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Speaker 1: The er.

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Speaker 2: The Education Review Office has called for a rethink of

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Speaker 2: NCAA Level one now. Its report says that the qualification

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Speaker 2: is not fair, not reliable, and more than a quarter

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Speaker 2: of schools are going to stop offering it next year now.

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Speaker 2: It also found seventy percent of employers have little faith

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Speaker 2: that level one actually equipped students with the right skills

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Speaker 2: and knowledge for employment. And the person in charge of

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Speaker 2: fixing up this particular shambles is obviously the Education Minister,

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Speaker 2: Erica Stanford, who's with us now.

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Speaker 1: Erica Halo, Good afternoon, Erica.

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Speaker 2: I'm well, thank you. Before we get into it, how

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Speaker 2: are you, because obviously you knew Nikki Kay quite well.

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Speaker 1: I did. She was my mentor when I came into Parliament.

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Speaker 1: She looked after me, She took me under her wing,

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Speaker 1: She shared all her knowledge, She got me through my

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Speaker 1: first Member's bill. She used to bring me kombcher and

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Speaker 1: her weird healthy food, you know, when we had issues

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Speaker 1: and problems. She was just such a lovely, kind, caring person.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just so heartbroken. It's it's just awful.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like, I mean, obviously, all the way back

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Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, when we knew that Nikki had been diagnosed.

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Speaker 2: We knew, I think most of us that it was

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Speaker 2: incurable and that eventually we'll catch her out right, but

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Speaker 2: she seemed reasonably healthy in the intervening years. So did

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Speaker 2: this just happened really fast?

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Speaker 1: I don't know about all the details of what happened,

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Speaker 1: but I think there's a lot of things that she

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Speaker 1: kept very close to herself and didn't share with other people.

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Speaker 1: That's just nicky.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough. Hey, listen on NCAA Level one, are

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Speaker 2: you open to scrapping it?

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Speaker 1: I need to make sure that we've got a rigorous,

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Speaker 1: internationally comparable national qualification that sets our kids up for success.

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Speaker 1: And this report clearly was the wake up call that

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Speaker 1: the system needed to make decisive and enduring change, and

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Speaker 1: that may well be taking a look at level one

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Speaker 1: and what is the purpose of it, because at the

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Speaker 1: moment it's trying to be a level up into level two,

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Speaker 1: and it's also trying to be as school leavers, and

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Speaker 1: in the end it's neither of those things. So it's

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Speaker 1: not working as it is. So we will take their

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Speaker 1: recommendations and consider them very seriously.

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Speaker 2: If we scraped level one, do we scrap level two?

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Speaker 2: And three.

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Speaker 1: I asked for this report because I knew that the

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Speaker 1: implementation of Level one was horrendous. When I asked for it,

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Speaker 1: I said to error, I need you to go far

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Speaker 1: and wide and get as much feedback as you can.

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Speaker 1: And they came back to me and said, Minister, yes,

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Speaker 1: there was terrible implementation, but we got bigger problems. Basically,

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Speaker 1: this report says there are structural issues and while Level

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Speaker 1: one is particularly bad, those are also evident in two

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Speaker 1: and three. Now, I'm not saying that those young people

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Speaker 1: have gone out and got you know, the level two

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Speaker 1: and three, I haven't got an excellent qualification because many

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Speaker 1: of those young people have gone on to extraordinary success.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that, but we certainly do need

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Speaker 1: to take a look at the structure, because, as you know,

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Speaker 1: kids can get halfway through the year and have either

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Speaker 1: realized they're failing and stopped or realized they've passed. Right.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, are you saying you keep level two and three,

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Speaker 2: you maybe get rid of the internal examinations or something

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Speaker 2: like that, you change it fundamentally.

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Speaker 1: I think that's right, and I think what we're looking

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Speaker 1: at I've already set up halfway through this year, a

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Speaker 1: policy advisory group of the best principles from around the

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Speaker 1: country from a range of different schools to provide me

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Speaker 1: advice on what I knew was going wrong. This report

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Speaker 1: will now focus their attention. They've already had a briefing

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Speaker 1: and they will report back to me next year on

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Speaker 1: how to solve these fundamental problems so that parents understand it,

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Speaker 1: so that teachers can have confidence, and that young people

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Speaker 1: can have something that they can strive for that they

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Speaker 1: know is a good qualification.

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Speaker 2: Erica, why don't we just go back to IB or

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Speaker 2: Cambridge internationally recognized.

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Speaker 1: We need a national qualification that is ours that we

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Speaker 1: can stand in mind and feel proud of well, because

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Speaker 1: IB doesn't serit every kid, neither does Cambridge. Cambridge as

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Speaker 1: exam focused, IB is very prescriptive on all of the

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Speaker 1: things you must do. You have to do a language

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Speaker 1: and it can't be today. Oh by the way, because

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Speaker 1: it's international, don't necessarily suit us. And if you want

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Speaker 1: to choose to do those at the school you're going

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Speaker 1: to that offer it, that's fine. But we need to

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Speaker 1: have our own qualification that is internationally comparable that we

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Speaker 1: can stand behind. But we need to make sure that

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Speaker 1: it's rigorous.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Hey, jeez, Erica, I don't know if I should

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Speaker 2: tell you this. We've come up with a nickname for you.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I don't.

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Speaker 2: Shall I not tell you?

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Speaker 1: Do you know what my kids call me? No, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: you go first swear at a Stanford they call me Skerka.

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Speaker 2: Which one's worse. Well, I'm glad you're so worried you're

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Speaker 2: going to give me a telling off for that, you know,

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Speaker 2: and and I've heard your telling offs are quite potty,

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Speaker 2: so I was worried about it. So I'm pleased that

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Speaker 2: please that you took that in the spirit it was intended.

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Speaker 1: My telegraphs aren't potty. That's terrible. No will mate mistakes.

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Speaker 1: And you know that the house, the order of the

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Speaker 1: House needs to be upheld in eric.

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Speaker 2: Please, in the scale of what happened in the last

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Speaker 2: few weeks, I think you're really on the mild end.

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Speaker 2: I think you're okay there, listen, thank you very much,

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Speaker 2: really appreciate your time. That's Eric A Stanford, the education minister.

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Speaker 2: Look at that, good sort. I took it in the

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Speaker 2: spirit it was intended. Now you know you're allowed to

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Speaker 2: call her that. For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive,

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