1 00:00:07,173 --> 00:00:10,493 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast 2 00:00:10,613 --> 00:00:11,773 Speaker 1: from News Talks at b. 3 00:00:12,933 --> 00:00:17,733 Speaker 2: An ultimate master of illusion, Cosantino exploded into the world 4 00:00:17,813 --> 00:00:20,733 Speaker 2: of magic on Australia's Got Talent back in twenty eleven 5 00:00:20,893 --> 00:00:24,373 Speaker 2: and has since wowd audiences around the world on stage 6 00:00:24,373 --> 00:00:28,933 Speaker 2: and on screen with his tricks and incredible, death defying 7 00:00:29,053 --> 00:00:33,373 Speaker 2: escape acts. Cosantino has earned titles like International Magition of 8 00:00:33,413 --> 00:00:35,813 Speaker 2: the Year, No Biggie and He's here today to pull 9 00:00:35,853 --> 00:00:37,693 Speaker 2: back the curtain on the magic scene. Ahead of his 10 00:00:37,733 --> 00:00:40,893 Speaker 2: New Zealand tour, held a good morning, good morning, great 11 00:00:40,893 --> 00:00:43,813 Speaker 2: to see him for having me seeing you in person, 12 00:00:43,973 --> 00:00:47,813 Speaker 2: So take us right back. How does one get into 13 00:00:47,893 --> 00:00:48,453 Speaker 2: this kind. 14 00:00:48,333 --> 00:00:52,133 Speaker 3: Of business stupidity? I think looking back now, my gosh, No, 15 00:00:52,253 --> 00:00:54,133 Speaker 3: I started when I was twelve. Yeah. I was a 16 00:00:54,213 --> 00:00:58,173 Speaker 3: very shy kid, believe it or not, very introverted, had 17 00:00:58,173 --> 00:01:00,733 Speaker 3: a lot of learning difficulties. Didn't learn to read until 18 00:01:00,733 --> 00:01:03,813 Speaker 3: I was twelve. My mother was a schooled principal. Right, 19 00:01:03,973 --> 00:01:07,453 Speaker 3: she's going mad and crazy. So she has this bright idea. 20 00:01:07,533 --> 00:01:11,013 Speaker 3: She says, I'll take him to the local library. For 21 00:01:11,053 --> 00:01:12,733 Speaker 3: all the kids listening out there, that's a place where 22 00:01:12,733 --> 00:01:16,453 Speaker 3: they have books because now you just go to Google, right, yeah, yeah, 23 00:01:17,173 --> 00:01:20,053 Speaker 3: doesn't exist, or it does, but you know. So she 24 00:01:20,053 --> 00:01:22,733 Speaker 3: takes me to the library, and that's the last place 25 00:01:22,733 --> 00:01:24,533 Speaker 3: a qut you can't read, obviously, really wants to be. 26 00:01:24,573 --> 00:01:26,853 Speaker 3: So I'm looking at books with pictures and I stumble, 27 00:01:26,933 --> 00:01:31,133 Speaker 3: by coincidento across a book called the Encyclopaedia of Magic. 28 00:01:31,173 --> 00:01:32,853 Speaker 3: I found that out later on, but the reason why 29 00:01:32,893 --> 00:01:36,253 Speaker 3: I opened it. It had these beautiful pictures and posters 30 00:01:36,293 --> 00:01:39,173 Speaker 3: or famous magicians, and to me, they look like comic 31 00:01:39,213 --> 00:01:41,213 Speaker 3: They predate comic books, but they look like comic books. 32 00:01:41,213 --> 00:01:44,173 Speaker 3: They're beautifully illustrated. If you've ever seen these vaudevillian posters, 33 00:01:44,173 --> 00:01:47,933 Speaker 3: they're gorgeous. So the book's open. My mother sees it open. 34 00:01:48,053 --> 00:01:50,133 Speaker 3: She thinks, great, he's interested in the book. I'm just 35 00:01:50,173 --> 00:01:53,293 Speaker 3: looking at the picture. And there's a photo like a 36 00:01:53,413 --> 00:01:55,813 Speaker 3: drawing of a man in all his handcuffs and chains. 37 00:01:56,853 --> 00:01:58,853 Speaker 3: And I said to my mother, what's this? Who's this? 38 00:01:58,973 --> 00:02:00,733 Speaker 3: And she said, that's the great Harry Judini. And she 39 00:02:00,813 --> 00:02:03,333 Speaker 3: reads his byline which says, under the post and nothing 40 00:02:03,333 --> 00:02:05,973 Speaker 3: on earth can hold Herdini a prisoner. And I ask 41 00:02:06,053 --> 00:02:07,973 Speaker 3: her what that mean, and she says well, you know, 42 00:02:08,053 --> 00:02:10,693 Speaker 3: nobody can stop Eudini, and he would escape from handcuffs 43 00:02:10,733 --> 00:02:13,813 Speaker 3: and chains and people would locking in jails around the world, 44 00:02:13,893 --> 00:02:15,693 Speaker 3: and people thought that he could melt through them. When 45 00:02:15,693 --> 00:02:18,813 Speaker 3: de materialize, I'm like, oh, wow, he's a superhero. He's 46 00:02:18,813 --> 00:02:20,693 Speaker 3: like in the comic books. And my mother says, yeah, 47 00:02:20,733 --> 00:02:25,173 Speaker 3: but he's not make believe, he's real. So that was fascinating. Anyway, 48 00:02:25,173 --> 00:02:26,573 Speaker 3: we worried a book. We take it home. She reads 49 00:02:26,573 --> 00:02:29,093 Speaker 3: these stories and adventures to me escapades. I'm very fascinated 50 00:02:29,093 --> 00:02:33,413 Speaker 3: about Houdini, Howard Thurston Dante. And in the back of 51 00:02:33,413 --> 00:02:36,413 Speaker 3: the book there's magic tricks. But to learn the tricks 52 00:02:36,933 --> 00:02:40,733 Speaker 3: you had to really analyze the wording. So you read 53 00:02:40,773 --> 00:02:43,133 Speaker 3: the description of the trick, what it's supposed to look 54 00:02:43,173 --> 00:02:45,373 Speaker 3: like to the audience, and then you read the method 55 00:02:45,493 --> 00:02:47,613 Speaker 3: or the secret, and it says things like grab a 56 00:02:47,613 --> 00:02:49,173 Speaker 3: packet of cards, put it in your left hand. This 57 00:02:49,213 --> 00:02:50,813 Speaker 3: is called mechanic scripts. So you look at the little 58 00:02:50,813 --> 00:02:53,013 Speaker 3: illustration and you go, oh, okay, and then says put 59 00:02:53,053 --> 00:02:55,693 Speaker 3: your left little pinky in this position and you go okay, 60 00:02:55,853 --> 00:02:58,373 Speaker 3: And then you write index. So by breaking down each 61 00:02:58,453 --> 00:03:02,653 Speaker 3: word and analyzing it, I slowly learned to read, and 62 00:03:02,733 --> 00:03:04,773 Speaker 3: so it was the first time that I was engaged 63 00:03:04,853 --> 00:03:08,013 Speaker 3: and connected, because before that, when you're a child and 64 00:03:08,053 --> 00:03:10,093 Speaker 3: things are difficult, you kind of you push it. I 65 00:03:10,133 --> 00:03:11,813 Speaker 3: don't want to do it. I'm not good at it. Yeah, 66 00:03:12,253 --> 00:03:17,133 Speaker 3: So I love learning these tricks, and I slowly learned 67 00:03:17,173 --> 00:03:21,293 Speaker 3: to read. And then I showed my father my first trick, 68 00:03:21,293 --> 00:03:24,533 Speaker 3: which was making a little coin vanish. And he's a 69 00:03:24,573 --> 00:03:26,813 Speaker 3: structural engineer, and he said to me he was a genius. 70 00:03:27,133 --> 00:03:31,373 Speaker 3: I'm twelve, and he makes bridges and buildings stand up 71 00:03:31,453 --> 00:03:35,293 Speaker 3: using mathematics. You know. So this coin vanishes, and my 72 00:03:35,413 --> 00:03:38,813 Speaker 3: father says, how did you do it? And all of 73 00:03:38,853 --> 00:03:41,653 Speaker 3: a sudden, there's a transfer of power because I can 74 00:03:41,693 --> 00:03:44,693 Speaker 3: do something that my father cannot. So that's very empowering 75 00:03:45,293 --> 00:03:49,213 Speaker 3: to a kid who is struggling, who is it has 76 00:03:49,253 --> 00:03:51,853 Speaker 3: to stay in at lunch time to do extracurriculum, who's 77 00:03:51,893 --> 00:03:53,853 Speaker 3: taken to all these specialists because he couldn't read because 78 00:03:53,853 --> 00:03:55,293 Speaker 3: they thought, oh, Mark, there's something wrong with his hearing, 79 00:03:55,373 --> 00:03:57,453 Speaker 3: or he can't see properly, or whatever it might have been. 80 00:03:58,013 --> 00:04:01,213 Speaker 3: And so now I'm in control, and so all the 81 00:04:01,253 --> 00:04:03,853 Speaker 3: original tricks that I performed had to do with control 82 00:04:03,853 --> 00:04:05,853 Speaker 3: and power, Like I would take a five dollars note 83 00:04:05,893 --> 00:04:07,613 Speaker 3: and make it ten, and I would eat fire. I 84 00:04:07,693 --> 00:04:10,573 Speaker 3: made birds appear, creating life. So that's how it started. 85 00:04:10,613 --> 00:04:13,533 Speaker 3: And it became this obsession of being in control, having 86 00:04:13,573 --> 00:04:15,573 Speaker 3: that kind of power because I had I didn't have 87 00:04:15,613 --> 00:04:16,053 Speaker 3: any of it. 88 00:04:16,133 --> 00:04:18,213 Speaker 2: And do you think it was addictive? Yes, you know, 89 00:04:18,613 --> 00:04:20,893 Speaker 2: having all of all of a sudden feeling that that 90 00:04:21,013 --> 00:04:22,893 Speaker 2: transfer of power. It's like, oh man, I want I 91 00:04:22,973 --> 00:04:24,573 Speaker 2: want to feel that again and again. 