1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: The issue, the Interviews US and the Inside. Andrew Dickens 2 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: on the early edition with Smith City, New Zealand's furniture 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: beds and apply at store News Talks, it'd be that's good. 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 2: Morning to you and welcome to the program. It is 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 2: the ninth of December. It's Monday. I'm Andrew Dickens in 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: for Ryan Bridge, who will be on air later today. 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 2: You wait, you'll find out on the program today the 8 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 2: fall of Asad and the so called liberation of Syria. 9 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: Lean Goldsmith from Otaga University joins us just before six. 10 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: Did Tom Blundell save a spot in the Black Caps 11 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 2: with yesterday's ton and did Liam Lawson do enough? Elliott 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: Smith on Sport shortly, Gavin Gray from the UK's A 13 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: vicious storm bears down and the Greens have released their 14 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 2: admissions plans as Steve Abel from the party joins me 15 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 2: very very shortly. You can text me ninety two ninety two. 16 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 2: You can email Dickens at News Talks here b dot 17 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 2: co dot m zaire. Good morning to you and welcome 18 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 2: to your Monday. So the big story of the President's 19 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: palace in Damascus has been stormed by rebel troops as 20 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 2: Basha al Asad flees the country. The situation in. 21 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 3: The last twenty four hours has moved so rapidly as 22 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 3: the rebels advanced both from Drai in the south and 23 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 3: from Homps in the north to close in on the capitol. 24 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 3: And it's very clear that the Syrian army had no 25 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 3: stomach for this fight. They'd defected, they had surrendered, they retreated. 26 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 2: They got the hell out of had dodge, that's for sure. 27 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: So we'll have more in the situation in Syria. Just 28 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 2: after five thirty, just before the six Scott News, New 29 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 2: York police have released new photos of the suspected gunmen 30 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: who killed United Healthcare chief executive Brian Thompson. No, they 31 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: haven't found him yet. It shows the man in the 32 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: back of a taxi wearing a hoodie and a face mask. 33 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 2: The FBI is now offering a eighty five thousand dollars 34 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: reward for information leading to his Arrests to Korea and 35 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: public anger and protests have followed the failed vote to 36 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: impeach South Korea's president, and after aote martial law in 37 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: the middle of the night the other day, the ruling 38 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: party leader says the president, however, will be suspended. 39 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 3: The People Power Party will pursue an orderly departure of 40 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 3: the presidents in order to minimize confusion for the people. 41 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 4: Ah. 42 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. Unfortunately, only one hundred and ninety five members of 43 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 2: the Parliament attended the vote, and that was five less 44 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: than was required. And meanwhile, in Paris for the opening 45 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: of the Notre Dame, Vladimir Zelonsky has been talking and 46 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: in an a rare update, he's told reporters that forty 47 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: three thousand soldiers have been killed in its war with Russia. 48 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 2: That's forty three thousand. He claims that one hundred and 49 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: ninety eight thousand Russian troops had died remembered. Neither figure 50 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: has had an independent confirmation and the last time Zelonsky 51 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 2: gave such a death toll update was in February on. 52 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: Your Radio and online on iHeartRadio Early Edition with Andrew 53 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: Dickens and Smith City Zeeland's furniture beds and applying store 54 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: youth talks. 55 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: That'd be so look at the Syrian opposition fighters have 56 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: captured the capitol Damascus. They've declared victory on state television. 57 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 2: Russia says Basha al Aasad has left the country and 58 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: given orders for a peaceful transition. He's given up. His 59 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 2: whereabouts are unknown, which is a good thing for him, 60 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: because as soon as they're known, he won't be much longer. 61 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 2: Opposition groups have declared a curfew where people are celebrating 62 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: in the streets. The curfew runs from four o'clock in 63 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: the afternoon until five in the morning. Opposition leader Abu 64 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,119 Speaker 2: Mohammad al Julani says all state institutions will remain under 65 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: the supervision of Alissad's Prime minister until they're handed over officially. 66 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: We've got crowds of refugees abroad celebrating Alissad's fall and 67 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: planning to return home for the first time eight years. 68 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: You've got to say, clever, old rebels. You know, they 69 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: took a fifty year old dictatorship completely by surprise. It 70 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 2: took the whole world by surprise. We were all looking elsewhere. 71 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 2: We're looking down in Lebanon, we're looking down in Gaza, 72 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: and suddenly, what's happening up north? Oh, look at that. 73 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: They just waltz their way through and they are now 74 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: the new boss. And so the question for the world, 75 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 2: to quote the band the Who, when we meet the 76 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: new boss, will they be the same as the old boss. 77 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 2: Is this rarely a liberation of Syria? Or you were 78 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 2: out of the frying panel into the fire. Well, Doctor 79 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: Leam Goldsmith is the Otago University Professor for Middle Eastern 80 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: and Comparative Politics. That's a very long business card. It 81 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 2: was a very long sentence his title. He's going to 82 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 2: tin me just before six to talk about it now, 83 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: Andrew Diggins, I gotta talk about question of the day 84 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 2: for you. Are the boot camps are debacle after the 85 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 2: absconding of two of their members, pretty full on absconding 86 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: to be fair, when were talking car chases and machetes 87 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: and balaclavas and cops and spikes, and I guess it 88 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: shows just how criminal these youth offenders are. I think 89 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 2: it also shows just how expensive and difficult it will 90 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: be to get a positive result out of the process. 