Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Built Up podcast with Peter
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Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: I woke up Sunday morning with no weight to hold.
Speaker 3: My hands didn't hurt, and the beer I had for
Speaker 3: breakfast wasn't bad, so I had one more for dessert.
Speaker 3: Then I fumbled through my closet for my clothes and
Speaker 3: found my cleanest dirty shirt, and I shaved my face
Speaker 3: and combed my hair and stumbled down the stairs to
Speaker 3: meet the day. I'd smoked my brain the night before,
Speaker 3: long cigarettes and songs that i'd been picking. But I
Speaker 3: lit my first and watched a small kid cussing that
Speaker 3: a can that he was kicking. Then I crossed the
Speaker 3: empty street caught the Sunday smount of someone frying chicken,
Speaker 3: and it took me back to something that I'd lost somehow,
Speaker 3: somewhere along the way on the Sunday morningside of.
Speaker 4: Wishing Lock, I was stolen.
Speaker 3: But there's something near a Sunday makes a buddy feeler,
Speaker 3: And there's nothing shortie have this ansome as the sound.
Speaker 4: On the sleeping sit side.
Speaker 3: Sunday moll coming down.
Speaker 4: Well, A very good morning, and welcome along to the
Speaker 4: Resident Builder on a Sunday slightly different song. This morning,
Speaker 4: I thought we should mark the passing of Chris Christofferson,
Speaker 4: who passed away I think about age eighty eight during
Speaker 4: the week, and at one stage I did entertain the
Speaker 4: thought of using that as an introduction song that was
Speaker 4: all about Sunday mornings. But I listened a little bit
Speaker 4: more closely to the lyrics, not maybe not radio good morning, Welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 4: My name's Pete wolf Camp, still with a slightly husky voice.
Speaker 4: My apologies for that. It's one of those weeks we
Speaker 4: sort of you know, got a battle on a little
Speaker 4: bit with feeling a bit off color. But anyway, we're
Speaker 4: back into it and enjoying the enjoying being with you
Speaker 4: this morning, so looking forward to talking all things building
Speaker 4: and construction. We are aware that there has been a
Speaker 4: reasonably sizable and certainly widely felt earthquake in Wellington this
Speaker 4: morning just after five or just at five eight. Geannette
Speaker 4: reports it now as a five point seven shake about
Speaker 4: twenty five kilometers to the west of Wellington, CBD, at
Speaker 4: a depth of around thirty kilometers, but certainly plenty of
Speaker 4: people in the region were awokened. The reporter that we
Speaker 4: listened to in our bulletin there at six o'clock was
Speaker 4: talking about the building that they were in, the flat
Speaker 4: that they were moving around reasonably significantly. Certainly, if there's
Speaker 4: any update on that, or if there is any report
Speaker 4: of damage, or are there are any notices about, you know,
Speaker 4: buildings that might be closed that sort of thing, we
Speaker 4: will bring that to you and we'll try and get
Speaker 4: in touch with someone in Wellington as well. And if
Speaker 4: you've got a question of a building nature, well the
Speaker 4: lines are open to you. We're going to talk all
Speaker 4: things building this morning. We have a couple of guests
Speaker 4: joining us as well. One thing that I wanted to
Speaker 4: focus on specifically today talking with some of our experts
Speaker 4: from Metro Performance Glass was around safety and I don't
Speaker 4: know if you've ever had that experience, either of I'll
Speaker 4: tell you a story about why we've got safety glass
Speaker 4: now and why it wasn't around the nineteen eighties when
Speaker 4: I was at school, and what happened as a result
Speaker 4: of that, but also increasingly as part of final inspections
Speaker 4: for buildings, you know, certain types of glazing has to
Speaker 4: specifically be safety glass. So what is it? Why do
Speaker 4: we have it? What are the general rules around it.
Speaker 4: We'll be talking about safety, glass and then the other thing.
Speaker 4: And I feel I'm in a kind of privilege, lucky.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm in a position where I spent
Speaker 4: a bit of time catching up with people who are
Speaker 4: doing new and exciting things. If not in the construction sector,
Speaker 4: then in sort of the waste area as it happens.
Speaker 4: But it construction contributes an enormous amount to the waste stream,
Speaker 4: so the too often overlap. And I was at the
Speaker 4: miter Ten Expo and for their exit or for their suppliers,
Speaker 4: and also that I went along to the gala a
Speaker 4: couple of months ago, which was delightful, and as well
Speaker 4: as tootling around the exhibition center, there was a gentleman
Speaker 4: there in a fetching kind of slightly pink maybe a
Speaker 4: Semoni colored suit that seemed to be cut out of
Speaker 4: a fabric that I'd never seen before. Turns out that,
Speaker 4: in fact, the fabric such that it was was completely
Speaker 4: out of recycled fabric. So if you take textiles in
Speaker 4: for recycling, this is the company that will do it,
Speaker 4: or one of the companies that will do it. So
Speaker 4: Tim from Retex is going to join me just after
Speaker 4: eight o'clock to talk about this, because it's all about
Speaker 4: waste minimization, right about diverting material from landfill. We all
Speaker 4: know in the sort of waste minimization field that it's
Speaker 4: reused then recycle. But we've also got to be practical
Speaker 4: and say not everything can be We can't. In some cases,
Speaker 4: it's hard to reduce materials that we use in business,
Speaker 4: whether that's construction or any other part of business. Sometimes
Speaker 4: it's not possible to reuse those items. So if you've
Speaker 4: got you know, in this case, I was talking to them,
Speaker 4: and they take, for example, old overalls from construction sites,
Speaker 4: old hybrid vests and those sorts of things, and then
Speaker 4: they will repurpose it into various products. And that's a
Speaker 4: way of ensuring that it doesn't simply go into waste.
Speaker 4: It doesn't go straight to landfill. It can be given
Speaker 4: another life by being recycled. Anyway, I found it fascinating
Speaker 4: and given that I kind of spent a bit of
Speaker 4: time in that space, I'm a board member of a
Speaker 4: trust that administers a recycling center or a resource recovery center.
Speaker 4: It is a very very important issue for us all
Speaker 4: to deal with to be just an aside for this
Speaker 4: and we've got some calls lined up and I'm looking
Speaker 4: forward to chatting with you. I was staggered that there
Speaker 4: wasn't more conversation around recycling and the closure of the
Speaker 4: paper recycling plant in Auckland that slated to happen before Christmas.
Speaker 4: There's many hundreds of jobs that are going to disappear
Speaker 4: from that factory. It is also the plant that processes,
Speaker 4: as I understand it, all of the paper recycling for Auckland.
Speaker 4: So given that you know, we've all hopefully in Auckland
Speaker 4: anyway got into the habit of putting our cardboard in
Speaker 4: our newspapers and now envelopes and anything over a four
Speaker 4: into our recycling bins, where's that material going to go?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 4: I'm just staggered that it didn't get more reporting, to
Speaker 4: be blunt, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. So
Speaker 4: if you've got a building project, if you've got something
Speaker 4: that underway, you're thinking about getting it underway, you're looking ahead.
Speaker 4: It's been a tough old weather week obviously in Dunedin.
Speaker 4: We've had fair share of wet weather here in Auckland
Speaker 4: again as well. Certainly duned, and my sympathies to those
Speaker 4: people who are impacted by that, either by a couple
Speaker 4: of reasonably significant landslides there or by the flooding. Good
Speaker 4: response to the flooding, you'd have to say, in terms
Speaker 4: of council response, government response, the Minister going straight there
Speaker 4: before the event actually happened, knowing that it was going
Speaker 4: to be reasonably severe, and there seems that though it
Speaker 4: has resulted in a number of houses being red stickered
Speaker 4: at this stage, which means that people are not able
Speaker 4: to go back into their houses after a weather event
Speaker 4: like that. So you certainly have my sympathy if you've
Speaker 4: been caught in that. Right, Let's talk all things building construction.
Speaker 4: If you've got a call, if you've got a question
Speaker 4: and you would like to call, the number is eight
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you'd like to text,
Speaker 4: and you're more than welcome to do that, it is
Speaker 4: nine to nine two from your mobile phone or ZEDBZB
Speaker 4: and by all means flip me an email if you wish.
