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Speaker 1: Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for

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Speaker 1: the full picture. Heather Duplessy Alan Drive with One New

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Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. Welcome to the show. We've got the fourth law

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Speaker 3: and order announcement from the government this week, this time

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Speaker 3: changes to Tresparce laws. Is then any of this is

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Speaker 3: actually going to work? We're going to speak to a

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Speaker 3: lawyer about it. We're also going to speak to one

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Speaker 3: of the All Blacks coaches about the big game this weekend.

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Speaker 3: And have you heard of passenger parenting? If you're a

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Speaker 3: mum doing everything, you're probably living it, an expert will

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Speaker 3: explain Heather Dupericy Alan, this is going to sound harsh

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Speaker 3: and I know it, but I think women like Rachel

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Speaker 3: Reeves need to stop crying in public. I've said it.

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Speaker 3: This is the biggest news that is in the UK

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Speaker 3: at the moment. Their chancellor, who's basically the equivalent of

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Speaker 3: our Nikola Willis, started crying in Parliament. Now I have

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Speaker 3: I feel Verius. I do. I feel really sorry for

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Speaker 3: her her because it looks like she is going to

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Speaker 3: probably end up taking the fall for a man's incompetence

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Speaker 3: because Keir Starmer, her Prime Minister, is weak and is

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Speaker 3: giving into a rebellion and has forced a you turn

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Speaker 3: on her, thereby undermining her fiscal plans. And then after

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Speaker 3: all of that, after doing all of that to her,

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Speaker 3: humiliating her in public, what then happened in parliament is

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Speaker 3: what sparked the tears. He was asked whether after all

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Speaker 3: of the humiliation he's put her through, he's going to

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Speaker 3: keep her in the job, and he would not confirm

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Speaker 3: sitting directly behind him. The cameras capture it. Her face crumbles,

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Speaker 3: it is incredibly clear that she is trying so hard

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Speaker 3: not to cry, but she cannot help her. But women

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Speaker 3: have got to stop crying in public. If you cannot

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Speaker 3: stop yourself crying in public because it is too much,

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Speaker 3: reading Justinto's book last night again, I mean talk about crying.

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Speaker 3: There's another crier, And in it she tells the story

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Speaker 3: of being pregnant and talking to a successful corporate woman

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Speaker 3: at a function and she couldn't find a word that

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Speaker 3: she was looking for, and she said to the woman, oh,

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Speaker 3: Because if she says that in public, Jasinda Ardourn's opponents

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Speaker 3: would have seized on it as an example that women

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Speaker 3: cannot do significant jobs while being pregnant and being mums,

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Speaker 3: and the same is unfortunately true for Rachel Reeves. There

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Speaker 3: women are inherently more emotional. Now I realize that what

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Speaker 3: I am saying is controversial because we have been told

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Speaker 3: we're not supposed to bottle things up and we are

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Speaker 3: Nine two ninety two is the text under standard text.

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Speaker 3: Vias apply it. By the way, that's not even the

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Speaker 3: end of what happened with Rachel Reeves. I'll run you

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Speaker 3: of the year. The Minister reckons it'll save the cost

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Speaker 3: and with us, Hey, Chris, hey, that, how are you so?

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Speaker 3: And well, thank you so? Explain to me how this

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Speaker 6: We've got what we call the schedule method, which sets

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Speaker 6: need all of that, you just need some of that.

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Speaker 7: So as long as we can get to the same

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Speaker 6: Without being so prescriptive, then there's money to be saved

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Speaker 3: So one of the examples that you used was if

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Speaker 3: how much insulation you need. Run me through that.

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Speaker 6: Bigger windows, that's fine, you might need a bit more insulation.

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Speaker 6: So it's about not having a one size fits all

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Speaker 6: Well you get more suns so you know, it depends.

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Speaker 6: Of course, that's the point about insulation is that it

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Speaker 6: get this leakage. But also of course you've got to

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Speaker 7: So there's a you know, reflective glass called low Ei.

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Speaker 6: So there's lots of different factors and I'm not going

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Speaker 7: Yeah, all makes the factor.

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Speaker 6: So if we allow all those to be taken into

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Speaker 6: as I say, you'll get a you actually get a

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Speaker 3: The don't we already have zones Chris like don't we

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Speaker 6: But but there isn't, for example, a special zone for

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Speaker 6: Yes, so we've actually said as well that we're looking

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Speaker 6: I am actually now with our excellent local MP Grant McCallum,

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Speaker 6: there's both both, you know, the lesser requirement for instilation

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Speaker 3: And that I was actually talking to Grant just before

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Speaker 3: when he said that he was with you, what are

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Speaker 6: To visiting a number of small businesses and manufacturing outfits

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Speaker 7: Actually that's a different minister that I with. So a

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Speaker 3: Hey, I have one more question about this though, So

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Speaker 3: how does this interact what you're doing with new bills?

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Speaker 3: How does that interact with rentals and healthy home standards?

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Speaker 3: If you change the standards for new builds, do you

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Speaker 6: No, technically separate. So actually, and I mean it's a

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Speaker 6: bit crazy. The systems don't talk to each other. But

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Speaker 6: as of who you describe on your show in the

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Speaker 6: last couple of days, many of us are living in

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Speaker 6: homes quite happily that we wouldn't be able to rent out.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, circumstances were different.

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Speaker 6: So it's actually a different thing because you know, that's

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Speaker 6: and so on, whereas this is just the insulation or

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Cool, Hey, thank you very much. Chris appreciated Chris

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Speaker 3: pink building in construction Minister. I said to grant Us,

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Speaker 3: tell he said, I'm with Chris. Chris is going to

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Speaker 3: be on your show him and I said, tell Chris

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Speaker 3: to bring his A game. He brought his a game,

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Speaker 3: didn't he. You don't need to tell Chris to bring

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Speaker 3: his A game. I think he brings it every time. Hither,

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Speaker 3: there's no crying in public rule. Can you ask Oli

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Speaker 3: if it should apply to ossie males as well?

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Speaker 4: Listen?

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Speaker 3: Do you know what though? It should apply to males,

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Speaker 3: shouldn't it Because if you think about it, if Keirs

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Speaker 3: Starmer started crying in the house because or like, imagine,

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Speaker 3: Imagine if imagine if jo Cinda had stood there and said, no,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to I'm not going to back up

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Speaker 3: Grant Robinson. I can't confirm that he's going to remain

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Speaker 3: wouldn't we We would write, we'd say the same thing

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Speaker 3: to men. The problem is I'm not a man, so

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Speaker 3: I don't care. I only care about women. I just

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Speaker 3: as a woman in a high profile job. I look

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Speaker 3: go sort it out, Sort it out, Rachel, I don't

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Speaker 3: bunker busting bombs that Trump dropped on Iran were designed

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Speaker 3: she'd done the work by then, but she was responsible

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Speaker 3: Be Hey, We're going to have to deal with the

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Speaker 3: government's just given us a list of the Quarter two

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Speaker 3: the Quarter three action plan that's come through. So we're

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Speaker 3: going to deal with that. Short Lis nineteen past four

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Speaker 3: and Elliott Smith's sports talk hosters with us. Hello Elliott,

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Speaker 3: Hello headed What do you think of the squad?

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Speaker 8: I quite like it and I think it's bold. I

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Speaker 8: think they've made some real changes here at the All Blacks.

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Speaker 3: Last year.

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Speaker 8: Scott Robson has admitted in a couple of interviews that

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Speaker 8: maybe they're a little bit too conservative in terms of

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Speaker 8: their selections. Well, this has swung the pendulum big time

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Speaker 8: to some risk taking. Four debutantes in the twenty three

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Speaker 8: that old adage of you know, slowly blooding through the debutantes.

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Speaker 8: Maybe they get a chance in the third test of

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Speaker 8: the year. Well they haven't done that. They've put all

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Speaker 8: times is that they want to really take some risks

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Speaker 8: little bit. That maybe they did previously did last year.

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Speaker 4: They feel a.

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Speaker 8: Little bit more comfortable in this All Black side. You know,

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Speaker 8: Fabian Holland big body starting in the second row for

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Speaker 8: the first time, moving to po Vai to blindside Flanka.

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Speaker 8: You know, there is inherent risk in what we're doing

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Speaker 8: this weekend, but if you don't do it, you don't know.

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Speaker 8: And you know, I quite applaud that approach from.

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Speaker 3: Scott Roberts's risk though. I mean, if you isn't the

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Speaker 3: French team, absolutely crap it is.

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Speaker 8: But the All Blacks have traditionally, well we don't haven't

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Speaker 8: is that little bit of risk that you're putting in

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Speaker 8: front of. And look, this French team have got nothing

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Speaker 8: their head coach sees it. So there is a little

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Speaker 8: bit of nothing to lose from the All Blacks perspective,

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Speaker 8: but you know, you've still got to go out there

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Speaker 8: and do it, and it would have been easy to

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Speaker 8: put out these players that have played test ranky before,

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Speaker 8: not change combinations. Say we'll get to it for week

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Speaker 8: three if we win the first two tests. But the

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Speaker 8: roll of the dice and I think that's it's quite

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Speaker 8: a bold move moving Rica Juanne back to the left wingers.

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Speaker 8: Another one, Billy Procter form player in Super Ranby this year.

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Speaker 8: So in many ways it's what the public has been

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Speaker 8: calling for and they've embraced it. The all Black Selectors.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting stuff. Now what do you make of Hayden

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Speaker 3: Padden wanting to put a key we owned team in

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Speaker 8: I really like this in the WRC. I think it's

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Speaker 8: a great move. It look a bit more like Formula One,

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Speaker 8: you know, Red Bull Racing and all those other teams

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Speaker 8: that's been too tied to the manufacturers. The WRC very

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Speaker 8: very much a close shop. And we know Hayden Padden's

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Speaker 8: an absolutely wonderful driver, hasn't been able to get it.

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Speaker 8: We're cracked with Fyonda. But how good if he was

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Speaker 8: we've got one driver here, co driver. Yeah, we're going

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Speaker 8: to put a couple of cars out and and contest

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Speaker 8: the WRC. I think that's what the sport's been missing.

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Speaker 8: It's sort of falling off the radar. You think of

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Speaker 8: a few of those other drivers. Doesn't really crowd a

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Speaker 8: headlines around international representation, kind of like if one I'm

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Speaker 8: all for this. I think it'd be a great move.

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Speaker 8: The problem here that, of course, is where's the money

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, thank you, Elliott, appreciate it. Elliott Smith. Sports

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Speaker 3: talk host Scott Hansen, the All Blacks assistants co assistant coach,

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Speaker 3: is going to be with us after quarter past five

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Speaker 3: on that. Unfortunately, bad news the jury and the Mushroom

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Speaker 3: Chef trial is still out now they were sent out

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Speaker 3: on Monday at lunch time, so that's Tuesday at lunch

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Speaker 3: and we three days now, and that is that's actually

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Speaker 3: starting to become quite a that's certainly I did not

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Speaker 3: expect that they would be deliberating this long And the

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Speaker 3: only reason they deliberate this long is because they can't agree,

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Speaker 3: which means that maybe she gets off four twenty.

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Speaker 1: Three getting the facts, discarding the fluff. It's Heather duplicy

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Speaker 1: Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news dogs.

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Speaker 3: That'd be yeah, they're not sure how you can say

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Speaker 3: a frenchsightful of Premier league players will be crap. They

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Speaker 3: fair point. Actually, we'll talk to Scott Hanson about that.

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Speaker 3: In about forty five minutes. It's full twenty five on

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Speaker 3: this reporting of the prominent New Zealander who has appeared

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Speaker 3: in court this morning but has name suppression. Now, I

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Speaker 3: it is. And then when Finally the name suppression is lifted.

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Speaker 3: It turns out to be some random musician in Wellington

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Speaker 3: you've never heard of, right, And I wouldn't blame you

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Speaker 3: if you look at that and going it'll be the

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Speaker 3: Category three offenses, which is an offense that is punishable

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Speaker 3: by imprisonment for a term ranging from two years to life.

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Speaker 3: To let me repeat that, life in prison now, even

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Speaker 3: though we cannot name him under this court order, we

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Speaker 3: are going to keep you on the show across developments

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Speaker 3: in this case because, as I say, this is significant

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Speaker 3: So just hang on for a minute, I suppose anyway. Listen,

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Speaker 3: Blue Bridge now, I was talking about the Blue Bridge,

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Speaker 3: the boat that was arriving today. It arrived to Dame Wellington. No,

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Speaker 3: But the cutest thing about this was how many people

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Speaker 3: There were about one hundred people huddled in the rain

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Speaker 3: in by train from Lower Hut. They've made such a

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk to Bluebridge's boss about this after

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Speaker 3: five hundred years. Headline's next hun.

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Speaker 1: Putting the challenging questions to the people. At the heart

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Speaker 1: of the story, it's hither duplessy Ellen drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 9: News dogs they'd be bugging Barnas and flowers right.

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Speaker 3: Thomas Coughlin is going to be with us in around

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Speaker 3: about ten minutes time, and we also have of course

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Speaker 3: Murray Old standing by out of Australia. The list has

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Speaker 3: been released. These are the things that need to be

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Speaker 3: done by this government in the next quarter. It's actually

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Speaker 3: a shorter list than normal, which I think is it's

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Speaker 3: only twenty eight items. What is it normally? Let matter

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Speaker 3: quick look for you thirty eight yere so it's about

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Speaker 3: you know, you've got about a quarter missing, which is

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Speaker 3: okay because it probably was such a long list. Some

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Speaker 3: of these things have been just pumped up to kind

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Speaker 3: not all Keller, sometimes a bit feller. So it's okay

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Speaker 3: to have a shorter list. Number one announce next steps

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Speaker 3: to improve supermarket competition. Doar God, spare us from this

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Speaker 3: because I stop. I stop at number one. Something's happened

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Speaker 3: with Woolworth's and I'm going to come back to the

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Speaker 3: off a chain of letters from Nikola. You know that

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Speaker 3: I am so over the supermarket thing. We've discussed this. Stop,

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Speaker 3: stop with the fluffing, just give us, just get to

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Speaker 3: a difference anyway. That's number one. We'll deal with more

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Speaker 1: The world wires on newstalks. 'd be drive us.

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Speaker 3: House representatives are working late into the night as they

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Speaker 3: wrangle over the One Big Beautiful Bill Act. Some Republican

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Speaker 3: are opposing it too. Here's AOC. This bill is a

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Speaker 3: deal with the devil.

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Speaker 8: It explodes our national debts, It militarizes our entire economy.

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Speaker 10: We cannot stand for it, and we will not support it.