92 00:04:24,493 --> 00:04:27,413 Speaker 3: Correct and the better you get, the more powerful you get. 93 00:04:27,493 --> 00:04:29,573 Speaker 3: It sounds like some kind of Jedi thing, doesn't it, 94 00:04:29,933 --> 00:04:32,453 Speaker 3: But really that's what it was about. As an adult 95 00:04:32,573 --> 00:04:36,013 Speaker 3: now it's not about that anymore. But as a child, yes, 96 00:04:36,093 --> 00:04:38,653 Speaker 3: I'm told when to wake up, what to eat, when 97 00:04:38,693 --> 00:04:40,933 Speaker 3: to sleep, what to do at school, what's sport I 98 00:04:40,973 --> 00:04:42,813 Speaker 3: have to play? Blah blah blah blah. And now all 99 00:04:42,813 --> 00:04:45,493 Speaker 3: of a sudden, I'm this little performer and I'm saying, 100 00:04:45,573 --> 00:04:47,333 Speaker 3: you know, pick a card and I'm going to read 101 00:04:47,333 --> 00:04:47,813 Speaker 3: your mind. 102 00:04:48,133 --> 00:04:51,893 Speaker 2: So do you define yourself with any one thing except 103 00:04:51,933 --> 00:04:53,733 Speaker 2: for performer? Because it strikes me that you have this 104 00:04:53,813 --> 00:04:58,573 Speaker 2: real blend of talents and passions yes, you've got the 105 00:04:58,813 --> 00:05:01,373 Speaker 2: the there's the illusionist in you, there's the magician if 106 00:05:01,413 --> 00:05:04,893 Speaker 2: you like. But then you you love the escape act 107 00:05:04,973 --> 00:05:07,373 Speaker 2: as well, and you're a dancer. You have these kind 108 00:05:07,373 --> 00:05:10,653 Speaker 2: of these different threads to your performances. 109 00:05:10,933 --> 00:05:14,053 Speaker 3: And all happened organically. I would go to the video 110 00:05:14,213 --> 00:05:16,453 Speaker 3: store as a little kid, and I'd go into the 111 00:05:16,533 --> 00:05:20,973 Speaker 3: nostalgic section and borrow VHS tape on Gene Kelly and 112 00:05:20,973 --> 00:05:23,893 Speaker 3: Fred Astaire singing there. And so I don't even know 113 00:05:23,893 --> 00:05:26,013 Speaker 3: how to answer that, like that's what I was just 114 00:05:26,253 --> 00:05:28,733 Speaker 3: that's just for dancing, correct, And I would just watch 115 00:05:28,773 --> 00:05:32,893 Speaker 3: these these these old films of Charlie Chaplin and and 116 00:05:33,213 --> 00:05:35,613 Speaker 3: I remember the video store guy saying to my mother once, 117 00:05:35,653 --> 00:05:37,373 Speaker 3: why is your son in? Why is it he in? 118 00:05:37,453 --> 00:05:40,893 Speaker 3: Like the eighties action section, well the current action section 119 00:05:40,933 --> 00:05:44,173 Speaker 3: in the late eighties, early nineties, And my Mom's like, 120 00:05:44,253 --> 00:05:45,573 Speaker 3: I don't know you just like so I would just 121 00:05:45,573 --> 00:05:47,533 Speaker 3: watch these video tapes and I would watch them in 122 00:05:47,573 --> 00:05:50,773 Speaker 3: slow motion, fast forward and rewind and copy, and I'd 123 00:05:50,813 --> 00:05:52,413 Speaker 3: put little socks on and I would kind of skid 124 00:05:52,453 --> 00:05:56,173 Speaker 3: around on the on the tiles and mimic. That's even 125 00:05:56,213 --> 00:06:00,253 Speaker 3: that predates the magic and then I discovered the book 126 00:06:00,493 --> 00:06:03,613 Speaker 3: Judini and Escapes, and then I kind of put the 127 00:06:03,653 --> 00:06:06,053 Speaker 3: two together with the It wasn't like it's a great 128 00:06:06,133 --> 00:06:08,213 Speaker 3: gene idea. I thought, Okay, I'm going to take this dance. 129 00:06:08,253 --> 00:06:09,573 Speaker 3: I'm going to take the escape. I'm going to take 130 00:06:09,573 --> 00:06:10,973 Speaker 3: the magic and to combine it and now I'm going 131 00:06:10,973 --> 00:06:13,253 Speaker 3: to have a career. I just played around with things 132 00:06:13,253 --> 00:06:16,373 Speaker 3: that I enjoyed and then it kind of it came together. 133 00:06:16,453 --> 00:06:19,413 Speaker 3: But there was pushback in Australia. When I first started 134 00:06:19,413 --> 00:06:23,653 Speaker 3: doing magic. I joined the Little Magic Club. Young kids 135 00:06:23,893 --> 00:06:26,013 Speaker 3: would go once a month and I was entering a 136 00:06:26,013 --> 00:06:28,773 Speaker 3: competition and I did my act and they kind of 137 00:06:28,813 --> 00:06:32,453 Speaker 3: review your act constructive criticism, and the constructive criticism was 138 00:06:32,493 --> 00:06:34,893 Speaker 3: take out or a dance, because it's not a dance competition. 139 00:06:34,933 --> 00:06:37,293 Speaker 3: It's a magic competition. And I remember going home as 140 00:06:37,333 --> 00:06:39,453 Speaker 3: a twelve year old, thirteen year old, and I was 141 00:06:39,533 --> 00:06:41,813 Speaker 3: really upset about it. And I was like, you know, 142 00:06:41,853 --> 00:06:43,613 Speaker 3: they've told me the act is good, but you know 143 00:06:43,733 --> 00:06:46,333 Speaker 3: the dance is all rubbish and should come out. And 144 00:06:46,373 --> 00:06:48,573 Speaker 3: my brother, my older brother who works with me, he 145 00:06:48,573 --> 00:06:50,813 Speaker 3: still works with me today, he was like, ah, tiime 146 00:06:50,853 --> 00:06:52,533 Speaker 3: to get stuffed. I said, oh, you know, I'm just 147 00:06:52,533 --> 00:06:54,533 Speaker 3: going to do the act I want to do. And 148 00:06:54,613 --> 00:06:56,973 Speaker 3: I went to Adelaide as a little kid. My father 149 00:06:57,013 --> 00:07:00,333 Speaker 3: took me and I won this competition against people twice 150 00:07:00,413 --> 00:07:02,773 Speaker 3: my age and three times as experience. I was doing 151 00:07:02,813 --> 00:07:04,773 Speaker 3: the act that I wanted to do. So all of 152 00:07:04,813 --> 00:07:08,293 Speaker 3: a sudden, I've now won this competition against peers, people 153 00:07:08,333 --> 00:07:10,493 Speaker 3: better than me. You're older than me, more experienced than me, 154 00:07:11,253 --> 00:07:14,133 Speaker 3: doing it my way. So that set me on a path. Well, 155 00:07:14,133 --> 00:07:15,053 Speaker 3: I'll just do what I want to do. 156 00:07:15,093 --> 00:07:18,613 Speaker 2: It's a validation, right, correct. I want to ask you 157 00:07:18,653 --> 00:07:22,253 Speaker 2: about some of the ESCAPEX because you've done some crazy 158 00:07:22,613 --> 00:07:26,653 Speaker 2: things and I as beast you can. Can you describe 159 00:07:26,653 --> 00:07:29,013 Speaker 2: to us your kind of mindset when you find yourself, 160 00:07:29,093 --> 00:07:32,933 Speaker 2: for example, locked up underwater trying to peck locks while 161 00:07:32,973 --> 00:07:35,013 Speaker 2: holding your breath for an extended period of time in 162 00:07:35,013 --> 00:07:37,413 Speaker 2: front of television cameras and a live audience, because it 163 00:07:37,413 --> 00:07:39,373 Speaker 2: strikes me as being the sort of thing that would 164 00:07:39,853 --> 00:07:43,413 Speaker 2: be totally overwhelming for ninety nine point nine nine nine 165 00:07:43,453 --> 00:07:44,333 Speaker 2: percent of us. 166 00:07:44,813 --> 00:07:47,893 Speaker 3: It is. It's it's very so to hold your breath 167 00:07:48,973 --> 00:07:55,133 Speaker 3: lying on a couch. Static, yeah, comfortable, no stress. I 168 00:07:55,413 --> 00:07:56,733 Speaker 3: can go seven plus minutes. 169 00:07:57,573 --> 00:07:59,333 Speaker 2: That's amazing, it's and. 170 00:07:59,773 --> 00:08:01,413 Speaker 3: That's not that difficult to do it, and you can 171 00:08:01,453 --> 00:08:02,213 Speaker 3: be trained to do that. 172 00:08:02,373 --> 00:08:06,053 Speaker 2: I can do three, been training, So that's a. 173 00:08:05,973 --> 00:08:07,973 Speaker 3: Long time because most people can only do forty five 174 00:08:08,053 --> 00:08:12,173 Speaker 3: ninety seconds, So that's a long time. You train, Do 175 00:08:12,173 --> 00:08:13,693 Speaker 3: you push for it? Like, do you train for it? 176 00:08:13,933 --> 00:08:14,173 Speaker 2: No? 177 00:08:14,173 --> 00:08:16,013 Speaker 3: No, no, just naturally. 178 00:08:15,653 --> 00:08:18,573 Speaker 2: I can do three. But but then I start to convert, 179 00:08:18,653 --> 00:08:19,853 Speaker 2: like my chist starts. 180 00:08:19,573 --> 00:08:21,813 Speaker 3: To yes, yes, but you can push through that? 181 00:08:22,213 --> 00:08:23,973 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's deeply unpleasant. 182 00:08:24,373 --> 00:08:29,013 Speaker 3: Yes, it's deeply unpleasant. Wow, I'm impressed because most people 183 00:08:29,053 --> 00:08:31,013 Speaker 3: can't do through, but not the average. 