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Speaker 1: Privatization well and truly back on the political agenda. The

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister, Christoph Luxe and Nicola Willis are both talking

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Speaker 1: about it and they're waiting advice on what plans they

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Speaker 1: might take to twenty twenty six. So far, lux has

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Speaker 1: ruled out state houses, but he's open to a conversation

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Speaker 1: with voters about other asset sales next term. Labour's leaders

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Speaker 1: Chris Hipkins is with me this evening, good evening, good Ryan.

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Speaker 1: Why do we own Land Corp?

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Speaker 2: Well Landcorp. It owns quite a significant amount of strategically

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Speaker 2: important land for New Zealand, and it's land that we

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Speaker 2: want to have some control over what happens to it.

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Speaker 2: You know, we don't want our high country farmstand and

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Speaker 2: forestry necessarily, you know, we want to make sure that

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Speaker 2: it's used in the best interests of all New Zealanders.

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Speaker 3: Hang on a minute.

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Speaker 1: Didn't a whole bunch of farms go to forestry under

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Speaker 1: your reign?

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Speaker 2: Private many private farms? Did?

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Speaker 1: I mean, can you say, but can you just putoth

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Speaker 1: and the gum boots of a farmer for a second

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Speaker 1: and just understand how incredibly ironic that state was?

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Speaker 2: Well, no, because a lot of farmers don't want to

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Speaker 2: see farms turned into forestry either. It is a challenge

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Speaker 2: facing the country that we have been converting farmland, good

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Speaker 2: productive farmland into forestry and at something farmers all.

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Speaker 3: Right, fair enough.

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Speaker 1: So if farmers don't want high country farms turned into

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Speaker 1: forestry either, then why not sell it to them and

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Speaker 1: they'll hold on.

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Speaker 2: To it well because in some cases some of that

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Speaker 2: land isn't appropriate for private farming. So there's good reasons

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Speaker 2: why we've ended up with the parcels of land Inland Corps.

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Speaker 1: So the reason that we own land corn is not

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Speaker 1: because it might make money. It's because they're high country

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Speaker 1: farms that we don't want anything to happen on.

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Speaker 2: No, they're currently being farmed right, but in many cases

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Speaker 2: they are not a profit for private farming.

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Speaker 1: I mean we're subsidizing. So last year, do you know

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Speaker 1: what the loss was for Land Corp last year?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I haven't got the figures off the top of

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Speaker 2: twenty six million.

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Speaker 1: I mean we're wearing a loss so that we can

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Speaker 1: have farming happen there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Someone else is that people end up buying it

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Speaker 2: and changing the purpose for which that land is being used.

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Speaker 2: In New Zealand's best.

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Speaker 3: You can legislate against that.

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Speaker 1: In fact, the government and who would want to buy it?

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Speaker 3: Farmers?

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Speaker 2: But if it's not making a profit and it's not profitable,

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Speaker 2: one would.

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Speaker 1: They want to Well, because here's an idea, maybe a

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Speaker 1: private farmer might be able to turn a profit.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's just that's just it's just your typical ideology. Oh,

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Speaker 2: a private sector does it better. A private sector makes

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Speaker 2: a bigger profit. How's that working out with the electricity

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Speaker 2: companies who are gouging New Zealand consumers higher power prices

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Speaker 2: to make bigger profits. Every New Zealand household's paying higher

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Speaker 2: power prices. When the National Party said if we privatize

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Speaker 2: them that power prices will come down, power prices have

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Speaker 2: gone up and the electricity company's investment in new generation

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Speaker 2: to bring prices down has actually stopped. Since privatization, This

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Speaker 2: idea that the private sector does everything more efficiently as nonsense.

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Speaker 2: Let's take the health system. If private provision was that

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Speaker 2: much more efficient, why is it that the Americans have

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Speaker 2: one of the least efficient health systems in the world,

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Speaker 2: where they spend more on healthcare per person under their

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Speaker 2: privatet eize health model than just about any other country

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Speaker 2: and get worse health outcomes. I mean, privatization is not

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Speaker 2: the panicy for public services in u Z. No.

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Speaker 3: No, but hang on a minute.

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Speaker 1: You're getting carried away with you, but you're getting carried

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Speaker 1: away on yourself. No one's saying will sell the hospitals?

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Speaker 3: All right? What we're talking about here a specific state.

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Speaker 2: On the enterprise will sell the hospitals. He's going to

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Speaker 2: be the deputy Prime Minister and he's saying that we

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Speaker 2: should sell the hospital which is?

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Speaker 3: Which is?

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Speaker 2: This is a live.

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Speaker 1: Debate, It's a symbolic role, Deputy Primeship. I mean he's

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Speaker 1: not going to be running the policy unit QV Why

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Speaker 1: do we own that TV and Z made a net

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Speaker 1: loss of twenty eight million dollars? I mean, can you

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Speaker 1: name an so O E that is performing well well?

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Speaker 2: Television New Zealand like all media, there are many media companies.

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Speaker 1: Can you can you name it?

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Speaker 2: We shouldn't have public broadcasts.

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Speaker 3: No, but can you name any countries in the world.

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Speaker 2: Broadcasters that aren't making any money?

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Speaker 3: And understand it's a very difficult.

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Speaker 2: As well as it was before. Either doesn't mean we

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Speaker 2: should do away with it, although that might have something

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Speaker 2: that might have something going for it.

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Speaker 3: Chris, can you name any soowey that's performing well?

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Speaker 2: Well, he's in many cases are in markets challenging.

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Speaker 1: Come on, if you can't name one that's performing well,

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Speaker 1: and you're the leader of the Labor Party against asset sales,

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Speaker 1: what hope have they got?

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Speaker 2: Well, there are private secting companies that aren't performing very

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Speaker 2: well at the moment. The economies in recession because this

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Speaker 2: government's driven the economy off the cliff.

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Speaker 3: All right, thank you very much for your time this

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Speaker 3: seven and great to talk. As always.

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Speaker 1: That's Chris Sipkins, who's the labor leader firmly against the

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