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Speaker 3: You should be ashamed. No crying from that one. The

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Speaker 3: Victorian government is bringing in some new regulations to prevent

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Speaker 3: abuse and childcare centers. This comes after two men working

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Speaker 11: That includes the change room, the toilets, and also the

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Speaker 11: sleep quarters. If we're in the immediate measures actually move

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Speaker 11: men out of those intimate spaces. That is one area

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Speaker 3: We will discuss this in the tick. And finally, you can.

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Speaker 12: Tell everybody you see a.

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Speaker 3: Song, yep, that's your song by Elton John, but that's

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Speaker 3: Ali Golding singing it. And it turns out she just

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Speaker 3: loves performing it at weddings. Allie sang it at the

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Speaker 3: royal wedding of Prince William and Kate in twenty eleven,

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Speaker 3: of Jeff and Lauren. You know, Jeff and Lauren, Jeff Bezos,

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Speaker 3: Lauren Sanchez. Who knows. Maybe you can book her for

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Speaker 3: your wedding too.

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 3: Murray Olds, I'll be corresponding.

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Speaker 5: Hello, mus Hello, we had a good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 3: Should we ban men?

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Speaker 5: Well, it's a very very vigorous debate over here, as

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Speaker 5: you might expect. All the data shows ninety seven percent

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Speaker 5: of child sex offenders ninety seven percent are men. So

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Speaker 5: it's not about discrimination. According to those who are supporting

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Speaker 5: this idea that men basically should not work in childcare centers,

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Speaker 5: ninety seven percent of those accused of sexual offenses against

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Speaker 5: that there's allegations this afternoon that this alleged child sex

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Speaker 5: offender worked at more than twenty centers across Melbourne, and

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Speaker 5: those centers have been identified so far. This is the

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Speaker 5: twenty four year old. I think a twenty six year

436
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Speaker 5: old a bigger pardon the twenty six year old who's

437
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Speaker 5: accused of sexually assaulting eight children at one center aged

438
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Speaker 5: five months to two years old. The accused those worked

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Speaker 5: at at least twenty centers. Here's the thing. Twelve hundred children,

440
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Speaker 5: the parents of twelve hundred kiddies have been told to

441
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Speaker 5: go out and get their kids tested for your sitting

442
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Speaker 5: down goner rhea and chlamydia. So you know, it doesn't

443
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Speaker 5: get much more serious than this. So there's very vigorous

444
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Speaker 5: debate about men and being involved. And as you say,

445
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Speaker 5: there's a second fellow now and apparently the alleged child

446
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Speaker 5: sex offender in the childcare setting only came to light

447
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Speaker 5: when police busted the second guy and accused him of

448
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Speaker 5: raping a young man fourteen years old, so a child,

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Speaker 5: I should say. So it's dreadfully, dreadfully murky and horrible,

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Speaker 5: and I mean people are freaking out, as you might

451
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Speaker 5: expect in Melbourne, and so there's very vigorous debate about men,

452
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Speaker 5: about how many centers, and the thing goes on and

453
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Speaker 5: on and on.

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Speaker 3: Mus although the proportion of sex offenders who are mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's a high proportion. What proportion of men

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Speaker 3: do you think are sex offenders?

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Speaker 5: Well, I have no idea.

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Speaker 3: That's probably also a relevant stat right, I mean, just

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Speaker 3: because these two guys are creeps doesn't mean all men

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Speaker 3: are creeps.

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Speaker 5: Now that's true. But you know, I mean, you're limited

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Speaker 5: in terms of being able to sexually abuse children if

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Speaker 5: you're working for you know, Price Waterhouse, you know what

464
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Speaker 5: I mean, if you're in the army, But if you were,

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Speaker 5: if you are one of these people who wants to

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Speaker 5: offend against kids and you're in a childcare setting, it

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Speaker 5: just makes it so much more easy, doesn't it. And

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Speaker 5: that's the allegation. I mean, that's the and that's the

469
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Speaker 5: argument getting propagated over here to day.

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Speaker 3: Listen, did Quantus lose your information? Did people nicke it?

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't know. They've not contacted me, and I

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Speaker 5: am a Quantus frequent flyer, but you know, all of

473
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Speaker 5: Quantus are frequent flyers, and I've not been contacted. But

474
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Speaker 5: those of us who have and those of us who haven't.

475
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Speaker 5: Everyone who flies quant has been warned look out for

476
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Speaker 5: scammer teams in the next few days. Six million people

477
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Speaker 5: caught up in this massive data breach. You've got cyber

478
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Speaker 5: criminals who belted Quantus on Monday. I'm not sure what

479
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Speaker 5: a third party customer servicing platform is, but that's apparently

480
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Speaker 5: what the crooks use to gain access to things like

481
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Speaker 5: customers names, email addresses, phone numbers, birth dates. Freak, but

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Speaker 5: flying numbers, Quanta says. Listen, no credit card details, no

483
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Speaker 5: financial information, so no pens, no logins. But of course

484
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Speaker 5: what other authorities are saying, independent of the airline, all

485
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Speaker 5: the information they've got can be used to create fake

486
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Speaker 5: IDs in your name, in my name, in my brother's name,

487
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Speaker 5: or your cousin's name, so you don't need it. Over here,

488
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Speaker 5: it's one hundred points and you can create a fake identity,

489
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Speaker 5: and you've got all of it, a whole bunch of points.

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Speaker 5: When you've you know, you stack up all of the

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Speaker 5: quantus I D stuff.

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Speaker 3: Mass Why the fifteen year old boys shooting up houses in.

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Speaker 5: Sydney because they think a thousand dollars is a lot

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Speaker 5: of money?

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Speaker 3: Is that what they're getting paid?

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Speaker 5: Well, that was one thing I heard on the on

497
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Speaker 5: the air this morning. As little as a thousand dollars,

498
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Speaker 5: they're given the gun and address a stolen car. They

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Speaker 5: I mean, a lot of these kids would be so

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Speaker 5: small they couldn't see how at the boody steering wheel,

501
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Speaker 5: and here they are. They're given an address, a handgun.

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Speaker 5: In one case, allegedly back in March, a fifteen year

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Speaker 5: old kid is accused of shooting up a home in

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Speaker 5: Maryland's and Sydney's West twenty eight bullets fired from a

505
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Speaker 5: semi automatic rifle at the zime in Maryland's, a woman

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Speaker 5: and four kiddies inside. One of the kids missed by

507
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Speaker 5: millimeters a bullet in his head the wrong address. For

508
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Speaker 5: God's sake, these kids can't even really bloody a text message.

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Speaker 5: And then there's a second case and the you know,

510
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Speaker 5: the allegations a fifteen year old also pulled the trigger

511
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Speaker 5: here with a second boy in April. In the second case,

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Speaker 5: they police are saying that the young woman was known

513
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Speaker 5: to them through associations with organized crime. But here's the thing.

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Speaker 5: It's called air tasking assassinations. I can get someone to

515
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Speaker 5: come to my house and do a tiling job or

516
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Speaker 5: a paint job or whatever it might be. These crims

517
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Speaker 5: dialing up would be assassin's as young as fifteen with

518
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Speaker 5: the promise of a thousand bucks. Imagine that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just crazy, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: Please are saying, Please, are saying. This is not a

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Speaker 5: video game, boys, it is not a video This is

522
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Speaker 5: real life at debt.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And if you want to do this stuff, you'd be

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Speaker 5: in jail for a hell of a long time.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Far too young to even understand it. Must appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Murray Old's Australia correspondent. Oh, by the way, it just

529
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Speaker 3: got a text from somebody. The crowds in Wellington who

530
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Speaker 3: went to see the Blue Bridge, which included the sun,

531
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Speaker 3: were drawn by free coffee and chocolate. Hey, now we

532
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Speaker 3: get to the truth of it. You don't care that

533
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Speaker 3: much about a boat ship ship, as somebody said on

534
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Speaker 3: the text ship, but you do care about the free

535
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Speaker 3: coffee and the chocolate. Now listen on these men. I'll

536
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Speaker 3: be honest with you because I'm a parent of the age.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm a parent with kids of the age

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Speaker 3: that go to ECE. And I am happy that every

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Speaker 3: single teacher at the KINDI is a woman. I am

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Speaker 3: happy about that because I like, I think, well, you know,

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Speaker 3: women feel safer to me than men do. However, can

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Speaker 3: I just make this point, and I think it is

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Speaker 3: an important point. Absolutely, most creeps are men, but not

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Speaker 3: all all All men are creeps by any stretch of

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Speaker 3: the imagination. Right, The number of creeps. The number of

546
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Speaker 3: men who are creeps are tiny, right, And it's unfortunately

547
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Speaker 3: all men suffer because of these creeps. Also, while men

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Speaker 3: may oppose a sexual threat, women pose threats to children too. Right,

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Speaker 3: go and google it. If you are made of sturdy

550
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Speaker 3: enough stuff. I can't google that stuff, so I get

551
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Speaker 3: to upset about it. But there are countless examples of

552
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Speaker 3: women in childcare settings who neglect children, hurt children, hit children,

553
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Speaker 3: all kinds of stuff, weird stuff to children. They just

554
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Speaker 3: really abuse them in a hideous I mean, just look

555
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Speaker 3: at the nuns. Do we need to go any further?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: So you cannot actually just as a rule, trust one

558
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Speaker 3: sex over the other. Both genders can be hideous to kids.

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Speaker 3: What you need is good vetting, and clearly that is

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Speaker 3: what's gone wrong in Victoria.

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Speaker 1: Quarter two for politics with centrics credit, check your customers

562
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Speaker 1: and get payment certainty.

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Speaker 3: Hey, we have, by the way, on politics, got the

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Speaker 3: fourth law and all announcement from National this week, which

565
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Speaker 3: is fine. We've had the shoplifting fines, We've had the oh,

566
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Speaker 3: it's a bunch of them, and then anyway, today we're

567
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Speaker 3: the coward punch. We had our bunch, and then today

568
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Speaker 3: what we've got is the trespassing one. Now the question

569
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Speaker 3: about this is any of these things actually going to work?

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Speaker 3: And are they at risk of becoming something of a

571
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Speaker 3: one trick pony. We're going to speak to a lawyer,

572
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Speaker 3: John Monroe about this. I don't think he is. He's

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Speaker 3: altogether convinced that all of these things in combination will

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Speaker 3: do that much. He's with us after five o'clock right now.

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Speaker 5: Though.

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Speaker 3: Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor. Hey, Thomas, good afternoon. Okay,

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Speaker 3: so we've got the Q three to do list, Are

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Speaker 3: you thrilled?

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Speaker 13: Look, it's fair to say that quarterly action plans are

580
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Speaker 13: probably not my cup of tea and perhaps not the

581
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Speaker 13: audience for them. But look, there's some decent, decent stuff

582
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Speaker 13: on this and to be sure that the Prime Minister

583
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Speaker 13: there are only only two actions of the last plan

584
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Speaker 13: that he didn't take off completely. Some big things as

585
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Speaker 13: wellpealing the ban on offshore all in gas exploration that

586
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Speaker 13: was at a pretty big, pretty big thing that the

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Speaker 13: last government did that the scum wants to repeal. There's

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Speaker 13: a course, the supermarket competition issues that the government has

589
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Speaker 13: promised to address. So it says it will amount to

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Speaker 13: the next steps to improve supermarket competition. Well it's said

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Speaker 13: a good I guess we'll judge. We'll judge the merits

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Speaker 13: at that point by how how they can robust and

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Speaker 13: effective those supermarket competition measures are okay.

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Speaker 3: The two that he hasn't managed to do from Q

595
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Speaker 3: two take cabinet decisions on capital market sectings settings, to

596
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Speaker 3: improve barriers to listing reduced cost firms, blah blah blah,

597
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Speaker 3: enable greater investment of private assess from keep Wesaber provartis

598
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Speaker 3: they're doing that, and they haven't published the AI strategy

599
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Speaker 3: they're doing that. We could probably give them a pass

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Speaker 3: on that.

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Speaker 13: Can't we h Yes, I don't think. I don't think

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Speaker 13: the world is going to stop turning just because those

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Speaker 13: two measures are a wee a week bit least, I think. I.

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Speaker 13: I think I'll give them an a an a A

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Speaker 13: for getting them.

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Speaker 3: In the in the queue. In the Q three, is

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Speaker 3: there anything that surprise is you because a lot of

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Speaker 3: the stuff is stuff that has been pre announced. For example,

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Speaker 3: as you say the oil and Bass, the oil and

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Speaker 3: Gas Exploration Band, we already knew that was going to

611
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Speaker 3: be repealed, The decisions about tightening the benefit eligibility for

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Speaker 3: eighteen and nineteen year olds, already knew that kind of

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Speaker 3: stuff was going to happen. Anything surprising.

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Speaker 13: I haven't gone through all of them that they were now,

615
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Speaker 13: just as afternoons, I haven't got through all of them.

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Speaker 13: Took off stuff that stuff that is new that there

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Speaker 13: hasn't been signaled. One thing they might have signaled this

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Speaker 13: and if they have done, I apologize to not reading it.

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Speaker 13: They're planning to establish a major Events Fund to attract

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Speaker 13: a one off major Events fund to attract large events

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Speaker 13: in New Zealand. Obviously that is going to send probably

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Speaker 13: David Seymour at the Space a little bit because it's

623
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Speaker 13: really not his kind of a cup of tea. But

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Speaker 13: I mentioned National New Zealand versus quite keen on it

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Speaker 13: just a part of money. It sounds like to attract

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Speaker 13: big events and contents to New Zealand. That's quite interesting.

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Speaker 13: I hadn't heard about that before. It doesn't mean they

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Speaker 13: hadn't announced it before, but I hadn't seen it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll take that. Okay, Land Corp. What are they

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Speaker 3: going to do?

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Speaker 13: Thank of well, I think I think they're going to

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Speaker 13: be sold is the issue. It's a land corps which

633
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Speaker 13: trades is parme you. It's the government's farming encity. It

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Speaker 13: actually doesn't own a lot of the land that it's

635
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Speaker 13: farms from other government lands they are. Their chief executive

636
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Speaker 13: pay has been pretty generous in the last a little while.

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Speaker 13: It increased dramatically while their profits haveved over the last

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Speaker 13: three years. Simeon Brown, the State Owned Enterprises Minister, got

639
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Speaker 13: some advice from Treasury officials about all of their state

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Speaker 13: owned enterprises. Basically it found that there was no relationship

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Speaker 13: between the NCY performance and the chief executive pay. Now,

642
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Speaker 13: obviously that's not great and of itself, but the backdrop

643
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Speaker 13: to this is the jungle drums are beating for the

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Speaker 13: twenty twenty six selection to have national running on some

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Speaker 13: policy of pribatization, and this information which which we got

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Speaker 13: in just a generic oa A requests to Treasury, it

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Speaker 13: does suggest that the government is building a case for

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Speaker 13: the fact that these entities are underperformance and it would

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Speaker 13: be better to introduce some private sector energy.

