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Speaker 2: Questions, answers, facts analysis, The Drive show you trust for

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Speaker 2: the full picture. Heather Duplessy Ellen Drive with One New

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Speaker 2: Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be.

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Speaker 4: Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 5: Today.

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Speaker 4: Coming out, we've got the doctors on being called back

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Speaker 4: to the negotiating table over the strike, David Seymour on

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Speaker 4: the ministerial jobs that he wants to cut. And we're

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Speaker 4: going to speak to a respiratory physician on the groundbreaking

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Speaker 4: study that shows that actually, yes, faithing does cause chronic

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Speaker 4: lung disease.

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Speaker 1: What a surprise, Heather Dupasicy Ellen.

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Speaker 4: Now I've done a bit of an exercise today, right.

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Speaker 4: I started reading the news this morning and I was

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Speaker 4: really quickly struck by how many opinion pieces and comments

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Speaker 4: of outrage there were over the government removing the voting

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Speaker 4: rights from prisoners. There was just by my account, two

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Speaker 4: full opinion pieces by academics, a newsletter that landed in

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Speaker 4: my inbox, a left wing blog post, outrage from labor,

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Speaker 4: and outrage from the Greens. So when I saw that,

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Speaker 4: I thought, there's quite a lot coming from these guys.

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Speaker 4: I'll just do a little It might be interesting to

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Speaker 4: compare this to how many opinion pieces and comments of

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Speaker 4: outrage there are about the four killings currently in the

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Speaker 4: news that have all been committed by people either previously

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Speaker 4: you don't know what I'm talking about, it's the man

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Speaker 4: who has now murdered twice and been found in saying twice.

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Speaker 4: It's the two murders by Hilmrton mental health patients, and

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Speaker 4: All of them have been in the news just in

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Speaker 4: the last few days. I didn't find one piece, not

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Speaker 4: one opinion piece by an academic about this, not one

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Speaker 4: comment of outrage from the Greens. And the only relevant

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Speaker 4: it now. Doesn't that tell you a lot about where

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Speaker 4: we're putting our energy at the moment we are? It

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Speaker 4: would seem angsting more about protecting the right that a

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Speaker 4: prisoner has to vote, a right which by the way,

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Speaker 4: we just told yesterday on the show most prisoners don't

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Speaker 4: even want. But we are angsting ourselves over protecting them,

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Speaker 4: and we are more angsting for angsting more about protecting

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Speaker 4: people not to be hurt by high risk people who

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Speaker 4: we know are high risk. Now we should be interrogating

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Speaker 4: Numbers nine two nine to two standard text fees applied. Now,

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Speaker 4: the Commerce Commission, the Commas Commission, has said it will

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Speaker 4: not conduct a market study into domestic air travel. This

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Speaker 4: has of course been a topic of conversation a lot lately,

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Speaker 4: the price of air New Zealand tickets. There have been

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Speaker 4: chair of the Commers Commission, has pinned in a pen

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Speaker 4: an opinion piece on this today and he's with us. Now,

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Speaker 4: Hey John, good John, So take it from your opinion

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Speaker 4: piece that basically the reasons that you're not going to intervene.

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Speaker 4: Is number one. It's expensive to fly a plane. Who

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Speaker 4: it's even more expensive to fly a plane on regional routes,

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Speaker 4: So nobody wants to compete. In number three in the

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Speaker 4: jet flights, they've got competition. Is that about right?

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Speaker 6: That's a reasonable summary year. But also I think you know,

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Speaker 6: But yeah, generally speaking, that's right. It's very expensive to

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Speaker 6: Well that there's there's no law against charging high prices.

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Speaker 6: That's that's the reality of things in New Zealand. If

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Speaker 4: Onday in New Zealand have a monopoly on most of

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Speaker 6: Well, there's some regional routes that don't fly, and that's

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Speaker 6: then with drawing services on routes that are and you

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Speaker 6: I means the reason about a coverage abound particular smaller airlines,

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Speaker 4: So on the monopoly routes, is there a case to

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Speaker 6: Potentially, But that's a different matter to a market study,

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Speaker 6: which is a competition issue. So as I say, we're

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Speaker 6: not a there's not a once and for all things.

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Speaker 6: This is this is where we are at the moment.

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Speaker 4: Why did you decide to write this? What made you

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Speaker 6: We thought it'd be a good idea. Well, we did

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Speaker 4: And were you feeling like you were being criticized for

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Speaker 6: No, no, not at all. No, But I mean we're

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Speaker 4: John, it's good to talk to you. Thank you for

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Speaker 4: your time. I really appreciate it. That's doctor John Small.

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Speaker 4: The chairperson of the Commerce Commission, Heather Well said, we

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Speaker 4: us having a massive cry about the voters. Not that

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Speaker 4: the prisoners not being able to vote, but not ones,

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Speaker 4: but not the serious topics yet, serious topics being people dying. Listen, Tesla,

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Speaker 4: I think this is fascinating. This afternoon, there's breaking news

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Speaker 4: pass four, Darcy, do you think that we've struck on something?

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Speaker 7: I don't remember. It was five minutes ago.

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Speaker 7: I got up quite late for me.

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Speaker 4: I feel really tired.

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Speaker 7: I don't know why, Sun, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: We might be Two of us is not a pattern,

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Speaker 8: Water aren't we and isn't that really the tides are

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Speaker 8: influenced by the moon, so we're titled to stop.

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Speaker 4: So the Indian Panthers have now been suspended, have they?

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Speaker 7: If they have.

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Speaker 8: The commission today, this is the commission looking after this

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Speaker 8: they're doing it and why they're doing it, the ongoing investigation,

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Speaker 8: the details, the conditions, the matters. That one line that

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Speaker 8: But this is the line from the chair Tracy Garland.

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Speaker 8: It is very disappointed with the commission to be facing

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Speaker 8: the situation, especially given that the following careful due.

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Speaker 4: Diligence whatever carrying on.

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Speaker 8: So let's play a game and connect the dots, right

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Speaker 8: And I'll been on the end connecting dots all night.

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Speaker 8: I have a deal on that research research. Yeah, I

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Speaker 8: found something that the medical The connections between the Panthers

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Speaker 8: And like I've managed to find that of an evening

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Speaker 8: We had the bloke on last night Proneil and it

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Speaker 7: But there are some great He just.

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Speaker 4: Hey, thank you, Dars appreciate it.

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Speaker 7: Darcy will thank you.

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Speaker 7: Sports back and see coffee.

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Speaker 4: Hey listen, hither I fell asleep on the ute after

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Speaker 7: How did they drive home?

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Speaker 4: On the top will.

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Speaker 3: Hey.

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Speaker 4: You could probably answer that question. Hey, now, how excited

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Speaker 2: Putting the challenging questions to the people. At the heart

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Speaker 1: News talks that'd be a sandstorm in and knocks me out.

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Speaker 1: That's in northern It's never enough.

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Speaker 4: This is Lord's single What was that and the reason

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Speaker 4: You could support the music, and we'll be supporting the

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news dogs.

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Speaker 4: They'd be drive the US and Ukraine have finally signed

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Speaker 11: So the latest version doesn't have their loan like imaginary

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Speaker 4: It Over in Australia, the Mushroom chef Aaron Patterson's a

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Speaker 4: And finally Texas Department of Transportation crews have had to

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Speaker 2: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 4: Murray holds Our Aussie corresponds with US Now.

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Speaker 5: that police worked one hundred percent sure heeader was there

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Speaker 5: a second person going crazy in the shopping sanded with

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Speaker 5: a knife. The first report said there's a guy going

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Speaker 5: nuts with a gun, so everybody's flocked there. Amy, I

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Speaker 5: forget the police officer's name, now my bad, but she's

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Speaker 5: got there in a heartbeatalized. The guy shot him dead,

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Speaker 5: but the police had to be satisfied there was no

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Speaker 5: one else going nuts in the center. That's why paramedics

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Speaker 5: were held outside. These are specialist paramedics who were out

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Speaker 5: there absolutely chafing. They wanted to get inside. They knew

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Speaker 5: people were dead, they knew people were injured, possibly dying.

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Speaker 5: They wanted to get in there, but police said, no,

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Speaker 5: you can't go in. So there's a vastly experienced paramedic

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Speaker 5: has been giving every it's nearly fifty years in the job,

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Speaker 5: a total specialist. But he's talked about there was no

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Speaker 5: personal protective gear available for the paramedics that day, a

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Speaker 5: rostering cock up, if you like, meant that basically meant

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Speaker 5: there were no specially trained emergency top level paramedics available.

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Speaker 5: And he's also suggested, listen, if this ever happens again,

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Speaker 5: God forbid, what about two of us go in with

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Speaker 5: police police escorting us to go and check on the

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Speaker 5: injured people. So these are some of the things that

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Speaker 5: are now being analyzed in this inquest. Was the response

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Speaker 5: good enough? Apparently there was nothing that could have been

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Speaker 5: done to save those who died, and the ones who

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Speaker 5: were injured were got out in time. So to that extent,

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Speaker 5: I suppose the loved ones of those who died and

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Speaker 5: who were injured, I suppose there's a measure of comfort

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Speaker 5: there that no one passed away who wasn't going to

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Speaker 5: pass away anyway.

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Speaker 4: Is the suggestion from this paramedic that they would have

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Speaker 4: gone in even though the police are telling them not to.

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Speaker 4: They would have risked their own lives and gone it.

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Speaker 5: That's the inference from the paramedic. I mean, look, they're

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Speaker 5: not there to be silly and you know, risk their

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Speaker 5: own lives. He's saying, listen, if it's necessary let's go

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Speaker 5: in with police. Police are armed, they're trying to shoot

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Speaker 5: people if they have to. We're not. We're there to

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Speaker 5: save life as best we possibly can. And I think

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Speaker 5: that's the tenor of his Testamenty.

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Speaker 4: Now, listen, how bad is this YouGov poll for Peter

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Speaker 4: dusn't he buddy?

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Speaker 13: Hell?

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Speaker 5: It looks grim And if this comes true, and don't

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Speaker 5: forget you gov as the organization. It's not like News

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Speaker 5: Public's run by Murdoch or the other side. The nine

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Speaker 5: newspaper network over here has its own polling system. You

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Speaker 5: God was widely regarded as perhaps the most reliable of

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Speaker 5: these Internet polling organizations. And if these figures come true

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Speaker 5: on Saturday, terrible news for Peter Dutton in the opposition.

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Speaker 5: The latest figures show label will not only be returned

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Speaker 5: on Saturday with an increased majority, it'll have a majority government.

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Speaker 5: It'll have maybe eighty four seats in the one hundred

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Speaker 5: and fifty seat parliament, the Coalition down to below fifty

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Speaker 5: forty seven seats, the lowest percentage, Heather, if this comes

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Speaker 5: true since nineteen hundred and forty six, Now you and

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Speaker 5: I have spoken before. This campaign for the opposition has

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Speaker 5: been an absolute disaster policy black flips on the run

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Speaker 5: Peter Dutton talked about living in Sydney on the harbor

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Speaker 5: there in the Prime Minister's houses. Instead of talking about

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Speaker 5: cost of living, it's cost of living dummy. It should

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Speaker 5: have been banged and it was head in day one.

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Speaker 5: I mean they had all they had three years to

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Speaker 5: get ready for this and it's been an absolute shamozzle.

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Speaker 5: So if it comes true, some long long faces on

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Speaker 5: the conservative side of politics here on Saturday.

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Speaker 4: Night too, right, mys, thanks very much, really appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Murray OL's Australia correspondent list. And on that minerals deal

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Speaker 4: between the US and Ukraine, Basically what they're going to

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Speaker 4: do is they're going to set up a fund to

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Speaker 4: attract international investment and fifty percent we punted in by

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Speaker 4: the US, fifty percent by Ukraine. Ukraine would retain full

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Speaker 4: control over its mineral resources, its infrastructure and its natural

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Speaker 4: resources and this fund would only relate to new investments

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Speaker 4: not approved yet still has to be approved by Ukraine's parliament.

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Speaker 4: So a fair way to go on that sixteen away.

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Speaker 2: From five politics was centric credit, check your customers and

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Speaker 2: get payments.

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Speaker 4: Curty Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors with us Hey Thomas,

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Speaker 4: they're good. After is to see the Health Minister as

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Speaker 4: calling the doctors back to the negotiating table. When is

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Speaker 4: this going to happen?

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Speaker 8: Ah?

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Speaker 14: Look, I mean they didn't even put the most recent

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Speaker 14: They didn't even put the most recent offer to the members,

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Speaker 14: So clearly there's a there's not a great relationship here.

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Speaker 14: This most recent offer didn't sound didn't sound all that bad.

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Speaker 14: I think a junior doctor, I think would have get Sorry,

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Speaker 14: a first year specialist would have had a nine point

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Speaker 14: five percent pay increase on the on the last offer,

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Speaker 14: which would have increased their pay by about seventeen thousand dollars.

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Speaker 14: Simon Brown says, So it's not it doesn't sound ungenerous.

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Speaker 14: I think perhaps one of the main sticking points is

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Speaker 14: the working conditions and staffing levels in the hospitals. I

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Speaker 14: think you've heard a lot of commentary from the the

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Speaker 14: union about about that, but certainly, I mean you wouldn't

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Speaker 14: if you were the union want to try your luck

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Speaker 14: too much with this. I think four thousand I think

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Speaker 14: the Health New Zealand says four thousand, three hundred procedures

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Speaker 14: were delayed today, So there's only so many times you

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Speaker 14: can you can pull that trick before you before you

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Speaker 14: wear the public's patients. I'm thinking, of course about the

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Speaker 14: teachers a couple of years ago. I think they tried

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Speaker 14: the public a bit too much there. So yeah, they

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Speaker 14: seem to be pretty in a pretty intractable state at

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Speaker 14: the moment. But you would think that this can't go

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Speaker 14: on forever.

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Speaker 4: No, how far short is this payoffer from what the

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Speaker 4: of what the doctors want.

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Speaker 14: Look if they haven't, if they haven't even put the

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Speaker 14: most recent one to their members, I would say it

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Speaker 14: is a fair way off what they want. I don't

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Speaker 14: know what how much money there is left in the

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Speaker 14: and the kitty. Of course, Health New Zealand has been

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Speaker 14: cutting well. I've been trying to get spending down after that,

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Speaker 14: finding that one half billion dollar deaficit last year. But again,

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Speaker 14: if if the members weren't even asked to vote in it,

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Speaker 14: you'd have to say this is there's probably a fair

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Speaker 14: bit of a fear bit of room between the two camps.

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Speaker 4: Now, explain something to me. Okay, So David Seymour wants

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Speaker 4: to cut a whole bunch of ministerial roles but does

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Speaker 4: he actually want to cut ministries as well?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, he he, he wants to do the background of

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Speaker 14: this is he made a speech speech today about about this.

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Speaker 14: He cited, putting back to New Zealand Initiative paper. I

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Speaker 14: think this absolute proliferation and ministries and departments. And we've

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Speaker 14: seen it. I mean recently, you've got what the Climate

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Speaker 14: Change Commission got created in the last government to out

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Speaker 14: of fifty Ministry of Pacific People's like aha, the Ministry

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Speaker 14: for Disabled people. They've only just arrived recently. He pointed

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Speaker 14: as well to the fact that under the first m

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Speaker 14: MP governments you have these ministers outside of cabinet, you

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Speaker 14: have a proliferation of ministries, proliferation of ministers. He thinks

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Speaker 14: you could actually reduce the size of these down to

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Speaker 14: maybe twenty twenty key ministers and also abolish abolished portfolios

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Speaker 14: that don't have a direct ministry attached to them. I mean,

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Speaker 14: and again you've seen this recently. I mean James Meagan,

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Speaker 14: the Minister for the South Island.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the last nonsense, isn't it.

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Speaker 14: Well, the last time I checked that, I read his

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Speaker 14: briefing to the incoming minister. As you know, you know

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Speaker 14: every new minister gets their briefing to the incoming minister.

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Speaker 14: His one said, I'm sorry, minister, there are no staff

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Speaker 14: and this portfolio, which begs the question who wrote it?

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Speaker 4: Very good question. Okay, here's this. I mean, look, I

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Speaker 4: love it. I love what David Seymore was talking about.

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Speaker 4: It incidentally just happened to Seren be talking serendipitously be

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Speaker 4: talking about this yesterday ourselves. What are the answers that

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Speaker 4: he actually gets to do this, I mean, give me

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Speaker 4: the reality check here.

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Speaker 14: Oh the reality check is not good. I would think

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Speaker 14: I would It's a classic m MP. I think he

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Speaker 14: has a good chance of getting part of the way.

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Speaker 14: I think there is a good there are always good

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Speaker 14: opportunities for mergers and rationalizations. I think clearly the government

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Speaker 14: wants to reduce the public service. He's counteribate, so we

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Speaker 14: get part of the way. Whether he'll I mean, whether

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Speaker 14: he'll get that's that's not happening the whole.

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Speaker 4: Can I take heart from the fact that he's he's

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Speaker 4: talking about this in the same month as the budget.

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Speaker 14: Well he he he actually told the hero that this

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Speaker 14: is not a budget thing like this is this is

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Speaker 14: a you know, so it is you know the question

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Speaker 14: to say to me too brutally, yes, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: Tory is not going to be Andrew Little's deputy, is she?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 14: This is I mean? Andrew Little did this very He

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Speaker 14: was both very explicit but very tactful that he represents change.

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Speaker 14: Tory Fano is obviously not changed. She is the current mayor.

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Speaker 14: He becomes Meyor, which seems pretty likely he'd be the favorite.

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Speaker 14: Tory will not be, will not be his deputy mayor.

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Speaker 14: Biggs question who will be. He will probably want to

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Speaker 14: build a good relationship around the council table, but not

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Speaker 14: want to perhaps reflect repeat the mistakes of Paul Eagle,

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Speaker 14: who probably built a coalition that was slightly too broad.

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Speaker 14: I think he probably reached across the aisle too much

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Speaker 14: to the right during the election campaign, which put off

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Speaker 14: some of his supporters on the left, which probably propelled

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Speaker 14: Tory Farner to win the election that time round. So

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Speaker 14: he's got a difficult decision there. But certainly, you know Wellington,

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Speaker 14: there is there is a mood for change, very clearly

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Speaker 14: in Wellington, and certainly you know campaigning and acknowledging that

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Speaker 14: you want the incomeveent Mere to be your deputy is

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Speaker 14: probably not the best way to reflect that.

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Speaker 4: It's very few point Thomas, Thanks very much, Thomas Codlin,

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Speaker 4: the Herald's political editor. Yeah, very smart move from Andrew Little,

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Speaker 4: because if you were listening to the show yesterday, so

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Speaker 4: it started with Tory floating the idea that she would

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Speaker 4: like to be his deputy and that he might like

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Speaker 4: to consider her and role. And then if you were

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Speaker 4: listening to the show yesterday you will have seen it

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Speaker 4: had kind of built up its own momentum and people

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Speaker 4: from the right were now saying that a deal had

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Speaker 4: been struck. So Andrew Little has clearly moved today to

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Speaker 4: just shut that down and he said she's not going

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Speaker 4: to be the deputy. And it's a smart move because

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Speaker 4: that's how people feel about Tori as the deputy. I

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Speaker 4: would say eight away from five putting.

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Speaker 2: The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 4: Back to this business of our economic aims and Chief

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Speaker 4: Economy Saron Zulma is back with all these companies that

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Speaker 4: are abandoning guidance now because they have no idea what's

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Speaker 4: going on?

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Speaker 10: Does that make life more difficult for us all?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 6: So it does make it more difficult for them in John's.

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Speaker 15: Case, I mean the actual direct tariffs on our ten

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Speaker 15: percent on twelve percent of very exports. Really are very

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Speaker 15: good experts, So it's not a game change of the economy.

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Speaker 15: But for some individual companies of course.

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Speaker 16: It's a very big deal.

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Speaker 15: But the main channel through it Chin down could be

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Speaker 15: effected the flower growth, including in China because support partners

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Speaker 15: and taxing our commodity crisis and exports more generally, but

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Speaker 15: also that confidence channel.

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Speaker 5: Back tomorrow at six am the mic Hosk Breakfast with

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Speaker 5: Maylee's Real Estate News Talk zed.

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Speaker 4: Be we're going to speak to Sarah Dalton. By the way,

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Speaker 4: this is read the doctor strike. We're going to speak

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Speaker 4: to Sarah Dalton, who is leading the union, who will

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Speaker 4: be with us straight after five o'clock, so we'll try

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Speaker 4: and get a bit of detail from who are on

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Speaker 4: how far short this offer is from what they actually want.

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Speaker 4: The Greens want to announce or rather have announced a

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Speaker 4: policy today to create new jobs. It's basically a make

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Speaker 4: work scheme they want to set up. They basically want

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Speaker 4: to have a Ministry of Works again but Ministry of

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Speaker 4: green works, just to make it better, and then they

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Speaker 4: want to expand the jobs for Nature program and they

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Speaker 4: reckon that they can create more than forty thousand jobs.

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Speaker 4: Trouble is it's going to cost eight billion dollars and

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Speaker 4: they haven't said how they're going to fund it, and

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Speaker 4: we don't have any money, right, we really don't need

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Speaker 4: to lay at this point. We ain't got no money.

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Speaker 4: So where they're going to get eight billion dollars a

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Speaker 4: year from I don't know. But Chloe's going to be

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Speaker 4: with us after five thirty. But I tell you what

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Speaker 4: I want to talk to Chloev. I'm going to ask

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Speaker 4: her about this interesting thing that's just popped through in

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Speaker 4: the UK news. The German agriculture minister has said I

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Speaker 4: will get German children eating meat again. And the reason

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Speaker 4: he's saying this is because his predecessor had gone for

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Speaker 4: the vegetarian eating and had planned and meat tax. And

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Speaker 4: this is all this like anti meat stuff is driven

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Speaker 4: in a large part by climate change policies, right because

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Speaker 4: you know, cows fart and it makes the climate get warm,

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Speaker 4: and so if we don't eat as many cows, then

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Speaker 4: we're not the You know, you can kind of follow

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Speaker 4: the logic and you can see how you end up

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Speaker 4: with a vegetarian option. Anyway, what I've seen increasingly and

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Speaker 4: predominantly coming out of the European region is a real

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Speaker 4: backlash against climate policies. Right, You've had, you got this,

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Speaker 4: You've got what's going on with the power outage in

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Speaker 4: Spain and Portugal being blamed on renewable energy. You've got

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Speaker 4: Tony Blair coming out in net zero, or Kemi Bada

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Speaker 4: not coming out against net zero. Like, there's this like

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Speaker 4: real movement against climate stuff. And I am just starting

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Speaker 4: to feel like I can now confidently predict to you

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Speaker 4: that the Paris Agreement is not going to hold all

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Speaker 4: the way to twenty fifty. But anyway, Chloe's with us

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Speaker 4: after HYPASPI, I'll ask her about that. We're also going

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Speaker 4: to talk about vapor. Yeah, not a surprise to anyone,

702
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Speaker 4: but it's actually going to hurt your lungs really badly.

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Speaker 4: This is David Dallas running New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Music, digging through the spin to find the real story story.

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Speaker 1: It's handed dup with the on drive with one New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Let's get connected news dogs, they'd be afternoon.

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Speaker 4: The latest on the doctor strike is that the healthman,

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Speaker 4: Ister Simeon Brown, has called the doctors back to the

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Speaker 4: negotiating table this afternoon.

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Speaker 17: Health New Zealand is committed to reaching a settlement with

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Speaker 17: ASMS and is applied to the Employment Relations Authority for

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Speaker 17: facilitation as the next step to resolve this. I urged

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Speaker 17: the ASEMS union to return to the negotiation table so

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Speaker 17: a deal can be struck and patients can get the

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Speaker 17: care that they need.

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Speaker 4: Sarah Dalton is with the union representing the doctors. Hi, Sarah, Hi, Heather,

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Speaker 4: how are you doing very well? Thank you? Winning you

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Speaker 4: back at the negotiating table. Then there's a.

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Speaker 18: Case conference tomorrow to talk about facilitation and whether that's

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Speaker 18: the next best process for bargaining.

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Speaker 4: Was this something that was already planned or is this

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Speaker 4: something that Simon Brown has just initiated.

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Speaker 18: No, no, we knew about it earlier this week to

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Speaker 18: FUTTORDA told us they were going to apply for facilitation.

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Speaker 18: This is not news. It's we ended up in facilitation

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Speaker 18: the last two bargaining rounds. I think what would be

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Speaker 18: really helpful would be for the Minister to think about

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Speaker 18: what funds they make available to futt order to help

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Speaker 18: them sort this out.

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Speaker 4: As in, how much more to offer you guys?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, Well, He's been pretty clear that they have to

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Speaker 18: meet whatever the settlement is out of their baseline funding

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Speaker 18: which keeps being stripped back. So I mean, if he

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Speaker 18: wants to play a productive role in discussions, I think

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Speaker 18: this government needs to look at the way they're funding

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Speaker 18: health and particularly health workforce.

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Speaker 4: What is the difference, Sarah, between what you've been offered

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Speaker 4: and what you guys want.

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Speaker 18: Well, what's been offered for most of our members works

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Speaker 18: out at less than one percent a year over a

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Speaker 18: three year term. For about five hundred of our members

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Speaker 18: who had been in the first three years of working

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Speaker 18: as specialist, there's a little bit more there, but as

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Speaker 18: far as we can ascertain, what's been offered still fits

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Speaker 18: within the initial envelope that fat Order have brought to

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Speaker 18: the table, which is no more than a one and

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Speaker 18: a half percent increase on their current spend on senior

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Speaker 18: doctor salaries.

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Speaker 4: And the increase that you want is what we've put in.

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Speaker 18: A claim for twelve percent. Now, obviously we're in bargaining,

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Speaker 18: but we are very far apart at the moment. As

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Speaker 18: you probably know, we've got issues with relativities with junior

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Speaker 18: doctors and I'm being bombarded with emails from our members

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Speaker 18: showing me examples of job offers outside of New Zealand

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Speaker 18: where they're being offered. You know, wild sums of money

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Speaker 18: are they?

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Speaker 4: Are they interested in taking it?

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Speaker 15: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Look, some people.

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Speaker 1: Already have right.

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Speaker 18: I think the people that were out there on the

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Speaker 18: picket lines today and participating in strike action are here

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Speaker 18: because they're committed to staying in New Zealand. What they

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Speaker 18: really want is enough colleagues to make their work tenable,

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Speaker 18: sustainable and safe.

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Speaker 4: Now, Samian Brown has regularly criticized the fact that you

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Speaker 4: haven't even put this offer to your MEMB members. Why

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Speaker 4: haven't you done that?

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Speaker 18: There's a couple of reasons for that. The first is,

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Speaker 18: in our constitution, our executive actually has decision making power

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Speaker 18: about settlements. We generally pull our members when we think

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Speaker 18: we've got a serious offer and when we think we're

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Speaker 18: at a point of conclusion. But the second thing is

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Speaker 18: there was no more being offered than before. We've been

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Speaker 18: closely in contact with our members through the whole process

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Speaker 18: about what their expectations are, and I'd have to say

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Speaker 18: the twelve percent claim that we put is already a

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Speaker 18: compromise in the eyes of some of our members because

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Speaker 18: they know very well what they can earn in private

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Speaker 18: and what's on offer over the Tasman.

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Speaker 4: Sarah, thanks very much. Sarah Dalton with the Association of

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Speaker 4: Salaried Medical Specialists.

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Speaker 1: Do for ce Ellen.

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Speaker 4: ACT Party leader David Seymour has announced he wants to

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Speaker 4: slash the number of ministers and ministries. He's pointed out

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Speaker 4: that we have more ministers than Ireland, which is a

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Speaker 4: country about the similar population, and even more than the UK,

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Speaker 4: which is a country with a much larger population. And

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Speaker 4: he's with us right now.

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Speaker 13: David, Hello, good ahead.

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Speaker 4: Were you listening to the show yesterday?

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Speaker 13: Well, I was going to ask if you were reading

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Speaker 13: the ACT Party's excellent publication Free Press about eight weeks ago,

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Speaker 13: because I saw a similar idea there too, and that's

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Speaker 13: what I thought when I was listening to your show yesterday,

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Speaker 13: as I am from four to seven.

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Speaker 4: Every day, Oh, I'll listen to you. Well, now I

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Speaker 4: have to say yes, I read it absolutely every week.

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Speaker 4: Wouldn't go a week without missing it. Now, David, tell

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Speaker 4: me how this is going to work. Forty one government department.

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Speaker 4: You want to get it down to thirty. So what

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Speaker 4: do you cut?

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Speaker 13: Well, people are going to go straight to that, and

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Speaker 13: I'm not going to. I've got a list and it

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Speaker 13: only has thirty on it, and that's what you need

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Speaker 13: to do, the things that most people would expect a

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Speaker 13: government to do. But I know as soon as I

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Speaker 13: start naming them, people will say I'm trying to attack

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Speaker 13: the here apart and it's all politically. I think we

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Speaker 13: just need to hit this idea right because right now

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Speaker 13: there are ministers that have seven different departments. There are

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Speaker 13: departments such as MB that answer to nineteen different ministers.

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Speaker 13: There are portfolios. Just give you one example, not to

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Speaker 13: pick on it, but the minister for Auckland that Labor

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Speaker 13: created that there's no Auckland department, there's no Auckland vote

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Speaker 13: in the budget. It's just a made up thing, frankly,

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Speaker 13: and I think that really we should be moving to

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Speaker 13: a world where each department has only one minister, No

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Speaker 13: portfolios exist unless they have an actual department with a

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Speaker 13: budget and a thing to do, and there should be

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Speaker 13: no ministers outside of the cabinet. Everyone should be sitting

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Speaker 13: around at the same table. That's going to take a

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Speaker 13: lot of people making a concession, but if we could

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Speaker 13: get there, I think the whole thing would just get

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Speaker 13: stuff done faster, and a lot of people that say, look,

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Speaker 13: you know, why doesn't stuff have quicker It might be

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Speaker 13: a little happier.

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Speaker 4: Right, Well, I mean I obviously love this, but how

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Speaker 4: realistic is it?

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Speaker 13: Well, I don't believe it will happen before the election.

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Speaker 13: You know, Chris is the Prime Minister and he's set

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Speaker 13: the table and we agreed to that, so we're part

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Speaker 13: of him about it isn't passing, sure, but I go

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Speaker 13: into all our conversations. But I mean I think.

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Speaker 4: You've got from him, David. Has he thought it was

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Speaker 4: a brilliant idea or was he poo pooed it?

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Speaker 13: Well, Chris cotters teeth as a manager, and I'm sure

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Speaker 13: that it's something that without speaking for intuitive we get. However,

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Speaker 13: I don't believe it will change before the election. I'd

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Speaker 13: love it too, I don't think it will. This is

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Speaker 13: the kind of thing where at a halftime point between

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Speaker 13: two elections we need to have a bit of a

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Speaker 13: team talk, say what's so on well and ask what

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Speaker 13: will we do differently in the future.

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Speaker 4: Brilliant love it, David, Thanks very much, David Seymour Ax

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Speaker 4: Parley leader Heather do so sorry to anybody outside of

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Speaker 4: Auckland having to live through this. But I think this

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Speaker 4: is quite This is this, I think is an example

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Speaker 4: of what happens in council.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: So we are waiting on Auckland Council to come through

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Speaker 4: with the stadium with a decision on what's going to

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Speaker 4: happen with Western Springs read the building of another stadium, okay,

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Speaker 4: and what they're discussing today Apparently I here or I

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Speaker 4: was naively thinking they were going to make a decision,

856
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Speaker 4: like they've got a couple offers. They've got the pontsib

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Speaker 4: Be rugby club who want to do blah blah blah

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Speaker 4: and they need some righte pays money and then they've

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Speaker 4: got they've got Ali Williams and his mates from Auckland

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Speaker 4: FC who are prepared to build the stadium for free.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 4: So, as far as I thought they're going to make

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Speaker 4: a decision foodleish me. No, they are discussing how to

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Speaker 4: progress the stadium decision. So that's the first thing that

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Speaker 4: happens at council. But so even then it's not a

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Speaker 4: real decision, but we're not. It doesn't even look like

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Speaker 4: we can get that today because now there is tension

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Speaker 4: around the council table apparently because one of the councilors

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Speaker 4: and don't don't tell me who it is, because I

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Speaker 4: don't need to get dark on whoever it is, but anyway,

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Speaker 4: dark on all of them. Anyway, one of them wants

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Speaker 4: to revive the speedway so that they can put that

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Speaker 4: one up for discussion as well. They want us to

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Speaker 4: discuss what we're going to do with the speedway. Now

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Speaker 4: speedway has been taken away from that. Now I would

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Speaker 4: have thought, like, come on, is this not a slam dunk.

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Speaker 4: It's a slam dunk because you don't even need to

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Speaker 4: have these people are justifying their jobs. You don't need

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Speaker 4: to have a meeting about this. Auckland FC with Bill Foley,

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Speaker 4: who's loaded, he's got more cash and he knows what

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Speaker 4: to do with and Ali, who's lady Anna from Zuru

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Speaker 4: has got tons of money as well. They are saying

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Speaker 4: that they will build you a stadium Auckland for free.

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Speaker 4: What's there to discuss? Take the money, get the free

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Speaker 1: Heather duplusy Allen five.

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Speaker 4: Nineteen now a groundbreaking news study has for the first

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Speaker 4: time linked vaping with irreversible lung disease. So this is

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Speaker 4: a study by John Hopkins Johns Hopkins University. It looked

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Speaker 4: at health data from about a quarter of a million

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Speaker 4: people found a significant link between vaping and COPD, which

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Speaker 4: is the fourth leading cause of death in New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: Doctor Stuart Jones is a respiratory physician and is with

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Speaker 4: us now has Stewart.

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Speaker 19: Cyota, Heather, how are you.

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Speaker 4: I'm very well, thank you. It seems to me are

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Speaker 4: we surprised that if you're inhaling this weird stuff into

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Speaker 4: your lungs that you're probably going to get COPD?

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Speaker 8: The answer is no, no.

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Speaker 19: If the respiratory community aren't surprised at all that this

919
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Speaker 19: result has come out, I guess it's what we've been

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Speaker 19: warning about all along with the vaping that's been going on,

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Speaker 19: is that it does I mean, we've known for a

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Speaker 19: while it's causes damage, it causes inflammation to the airways

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Speaker 19: and things like that, but now we have a little

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Speaker 19: bit more concrete evidence that it's doing more permanent damage

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Speaker 19: to those airways.

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Speaker 4: Now can we say, based on this, whether we think

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Speaker 4: vaping is necessarily better than ciggy's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hither.

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Speaker 19: It is important to note that that in the study,

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Speaker 19: it also the study demonstrated a higher incidence of incidents

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Speaker 19: the APD and people who were smoking combustible cigarettes. So

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Speaker 19: the rates of CPD that occurred with vaping alone weren't

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Speaker 19: as high as combustible cigarettes, but still significant. And the

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Speaker 19: other key point for this study is that the worst

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Speaker 19: people off were the people who combined cigarettes and vaping.

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Speaker 19: And that's what I'm worried that many people are still doing.

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Speaker 4: So wait are you saying, because there were a lot

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Speaker 4: of people who will be smoking the cigis maybe when

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Speaker 4: they're on the beers, and then the rest of the

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Speaker 4: time they'll just be doing the vaping to try to

941
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Speaker 4: cut down the bad stuff. But would they actually be

942
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Speaker 4: better off just packing one of the two and going

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Speaker 4: for it rather than doing the combo?

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Speaker 19: Yeah? Correct, correct, Because I mean, we know that it

945
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Speaker 19: damages the airways in different ways, so the mechanism of

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Speaker 19: damage to the airways is different between vaping and cigarette smoking.

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Speaker 19: And effectively, what you're doing with the dull use is

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Speaker 19: you're doubling up, so that's definitely a no goo So

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Speaker 19: you know, yeah, so vaping definitely does cause damage to

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Speaker 19: their ways. The only people who might get a benefit

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Speaker 19: is those people who can't stop smoking the cigarettes, but

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Speaker 19: they would only get the benefit if they make a

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Speaker 19: complete switch.

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Speaker 4: Okay, hey Stuart, thank you. I mean there are some

955
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Speaker 4: at least some useful information there for people if you

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Speaker 4: choose which way you're going to die, but don't go

957
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Speaker 4: for both ways, because that's not a good idea of

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Speaker 4: five twenty two. By the way, it's Dr Stuart Jones,

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Speaker 4: respiratory physician.

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Speaker 1: Checking the point of the story.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

962
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Speaker 2: get connected and youth dogs.

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Speaker 1: They'd be Heather.

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Speaker 5: I love it.

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Speaker 4: David Symore's bang on the case. Thank you for that.

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Speaker 4: I agree five twenty five. Now listen, I tell you

967
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Speaker 4: what's going to be very interesting to watch, and that

968
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Speaker 4: is who is going to be more successful with Donald Trump.

969
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Speaker 4: Is it going to be the new Prime Minister of Canada,

970
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Speaker 4: Mark Carney, who's basically just won the election there this

971
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Speaker 4: week by standing up to Trump? Or is it going

972
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Speaker 4: to be Keir Starmer, who's the Prime Minister of the UK,

973
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Speaker 4: who was such a suck up to Trump. It is

974
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Speaker 4: embarrassing not only did he invite Trump for a second

975
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Speaker 4: state visit and also hand deliver a love letter from

976
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Speaker 4: King Charles, but now it turns out he's personally working

977
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Speaker 4: to secure a golf tournament for one of Trump's golf

978
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Speaker 4: courses in the UK. Now, watching this right, watching the

979
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Speaker 4: way that these two behave and what happens from here,

980
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Speaker 4: is not just an academic exercise. It's actually going to

981
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Speaker 4: be probably a good idea for watch for us to

982
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Speaker 4: watch in order to figure out how we should be

983
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Speaker 4: dealing with Donald Trump, because clearly there is divided opinion

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Speaker 4: within even our government as to what to do here.

985
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Speaker 4: Chris Luxan obviously wants to take a stronger stance, hence

986
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Speaker 4: the old phone call the other day to various world

987
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Speaker 4: leaders trying to start some sort of a thing, and

988
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Speaker 4: when Ston Peters clearly wants to lay low, hence him

989
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Speaker 4: telling luxonof in public. And there is mountain, i would say,

990
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Speaker 4: mounting international pressure to stand up to Trump. Malcolm Turnbult,

991
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Speaker 4: former Prome Minister of Australia, has piped up in recent

992
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Speaker 4: days saying New Zealand needs to be tougher and not

993
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Speaker 4: appeas Trump. And China just popped up the other day,

994
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Speaker 4: if not yesterday, urging other nations to stand up to

995
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Speaker 4: Trump bullying. Now, for the record, I actually think Winston's

996
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Speaker 4: right here. You can only stand up to a bully

997
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Speaker 4: if you are roughly of the same size, and we

998
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Speaker 4: are very much not of the same size as the US,

999
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Speaker 4: and you can suck up like Keir Starmer. But I

1000
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Speaker 4: suspect bullies don't respect that, and I think it's working

1001
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Speaker 4: out that way because the free trade deal with the

1002
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Speaker 4: UK is not going to happen fast, is it. So

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Speaker 4: that leaves you with the third option, don't draw attention,

1004
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Speaker 4: wait for the dust to settle, and then pop up

1005
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Speaker 4: and say the right thing when the time is right.