91 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 2: It took generations to make these toe rags. It's going 92 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: to take years to reform them. So my question for 93 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 2: you is is it worth it? Do the boot camps work? 94 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 2: Will they work? But then again, you got all these 95 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: camps like Chippy and everybody shouting, oh you've got to 96 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: abandon the boot camps. But what alternative Are they offering 97 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: what we've always done before? So your thoughts you can 98 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 2: text me ninety two ninety two. Steve Abel on the 99 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: Green Plan is next here on news Talks THEREB. 100 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens on the early edition with Smith City, New 101 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: Zealand's Furniture Beds and Appliant Store. 102 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 2: News Talks it B, it's good boarding to you. It 103 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: is now fourteen minutes after five. The Greens have launched 104 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: their alternative Missions Reduction Plan. It says the plan would 105 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 2: more than double our current work to curb climate change. 106 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: Agriculture will be part of the admissions trading scheme again, 107 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 2: and a new Ministry of Green Works will be established 108 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 2: to work on renewable infrastructure, and the plan will be 109 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 2: key in their next pre election pitch to voters. And 110 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 2: Steve Abel as a Green Party MP and our spokesperson, 111 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 2: this morning. Good morning to you, Steve. 112 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 5: Good morning, Andrew. 113 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 2: I'm good. Taught me quickly through the plan bullet points. 114 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 5: Basically, in simple terms, I'd say it's a blueprint for 115 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 5: how we decarbonize all the different sectors of society and 116 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 5: the economy, and it takes on the important task of 117 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 5: working out how we practically do a lot of that stuff. 118 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 5: The current government plan is not on track to achieve 119 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 5: our later targets and will struggle to meet the current ones. 120 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 5: And this one will increase our reductions by five times 121 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,799 Speaker 5: what this government will achieve, not to mention the fact, 122 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 5: basically because we'll properly invest in what is necessary to 123 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 5: reduce our missions and think of it as a whole. 124 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: I've read the report. Where do you get the number from? 125 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 2: Because it's very low on great details, and it somehow 126 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 2: you've said this will be five times better. 127 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 5: Because if you model things like lowering the cap ponds 128 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 5: that an ocean fertilizer for example, and ariculture promini dairy farming, 129 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 5: you finally get quite substantial cuts and emissions. If you 130 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 5: probably electrify our transport fleet, for example, and one of 131 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 5: the big opportunities we have in designers. We have already 132 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 5: a big renewable creen energy electricity system. If we grow 133 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 5: the size of that electricity system, then use a lot 134 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 5: of that additional energy for electrifying transport from trains to 135 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 5: buses to cars, get huge cuts in the amount of 136 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 5: emissions we're currently producing. 137 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: And that's true. And you say, if you grow the 138 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 2: electricity system. But reading the plan, the plan targets areas 139 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 2: like justice and the treaty, improving the emission training scheme, 140 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 2: and also sustainable land use, but there's very little. In fact, 141 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: there's only really a sentence on how you're going to 142 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 2: extend power generation. Surely the key to fighting pollution and 143 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 2: climate change is green power generation, so why no detail 144 00:07:58,360 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 2: on that? 145 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 5: So we've done more substantial detail in the past. A 146 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 5: twenty two election campaign, we had the Clean Power Payment, 147 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 5: which was a massive investment in solarization, distribute solarization, which 148 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 5: allowed households to lower their energy bills through investing in 149 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 5: solar and batteries and put it in public money to 150 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 5: support that. They happen up to a thirty thousand dollars 151 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 5: gram for each household. And those sorts of substantial invested 152 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 5: investments start shifting the nature of the grid. They start 153 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 5: allowing us to actually get that overbuild of electricity that 154 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 5: we need to do close to. 155 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 2: Elect Absolutely, that's so the key because currently, you know, 156 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 2: we need coal for ten percent of our power, and 157 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 2: if you take the ten percent off, if you came 158 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 2: into power and said, right, that's it, no more coal 159 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: because coal's dirty and Yucky, that's ten percent. That's our economy. 160 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: That's ten percent of the powering of our economy, and 161 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 2: so you have to be able to replace that power 162 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 2: or are you telling us are you telling us that 163 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 2: if the Green's got into charge and did this, we 164 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: would take a hit and have less power. 165 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 5: Absolutely not of its exactly opposite. And Genesis Energy, for example, 166 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 5: who won the Hartly power station is said the future 167 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 5: of that power source is biomass. We have this phenomenal 168 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 5: resource in biomass, meaning the residue pine waste that we 169 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 5: have in our current system which currently ends up washing 170 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 5: down as slash into our rivers, that could be used 171 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 5: in many industries that are observing that that could be 172 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 5: used to be converted into woody bio mass that could 173 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 5: be burned instead of coal. So those are the sorts 174 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 5: of opportunities that we have that aren't being exploited currently, 175 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 5: and we will reinvest the money that we get from 176 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 5: the emissions trading scheme into supporting industry to make those decarbonization choices. 