1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:13,227 Speaker 1: from News Talks ed B Now. 3 00:00:13,267 --> 00:00:16,427 Speaker 2: Jordie Perrett popped up the past the quinter Pine pay support, 4 00:00:16,627 --> 00:00:17,867 Speaker 2: pay support. 5 00:00:17,667 --> 00:00:22,467 Speaker 3: How appropriated cam ROI Guards get the right thirty one 6 00:00:22,547 --> 00:00:25,187 Speaker 3: twenty four. That is the try that sealed victory for 7 00:00:25,227 --> 00:00:28,627 Speaker 3: the All Blacks last night, scored by the game's standout player, 8 00:00:28,707 --> 00:00:32,427 Speaker 3: cam Roy Guard or Black's assistant coach talmoty Ellison is 9 00:00:32,427 --> 00:00:34,307 Speaker 3: with us. Tomody, Thanks for your time this afternoon. What 10 00:00:34,427 --> 00:00:38,267 Speaker 3: was your overriding emotion at the final whistle last night? 11 00:00:39,427 --> 00:00:46,627 Speaker 2: Um, you good question. That's grateful really, you know, like 12 00:00:46,707 --> 00:00:50,387 Speaker 2: grateful for the week in the team singing, coming together 13 00:00:50,467 --> 00:00:54,467 Speaker 2: and you know, great to share the last game here 14 00:00:54,507 --> 00:00:57,547 Speaker 2: in New Zealand there with the preters Cuptain and with 15 00:00:57,707 --> 00:01:00,307 Speaker 2: families and friends in the What were. 16 00:01:00,227 --> 00:01:02,147 Speaker 3: The keys to your victory last night? 17 00:01:03,787 --> 00:01:08,587 Speaker 2: I think by the balance of of the air. You know, 18 00:01:08,627 --> 00:01:11,067 Speaker 2: early in the game when it was drary, were probably 19 00:01:11,067 --> 00:01:15,027 Speaker 2: on the air really well. We got through our target 20 00:01:15,067 --> 00:01:18,587 Speaker 2: and kind of stuck to the strategy. But they came 21 00:01:18,627 --> 00:01:20,667 Speaker 2: back really well though. They've got a greater teching shape 22 00:01:20,667 --> 00:01:24,027 Speaker 2: and I think that the resilience and need to hang 23 00:01:24,067 --> 00:01:24,387 Speaker 2: in there. 24 00:01:25,947 --> 00:01:29,027 Speaker 3: How much did you work on the aerial game after 25 00:01:29,147 --> 00:01:32,627 Speaker 3: the two South African tests. 26 00:01:32,267 --> 00:01:34,907 Speaker 2: It's a constant, you know, like the working week's pretty 27 00:01:36,387 --> 00:01:38,587 Speaker 2: pretty defined. You got to get your big blocks and 28 00:01:38,627 --> 00:01:40,827 Speaker 2: you got to make sure you're you're clear on the 29 00:01:40,867 --> 00:01:43,387 Speaker 2: real fundamentals of the game. So some of it's individual skills, 30 00:01:43,387 --> 00:01:45,867 Speaker 2: some of its strategy around you know, who goes where 31 00:01:45,907 --> 00:01:48,747 Speaker 2: and how we structure things. But it's a constant work 32 00:01:48,787 --> 00:01:53,187 Speaker 2: on for a number of you know, the teams for sure, 33 00:01:53,227 --> 00:01:55,787 Speaker 2: especially around the rules. Now we could continue to adjust 34 00:01:55,827 --> 00:01:59,587 Speaker 2: to the battles in the air, you know, no longer 35 00:01:59,587 --> 00:02:04,627 Speaker 2: able to kind of protect that catcher and and bubble them. 36 00:02:04,667 --> 00:02:07,867 Speaker 2: But it's a real better when the now so just up. 37 00:02:07,867 --> 00:02:10,547 Speaker 3: Filling that he came out of the blocks really quickly 38 00:02:10,547 --> 00:02:13,587 Speaker 3: a try after four minutes and three tries in the 39 00:02:13,587 --> 00:02:17,547 Speaker 3: first twenty four minutes. What gave you instant momentum at 40 00:02:17,587 --> 00:02:18,307 Speaker 3: the start of the game. 41 00:02:19,387 --> 00:02:21,987 Speaker 2: I think we were we had intended to start really 42 00:02:22,307 --> 00:02:24,147 Speaker 2: really fast. We were conscious that they had come out 43 00:02:24,187 --> 00:02:26,827 Speaker 2: the blocks also, so you know, we had to have 44 00:02:26,827 --> 00:02:29,307 Speaker 2: a clear plan around where we wanted to go. And 45 00:02:29,667 --> 00:02:31,867 Speaker 2: I saying will Jordan lost a lot so greasy on 46 00:02:31,867 --> 00:02:34,107 Speaker 2: the field, but he actually said that that was quite dry, 47 00:02:34,187 --> 00:02:39,227 Speaker 2: like we other grip the ball, so they were the 48 00:02:39,267 --> 00:02:41,747 Speaker 2: boys were really fearless and moving the ball and I think, 49 00:02:41,707 --> 00:02:43,467 Speaker 2: you know, they're pretty confident that throughout the game. 50 00:02:44,187 --> 00:02:46,427 Speaker 3: What was your assessment of the last ten minutes in 51 00:02:46,467 --> 00:02:49,187 Speaker 3: the first half when Australia scored a couple of tries 52 00:02:49,187 --> 00:02:51,427 Speaker 3: to close the margin from seventeen down to three. 