184 00:08:31,053 --> 00:08:33,733 Speaker 2: I mean, that's it's to do. Seeven, you have to 185 00:08:33,733 --> 00:08:35,973 Speaker 2: be able to completely lower your heart rate, right you. 186 00:08:36,173 --> 00:08:39,693 Speaker 3: Yes, it's under fifty beats. Yes, it's meditation. So what 187 00:08:39,773 --> 00:08:43,293 Speaker 3: I do is I go through the alphabet in my head, 188 00:08:44,493 --> 00:08:46,933 Speaker 3: starting at A, obviously, and I go through all the 189 00:08:46,933 --> 00:08:48,693 Speaker 3: people I know with the litter a in their name, 190 00:08:49,413 --> 00:08:50,653 Speaker 3: and then I go to B and I move on 191 00:08:50,733 --> 00:08:51,973 Speaker 3: and I go through a whole alfabet. And the reason 192 00:08:51,973 --> 00:08:55,813 Speaker 3: why you do this is you distract yourself from everything 193 00:08:55,813 --> 00:08:58,293 Speaker 3: else that's happening around you, and you focus in, and 194 00:08:58,653 --> 00:09:01,813 Speaker 3: by focusing and zoning in you can lower your heart rate. 195 00:09:02,133 --> 00:09:04,013 Speaker 3: And then once I finished all the alphabet and then 196 00:09:04,093 --> 00:09:06,653 Speaker 3: go into my like my, I go through my my. Else, 197 00:09:07,053 --> 00:09:09,933 Speaker 3: I walk through the front door, and I picture vividly 198 00:09:10,933 --> 00:09:13,173 Speaker 3: my hand grabbing the front door and the key, going 199 00:09:13,173 --> 00:09:15,773 Speaker 3: inside and opening the door, then shutting it and walking in. 200 00:09:15,853 --> 00:09:18,613 Speaker 3: What's on the left hand side, what's inside the vas 201 00:09:18,973 --> 00:09:20,413 Speaker 3: what pictures are on the wall. And by the time 202 00:09:20,453 --> 00:09:21,973 Speaker 3: you go through this press and even just talking about 203 00:09:21,973 --> 00:09:27,013 Speaker 3: it right you can so. But then doing it in 204 00:09:27,013 --> 00:09:31,453 Speaker 3: a tank with the cameras moving around so not static. 205 00:09:31,853 --> 00:09:35,053 Speaker 3: As soon as this add movement to it, it changes everything. 206 00:09:35,333 --> 00:09:37,093 Speaker 3: And then you add the pressure of going let's say 207 00:09:37,133 --> 00:09:40,053 Speaker 3: five meters or ten meters deep and half a hemisphere 208 00:09:40,053 --> 00:09:42,253 Speaker 3: of pressure on your lungs, it reduces it automatically by 209 00:09:42,253 --> 00:09:45,893 Speaker 3: fifty percent, so you don't have the capacity to And 210 00:09:46,373 --> 00:09:50,013 Speaker 3: then you have people watching on the outside, the expectation 211 00:09:50,173 --> 00:09:53,933 Speaker 3: of you know, the television crew and the network and 212 00:09:54,333 --> 00:09:56,733 Speaker 3: people that have come to see it live. It all 213 00:09:56,813 --> 00:10:00,653 Speaker 3: just kind of compounds very very quickly. And had I 214 00:10:00,693 --> 00:10:02,773 Speaker 3: had the ambulance stand, they were measuring my heart rate 215 00:10:02,813 --> 00:10:04,653 Speaker 3: and I wanted to go into an under fifty beats 216 00:10:04,693 --> 00:10:07,933 Speaker 3: for my first TV special, and I was going in 217 00:10:07,973 --> 00:10:11,293 Speaker 3: at like ninety. It was because I was just anxious. 218 00:10:11,373 --> 00:10:13,933 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, Yeah, so I started. 219 00:10:13,573 --> 00:10:16,013 Speaker 3: On the wrong foot to begin with. It is it was. 220 00:10:16,093 --> 00:10:18,893 Speaker 3: It was terrible, but you in that moment you push through. 221 00:10:19,093 --> 00:10:21,613 Speaker 3: Something interesting about the escapes too. It's the only time 222 00:10:21,653 --> 00:10:24,773 Speaker 3: when I do it on stage. It's the only time 223 00:10:25,013 --> 00:10:28,213 Speaker 3: when I'm by myself and I can't hear the audience. 224 00:10:28,933 --> 00:10:32,613 Speaker 3: I can just hear my heartbeat. Very calm. I mean, 225 00:10:32,613 --> 00:10:34,813 Speaker 3: if you if you relate to this, if you hold 226 00:10:34,813 --> 00:10:37,413 Speaker 3: your breath, you know that kind of calm. It's really odd. 227 00:10:37,653 --> 00:10:38,653 Speaker 3: There's something surreal. 228 00:10:39,133 --> 00:10:40,173 Speaker 2: It's like it's like meditating. 