Speaker 4: It's peaked at newstalksb dot co dot NZ. I mentioned
Speaker 4: on the program last week too that I'd had a
Speaker 4: particularly busy week the week before and that I hadn't
Speaker 4: got around to sending out some plans for olboxes. This
Speaker 4: has become a bit of a thing on the show.
Speaker 4: You might have noticed. I got asked in the supermarket
Speaker 4: yesterday how I'm going with the l boxes. So I
Speaker 4: did reply to a whole bunch of emails, actually only
Speaker 4: yesterday to be fair, and sent out a heap of
Speaker 4: plans to people that want albox details. So thank you
Speaker 4: for your patience and good luck making them. Please let
Speaker 4: me know if OL's happen to move in to their
Speaker 4: new house that you've made for them. Oh, eight hundred
Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. And if
Speaker 4: you want to give us a call and give us
Speaker 4: a bit of an update from Wellington, you're more than
Speaker 4: welcome to do that as well. It is sixteen minutes
Speaker 4: after six paul A, very good wanting to you you,
Speaker 4: good morning to you for people.
Speaker 5: And let's let's pray that there's nothing no damage down
Speaker 5: to Warrington.
Speaker 4: Certainly no reports at the stage.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's great. I've got we've got a rental property
Speaker 5: and we we've got recommended a tiler to come and
Speaker 5: do some tiling tile of bathroom that flows into the
Speaker 5: kitchen right, and the tilt was a nightmare. He used
Speaker 5: the brand new kitchen sink as is mixing for mixing
Speaker 5: his grouse and whatnot, and instead of grouting the grout gaps,
Speaker 5: he ended up placing ground all over the tiles. So
Speaker 5: the tiles have been grouted as well as the ground
Speaker 5: and it's pretty dusty, awful, and to be honest, a
Speaker 5: paper guy don't want to see him back again. You know,
Speaker 5: just a nightmare. Can you imagine? I've got a click
Speaker 5: try and turn the sink back into a brand new
Speaker 5: kitchen sink which we've set set up. You know, we've
Speaker 5: we've done the line share of it. Now we've get
Speaker 5: some metal cleaner to clean the rest of it. But
Speaker 5: what a nightmare of a of an individual?
Speaker 4: Can I just ask? Because you know, I mean, I
Speaker 4: have these conversations with people a fair amount right where
Speaker 4: where they contract a trades person who turns out to
Speaker 4: be basically useless. Yeah, so you know, like, why did
Speaker 4: you choose that person? And did you get any sense
Speaker 4: that maybe they weren't up to the job before they started.
Speaker 5: I've got no sense whatsoever that he wasn't up to
Speaker 5: the job. He was an experienced tyler that knew what
Speaker 5: he was doing.
Speaker 4: But how did you get in touch with him?
Speaker 5: I'm just curious through a friend recommended by a friend,
Speaker 5: and they who've been to see the job yesterday and
Speaker 5: was absolutely mortified. The sink had about two or three centimeters. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we're talking a.
Speaker 4: Nightmare, you know, right, Yeah, okay, and.
Speaker 5: You can imagine why I just don't even want to
Speaker 5: go back on the site. And to be honest, the
Speaker 5: tiling job was so poorly done. I'm glad it's just
Speaker 5: a rental property. If it was my home and auto
Speaker 5: you rip the whole lot up and start again.
Speaker 4: Right, Okay, so we're too from here.
Speaker 5: What I'm my question for you? How do I clean
Speaker 5: those tiles?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 5: Scenic product or do I use tubs or no?
Speaker 4: No, no, stay away from turps. Look, I would gosh, if
Speaker 4: there happens to be like a bag of the grouse
Speaker 4: or something like that left, or if you happen to
Speaker 4: see what there is, I would take that down to
Speaker 4: a tile shop, go tile Space for example, and just say, look,
Speaker 4: this is my situation. What's the recommended tile cleaner for this?
Speaker 4: And they will have very very specific products for that
Speaker 4: and use only products recommended by someone like tile space,
Speaker 4: you know, a quality tile store, and then go back
Speaker 4: and start doing the cleanup from there. You know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: pretty much, pretty much. And the other thing I guess
Speaker 4: to be conscious of is that you want to make
Speaker 4: sure that they haven't grouted let's say, you know, ninety
Speaker 4: degree corners where there should be flexible selant. If they
Speaker 4: have done that, ideally you'd get someone either do it
Speaker 4: yourself or get someone to go through rake that out
Speaker 4: and make sure that the sealant goes in. There is
Speaker 4: any of the tiling in critical spaces like a wet
Speaker 4: area inside a shower enclosure.
Speaker 5: No, it's not, it's box, okay, all right?
Speaker 4: And the tiling did they do the floor or just
Speaker 4: the walls?
Speaker 5: Just the floor fortunately, okay?
Speaker 4: And is the floor onto a concrete slab or is
Speaker 4: it on a it's onto a concrete slab, okay, all right.
Speaker 4: So you know, realistically speaking, I'm just thinking about potential
Speaker 4: water damage water ingress in the future, given that it's
Speaker 4: it's not in a shower, it's really just on a
Speaker 4: splash stone and it's on aunt concrete slab. If they
Speaker 4: haven't done a great job, the risk of further damage
Speaker 4: is minimal.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just cleaner.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the nightmare. So yeah, so go to you.
Speaker 4: Go to the tiles space. They've they've got.
Speaker 5: Specified some type that I can apply.
Speaker 4: And to be fair, you know, if you, if you,
Speaker 4: you'll find that people there this is not the first
Speaker 4: time they've heard of something like this, so they will
Speaker 4: know exactly the right product to use.
Speaker 5: I've got photogram yeah.
Speaker 4: Right, Ah, and your mate must feel terrible.
Speaker 5: He feels like he should rip it up and pay
Speaker 5: for it the replacement himself. He just feels awful. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and he's a good mate too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know. And look, I've
Speaker 4: been completely honest with you. You know, like every obviously I
Speaker 4: know a bunch of tradees and people will ring and
Speaker 4: they'll go, hey, can you recommend such and such? And
Speaker 4: I was going to say nine times, maybe eight times
Speaker 4: out of ten the recommendation goes, well, but every now
Speaker 4: and then, and we all have bad days, right.
Speaker 5: And what I reckon I might have been on something,
Speaker 5: because you don't you don't grout the tile, you grout
Speaker 5: the whole, you grab the game.
Speaker 4: I think what it probably was is they were rushing
Speaker 4: to do the job. They threw the grout and you know,
Speaker 4: pushed it into the gaps. Didn't bother cleaning the tiles,
Speaker 4: because cleaning the toiles is quite a process, right, you
Speaker 4: need two buckets of water, you need sponge, and you
Speaker 4: know you spend time cleaning the excess off, washing the sponge,
Speaker 4: cleaning it down. Absolutely, you know it's it's quite the process.
Speaker 5: But man, give a process. After the fact, the grouts
Speaker 5: now said the grouted said, yeah, look.
Speaker 4: Good luck with the clean up. Hopefully it goes all
Speaker 4: right for you all the very you take care. Then
Speaker 4: it is just its mate. I've got an enormous I've
Speaker 4: got an enormous amount of sympathy for Paul because he's
Speaker 4: now faced with having to clean the job, but also
Speaker 4: for the mate that recommends someone and then they do
Speaker 4: such a rubbish job. And it's very very rare, and
Speaker 4: I'm talking over a very long period of time, but
Speaker 4: every now and then I'll recommend someone and they'll over
Speaker 4: the not recently and not for a while, and not
Speaker 4: very frequently, but every now and then someone will just
Speaker 4: have an off day. Someone will come back and go, okay,
Speaker 4: you recommend it this guy for whatever task but gee,
Speaker 4: I wasn't actually that happy with the job here. I've
Speaker 4: kind of almost stopped. Ah, No, I haven't. There are
Speaker 4: guys that I recommend to never let anyone down, but
Speaker 4: every now and then we all have a bad day,
Speaker 4: and that's the nature of actually building something, you know.