53 00:02:52,667 --> 00:02:54,467 Speaker 4: As as a part of the game, they do well, 54 00:02:54,467 --> 00:02:59,387 Speaker 4: and you know, I think we were struggled to get 55 00:02:59,387 --> 00:03:01,907 Speaker 4: a second shoulder on and then they allowed to get 56 00:03:01,947 --> 00:03:04,587 Speaker 4: a little bit of momentum through the middle and they're 57 00:03:04,627 --> 00:03:05,507 Speaker 4: really good when they do that. 58 00:03:05,627 --> 00:03:08,347 Speaker 2: So we've spoken about that just on the field and 59 00:03:08,427 --> 00:03:11,027 Speaker 2: especially at half time, to get too shoulders and to 60 00:03:11,027 --> 00:03:12,187 Speaker 2: stay in front of them. 61 00:03:12,707 --> 00:03:14,987 Speaker 3: And at the end, well near the end, they score 62 00:03:15,027 --> 00:03:17,427 Speaker 3: a try with ten to go, you're only ahead by two. 63 00:03:18,467 --> 00:03:20,747 Speaker 3: What do you look for or who do you look 64 00:03:20,787 --> 00:03:24,227 Speaker 3: for or look to in situations like that to take control? 65 00:03:25,467 --> 00:03:29,787 Speaker 2: I think, yeah, obviously the leaders. I think the key 66 00:03:29,827 --> 00:03:34,907 Speaker 2: part is what the actual strategy is. I was really 67 00:03:34,907 --> 00:03:38,307 Speaker 2: impressive Artie last night, just so conscious of what's what's 68 00:03:38,307 --> 00:03:41,187 Speaker 2: happening around them. You know, considering the amount of collisions 69 00:03:41,187 --> 00:03:42,707 Speaker 2: he's in there. You might have seen his face head, 70 00:03:43,227 --> 00:03:44,947 Speaker 2: we've got a blood coming out the top of his eye. 71 00:03:46,267 --> 00:03:49,547 Speaker 2: But to be really clear in the moment around what's required, 72 00:03:49,587 --> 00:03:52,187 Speaker 2: and in that moment I thought they did that. Well. 73 00:03:53,467 --> 00:03:57,707 Speaker 3: How influential and important has Cam Royguard become to your side? 74 00:03:59,067 --> 00:04:03,787 Speaker 2: Ah, he's a rugby player camera re guard. Well, you know, 75 00:04:04,467 --> 00:04:07,907 Speaker 2: super impressive, just a real around the rucks. You know, 76 00:04:08,147 --> 00:04:11,667 Speaker 2: as a defensive culture you're planning for you know, your 77 00:04:12,067 --> 00:04:14,267 Speaker 2: your big ball carriers, but if you're anne like that, 78 00:04:14,267 --> 00:04:17,347 Speaker 2: that can carry just as strong around the middle of 79 00:04:17,347 --> 00:04:21,867 Speaker 2: the of the rucks as massive for your attacking game. 80 00:04:22,467 --> 00:04:25,387 Speaker 3: And you mentioned Will Jordan having a chat to him 81 00:04:25,547 --> 00:04:29,667 Speaker 3: the Leroy Carter, Caleb Clark, Will Jordan back three. First 82 00:04:29,667 --> 00:04:33,187 Speaker 3: time we've seen that that combination. What did you make 83 00:04:33,187 --> 00:04:33,467 Speaker 3: of it? 84 00:04:34,707 --> 00:04:37,147 Speaker 2: It was great to have Caleb that you know, he's 85 00:04:38,267 --> 00:04:40,747 Speaker 2: he's had a bit of a bumpy kind of ride 86 00:04:40,787 --> 00:04:44,907 Speaker 2: with injuries and their impressive this week training was it's 87 00:04:44,947 --> 00:04:47,387 Speaker 2: good sen year, specially bick Eden Park and you see 88 00:04:47,427 --> 00:04:50,547 Speaker 2: what what a moment to have everon he's singing their 89 00:04:50,587 --> 00:04:56,067 Speaker 2: national infem as well, was getting better and better you will. 90 00:04:56,147 --> 00:04:58,347 Speaker 2: Jordan's as confident as ever. 91 00:04:59,107 --> 00:05:00,507 Speaker 3: So how will you now go about Tom and t 92 00:05:00,667 --> 00:05:04,667 Speaker 3: finding consistency, the consistency that's been a bit elusive during 93 00:05:04,707 --> 00:05:07,507 Speaker 3: the Rugby Championship and go to Perth and when there 94 00:05:07,547 --> 00:05:07,947 Speaker 3: as well. 95 00:05:08,667 --> 00:05:10,787 Speaker 2: I think that game been really clear around the strategy 96 00:05:10,827 --> 00:05:15,107 Speaker 2: and having a week where we're really connected. It's good 97 00:05:15,107 --> 00:05:18,627 Speaker 2: to go away as a group again now and be 98 00:05:18,707 --> 00:05:21,067 Speaker 2: clear what parts of the game that we really need 99 00:05:21,067 --> 00:05:24,227 Speaker 2: to nail down. And you know, the reson be just 100 00:05:24,267 --> 00:05:27,427 Speaker 2: as honest different areas last night. If we need to 101 00:05:27,427 --> 00:05:31,667 Speaker 2: get right, it's just so that'll be you get on 102 00:05:31,707 --> 00:05:34,427 Speaker 2: the plane in a couple of hours and then get 103 00:05:34,427 --> 00:05:37,427 Speaker 2: our reviews done and look forward to another massive game 104 00:05:37,507 --> 00:05:37,747 Speaker 2: up there. 105 00:05:37,827 --> 00:05:42,147 Speaker 3: For how tough was the aftermath of the Springboks taste 106 00:05:42,147 --> 00:05:42,707 Speaker 3: in Wellington? 107 00:05:45,307 --> 00:05:51,147 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the challenges you know, everyone looks at 108 00:05:51,187 --> 00:05:57,907 Speaker 2: the individual areas. It's part of the role, you know, 109 00:05:57,947 --> 00:06:02,147 Speaker 2: the standards that you'll bit Jersey demands, so it's always 110 00:06:02,187 --> 00:06:03,867 Speaker 2: going to be tough. I think that the key partner 111 00:06:03,867 --> 00:06:06,347 Speaker 2: now is is making sure we keep driving those tas 112 00:06:06,387 --> 00:06:08,867 Speaker 2: and is regardless of outcome or performance, it's going to 113 00:06:08,867 --> 00:06:11,827 Speaker 2: fall in love with the process. It's again we have 114 00:06:12,187 --> 00:06:14,547 Speaker 2: a good break now, I'm sure even you know it 115 00:06:14,667 --> 00:06:16,787 Speaker 2: has the morning with their families and then be real 116 00:06:16,867 --> 00:06:18,907 Speaker 2: clear on what's required next week. 117 00:06:19,347 --> 00:06:21,787 Speaker 3: And a couple of injury problems. Ethan Degrut went off 118 00:06:21,787 --> 00:06:23,347 Speaker 3: with the hi A which I think he failed, so 119 00:06:23,387 --> 00:06:26,467 Speaker 3: he presumably might be there next week. Bowden Barrett was 120 00:06:26,467 --> 00:06:29,307 Speaker 3: in a sling for an ac joint injury. Are you 121 00:06:29,387 --> 00:06:32,347 Speaker 3: unlikely to be without him? Well, are you likely to 122 00:06:32,387 --> 00:06:33,747 Speaker 3: be without him next week? Boddy? 123 00:06:35,067 --> 00:06:37,387 Speaker 2: I'm sure that kind of. I think the miracles will 124 00:06:37,387 --> 00:06:41,027 Speaker 2: be hppening as we speak, and you know, walkingt a 125 00:06:41,067 --> 00:06:46,187 Speaker 2: wrap up of who's coming and who's not. It's an 126 00:06:46,227 --> 00:06:48,707 Speaker 2: every week thing. Funny as you know, like the physicality 127 00:06:48,747 --> 00:06:51,427 Speaker 2: of the game and how quick injuries can happen. So 128 00:06:51,667 --> 00:06:58,307 Speaker 2: again it's importantly we stay really connected and as the 129 00:06:58,307 --> 00:07:00,547 Speaker 2: next man up, we sit there next man up to 130 00:07:00,587 --> 00:07:01,187 Speaker 2: really perform. 131 00:07:02,627 --> 00:07:04,987 Speaker 3: Congrats on last night retaining that bled uslow. It looked 132 00:07:05,027 --> 00:07:07,067 Speaker 3: like they were filling it up last night. A couple 133 00:07:07,107 --> 00:07:09,987 Speaker 3: of photos I saw seemed like got filled up okay 134 00:07:10,067 --> 00:07:10,987 Speaker 3: last night in the sheds. 135 00:07:11,827 --> 00:07:14,867 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think part that's part of it as well. 136 00:07:15,107 --> 00:07:18,587 Speaker 3: Funny love it congrats again. Thanks for your tom this afternoon, 137 00:07:18,627 --> 00:07:19,507 Speaker 3: save travels to Mony. 138 00:07:20,347 --> 00:07:21,427 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, it's funny. 139 00:07:21,827 --> 00:07:24,387 Speaker 3: Thanks mine. That's end. Tumty Ellison, Assistant coach of the 140 00:07:24,587 --> 00:07:24,987 Speaker 3: All Black. 141 00:07:25,507 --> 00:07:28,667 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 142 00:07:28,787 --> 00:07:32,187 Speaker 1: to news Talks b weekends from midday, or follow the 143 00:07:32,227 --> 00:07:33,707 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio