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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from News Talk, ZEDB.

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Speaker 2: Grade Cricketer and online Phenomenon. It's satirical take on cricket

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Speaker 2: across the Globe's earned them an audience of nearly a

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Speaker 2: million on social media. They have an international number one podcast,

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Speaker 2: They do live tours and have produced two best selling books.

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Speaker 2: They talk about cricket as it really is and should

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Speaker 2: be talked about. I reckon in a hugely relatable fashion.

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Speaker 2: The brains, the faces, the voices behind it. To former

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Speaker 2: Sydney grade cricketers Sam Perry and Ian Higgins, who have

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Speaker 2: been at the T twenty Cricket World Cup in the

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Speaker 2: Caribbean and the United States, mainly on the Grade American

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Speaker 2: road Trip. They're back. They join us. Now, how was

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Speaker 2: the road trip? Boys?

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Speaker 3: Thanks Jason, and just cannot start by saying that's in

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Speaker 3: a wonderful intro.

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Speaker 4: Was the best intro I've ever had.

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Speaker 3: That's Sue Solomon ernest for anything a white man can take.

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Speaker 3: I immediately want to make a joke about it. But

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Speaker 3: that was very kind of you. You know, we've been

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Speaker 3: in the US, as you said, during the Great American

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Speaker 3: road Trip and it's to be a shout out to

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Speaker 3: our sponsors Wise who got that happening for us, the

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Speaker 3: international money transfer app. But yeah, we were We started

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Speaker 3: in Texas, we saw the first game of USA Canada.

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Speaker 3: We were very skeptical about what we were going to see,

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Speaker 3: like Texas is just a place of highways and billboards

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Speaker 3: advertising personal injury lawyers and Jesus and we went to

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Speaker 3: the rodeo, but it was actually very very cool. Like

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Speaker 3: sniper rifles and stuff. It was all weird and wrong.

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Speaker 3: But when you saw that South Asian diaspora population have

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Speaker 3: such pride at cricket, their connection to home being played

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Speaker 3: on US soil, which is their new home, it was

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Speaker 3: actually very heartwarming and we were really pleased to be

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Speaker 3: able to go there. We went to New York and

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Speaker 3: saw India versus Pakistan as well. Same thing again, so

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Speaker 3: like it is crazy how much South Asian, the South

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Speaker 3: there to record it all and have fun with it

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Speaker 3: and thankfully for our business, India beat Pakistan YouTube subscribers

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Speaker 3: went up.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the United States is huge as we know,

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Speaker 2: Asian population, who of course love it wherever it's played

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Speaker 2: on the globe, But did you every day yank get

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Speaker 4: I would say a couple of rare units got around it,

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Speaker 4: A couple of guys looking for a sort of identity change,

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Speaker 4: a new identity.

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Speaker 4: If the padres hadn't worked out for them, maybe the

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Speaker 4: cricket team might have done. Yeah. No, Look, I think

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Speaker 4: I think fundamentally that this first World Cup there they

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Speaker 4: think that's that's that's definitely a longer term play for them,

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Speaker 4: no quick question. But at the moment you actually don't

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Speaker 4: But it was still it was still well received, no

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Speaker 2: What have you made of the I know you know

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Speaker 3: That's a deep question and layered question really. But like then,

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Speaker 4: It was.

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Speaker 3: It made for some kind of dour, unpredictable cricket as

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Speaker 3: You know, Afghanistan's had an inspired World Cup. They knocked

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, we can talk about that in a moment,

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Speaker 2: But can I ask you I was about the grade cricketer.

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Speaker 2: It's just it's a phenomenon. Man, did you have any

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah, there's actually what it

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Speaker 4: started as it started on Twitter twelve thirteen years ago.

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Speaker 4: Now that rolled into our first book in twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 1: That's that's not the end.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully there's more to come from us, but no, it's

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Speaker 3: Tell us, it got out of hand.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, and in a fantastic way. Tell us about

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Speaker 2: that that Broadway show. I mean were up there thinking,

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Speaker 3: No, not a gall Jason.

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Speaker 3: I was disappointed with the theater size. I thought we

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Speaker 3: Because people like laughs with their sport, that's probably what

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Speaker 2: I think what you do as well appears to me anyway,

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Speaker 3: So it's really just trying to be as truthful as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, incredibly authentic, A spectacular display of willpower too. To

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Speaker 2: two on New Zealand Orgians. That is wonderful stuff from

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Speaker 4: It's exciting their middle order, power of Classen Miller, Tristan Stubbs, Ada, Markham,

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Speaker 4: enjoyable cricketers to watch there. That's not to say that

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Speaker 2: Incredible. Hey guys, it has been such a pleasure to

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Speaker 2: the New Zealand at some stage again soon. We'd love

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Speaker 2: to see you. We always enjoy losing to your teams

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Speaker 2: and mixing with your fans. Thanks for joining us across

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Speaker 2: New Zealand today. They really appreciate your time. Thanks Jason Jason,

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys. That is the grade cricket up here on

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Speaker 2: weekend sport. Wonderful stuff. The teach twenty Cricket World Cup

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Speaker 2: Final two thirty tomorrow morning, New Zealand time and Barbados

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Speaker 2: as South Africa take on India.

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