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Speaker 3: Thomas, good to talk to you. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 3: appreciate it. Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor. By the way,

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Speaker 3: we're going to talk about Land Corp a little bit

653
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Speaker 3: more on the show, and we're actually going to talk

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Speaker 3: to Land Corp after six o'clock. Heather, if my son's

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Speaker 3: childcare send to hire a man, I would take my

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Speaker 3: child out of the center. One hundred percent banned men

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Speaker 3: from childcare, eight away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking

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Speaker 1: Breakfast is.

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Speaker 14: Even first and active rejected a cabinet proposal for an

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Speaker 14: independent costing agency. The idea was you wrap numbers around

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Speaker 14: your promises in an election, that's increased transparency and therefore

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Speaker 14: the fiscal whole drama of the past year or so

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Speaker 14: doesn't happens. Even Joyce, former finance minister.

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Speaker 5: Is with us.

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Speaker 2: The problem that happens when you're in opposition is that

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Speaker 2: you don't have access to the information. Though you have

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Speaker 2: to go chasing around oias and parliamentary questions to try

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Speaker 2: and get enough information to build a policy. Internationally, when

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Speaker 2: it happens, nobody still accept it. It's just a different

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Speaker 2: stage of the argument, and ultimately the public just has

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Speaker 2: to form a view whether trust's individual to spend more

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Speaker 2: or less.

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Speaker 14: Back tomorrow at six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 14: Maylee's Real Estate News Talk.

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Speaker 3: Said, be Heather, would you not send your kids to

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Speaker 3: a school with a male teacher? Listen? No, whoa, whoa

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Speaker 3: ho wow, whoa. I'm the one who said said, I'm

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Speaker 3: the one who is suggesting we might all need to

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Speaker 3: just tie her hair and just calm down a little bit, because,

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Speaker 3: as I said, most creeps are men, but not all

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Speaker 3: men are creeps. Sorry here that this is a typical

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Speaker 3: knee jerk reaction in childcare scramming. All men are pedos

684
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Speaker 3: and rapists. You need men in childcare schools, et cetera

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Speaker 3: as good role models. What a young father's meant to

686
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Speaker 3: feel when being called dangerous kidney fiddlers by Dessault default,

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Speaker 3: I'm sick of this nonsense. I agree with Chris listen.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you a story. Okay, So back in the

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Speaker 3: back in the in the what you know, eighties nineties,

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Speaker 3: when the Peter Allis thing was happening, my husband tells

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Speaker 3: the story of it. There was another he was He

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Speaker 3: was a dad at the time, and he had a

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Speaker 3: friend who was a dad at the time, and that

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Speaker 3: friend said, I no longer bath with my daughter because

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Speaker 3: I don't because I'm worried about what people will think.

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Speaker 3: What we need to understand is that there is an

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Speaker 3: impact on all men when we start having conversations like

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Speaker 3: this and saying we need to ban men from childcare

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Speaker 3: centers right and on fathers as well, who start to

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Speaker 3: feel like everybody's watching them. Men are not creeps. Just

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Speaker 3: some people are creeps. Some men are creeps, and they

702
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Speaker 3: should be the ones punished. You don't ban the whole

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Speaker 3: gender just because some of them are creeps. As I said,

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Speaker 3: women can also not be trusted in some instances. By

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Speaker 3: the way, just really quickly, do you remember how Wilworth's

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Speaker 3: It was May last year or something like that. They

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Speaker 3: sent out the email and they sent to a whole

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Speaker 3: bunch of people that they won a prize, and then

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Speaker 3: the people hadn't won the prize. They've done it again,

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Speaker 3: haven't they. They've done it again. They've emailed a whole

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Speaker 3: bunch of people saying that they've earned a poor old

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Speaker 3: ants is one of them? Got an email yesterday at

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Speaker 3: half past two saying, ants you earned a fifteen dollar

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Speaker 3: every day rewards voucher. So did Colin who listens to

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Speaker 3: the show. And then that was half passed through. They

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Speaker 3: were like, yay, got fifteen dollars seven o'clock. Now sorry,

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Speaker 3: made a mistake. Apologize, Oh that, don't tell Nikola that

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Speaker 3: you did that, because she's going to send you an email,

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Speaker 3: isn't she? Wellworths letting people down like that. We're going

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Speaker 3: to speak to John Monroe, the barrister, about whether these

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Speaker 3: four lawn order policy announcements from the government are going

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Speaker 3: to make a jot of difference to things, and then

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Speaker 3: also the boss of the Blue Bridge to find out

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Speaker 3: how we managed to get a ferry so fast when

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Speaker 3: we're still struggling, struggling to get one for kiew we

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Speaker 3: rail so well next newstcp B. If this w.

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Speaker 1: Man digging through the spin to find the real story, oring,

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Speaker 1: it's hither dupasy on drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected news talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be afternoon. We've just had the fourth law and

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Speaker 3: order announcement from the government in five days. This time

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Speaker 3: it's changes to trespass laws, which will increase penalties and

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Speaker 3: also how long people can be trespassed. John Monroe Criminal

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Speaker 3: defense law. Where is with us now? Hallo John? Good

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Speaker 3: evening Now. I imagine the most helpful part of this

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Speaker 3: is actually going to be the ability to trespass somebody

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Speaker 3: from not just one location, but multiple locations.

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Speaker 15: What do you think that sounds like it? Yes, they

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Speaker 15: can do it across a lot of their stores. I

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Speaker 15: suppose like the Warehouse or New World can do it

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Speaker 15: across all of their shops. That's one of the one

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Speaker 15: of the big changes in that law.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Having a look at what's been announced across the

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Speaker 3: four announcements, much of which is dealing with retail crime,

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Speaker 3: is this going to make a difference to retail crime.

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Speaker 15: Do you think it's very difficult to say the changes.

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Speaker 15: That's one major change that we just mentioned. The other

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Speaker 15: changes are increasing the penalties from two years that you

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Speaker 15: can't come back to the premises to three years, I

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Speaker 15: think is the first one, and then another one where

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Speaker 15: if you refuse to give your name and address when trespassed,

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Speaker 15: that's going from five hundred dollars to a thousand, and

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Speaker 15: if you refuse to leave or come back at the time,

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Speaker 15: that's going from one thousand it's two thousand dollars. I mean,

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Speaker 15: I don't really I don't really think those increases are

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Speaker 15: going to make a significant difference to people who are

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Speaker 15: perhaps shoplifting or doing that sort of crime. In any event,

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Speaker 15: most of those sorts of people I would think don't

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Speaker 15: have much money in the first place to end up

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Speaker 15: paying a fine. Does it really deter them? I wouldn't

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Speaker 15: have thought so. I would have thought that having police

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Speaker 15: there and arresting them for a crime really deters people.

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Speaker 15: But I don't know about just increases and fines.

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Speaker 3: Right, So, do you think much more energy should be

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Speaker 3: put into something like police presence? Police will the beat

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Speaker 3: that kind of thing?

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Speaker 15: Well, when you look at all all the changes that

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Speaker 15: have been have been fast and furious in the last

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Speaker 15: sort of month or months.

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Speaker 4: A lot of them.

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Speaker 15: For example, the last one about having a special offense,

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Speaker 15: a specific offense for assaulting a police officer or assaulting

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Speaker 15: a person in the line of duty. That those things,

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Speaker 15: those sorts of aggravating factors are in the Sentencing Act already.

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Speaker 15: So so if you assault the police officer in their

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Speaker 15: line and their duty, then your sentence will get aggravated

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Speaker 15: and increased because of it. So I don't I don't

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Speaker 15: really see what the teeth, but I.

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Speaker 3: Mean this, this expands it to also include am those

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Speaker 3: and fine.

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Speaker 15: No, no, it's it's just it's it's it's in the

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Speaker 15: Sensing Act. I think it's nine. I f around that

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Speaker 15: region there's I think it's health workers as well, in

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Speaker 15: any any of those sorts of.

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Speaker 3: Can I think you take on something because I'm a

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Speaker 3: little bit confused by it, right this read the shoplifting fine.

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Speaker 3: Is it possible for the police to issue a fine

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Speaker 3: to a shoplifter on the spot without determining guilt through

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Speaker 3: the courts.

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Speaker 15: That that's is that a new proposed law.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know of that law.

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Speaker 15: Yet I don't think they can do that at the moment.

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Speaker 4: Proposed.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, would we be okay with that?

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Speaker 15: Well? I don't think so. I think due of course.

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Speaker 15: I think justice needs to think when an allegations.

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Speaker 16: Such as that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, John Justice, Yeah, I really appreciate your

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Speaker 3: time that John Unroe, criminal defense lawyer.

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Speaker 1: Together do for c Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Blue Bridge's new ship has arrived in Wellington. It took

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Speaker 3: six weeks. It sailed all the way from Denmark. Shane

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Speaker 3: McMahon is the CEO of Straight in Z which is

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Speaker 3: the owner of blue Bridge and with us. Now, Hey, Shane,

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Speaker 3: did I hear that?

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Speaker 4: How are you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm well, thank you? How you doing? That was quite

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Speaker 3: a fuss for its arrival, wasn't it?

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Speaker 2: It was?

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Speaker 16: And I'm just looking out the window. So Lesa arrived

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Speaker 16: just before nine this morning. We've taken on about six

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Speaker 16: hundred thousand liters of fuel today and I'm just watching

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Speaker 16: her birth for the first time at Glasgow Wharf. So

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Speaker 16: it's been a very exciting day.

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Speaker 3: Shane. You announced in March that you'd bought it, but

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Speaker 3: how long had it taken to get to that point

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Speaker 3: of actually buying it and announcing it?

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Speaker 16: We had sign off from our board two days prior

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Speaker 16: to Christmas that we had the green light to saurce

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Speaker 16: a replacement for the Strape for rain here. So it's

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Speaker 16: really been seven months from where to go. But I

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Speaker 16: would say we've got very very good, deep relationships with

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Speaker 16: other operators up in Europe, and I think that's the

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Speaker 16: reason we've been able to move so quickly here.

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Speaker 3: So can you explain why it takes you seven months

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Speaker 3: from the minute that you go, okay, we're going to

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Speaker 3: buy it. We've got permission to buyership, let's buy a ship.

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Speaker 3: From that point to the ship arriving, it takes you

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Speaker 3: seven months. And it's twenty months since we canceled the

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Speaker 3: last lot for Key we Roll. We still haven't bought anything.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean we talk about this a lot as

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Speaker 16: a team. We can't control what our competitor does. All

833
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Speaker 16: we can do is focus on what it is that

834
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Speaker 16: we do to make the service better for our customers.

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Speaker 16: So it has been it's been an enormous effort from

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Speaker 16: the team to get the vessel in here. Today we're

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Speaker 16: still not there. We've got the next twenty days. We've

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Speaker 16: got a lot of work, crew familiarizations, and safety check

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Speaker 16: and what have you, and then the vessel will come

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Speaker 16: into service on the twenty third of July. I think

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Speaker 16: you know as a business, we're a private business. We've

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Speaker 16: invested well over two hundred million near fleet over the

843
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Speaker 16: last three years, and we're doing that because obviously we

844
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Speaker 16: want to be able to supply safe, reliable services. We're

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Speaker 16: also trying to push and grow capacity on cook straight.

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Speaker 16: So when we bought the kind of r and two

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Speaker 16: years ago, that increased capacity by thirty five percent, and

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Speaker 16: when Olivia comes in and what is it three weeks time,

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Speaker 16: we'll have another ten percent uplift in capacity.

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Speaker 3: Is your is your vessel bortle least we purchased it

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Speaker 3: is brought, so it is a straight comparison then, So

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Speaker 3: just one final question on this. When the guys, the

853
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Speaker 3: officials said, hey, there told us this is re key,

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Speaker 3: we rail there are no secondhand vessels available in the world.

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Speaker 3: That's obviously not true because you just bought one.

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Speaker 16: Yep, Olivia is a skin vest. She's been flying here

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Speaker 16: trade between Latvia and Germany and the we're just super

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Speaker 16: excited to be getting here into service. Cool.

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Speaker 3: All right, you've just really made a case for why

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Speaker 3: we might need to partially privatize kre we are. I

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Speaker 3: really appreciate it, at least the fairy business. Shane McMahon

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Speaker 3: straight en z ceoc there you go, privatize it, do

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Speaker 3: it privately, can do it properly?

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Speaker 5: Ever?

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Speaker 1: Do for c ellens?

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Speaker 3: Have we got into something here? Hither one of the

867
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 3: best teachers at my child's ECE was a man. All

868
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 3: the kids and parents loved him. Hither we have a

869
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 3: male head teacher at our preschool. Here's the reason my

870
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 3: kids go there. Here is the best. They cannot all

871
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 3: be tarred with the same brush. Hither my wife runds

872
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 3: a daycare has a male reliever. My son attends and

873
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 3: has learned so much from him. Very sexist views on

874
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 3: this very disappointing. Here the considering the number of fatherless

875
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 3: kids out there, we need more men and child care,

876
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,479
Speaker 3: not less, not fewer, fewer susan fewer. Sorry I blame

877
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 3: myself for having read it for batim. Anyway, we'll take

878
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 3: it to the huddle. Fourteen past five. Have you heard

879
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 3: of passenger parenting? I'm gonna have to tell you about that. Actually,

880
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 3: we're going to talk about it after half past but

881
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 3: right now seventeen past five. It is the first All

882
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 3: Blacks game of the year this Saturday, of course, playing

883
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 3: the first of three Tests against France in Dunedin. Got

884
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 3: four debutantes named in the side. And from Dunedin we

885
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 3: have the All Blacks assistant coach Scott Hansen.

886
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 17: Hay, Scott, Hey, here the hell are you today?

887
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 4: Well?

888
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 3: Thank you? All those four fresh ones are a surprise.

889
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 17: Aim well, they will deserve it, so we're excited for

890
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 17: them and their families. It's always a proud moment when

891
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 17: you are named to be an All back, but also

892
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 17: for your first Test cap. So the excitement in the

893
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 17: room to see the smiles and the joy on their

894
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 17: faces a cool moment is a little bit.

895
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 3: Of it that you can also afford to take a

896
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 3: bit of a chance on, like as big a number

897
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 3: of fresh ones because the French side is so rubbish.

898
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 17: Oh yeah, I said the narrative you're given there, it's

899
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 17: not the narrative we're giving it all. We see the

900
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 17: French as a very good side with a lot of depth.