Speaker 4: The only people that don't make mistakes are those people
Speaker 4: who make nothing. Is always my motto. I wait, hundred
Speaker 4: and done, plenty of mistakes myself. I eight hundred eighty
Speaker 4: ten eighty is the number to call. We'll come back
Speaker 4: and talk to Mary straight after the break right he Oh,
Speaker 4: just wrapping up to some of the comments with regard
Speaker 4: to Paul and the issue of having He's got a
Speaker 4: couple of issues there. One is that Tyler did a
Speaker 4: poor job and has left a lot of the grout
Speaker 4: on the surface of the tile, so that needs to
Speaker 4: be cleaned off. Also, Tyler seemed to use the sink
Speaker 4: as somewhere to either mix up or clean up grout,
Speaker 4: which has left a lot of residue inside the sink
Speaker 4: and a texture has come through and said, hey, look,
Speaker 4: it's also highly likely that the sink or the drainage
Speaker 4: is going to be blocked or close to being so
Speaker 4: thank you. That's a very very good point that you make.
Speaker 4: So I suspect that, and you know, I'm just thinking
Speaker 4: about drain un blockers, right, which work on organic material
Speaker 4: that's not going to work on grout. So I would
Speaker 4: probably say to Paul, if you can, I would undo
Speaker 4: the p trap that's underneath the sink and just have
Speaker 4: a look at that and make sure that's not going
Speaker 4: to cause you issues in a couple of months as well.
Speaker 4: So Crik, it just goes on and on, I mean,
Speaker 4: and also it's such bad practice. And this is an
Speaker 4: issue you know when we're cleaning up on site, particularly
Speaker 4: with regard to paint, but certainly with regard to other materials,
Speaker 4: including sementitious materials like grouts, is that you should never
Speaker 4: never direct those down, certainly not storm water. The impact
Speaker 4: on stormwater is devastating. You know that even very small
Speaker 4: amounts of semontitious material going into storm water can cause
Speaker 4: significant damage to particularly you know, if stormwater is going
Speaker 4: into local streams, the impact there is enormous, Like please
Speaker 4: don't underestimate it. And it explains why counsels in particular
Speaker 4: are so hot on chasing up contractors. You know that
Speaker 4: wash off cement and that sort of thing into stormwater,
Speaker 4: and the fines are fairly significant, and they'll come along
Speaker 4: and test catch pits and areas and that sort of thing,
Speaker 4: and to be fair, it drives me nuts. I've seen
Speaker 4: it a couple of times and gone up to people
Speaker 4: and just kind of look, I'm really sorry, but this
Speaker 4: is completely unacceptable, you know, washing down. It's very rare
Speaker 4: that you see it from like large professional companies, but
Speaker 4: individual contractors from time to time. And it's a challenge. Right,
Speaker 4: you've finished doing concrete, You've got the left remnants, let's say,
Speaker 4: in your wheelbarrow. You've cleaned all your trowels and bits
Speaker 4: and pieces, and then you've got this highly alkaline material
Speaker 4: in sludgy water inside your wheelbarrow. Where do you tip it? Well,
Speaker 4: you certainly don't tip it into the curb or onto
Speaker 4: the drive and rinse it down into the drains and
Speaker 4: the same. I mean, I'm just thinking about Paul, with
Speaker 4: this contractor working in his house using the sink to
Speaker 4: clean it up, and that has terrible consequences. So you
Speaker 4: just have to find an area where you can tip
Speaker 4: it either onto the ground or into in an area
Speaker 4: that you've prepared where it's not going to inadvertently end
Speaker 4: up in either wastewater or storm water. Really really important.
Speaker 4: Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that
Speaker 4: number to call Mary? A very good morning to you.
Speaker 6: Hi, good morning, Pete. I've got a question. I was
Speaker 6: thinking of doing wall insulation, but I was looking at
Speaker 6: removing getting the passport and moved and paper and ye
Speaker 6: insulation put in the wall. I wanted to know, PLN
Speaker 6: you sort of do you have to do every wall
Speaker 6: in the house or can you do in sections and
Speaker 6: get consent for sections, Because in the bathroom it means
Speaker 6: you've got to rip the shower keebicle out and you've
Speaker 6: got to take you you've got to take the toilet out, yes,
Speaker 6: and then reinstall it all all for a little area
Speaker 6: of or it's about just over about a meter by
Speaker 6: meter that's actually visible.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Do I just wonder if there's anywhere getting consents like
Speaker 6: you know, to do a bedroom, lounge and things like that,
Speaker 6: the same as in the kitchen you've got to take
Speaker 6: all the kitchen cabinets, yes, and then reinstall the kitchen.
Speaker 6: I just wondered if there's a way of doing it
Speaker 6: that way.
Speaker 4: Do you intend to do the work sort of you know, consistently,
Speaker 4: like over a period of one or two years, or
Speaker 4: do you think I'm going to do something. I may
Speaker 4: not do anything for a couple more years and then
Speaker 4: I'll do another piece.
Speaker 6: I was thinking of. Perhaps you like the bathroom is
Speaker 6: not doing it at all?
Speaker 5: Right, okay, this the bathroom doesn't need.
Speaker 6: But I just wondered if there's a way.
Speaker 5: Of doing it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you can.
Speaker 6: Get a part like a park consent, or whether you
Speaker 6: have it has to be all or nothing.
Speaker 4: I mean, look what you're saying, while it seems like
Speaker 4: a really simple question, is in fact like, well, not
Speaker 4: a nightmare. It just gets quite complicated quite quickly. First up,
Speaker 4: good on you for for appreciating the fact that, in
Speaker 4: fact this type of work does require a building consent. Right,
Speaker 4: so you know, removing lining, adding insulation to existing exterior walls,
Speaker 4: and replacing the lining is still work that requires a
Speaker 4: building consent. Now, as an aside to that, I have
Speaker 4: argued for a number of years that that work should
Speaker 4: be potentially exempt from having a building consent. It should
Speaker 4: be the sort of work that could be done under
Speaker 4: Schedule one of the Act, which is work that sets
Speaker 4: out or a legislation that sets out what type of
Speaker 4: work could be done without necessarily requiring a building consent,
Speaker 4: and that it's the sort of work that, you know,
Speaker 4: if supervised by an LBP or by an architectural designer,
Speaker 4: an architect or an engineer, can be done to the
Speaker 4: code without necessarily requiring a building consent, given how much
Speaker 4: how important it is and how much of this work
Speaker 4: needs to happen, I suppose, but that's not the rules
Speaker 4: right now. So the rules are that you need to
Speaker 4: get a consent. Then it becomes an issue of you know,
Speaker 4: can you have or can you work with your counsel
Speaker 4: in a collaborative sense, where a council surely would look
Speaker 4: at this and go, look, it's fairly low risk. We're
Speaker 4: not going to demand a full set of plans. We're
Speaker 4: simply going to get, you know, a couple of page
Speaker 4: document that says this is what I intend to do.
Speaker 4: I'm going to remove the line, I'm going to add
Speaker 4: this type of insulation. If it's got what's it got
Speaker 4: on the outside is clanning, whether boards or brick.
Speaker 6: It's Britain stucco.
Speaker 4: Brick and stucco okay. So you know, if it's got
Speaker 4: building paper around the outside of the timber frames, then
Speaker 4: it's relatively straightforward.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 4: You add insulation, you replace the lining, and the low
Speaker 4: risk approach is to say, I'm going to fix all
Speaker 4: of my interior lining off as a brace as a
Speaker 4: GS one black brace, right, and chances are it's got
Speaker 4: as much bracing as it used to have. So you've
Speaker 4: addressed issues around Worcester ingress and around the stability of
Speaker 4: the building and you should be able to do that
Speaker 4: with very little intervention from the council, but technically it
Speaker 4: does require. The other option is that you go or
Speaker 4: you get someone to make a submission on your behalf
Speaker 4: and go for an exemption from a building consent. Right,
Speaker 4: So you're informing council that you're going to do some work,
Speaker 4: but given that it's relatively low risk, it's in an
Speaker 4: existing building, et cetera, et cetera. Ccait, you can get
Speaker 4: an exemption. Then you've got something on paper to say
Speaker 4: I've asked for approval but in this instance I don't
Speaker 4: need it here and here's evidence that I comply with
Speaker 4: the building code. Right, Or you're going to end up
Speaker 4: having to submit for a building consent and again, hopefully
Speaker 4: you know council is realistic and practical and go we
Speaker 4: don't need massive amounts of specification, We don't need a
Speaker 4: whole lot of information. We just need a brief description
Speaker 4: of what it is that you're doing and go from there. So, yeah,
Speaker 4: I think that's the process. And then the reason I asked,
Speaker 4: do you intend to sort of sequence the work, let's say,
Speaker 4: doing something every twelve months, is potentially you could get
Speaker 4: a building consent for everything that you intend and then
Speaker 4: just keep informing counsel that you'd like to extend the
Speaker 4: building consent given the nature of it, rather than having
Speaker 4: to get several building consents.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because I was quite surprised, I did get somebody
Speaker 6: to come and do a quote for me and to
Speaker 6: get like blown into those should put in your consents
Speaker 6: sort of something like around three hundred dollars to get
Speaker 6: a different consent.