229 00:10:41,533 --> 00:10:45,253 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really really special. It's a special feeling. And 230 00:10:46,893 --> 00:10:48,773 Speaker 3: when you get there and you can get to that 231 00:10:48,893 --> 00:10:52,293 Speaker 3: really calm state, that meditation state, it's it's pretty epic. 232 00:10:52,373 --> 00:10:55,453 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're listening to news books the Jack Tame speaking 233 00:10:55,533 --> 00:10:59,253 Speaker 2: with Cosantino, a hit of his New Zealand shows. Has 234 00:10:59,293 --> 00:11:01,853 Speaker 2: anything ever gone wrong when you're doing that? Like, what's 235 00:11:01,893 --> 00:11:04,013 Speaker 2: the most wrong something has ever gone? 236 00:11:04,413 --> 00:11:08,293 Speaker 3: We did a stunt called Dropped was in a Perspects bubble. 237 00:11:08,413 --> 00:11:11,853 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Perspects kind of I don't know how explain it, 238 00:11:11,853 --> 00:11:14,173 Speaker 3: like a perspects. Yeah, it's like a big bubble and 239 00:11:14,213 --> 00:11:17,333 Speaker 3: it was dropped ten meters deep in like a silo. 240 00:11:17,453 --> 00:11:19,453 Speaker 3: It was. It's actually like a diving tank, a training 241 00:11:19,493 --> 00:11:22,533 Speaker 3: diving tank. And the bubble was the same width as 242 00:11:22,573 --> 00:11:25,573 Speaker 3: the actual tank, so there was no divers in, No 243 00:11:25,613 --> 00:11:27,813 Speaker 3: one could get to me. A little hatch on the top, 244 00:11:27,853 --> 00:11:30,893 Speaker 3: and I was handcuffed, chained bally chains, locked up leg irons. 245 00:11:32,013 --> 00:11:33,773 Speaker 3: And the night before the TV special, so we'd set 246 00:11:33,813 --> 00:11:35,893 Speaker 3: up all the cameras. There was a special remote camera underneath, 247 00:11:35,933 --> 00:11:37,773 Speaker 3: there was cameras on the side, there was GoPros all 248 00:11:37,813 --> 00:11:41,013 Speaker 3: over it, blah blah blah, and we're just testing everything 249 00:11:41,013 --> 00:11:43,613 Speaker 3: the night before. So I'm doing my test run and 250 00:11:43,613 --> 00:11:45,333 Speaker 3: I go down and I'm only down there for like 251 00:11:45,373 --> 00:11:47,413 Speaker 3: two and a half a minute. It's not a long hold, 252 00:11:47,533 --> 00:11:50,813 Speaker 3: but again five meters deep it's and I start to 253 00:11:51,533 --> 00:11:54,613 Speaker 3: I couldn't equalize the pressure in my head. So once 254 00:11:54,613 --> 00:11:56,453 Speaker 3: I got my first handcuff off, I'm trying to equalize 255 00:11:56,493 --> 00:11:58,213 Speaker 3: my pressure. I don't. That's one thing I hate. I 256 00:11:58,253 --> 00:12:01,173 Speaker 3: hate the pressure. Like if I do do a water 257 00:12:01,213 --> 00:12:04,613 Speaker 3: tank escape and I and and it's kind of just 258 00:12:04,693 --> 00:12:07,293 Speaker 3: on stage. I can do my breath hole much longer 259 00:12:07,333 --> 00:12:09,693 Speaker 3: once I get the pressure on me. Me personally, I 260 00:12:09,773 --> 00:12:11,293 Speaker 3: find that really really challenging, just. 261 00:12:11,293 --> 00:12:13,893 Speaker 2: To be clear pressure as in the ear pressure from 262 00:12:13,973 --> 00:12:14,893 Speaker 2: being underwater. 263 00:12:14,773 --> 00:12:18,493 Speaker 3: Correct the water pressure. Yes, so I'm being dropped down. 264 00:12:18,493 --> 00:12:21,013 Speaker 3: I'm ten meters deep. I start to feel the pressure 265 00:12:21,013 --> 00:12:23,213 Speaker 3: on my head. I get my handcuffed off, and I'm thinking, geez, 266 00:12:23,213 --> 00:12:24,893 Speaker 3: there's a lot of pressure in my head. So I 267 00:12:25,493 --> 00:12:27,733 Speaker 3: equalize by blowing through my nose like what you do 268 00:12:27,773 --> 00:12:30,093 Speaker 3: when you're on an aeroplane. And I hear this little pop, 269 00:12:30,133 --> 00:12:32,173 Speaker 3: and I think, oh, great, because there's a relief. But 270 00:12:32,213 --> 00:12:34,533 Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, it's excruciating pain in my 271 00:12:34,653 --> 00:12:37,093 Speaker 3: right yea, so I blew my right ear drum. Yeah right, 272 00:12:38,053 --> 00:12:41,053 Speaker 3: So of course if you blow, when you blow an drum, 273 00:12:41,093 --> 00:12:43,133 Speaker 3: you get disorientated, you get nauseous. And I'm locked up 274 00:12:43,173 --> 00:12:45,093 Speaker 3: and chained and no one can get to me. And 275 00:12:45,173 --> 00:12:48,213 Speaker 3: this is rehearsal, and my team is filming it on 276 00:12:48,253 --> 00:12:50,853 Speaker 3: an iPhone, just certain they know how to tell the 277 00:12:50,893 --> 00:12:53,133 Speaker 3: cameras how to film it tomorrow when the crew when 278 00:12:53,133 --> 00:12:56,333 Speaker 3: everyone comes in. Anyway, I managed to get out of 279 00:12:56,373 --> 00:12:58,533 Speaker 3: all the chains. This is all on video, by the way, 280 00:12:59,053 --> 00:13:02,133 Speaker 3: on the tested go pro footage, and I swim to 281 00:13:02,173 --> 00:13:04,453 Speaker 3: the top and they can see it. I pop the top. 282 00:13:04,493 --> 00:13:05,773 Speaker 3: They could do something's wrong. They could see in my 283 00:13:05,773 --> 00:13:07,373 Speaker 3: face and you can see it on film. And so 284 00:13:07,413 --> 00:13:09,253 Speaker 3: my brother pulls back my hair and you see the 285 00:13:09,253 --> 00:13:12,773 Speaker 3: blood still coming out of my ear literally so bluoty 286 00:13:12,773 --> 00:13:14,893 Speaker 3: ear drum. And we have to cancel the entire stuff. 287 00:13:14,933 --> 00:13:17,693 Speaker 3: Couldn't get on an errorplane, couldn't do my live shows anymore. 288 00:13:17,853 --> 00:13:19,693 Speaker 3: Had to go back to the network, explained to them. 289 00:13:19,693 --> 00:13:21,053 Speaker 3: You know, the big stunt we had at the end 290 00:13:21,093 --> 00:13:22,853 Speaker 3: that we spent all this money on year, it's gone. 291 00:13:23,213 --> 00:13:25,613 Speaker 3: It's not People say, oh, you've dramatized it so much, 292 00:13:25,613 --> 00:13:28,853 Speaker 3: But it wasn't a you know, we didn't aim to 293 00:13:28,973 --> 00:13:29,613 Speaker 3: That wasn't even. 294 00:13:29,493 --> 00:13:32,853 Speaker 2: A lot worse could have correct. Do you ever see 295 00:13:32,893 --> 00:13:36,053 Speaker 2: that show. We're of the same same generation win stunts 296 00:13:36,093 --> 00:13:36,453 Speaker 2: go bad? 297 00:13:36,653 --> 00:13:41,533 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, please, whatever you do, don't that, yes, 298 00:13:41,973 --> 00:13:44,093 Speaker 3: I know you see it. Can it cannot go pair shaped. 299 00:13:44,133 --> 00:13:46,333 Speaker 3: And when you're filming a TV show, you're under a 300 00:13:46,333 --> 00:13:49,613 Speaker 3: lot of pressure, and the time restraints are just to 301 00:13:49,613 --> 00:13:52,293 Speaker 3: accomplish what they really want. You just don't have enough. 302 00:13:52,293 --> 00:13:54,173 Speaker 3: There's not enough budget to do it, to do it 303 00:13:54,173 --> 00:13:56,173 Speaker 3: no matter how. And also when you don't, you're always 304 00:13:56,173 --> 00:13:58,893 Speaker 3: thinking big for TV, so no matter how much budget 305 00:13:58,973 --> 00:14:01,293 Speaker 3: you get, so for some reason, it's never enough. 306 00:14:01,373 --> 00:14:03,933 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're almost out of time, So tell us about 307 00:14:03,933 --> 00:14:04,253 Speaker 2: the show. 308 00:14:05,013 --> 00:14:07,453 Speaker 3: Yes to send him. It's a a celebration of my 309 00:14:07,493 --> 00:14:10,493 Speaker 3: life in magic ten years, hence the name the sending 310 00:14:10,493 --> 00:14:14,053 Speaker 3: me Who's Latin for ten and off a decade, And 311 00:14:14,093 --> 00:14:16,373 Speaker 3: I bring together close up slide of hand magic, so 312 00:14:16,413 --> 00:14:19,293 Speaker 3: it's all projected onto video screens and people sit opposite 313 00:14:19,333 --> 00:14:22,933 Speaker 3: me and we borrow objects, rings, and they sign cards 314 00:14:22,973 --> 00:14:26,253 Speaker 3: and they really participate in amazing things. Miracles happen under 315 00:14:26,253 --> 00:14:28,213 Speaker 3: their noses, and the whole audience gets to watch it. 316 00:14:28,853 --> 00:14:31,733 Speaker 3: And then these crazy death defying demonstrations. My heads in 317 00:14:31,813 --> 00:14:34,373 Speaker 3: a Perspex box with kitchen knives dangling above my head 318 00:14:34,373 --> 00:14:36,653 Speaker 3: and I've got to get out and escape. And then 319 00:14:36,693 --> 00:14:40,213 Speaker 3: the illusions