177 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 2: Steve, thank you for joining us this morning. And hey, 178 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 2: by the way, Mery Christmas. It is now eighteen minutes 179 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 2: after five. Text through is a pity the rebels didn't 180 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 2: capture a side. Now you'll be hiding out in Russia. 181 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: That's true, Jack, Thank you for your texts. Someone else 182 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 2: is the name book Camp needs to be changed. Typical 183 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 2: of Labor to sit back and complain, because, after all, 184 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: what did they do for these kids? What has anybody 185 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 2: done for these kids? Maybe these kids are proving to 186 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 2: us that this is a big job. It's not oh, 187 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 2: do a boot cap, that'll sort them out. It's a big, 188 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: big job. As I said before, it's taken generations to 189 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: create these kids. Do you think he can fix them 190 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 2: just like that? Anyway? Lee goes on to say, if 191 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 2: Labor gets away, we stop this effort to help some 192 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 2: of these kids, and they just go back to the 193 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 2: street and keep reoffending. And Lee makes a great point, 194 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 2: these are not cute little boys. These are dangerous, unfeeling 195 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 2: people and will just continue doing what they have done 196 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 2: and what they do best. Ninety two ninety two is 197 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: the text. Tom Blundell got a lot of stick before 198 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 2: this test and then he went and did a ton 199 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 2: We'll talk about Tom Blundell and Liam Lawson in a 200 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 2: moment with Elliot Smith the News. 201 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: You need this Morning and the in depth analysis early 202 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: edition with Andrew Dickens and Smith City New Zealand's furniture 203 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: bids and applying store news Talk said. 204 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 2: Be bye twenty one Elliott Smith. How are you? 205 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 6: I'm good, Andrew. 206 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: So two men with a lot of challenges in front 207 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 2: of them. The first I'm going to talk about Tom 208 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: Blundele because of course, if you remember last week, everyone's going, 209 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: you know, he's catching the ball, but he ain't hitting 210 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 2: the ball, and he turns around and bit he's the 211 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: only one who got a century. 212 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 6: Well, he's the only one that got the century. I mean, 213 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 6: how much do you take out of it? Though it 214 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 6: was a game that was already lost. I suppose you've 215 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 6: got to get the runs at some point, but there 216 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 6: wasn't a lot of pressure necessarily the chasing. We were 217 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 6: chasing five hundred and sixty seven to win the match 218 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 6: and the game was gone, so there wasn't really a 219 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 6: lot of pressure. I mean, perhaps internally felt a bit 220 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 6: of pressure to retain this place in the team. But 221 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 6: you know, I suppose you've got to get the runs 222 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 6: when they're on off it and you suggested that would 223 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 6: save his spot for the Third Test against England. 224 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: I know what about Devin Conway though, I mean, well, 225 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 2: I think, please, it's been a bad year. 226 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 6: I feel sorry for him a little bit because he 227 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 6: just looks out of him. He just, you know, he 228 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 6: was so magnificent when he came in. He got runs 229 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 6: for fun at a certain point, he got two hundred 230 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 6: against England over in England, and he was developing into 231 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 6: one of the best openers in the world at a 232 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 6: certain point in time. But now I just can't buy 233 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 6: looks completely shot of confidence. And this player that you know, 234 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 6: we were so excited to have a couple of years ago. 235 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 6: I think it would be cruel to put them in 236 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 6: the team for him, which and I think they should 237 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,599 Speaker 6: make a change, put Will Young or someone else in 238 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 6: the top because we're really you know, and there's so 239 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 6: little Test cricket next year for the black Caps. He's 240 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 6: got four scheduled, it'll probably end up being seven in 241 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 6: the end. But I think it is time to look 242 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 6: at other options. And you know this, you can't paper 243 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 6: over cracks with one hundred from Blundle papers over that 244 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 6: crack and allows them to continue combat at the top. 245 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 6: I think there's time for some serious change at the top. 246 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 6: Of the black Caps order. 247 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, well I was so looking forward to the series. 248 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 6: So that three nil whitewash in India, which did really 249 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 6: come out of nowhere because the black Cap said, to 250 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 6: be honest, been on a downwards trajectory for a couple 251 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 6: of years. That that pete massive peak out of nowhere 252 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 6: to go on an Indie your win three nil, but 253 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 6: then to come back to New Zealand your own conditions 254 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 6: and just be completely outplayed by England comprehensively, you know, 255 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 6: the test inside over inside the three days real disappointment. 256 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 2: Cricket tragics as well, because you watch the New Zealand 257 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: tiest and then immediately after this the day night at Adelaide, 258 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: and then I watched that last night and watched India fail. 259 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 2: So maybe we went so good. India is just really 260 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 2: bad at the moment. 