901
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 17: They play one of the best competitions domestically in the world,

902
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 17: the Six Nations champions. They're coming down here with no fear.

903
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 17: What we've selected either as a team we feel will

904
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Speaker 17: allow us to play the game that we need this weekend,

905
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 17: and included in that is for deputonte so we're really

906
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 17: excited for them and the opportunity in front of us.

907
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 3: Why is Demo on the bench, Oh.

908
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 17: He's going to give us what we need around that bench. Also,

909
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 17: just his ability to ignite our game both at teen

910
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 17: and fullback bod yet teen leads us well. They both

911
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 17: have the opportunity to lead the All Blacks at ten.

912
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 17: They've both got the skills to play fullbacks too, so

913
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 17: we're very lucky in that sense.

914
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 3: Do you think that this will be the way that

915
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 3: you roll it with Boden Barrett starting, Damian McKenzie coming

916
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 3: off the bench, or will you kind of for the

917
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 3: season or will you mix it up game to game?

918
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 3: Do you think?

919
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 5: Yeah?

920
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 17: I think so heither. I just think our ability to

921
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 17: have our talent in different areas of the field, the

922
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 17: ability for us to just our game with both Dmac

923
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 17: and body, and you've obviously got a Ruben love there

924
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 17: too around just you know, pushing and challenging those two,

925
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 17: which has been great for us in the last couple

926
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Speaker 17: of days. At training. But I think we're really confident

927
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 17: in our group and who will go out each weekend

928
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Speaker 17: and put on whatever number juty that may be.

929
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 3: How are you feeling about the season? Last season was

930
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 3: a little bit kind of hit and miss, which was

931
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 3: fair enough for a new coaching team and you know,

932
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 3: so on, But how are you feeling. Are you feeling

933
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 3: like you guys are going to nail it this year?

934
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 17: I'm feeling really confident with the group who we've got.

935
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 17: The leadership group's been outstanding heither around grabbing this group,

936
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 17: connecting them early and being really decisive around our game

937
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 17: and what that looks like. So this time of the year,

938
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 17: there's always excitement around what's in front of you. You're

939
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 17: always going to go through challenges, You're always going to learn.

940
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 17: I won't always be perfect for us. We'll adjust, we'll adapt,

941
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 17: we'll learn. We know it's going to be that season.

942
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 17: It's a very challenging one, but one we're definitely very

943
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 17: excited for.

944
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 3: Good luck, Scott, really hope you do well that Scott Hansen,

945
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 3: All Blacks assistant coach from Dunedin are Heather Bluebridge Fairies

946
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 3: don't carry rail freight and the government fairies do, and

947
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 3: the government fairies are brand new. Hence the longer time

948
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 3: frame are wrong, Kevin. The government fiies are new because

949
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 3: the government told us that we couldn't buy any secondhand

950
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 3: fairies because there were no secondhand fairies available in the

951
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 3: whole world. That's why we're getting new ones. But actually

952
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 3: there were some available, and one of them has just

953
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 3: arrived in Wellington from Denmark, owned by the opposition. Now listen,

954
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 3: passenger parenting. I told you this is I'm sorry to

955
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 3: couples who are not hetero as very heteronormative of us,

956
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 3: isn't it. But we're talking about hetero couples here, passenger largely,

957
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 3: it can happen to homosexual couples as well. But with

958
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 3: the example that we're using is here, I feel like

959
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 3: I'm over explaining, aren't I Just move on? Okay? So

960
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 3: the example that I use is moms and dads, and

961
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 3: often you will find I'm going to get myself in

962
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 3: big trouble with everybody. Right now, you will find that

963
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 3: in the passenger parenting example, it's the mum that does

964
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,919
Speaker 3: everything and it's the dad that is the passenger, right

965
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 3: And the reason for this could be as in like

966
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 3: it comes along with the right but doesn't do any

967
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 3: of the driving, if you know what I'm saying. And

968
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 3: the reasons could be multiple reasons. Maybe the mum's overbearing,

969
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 3: maybe the mum wants to do everything and then the

970
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 3: dad feels excluded, or maybe the dad just is actually

971
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 3: quite useless and doesn't want to do anything. Anyway, no

972
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 3: one loves it. No one in this in this particular

973
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 3: example loves it. Mom doesn't love it because she's stressed out.

974
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 3: Dad doesn't love it because he's left out. The term

975
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: has been coined by Norma Barrett, who is something of

976
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 3: a parenting expert. She's going to be with us after

977
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 3: half past five, and obviously we're going to try and

978
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 3: figure out how to stop this thing from happening five two.

979
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: Checking the point of the story, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen

980
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and youth dogs.

981
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 3: That'd be one of the things people are talking about today, obviously,

982
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 3: is certain Taylor's open letter to Jacinda. I'm giving you

983
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 3: your trigger warning. Now we are going to be talking

984
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 3: about this before six o'clock. Right now, it's twenty four

985
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 3: past five. Now, you do not have to be a

986
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 3: rocket scientist, I think to figure out that Land Corp

987
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 3: is in trouble with the government and the latest problem

988
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 3: is what the boss is being paid. So the government's

989
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 3: taking a look at all of its SOE state owned enterprises,

990
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 3: how they're performing, and then how the bosses are paid,

991
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 3: and whether the bosses are paid a reasonable amount considering

992
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 3: the SOE's performance. Land Corp not at all. This is

993
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 3: the one they're most worried about because Land Corp is

994
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 3: consistently underperforming and yet the boss is raking it in.

995
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 3: Chief executive has Look, I just want to say, I

996
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 3: don't have a problem with people making mega dollars, but

997
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 3: if you're making mega dollars, a better be because you're

998
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 3: doing good things. And the question here is whether this

999
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 3: is fair that chief executives pay has gone from seven

1000
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty thousand dollars three years ago to more

1001
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 3: than nine hundred and thirty thousand dollars last year despite

1002
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 3: the profit nearly halving from about sixty five million to

1003
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 3: about thirty six million. So it's gone the pays going

1004
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 3: that way, profits going that way. Minister Responsible Simion Brown

1005
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 3: is not happy because he wants Chief executives Pay to

1006
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 3: be closely tied to performance, he says, and he's written

1007
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 3: to the board chair saying that so this leaves Langcorp

1008
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 3: with two options. Either the chief executives Pay stops right

1009
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 3: there and only goes up again when the performance improves. Frankly,

1010
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 3: they might want to consider actually bringing it back down again.

1011
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 3: Or Land Corp has to lift its performance big time.

1012
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 3: And Land Corp actually hasn't got any excuses for not

1013
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 3: doing that because farmers up and down this country are

1014
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 3: raking it in at the moment. It's just Land Corp

1015
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,479
Speaker 3: can't quite manage to do what the other farmers are doing.

1016
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 3: We had a farmer, Grant McCallum of the National Party

1017
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 3: on the show a few weeks back, saying, for the

1018
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 3: two billion dollars worth of assets that Land Corp is gone,

1019
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 3: it should be making in net operating profit about one

1020
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 3: hundred to two hundred million dollars minimum one hundred more

1021
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 3: like two hundred million dollars annually. Instead it made twenty

1022
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 3: million dollars last year because it got distracted with silly

1023
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 3: ideas like trying to milk deer. Now, the troubleful Land

1024
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 3: Corp is that It's been warned for years now by

1025
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 3: at least three ministers to buck up its ideas, and

1026
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 3: despite all the warnings, it just simply cannot buck up

1027
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 3: its ideas. So I think it's not going to and

1028
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 3: I think it will be sold down if this government

1029
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 3: wins next year's election.

1030
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 4: Heather dupery Ala and the.

1031
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 3: Chief Operating Officer of land Corpus with us after six Okay,

1032
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 3: I started the show telling you about Rachel Reeves, the

1033
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 3: Chancellor in the UK, bursting into tears in the Commons.

1034
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 3: What happened was, so this was overnight, but this has

1035
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 3: been coming for a few days. She was crying, apparently

1036
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 3: on Saturday because they were trying to deal with the

1037
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 3: rebellion forcing a U turn from her on her fiscal plan.

1038
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 3: So she's crying on Saturday. And then yesterday she was

1039
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 3: in the Commons and she was taking too long to

1040
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 3: answer questions. She's not very good at it, and the

1041
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 3: Speaker of the House started trying to get her to

1042
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 3: shut up, and she wasn't taking any notice of it,

1043
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 3: and finally he goes order and she goes, oh right fine,

1044
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 3: and sits down and rolls her eyes. Nobody is aware

1045
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 3: of this at the time, but the speaker sees it

1046
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 3: and he's not happy. So on her way into the

1047
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 3: Commons overnight, he stops her before she goes in, and

1048
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 3: he has a real crack at her by the sounds

1049
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 3: of things for a couple of minutes, and she is

1050
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 3: so tells rough and whatnot. She's so upset that when

1051
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 3: she walks into the commons, she's visibly already upset and

1052
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 3: goes to sit down, accidentally sits on an sits on

1053
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 3: another MP's lap. I mean, the poor woman. Think about it.

1054
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 3: If you're going to sit down and you completely miss

1055
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 3: your seat and you're on the lap of thank god,

1056
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 3: a female MP, but you're sitting on your colleagues lap,

1057
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 3: things are not good. And then of course the crying

1058
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 3: happens because Kia's a dickhead. I mean, look, if you

1059
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 3: haven't come, you haven't realized this by now, Sir Kia Starmer,

1060
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 3: is Lily Livid's waste of space? Anyway, we'll talk to

1061
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 3: the huddle about whether women should cry in public. Shortly,

1062
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 3: News Talk's EMP.

1063
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Speaker 1: After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather First

1064
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: Bed's Heather dujs Ellen drive with One New Zealand let's

1065
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: get connected news talks, hed been.

1066
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 9: Bator, Suity.

1067
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 5: Urs you me.

1068
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 3: Standing by John Williams and Gareth Who's will be with

1069
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 3: us shortly? Right now? It's twenty four away from six

1070
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 3: now when you study on fatherhood has coined a phrase

1071
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 3: passenger parenting. Now, a passenger parent is the parent, usually

1072
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 3: the dad. It just comes along for the ride but

1073
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 3: doesn't actually do that much, leaving the mum to do

1074
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Speaker 3: all the heavy lifting. Norma Barrett from Deacon University and

1075
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 3: Victoria is the co author of the study High Norma, Hi, Heather.

1076
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 3: Whose fault is this? Is it the mother for taking over?

1077
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 3: Or is it the father for being slack?

1078
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Speaker 10: Or Heather? It's not that simple. We know parenting is

1079
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Speaker 10: a complex game, so I'm not going to go into

1080
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Speaker 10: picking favorites, but I can say, look the way things

1081
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 10: play out when we're parenting, and how we expect it's

1082
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 10: going to be and how it actually happens in reality

1083
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 10: can often be quite different, and it can be a

1084
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Speaker 10: tricky time when we're trying to work out our new

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00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 10: rules as parents and young children.

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Speaker 3: Norma, is it fair to say it could be? It

1087
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 3: could either it could actually be any any of the

1088
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 3: three possibilities. It could be the mothers too overbearing, or

1089
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 3: the father is two hands off, or it could simply

1090
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 3: be that they're doing both of the things at the

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Speaker 3: same time.

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Speaker 10: There could be a bit of both. That's right, I

1093
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 10: think to try and boil it down to that, I suppose,

1094
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 10: you know, would discount a lot of the subtleties in

1095
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 10: terms of how things play out. And often we're learning

1096
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 10: this on the fly. You know, we don't get the

1097
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 10: manual for the child at the beginning, and we don't

1098
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 10: know how we're going to feel about things later on.

1099
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 10: So often we think, oh, I'm going to have this

1100
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 10: parenting style, but in reality, when we're presented with situations,

1101
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 10: we adopt different approaches. Often we start out and we think, oh,

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00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 10: I'm going to be a stay at home.

1103
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 7: Parent or I'm going to be a working parent.

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00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 10: And sometimes we think, actually, I'd rather have more time

1105
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 10: either at home or at work. And so it's changing

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00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 10: all the time, and it can be difficult to try

1107
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 10: and negotiate that when you don't know what you're going

1108
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 10: to feel like when it actually happens.

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Speaker 3: Okay, to talk to me as a mom, right, so

1110
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 3: as a mom, I probably no, let's not sell the song.

1111
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 3: Let's not be soft about it. Okay, I do basically

1112
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 3: everything right as a mom. No, that's not fair either

1113
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 3: on him. I'm doing it now, aren't I? Okay? As

1114
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 3: a mom, I do a lot, and sometimes I can

1115
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 3: feel a little bit resentful. But what I'm now realizing

1116
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 3: is that while I don't like having all the mental

1117
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 3: load and all that stuff on me, he might not

1118
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 3: like the fact that he's being cut out so much.

1119
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 3: It sucks for both parents.

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Speaker 10: It's tricky because often when the parent who you know,

1121
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 10: is trying to carve out space to actually be more active,

1122
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 10: sometimes they might feel like that they're stepping on toes.

1123
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Speaker 10: And we have to think about, Okay, if I don't

1124
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 10: want to carry all the load, am I comfortable with

1125
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 10: handing it some things over to somebody else? And am

1126
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 10: I going to be accepting of how they do things?

1127
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 10: Because we all do things in different ways. Are we

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Speaker 10: accepting of how somebody else prepares the lunchbox?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 10: So it's interesting the dynamic, and it's really tricky for fathers,

1131
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 10: I think, because in those early stages, you know, their

1132
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 10: first kind of feeling of being a parent can often

1133
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 10: be after the birth whereas for mothers, biologically, you know,

1134
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 10: they're typically you know, they're they're already kind of feeling

1135
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 10: they're more on the parenting journey and at the center

1136
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 10: of that, and rightly so with their health care and

1137
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 10: everything that's attached with that. But for fathers, they're kind of,

1138
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 10: you know, this responsibility tends to kick in based on

1139
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 10: the conversations I've had, you know, at the birth, and

1140
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 10: so trying to work out then to kind of slot

1141
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 10: into the journey at that point can be a little

1142
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 10: bit tricky. And the other thing that's a bit tricky

1143
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 10: is that typically mothers, you know, working mothers, and if

1144
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 10: they get a break from work, often they're the parent

1145
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 10: that takes that chunk of time in the very early days,

1146
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 10: so they get to do a lot of their training,

1147
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 10: they've got time kind of put to one side, whereas

1148
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 10: father's typically, you know, these days, fathers tend to get

1149
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 10: a bit more time off of work, which is great,

1150
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 10: but often return to work quite soon after the arrival

1151
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 10: of a child, so they don't have that time to

1152
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 10: kind of grow into the room. That kind of rushed

1153
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 10: back into everyday life again. And then naturally the mother

1154
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 10: tends to pick up a lot of the duties and

1155
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 10: the caring duties, and then you know you have this

1156
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 10: dynamic set up already who the primary careror, who the

1157
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 10: main carer is, and trying to transition out of that

1158
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 10: is really hard if that's something that families want to

1159
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 10: do without stepping up tools.