Speaker 5: It's yeah, it could be two grande.
Speaker 8: Tiny little place is what.
Speaker 6: It's got three external walls and it's less than sixty
Speaker 6: square meters.
Speaker 4: The whole thing look like I can picture it.
Speaker 6: Nearly too grand to start within. Everything else on top
Speaker 6: is going to just make it to do and looks.
Speaker 4: I mean, yours is a fantastic example of something that
Speaker 4: I've been advocating for for a long time that it
Speaker 4: given the pretty desperate need we have to finish insulating
Speaker 4: houses that are uninsulated. You know that that putting the
Speaker 4: barrier of a building consent there. I have no problem
Speaker 4: with building consents, right, They're essential in terms of ensuring safety.
Speaker 4: But in something like this that is so low risk, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, your building has stood up for as long
Speaker 4: as it's stood up, it's probably got little to know
Speaker 4: bracing from the plaster board anyway. So if you were
Speaker 4: to remove that lining, install insulation, which is a tremendous
Speaker 4: benefit for the building, and then redo the plaster board
Speaker 4: with modern plaster board, fix it off as a GS
Speaker 4: one brace, which is the most basic type of bracing,
Speaker 4: you will probably end up with. You know, it's a
Speaker 4: much better building. You've you've helped the environment, You've you've
Speaker 4: helped our road to carbon zero, all of these sorts
Speaker 4: of things, and it shouldn't be a burden on you
Speaker 4: to do that work. And having to get a consent
Speaker 4: I think in this instance is such a burden on people.
Speaker 4: But that doesn't change the reality of it, which is that.
Speaker 6: It doesn't or do you hang out?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I was going to say, you know,
Speaker 4: the other option is that you do look at some
Speaker 4: of the blow and you know injected systems, which because
Speaker 4: they're a proprietary system, they've they've got a methodology for
Speaker 4: achieving a building consent, right, and so if it's been
Speaker 4: brands appraised or if it's got code mark that sort
Speaker 4: of thing, they can submit it to counsel. It's kind
Speaker 4: of like a pro former type of building consent where
Speaker 4: counsel looks at it goes, oh, yeah, we know what
Speaker 4: we're doing, what they're doing, we understand the system, They
Speaker 4: take care of the whole thing. They issue a statement
Speaker 4: at the end, we'll give you a building consent. And
Speaker 4: I've done that on one particular job. But I suppose
Speaker 4: it's maybe worth looking at for you because it's going
Speaker 4: to be more straightforward than having to go for your
Speaker 4: own building consent and so on. But you know, there
Speaker 4: might be other advantages in terms of for you, removing
Speaker 4: the lining, upgrading that upgrading switches and that sort of thing,
Speaker 4: and adding insulation and being able to see exactly where
Speaker 4: the insulation goes. I think you've got a great handle
Speaker 4: on it. I don't know that I can offer you
Speaker 4: anything more than that, other than to say I will
Speaker 4: continue to advocate to anyone in authority that's cares to
Speaker 4: listen that we should ed this type of work to
Speaker 4: to shoot you one of the building it okay, nice.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry for your poor chap his tiling. I had
Speaker 6: a problem. I had a problem and the house previous
Speaker 6: the one I had where Chap said that he was
Speaker 6: accredited installer of the waterproofing, and I asked for the
Speaker 6: consent and he said, oh, you get it from the manufacturers.
Speaker 6: And I got in touch with the manufacturers and noted
Speaker 6: and he was remanded by a tile shop.
Speaker 4: Oh that's not good.
Speaker 6: I was new to New Zealand, I didn't know anybody,
Speaker 6: and they recommended him. When I want to tell I
Speaker 6: had to write a letter yes, saying as far as
Speaker 6: I knew, it was all done to done how it
Speaker 6: should be, and put that with the details when I
Speaker 6: sold the place, and hope that it was all right.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 5: No, I understand with the plumber as well.
Speaker 6: I couldn't get the consent off of him, so to
Speaker 6: write a letter, so I thought he had. Yeah, he's
Speaker 6: done most of the sinks and stuff. Yeah, properly, but
Speaker 6: one think the cotton cold were.
Speaker 5: On opposite side, right, Yeah, and he.
Speaker 6: Dropped a tape measure down the toilet when he took
Speaker 6: it out instead of blocking it off, it finds out
Speaker 6: halfway under the slab. Yeah, so it wasn't best please
Speaker 6: knowing any not knowing any trades in music, Yeah, it's hard,
Speaker 6: went by people's recommendations and doesn't always get you anyway.
Speaker 4: Hey, looked lovely to check with your mirror. All the
Speaker 4: very best you take care, take care bothering. It is
Speaker 4: six forty here at New Stalks. He'd be we are
Speaker 4: beck with Ellen in just a moment. You and he'd
Speaker 4: be people resident build up with you this morning. Taking
Speaker 4: your calls quick text as well. Hey mate, we are
Speaker 4: looking to build deck out from our patio which will
Speaker 4: be overhanging our front lawn and probably three meters off
Speaker 4: the ground. It's a split level property. Do we approach
Speaker 4: a builder or an engineer or an architect? Just not
Speaker 4: sure where to start as it's not a simple job.
Speaker 4: Many thanks from Steve. You're absolutely right, Steve, it is
Speaker 4: not a simple job, so you probably going to end
Speaker 4: up engaging with all three because at three meters off
Speaker 4: the ground, it definitely definitely requires a building consent. In
Speaker 4: order to get a building consent, it will need a
Speaker 4: set of plans, which might be drawn by an architect
Speaker 4: or an architectural designer or a design LBP. Given the
Speaker 4: complexity of it, they will probably want to consult with
Speaker 4: an engineer and then ultimately you're going to need a
Speaker 4: builder to build it. So in this case it's the
Speaker 4: trifector buddy. You get all of them, but you definitely
Speaker 4: need a building consent for that type of work. Alan
Speaker 4: a very good morning.
Speaker 9: Well hello. I mean I've originally moved to a place
Speaker 9: that was built in the Landing forties in western Wellington.
Speaker 9: I was going to ask about windows, but there's been
Speaker 9: a very considerable earthquake here and I'm concerned that there's
Speaker 9: a massive chimney. There's a wood burner. The chimney seems
Speaker 9: to be about eight times bigger than what my parents
Speaker 9: had to their house, right they had to open fire.
Speaker 9: And the biggest earthquake hazard in this whole place is
Speaker 9: this huge chimney. It looks like it's like five or
Speaker 9: six feet high and three feet wide. Now, I was wondering,
Speaker 9: I don't know why it's such a massive structure. Is
Speaker 9: it feasible to reduce it to a smaller structure or
Speaker 9: use pumice or some lightweight material.
Speaker 4: Obviously you want to keep a wood burner.
Speaker 9: Well, well, at the moments, well I'm not expecting to
Speaker 9: stay here all that long, so so mainly just yeah,
Speaker 9: I'll keep it for the meantime here.
Speaker 4: Right, Look, I think you know christ Church and any
Speaker 4: number of earthquakes have taught us that there is significant
Speaker 4: hazards or hazard or risk associated with having chimneys, right
Speaker 4: that when the ground starts to move and that starts
Speaker 4: to oscillate, they tend to fall over, and when they
Speaker 4: do fall over, they end up crashing through the roofs
Speaker 4: and into the rooms below and around them. Right, So, look,
Speaker 4: would it be a sensible precaution to remove it? Yes,
Speaker 4: it probably would. Could you then upgrade the firebox and
Speaker 4: put in something that has less emissions and perhaps has
Speaker 4: a steel flu which has less risk if you could
Speaker 4: do you have to know, there's no requirement to do it.
Speaker 4: But if it's something and I can hear it in
Speaker 4: your voice, it's a genuine concern. I would probably look
Speaker 4: at that. I don't know that there's any great benefit
Speaker 4: from a practical point of view of trying to reduce
Speaker 4: the scale of it or anything like that. I've seen
Speaker 4: a number of houses where they've taken if the chimney's
Speaker 4: not in use, they'll take it down to below the roofline,
Speaker 4: you know, so that it prevents that part. Often sometimes
Speaker 4: they shear off at that junction and then tumble through
Speaker 4: the roof. So that's one approach to take. I have
Speaker 4: to go and check again. I wonder whether they're removed
Speaker 4: in some cases, Removing a chimney may require a building
Speaker 4: consent in some cases or almost in all cases. When
Speaker 4: these houses were built, the chimney was built quite early on,
Speaker 4: and then sometimes part of the roof framing is actually
Speaker 4: attached to the chimney. And certainly I've seen floor joists
Speaker 4: attached to chimneys that are built from the ground up,
Speaker 4: through the floor up, through the building, through the ceiling
Speaker 4: and so on.
Speaker 9: Okay, it was certainly it's like a sort of democles
Speaker 9: in this place. I mean, there's this huge structure. It's
Speaker 9: just like it's just waiting to fall. If there's a
Speaker 9: strong that birthquake. The other thing I was wondering about
Speaker 9: is being an old place, it's got sass windows and
Speaker 9: it's got French doors opening to a deck. Yes, so
Speaker 9: the problem with them is there's no openable windows in
Speaker 9: the rounge wh the French doors are. Is it practical
Speaker 9: to turn one of those panels, the sixteen panels of
Speaker 9: grass into a small openable window.
Speaker 4: Well, it requires remaking of the sash. So for example,
Speaker 4: if there's a fixed sash there, you could potentially take
Speaker 4: that sash out and replace it with some opening ones.
Speaker 4: It's not a little bit of work, but yeah, it
Speaker 4: is doable.
Speaker 9: What we without the opication was about actual sash windows.
Speaker 9: I was wondering, is it feasible to Of course, it's
Speaker 9: just a narrow, rectangular open a window at the top
Speaker 9: part of the that window, the bit that doesn't go
Speaker 9: up and down. Regarding these large sash windows and other rooms.
Speaker 4: Oh so you've got double hung sashes and you're thinking
Speaker 4: about changing that to a different type of window.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Well, the problem is every window in this place
Speaker 9: is like a door. The zero security. You can't sort
Speaker 9: of lead a small window opens as ventilation, right, And
Speaker 9: I wonder if if you look at a slash window,
Speaker 9: there's a huge, big sort of square of glass that
Speaker 9: doesn't move up and down at the top. I was
Speaker 9: wondering if he segregated off the top narrow rectangle of
Speaker 9: that glass and made that into an openable section, leaving
Speaker 9: the sash operation thing in place, would that be feasible
Speaker 9: a small event.
Speaker 4: If it is actually a genuine double hung sash window.
Speaker 4: I mean, I love them to bits because they do
Speaker 4: exactly that if you get them working again.
Speaker 9: Top one doesn't move up down.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But if it is a double hung sash window
Speaker 4: and it was made as a double hung sash window,
Speaker 4: theoretically you should be able to loosen that up and
Speaker 4: get it working again, in which case you can do
Speaker 4: exactly what you want is lower the top sash down
Speaker 4: maybe sixty or seventy five.
Speaker 9: Sorry, the top one doesn't move.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 9: Only the low one, yeah, the top one. I just
Speaker 9: wanted to create a smaller opening when dough because the
Speaker 9: sash window, if you're in another room, someone can just
Speaker 9: walk straight through it, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 9: There's no security with it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, everything is possible. Sorry, we're getting
Speaker 4: some really bad refurb so I'll just put you hold
Speaker 4: for a second. Ele the look everything is possible, but
Speaker 4: you know, you might find that the process is actually
Speaker 4: quite intricate and quite expensive. So yes, you could remove
Speaker 4: a fixed sash, install an opening sash, put in essentially
Speaker 4: like a fan light into that top space. But it's
Speaker 4: just not a simple solution. Unfortunately doable, but a little
Speaker 4: bit complex, and I think once you delve into it,
Speaker 4: you might find that it's just not worth the effort.
Speaker 4: Security stays on regular sash windows might be a more
Speaker 4: straightforward solution. Good luck with that, all the best and
Speaker 4: hope everything's all right for you and Wellington O eight
Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty ten eighty the number of call
Speaker 4: D A very good morning to you. Hello D. Hello.
Speaker 10: I live in christ Church and I'm having a water
Speaker 10: problem right. I have a small art gallery in my
Speaker 10: garden and I have a lot of neighbors. I am
Speaker 10: actually now our house in the middle of a lot
Speaker 10: of new buildings. Yes, everybody who's bought one of these
Speaker 10: new buildings thinks the rules are quite different, so they're
Speaker 10: all making up what do we do next? And the
Speaker 10: problem for me is that with the help of an
Speaker 10: age concerned builder.
Speaker 5: I have.
Speaker 10: Got the inside of my little gallery fixed so that
Speaker 10: the water doesn't come through. But the water does come
Speaker 10: through because the outside has been compromised. It's very, very wet,
Speaker 10: and I think the water is coming through from next door.
Speaker 10: But that's an issue we've got to chase up through
Speaker 10: the another avenue. I noticed that somebody else who's building
Speaker 10: next door is putting up some very thin and it
Speaker 10: looks like permanent material on the outside of their house.
Speaker 10: And I wonder if that sort of stuff, if you
Speaker 10: could tell me what it's possibly is, would be good
Speaker 10: on the outside of my gallery to solve the water
Speaker 10: coming through.
Speaker 4: So your gallery, is it a freestanding structure in your backyard?
Speaker 10: Yes, it is. It's a tiny little it's about the
Speaker 10: side of the side of a garage, and the inside
Speaker 10: is all right at the moment, okay, outside.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what. I've let myself go too long
Speaker 4: without taking a break, which is my problem, not yours.
Speaker 4: But can you just wait on the line and then
Speaker 4: we'll come back to you in just a moment, your
Speaker 4: new sorts. It'd be if you've got a question of
Speaker 4: a building nature. Oh eight hundred eighty is that number
Speaker 4: to call. Just before the break, we were talking with
Speaker 4: D who had an issue with a little studio in
Speaker 4: your back garden. D can you just run me through?
Speaker 4: So the building's completely self contained, like it's it's its
Speaker 4: own little structure. When you say you're getting water in
Speaker 4: it is the water coming up through the ground or
Speaker 4: is it coming in through the sides of the building.
Speaker 10: I think it's coming in through the sides of the building.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 10: The building made of breeze blocks.
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, yep? Are they painted on the outside? Are
Speaker 4: the breeze blocks painted on the outside?
Speaker 10: Not so sure because it's sort of coming off. It's
Speaker 10: of the met right, have looked on the outside and
Speaker 10: actually see holes where where the cracks between the blocks are, So.
Speaker 7: Yes, look right, I should put over that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean I don't know that you necessarily,
Speaker 4: you know, if it's as obvious as what you're describing,
Speaker 4: then I think having someone come through either with a
Speaker 4: flexible ceilant or with some adhesive grout or something like that,
Speaker 4: filling those gaps and then cleaning the outside and putting
Speaker 4: a decent coat of paint on the outside. For the
Speaker 4: type of building that it is, is probably going to
Speaker 4: be enough, right, if it's reasonably elevated, it's not soaking
Speaker 4: up moisture from the ground. If it's got a you know,
Speaker 4: serviceable roof on it, then I think the issues are
Speaker 4: probably around moisture. It's simply saturating the block, which it
Speaker 4: will do if it's completely unsealed or partly unsealed. So
Speaker 4: I think, you know, repairing any of those gaps and
Speaker 4: cracks and then giving a coat of paint, that's probably
Speaker 4: your solution, right, it doesn't let's not try and make
Speaker 4: a really complicated solution where there doesn't need to be
Speaker 4: able to do.