261 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 6: But they just went out and beat Australia that the 262 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:15,719 Speaker 6: previous week as well, and we're won up in the 263 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 6: series and smoked them. 264 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 2: So another fellow fighting for his position as Liam Lawson, 265 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 2: did he do enough at other duty? 266 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 6: Well, I didn't finish, so I don't think it's a 267 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 6: good start. Necessarily hit some pedishues early on engine parted 268 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 6: out on the final lap of the race as well, 269 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 6: was probably going to finish about sixteenth. In the end, 270 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 6: this is going to be fascinating decision. It's going to 271 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 6: come to a head in the coming days. In the 272 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 6: next forty eight seventy two hours, we're going to know 273 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 6: where Lee Lawson sits, because that's the end of his 274 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 6: current deal contract with his team, and there's all sorts 275 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 6: of machinations around where he fits in next year. Hasn't 276 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 6: set the world on fire necessarily, but they've often viewed 277 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 6: him as a long term project at that team, haven't they. 278 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 2: Well, they've been with him for a very long time. 279 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 2: They've invested a lot of money. They want someone to 280 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 2: support Max Vstappan. I need someone who can actually, you know, 281 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 2: walk the walk, and he can walk it. I mean 282 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 2: he drives with his elbows out, he doesn't take a 283 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 2: backward step. Ferlando Alonso right at the very beginning, gave 284 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 2: him a bit of addressing down. He dressed him right back. 285 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 4: You know. It's right. 286 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 2: So he's got the attitude, and he's got the ability, 287 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 2: and he is young, and they've spent the money and 288 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 2: I think perhaps believing that that that Cola Pinto might 289 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 2: come in has been has been or somebody else has 290 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 2: been premature. I think I think he's got it. 291 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 6: Well, yeah, it depends how much they stock they put 292 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 6: in those that pack of sex races that he's done now, 293 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 6: or whether it's that long term project. Now, we've seen 294 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 6: enough from you over the last four or five years 295 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 6: in our system to go now you're our guy for 296 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 6: twenty twenty five. Not on the basis of what he's done, 297 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 6: you know, this morning in Abadhabi, last week, et cetera, 298 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 6: et cetera. I think that long term project probably hands 299 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 6: him and better sted than some of the other competing drivers. 300 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: Configued stuff Elliott lovely to see you early in the 301 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: morning and Marry christ Is to you as well. 302 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: The early edition full show podcast on Ironart Radio, How 303 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: It By News Talks. 304 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 4: At Me. 305 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 2: This News Talks b five twenty seven. I'mandrew Dickens's cabinet 306 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 2: today and the promise this week is that we're going 307 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 2: to get a ferry plan. Apparently there might be an 308 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: announcement on Wednesday. So it's been a year since Nicola 309 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 2: Willis pulled the plug on the Kiwi Rail's ferry plan 310 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 2: and it wasn't because the fairies were so expensive. In fact, 311 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 2: the Fairies were a really good deal. It was because 312 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 2: of the cost of the port side developments. And I 313 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: think this is something that gets lost in the whole 314 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 2: debate when we talk about, Oh, it's the big chips, 315 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 2: it's the big ships. No, the ships weren't the problem. Really, 316 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 2: the misconception is that the cost was blowing out because 317 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 2: the Fairies were bigger than our previous fleet. So the 318 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 2: biggest factor in the cost blowout was the relocation and 319 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 2: the rebuilding of both the Kiwi Rail and Blue Bridge 320 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 2: ferries to get them out of an earthquake zone. There 321 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: was also the need for the new port to have 322 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 2: considerable earthquake strengthening. Look where the Wellington port is and 323 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 2: how far away it is from the main fault line 324 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 2: up Tenakorey Street, right, you need to earthquake strengthen this. 325 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 2: Our ports at the moment fall down and they did 326 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 2: last what time during a kaikura, So there's the need 327 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 2: for a considerable earthquake strengthening. Kiwi Rail also wanted a 328 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 2: gold plated faery terminal which would last long term, so 329 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 2: that you walk into it and it's like wow, This 330 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 2: is amazing, that's what they wanted. And then finally, on 331 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 2: top of that, the ports needed to be a bit longer. 332 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 2: So from what I've heard so far, it seems as 333 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: though the government will pick up some second hand boats 334 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 2: which actually had more life after them than before them. 335 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 2: But that's what happens when you pick up a second 336 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 2: hand boat. But that's not really an issue unless, of course, 337 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 2: they start falling apart as soon as we get them. 338 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: So when we look at this plan that comes out 339 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 2: this week, we need to be looking at the port 340 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 2: rather than the boats. Will it be relocated, will it 341 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: be strong enough to bear up to the inevitable earthquake, 342 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 2: will the terminal be comfy or will the terminal be 343 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 2: a chili shed? And how much do you want to 344 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: spend on this? Kiwi Rail was arrogant thinking that the 345 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 2: government would provide them with their billions on the essay, 346 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 2: so a blank check. But so the government wasn't long 347 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 2: to say tyhoe. But the government now has to prove 348 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 2: that their plan is not just a second hand option 349 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 2: that will continue to provide headaches in the years to 350 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 2: come because the indisputable factors we are a country that's 351 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: mostly spread over two islands with twenty six miles of 352 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,719 Speaker 2: very treacherous water between them, and so the infrastructure that 353 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 2: connects the two of us together is absolutely one hundred 354 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 2: percent critical. So let's see what this plan is coming 355 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 2: out on Wednesday. We hope now still to come with 356 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 2: right around the country with our reporters everywhere. We're going 357 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 2: to look at the serious situation with a fealla from 358 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 2: Otago University. My name is Andrew Dickens and for Ryan Bridge, 359 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: Verry Christmas. 