1160
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Speaker 3: Norma, thank you very much. I really appreciate Norma Barrett,

1161
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 3: who is the co author of the study from Deacon

1162
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 3: University in Victoria. By the way, we do not have

1163
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 3: passenger parenting in our family anymore. We fixed it, completely

1164
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 3: fixed it. I'm going to tell you how later on

1165
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 3: right now, nineteen away from six.

1166
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find.

1167
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,439
Speaker 3: You're one of a kind with us on the huddle,

1168
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 3: Gareth Hugh's director of the Well Being Economy Alliance outsiad

1169
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 3: Or obviously former Green MP, and Jordan Williams of the

1170
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 3: Taxpayers Union. Hello, lats you do that, Gareth, you've got

1171
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 3: two teenagers? You have any passenger parenting going on?

1172
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Speaker 18: Yeah, I've probably been guilty of it in the past,

1173
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 18: if I honest. It's funny. Also, there's a bit of

1174
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 18: a social thing that happens sometimes when I'm the main

1175
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 18: parent listed on the school of the end or whatever.

1176
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 18: It's the school who still calls their mum rather than me.

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Speaker 18: So yeah, I think, not like you here, that we've

1178
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 18: put a lot of work into it, and I don't

1179
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 18: think we call ourselves passenger parents anymore.

1180
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, what about you, Jordan.

1181
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Speaker 4: I think it always changes, although my kids are still

1182
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 4: quite young.

1183
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 3: But I'm what does that mean?

1184
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 4: Well, sometimes children the good cop bad cop routine. I

1185
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 4: can told my two year old off at the table

1186
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 4: and my five year old told me off for leaving

1187
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 4: the table early to come and do this interview. So

1188
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 4: I mean, like any relationship, though, there's there's ems and flows.

1189
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Speaker 4: But as I've said on the show before, I picked well,

1190
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 4: my other half's a pediatric intensive care nurse, so there

1191
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 4: are some matters where I am the passenger and I have.

1192
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,439
Speaker 3: To give you to the Jordan. To be fair to you,

1193
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 3: your other half is on is actually not working right

1194
00:55:58,400 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 3: it's full time parenting.

1195
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 4: Well she works part time, but yeah, I mean we

1196
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 4: like partnership. You specialize and that's normal and that will

1197
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,720
Speaker 4: change as as the kids get As the kids get older,

1198
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 4: and you might want to go back to work full time.

1199
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 3: For example, Laura, the German is shaking her head at

1200
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 3: you right now. Why Why are you shaking your head

1201
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 3: at him?

1202
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 4: Laura, La, She's always telling me off.

1203
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 3: She says, you're you're copping out. As a cop out,

1204
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 3: she said.

1205
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:31,720
Speaker 4: I picked my bad. Sometimes I have to defer to management.

1206
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 3: No, that's fair enough. Hey, Gareth, I saw Rachel Reeves

1207
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 3: crying in the House of Commons in Parliament and I

1208
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 3: feel incredibly sorry for her. She's in a difficult position

1209
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 3: and she's trying so hard not to cry. But I

1210
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 3: want women in big positions like that to stop crying

1211
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 3: in public. What do you think?

1212
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 16: Oh?

1213
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 18: I saw the video too, and it was kind of heartbreaking.

1214
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,919
Speaker 18: She looked so tired and so exhausted. She's clearly been

1215
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 18: through a lot with this massive, contentious bills that's gone through.

1216
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 4: But look, we've got so.

1217
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 18: Much worse in our parliament or when you go to Westminster.

1218
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 18: I'd much rather someone was a true person. And you

1219
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 18: know sheard some emotion rather than yelling or insulting. If

1220
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 18: people haven't seen the footage, you know this is kind

1221
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 18: of a zoomed and image of her standing behind Starma

1222
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 18: giving a speech. It's not like she was giving a

1223
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 18: speech on the state of the British economy. You know,

1224
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 18: she had to express confidence and know and the important

1225
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 18: thing private issue.

1226
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 3: The important thing, Gareth is that she's sitting there having

1227
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 3: done all his dirty work for him, while he is

1228
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 3: basically making it clear that he might fire her. Right,

1229
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 3: so you can understand why she wants to cry. But

1230
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 3: I don't think women should cry in public. We should

1231
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 3: take it, take it away and do it privately, don't

1232
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 3: you think.

1233
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Speaker 18: I think it would be better if some men politicians

1234
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 18: actually expressed their emotions and sometimes place where everyone's welcome.

1235
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, what do you think, Jordan?

1236
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 4: I keen to believe that in the stuff upper lip,

1237
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 4: But that's naive, you know, but we often forget that

1238
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 4: politicians are human. And I much to the left wing

1239
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 4: twitter back then or the spin offs delight, I once

1240
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 4: cried in court and I deeply embarrassed, but it was

1241
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 4: human and politicians are human too. I think that it is.

1242
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 4: I don't think that it is a weakness or anything.

1243
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 4: At least its sort of over the top. And I

1244
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 4: know we live in a world now where everything's overly

1245
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 4: emotional and catastrophized and over the top and we send

1246
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 4: to encourage emotions, but I actually think that was the

1247
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 4: case here. This this politician, you know, her whole life

1248
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 4: has been leading up to this moment and she's failing,

1249
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 4: and she's so clearly she's failing in front of the

1250
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 4: whole of Britain.

1251
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Speaker 3: Well and now because she cried in front of them,

1252
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 3: they absolutely know it. But I appreciate your views on it.

1253
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 3: Will take a break come back quarter two.

1254
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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty achieve extraordinary

1255
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: results with un parallel reach.

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Speaker 3: Back on the Huddle, Jordan Williams and Gareth Hughes. Jordan,

1257
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 3: are you impressed with the law and order announcements from

1258
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 3: the government this week?

1259
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was when I saw it, but when I

1260
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 4: dig into the detail and I had a quick chat

1261
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 4: to the sensubl Sentencing Trust people and they're really unimpressed,

1262
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 4: particularly the coward punch announcement. It's actually a bit of

1263
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 4: a scam because at the moment that's often very occasionally

1264
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 4: charges murder, but usually charged with manslaughter, which this is

1265
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 4: just going to replace. And it doesn't have a minimum sentence,

1266
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 4: unlike Australia, where a lot of states have put in

1267
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 4: coward punch legislation. In fact one, I understand a minimum

1268
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 4: of eight years, so really saying that we're taking this seriously.

1269
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 4: In New Zealand under this, it's going to be no different.

1270
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 4: We get home detention or if it's a really bad case,

1271
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 4: three or four years. So it's a little bit of

1272
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 4: window dressing. They might be being a little bit hard.

1273
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 4: Simply a government talking about law and order and saying

1274
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 4: we getting tough does actually have a detrimental effect. It's

1275
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 4: probably why when some states in the US have three

1276
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 4: strikes legislation, it's not just that state, it's actually neighboring states.

1277
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 4: It's been shown it reduces crime. Simply getting the message

1278
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 4: that the new sheriff in town sues the pun is

1279
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 4: actually does appear to make a difference. So maybe the

1280
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 4: jawboning to talk down crime, But in terms of the

1281
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 4: actual senen thing, some of these things are pretty hollow.

1282
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 18: What do you think, Garrett, Yeah, I agree with Jordan.

1283
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 18: Might be the first time ever this is you know,

1284
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 18: I think a case these series of announcement long on

1285
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 18: public relations, but very short on evidence or any proof

1286
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 18: how these are going to be effective at all. You

1287
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 18: know they're trying to I think they're on the politically

1288
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 18: on the back foot where you know that you know,

1289
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 18: crime is the fifth highest issue on the IPSOS issue

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Speaker 18: of issues that matter to Kiwis at the moment, whether

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Speaker 18: on the back foot when the police had a memoy

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Speaker 18: this year saying that shoplifting wasn't going to be investigated.

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Speaker 18: You know, it's not coming down fast enough, and so

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Speaker 18: they're going for the simplest, quickest policies that get a

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Speaker 18: headline rather than really address the root issues or even

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Speaker 18: some of the systemic issues that we know are causing

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Speaker 18: these issues. What they're trying to demonstrate is what Jordan's

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Speaker 18: saying through this flurry of releases, that they're really focused

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Speaker 18: on crime. And that's I think the lesson the left

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Speaker 18: ship pick up too. They don't want to look like

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Speaker 18: they're not focused on crime because ultimately it's many of

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Speaker 18: the lowest paid, the most vulnerable our society who are

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Speaker 18: the victims of that crime itself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah too. Right now, Jordan, there is a called out

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Speaker 3: of Victoria apropos. What's going on with these guys in

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Speaker 3: the child care center? To ban men from childcare centers

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Speaker 3: all together?

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Speaker 4: What do you think I've quite shocked about how wide

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Speaker 4: spread in some of these horrendous cases in Australia.

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Speaker 13: I didn't quite.

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Speaker 4: I hadn't realized it was quite that bad. But I mean,

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Speaker 4: the owners of the owner of our child my two

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Speaker 4: year olds child centers a bloke. I think it's quite

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Speaker 4: good to have men in these child care centers, especially

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Speaker 4: when we've got and it's just like there's very few

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Speaker 4: male school teachers at primary schools in a society where

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of absent dads and a lot of

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Speaker 4: single parent families with dad not in the household. I

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Speaker 4: think it's a great shame and the idea of banning

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Speaker 4: men from being able to work at childcare centers I

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Speaker 4: think is pretty poor. You know, yeah, I do like

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Speaker 4: cast Everyone shouldn't be painted with that, brother.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. What do you say, Gareth, Well, if.

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Speaker 18: We're going to ban them from child care centers, probably

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Speaker 18: working in churches and movie productions and lawyers offices and

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Speaker 18: other powerful positions. I mean, look, this is a really

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Speaker 18: horrific case. And I understand this guy worked at twenty

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Speaker 18: different centers in the last eight years. I don't even

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Speaker 18: know how this is possible in twenty twenty five. I

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Speaker 18: was a trainee high school teacher about twenty years ago,

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Speaker 18: and back then it was drummed into us, you know,

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Speaker 18: not being in a room with that was a teenager,

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Speaker 18: let alone, you know, a child by yourself. So something's

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Speaker 18: horribly broken down with the rules and the processes. But

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Speaker 18: I agree with Jordan, we probably it might not feel

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Speaker 18: that weird to be saying now, but we probably need

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Speaker 18: more men working in childcare. Census, we've got one of

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Speaker 18: the lowest rates in the world. It's about one point

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Speaker 18: eight percent a male. So we see young kids missing

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Speaker 18: out on rail male role models. You know, the different

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Speaker 18: types of strengths that men bring to these roles. But

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Speaker 18: we've kind of made sure we've got these good protections

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Speaker 18: in place so it can never ever happen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, too right, Thank you so much. Guys appreciated Jordan Williams,

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Speaker 3: Gareth hu'ser Hudle. Gareth makes an excellent point. How could

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Speaker 3: it if you think how kind your day care works nowadays,

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Speaker 3: how on earth could that even happen?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: If somebody was away with kid for an extended period

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Speaker 3: of time, surely people would flag things, wouldn't they. There's

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Speaker 3: something has gone wrong with the guy in Victoria. Eight

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Speaker 3: away from six, it's.

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Speaker 1: The Heather Duper see Alan Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 3: Listen. If you don't love your credit card, right, if

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Speaker 3: you don't, if you don't love the stranglehold that master

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Speaker 3: Card and all those credit card companies have on that

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Speaker 3: kind of thing, there is a disruptor apparently, it's called

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Speaker 3: stable coins. And Sam Dickey Official Funds is going to

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Speaker 3: be at us a little earlier than he normally would be.

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Speaker 3: Normally he is on half past six, but he will

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Speaker 3: be on about quarter past six or thereabouts and talk

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Speaker 3: us through it. Five away from six, Heather on the

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Speaker 3: passenger pairing, passenger parenting. Let's be real. Women are positioned

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Speaker 3: by society as the key parent father secondary, so fathers

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Speaker 3: have society place them as number two. Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: Happens when parents separate and so on. We fixed the

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Speaker 3: passenger parenting actually in our relationship. So we got into

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Speaker 3: a bit of a cycle with the passenger parenting with

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Speaker 3: baby number one. And I'm not sure whether it was

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Speaker 3: because he is it's probably just our personalities. He's quite relaxed.

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Speaker 3: This is the father it's quite relaxed. He's chill, he

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Speaker 3: doesn't like he's not a big tidy upper around the house,

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Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? Whereas I'm kind of

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Speaker 3: like got to tidy up to do everything. And so

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Speaker 3: I just kind of carried that right into the parenting

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Speaker 3: as well. And so my overbearing do everything personality made

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Speaker 3: me do everything, and so he just like naturally took

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Speaker 3: advantage of it and relaxed, and so we got into

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Speaker 3: the cycle of the passenger parenting, who I was doing

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Speaker 3: everything and he wasn't, and I was getting quite resentful

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Speaker 3: about it. So what we decided was with baby number two,

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Speaker 3: we were going to fix it. So what we've done

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Speaker 3: is I did baby. I did three months maternity leave,

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Speaker 3: and he's currently on three months paternity leave, and he

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Speaker 3: has taken over being that baby's primary parent. I stopped

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Speaker 3: breastfeeding overnight and basically stopped, you know, like this one

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Speaker 3: breastfeeder day or whatever. It's nothing much. So he does

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Speaker 3: all the bottles, he changes her, he bathes her, he

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Speaker 3: looks after her, takes her full walks, make sure she's

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Speaker 3: getting the right naps. It's with a bit of help

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Speaker 3: for me. He's getting into the solids with her, and

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Speaker 3: so basically he is her mum. And what we've decided

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Speaker 3: is that even when he comes back to work, he

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Speaker 3: will be her mum. She is his baby. And this

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Speaker 3: is our way of kind of trying to like equal

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Speaker 3: it out right. So, you know, hopefully fingers crossed it last.

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Speaker 3: But it seems to have been a reasonably good way of,

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Speaker 3: you know, disrupting that's not available to every family out there,

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Speaker 3: the ability to do that because a lot, a lot

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Speaker 3: of the time, you know, dads will earn more than

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Speaker 3: mums and they have to go back to work and

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Speaker 3: do the full time job. That's different for us. So

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Speaker 3: we have the ability. But anyway, there is hope out there,

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Speaker 3: mums and dads, there is hope out that you can

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Speaker 3: find a way through it. Fingers crossed for you. Now,

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Speaker 3: I need to, oh, Joan Withers legiond he like, what

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Speaker 3: a legion. We've been talking about women who cry and

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Speaker 3: all that, and by the way, I do have to

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Speaker 3: talk about justin to another woman who cries multiple times

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Speaker 3: through the book, but I also need to talk about

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Speaker 3: Joan Withers doesn't strike me as a woman who cry

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Speaker 3: in public. She said something cool talk about that in

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Speaker 3: a minute. But next up, let's talk to Land corpor

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Speaker 3: find out what's going wrong there, news talks, there.

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Speaker 7: Being coming back, yea believe babies.

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Speaker 4: Something's telling me the same over it.

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Speaker 5: Nooy was a last night, anoy was a last name.

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Speaker 1: Twas fu Bod's down? What were the major cause and

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Speaker 1: how will it affect the economy? The big business questions

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Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen and Mas

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Speaker 1: Insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future us

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Speaker 1: talk said v.

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Speaker 3: Evening. Coming up in the next hour the Sassy Apple.

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Speaker 3: Have you heard of this? This thing is taking off globally.

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Speaker 3: Jamie mckaye will explain. Sam Dickey will explain what stable

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Speaker 3: coins are. And Ender Brady on the reaction in the

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Speaker 3: UK to Rachel Reeve's crying in public in Parliament. Seven

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Speaker 3: past six now the Government zeroing in on land Corp

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Speaker 3: as an example of state owned enterprises that are underperforming.

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Speaker 3: It singled out a number of sos that it says

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Speaker 3: has performed poorly. This is Treasury over the last five

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Speaker 3: years and the worst performers are New Zealand Post met Service,

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Speaker 3: Cordier and Landcorp. LANDCRP was also criticized for the big

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Speaker 3: pay package of its chief executive. The CEE couldn't come

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Speaker 3: on the show tonight, but we have Will Burrett, the

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Speaker 3: chief operating officer of Land Corp.

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Speaker 19: Hi, Will good here, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Do you think that CEO pay or CE

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Speaker 3: pay should go up when profits fall as dramatically as

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Speaker 3: your profit has?

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Speaker 19: I Look, I'm not here to talk about my boss

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Speaker 19: as a salary, but.

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Speaker 3: Let's say, any old, any old s OE. Should the

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Speaker 3: performance of the ce be tied to the performance of

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Speaker 3: the of the s OE?

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Speaker 19: Well, look, I think that's that's for a matter of

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Speaker 19: the board to work with a CE. I'm here to

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Speaker 19: talk about our performance and where we're heading moving forward.

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Speaker 3: Well, tell me about your performance, good or bad.

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Speaker 19: Look, we've been on a journey to be honest hither

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Speaker 19: and that's pretty cliche, but you know, I'm really proud

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Speaker 19: of the last date en months and where the business

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Speaker 19: has just laser focused on on core business principles of animals, pasture, wastage,

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Speaker 19: and and internal optimizations. So you know, we've we've we've

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Speaker 19: come a long way. We've focused on structure, on our systems,

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Speaker 19: and a performance culture that I think we're already starting

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Speaker 19: to embed some really good things.

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Speaker 3: And if you focused on doing your business properly, what

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Speaker 3: have you got rid of? There wasn't part of that?

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Speaker 19: I think just noise, you know, I think we have Well, look,

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Speaker 19: we've we've gone back to basics. If I'm honest, you

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Speaker 19: know that we're not the only agricultural entity over the

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Speaker 19: last wee while it's had to reset itself, focused capital

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Speaker 19: allocation back to the core, strip away some noise from

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Speaker 19: the business and a focus. Well look it's it's actually

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Speaker 19: just focusing on the core principles of farming. So going

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Speaker 19: back to basics, making.

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Speaker 3: Sure where have you stripped away?

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Speaker 19: Well, look, we've focused on putting capital back into the business, Heather,

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Speaker 19: and not.

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Speaker 13: Told you not?

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Speaker 3: Has somebody told you not to give specifics?

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Speaker 19: No, not at all?

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Speaker 5: Do you not know what?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, we have stripped away noise.

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Speaker 7: So and what is I'm just going to.

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Speaker 3: Try one more time and then I'm going to give up.

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Speaker 3: What is that? Always?

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Speaker 19: But we've we've focused capital back into behind farm gate

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Speaker 19: rather than post farm gate. So we've we've reduced you know,

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Speaker 19: Palmu food, that's that's been consolidated down in where we

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Speaker 19: are driving you know, the other areas of those post

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Speaker 19: farm gate investments harder. But then behind farm Gate, which

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Speaker 19: is the bulk of the investment in the asset across

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Speaker 19: the two billion assets were focused on driving physical performance

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Speaker 19: which we can control and we can control costs.

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Speaker 3: Do you still milk deer?

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Speaker 2: Yes? We do?

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Speaker 3: Is that a good idea?

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Speaker 19: I'll look, that's something that you know, you ask around

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Speaker 19: the purpose of PAMU and we are here to try

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Speaker 19: and challenge some things.

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Speaker 3: See the problem though, isn't it will because a normal

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Speaker 3: father farmer is not going to fat around milking deer,

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Speaker 3: are they? They're just going to get on doing sheep

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Speaker 3: and beef and dairy and and do you think maybe

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Speaker 3: is that part of the problem that what we think

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Speaker 3: you are is the government's farmers. But were you think

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Speaker 3: you are as experimenting.

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Speaker 19: We've got to put a percentage of the asset that

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Speaker 19: we've got into things that are going to trial and

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01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 19: test system designs and potentially new horizons for that.

1504
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 3: Are you forced through through legislation to do that?

1505
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 19: We are forced to make sure that we're driving a

1506
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 19: return and that's what we're focusing.

1507
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:23,640
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, Well, are you forced through legislation or

1508
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 3: through regulation or through any kind of rule to put

1509
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 3: a percentage of what you are doing into you know, experimenting.

1510
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 19: I'd say, we are trying to help the industry and

1511
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 19: seeking out you.

1512
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 3: Okay, that's right from these things, So you're just doing

1513
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 3: that wacky stuff of your own. Bat Now, we had

1514
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 3: we had Grant mccallumon, who you'll be aware of as

1515
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 3: a farmer himself, but also National Party MP. So let's

1516
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 3: be honest, right, he's got some skin in the game

1517
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 3: here that they're obviously lining you people up to sell

1518
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 3: you down. So he's doing he's doing the government's job here,

1519
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 3: but he reckons that you guys should be providing a

1520
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:01,640
Speaker 3: net operating profit of maybe minimum one hundred MILLI, but

1521
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 3: you know, closer to two hundred million, and it's only

1522
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 3: twenty mil So how how do you explain that?

1523
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 19: All we've we've positioned a record profit coming out this

1524
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:13,679
Speaker 19: financial year of between forty one and fifty one million.

1525
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 19: That'll be firmed up and later later of August, I

1526
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 19: think late August will be confirming that. And then we've

1527
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 19: we've got an sci that we were or a statement

1528
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 19: of corporate intent, which is effectively our budget either over

1529
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 19: the next three years. That we'll be landing with the

1530
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 19: Minister later on this month, so that paint paints the pathway,

1531
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 19: and that pathway speaks directly to our focus back on

1532
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 19: the core business. So you know, I'll probably let those

1533
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 19: numbers speak to themselves when they come out.

1534
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 3: Okay, well, thank you, appreciate your time. That's Will Burrett,

1535
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 3: the Chief operating Officer of Land Corp. Nine two nine

1536
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 3: two standard text fees apply, and we will talk to

1537
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 3: Jamie McKay because one hundred percent he will have some

1538
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 3: opinions on this when we talk to him. To Happy News,

1539
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 3: let's talk about Joan Withers. So Joan Withers is given

1540
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 3: an interview today and just on a whole bunch of stuff,

1541
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 3: because of course she's a legend. She's been in the

1542
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:11,560
Speaker 3: she's with the Warehouse Group, director at A and Z

1543
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 3: New Zealand, sky TV, Origin Energy, previously Mercury, Auckland International Airport, TVANZED, Meridian,

1544
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 3: Fairfax Radio Network, you name it, she's been there. She

1545
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 3: was talking this is the thing that caught my attention,

1546
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 3: talking about climate related disclosure requirements. She says, don't talk

1547
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 3: to me about climate reporting. This is what's required of businesses.

1548
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,599
Speaker 3: Don't talk to me about climate reporting. It is taking

1549
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 3: up more director's time than financial statements at the moment.

1550
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 3: That's no exaggeration. That's wacky, isn't it when your climate

1551
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 3: disclosures take more time than your financial disclosures. I'm just

1552
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 3: looking at my board schedules. We've got a dedicated environmental

1553
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 3: and sustainability committee at the warehouse, and I've got three

1554
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 3: meetings coming up specifically on climate transition plans at Origin.

1555
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 3: I think our first report was ninety one pages, and

1556
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 3: the amount of scrutiny that has to go into those

1557
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 3: criminal sanctions pertend for directors here, and not one iota

1558
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 3: of emissions reduces as a result of all of that work,

1559
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 3: which is a fair point. Are you're putting in all

1560
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 3: that effort just to basically say this is what's going on.

1561
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 3: You're not actually helping the environment, You're just talking about

1562
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 3: the environment. She says. If you think that this is greenwashing, right,

1563
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 3: if you're like, well, the climate related disclosures just green washing,

1564
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:22,639
Speaker 3: make you look good, she's actually having the opposite effect

1565
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:26,599
Speaker 3: because directors are so cautious now that they are setting

1566
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 3: their targets low, so they can be absolutely sure that

1567
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 3: they're striking their targets instead of actually trying a little

1568
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 3: bit harder. So it's backfiring. Fourteen past six, It's the

1569
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 3: Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast on my

1570
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 3: Heart Radio powered by news dog Zebbi. Here the clearly

1571
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 3: of the Land Corp executive pay rates tied to how

1572
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 3: much corporate speak they can spin. Hither, that was the

1573
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 3: best interview, Heather. That was a terrible interview. Cliches, a

1574
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 3: vase of not a layman word than there to describe

1575
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 3: Lang Corp's position. Here, the great interview with Lang Corp. Bloke,

1576
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 3: Thank you, Ben, Hither, that was nasty, poor well, thank

1577
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 3: you Mark. Heather, has Mark Robinson moved into farming? Because

1578
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 3: this guy sounds just like him. I don't think that's

1579
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 3: a compliment, Heather. That was painful. Does that guy have

1580
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 3: any experience in farming? I don't know, Steve, I don't

1581
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 3: know that. Do we know anything after that? I don't

1582
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 3: think we do. Do We We know nothing. The only

1583
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 3: thing we do know, though I do feel quite confident

1584
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 3: about this, we do know that there is no rule

1585
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 3: forcing Lang Corp to put money into wacky ideas. They're

1586
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:25,679
Speaker 3: just doing it because it's fun for them. So you're

1587
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 3: welcome for the money I suppose from the taxpayers. Eighteen

1588
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 3: past six. Now it's talk about master Card. Master Card

1589
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 3: has got a bit of a disruptor coming at it

1590
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 3: stable coins. They've been touted as a big way or

1591
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 3: rather away around the big credit card companies. And Sam

1592
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 3: Dicky from Fisher Funds is with us Ello, Sam good

1593
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 3: eating Heather, Okay, talk to me about MasterCard. Why are

1594
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 3: they so profitable?

1595
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 20: Well, they're the ultimate them and visa at the ultimate

1596
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 20: toll road. So they operate a sort of an invisible

1597
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 20: series of pipes or highways that connect three and a

1598
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 20: half billion credit cards, tohundred and fifty million shops or

1599
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 20: merchants across more than two hundred and ten countries. So

1600
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 20: they don't lend money or take credit risk. They simply

1601
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 20: charge a toll will fee every time money moves across

1602
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:13,679
Speaker 20: their invisible pipes. And they've got a super wide mote

1603
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 20: because switching costs are brutal, so banks can't switch payment

1604
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:22,719
Speaker 20: networks without rebuilding entire infrastructures and reissuing millions of credit cards.

1605
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:26,560
Speaker 20: Plus master Card has that ultimate sort of self reinforcing

1606
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 20: network effect mote. So every time a new shop down

1607
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 20: the road from you here there is added to that network.

1608
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,560
Speaker 20: Makes a network more valuable to you as a cardholder.

1609
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 20: And every time you know, I'm added as a new cardholder,

1610
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 20: that makes it more valuable to that shop down the road.

1611
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:42,600
Speaker 20: So it's been said historically it's easier to move a

1612
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 20: mountain than to displace a payment network.

1613
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 3: Interesting, So then what what are stable coins and how

1614
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:49,600
Speaker 3: do they threaten this?

1615
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 20: Yeah, so they're digitally they're like digital dollars on steroids.

1616
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 20: So they are cryptocurrencies peaked one to one to a

1617
01:16:56,360 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 20: major currency like the USD. So issue is a usually

1618
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,560
Speaker 20: non government organizations, and the biggest in the world is

1619
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 20: Tether for example. So the Tether stable coin basically digital

1620
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 20: cash that moves at Internet speed without needing banks or

1621
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 20: card networks. So this threat that you're talking about read

1622
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 20: its head because two things happened very recently in the

1623
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:21,759
Speaker 20: last week or so. The first one is Amazon Walmart,

1624
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 20: So the two biggest retailers in the world are allegedly

1625
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 20: looking at issuing their own stable coins like Tether, so

1626
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 20: they've got the market hopping. In the second one was

1627
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 20: the Genius Act, great name for an act is halfway

1628
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 20: through the legislature lative process in the US, so that

1629
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 20: act creates the first federal framework for regulating stable coins.

1630
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 20: And if you think about it as a user or consumer,

1631
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,719
Speaker 20: that would give you more confidence to use stable coins.

1632
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 20: And while MasterCard charges merchants a few percent per transaction,

1633
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 20: so say you know, I buy one hundred dollars pair

1634
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 20: of sunglasses from a merchant, they would charge that merchant

1635
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 20: three dollars, so the merchant we don't even get sort

1636
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 20: of ninety seven dollars. Stable coins can process payments for

1637
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:06,600
Speaker 20: less than point one of a percent, So on the

1638
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 20: face of it, the barbarians are at the gate. But

1639
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 20: I would just say not so fast, because merchants may

1640
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 20: want to not pay this two or three dollars and

1641
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,599
Speaker 20: bypass the credit card networks. But the lack of incentive

1642
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 20: for you and I to widely use stable coins might

1643
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 20: slow things down. So there's no rewards program for us

1644
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 20: unlike the credit cards, and stable coins can't pay interest

1645
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 20: on cash out unlike savings accounts. And even in a

1646
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 20: worst case scenario, this would only impact ten to twenty

1647
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:38,600
Speaker 20: percent of master Cards business because stable coins are like

1648
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 20: a debit card, you need the funds in the account

1649
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 20: that they have no credit card capability.