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Speaker 4: And that is the option that Winston has picked, and

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if it actually works out to

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Speaker 4: be the smartest move.

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Speaker 1: Of Allgever do for clams.

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Speaker 4: Are with us next co leader to Chloe Sawbrick Listen.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you realize this, but Stats New

1012
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Speaker 4: Zealand do this thing where they work out the inflation

1013
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Speaker 4: number by looking at a set number of things that

1014
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Speaker 4: you would get at the supermarket or whatever, like the

1015
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Speaker 4: set number of things that you spend your money on.

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Speaker 4: They call it the CPI basket, and it's the same

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Speaker 4: all the time, but then from time to time, you know,

1018
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Speaker 4: obviously we're not buying certain things anymore, we're buying different things,

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Speaker 4: and so they update and they have just updated it,

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Speaker 4: and it's fascinating. It's a fascinating insight into changing trends.

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Speaker 4: So what they've put into their CPI basket is spinach,

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Speaker 4: but what they've taken out is salary. So apparently we're

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Speaker 4: not that into the salary, but we're getting into the spinach,

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Speaker 4: which I would actually say is a good health decision

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Speaker 4: by us, because I feel like the spinach is better

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Speaker 4: for you. Soy milk is out, but plant based milk,

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Speaker 4: like what oat almond, that's all in now. So we're

1028
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Speaker 4: finished with the soy, but we're into all the other

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Speaker 4: little weird things. Meal kits are in like Hello Fresh

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Speaker 4: and the other one my food bag and stuff like

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Speaker 4: that that's in. Increasingly. We're han't got enough time, so

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Speaker 4: we're spending our money on this. What's in is going

1033
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Speaker 4: to a bar and buying a cocktail. What's out is

1034
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Speaker 4: going to a bar and buying an RTD can. Now,

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Speaker 4: I'm told by Bonnie who's like just of drinking age.

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Speaker 4: That that's because they're now roughly of the same size.

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Speaker 4: So if you can spend the money, you may as

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Speaker 4: well get yourself a good one. What's out is men's jerseys,

1039
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Speaker 4: but not women's do jerseys, all children's jerseys, just men's jerseys,

1040
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Speaker 4: and that is not the I'm going to run you

1041
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Speaker 4: through more of this list because it's weird headlines. Next

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Speaker 4: to me.

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Speaker 2: After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather first.

1044
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Speaker 2: It's Heather duplessy Ellen drive with one New Zealand. Let's

1045
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Speaker 2: get connected and youth talks.

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Speaker 1: They'd be.

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Speaker 4: She has so again she hard home again. This is

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Speaker 4: for New Zealand Music Month. Here are a couple more

1049
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 4: things that have come out of the CPI basket. So

1050
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Speaker 4: into the CPI basket are women's yoga pants and active wear.

1051
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Speaker 4: Out of the CPI basket are women's tracksuit trousers, not men's.

1052
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Speaker 4: The menister wearing the tracky decks. The women have just

1053
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Speaker 4: got rid of them. In is headwear.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: That stands to reason because if you look around at

1056
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Speaker 4: the young people nowadays are all wearing hats, aren't Their

1057
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Speaker 4: hats are back in fashion? Out are men's ties. No

1058
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Speaker 4: one buys ties anymore. Out is alarm monitoring services. Now

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Speaker 4: my first reaction to that was that would be because

1060
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Speaker 4: alarm monitoring services are expensive. But then in a cruisers

1061
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Speaker 4: and they are also expensive, So who can make sense

1062
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Speaker 4: of it? Twenty three away from.

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Speaker 1: Six together Duplessyl.

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Speaker 4: Standing by now the Green Party has unveiled a policy

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Speaker 4: to create jobs. It wants to set up a Ministry

1066
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Speaker 4: of Green Works and expand the Jobs for Nature program.

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Speaker 4: It would apparently create more than forty thousand jobs and

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Speaker 4: it would cost more than eight billion dollars. Chloe Swarbrick

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Speaker 4: is the Green Party co leader. Hey Chloe CHERLDO, how

1070
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Speaker 4: are you? And well, thank you? So what are we

1071
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Speaker 4: going to pay these people to do?

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Speaker 16: So we're going to pay these people to rebuild our infrastructure,

1073
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Speaker 16: to restore biodiversity, to build our homes and ultimately an

1074
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Speaker 16: economy that we as New Zealanders own and are proud of.

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Speaker 4: And where are we going to get the eight billion dollars?

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Speaker 16: Well, the really exciting thing is that in about a

1077
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Speaker 16: fortnight's time we'll be unveiling our Green Budget, which will

1078
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Speaker 16: show people precisely how we can have an economy that

1079
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Speaker 16: reduces the cost of living, improves quality of life, and

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Speaker 16: also reduces climate changing emission. So there's more detail to

1081
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Speaker 16: come in that full budget.

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Speaker 4: So will it be I mean, is this something that

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00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 4: you will create? Will there be a new revenue stream

1084
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 4: or will you be cutting things out of the existing

1085
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Speaker 4: budget in order to make up this eight billion dollars.

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Speaker 16: I don't want to sound like a regular politician to

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Speaker 16: use you. We have to wait and see, but I

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Speaker 16: think people can get a pretty clear indication of where

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Speaker 16: the Green Party's values lie when it comes to our

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Speaker 16: taxation system. We had a report from Inland Revenue Department

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Speaker 16: about two or three years ago now which told us

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Speaker 16: that the wealthare is three hundred and eleven households in

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Speaker 16: this country paying effective tax rate less than half of

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Speaker 16: that of the average New Zealander. We've always said that

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Speaker 16: we think that that's fundamentally unfair. And you'll see precisely

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Speaker 16: how we'll raise that revenue necessary for this spending to

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Speaker 16: create an economy that works for all of us in

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Speaker 16: about a fortnight's time.

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Speaker 4: Right, So more tax Okay, So why do we need

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Speaker 4: to pet paper? Why are we doing these make work schemes?

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Speaker 4: Why not just rely on private employment.

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Speaker 16: Well, you can see from the Productivity Commissions reporting a

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Speaker 16: few years ago now that we have approximately one hundred

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Speaker 16: billion dollar infrastructure deficit over the last thirty years and

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Speaker 16: a fourcast one hundred billion dollars for the next thirty years.

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Speaker 16: It's really clear that the private sector is not filling

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Speaker 16: that gap. And in fact, when you look at the

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Speaker 16: research on public private partnerships or even actually experience with

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Speaker 16: the likes of Transmission Gully of late, you can see

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Speaker 16: that that stuff costs New Zealanders more because we're paying

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Speaker 16: for the profit margin of private companies. That's precisely why

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Speaker 16: we're saying, let's look at the past and see where

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Speaker 16: we've done these things well. And that's why we've taken

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Speaker 16: inspiration from the Ministry of Works, which once upon a

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Speaker 16: time was charged with building the infrastructure that all of

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Speaker 16: us rely on. And we've said, let's learn from that,

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Speaker 16: but do it better confronted with the challenges of for example,

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Speaker 16: climate change.

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Speaker 4: Listen, I want to get your take on something that

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Speaker 4: I've been watching develop globally, and this is I think

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Speaker 4: a lot of pressure. So I'm changing the subject here

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00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 4: and I haven't warned you, but I'm getting a lot

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Speaker 4: of I'm getting the impression that there is a lot

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Speaker 4: of pressure that's building on net zero by twenty fifty

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Speaker 4: or even cutting down by twenty thirty. And I'm basing

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Speaker 4: this on the fact that we've had discussions here in

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00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 4: New Zealand about whether we can meet our obligations. You'll

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Speaker 4: have seen Tony Blase come out against net Z zero

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Speaker 4: over in the UK. What do you think is going

1130
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Speaker 4: to happen? Do you think that this agreement is going

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Speaker 4: to hold?

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Speaker 16: But I guess just to take a set back. I

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00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 16: can understand why there is a sensation or a deprioritization

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Speaker 16: that people are happy when it comes to climate action

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Speaker 16: because the immediate pressure is on cost of living. But

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Speaker 16: I think it's important for us to connet the dots.

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Speaker 16: If we continue to allow climate change to exacerbate unmitigated,

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Speaker 16: we are going to end up our higher cost of living.

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Speaker 16: Everyone they need to think about all of the things.

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Speaker 4: I understand that whether I understand, But Chloe, what do

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Speaker 4: you think is going to happen? Do you think the

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Speaker 4: Paris Agreement is going to fall apart? Or do you

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Speaker 4: think it will hold to twenty fifty?

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Speaker 16: What I'm interested in is what we have control over,

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Speaker 16: in the power to actually do. And that is why

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Speaker 16: I think it's really important that New Zealanders here crystal

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Speaker 16: clear from a party that has its legacy. You don't

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Speaker 16: sound in the planet that we're committed to this stuff.

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Speaker 1: You don't confident.

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Speaker 16: I'm confident that we need to act if we are

1151
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Speaker 16: going to meet the scale of the child that are

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Speaker 16: in front of us. So it's really a matter of

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Speaker 16: where we going when an unstoppable force meets and a

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Speaker 16: liverable object here, what do we do? We have to

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Speaker 16: as human beings rattle with the reality of the chat

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Speaker 16: of the challenge that is confronting us.

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Speaker 4: Chloe, listen, thank you, I appreciate your time. That's Chloe

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Speaker 4: Swarbrick the Green Party. Colely to listen. I'm fascinated that

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Speaker 4: Chloe couldn't tell me that she thinks the Paris Agreement

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Speaker 4: is going to hold. We're going to talk to Kitty Hannafan,

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Speaker 4: who's from Air New Zealand sustainability boss or whatever over there,

1162
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Speaker 4: because we're going to talk to her about the fact

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Speaker 4: that they've dropped their climate targets, but they've got Animission's guidance.

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Speaker 4: Talk to her after six o'clock. I'm gonna ask you

1165
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Speaker 4: this question as well, because now this is my new thing.

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Speaker 4: I want to know if the Paris Agreement's going to

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Speaker 4: hold nineteen away from six.

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Speaker 2: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find you all,

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Speaker 2: one of a kind.

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Speaker 4: Huddle with me this evening. Craig Greenny of the Sea,

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Speaker 4: to you the economists there and Claire Delort journalist.

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Speaker 3: Hello you two.

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Speaker 4: Hello, hello, Craig.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 4: Idea of the day for me is David Seymour pledging

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Speaker 4: to cut ministries and ministers. Do you like it or

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Speaker 4: hate it?

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Speaker 20: I'm a bit indifferent to it towards to be deadly honest.

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Speaker 20: Heither it's sort of it doesn't really matter sort of

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Speaker 20: how many ministers you have. It's basically what they're doing

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Speaker 20: that should count and what the government's doing over all

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Speaker 20: that kind you can have more ministers or fewer ministers.

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Speaker 20: Well again, but you can have more ministries or fewer ministries.

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Speaker 20: It's actually are they doing what New Zealand needs?

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Speaker 1: Are they?

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Speaker 20: Are they delivering the public services that New Zealand needs.

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Speaker 20: We've had some departments that have been split into others

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Speaker 20: we've had in the very recent past, we had the

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Speaker 20: creation of MB which brought several ministries together. It's it's

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Speaker 20: actually not a question of how many offices or how

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Speaker 20: many ministries there are, it's actually are they are they

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Speaker 20: working well and are they delivering efficiently? And I think

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Speaker 20: right now that's an arguable point.

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Speaker 4: What are you saying. Would you argue that they're not

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Speaker 4: delivering efficiently?

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Speaker 20: I think there are many ministries that are really suffering

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Speaker 20: because they've had they've had essentially back rooms and the

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Speaker 20: the the the engine rooms of those organizations should out

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Speaker 20: of them via cuts, and so they're really struggling to deliver,

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Speaker 20: which we've seen, you know, almost arguly in real time

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Speaker 20: with the delivery of the Family Boost program, which couldn't

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Speaker 20: be ruled out properly because we had to sort of,

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Speaker 20: you know, put it together with string in order to

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Speaker 20: get it out as quickly as the government demanded.

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Speaker 4: Claire, what do you think?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 21: I tend to agree with Craig because I don't think

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Speaker 21: I think you've got to look at the what these

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Speaker 21: ministries are achieving. One of the things that you do

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Speaker 21: achieve by having portfolios that David Seymour obviously disagrees for

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Speaker 21: example racing, which is you know, his political opponent and

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Speaker 21: coalition partner Winston Peters. Thing is you do sheet home

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Speaker 21: some political accountability for results in that area. You may

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Speaker 21: not have a big office or a big administration, but

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Speaker 21: there is accountability and it does go back to a

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Speaker 21: very specific minister. I mean you can say that too

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Speaker 21: about for example, mental health, which we're going to talk

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Speaker 21: about probably Matt Doucy. Not a good outcome, but somebody's

1219
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Speaker 21: got to take responsibility. And I do think it's quite

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Speaker 21: interesting also that at the moment you'd have to say

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00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 21: the ACT Party is disproportionately represented with eight ministers in

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Speaker 21: our cabinet.