360 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: The first word on the News of the Day Early 361 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: edition with Andrew Dickens and Smith City, New Zealand's Furniture 362 00:17:55,240 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: Beds and Appliant Store. You talk sippy. 363 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 2: Here's a man who's on holiday after making an awful 364 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 2: lot of money. Chris Martin Cold Play. His daughter was 365 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 2: in the DEBUTMP Ball of New York the other week, 366 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 2: and Crystal looked very fine, all dressed up in a suit. 367 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: He danced with his daughter, who's very beautiful, just like 368 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 2: her mother. Gwyneth Moses. The brother was there too, anyway, 369 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: Still to come on the program today, Syria meets the 370 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 2: new boss. Are they going to be any better than 371 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 2: the old bus? We're going to find out from Liam 372 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: Goldsmith Gavin Gray from the UK very shortly, big storm 373 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 2: bearing down on the UK and we're runing around New 374 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 2: Zealand at a second. The boot camps people will be 375 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 2: talking about this. By the way, Heathers doing the Breakfast 376 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 2: show today and we were talking about this before we 377 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 2: came into the show. As Graham writes to me, why 378 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 2: are you focusing on the two toe rags from the 379 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 2: boot camp? Why don't you look at the successful outcomes? 380 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 2: This is a typical Kiwi knocking machine problem, has Graham. 381 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: This is also fresh that all we have is to failure. 382 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 2: We don't have two successes yet because it takes a 383 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 2: while to actually turn these people around. And I've been 384 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 2: saying this all morning. It takes a while to turn 385 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 2: these people around. It's going to be expensive. Ah Ruth 386 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 2: writes Andrew. Chloe and Chippy should be don't you love 387 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 2: New Zealand? It's so casual. Chloe and Chippy should be 388 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 2: ashamed of themselves with their public pronouncements on the condemnation 389 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 2: of the kids from the boot camps. These kids literally 390 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: have no one in their corner giving them hope that 391 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 2: they can change. And now we even have people who 392 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 2: are meant to be leaders in our community. Piling in 393 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 2: change for these kids is very hard to make it against 394 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 2: the background of massive dysfunction. It will take time, It 395 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 2: will take people who keep on believing in their ability 396 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 2: to change. There's been no time yet. But on the money. 397 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 2: Just one other text. If we could only have the 398 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 2: kind of funding that these kids are getting with the 399 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 2: boot camps in our schools because we need wrap around 400 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: services for all our kids with fetal alcohol syndrome, dix slexia, trauma, 401 00:19:56,040 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 2: meth dependent parents, speech delays, ADHD autism. Instead, next year 402 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 2: classes will be bigger with no funding for teacher assistance. 403 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 2: So it's where you get the best bang for your buck. 404 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 2: It is twenty one to six around the country. Callum 405 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 2: Proctor from Dunedin. Helle Callum morning Andrew. There's a dneed 406 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: and bar drop Kicks. It's being discussed in council. 407 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 7: Why well, the District Licensing Committee is actually meeting to 408 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 7: discuss its new unlicensed application. 409 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 5: Look. 410 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 7: Dropkicks is the former Captain Cook Hotel, the famous soul 411 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 7: Dnedin pub and its application has in fact been opposed 412 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 7: by a couple of groups, one the Students for Sensible 413 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 7: Drug policy or to Porty, also the father of deceased 414 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 7: university student here Sophia Christani, that opposition all stems from 415 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 7: the venue actually actively promoting itself to students before it 416 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 7: had even had approval. The owners in their application, they 417 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 7: say their vision is to create a space where music 418 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 7: lovers and the community can come together safely. 419 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 2: When you have a bar that had a name as 420 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 2: good and as legendary as Captain Cook, why would you 421 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 2: want to change it to a name like Dropkicks. I 422 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 2: don't know how's your weather? 423 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 7: Fine but isolated? Shellers a fresh westerly today, the high twenty. 424 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 2: And I thank you so Now to Christian Jamie Cunningham. 425 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 2: Good morning, morning. It's hot and there are tougher fire 426 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 2: restrictions coming. 427 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 8: Yes well obviously. Firefighters have been battling a nine hundred 428 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 8: and eighty hectar wildfire in the Southern Alp since Thursday morning, 429 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 8: with a smaller blaze cropping up near Kerwee over the weekend. 430 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 8: Now last night a number of West Melton residents were 431 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 8: evacuated due to a larger vegetation fire growing in the 432 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 8: really strong winds. Four helicopters are due in the air 433 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 8: at first light, which will give fire crews a more 434 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 8: accurate picture of the blazer's size. District Commanded Dave Stackhouse 435 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 8: sees the monitoring weather stations and reviewing the region's fire 436 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 8: status today. He sees both Canterbury and South Canterbury's restrictions 437 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 8: will probably increase to require permits. 