Speaker 10: It myself, at arrange it to be done myself. Yeah,
Speaker 10: So have you any suggestions to what.
Speaker 4: Who you would need to get? I mean you could potentially,
Speaker 4: well a reasonably competent painter should be able to assess
Speaker 4: it and then go, okay, look this is what we
Speaker 4: can use. Depending on the size of the gaps that
Speaker 4: might be there, we can go through and do that
Speaker 4: and then you know, strip off any or sand back
Speaker 4: or prepare any loose material on the outside, give it
Speaker 4: a coat of sealant that it needs, a key coat
Speaker 4: onto the breeze block, and then like I'd go two
Speaker 4: coats of X two hundred, which is a water proof
Speaker 4: or water resistant paint and designed for exterior masonry, and
Speaker 4: that should give you it. So I think if you
Speaker 4: can find a reasonably competent painter, I think that'd be
Speaker 4: the way to go deep.
Speaker 10: That's a good idea.
Speaker 4: All right, all the very best to you. I hope
Speaker 4: it all works out. Okay, Oh eight hundred eighty ten
Speaker 4: eighty is the number to call. Hey Glenn, good morning
Speaker 4: to you.
Speaker 8: You get how are you going today?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Good, thanks buddy.
Speaker 8: So we want to look, we've just put a swimming
Speaker 8: pool in and we want to like a like I
Speaker 8: don't know if it's a poolhouse or just like an
Speaker 8: area you can chill out. It may like three side
Speaker 8: three sides and are opening in the front soet you know,
Speaker 8: you can get away from the sun. Do we need
Speaker 8: a building consent for that or no?
Speaker 4: It's possible that you may not need one. So what
Speaker 4: I'm thinking is obviously it's going to be you know,
Speaker 4: somewhere between ten fifteen square meters in size.
Speaker 8: So if we like two panels wide, you know, like
Speaker 8: two fence pannels wide. So we're going to take two
Speaker 8: out and put it so you can walk into the
Speaker 8: inside of the pool, yep, into that little area.
Speaker 4: Yes, I think that where it would probably trigger a
Speaker 4: requirement technically for a building consent would be its proximity
Speaker 4: to the boundary. So if it is more than if
Speaker 4: it's more than its height away from the boundary, then
Speaker 4: typically you don't need a building consent for that, right yep.
Speaker 4: So as long as you can you can do that,
Speaker 4: just make sure it's far enough away, then no, I
Speaker 4: don't think it'll need a building consent. And also if
Speaker 4: it's going to be effectively it's a purglar right right
Speaker 4: with some closed in sides. It's not like it's a
Speaker 4: completely encompassed building.
Speaker 8: No, because even if we took the panels out and
Speaker 8: relocated them to the back, it's still been closed in
Speaker 8: that rules around the swimming pool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so no, I don't think so. And as long
Speaker 4: as I suppose, the other thing that you've got to
Speaker 4: be conscious of is you don't want it to inadvertently
Speaker 4: mean that your pool's not compliant in terms of the
Speaker 4: Pool Fencing Act, so that it's not close to the
Speaker 4: fence and climbable or something like that. So there's a
Speaker 4: couple of other considerations there.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, okay, that's cool. And that guy was to
Speaker 8: do the tiling if he's got a stainless saying, your
Speaker 8: best way is probably to look at like your auto
Speaker 8: soul and to bring your think out that clishing stuff,
Speaker 8: because it's quite good.
Speaker 4: I think I've seen that around.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, sold them like like rip coos and stuff.
Speaker 8: And yeah, we had the same problem with him to
Speaker 8: do with a roof when because we relocated a house
Speaker 8: and after a house fire.
Speaker 5: Yes, and it was done with and we it in.
Speaker 8: A whole year of a whole lot of help from
Speaker 8: the day that it burnt down to the day we
Speaker 8: got back and was in a year. And but we're
Speaker 8: that with a roof that we paid up a lot
Speaker 8: of money and the money went and the roofs never
Speaker 8: went on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we'll keep out there there unfortunately. Yep.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so I know what he's going through. But yeah,
Speaker 8: town devil, look at that all those so can there
Speaker 8: from rep and stuff.
Speaker 4: Brilliant. Appreciate it, Glenn. All the very best to you.
Speaker 4: Take care alright, all the best. Eight hundred and eighty
Speaker 4: ten eight. We're gonna take a break. Then we're going
Speaker 4: to talk to Jim. If you've got a question, eight
Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Also
Speaker 4: in at around seven thirty this morning, Darren from Metro
Speaker 4: Performance Glass. We're going to talk safety glass, why it's important,
Speaker 4: what it is, how to identify it, like you know,
Speaker 4: if you're unsure as to whether or not you might
Speaker 4: need it or it would be good to have. How
Speaker 4: do you identify safety glass from other glass for example.
Speaker 4: So we'll be talking about that with Darren from Metro
Speaker 4: Performance Class around seven thirty this morning. You're you're the
Speaker 4: new Stalks b Pete wolf Camp resident build up with
Speaker 4: you this morning if you've got a question, Oh, eight
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Speaker 7: Get a Jim good I paid just a quick one
Speaker 7: for you. I've got a hardy plank with a crack
Speaker 7: and it's the bottom plank. The crackers top to bottom,
Speaker 7: about a meter in from the corner. It doesn't seem
Speaker 7: to open or close. It's been there for a year,
Speaker 7: but it's been a puddle to me for all this time.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, sometimes they crack, and it might have
Speaker 4: cracked because of the way it was installed. All those
Speaker 4: years ago and it just happens to have moved now.
Speaker 4: So in typically a small crack like that, you know,
Speaker 4: it might get a little bit of water in there,
Speaker 4: but chances are not that much to cause any issues
Speaker 4: if you're concerned about it standably you are. You know,
Speaker 4: there's there's not a lot that you can use to
Speaker 4: actually adhere or bond to it. But if you wanted to,
Speaker 4: I would. I would sort of send and prep the area,
Speaker 4: clean it up, and if you wanted to do do
Speaker 4: a bead of flexible adhesive sealant. So some seilants have it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they have an adhesive element to them as well, so
Speaker 4: something like fix all right, so yeah, hold fast, fix
Speaker 4: all that'll work really well. I'd put a bead of
Speaker 4: that into it. You know, if you really wanted to,
Speaker 4: you could sort of make the crack slightly bigger if
Speaker 4: you want to, with a sharp knife, and they then
Speaker 4: put a bead of sealant into there and then paint
Speaker 4: over it. The other approach, and I've done this on
Speaker 4: a few houses. Was where they had extensive crack, well
Speaker 4: extensive you know, like twenty or thirty around the entire building.
Speaker 4: Is I actually just had flashings made up, and I
Speaker 4: simply if it's a it's a flat faced weatherboard. I
Speaker 4: simply we had a flashing made up like a soaker,
Speaker 4: and I just put so over the top of them.
Speaker 7: When you make up a fleshing like that, do you
Speaker 7: have a return at the bottom edge of it?
Speaker 4: And so just tucks it. No, I didn't. It didn't
Speaker 4: loop around. So it's just like an L shaped right.
Speaker 4: So it was just a way of putting something over
Speaker 4: the face of the weather board to diflict. Deflict the
Speaker 4: water away from that area and it and you know,
Speaker 4: it just tucks up underneath the other weather board. Doesn't
Speaker 4: have to be a it doesn't have to have an
Speaker 4: L a J like, it doesn't have to have a
Speaker 4: hook at the bottom. It tucks up, just came down
Speaker 4: and then returned back. And that was a kind of
Speaker 4: sensible way of dealing with those. It allowed movement, but
Speaker 4: it just stopped water entering into that gap.
Speaker 7: It's good.
Speaker 4: Yes, a couple of options there, yepkay, right, but don't
Speaker 4: all the best take care okay. By by oh, eight
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call
Speaker 4: if you've got a building question.