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Speaker 3: When you look at.

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Speaker 21: The percentage of support it's had a lot of it

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Speaker 21: is political. It's giving people positions because everyone's jockeying for

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Speaker 21: influence within our MMP governments.

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Speaker 4: And so clear that you saw the Hunting and Fishing

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Speaker 4: Minister held responsible for anything.

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Speaker 3: Look, I did not know we had one.

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Speaker 4: What about the South Island Minister? At what point are

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Speaker 4: we going to call for James Meagher's resignation as the

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Speaker 4: South Island Minister? What would he have to do wrong?

1233
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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 21: I think what he's probably got his hands for right

1235
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Speaker 21: now because with a bit of lucky somehow made it

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Speaker 21: to the South Island, which seems under siege.

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Speaker 4: Mark Mitchell as the Civil Defense Minister predominantly dealing with us.

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Speaker 21: They can work together nicely and they can cooperate. We

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Speaker 21: stop all the elements that are needed.

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Speaker 4: We does this end? Why don't we have a minister

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Speaker 4: for our targo.

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Speaker 3: That's part of the South Island? Heather, do you know

1243
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 3: what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Like it's like it could never end, Like we could

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Speaker 4: just make ministers for everything, couldn't we You.

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Speaker 3: Could, And that's what it comes down to. It is

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Speaker 3: very political. It is trying to satisfy.

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Speaker 4: I just want both to know you haven't and I

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Speaker 4: still think that they need to cut a whole bunch

1250
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Speaker 4: of them, but you have.

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Speaker 20: I think I think one of the things you do

1252
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Speaker 20: when you create ministries or ministers that aren't normal, regular

1253
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Speaker 20: every day ones, like arguably the Minister for the South Island,

1254
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Speaker 20: you're helping to demonstrate to the public what are your priorities.

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Speaker 20: So we had the creation of a child poverty minister

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Speaker 20: for example. We've had, you know, other ministers who cost

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Speaker 20: of politics.

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Speaker 4: At what cost politics? At some point. We have to

1259
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Speaker 4: stop worrying so much about what the governing policy, the

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Speaker 4: politics that the governing parties are playing, and think about

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Speaker 4: what it is literally costing us in tax paid dollars

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Speaker 4: for them to send us signals. You know, I don't

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Speaker 4: want to pay for a minister, so they can send

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Speaker 4: me their priorities.

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Speaker 3: Just do it.

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Speaker 4: Is it not only.

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Speaker 21: Minister doesn't a minister holding multiple portfolios doesn't have to

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Speaker 21: actually cost you that much. And you can see that

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Speaker 21: in other countries where they have just as many people

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Speaker 21: or as few as we have the diminishing number of

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Speaker 21: people we have, and they have maybe twenty ministers and

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Speaker 21: they are managing entire countries with fifteen to twenty ministers.

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Speaker 21: You can give them all sorts of titles whatever, but

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Speaker 21: the responsibilities are shared out amongst very capable people.

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Speaker 4: I see what you mean. Okay, so you have fewer,

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00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 4: fewer bodies wearing more hats. Okay, guys will take a

1277
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Speaker 4: break and come back, just to take fourteen away from six.

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Speaker 2: The huddle with New Zealand southbast International Realty achieve extraordinary

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Speaker 2: results with unparent reach.

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Speaker 4: By the way, Claire, what did you make of Chloe

1281
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Speaker 4: Swarbrock's idea for job that make work scheme.

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Speaker 21: Look, the first thing that popped into my head when

1283
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Speaker 21: I was reading about this and then listening to was

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Speaker 21: think big. I mean, it really is a back to

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Speaker 21: the past kind of you know, it evokes the whole

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Speaker 21: Bilbert era of more you know, picking winners, that sort

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Speaker 21: of thing, which hasn't actually been bad for New Zealand

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Speaker 21: in some respects, but in the case of this particular policy,

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Speaker 21: it is literally half baked at this point because we

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Speaker 21: don't know how it's going to be funded, and it

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Speaker 21: seems to me it will possibly render the Greens are

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Speaker 21: unelectable anyway and not be in a position to implement anything.

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Speaker 21: I think we really need to push more in the

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Speaker 21: direction of a better educated, highly educated if we can workforce,

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Speaker 21: and to sort of go more down the Singapore route

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Speaker 21: of trying to really harness the brains of a very

1297
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Speaker 21: well motivated population while also making the most of our

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Speaker 21: actual resources by way of food production for the world.

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Speaker 4: I feel, Craig like there will not be much of

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Speaker 4: a public appetite for making jobs for people basically subsidizing

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Speaker 4: jobs in the modern era. What do you think.

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Speaker 20: I don't think they'll be much appetated for just directly

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Speaker 20: subsidizing employment. But if you're actually building the things that

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Speaker 20: New Zealand needs. You know, as Chloe said, the Infrastructure

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Speaker 20: Commission pointed out, we have one hundred and six billion

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Speaker 20: dollar infrastructure gap and that's just public sector infrastructure gap

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Speaker 20: right now. So those are hospitals, schools, roads, everything else

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Speaker 20: that should exist and don't because frankly, we haven't paid

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Speaker 20: for them. And we do need to build that infrastructure,

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Speaker 20: and we need to do it better than we do

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Speaker 20: it right now because we're very poor at building and

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Speaker 20: if we can find a better means of doing that,

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Speaker 20: we absolutely should.

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Speaker 21: Clear well, they don't they don't want foreign investment in

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Speaker 21: any of us. And you know, there was shades of

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Speaker 21: you know, the bricks that was the take back control

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Speaker 21: sort of quote in some of the materials that they've released.

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Speaker 21: I mean, I just don't think we cannot just have

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Speaker 21: a little money go around in New Zealand. We don't

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Speaker 21: have the money to fund all of these things. We

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Speaker 21: do need to encourage them foreign investment.

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Speaker 20: By the way, I think we do need to encourage

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Speaker 20: Kufo go.

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Speaker 4: No, no, there you go.

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Speaker 20: I was say I think we do need to encourage

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Speaker 20: foreign investment, but many of the things that we should

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Speaker 20: have been building over the past thirty forty years would

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Speaker 20: have just been normal Crown investment, and so I think

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Speaker 20: that's that's a case where we do need to catch up.

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Speaker 20: The best example of that is actually the water infrastructure

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Speaker 20: around New Zealand. So we've got lots of free waters

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Speaker 20: infrastructure that needs building. Local authorities are often don't have

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Speaker 20: the capacity of the size to do that. So if

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Speaker 20: we have a means of helping to grow that and

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Speaker 20: deliver it and do it more efficiently, that means lower

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Speaker 20: rate bills for everyone, and that's got to be a

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Speaker 20: benefit to you know, to anyone who owns a home.

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Speaker 4: Good on you, guys. This has been lovely to Shad,

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Craig Rennie, to you economist and

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Speaker 4: clear the Lord journalist ate away from six It's.

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Speaker 2: The Heather dupas Allen Drive Full Show podcast on my

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Speaker 2: Heart Radio powered by News Talks'd be heither.

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Speaker 4: I'm with you. The more ministers, ministries and managers leads

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Speaker 4: to more complexity, more duplication, more tax payer waste. You know, Kevin, jeez,

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Speaker 4: I just think just take it. Who cares. I mean,

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Speaker 4: who cares if these people have fancy titles. I quite

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01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 4: like James Megas. I'd be sad if he lost his

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Speaker 4: title as the Minister of the South Island. But I

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Speaker 4: don't know. Have we seen him do anything? Oh lord,

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Speaker 4: we need to talk about the Minister of Women at

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Speaker 4: some stage, because that is definitely a position I'd be

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Speaker 4: getting rid of. As she popped up today. I haven't

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Speaker 4: gotten anything against her, just her role. We'll talk about

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Speaker 4: that later on because I have to tell you what

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Speaker 4: STATS has done. Stats New Zealand has just put out

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Speaker 4: an urgent media release to tell us what PSI we

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Speaker 4: made a mistake. What STATS did when calculating the latest

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Speaker 4: inflation numbers not important, by the way, being sarcastic, obviously

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Speaker 4: very important. What they did when they did the latest

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Speaker 4: inflation numbers was they forgot to put something in and

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Speaker 4: as a result, the inflation number was wrong. So they

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Speaker 4: forgot to put in vehicle relicnsing fee increases. As a result,

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Speaker 4: they got the inflation number wrong by zero point one percent,

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Speaker 4: which means that the annual inflation figures should be two

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Speaker 4: point six not two point five, and the quarterly inflation

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Speaker 4: should be one, not zero point nine. Now, if if

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Speaker 4: it was just the first time that STATS had done

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Speaker 4: it, it wouldn't be a big deal, would it. But I

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Speaker 4: don't know what the hell is going on at stats.

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Speaker 4: But they're not very good with numbers, which seems like

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Speaker 4: a fundamental problem if you're working at stats n Z.

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Speaker 4: Because do you remember in December when they overshot how

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Speaker 4: many people had lost their jobs in Wellington? They were

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Speaker 4: like twenty thousand people had lost their jobs. Everybody freaked out.

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Speaker 4: It was only two thousand and completely they blew the

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Speaker 4: numbers out. Anyway, I don't know what you do about it.

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Speaker 4: If you can't do your basic job, we'll just leave that.

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Speaker 4: They will just leave that, not talk about it too much.

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Speaker 4: Speaking of stats, those see p numbers. Here we go.

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Speaker 4: This is this is in in a pillows. We're buying

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Speaker 4: more pillows, but out a Douvey innas. Apparently we don't

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Speaker 4: buy that many douve Inas. I don't know how you

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Speaker 4: account for that. Have we have? We bought the maximum

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Speaker 4: number of douveyennas as a country that we can, and

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Speaker 4: we just don't need to buy anymore because the cupbods

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Speaker 4: are full of Douveeners. Who can explain. In are smart

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Speaker 4: watches and wearable devices. That makes sense because everybody's got

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Speaker 4: one of those smart watches reading your heart rate while

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Speaker 4: you sleep at the moment. But out are electric fan heaters.

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Speaker 4: In out also weirdly as chainsaw higher, maybe because we've

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Speaker 4: all bought the chainsaws in a music lessons out our

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Speaker 4: home home telephone line rentals and associated services like voicemail.

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Speaker 4: But here's the thing. They've just just started counting streaming

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Speaker 4: services for the inflation number amongst the things that you buy.

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Speaker 4: And they have just got rid of the price of

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Speaker 4: pre recorded DVDs and Blu ray discs. So up to

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Speaker 4: now when they got their little inflation number together, they

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Speaker 4: were still looking at how much you were paying for

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Speaker 4: you DVDs. Isn't that funny because when was the last

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Speaker 4: time you bought a DVD? Like, seriously, when was the

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Speaker 4: last time you brought a DVD? Has it only just

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Speaker 4: have stats only just realized we don't buy DVDs anymore?

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Speaker 4: What given what I told you before, wouldn't be surprising,

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Speaker 4: would it? Katy Hanaffin of a New Zealander's next.

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Speaker 1: Quads up, What's down? One with a major cause and

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Speaker 1: how will it affect the economy?

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Speaker 2: The big business questions on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy,

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Speaker 2: Ellen and Maths, Insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, Protect

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Speaker 2: your future.

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Speaker 1: US talks at be.

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Speaker 4: Evening coming up in the next hour, We're going to

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Speaker 4: go to Ukraine. Have a little look at that minerals

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Speaker 4: deal that's just been signed with Donald Trump. Also Liam

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Speaker 4: Dan will explain or will preview rather the unemployment data

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Speaker 4: and Ende Brady's out of the UK for US at

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Speaker 4: seven past six. Now in New Zealand has done away

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Speaker 4: with climate targets, but has instead replaced it with its

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Speaker 4: first emissions guidance. Now the airline wants to reduce net

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Speaker 4: green house gas emissions from jet fuel by twenty to

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Speaker 4: twenty five percent. And you'll remember last year Airline abandoned

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Speaker 4: its carbon targets at the time blaming it on a

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Speaker 4: shortage of new aircraft availability and also the high price

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Speaker 4: of sustainable jet fields. Kitty Hanafan is Air New Zealand's

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Speaker 4: chief sustainability and corporate affairs officer and with us now,

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Speaker 4: Hey Candy, hello, how are you well? Thank you? What's

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Speaker 4: the difference between targets and guidance?

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Speaker 22: So a target is a static goal, and what we're

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Speaker 22: doing is because we couldn't achieve the target we set

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Speaker 22: and had to pull out of it last year, we

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Speaker 22: wanted to have something back in the market that we

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Speaker 22: could be very transparent and honest about how we were going.