438 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: And is there rain today in that irony or not? 439 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 8: No, it's looking like a nice say it's fine with 440 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 8: northwesterlies which will ease this evening in a high of 441 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 8: twenty five. 442 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 2: I'm sorry to will until we go. Max Toll, Hello, 443 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 2: good morning. We've got the decision on the new fairies 444 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 2: this week. 445 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 9: Yeah, well you said it all about ten minutes ago. 446 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 9: This has been something of a saga for the Capital. 447 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 9: Labor signed up to what became a very expensive deal 448 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 9: at least in National's eyes, to build new fairies and 449 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 9: ports in government. National pretty quickly abandoning that, but with 450 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 9: the Intero Island of Fleet getting very old and prone 451 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 9: to glitches, National but under pressure for some time to 452 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 9: reveal what they're going to do instead, and that decision 453 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 9: expected this week by Wednesday. It may even come sooner. 454 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 9: While we are going to get new fairies, we believe 455 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 9: it's just a question of how rail compatible they'll be. 456 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 9: It would be possible to run these boats into the ground. 457 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 9: No pun intended for the rest of the decade, but 458 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 9: all the advice is for the checkbook to come out. 459 00:22:54,840 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 9: Rail compatible essentially means fairies are able to carry railway vehicle, 460 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 9: which in turn would mean a fewer trucks on the 461 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 9: road more a few lesser freight costs. That will be 462 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 9: the big thing to look out for this week. 463 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 2: That's the theory, Max. The reality is often quite different, 464 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 2: and they won't be new theories, they'll be secondhand ferries. 465 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 2: But there we go. How's Shelly. How's your weather today? 466 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 9: New second hand, fairly rang, early rain, severe winds twenty 467 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 9: one the high Central. 468 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 2: Thank you so much and thank you for a great test. 469 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: Not okay, Niva Rittamano joins us now Hella Neva, Good morning, Andrew. 470 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 2: Police have arrested five people. And these are these dirt 471 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 2: bikers that are all the range these days. 472 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 10: It's right now. Look yesterday up to one hundred rute bikers. 473 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 10: Now they were spotted. They were driving dangerously across southeast Auckland. 474 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 10: And you're quite right. What we do know is that 475 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 10: police have arrested five so far. So now this group, 476 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 10: they were seen running red lights, riding on the wrong 477 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 10: side of the road, breaking the speed limit, and the 478 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 10: list goes on. A witness told our newsroom that many 479 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 10: of the riders they were doing wheel stands. Then they 480 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 10: were also weaving across two lanes of the Waipoona Bridge. 481 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 10: So yeah, Lisa are expecting, they're on the case. They're 482 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 10: on the case, and they're expecting to make further arrest 483 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 10: on this whole incident. 484 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 2: For those people who don't know about aucands dirt bikes, 485 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 2: these are provided by the gangs to get the kids 486 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 2: into motorbikes and then of course later when they grow up, 487 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 2: they move into the Harley Davidson's I've been driving on 488 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 2: the Southern Motorway and seeing a crowd of thirty seeing them. 489 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've seen thirty kids on dirt bikes going 490 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 2: the wrong way down the motorway and then going the 491 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 2: wrong way up and off. Ram was it recently? 492 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 6: Did you say? 493 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 2: This is this is last summer? 494 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 4: Oh? 495 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 2: Flipping there, It's amazing. You know, they are a scourge. 496 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 10: But Skurge Skoirge on society, how's Orkin's weather isolated showers 497 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 10: turning to rain this afternoon, possibly heavy easing late evening. 498 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 10: Twenty threes are high here in Auckland. 499 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 2: So we're talking all about the weather, and the weather's 500 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 2: bad in the UK. In fact, people are being told 501 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 2: to stay at home. Gavin Gray from the UK with 502 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 2: the details. 503 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: Next international correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of 504 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: mind for New Zealand business. 505 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 2: It's into six. Kevin Great from the UK, goobording to you. 506 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 2: Oh he's on the phone. Excuse me, I'll just addswer 507 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 2: the phone. 508 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 11: Hello, Gvin Hiler Andrew Hi. 509 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: Mate. 510 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 2: So every the week in UK authority said stay at home. 511 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 2: So how because the weather was going to be so bad? 512 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 2: So was it so bad? And did everyone stay at home? 513 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: Well? 514 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 11: I know not everyone did, of course, people can't cancel 515 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 11: the travel plans. Travel was in absolute chaos, as you 516 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 11: can imagine. This was the fourth name storm that the winter. 517 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 11: It has claimed that we know at least two lives. 518 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 11: Some gusts up to almost one hundred miles an hour, 519 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 11: so you're looking one hundred and fifty kilometers an hour 520 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 11: were recorded on Saturday and then again early Sunday morning. 