1650
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 3: Okay, so what does this mean for investors? Do you think?

1651
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 20: I just think it's a stark reminder that even companies

1652
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 20: with the widest modes so that those brutal switching costs

1653
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:58,640
Speaker 20: and that self reinforcing network effect are going to be

1654
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 20: tested in the future. Give the pace technology and of

1655
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 20: course AI is moving that. So investors just need to

1656
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 20: be more bit vigilant than ever and a little more

1657
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 20: nimble perhaps may have been the past.

1658
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 3: Sam, it's good to talk to you. Thank you. I

1659
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 3: really appreciated that, Sam Dickey. Fascinating stuff of Fisher funds

1660
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 3: really quickly on Tesla. Tesla has reported another slump and

1661
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:22,799
Speaker 3: global sales another one, this time thirteen point five percent decline.

1662
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 3: This is the second quarter, so they delivered in the

1663
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 3: second quarter three hundred and eighty four thousand cars. Compare

1664
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 3: that to the same period last year four hundred and

1665
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 3: forty four thousand, so it's a reasonable Well, what is

1666
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:37,599
Speaker 3: that that's a sixty sixty thousand vehicles drop off? Right?

1667
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 3: Four out of the last six quarters for them have

1668
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 3: been negative they're not even touching the size if you

1669
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 3: have a look at the sales, not even touching the

1670
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 3: sides of what was going on in twenty twenty three.

1671
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 3: And unfortunately for them, it's not looking that great into

1672
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 3: the future either because of the big beautiful bell which

1673
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 3: is going to end the EV tax credit in the

1674
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 3: States six twenty three.

1675
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:01,600
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money matters to you, the

1676
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:05,640
Speaker 1: business hour where the head duperic Ellen and mares insurance

1677
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 1: and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future news talks,

1678
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 1: that'd be heather.

1679
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:12,919
Speaker 3: When I worked at the met Service, all the manager's

1680
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 3: got a bonus and then the next day the car

1681
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 3: park was full of brand new cars, and that showed

1682
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 3: how much cash sloshes around the top of Soez. They

1683
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 3: look after themselves, not New Zealand what are they getting

1684
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 3: a bonus for at the met service for? Do you think, like,

1685
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 3: what did they do right? They get the weather right,

1686
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:31,639
Speaker 3: that's their job, So what did they do right? How

1687
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 3: can I just don't I don't even I don't even

1688
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 3: get it. I don't. I just don't even understand. And

1689
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 3: if I try to understand too much, it just makes

1690
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 3: me too cross about what happens with our money six

1691
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,679
Speaker 3: twenty six. Now listen, this is the biggest entertainment news

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1693
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1694
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Speaker 3: a major sex trafficking and racketeering and prostitution trial over

1695
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Speaker 3: the last few months that you will have been seeing

1696
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 3: in the papers. Jury finally came back today with their

1697
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 3: verdict being found not guilty on his most serious offenses,

1698
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 3: only guilty verdict on two charges of transportation to engage

1699
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 3: in prostitution. This is Diddy's lawyer outside court today.

1700
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Speaker 7: It's a great victory.

1701
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 21: It's a great victory for Sean Colms, It's a great

1702
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 21: victory for the jury system.

1703
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:14,599
Speaker 7: You saw that the.

1704
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 21: Southern District of New York prosecutors came at him with

1705
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 21: all that they had. They're not stopping. But one thing

1706
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 21: stands between all of us and a prison, and that

1707
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,640
Speaker 21: is a jury of twelve citizen.

1708
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Speaker 3: Now obviously most notable as a rat producer because he

1709
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Speaker 3: found bad Boy Records in nineteen ninety three and without

1710
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Speaker 3: him we would never have heard the voices of Mary J.

1711
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Speaker 3: Blige and Usher and Justin Bieber, and they are all great.

1712
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 3: Also one of the world's richest musicians are music artists,

1713
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 3: topping Forbes's Hip Hop Richless twice. What happened is his

1714
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 3: Florida mansion was rated in March last year. Police found,

1715
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 3: amongst other things, parts of AAR fifteen rifles, numerous narcotics,

1716
01:21:53,840 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 3: over one thousand bottles of baby oil. Gross fun fact.

1717
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 3: His lawyer name is Mark I'm just gonna say this phonetically,

1718
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 3: Mark agne Filo. He's married to Karen agne Filo. Happens

1719
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 3: to be defending Luigi MANGIONI. You know what I'm talking about,

1720
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 3: the one who shot the healthcare guy dead on New

1721
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:20,719
Speaker 3: York Street. So there's a there's a legal power couple

1722
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 3: for you if you've ever heard of one. Headlines Next,

1723
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 3: and then let's have a chat to Jamie McKay.

1724
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 1: Approaching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather d

1725
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 1: for Ce Ellen with the business hour and mas insurance

1726
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 1: and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future.

1727
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 4: These talks that'd.

1728
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:55,600
Speaker 9: Be word.

1729
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 3: We have got into Brady with us in ten minutes.

1730
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 3: I'm going to talk to him about Rachel Reeves crying

1731
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 3: in public. Unfortunately, the pound hammering after a bunch of

1732
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 3: market reactions. Essentially, what happened was that because she was

1733
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 3: crying in parliament, everybody put everybody deduced that the reason

1734
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:09,719
Speaker 3: she was crying was because she's going to get the sack,

1735
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 3: and that became obvious to her when she was sitting

1736
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 3: behind kir Starmer talking about her. She realized she's going

1737
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 3: to get the sack, in which case Hope comes in

1738
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 3: next do they have the same approach? And then the

1739
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 3: market moved as a result of that, so Indo Brady

1740
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 3: with us shortly on. That got some good news and

1741
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 3: some bad news about the government's books. Taxes come because

1742
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 3: we've had a look at it in the eleven months

1743
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 3: to whatever now, taxes come in higher than expected. It's

1744
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 3: six hundred and sixteen million dollars more than the budget

1745
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 3: had predicted. But government expenses also came in higher than

1746
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 3: expected two hundred and two hundred and eighty eight million

1747
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 3: dollars higher. Deficit is two hundred and two million dollars

1748
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:49,719
Speaker 3: less than predicted. So it's sitting just under twelve point

1749
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:53,639
Speaker 3: three bill. But the problem is net call crown debt.

1750
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 3: Oh actually no, this is this is the good net

1751
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:58,679
Speaker 3: core crown debt just over one hundred and eighty billion. Again,

1752
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 3: that's lower than forecus by one hundred and twenty million.

1753
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 3: Here's the trouble. At the moment, we are headed for

1754
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 3: a deficit of about fourteen billion for this full year.

1755
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 3: If we do hit the fourteen billion for this full year,

1756
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 3: it's higher than any deficit that we've ever run except

1757
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:16,719
Speaker 3: for the twenty three billion dollar deficit that we recorded

1758
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 3: in the year to June twenty twenty, and that was

1759
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 3: because of COVID. Other than that, other than the year

1760
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 3: of COVID, no other deficit has been as big as this.

1761
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:24,680
Speaker 3: Twenty three Away from seven.

1762
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 1: The Rural Report with MSD Animal Health home of Selvex

1763
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 1: and plus b ends it's only salmonella vaccine.

1764
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 3: Jamie McKay, hosts of the Countries of the Fellow Jamie.

1765
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 22: Hello, Heather, I don't think you'd catch Nicola Willis bawling,

1766
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 22: would she?

1767
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 3: Nah? I don't think so. No, I think, And you've

1768
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 3: just struck on something there that we've been discussing in

1769
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:47,680
Speaker 3: the shows. Takes a certain woman to cry, I think.

1770
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 3: But listen, tell me why. What's your understanding of why

1771
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 3: Land Corp? Gets into funny things like milking deer Are

1772
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:55,760
Speaker 3: there rules that force them to do that or do

1773
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 3: they just do it because I think it's a fun idea.

1774
01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 22: No, I think they've kind of got a mandate. And

1775
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 22: I don't know if this is a written mandate or

1776
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 22: in legislation to be a bit of a guinea pig

1777
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:09,200
Speaker 22: for farming for the nation. And they are doing some

1778
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 22: good stuff, they're probably doing some stuff I disagree with.

1779
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 22: And I think my good friend Grant McCallum, Laura told

1780
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 22: me he's suggesting they should be having a profit at

1781
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 22: two hundred million, which is what ten percent of a

1782
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 22: ten percent return on their asset value of I think

1783
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 22: nearly two billion. I think Grant might be being a

1784
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:30,719
Speaker 22: wee bit tough on them there, simply because there would

1785
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 22: be a number of farming benches. In fact, not many

1786
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 22: would make a ten percent return on capital invested.

1787
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:39,759
Speaker 3: What is a standard return, let's say on assets?

1788
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 22: Right?

1789
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:41,599
Speaker 3: A return on assets? What would be standard?

1790
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 5: Oh?

1791
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:46,599
Speaker 22: Look, I mean she's five or six percent. I would

1792
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 22: say if you could do that in farming, you would

1793
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 22: be doing pretty well. I mean you might get that

1794
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 22: in a dairy farming operation. The kiwi fruit might be

1795
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 22: a bit higher, but sheep and beef traditionally have been

1796
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:00,040
Speaker 22: lower than that, at like two or three percent. But

1797
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:02,680
Speaker 22: Palmu or land Corp, I get confused what they call

1798
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 22: themselves these days way below that, and there is a

1799
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 22: question on whether they're relevant and whether they're a good

1800
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 22: use of our tax payer money. But there is an

1801
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:15,759
Speaker 22: issue with selling them. Of course, if we did sell Palmu,

1802
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 22: it would effectively flood the landmarket and probably make farmers

1803
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 22: across the board properties less. But certainly at the moment

1804
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:27,640
Speaker 22: they would argue they're having a year this year, but

1805
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 22: I would question their farming profitability and whether during these

1806
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:34,640
Speaker 22: tough times, and I just heard you talking about deficits

1807
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:37,680
Speaker 22: and what have you, whether the government needs to be

1808
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 22: in the business of farming, because let's face it, the

1809
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 22: government isn't as good at doing business as private enterprise.

1810
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:47,600
Speaker 22: So ultimately I don't think we should be in the

1811
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 22: business of land Corp or Parmu. Remember it was lands

1812
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 22: and surveys back in the days, and they used to

1813
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:56,720
Speaker 22: settle young farmers on ballot blocks. Maybe they need to

1814
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 22: go back to something like that. I don't know, but

1815
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 22: even that is effectively a subsidy for the farmers who

1816
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 22: were settled.

1817
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 3: You worried about the dairy price.

1818
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 22: I've got to weave it of skin in the game myself,

1819
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:15,559
Speaker 22: and you know, like commodity prices are always cyclical, and

1820
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:17,720
Speaker 22: ten dollars where we are at the moment and where

1821
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:20,679
Speaker 22: we will finish up for this season when they finally

1822
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 22: announce it in September, it'll be ten dollars. It might

1823
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 22: even be a weeed, but more is a really good price.

1824
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 22: And I just think you can't defy gravity forever. I'm

1825
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 22: involved in a dairy farming partnership and I know that

1826
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 22: we fixed a thirty percent of our milk at nine

1827
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 22: point fifty and I was happy with that. So I'm

1828
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 22: I'm a big fan, Heather of taking the taking the

1829
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:50,639
Speaker 22: things you can't control into your own control, eye fixing

1830
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 22: milk price and fixing interest rates, because it cuts out

1831
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 22: a couple of the things you can't control, because you

1832
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 22: can't control international commodity prices and you can't control the

1833
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 22: when you're farming. So look, I did hear expert comments

1834
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 22: commentary yesterday from someone on ENZX saying, no, this is

1835
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:09,880
Speaker 22: just a bit of a blippe. It's this time of

1836
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,640
Speaker 22: the year when there's a lot of milk coming on

1837
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 22: in the Northern Hemisphere and there and Fonterra. I spoke

1838
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 22: to Anna Pellare, the chief operating officer on yesterday's show,

1839
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 22: and she said to me, no, we're still good with

1840
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 22: ten bucks. So they probably know more about it than me.

1841
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 22: But you know, a bird in the hands worth two

1842
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 22: in the bush.

1843
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 3: Jamie, good to talk to you. Look after yourself, Jamie McKay,

1844
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 3: Host of the Country. Look, I'll just talk you through

1845
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:39,200
Speaker 3: return on assets right so at the moment, the return

1846
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 3: on asset that you would get this is basically what

1847
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:43,280
Speaker 3: we were just talking about, Jamie. And know how much money,

1848
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 3: how much money these guys make, given that they've got

1849
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:48,839
Speaker 3: twelve assets of two billion dollars as Land Corp Standard

1850
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 3: return in the good years, a return on assets for

1851
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 3: a dairy farm would be six to eight percent. Some

1852
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 3: say they can get it up to twelve percent, but

1853
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 3: let's just let's be conservative and be fair. So you're

1854
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:01,400
Speaker 3: looking at six to eight percent, and this is in

1855
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 3: the good years, and we are in the good years

1856
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:04,920
Speaker 3: right now, right and sheep and beef farms you should

1857
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 3: be in the good years doing about five percent, So deary,

1858
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 3: and remember Land Corp's doing all of this right. So

1859
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:12,639
Speaker 3: sheep and beef good Year you should be getting about

1860
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 3: five percent, dairy you should be getting about eight percent.

1861
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 3: Land Corp Is getting about three percent. So they are

1862
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:25,160
Speaker 3: quite obviously underperforming and can do better. How much better,

1863
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:27,639
Speaker 3: I don't know. Probably don't hold out hope for the loot.

1864
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 3: I think eighteen away from seven. Together, Brady, shortly, I

1865
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 3: need to talk about Ian Taylor's letter, so this has

1866
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:36,679
Speaker 3: been a bit of a talking point. Ian Taylor, Sir

1867
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 3: Ian Taylor has written an open letter to Justinder title

1868
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 3: published in the paper's title, Dear Justinder, this is the

1869
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 3: most difficult letter I have written to you. Very over

1870
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 3: sold on the headline. I read the headline, I thought,

1871
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 3: here we go, clicked on it. Not not even that harsh.

1872
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 3: I've been harsher. You know that this was about reckon.