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Speaker 22: So what we're doing is saying what we expect to

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Speaker 22: do by twenty thirty, but we'll update everybody every year

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Speaker 22: to sort of give a realistic appraisal of how we're tracking,

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Speaker 22: you know, given what's happening in the world or you

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Speaker 22: know in the markets, or how saf scaling up. So

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Speaker 22: it's just a different, more transparent approach.

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Speaker 4: Okay, and so how do you expect to do it?

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Speaker 4: I mean, how much are you going to have to

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Speaker 4: rely on sustainable fuel, which, as you guys have said,

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Speaker 4: is so expensive a lot.

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Speaker 22: It's the main way that airlines will decarbonize, I think,

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Speaker 22: and it's probably quite timely from some of the discussions

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Speaker 22: that have been heaven that are having been had at

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Speaker 22: the moment around the world. We're going to have a

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Speaker 22: bit you know, we're going to have some residual emissions

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Speaker 22: left and we'll have to use carbon removals as well.

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Speaker 22: We know that, but by by far the greatest leaver

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Speaker 22: that we have is the use of sustainable aviation fuel.

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Speaker 4: Is it going to push up the price of the

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Speaker 4: air tickets.

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Speaker 22: It's a really good question. At the moment, it's not

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Speaker 22: because we're using such a small quantity, but it is

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Speaker 22: expensive and we've got a really significant piece of work

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Speaker 22: underway now to work out how we can bring the

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Speaker 22: cost down. And there's a few ways we can do that.

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Speaker 22: We can sort of enter long term off take agreements

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Speaker 22: which are much more affordable. We can buy it from

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Speaker 22: markets that are subsidized like the US, and we can

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Speaker 22: and we can obviously help with supply. So why it's

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Speaker 22: so expensive at the moment is because there's hardly any

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Speaker 22: of a level. So the more demand there is, the

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Speaker 22: more supply they will be available and that will help

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Speaker 22: get the price down.

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Speaker 4: So how much do you think, like, what does it

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Speaker 4: add to the price of a ticket at the moment?

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Speaker 3: Nothing?

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Speaker 4: And in the long term once you're actually buying it,

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Speaker 4: and really fine.

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Speaker 22: We don't know, like, you know, rough of the you know,

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Speaker 22: we see the back of the envelope, you know, maybe

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Speaker 22: a few dollars for you know, for a ticket domestically,

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Speaker 22: but that's not how we do, it would probably look

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Speaker 22: to sort of to make it fair. So obviously international

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Speaker 22: travels much more emission heavy than domestic travel. We want

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Speaker 22: to look after the price of traveling in New Zealand.

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Speaker 22: We're going to try and sell a lot of the

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Speaker 22: scope three parts of the SAF to third parties to

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Speaker 22: businesses who want to reduce their own emissions. So big

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Speaker 22: organizations like Microsoft and Apple are buying parts of airlines

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Speaker 22: SAF to reduce their own emissions. So that's what we

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Speaker 22: want to do to see if we can commercialize it

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Speaker 22: to take the burden off our own flyers.

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Speaker 4: Now I want your take on something. I have been

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Speaker 4: watching what's going on with the Paris Agreement right and

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Speaker 4: I just like it to Chloe Swarwick about it about

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Speaker 4: just over half an hour ago, and she could tell

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Speaker 4: me that she believed the Paris Agreement will hold. Do

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Speaker 4: you think it will hold?

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Speaker 22: Oh gosh, that's such a good question. Look, it's not

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Speaker 22: a question I can't really answer. It's an agreement that

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Speaker 22: government's entered and I guess centered on the back of

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Speaker 22: what they thought was, you know, excellent advice from hundreds

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Speaker 22: of scientists. You know, I guess it's the world's Global

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Speaker 22: Climate Framework and that's really important.

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Speaker 4: There was near.

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Speaker 22: Agreement to join it from governments and there's actually some

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Speaker 22: really good progress being made with technology. And ironically, I

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Speaker 22: guess you're referring to what Tony Bleasbean saying the UK

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Speaker 22: have been doing probably one of the best out of

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Speaker 22: all the countries in the world. I think it's really

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Speaker 22: important that governments and businesses like ours commit to decarbonizing.

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Speaker 22: And our own twenty to fifty goal was not part

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Speaker 22: of the Paris Agreement, obviously because we're not a government,

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Speaker 22: but we do have our own twenty fifth and net

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Speaker 22: zero emissions go and we know we're very determined and

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Speaker 22: committed to getting there.

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Speaker 4: So tell me what I mean, because you must have

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Speaker 4: thought about this, or because I know you care about

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Speaker 4: this deep a lot. What happens, Kitty, What happens the

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Speaker 4: US pulls out right, they've already done it, And then

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Speaker 4: what happens if the UK abandons it, and bit by bit,

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Speaker 4: all these larger countries start to fall out of the

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Speaker 4: Paris Agreement or realize it's completely it's overly ambitious, they

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Speaker 4: can't meet the targets. Smaller countries like ours realize we

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Speaker 4: are also then going to be left doing way more

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Speaker 4: than our fair share, so we abandon it. Where does

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Speaker 4: it leave Are you still there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I'm here?

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Speaker 5: Oh sorry?

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Speaker 4: Which had a little beet there And I thought she's

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Speaker 4: bailed out before answering this hard question. But where does

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Speaker 4: it go?

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Speaker 2: Off it too hard?

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Speaker 4: Where does it leave an airline?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 4: If all these countries have bailed out, where doesn't it

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Speaker 4: leave an airline sitting there pushing up its own prices,

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Speaker 4: trying to do the right thing, but abandoned by all

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Speaker 4: the countries.

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Speaker 22: It's a really good question. And I guess you know,

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Speaker 22: the most positive thing I can say is that in

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Speaker 22: New Zealand is not alone in our ambitis like, we

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Speaker 22: are part of every global airline wanting.

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Speaker 3: To do this work.

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Speaker 22: So this is a global action from aviation. It's not

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Speaker 22: just a New Zealand out on a limb, but generally,

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Speaker 22: like pulling away from climate action a country by country

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Speaker 22: would be a death by a thousand cuts and I

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Speaker 22: and that would be regrettable for everybody, not just aviation,

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Speaker 22: but for all industry. And I guess it will come

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Speaker 22: down to decisions between the cost of action versus the

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Speaker 22: cost of inaction, Because what I can tell you is

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Speaker 22: that doing nothing and having to navigate adaptation or response

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Speaker 22: to climate damage will be incredibly costly as well. So

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Speaker 22: I think, you know, and we are trying to be

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Speaker 22: more realistic. You know, we couldn't do what we committed

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Speaker 22: to last year, and so this is us trying to

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Speaker 22: be much more honest and pragmatic and realistic about what

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Speaker 22: we can do. But it's still ambitious, and it's still

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Speaker 22: going to stretch us, and we're going to do everything

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Speaker 22: we can to push ourselves harder.

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Speaker 4: But I think because I think, yes, of course, I

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01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 4: think you guys are part of the problem in the sense,

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Speaker 4: like from your perspective, right, so you are just doing

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Speaker 4: as a corporate what all these countries are going to do.

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Speaker 4: Look at the ambition, realize it's impossible, and pull back,

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Speaker 4: and therefore the climate just keeps getting hotter.

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Speaker 22: Well, we're still we are going to rid our emissions

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Speaker 22: by twenty thirty. So we are taking absolute or gross

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Speaker 22: emissions out of our business, and that's what we have

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Speaker 22: to do. We are take you know, we are using

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Speaker 22: less still, we're going to be burning less carbon and

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Speaker 22: we're you know, we are tracking the right way, and

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Speaker 22: that's what we all have to do. So it's possible

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Speaker 22: we couldn't. We couldn't, you know, because of things are

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Speaker 22: outside of our control. Don't mean to make excuses like

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Speaker 22: around fleet or SAFF. We couldn't get to the level

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Speaker 22: that we thought we might be able to. But we're

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Speaker 22: still we're still going really hard and we're still going

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Speaker 22: to make a difference. And you know, it all counts.

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Speaker 22: Every you know, every decimal point of carbon savings makes

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Speaker 22: a difference, and I think that's worth fighting for.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Kitty, thank you. I really appreciate having chat to

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Speaker 4: you about it. It's Katy hanafan Chief Sustainability and Corporate

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Speaker 4: Affairs officer at in New Zealand here that the Ponzi

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Speaker 4: scheme of carbon is over. What The more that I

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Speaker 4: watch what's happening right now, the more I talk to

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Speaker 4: people like Kitty Hannafin, Chloe Swarbrick, people who actually deeply

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Speaker 4: committed to trying to save the planet, the more convinced

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Speaker 4: I am this thing is over. The Paris Agreement is

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Speaker 4: going to fall over. And the closer we get to

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Speaker 4: twenty thirty, that's our first target we have to meet.

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Speaker 4: The closer we get to that, we will start to

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Speaker 4: realize at that point. The closer we get, the more

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Speaker 4: we will realize that we cannot meet these targets and

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Speaker 4: we're going to fall away from them. I'm happy to

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Speaker 4: make that prediction now, and I'm sure that there will

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Speaker 4: just be mounting evidence as we get closer to it.

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Speaker 4: Hither this is on the stat's New Zealand CPI basket.

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Speaker 4: Here the monitored home alarms and now out of the

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Speaker 4: CPI basket because most of them require a copper phone line.

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Speaker 4: And once you add the mobile or the Wi Fi

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Speaker 4: module to the alarm, you can actually monitor it yourself,

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Speaker 4: so you don't get other people to monitor anymore because

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Speaker 4: you don't need to because the Wi Fi means you're

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Speaker 4: monitoring on your phone, aren't you? That makes sense? Quarter

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Speaker 4: past six.

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Speaker 1: Now ever, do for Sea Allen.

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Speaker 4: Nineteen past six and Liam Dan, the Herald's business editor

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Speaker 4: at Larger as with meleam allow. Hello, Now I want

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Speaker 4: to talk to you about the unemployment data. But first

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Speaker 4: have you seen what Stats has just done?

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Speaker 9: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yes I did, kind of made me laugh.

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Speaker 23: I shouldn't should it?

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Speaker 10: Did it make it?

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Speaker 4: Why did it make you laugh because it's such a

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Speaker 4: basic error.

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Speaker 23: Well, yeah, it's kind of basic ra So they forgot

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Speaker 23: to add the increase to car registration. So so it

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01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 23: turns out inflation was actually two point six percent in

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Speaker 23: the last quarter, not two point five. But the bit

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Speaker 23: that kind of made me laugh was but we're just

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Speaker 23: going to leave it there.

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Speaker 4: You know, why are they doing that? Because why wouldn't

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Speaker 4: they want to update it to be accurate.

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Speaker 23: I don't know. Maybe maybe it's more complicated to unwind it. Obviously,

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Speaker 23: all the economists in the Reserve Bank and everyone are

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Speaker 23: going to see that and they're going to you know,

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Speaker 23: they're going to know. I don't I don't think it's

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Speaker 23: going to be hugely material to what the Reserve Bank's thinking.

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Speaker 23: But yeah, I'm not sure. Is it too hard to

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01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 23: change the website? That's I mean, the main thing is

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Speaker 23: just the headlines. It's number sits there on the website.

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Speaker 23: Maybe it's yeah, So William, this is.

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Speaker 4: Not good for stats. Do you remember at the end

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Speaker 4: of last year when they counted how many people had

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Speaker 4: lost their jobs in Wellington and they said it was

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Speaker 4: twenty thousand and it was like only ten percent of that.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, look they're under it must be under a fair

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Speaker 23: bit of pressure while you were away too. In one

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Speaker 23: of the last you know, sort of conferences with Adrian

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Speaker 23: or you know, they it was Select Committee in fact,

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Speaker 23: actually they the Reserve Bank, you know, kind of were

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Speaker 23: using it as an excuse and it looked like an

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Speaker 23: excuse for some of the forecasting that hadn't been great.

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Speaker 23: But they were saying, look, we're just not getting the

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Speaker 23: numbers we want from stats and Z we're not confident

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Speaker 23: in the you know, those GDP numbers that there was

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Speaker 23: huge revision lay. So you know, we take with a

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Speaker 23: grain of salt from the Reserve Bank under under pressure

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Speaker 23: to Select Committee. But you know, they were arguing that

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Speaker 23: that it needed to be better resourced. I wonder whether

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Speaker 23: it's resourcing or prioritization. Obviously the government's got no money

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Speaker 23: to resource it, but they need to and have said

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Speaker 23: that they maybe need to look at where they're focusing

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Speaker 23: and what the numbers are that really matter, because there's

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Speaker 23: a whole bunch of other numbers that you know, kind

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Speaker 23: of nice to have interesting bits of Kiwi information that

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01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:11,640
Speaker 23: get counted that I just I think we're going to

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01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 23: need to get these basics, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, totally. So who puts out the unemployment numbers?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he'll be status.

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Speaker 4: So and it is it is.

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Speaker 23: It is nuanced stuff. You know, you'll get. So we're

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Speaker 23: talking about whether it goes up to economists talking about

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Speaker 23: where it goes up from five point one to five

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Speaker 23: point two or five point three, so you know, the

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Speaker 23: margin ever era again is pretty pretty tight. Although you know,

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Speaker 23: if it goes up from five point one to five

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Speaker 23: point three, that that I think a quick count would

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Speaker 23: be another six thousand people out of work. So it's

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Speaker 23: you know, it's pretty real. You know, there's the current

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Speaker 23: number on classified as unemployed at the last count was

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Speaker 23: one hundred and fifty six thousand, so yeah, pretty significant, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Too, right leam listen, thanks very much, appreciate it, Liam Dan,

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Speaker 4: the Herald's Business editor at large, Heather Trump is looking

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Speaker 4: to be right on the Paris Agreement. It's a load

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Speaker 4: of crap. That's from Trevor Well. This is a chicken

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Speaker 4: and egg scenario with Trump and the Paris Agreement, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think we all could anybody with half

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Speaker 4: a brain who actually paid a little bit of attention,

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Speaker 4: just took the time to look at it, would have

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Speaker 4: said a very long time ago, this is completely impossible,

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Speaker 4: and this is nothing more than just basically a wish

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Speaker 4: list that you will like, Basically, you know, writing a

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01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 4: list to Santa about what you'd like for Christmas. You

1702
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 4: know that there's no Santa. You know it's not going

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01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 4: to happen, and you know the Paris Agreement's not going

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01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 4: to happen. But the reason that it's falling apart, I

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Speaker 4: would say probably the reason it's falling apart at pace

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Speaker 4: right now is probably because Trump pulled out and sort

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Speaker 4: of precipitated what was already going to happen. But he's

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01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 4: just sped it up. But yeah, you're right, Trevor's right.

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Speaker 4: Trump will in time probably be proved right by having

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01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 4: just looked at it and gone load of nonsense get

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Speaker 4: out six twenty three, whether.

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Speaker 1: It's macro microbe or just playing economics.

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Speaker 2: It's small on the fizz this now with Heather duplicy

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01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:05,759
Speaker 2: Ellen and who has insurance and investments, grow your wealth

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Speaker 2: to protect your future.

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Speaker 1: Talk.

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Speaker 4: Hey, it was only a matter of time. Karmala was

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01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 4: going to be back at some stage and Karmala is back.

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Speaker 4: She's made her first major speech since Donald Trump took office,

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Speaker 4: not happy about the state of things in the US

1721
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 4: at the moment, and really made an effort to explain

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Speaker 4: why she's upset at Donald Trump. But some things don't change,

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Speaker 4: and that is a Karmala word salad.

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Speaker 24: What we are in fact witnessing is a high velocity

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01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 24: event where a vessel is being used for the swift

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Speaker 24: implementation of an agenda that has been decades in the making.

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Speaker 4: Heather Duplicity alan Fully, no one has any idea what

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Speaker 4: she was saying at all whatsoever. We're going to go

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Speaker 4: to Ukraine just after the half past. They're gonna have

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Speaker 4: a chat there about what's going on with the minerals

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Speaker 4: deal and whether the Ukraine people of the Ukraine are

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Speaker 4: going to be happy with it, and so on. Back

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Speaker 4: to just back to my second new favorite topic of

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Speaker 4: the day, first being obviously the Paris Agreement's going to

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01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 4: fall apart at some stage. David Seymour and what he's

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01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 4: going to do to the ministries. This is why we

1737
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:17,759
Speaker 4: need to get rid of some of these ministries and ministers,

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01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 4: right the Minister for Women. So today the minute.

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Speaker 13: And I do.

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Speaker 4: I just want to say at the outset, I've got

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Speaker 4: no nothing against the actual person, Nicola greg She seems

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01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 4: to be doing a fantastic job, but she is the

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01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 4: Minister for Women and that's a stupid thing, the Minister

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01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 4: for women. So today she launched an online toolkit aimed

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01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,559
Speaker 4: to help women in the public eye address on and

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01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 4: offline harassment and abuse. The toolkit can be found on

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Speaker 4: the Ministry for Women website. It includes practical guidance to

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01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 4: help women in public roles navigate harassment, plan respond, and

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01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 4: say visible on their own terms. So it's basically just

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01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:55,599
Speaker 4: like a little bit of advice on if you're getting

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01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 4: bullied how to deal with the bully. Now, look, if

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01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 4: you're a woman in the public eye, you probably know

1753
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 4: how to use Googles. You're probably an adult, right, so

1754
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 4: you can google it, just go on the internet. But instead,

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01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 4: what we've done is we've paid some public servants to

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01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 4: go on the internet and then get that information together

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01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 4: and put it a nice little toolkit, and we've paid

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01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 4: somebody to put it on the website, and then we've

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01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 4: paid somebody to come up with a launch event. Can

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01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 4: you see why we this is self justification just cut

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Speaker 4: the role and then we don't have this nonsense justifying

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Speaker 4: the role headlines.

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Speaker 2: Next everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business

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Speaker 2: Hour with Heather Duplicy, Ellen and Mass Insurance and investments,

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Speaker 2: Grow your wealth, protect your future, use talks that be.

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Speaker 2: I know you're.

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Speaker 4: Wondering why New Zealand Music month first of May, so

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01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 4: you know you can celebrate it for the remained all

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01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 4: of May. Go hard and just bang out these old tunes.

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Speaker 4: It's twenty four away from seven. After months of tense

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Speaker 4: negotiations and that meeting in the White House, Ukraine and

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01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 4: the US have signed a minerals deal now. Under the deal,

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01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 4: the two countries would share profits from the sale of

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Speaker 4: Ukraine's mineral reserves in the future, and Ukraine is believed

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Speaker 4: to have vast reserves of critical minerals like graphite, titanium

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Speaker 4: and lithium. Ewan MacDonald is the editor of New Voice

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01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 4: of Ukraine and with US. Ewan Hello, Hello, is this

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Speaker 4: a good deal for Ukraine.

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Speaker 10: It's a better deal than the one that was offered previously.

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Speaker 10: Ukraine has been negotiating for a long time with the

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Speaker 10: US administration about this deal. It was not seen positively

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Speaker 10: at first, I think in Ukraine because it seemed to

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Speaker 10: be exploitative of Ukraine. Ukraine is in a bad situation

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Speaker 10: at the moment, under attack by Russia. The war is

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Speaker 10: going on, lots of damage done this one. This deal

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01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 10: appears to be better because it does actually include the

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Speaker 10: idea that the US might invest actual military aid things

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Speaker 10: like air defense systems as part of its contribution to

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Speaker 10: the fund. So I think this deal will be taken

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Speaker 10: a bit more positively in Ukraine than it was before.

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Speaker 4: So will I mean, given that, what we should probably

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Speaker 4: take from the deal is that the US is now

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Speaker 4: financially involved in whether Ukraine actually comes out of this. Well,

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Speaker 4: should Putin be worried about this deal being signed.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's not good news for put In because what

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Speaker 10: it does is it binds Ukraine and US together, improves

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Speaker 10: the relationship which Putin was obviously trying to undermine and

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01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,799
Speaker 10: has been trying to undermine ever since the US started

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Speaker 10: to engage with Russia as part of this peace process.

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Speaker 10: The deal is not really I wouldn't say it's part

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Speaker 10: of the peace process because it's focused on the reconstruction

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01:24:56,600 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 10: of Ukraine after the war has ended. But it maybe

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01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 10: takes us a little bit down the road more towards

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01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 10: actually starting to poke about peace. Maybe the US will

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01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 10: be more engaged in trying to achieve a peace settlement

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Speaker 10: because basically no progress has been made on that so far.

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Speaker 4: What are the real reason do you think that Pusian

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01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 4: announced that cease fire for next week?

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Speaker 10: The Seaspire dates coincide with Russia's Victory Day, which is

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Speaker 10: on May ninth, when traditionally Russia holds a large military

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Speaker 10: parade in Moscow. Russia's air defense systems have proved to

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Speaker 10: be not very effective against Ukrainian drones, and Ukraine now

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Speaker 10: has drone forces and missiles capable of striking targets in

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Speaker 10: Moscow and beyond. So this is in Ukraine. It's quite

1815
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 10: clearly seen as basically a cynical way of Putin to

1816
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 10: hijack the idea of peace in order to protect his

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Speaker 10: parade and make sure that there are no embarrassing moments

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Speaker 10: his foreign guests are in Russia for this parade.

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Speaker 4: And you and do you think that Ukraine will honor that?

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Speaker 10: It is usually Ukraine goes along with these Russian unilateral

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Speaker 10: cease fires which are not really cease fires at all

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Speaker 10: because Russia tends to keep firing anyway. It uses these

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Speaker 10: cease fires to improve its positions, bring up logistics and

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Speaker 10: troops to the front, unmolested by Ukrainian drones. So Ukraine

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Speaker 10: will probably what usually does is says it will go

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Speaker 10: along with it. But if the Russians fire, then Ukraine

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Speaker 10: will respond in kind, and usually the Russians fire.

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Speaker 4: Now you and what are the chances that this piece

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Speaker 4: deal that has been has been proffered by the US,

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Speaker 4: where you know, there would be this massive concession of

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Speaker 4: land by Ukraine. What are the chances that this thing

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Speaker 4: actually squeaks over the line.

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Speaker 10: Very little chance, because of the political situation in Ukraine,

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01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 10: which is very much against just handing over land for peace.

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01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 10: That is not the roots of the conflict are not

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Speaker 10: really to do with land, is to do with political

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Speaker 10: control of Ukraine and the very idea of Ukraine being

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Speaker 10: a sovereign, independent state. Russia wants to destroy Ukraine basically

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01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:28,679
Speaker 10: in that and make it a sort of a vassal state. Also,

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Speaker 10: the peace deal, although it seems to give a lot

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01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:36,639
Speaker 10: to Russia, doesn't really give it all it wants. Again politically,

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Speaker 10: it wants control of Ukraine and so there's also going

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01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 10: to be pushed back from Russia and they don't like

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01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 10: the deal either, even though it appears to be far

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01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 10: more beneficial to Russia than to Ukraine.

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Speaker 4: So what's it going to take to make the steel work?

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Speaker 10: It would have to involve real negotiations between Russia and Ukraine,

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01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 10: the US as a mediator. At the moment, the US

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01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:06,639
Speaker 10: is just going presenting a plan to Russia and then

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Speaker 10: taking it to Ukraine to say, to see if it

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Speaker 10: likes it. Ukraine also and then it goes to Ukraine

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01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 10: and with another plan and says can we do this?

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01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 10: Ukraine agreed to cease fire fifty days ago that was

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Speaker 10: offered by the Trump administration but was never taken up

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Speaker 10: by the Russians. So there would have to be a

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Speaker 10: proper peace process really with contacts between Ukraine and Russia

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Speaker 10: through a mediator. Probably the moment is a sort of

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01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:37,719
Speaker 10: shuttle diplomacy which is not achieving any results.

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Speaker 4: You and it's good to talk to you. I really

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Speaker 4: appreciate you talking us through it. Thanks mate. Ewan McDonald

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Speaker 4: who is the editor of New Voice of Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Heather do for see Alan, does Ukraine.

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01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 4: Get their land back?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 19: Aaron.

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Speaker 4: That all depends on what happens here from here on.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't sound like that certainly doesn't sound like they're

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Speaker 4: going to give it up now, Lord Lord. And I'm

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01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 4: telling you this. I'm not telling you this actually because

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Speaker 4: it's New Zealand music math. But it's a happy it's

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01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 4: a happy moment that it is that. But also Lord

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01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 4: has announced that her new album is going to be

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Speaker 4: out in about eight weeks time. She's announced the launch date.

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01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:11,720
Speaker 4: It's out June twenty seven, and she's released the cover

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01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 4: photo and that apparently, apparently it's a bit controversial because

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01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 4: it's the X ray of her pelvic her I'm assuming

1877
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 4: it's hers, could be anybody's of a pelvic area X

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01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 4: ray of a pelvis with a zipper and a belt buckle.

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01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 4: I'm explaining this to you because I had to get

1880
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 4: answer to explain it to me because I looked at

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01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 4: it and I said, ants, what's that? And it was

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01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 4: her zipper, a zipper and a belt buckle and looks

1883
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 4: like some sort of like a marina or something. And

1884
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 4: if you don't know what a my arena is, I'm

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Speaker 4: not explaining it to you.

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Speaker 25: Just to be fair, yea hither you recognize that one

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01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 25: by yourself. I didn't have to help you out with that.

1888
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 4: One, because, yeah, once I knew it.

1889
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Speaker 25: Was belt buckle, I see a belt buckle on that one.

1890
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 4: Yet, once I knew what part of the body like,

1891
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:49,880
Speaker 4: once I understood, he gave me some landmarks that I

1892
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:50,960
Speaker 4: figured out the rest know.

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Speaker 25: The us of doctors. It clearly wasn't the head.

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01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,439
Speaker 4: No, it wasn't the head. Now listen, Okay, here's the

1895
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 4: thing about this. Okay, so producer Sam, who I don't

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01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,760
Speaker 4: know if you've met Producer Sam, but producer Sam is

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Speaker 4: the jet is the junior in the squad, and Producer

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01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 4: Sam is new. Producer Sam happened while I was a

1899
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 4: maternity leave and I arrived and then he was there,

1900
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 4: and so he is part of the squad and he's

1901
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:14,759
Speaker 4: set himself up. But he's not very good with money

1902
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:18,000
Speaker 4: because he woke up this morning and paid ninety dollars

1903
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 4: for Lord's album. And I didn't understand this because I'm

1904
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 4: going to get Lord's album for free on Spotify. So

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01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 4: I was like, why are you paying ninety dollars? Like

1906
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 4: what is arriving that you've paid ninety dollars for because

1907
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 4: it's arriving on my phone. And he said, what happened

1908
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 4: was he woke up this morning and he saw that

1909
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:38,080
Speaker 4: Lord had released because this is the thing that they

1910
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 4: do now, these artists, because they're all about to make

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01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:41,240
Speaker 4: a buck in a clever way, because you know, they

1912
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:43,599
Speaker 4: can't make it through CD sales and stuff, so they

1913
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 4: release it on vinyl now, and they don't just release

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01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:48,639
Speaker 4: one version on vinyl, but they release about four versions

1915
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 4: at a time. So you can get the JB High

1916
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:54,200
Speaker 4: Fi Special Edition, you could get the standard, you can

1917
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:56,640
Speaker 4: get the one that you know blows fireworks when you

1918
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 4: play it, you could get the one that's autographed. So

1919
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 4: he saw that in the it had sold out in

1920
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:03,800
Speaker 4: less than an hour, and he freaked out. And that,

1921
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 4: by the way, is a marketing gimmick.

1922
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:05,400
Speaker 1: Sam.

1923
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:07,559
Speaker 4: It didn't sell out in less than an hour because

1924
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 4: that's how many people wanted it. It's sold out in

1925
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 4: less than an hour because they released so few that

1926
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 4: it's you know what I mean, like we've been here before,

1927
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:17,599
Speaker 4: haven't we anyway, because we've been weren't born yesterday. But anyway,

1928
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 4: Sam freaked out, so he paid ninety dollars for a

1929
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 4: vinyl old school that is autographed, and that apparently when

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01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:28,240
Speaker 4: you play it has a picture, it develops a picture

1931
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:30,519
Speaker 4: as you play it, which apparently I didn't know that

1932
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 4: these things could do. But this is what vinyl technology

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01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 4: does now. So Sam is gonna But now here's the

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01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:38,960
Speaker 4: problem for Sam. He doesn't want to ruin the picture,

1935
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:42,360
Speaker 4: so he's going to have to buy He's gonna have

1936
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:45,040
Speaker 4: to buy another one that is a stock standard one

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01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 4: that he can play. Do you see how he just

1938
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:48,360
Speaker 4: got played by Lord? Well done?

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01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:48,759
Speaker 10: Lord.

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01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:51,400
Speaker 4: You don't need financial literacy classes, do you?

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01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:51,599
Speaker 1: Were?

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01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:53,400
Speaker 4: Off to the UK next? It's quarter too.

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01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 2: If it's to do with money, it matters to you

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Speaker 2: the business hour where the head is due for Cellen

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Speaker 2: and Theirs, insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future.

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Speaker 1: News Talks Envy.

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Speaker 4: Twelve away from seven. Inde Brady, a UK correspondent, is

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Speaker 4: with us evening. Inda.

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Speaker 9: Hey, Heather, great to speak to you.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So it's a big day for Nigel Farage because

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Speaker 4: you guys are going to vote on the council elections

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Speaker 4: and whatnot. But what does success look like for him?

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Speaker 9: I think it means winning hundreds of seats in the councils.

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Speaker 9: Across the country and getting into power in county councils

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Speaker 9: as a first step towards what he believes will be

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Speaker 9: a n Idel Farage premiership in four years time. Now,

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Speaker 9: let's not get carried away here. This is an Everestian

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Speaker 9: task for Farage. But that's the ambition he has set

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Speaker 9: for him and his Reform UK Party.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 9: Right now, I think UK politics is very split. There's

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Speaker 9: deep unease about Starmar's government. A lot of people are

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Speaker 9: not happy with some of the changes Starmer has made.

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Speaker 9: The Conservatives under Kenny Baden are going nowhere. So there's

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Speaker 9: there's lots of fractures and splits and Farage is getting

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Speaker 9: a lot of air time as he always does, and

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Speaker 9: his view is that this is the council election where

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Speaker 9: Reform get into power in some county councils and show

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Speaker 9: what they can do. But make no mistake, he's got

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Speaker 9: huge ambitions.

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Speaker 4: I mean, look, what are the chances that he takes

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Speaker 4: as many seats as the Tories.

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Speaker 9: I think that is absolutely possible. I think the Conservatives

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Speaker 9: will lose hundreds of seats. I think Labor will lose

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Speaker 9: hundreds of seats, and the person who will benefit the

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Speaker 9: most now it may well be just the protest vote.

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Speaker 9: One thing that's interesting here today. Just on a side note,

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Speaker 9: in terms of turnout, historically low turnout in council elections

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Speaker 9: at this time of year, it is going to be

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Speaker 9: the hottest May day in English history. It's going to

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Speaker 9: hit twenty nine celsius today in parts of the south

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Speaker 9: and the southeast. It may even hit thirty percent thirty celsius.

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Speaker 9: So what we're looking at is perfect conditions.

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Speaker 15: You know.

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Speaker 9: It's not as if it's going to be lashing rain

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Speaker 9: all day and people will look out the window and

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Speaker 9: say I'm not going to vote. I think voter turnout

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Speaker 9: will be higher than the media are saying, and for

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Speaker 9: as will benefit. You know, he's saying all the right things.

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Speaker 9: What he needs to do is turn a protest vote

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Speaker 9: into an actual movement and get the mechanics of a

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Speaker 9: political party that can take power in four years time.

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Speaker 9: I don't think he can, but that's what he needs

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Speaker 9: to do.

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Speaker 4: YEA very interesting all right? And where are we at

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Speaker 4: with the Birmingham Bins strike?

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Speaker 9: More meetings today? Would you believe this is week eight now?

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Speaker 9: There are still thousands of tons of rubbish all over

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Speaker 9: the streets of Birmingham week eight, as I say, and

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Speaker 9: the council leaders are sitting down today with the union leaders.

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Speaker 9: There's talk of now removing pay from the drivers of

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Speaker 9: the lorries as opposed to the guys and girls who

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Speaker 9: actually pick up the rubbish. So it's getting quite acrimonious.

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Speaker 9: But I think the anger they're very lucky in Birmingham

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Speaker 9: that there are no council elections for some reason. Birmingham

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Speaker 9: is not having elections today because I think every single

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Speaker 9: one of those councilors will be out on their backsides

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Speaker 9: the level of failure of leadership we've seen over this issue.

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Speaker 9: Can you imagine eight weeks without having your bins picked up?

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Speaker 9: And as I say, twenty nine celsies today, how's that

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Speaker 9: gonna smell?

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Speaker 4: Hmm, that's not good at all. Hey, Inda, thanks very much, appreciate.

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Speaker 4: It's Inde Brady, our UK correspondent, Heather. Is your Sam

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Speaker 4: the same Sam that Hoskins winds up in the morning? No, No,

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Speaker 4: it actually is different. But listen, there's a thing that

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Speaker 4: happens here at News TALKSB and it's really weird. But

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Speaker 4: most of the male producers are called Sam and all

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Speaker 4: of the female producers are called Laura. And so what

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Speaker 4: it does is it it's just because how this basically

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Speaker 4: works is that people like myself in Hosking and Ryan

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Speaker 4: and Kerry are divas, like just tantrums about everything, tantrums

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Speaker 4: about tantrums about the printer, tantrums about that. I don't

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Speaker 4: know if you heard Hosking having a tantrum about the

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Speaker 4: hot tap yesterday, but he just did on air what

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Speaker 4: I did off fair and we got a jug as

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Speaker 4: a result. He got a thermist del of it. He'll

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Speaker 4: tell you about that tomorrow, I'm sure. Just lots of

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Speaker 4: tantrums from the hosts. And what they've realized is that

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Speaker 4: it's just too much for the hosts to have to

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Speaker 4: get to know people. So they just get that the

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Speaker 4: only people that they will hire and to produce the

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Speaker 4: jobs of people with the same names, because it's we

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Speaker 4: don't want to have to learn another thing. I don't

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Speaker 4: want to Dave. I don't need a Dave. I've got

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Speaker 4: an ants and of Sam and that's enough. And he's

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Speaker 4: got a Sam and a Glenn and that's enough. And

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Speaker 4: I've got a Laura and he's had a Laura, and

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Speaker 4: I've had a Laura before. In fact, I've had three Lauras.

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Speaker 4: So we're just what we're trying to do is we're

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Speaker 4: just trying to manage the divas. That's all that's going

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Speaker 4: on here. And I tell you what, who's Kerry got again?

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Speaker 4: Is it a Laura? Or to Helen? When Helen leaves it,

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Speaker 4: she's probably the fifteenth Helen that Carry's had. When Helen leaves,

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Speaker 4: she'll get another Helen because we're not going to tolerate

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Speaker 4: anything else. Ight away from seven, it's.

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Speaker 2: The Heather too for see allan Drive full show podcast

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Speaker 2: on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk zb OH.

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Speaker 4: By the way, weird thing, you know, I was telling

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Speaker 4: you at the start of the program about Elon Musk

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Speaker 4: and you know, maybe getting eventually replaced as the CEO

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Speaker 4: over at Tesla and whatnot. He tuned up. And part

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Speaker 4: of the reason is because he's spending so much time Washington.

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Speaker 4: He turned up in Washington today at the US Cabinet

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Speaker 4: meeting wearing two baseball caps like he was wearing a cap,

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Speaker 4: and then he was wearing a cap on top of

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Speaker 4: that cap.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, miss present.

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Speaker 2: You know they say I wear a lot of hats

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Speaker 2: and as you can see that's true.

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Speaker 1: Even my hat has a hat.

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Speaker 4: He's weird like that is a weird thing to do.

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Speaker 4: Very quickly. Got to tell you coppers. You know we've

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Speaker 4: been talking about the fitness test on this program. It

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Speaker 4: doesn't appear that that is the biggest problem that we've

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Speaker 4: got with our police graduates. Whether they can run and

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Speaker 4: jump into all those things, it's whether they can drive.

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Speaker 4: Because one of them has just graduated, and at the

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Speaker 4: start of last month, about a month ago, about six

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Speaker 4: o'clock in the evening Wellington, north of Wellington, not far

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Speaker 4: from Port to Partimatter road rolled the car multiple times,

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Speaker 4: not chasing anyone, not going to an emergency, no lights,

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Speaker 4: no sirens, but just crash. The car just crashed it

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Speaker 4: so badly it rolled multiple times and the copper and

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Speaker 4: the copper's passenger also a copper, had to go to hospital.

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Speaker 4: The cops won't confirm whether there was excess speed. But

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Speaker 4: I didn't come down with the last shower, and you

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Speaker 4: and I know they took the car out for a whoon,

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Speaker 4: didn't they. So maybe driving skills lacking, maybe brains as well.

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Speaker 4: Maybe we need a brain test and.

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Speaker 25: Outlook for Thursday by a did smash play us out

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Speaker 25: to this, yep, yep. Sir Dave Dobbyin, believe it or not,

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Speaker 25: has never played a solo gig at the Auckland Town Hall,

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Speaker 25: which is weird because the Eakland Town Hall has been

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Speaker 25: around even longer than he has.

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Speaker 7: But there you go.

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Speaker 25: But he's going to break that, break that duck on

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Speaker 25: June the fourth. He's going to be playing a solo

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Speaker 25: show there. He says. There'll be some of the deep cuts,

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Speaker 25: there'll be some of the the anthems. Is going to

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Speaker 25: do the whole lot. If you're not in Norkland, don't worry.

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Speaker 25: He's still actively touring, so I'm sure he will have

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Speaker 25: other shows.

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Speaker 4: Tell them what you did, tell them what you nearly

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01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:47,160
Speaker 4: did at what.

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Speaker 25: The song all? I was going to do a Slice

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Speaker 25: of Heaven because that's herbs in it as well, and

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Speaker 25: I was trying to do you know, New Zealand music

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Speaker 25: mus try and represent as media.

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Speaker 4: Like playing that's like playing that annoying crowded house song.

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Speaker 4: What's the annoying crowded house song? Oh, you know the

2101
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 4: one that they played in America, you know the one

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Speaker 4: everybody knows. Don't even mention it because somebody who's gonna

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Speaker 4: have an earworm, but you don't play that song.

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Speaker 25: I think a lot of the audience of fans of

2105
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Speaker 25: the old.

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Speaker 4: And you don't relay slice of Heaven.

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Speaker 25: I just think a lot of the audience would a

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Speaker 25: white slice of Heaven. But that's okay. They were like

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Speaker 25: this too, It's.

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Speaker 4: Fine, okay, enjoy it. I think I might go to

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Speaker 4: this because it's Dave Dobbin, and Dave Dobbin is a

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Speaker 4: living legend. See you tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: News.

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Speaker 2: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to

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Speaker 2: News Talk said B from four pm weekdays, or follow

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