Speaker 11: Keith, good morning, Yeah, Hi, pete question is we have
Speaker 11: a old Michelangelo ceiling tiles, yes, in our kitchen dining room,
Speaker 11: and they suffered water damage. I've had quotes to replace
Speaker 11: them or to have the ceilings jibbed YEP. One quote
Speaker 11: is putting batons on and then putting the jib onto
Speaker 11: the batons over the tile, and the other ones just
Speaker 11: jipping straight over the tile. And so I'm wondering which
Speaker 11: is a better option or does it make any difference
Speaker 11: whether you put the batons up or not.
Speaker 4: I suppose that the if they were using, for example,
Speaker 4: Rondo bettons, which are the metal batons right, which are
Speaker 4: part of the jib system, then you know, if there's
Speaker 4: some unevenness in the ceiling, they'd be able to pack
Speaker 4: them down a little bit. So typically, if you watch
Speaker 4: guys putting battening systems nowadays, they'll set up a rotary laser.
Speaker 4: They'll go round, do their perimeter that'll be spot on
Speaker 4: dead level around the building, and then you put your
Speaker 4: batons in and you can adjust them up and down
Speaker 4: with a clip or a packer and then have the
Speaker 4: ceiling absolutely flat, and then you fix your plaster board
Speaker 4: to that. So I guess by doing that you get
Speaker 4: the benefit of it hopefully being dead flat, and as
Speaker 4: long as those clips then have got secure fastening, because
Speaker 4: typically those clips are attached or those batons are attached
Speaker 4: by a clip to the underside of the joist unless
Speaker 4: they're direct fixed right. So the biggest issue with putting
Speaker 4: a new lining underneath an existing one is making sure
Speaker 4: that the fixings are right. So if, for example, the
Speaker 4: contractor decides just to fix the plaster board to the
Speaker 4: underside of the existing Michelangelo tiles, typically the Michelangelo tiles
Speaker 4: are onto like a forty x twenty or a two
Speaker 4: by one baton, which is fixed to the underside of
Speaker 4: the joist, so and they run just Typically they run
Speaker 4: parallel to the longest length of the tile, so the
Speaker 4: tiles are six hundred by three hundred roughly, so along
Speaker 4: those every three hundred millimeters there will be a row
Speaker 4: of batons that the Mchelangelo tiles are fixed to, so
Speaker 4: as long as the contractor is able to screw fix
Speaker 4: into those. The other thing is that if you're direct fixing,
Speaker 4: I just lining straight undneath Angelo tiles. You could put
Speaker 4: some adhesive onto the Michelangelo tiles, but you're only bonding
Speaker 4: them to something that's not particularly well fixed because those
Speaker 4: Michelangelo tiles just go on with a staple, right, So
Speaker 4: what you wouldn't want to do is stick your plasterboard
Speaker 4: to the underside of the Michelangelo and have the whole
Speaker 4: thing come down because it's all all the staples out.
Speaker 4: So you just got to make sure that they're fixing
Speaker 4: all the way through into the timber batons beyond.
Speaker 11: Okay.
Speaker 4: So either way is okay, as long as you know
Speaker 4: what the risks are with both methodologies. Yes, yeah, for me,
Speaker 4: all the best take care. It brings back. I was
Speaker 4: going to say triggering, but that's overused these days. I
Speaker 4: did a garage one time when I was a very
Speaker 4: young chippy. Garage downstairs and so, you know, internal access
Speaker 4: garage that had just been left with the choice, and
Speaker 4: it didn't have a ceiling in it, and the person said,
Speaker 4: we'd like to put a ceiling into it. So and
Speaker 4: I want to use Michelangelo tiles because they're elsewhere in
Speaker 4: the house. It's got to be more than thirty years ago.
Speaker 4: And I got battens tuober one batons and I had
Speaker 4: to nail them into these joys, which were probably twenty
Speaker 4: or thirty years old already. And this was before you
Speaker 4: had nail guns, certainly before you had screw guns and
Speaker 4: all the rest of it. So I don't know a
Speaker 4: day of nailing battens up by hand. It was a
Speaker 4: learning experience. Let's say, into timber that was certainly getting
Speaker 4: pretty hard. Anyway, then you do them, and then you
Speaker 4: go around with the Michlangelo tiles and staple them up. Job.
Speaker 4: Still there still looks okay to be fair. Oh, eight
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call
Speaker 4: Scott a very good morning to you get a Scott.
Speaker 12: Hello, Scott, Hello, Pate.
Speaker 4: How are you get a good thank you? In yourself?
Speaker 12: God? God, I rang you about a year ago about
Speaker 12: a house that my father owns in Hamilton. Yes, that's
Speaker 12: got wooden shingles.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah on the roof, yep.
Speaker 12: Yeah. And we had a we had an estimate to
Speaker 12: fix it.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 12: I couldn't get it. I couldn't get it across the
Speaker 12: line with the family, which was surprising, but anyway, that
Speaker 12: was how it was. And then the carpenter ran away
Speaker 12: because he thought it was too much work. I'm just
Speaker 12: going revisiting that now because we have to get it done. Yep,
Speaker 12: it would need a consent because we've got to change
Speaker 12: the tiling on the road from wooden shingles to ten
Speaker 12: right or does that sound right to you?
Speaker 4: Yes? I would. I would say it triggers the requirement
Speaker 4: for a building consent because it's not maintenance like for like, No.
Speaker 12: That's right. And then so to get a consent, what's
Speaker 12: the best way to do that for a man that's
Speaker 12: not into into the building game himself, but we'll want
Speaker 12: to get.
Speaker 4: It done consents. In order to get a consent, you
Speaker 4: need to set submit a set of plans. You can
Speaker 4: only plans can only be drawn for building consent by
Speaker 4: people who are licensed designers, an LBP designer, which might
Speaker 4: be an architect, might be an architectural designer in some
Speaker 4: cases people who are just LBP designers. So they'll need
Speaker 4: to do a drawing. They'll need to show the methodology
Speaker 4: for it, which I would imagine is going to be
Speaker 4: that you'll remove the existing shingles back down to the plywood.
Speaker 4: Then you're going to have to know.
Speaker 12: It's it's done on battons, yes, no, yes, battens with
Speaker 12: building paper and then and then good rafters, and all
Speaker 12: the rafters all within the code. But the batons and
Speaker 12: the battons. There's heaps of battons and it's all pretty pretty,
Speaker 12: pretty dry and good up in there. Yeah, you said
Speaker 12: you have to put extra baton in here, a little
Speaker 12: bit more than there to get to the code.
Speaker 4: No, I think what you'll find is that the batons
Speaker 4: will not meet the requirements of the building Code. So
Speaker 4: typically pearlins.
Speaker 12: You have to put the extra peerlins and then extra
Speaker 12: bits of what thens can stay there, but you have
Speaker 12: to beef it all up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, so you basically ignore the existing batons.
Speaker 4: You do you repearl in the roof, you'll have to
Speaker 4: redo all of the valleys to allow for you know, yeah,
Speaker 4: you'll end up read doing the valleys, probably doing all
Speaker 4: the perlins, which will probably mean that you have to
Speaker 4: end up right raising the facia and bargeboards around the
Speaker 4: building as well. Then you can do your new roofing
Speaker 4: with a roofing underlay, and you probably end up having
Speaker 4: to lift up all of your spouting as well, because
Speaker 4: you'll find that your roof now will be considerably higher
Speaker 4: than where it was and that the water will just
Speaker 4: shoot over the top of your spouting. If you don't
Speaker 4: address the spouting at the same time.
Speaker 12: That's why spout all the spout is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it needs to be replaced anywhere.
Speaker 12: Yeah yeah, right right round most of the roof that
Speaker 12: like a a baranda like it flattens out for averend rover.
Speaker 12: Hang gotcha, Yeah, it's not. It's not a bulldoze. It's
Speaker 12: not a bull nose one, the flat one and so
Speaker 12: that that then they talked about they're lifting out the
Speaker 12: changing there, but that's all it always think get changed
Speaker 12: anyway back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's it's going to be a recently
Speaker 4: significant job. By the time you remove the tiles, adding
Speaker 4: the new perlins, put the iron on, it'll need to
Speaker 4: have edge protection or scaffolding all the way around it.