1873
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 3: Ian's about six out of ten in this one. Basically

1874
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 3: what's happened? And Desien was at the airport. I think

1875
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 3: it was Duebai. He saw her book. He thought, yeah,

1876
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 3: I might buy it. And I think he's not clear

1877
01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 3: as to whether he did buy it or not. He

1878
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 3: left us guessing, but I think he did. And then

1879
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 3: he basically writes this letter to her about how disappointed

1880
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:16,240
Speaker 3: he is in her. He was stoked at the start

1881
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 3: when we had the he jarb and we had the

1882
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 3: first lockdown and the closing of the boarders in kindness, kindness, kindness.

1883
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:23,280
Speaker 3: He loved it, loved all of that stuff. But now

1884
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:27,320
Speaker 3: he's just gutted, he says, I realize this wasn't leadership anymore.

1885
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 3: It was brand management. The turning point came for me

1886
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:32,800
Speaker 3: on the day that you featured on the cover of

1887
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 3: the New Zealand Women's Weekly in designer clothes, smiling, styled

1888
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 3: and celebrated. On that same day, I received a heart

1889
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:42,479
Speaker 3: wrenching email from a father who had yet to meet

1890
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:45,160
Speaker 3: his seven month old son, presumably kept out by the

1891
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 3: locked borders, and he goes on to express some more

1892
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 3: of his disappointment. His best point, I think, is this

1893
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:53,240
Speaker 3: one reports say that you received over a million dollars

1894
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:55,799
Speaker 3: in advance for your memoir a different kind of power.

1895
01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 3: It's a striking figure, especially for someone who once made

1896
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:03,479
Speaker 3: child poverty her personal mission. Fair point, I think, probably

1897
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 3: a point many of us have thought about. You know,

1898
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 3: you know, care so deeply about people not being poor,

1899
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 3: but then happy to sort of like nap off, go

1900
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:13,360
Speaker 3: to another country and take huge megabucks. What are you

1901
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 3: doing with it? Putting it into child property? Probably not,

1902
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:18,679
Speaker 3: It's okay. It's nothing that you or I haven't said

1903
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:21,720
Speaker 3: or perhaps heard. Maybe it's a surprise to people coming

1904
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:24,679
Speaker 3: from cer Ian Taller because he's actually a very gentle man.

1905
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:27,680
Speaker 3: So maybe that's it. But anyway, you can go read

1906
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 3: it if you want to. It's going to confirm a

1907
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:30,840
Speaker 3: lot of your stuff, but you've probably said harsher things.

1908
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:32,480
Speaker 3: I think sixteen away from seven.

1909
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:36,920
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro microbe or just plain economics. It's all

1910
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:40,479
Speaker 1: on the business hours with Heather Duplicy, Hellen and Mars

1911
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:44,679
Speaker 1: insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future, these

1912
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 1: talks at me.

1913
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:48,519
Speaker 3: Did you see that DEAs Gorman passed away yesterday? It's

1914
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 3: very sad to see that, Ian, Yes, I did, thank you,

1915
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:52,799
Speaker 3: and I did actually hear it. I heard Mike Hosking

1916
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 3: mention it this morning. I am so sorry to see

1917
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:58,639
Speaker 3: that des Gorman has passed away. He was wonderful, very

1918
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:00,720
Speaker 3: generous with this time, always happy to take a phone

1919
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 3: call to talk through things that he was an expert in.

1920
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 3: And I wasn't had a wonderful sense of humor and

1921
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:09,479
Speaker 3: had unfortunately been ill, and it had been open about

1922
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Speaker 3: it for some time. And it also owed me a lunch.

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Speaker 3: I want to bet with him. He owed me a lunch,

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Speaker 3: and I am just so sad. Do you know what.

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Speaker 3: It's one of those things where when you should do

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Speaker 3: the things that you mean to do and not leave

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Speaker 3: them because we didn't have it was supposed to be

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Speaker 3: at Solba and we didn't do it, and now I

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Speaker 3: will not have the chance to do it, and for

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Speaker 3: that I have massive regret. So thank you for sending

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Speaker 3: me that text. I really appreciate it. Ian thirteen away

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Speaker 3: from seven end of Brady Are UK correspondence with us.

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Speaker 5: Hello and hey Heather, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm well? Thank you? So she gets so Rachel reeves.

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Speaker 3: Despite the fact that the Prime Minister was not giving

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Speaker 3: express and confidence in her in the house, he has

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Speaker 3: now subsequently said she will keep her job.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 23: Yes, he's come out in an interview. It's going to

1940
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Speaker 23: be broadcast tomorrow to mark one year of Starmer in

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Speaker 23: power and apparently it's all over the radio this morning

1942
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Speaker 23: here he has said she will remain his chancellor for

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Speaker 23: this term and if they win the next election, she

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Speaker 23: will still be Chancellor by his side. So she is

1945
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Speaker 23: the most important person in the UK government after the

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Speaker 23: Prime Minister. And a lot of people speculating that the

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Speaker 23: reason she was crying is that Kier Starmer is about

1948
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Speaker 23: the sacker. He has come out now and made it

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Speaker 23: clear he is not getting rid of Rachel Reeves.

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Speaker 3: Did you interpret what he said in the House as

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Speaker 3: not expressing confidence in.

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Speaker 23: Her, No, not at all. Look, they've had a rocky

1953
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Speaker 23: week and a lot of the newspapers, completely conservative right

1954
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Speaker 23: wing newspapers, have been ripping into Starmer over the climbdown

1955
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Speaker 23: on the welfare reforms. They've now got a black hole

1956
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Speaker 23: in the public finances. What he should have said yesterday

1957
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Speaker 23: was the reason there's a black hole to begin with

1958
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Speaker 23: is because of the incompetence of the previous shower. He

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Speaker 23: didn't say that, and I think a lot of people

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Speaker 23: were reading into it that this is him kind of

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Speaker 23: passing the book onto her for all of the problems

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Speaker 23: they've had this week. But clearly from what we're hearing

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Speaker 23: in Westminster, there is an issue in her private life

1964
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Speaker 23: and that will remain private, but it all got a

1965
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Speaker 23: bit too much for Rachel Reeves yesterday and she cracked.

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Speaker 3: Good, how bad did you feel for her? Trying so

1967
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Speaker 3: hard not to cry and Anna completely unable to stop herself.

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Speaker 5: I felt very.

1969
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Speaker 23: Sorry for her, and I think politics is a brutal business.

1970
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Speaker 23: It can be very lonely. And she's sitting there. This

1971
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Speaker 23: is all on all the news channels every Wednesday, Prime

1972
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Speaker 23: Minister's Questions a streamed live. Everyone's watching it. I genuinely

1973
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Speaker 23: felt very very sorry for her, because you can't get

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Speaker 23: up and leave.

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Speaker 3: You're in Parliament.

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Speaker 23: It's live on TV and she sat there and you

1977
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Speaker 23: know all the people gloating online. I think it's a

1978
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Speaker 23: tough gig. I think she's making brave decisions and for

1979
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Speaker 23: a woman, I actually think she will come out of this.

1980
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Speaker 23: The public now perhaps might have some more appreciation for

1981
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Speaker 23: how hard she's working, the pressure she's under. And I'll

1982
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Speaker 23: tell you what I think quite strongly about this, Rachel.

1983
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Speaker 23: The nine point two million people in Britain who do

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Speaker 23: not work, are not in education, not in training, doing

1985
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 23: nothing and spending their time on Facebook and Twitter and

1986
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:14,960
Speaker 23: making her life hell. They're the ones who should be

1987
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Speaker 23: feeling shame today, not Rachel reeves too.

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Speaker 3: Right, too rite, get them off the couches and now

1989
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Speaker 3: Lucy Lippy is she going to be charged with more offenses?

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Speaker 23: So she's back on the front pages today. For anyone

1991
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Speaker 23: who's not followed this, she is the baby killer nurse

1992
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Speaker 23: convicted of murdering seven infants and the attempted murder of

1993
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Speaker 23: seven others. She's serving fourteen whole life terms, which means

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Speaker 23: she will die in prison. She will serve every day

1995
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Speaker 23: of her life in prison. Detectives have been looking at

1996
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Speaker 23: her activity in other hospitals and they've now passed a

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Speaker 23: file of evidence to the Crown Prosecution Service to decide

1998
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Speaker 23: whether or not more charges are merited. Turns out that

1999
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Speaker 23: when she was a much younger nurse before the killings

2000
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Speaker 23: started in twenty fifteen, she was at Liverpool Women's Hospital

2001
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Speaker 23: and on forty percent of her shifts there were baby collapses.

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Speaker 23: So it's clear detectives have gone away and started speaking

2003
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Speaker 23: to people there as well. So the file is now

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Speaker 23: with the CPS. We wait and see what they say.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff and I really appreciated look after yourself mate.

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Speaker 3: That's end of Brady UK correspondents. Hey really excited about something.

2007
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Speaker 3: Just want to say quick shout out to the second

2008
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:26,479
Speaker 3: time I think that I'm mentioning him on the show. JK.

2009
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 3: John Kerwin so excited about John Kerwin's surf park. I've

2010
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:34,120
Speaker 3: already decided it's only going to be it's like two

2011
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:36,639
Speaker 3: and a half years before that thing is ready. They're

2012
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:38,479
Speaker 3: building the fight. The reason it's in the news today

2013
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:40,680
Speaker 3: is because they're building five hundred houses with it, as

2014
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:42,719
Speaker 3: well as the surf park, and then all the data

2015
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:44,879
Speaker 3: center and all that kind of stuff, which is very cool. Anyway,

2016
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Speaker 3: it's only going to open in late twenty twenty seven. Oh,

2017
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Speaker 3: I'm already ready. I am ready for it. Thirty minute

2018
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:54,160
Speaker 3: Drop mapped it out thirty minutes from Auckland Central to

2019
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 3: Dairy Flat. I'll be there. I've worked out how old

2020
01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:58,519
Speaker 3: the eldest is going to be by that stage. I

2021
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Speaker 3: reckon he's old enough to get him on a surfboard

2022
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Speaker 3: and give it a bit of a hoon. So don't

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01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:05,160
Speaker 3: let me down, JK. Do it on time. I'm looking

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Speaker 3: forward to it. Ate away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the heather too for See allan Drive full show

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Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Catherine Middleton, Princess of Wales has discussed a little bit

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Speaker 3: about her cancer treatment. She was I think she was

2029
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:26,719
Speaker 3: actually visiting a hospital in eastern England or something like that. Anyway,

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01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:28,240
Speaker 3: she was talking to them about it and she said

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Speaker 3: it was a bit of a roller coaster. She said,

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Speaker 3: you put on and this is earlier what she'd said,

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Speaker 3: you put on a brave face stoicism through treatment, and

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01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:39,000
Speaker 3: then treatment's done, then it's like I can crack on

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Speaker 3: and get back to normal. But actually the phrase afterwards

2036
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Speaker 3: is really difficult, roller coaster, life changing, not one smooth plane.

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Speaker 3: Just as a point of difference, she just cracked on

2038
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Speaker 3: with it. This is I mean, but this is the monarchy.

2039
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:57,120
Speaker 3: She's cracked on with it, didn't let any of her

2040
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Speaker 3: emotions show. And then of course you've got Rachel Reeves

2041
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Speaker 3: who did cry. Now I just want to be clear.

2042
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Speaker 3: I feel very sorry for Rachel Reeves, but I still

2043
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Speaker 3: don't think you should cry in public.

2044
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Speaker 24: Go as Okay, Miley Cyrus jaded to play us out tonight.

2045
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Speaker 24: She is one of the thirty five people who's going

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Speaker 24: to be getting a star on the Hollywood Walk of

2047
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Speaker 24: Fame next year. The whole list has just come out today,

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Speaker 24: so She's getting it in the music category, along with

2049
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Speaker 24: Bone Thugs in Harmony and a whole bunch of names, Oh,

2050
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Speaker 24: Josh Grobin and a whole bunch of names I don't recognize,

2051
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Speaker 24: Shaquille O'Neill. He's going to be getting a star. And

2052
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:30,120
Speaker 24: on the movie side of things, Emily Blunt, Chris Columbus,

2053
01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 24: who directed the first two of Harry Potter movies, Keith David,

2054
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Speaker 24: Demi Moore, Stanley Tucci, Sarah Michelle Jeller for the TV

2055
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Speaker 24: who was Buffy the Vampire Slayers. So a few famous

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Speaker 24: names who are finally going to be getting their stars

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Speaker 24: on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

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Speaker 5: Who is this?

2059
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Speaker 24: Did you say, Miley Cyrus?

2060
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Speaker 3: Oh? I find it interesting that you had of that

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Speaker 3: whole list. I mean I would probably not have played

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Speaker 3: Josh Grobin, But what about Bone Thugs and you chose

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01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:57,320
Speaker 3: Miley over there?

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Speaker 11: Well?

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Speaker 24: Yeah, to be fair, bone things and Harmony being nineties

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01:38:59,479 --> 01:39:01,640
Speaker 24: hip hop, I'm more always like, oh, how hard how

2067
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:02,640
Speaker 24: are you? How long is it going to take me

2068
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:04,320
Speaker 24: to find a song without? As weard, the song does

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01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:05,680
Speaker 24: have one word in it, but I listened to and

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01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:08,120
Speaker 24: came swear word. There's an F word in it, but

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01:39:08,160 --> 01:39:09,360
Speaker 24: it's been cut out in this version.

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Speaker 3: Okay, look, I think because there are children listening, I'm

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01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:15,960
Speaker 3: going to give that to you, and that's fair enough.

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Speaker 24: I'm not gonna I'm not going to looking ConTroll for

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Speaker 24: the BSA. If I don't have to, I will play.

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01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:20,720
Speaker 24: I'll tell you what. I'll play a bone Thanks on

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01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:22,439
Speaker 24: how many songs tomorrow after I've had more time to

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01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:24,519
Speaker 24: check through the catalog for one that's going to be mate.

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Speaker 3: You could definitely use your time, beaut don't you reckon?

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Speaker 24: They're listening to bone Thanks?

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Speaker 5: That harden me.

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Speaker 24: I don't know if there I don't know if I could.

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Speaker 3: No fear enough. Actually you can do that. And it's

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Speaker 3: also like that's a that's a recreational activity, that's extra curricular.

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Speaker 4: You can definitely do that.

2086
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Speaker 3: Because I was worried for a second, I was worried

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Speaker 3: that it was Miley over bone things.

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Speaker 24: And I will say, I do like this song, and

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01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:43,120
Speaker 24: I think it's a good song, and I think she

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Speaker 24: deserves the stuff.

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Speaker 13: I don't know why ants.

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Speaker 3: Always does this to us the oppositely whatever, any things,

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Speaker 3: all right, trolling us see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 12: Is on your body. I'll change my n I'm sorry

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Speaker 12: that YOURTI, your party. I'm sorry that Autil.

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Speaker 3: Hoorry what uje?

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