people appearing and disappearing and levitating and teleporting 320 00:14:40,253 --> 00:14:44,493 Speaker 3: and mind reading and predicting the future. And it's really 321 00:14:44,493 --> 00:14:47,053 Speaker 3: powerful because when you watch it on TV, you can 322 00:14:47,093 --> 00:14:49,533 Speaker 3: often justify what I'm doing in your head. You might 323 00:14:49,573 --> 00:14:51,813 Speaker 3: say to yourself, Ah, it's an actor or it's set up, 324 00:14:52,093 --> 00:14:54,173 Speaker 3: which it's not, but you might say that, or if 325 00:14:54,213 --> 00:14:56,173 Speaker 3: I was there, I would know how it's done. So 326 00:14:56,213 --> 00:14:59,293 Speaker 3: when you come and witness the show and you come 327 00:14:59,373 --> 00:15:01,173 Speaker 3: up on stage, or your spouse comes up on stage 328 00:15:01,173 --> 00:15:02,733 Speaker 3: and I read their mind, and you go, well, hang on, 329 00:15:03,653 --> 00:15:05,693 Speaker 3: this isn't set up. He doesn't know me, he doesn't 330 00:15:05,693 --> 00:15:06,333 Speaker 3: know my partner. 331 00:15:06,613 --> 00:15:07,173 Speaker 2: How did he know? 332 00:15:07,653 --> 00:15:10,533 Speaker 3: How could he do that? Or you're watching someone float 333 00:15:10,573 --> 00:15:12,973 Speaker 3: through the air and you're sitting in the front row 334 00:15:13,093 --> 00:15:15,973 Speaker 3: and you're going, oh, there's no strings, there's no magnets, 335 00:15:16,013 --> 00:15:17,853 Speaker 3: how is that possible? So you get caught up in 336 00:15:17,933 --> 00:15:21,693 Speaker 3: the atmosphere and people around you are gasping and laughing, 337 00:15:22,293 --> 00:15:26,573 Speaker 3: and so the show is as immersive as you want 338 00:15:26,573 --> 00:15:27,733 Speaker 3: it to be. So you could just sit and watch 339 00:15:27,773 --> 00:15:30,213 Speaker 3: the show and observe, or you can participate and come 340 00:15:30,253 --> 00:15:31,933 Speaker 3: up and make sure the knives are real or that 341 00:15:32,013 --> 00:15:34,253 Speaker 3: the handcuffs are real and that it's not gimmicked or 342 00:15:34,253 --> 00:15:36,613 Speaker 3: set up in any way. Or you can be the 343 00:15:36,653 --> 00:15:40,413 Speaker 3: person who who selects the cards, so you know, and 344 00:15:40,453 --> 00:15:44,693 Speaker 3: so it's it's a really obviously it's a magic show, 345 00:15:44,693 --> 00:15:46,573 Speaker 3: but there's a lot of humor, and there's the dance, 346 00:15:46,613 --> 00:15:47,853 Speaker 3: and then there's all a little light and we bring 347 00:15:47,853 --> 00:15:49,493 Speaker 3: all the lighting in, we bring all the sets in, 348 00:15:49,533 --> 00:15:52,773 Speaker 3: we bring all the costumes, and everything's bespoke. So it's 349 00:15:52,813 --> 00:15:55,653 Speaker 3: a great night of family entertainment. And no one really 350 00:15:55,693 --> 00:15:57,933 Speaker 3: walks out. From my experience, and with toured this show 351 00:15:57,973 --> 00:16:02,333 Speaker 3: in Singapore, Malaysia, all across Australia, and no one really 352 00:16:02,333 --> 00:16:04,213 Speaker 3: walks out saying, oh, I love that trick where he 353 00:16:04,293 --> 00:16:06,133 Speaker 3: levitated the person. What they do walk out saying is 354 00:16:06,133 --> 00:16:08,733 Speaker 3: that's really good night of entertainment. And that's the biggest 355 00:16:08,733 --> 00:16:11,813 Speaker 3: compliment because I don't pin it to just one thing, 356 00:16:12,173 --> 00:16:12,773 Speaker 3: and I love that. 357 00:16:13,733 --> 00:16:15,213 Speaker 2: I'm so excited to have it here. We're going to 358 00:16:15,253 --> 00:16:16,893 Speaker 2: have all the details for to sending him up on 359 00:16:16,933 --> 00:16:19,053 Speaker 2: the News Talk's HEDB website. But it is so good 360 00:16:19,053 --> 00:16:19,893 Speaker 2: to see you guys. 361 00:16:19,693 --> 00:16:21,173 Speaker 3: Thank you, pleasure, thanks for having me. 362 00:16:21,533 --> 00:16:26,253 Speaker 2: That is Cozantino, Magician, escape artist Extraordinary. 363 00:16:27,413 --> 00:16:30,533 Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live 364 00:16:30,613 --> 00:16:33,813 Speaker 1: to Newstalks I'd Be from nine am Saturday, or follow 365 00:16:33,853 --> 00:16:35,373 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.