521 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 11: The deaths were in the northwest of England in Lancashire, 522 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 11: when a tree fell onto a vehicle and a man 523 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 11: in his late forties died. There was another death in 524 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 11: the West Midlands, same thing, a separate into of somebody 525 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 11: driving and a tree falling on them. The gusts have 526 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 11: slightly died down. But the problem now is this storm 527 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 11: with the strong winds was a company a lot of rain, 528 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 11: and indeed the previous named storm had only just left 529 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 11: the country, so the soil is really really soggy already, 530 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 11: and I'm afraid now there is a big danger of flooding. 531 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 11: There are some fifty four flood warnings for riverside communities 532 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 11: in England alone, and that means that flooding is likely. 533 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 11: And in Wales where I'm talking to you from this morning, 534 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 11: the ground really really wet. There are lots of tree 535 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 11: surgeons out trying to keep the roads open. As I said, 536 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 11: the winds have died down. The big, big risk now 537 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 11: is all the water that is collecting and going down 538 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 11: into the river. 539 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 2: And indeed there's a change. Really. I never used to 540 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 2: remember England flooding and now you do. 541 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, And you know, more development of course, and 542 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 11: more people and therefore a bigger demand on the services 543 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 11: and also fewer places for the water to seek down 544 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 11: into the soil. 545 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the Netherlands where there was 546 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 2: an explosion at a block of flats. So tell me 547 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 2: about that story. 548 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 11: Yeah, was in the Hague and at least five people 549 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 11: have died four others have been injured. Now, this was 550 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 11: an explosion of a block of flats. It's a three 551 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 11: story building and it is said that there were up 552 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 11: to twenty people in the flats at the time. That 553 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 11: would mean therefore that eleven or more are missing, and 554 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 11: that's the big concern. There is so much debris around 555 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 11: the place, Andrew that the big crane has been brought 556 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 11: in to try and get lift off these huge blocks. 557 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 11: But there is a big concern this death toll will 558 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 11: increase significantly. Now at the moment, the authorities are not 559 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 11: saying what they believe to be the cause. However, one 560 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 11: eyewitness describes a car driving off at very high speed 561 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 11: shortly before the explosion. That that is an unconfirmed report. 562 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 11: But yeah, we believe there to be at least five 563 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 11: flats that have been completely destroyed in this explosion, which 564 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 11: has left a lot of debry for the authorities to 565 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 11: try to get through. But I'm afraid more and more 566 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 11: this is proving and I think not to be a 567 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 11: rescue operation. If there are more bodies under there, this 568 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 11: is proven to be a recovery operation. 569 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 2: Kevin Great from the UK, I thank you so much. 570 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 2: It is eleven to six. Andrew Dicks, Well, it's a 571 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 2: route the sad Assad families. Decades long rain in Syria 572 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 2: came to an abrupt end over the weekend when rebel 573 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 2: forces captured Damascus. It was a stunning lightning strike route 574 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 2: right across the country. Russian officials have said that Alasade 575 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 2: has fled the country. They've called for a peaceful transition 576 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 2: of power. So to talk about this, we are now 577 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 2: joined by doctor Leon Goldsmith, who works at the Ottaga 578 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 2: University professor for Middle Eastern and Comparative Politics. Welcome to 579 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 2: the program, Leon. 580 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 4: Good morning. 581 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 2: Yes, it seems pretty definitive. It's happened, hasn't it. And 582 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 2: was it a surprise? 583 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 4: Well, I think it was. I think it was a 584 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 4: bit of a shark in terms of just how hollow 585 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 4: this regime was after like fifty years of iron forested 586 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 4: rule in the heart of the Middle East. I thinks 587 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 4: are in a state of euphoria as of last night, 588 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 4: that they can't quite believe that that this regime was gone. 589 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 4: It's quite quite a cataclysmic its yes, it. 590 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 2: Is, and it's almost like an alisad who fought against 591 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 2: us for so long and so hard, then took some 592 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 2: time off and just lost the will. 593 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 4: Well, I think what's happened is over in the last 594 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 4: four years, he's actually lost his main support base of 595 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 4: loyalists within the country, and I think there was a 596 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 4: growing sense that what they had fought for there was 597 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 4: no victory vivid and for all of the sacrifices that 598 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 4: had supporters had made, and they were suffering more than 599 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 4: ever under his rule, and he didn't seem to care. 600 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 2: The other thing, of course, is that his major allies 601 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 2: that were helping to fund him are helping to weaponize him. 602 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 2: Of course, Russia and Iran, they've got their own problems 603 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 2: and so they he was a bit abandoned. 604 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, he was extremely vulnerable and exposed in terms 605 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 4: of the Russian support that the Russians have been there 606 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 4: since the fifties, and Iran has been a major batter 607 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 4: of the regime since the eighties. So this is a 608 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 4: fundamental change of the regional order as well, in terms 609 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 4: of the main sort of power balance in the region 610 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 4: as well. It's going to be a lot of change. 611 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. Now here's the thing. Meet the new boss. 612 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 2: Is it the same as the old boss? What do 613 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 2: we know about the rebel forces? Is actually a liberation? 