized, which will which will need 247 00:14:37,227 --> 00:14:40,827 Speaker 4: to because if it's not done in a measure manner, 248 00:14:40,907 --> 00:14:43,507 Speaker 4: then it's going to happen anyway, because something will break 249 00:14:43,827 --> 00:14:47,067 Speaker 4: and it will force an outcome to enable the calendar 250 00:14:47,187 --> 00:14:47,587 Speaker 4: to work. 251 00:14:48,667 --> 00:14:50,387 Speaker 2: And just to finish, Greg, if we bring it back 252 00:14:50,387 --> 00:14:53,507 Speaker 2: to New Zealand, I know obviously you're chair of the 253 00:14:53,507 --> 00:14:56,387 Speaker 2: i c C. But in New Zealand, your home country. 254 00:14:56,587 --> 00:14:59,987 Speaker 2: What what should the immediate priorities be for Scott Ween 255 00:15:00,467 --> 00:15:03,107 Speaker 2: and his team at the moment as they contemplate what 256 00:15:03,147 --> 00:15:05,827 Speaker 2: cricket will look like over the next you say, three 257 00:15:05,827 --> 00:15:07,227 Speaker 2: to five years. 258 00:15:06,387 --> 00:15:10,987 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that New Zealand credit has gone really well. 259 00:15:11,027 --> 00:15:15,427 Speaker 4: They've they didn't play so well in this tournament, but gee, 260 00:15:15,467 --> 00:15:20,587 Speaker 4: they've performed amazingly well over the last ten years or so. 261 00:15:21,707 --> 00:15:25,147 Speaker 4: You know, they've been consistent semi finalists across world events. 262 00:15:25,147 --> 00:15:29,547 Speaker 4: Sitting an inside woman, maybe batting a little bit, but 263 00:15:29,587 --> 00:15:33,027 Speaker 4: they're still there are thereabouts, you know, in the top four. 264 00:15:33,107 --> 00:15:36,107 Speaker 4: So both me and a woman sitting there, there are 265 00:15:36,107 --> 00:15:37,907 Speaker 4: thereabouts in the top four. So I want to get 266 00:15:37,907 --> 00:15:41,107 Speaker 4: too upset about what's happened here. You know, plenty good 267 00:15:41,107 --> 00:15:43,627 Speaker 4: teams have missed out on semi finals at world events. 268 00:15:43,667 --> 00:15:47,467 Speaker 4: It's perhaps just a time to reset, reflect on things. 269 00:15:47,747 --> 00:15:51,827 Speaker 4: There's no doubt that the team's starting to perhaps mature 270 00:15:51,867 --> 00:15:55,187 Speaker 4: where we're going to see some of our head performing 271 00:15:55,227 --> 00:15:58,827 Speaker 4: players over paiing time moving on our trench and one 272 00:15:58,907 --> 00:16:01,387 Speaker 4: or two others and that's followed two or three others 273 00:16:01,427 --> 00:16:04,387 Speaker 4: that have left the game of recent times. But I 274 00:16:04,467 --> 00:16:06,747 Speaker 4: see a lot of good players coming through. I think 275 00:16:06,747 --> 00:16:09,707 Speaker 4: the high performance programs serve US and cricket World the 276 00:16:09,827 --> 00:16:13,667 Speaker 4: financially in a good position, so I just think stick 277 00:16:13,707 --> 00:16:15,947 Speaker 4: with them. If Scott it wouldn't be changing too much. 278 00:16:15,987 --> 00:16:18,227 Speaker 4: But I do think that one of the things that 279 00:16:18,387 --> 00:16:21,987 Speaker 4: is critical is too is to be flexible around the 280 00:16:22,267 --> 00:16:25,827 Speaker 4: way the game is evolving into into contract accordingly and 281 00:16:25,907 --> 00:16:30,147 Speaker 4: to maintain a sustainable relationship with the players to ensure 282 00:16:30,147 --> 00:16:33,907 Speaker 4: that that's still available for international cricket throughout throughout the 283 00:16:33,947 --> 00:16:37,547 Speaker 4: course of the year, whilst enabling them to pursue opportunity 284 00:16:37,747 --> 00:16:39,987 Speaker 4: through the through the leagues without a doubt. But but 285 00:16:40,147 --> 00:16:43,547 Speaker 4: I'm really optimistic for if he's an impregiance a huge 286 00:16:43,867 --> 00:16:48,107 Speaker 4: I think it's waking from a really good base will 287 00:16:48,107 --> 00:16:51,707 Speaker 4: be absolutely fine, and it's proud key, I'm sure that 288 00:16:51,747 --> 00:16:52,187 Speaker 4: we will be. 289 00:16:52,667 --> 00:16:55,027 Speaker 2: It's an ever changing landscape for a lot of people 290 00:16:55,067 --> 00:16:57,867 Speaker 2: to navigate. Greg some interesting times, thanks so much for 291 00:16:58,107 --> 00:16:59,987 Speaker 2: thanks so much for taking the time to join us. Mate, 292 00:16:59,987 --> 00:17:01,347 Speaker 2: all the best, Wall catch up again soon. 293 00:17:02,267 --> 00:17:03,867 Speaker 4: That's fasure, Jason, Thank you very much. 294 00:17:04,427 --> 00:17:07,307 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason and Fine, listen 295 00:17:07,387 --> 00:17:10,627 Speaker 1: live to news Talks at B weekends from midday, or 296 00:17:10,707 --> 00:17:12,587 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.