614 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 2: Are these guys good guys? 615 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 4: Yeah? And I said this is this is the once 616 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 4: the euphoria in itial euphorias sort of dies down in 617 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 4: the business of trying to see what a new Syria 618 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 4: is going to look like. But I think we have 619 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 4: to understand that jelani Or is going by his birth 620 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 4: name now Athland Sharh. He's not isis Kaida anymore. In fact, 621 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 4: I'll see a lot of what he's doing has been 622 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 4: a sort of antithetical to their extreme ast failures. But 623 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 4: at the same time, he is not someone that most 624 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 4: Syrians actually, despite the fact that the appreciate what's happened 625 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 4: in terms of the liberation of the country, would want 626 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 4: to see as kind of someone adopting a powerful position. 627 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 4: I think what you're going to see is a much 628 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:15,239 Speaker 4: broader effort to try and coordinate an inclusive government, and 629 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 4: I think that's what we're seeing in the early stages. 630 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 4: We're seeing a very orderly transition. We're seeing a lot 631 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 4: of the existing institutions remaining in place. The promise that 632 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 4: Javali Sad has gone. We don't know exactly where he's gone. 633 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 4: There's rumors that he may even be have died in 634 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 4: a plane crash or something like that. But I think 635 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 4: that we shouldn't jump to conclusions. That's what I'm saying. 636 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 4: This is not This is not the same as Culliband 637 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 4: takeover in Afghanistan, for example. 638 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, that's good. Could it's not going to 639 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 2: be as bad as we might imagine, But then again 640 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 2: it might not be as good as that we might hope. 641 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 4: Well, that's why I well think it's very important to 642 00:31:54,240 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 4: keep in mind. It wasn't just HTS liberated Syria over 643 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 4: the last eleven days, so free Cerian army element from 644 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 4: the from the south and from the from the east, 645 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 4: also just ordinary Syrians rising up on their towns and villages, 646 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 4: overthrowing the local Bartist forces, and it's a it's a 647 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 4: much broader coalition general Syrian uprising and overthrowing off of 648 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 4: this regime. 649 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 2: Good stuff, Leon Goldsworth, I thank you for your time today. 650 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: Get ahead of the headlines. Andrew Diggins on early edition 651 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: with slic City, New Zealand's furniture beds and a playing 652 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: store youth talks. 653 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 2: It'd be so, Luke writes, the terrorist is a trustworthy one, right, 654 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 2: how many terrorists do you ever know? 655 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 4: That? Ever? 656 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 2: Trustworthy? There we go and Dale rights, you do know 657 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 2: that it's been reported that de Sard's plan is crashed. 658 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 2: He is dead. Well, no, it's been reported, but that 659 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily mean it actually happened. Yes, there are reports 660 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 2: that might have crashed. We'll find out. So that's because 661 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 2: it disappeared off the radar, isn't it that's true? But 662 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 2: did it crash, We'll find it. Don't show me his head, 663 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 2: Hey the duper See Alan is doing the breakfast, Say 664 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 2: good morning. 665 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 12: Good morning. 666 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 2: You'll be talking Syria. 667 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 12: Yeah, we're going to talk about Syria because I mean, look, 668 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 12: everybody's happy to see the back of a sad right obviously, 669 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 12: because he's not a particularly cool dude. But the question, 670 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 12: of course is who comes in and replaces him. And 671 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 12: it's not clear that these lot, this lot is going 672 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 12: to be that great either because hts. I don't know 673 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 12: if you're aware of it, but they actually have originally 674 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 12: ties with ISIS. 675 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 2: Yes, so that that Jilaney. We just had a fellow 676 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 2: on who said, Jelaney claims he's not ISIS anymore. I said, 677 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 2: can you just pick and choose? 678 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 3: Yeah? 679 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 2: Cool, because you. 680 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 12: Just saw It's one of those things you sort of 681 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 12: dip in and out of in your life. You know, 682 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 12: a bit ISIS, but about out of ISIS again. 683 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 2: Camps those absconders really absconded with, you know, machetes and 684 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 2: balaclavas and then you can't chase them and all that 685 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 2: sort of thing. And now half the world is going 686 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 2: got to stop the boot camps. The other half is saying, 687 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 2: got to wait to see, Yeah, what do you reckon? 688 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 12: Well, I'm a little bit on the side of actually, 689 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 12: why are we shutting the boot camps? Because these toe 690 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 12: rags have behaved exactly like we thought that they would behave. 691 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 12: I mean, it's not the boot camps that made them 692 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 12: jump into the car with each other and a couple 693 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 12: of other dudes, grab a machete and then to take off. 694 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 2: So who's going to talk to about this? 695 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 12: Fellow Riley now full O'Riley, former Boss of Business New Zealand, 696 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 12: was actually involved with the last iteration of the boot 697 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 12: camps that John Key had underway, so he will have 698 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 12: a view of how it works on whether it's actually. 699 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 4: Successful or not. 700 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 2: Heather Gat You're your day out. I will, oh will, 701 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 2: I'll be back again tomorrow, see you tomorrow, see you all. 702 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 2: Thank you to Leo. 703 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge. Listen live 704 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: to News Talks it'd be from five am weekdays, or 705 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.