Speaker 4: You need to have an inspection. Possibly counsel might ask
Speaker 4: you to look at the fixings of the rafters to
Speaker 4: the top plate and just ensure that they comply with
Speaker 4: the code. The other thing is it is it going
Speaker 4: to be an opportunity for you to check the insulation
Speaker 4: that might be in the ceiling space as well, that
Speaker 4: that possibly has been inaccessible or.
Speaker 12: That's beauty of that's the beauty. That's got a huge
Speaker 12: it's got a huge open ceiling space.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's cool.
Speaker 12: That's probably twelve foot high. You know, down slopes down obviously,
Speaker 12: but it's very easy accessible, and it heats up and
Speaker 12: drives out and does all that sort of stuff. What
Speaker 12: you've probably put new pink bats and while you're there
Speaker 12: and get little sort of you Okay, well you a
Speaker 12: new new new not building payment, but the new type
Speaker 12: of building paper would god in the tone, wouldn't they?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you could make it much better as well
Speaker 4: by introducing cavity and ventilation and and so on into
Speaker 4: the roof space. But I also don't want to make
Speaker 4: it way more complicated than it needs to be. Although
Speaker 4: there are some benefits to that, so I'm telling you
Speaker 4: that there are also some there's some new thinking about
Speaker 4: how we construct our roofs to make them even more efficient,
Speaker 4: let's say, And you might want to look at some
Speaker 4: of that, but look, it's all going to need a consent.
Speaker 4: And in order to get a consent, you need to
Speaker 4: have someone draw you a set of plans.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and that's a that's an LBP designer or architect type.
Speaker 4: Yes, So typically people who are architects or architectural designers
Speaker 4: in New Zealand pretty much automatic. We are registered as lbps.
Speaker 4: There are a small number of people that have LBP
Speaker 4: design licenses who may not be either an architect or
Speaker 4: an architectural designer, but either way, the only people that
Speaker 4: are allowed to submit plans now for a building content
Speaker 4: are those who have those licenses.
Speaker 12: Cool. And then so if you had the plan, if
Speaker 12: you could find your original plans for the house, that
Speaker 12: would be great.
Speaker 4: Yes, that will save a lot of time.
Speaker 12: Would they be sitting in council if you did a
Speaker 12: LIMB report.
Speaker 4: You won't get them for a LIMB report, but you
Speaker 4: can ask for the property file from council and that
Speaker 4: will have all of the information that council have. And
Speaker 4: more and more councils have moved to digitize all of
Speaker 4: their records so it becomes a slightly more straightforward process.
Speaker 4: Now it might cost about seventy hour dollars to request
Speaker 4: that from the council, but it's very worthwhile. Yeah, there's
Speaker 4: a lot of money when Yeah it does.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, because my father got the house built
Speaker 12: like way back, so yes, plans has plans that relate
Speaker 12: to that house.
Speaker 4: So so yeah, and I don't know whether in your
Speaker 4: own sort of archives you've got the original copies of
Speaker 4: the building consent. If you do that, it's great, I
Speaker 4: don't need to eat.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Look, most of the time, chances of finding that not
Speaker 4: that not that easy.
Speaker 12: Often no, but the propertly fathers the high chance that
Speaker 12: they'll be in there, won't they.
Speaker 4: Yes, if it's been submitted for a building consent, then
Speaker 4: council should have it and hopefully by now they've digitized it.
Speaker 4: So that's where you go to. Good luck with the process.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, mate, all the very best to you.
Speaker 4: You take care, see Scott you and news Talk said
Speaker 4: b if you've got a question of a building nature,
Speaker 4: you can call us right now, oh eight hundred and
Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty. In a couple of minutes, we're going
Speaker 4: to be joined by Darren Valentine from Metro Performance Class
Speaker 4: from part of the Red Trofit division talking about safety
Speaker 4: glass in what it is in whits And and so
Speaker 4: we'll be doing that in just to my first up
Speaker 4: quick call from you, Mike, how are you.
Speaker 12: Hey?
Speaker 13: Thanks, I've written down the question. So we're consideringly purchasing
Speaker 13: a property built in the nineteen sixties, but in nineteen
Speaker 13: ninety three, a double garage and entry entry way extension
Speaker 13: including a significant still being it was installed. It's got
Speaker 13: building consent record on the limb, but it doesn't have
Speaker 13: the CCC sign off. It seems that wasn't so unusual
Speaker 13: about the time, because they changed the permits to consents
Speaker 13: in ninety two. We've got a recent engineers report that
Speaker 13: indicates the work appairs to have been completed to the
Speaker 13: plans and therefore to consent standard, and a final inspection
Speaker 13: is booked with the council, but they probably won't do
Speaker 13: it in person until before the action takes place. We do,
Speaker 13: but we do believe that there are sufficient standards and
Speaker 13: plates for them to be able to approve of CCC.
Speaker 13: But this record check won't be done before the option.
Speaker 13: So how much risk will we be taking with it?
Speaker 4: You're the potential purchaser of the property, correct, And it's
Speaker 4: hard with options because you can't put conditions in. Can
Speaker 4: you like if it was a you know, by by
Speaker 4: agreement or by negotiation, you could add in a condition
Speaker 4: to your sale and purchase agreement whereby the we will
Speaker 4: proceed with settlement on the basis that the vendor achieves
Speaker 4: CCC or a CoA Certificate of acceptance, but you can't
Speaker 4: do that with an option.
Speaker 13: Yes, we understand. So the engineer's report indicates the work
Speaker 13: appears to have conclude the plan sure to standard and
Speaker 13: he seems to be he's been for a previous inspection,
Speaker 13: but he'd have to write it all up and all
Speaker 13: the rest of it. So it's about it's about getting
Speaker 13: a c CC or equivalency to give yourself to Surety.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in recent experience in this area, would would make
Speaker 4: me cautious, just in terms of feeling confident that if
Speaker 4: you all of the evidence to counsel or counsel will
Speaker 4: then issue you with either a CCC, which I think
Speaker 4: is probably a bit unlikely because that it's going back
Speaker 4: a while, they'll have some concerns around it. There's the
Speaker 4: possibility that the inspector when they finally get to the
Speaker 4: site will find other things that you may not be
Speaker 4: aware of that they will then add into you know,
Speaker 4: they might fail a final inspection because they've seen something
Speaker 4: else that you haven't identified, in which case you've got
Speaker 4: more problems to deal with. And also it still might
Speaker 4: be quite a process in order to achieve either a CCC.
Speaker 4: So look, I can't give you specific advice on this,
Speaker 4: but you can hear in my voice I am quite
Speaker 4: cautious around these things. Now it is not as straightforward
Speaker 4: as it used to be, if it ever was.
Speaker 13: The biggest implications.
Speaker 4: I guess, like you know, lots and lots of properties
Speaker 4: get sold across the country all of the time without
Speaker 4: having you know, buildings that don't have CCC right or
Speaker 4: have have work that hasn't been signed off. The biggest
Speaker 4: issue becomes sometimes insurance. So if you are open and
Speaker 4: transparent with your insurer and say to them it doesn't
Speaker 4: have either a CCC or a CoA, they may have
Speaker 4: some reluctance to ensure. Reluctance to ensure also means that
Speaker 4: finances is challenging. So I've heard that those things are
Speaker 4: starting to happen and are more commonplace. And also it
Speaker 4: ends up leaving you in the position of the current vendor,
Speaker 4: which is, should you put the property back on the
Speaker 4: market and you haven't resolved all of these issues, you
Speaker 4: then have you know, there is the reluctance from the
Speaker 4: next purchaser to purchase your property because of it. So
Speaker 4: though those tend to be beguition.
Speaker 13: So so that makes entire stents and just a really
Speaker 13: quick followup question, if you decide to rectify or get
Speaker 13: it to a standard ie expos everything, you know, do
Speaker 13: some more work or whatever it is in your experience,
Speaker 13: has that always required going back almost a start state
Speaker 13: or are there things that you can do kind of
Speaker 13: trans three between to allow you to get it to
Speaker 13: a standard by where actually you get the consent or
Speaker 13: get a consent, do you have to actually go back
Speaker 13: to start state?
Speaker 4: Or when you say start state, isn't like strip all
Speaker 4: the lining off and all the rest of it. No,
Speaker 4: that would be really unusual, to be fair, But it
Speaker 4: does pay in this instance to get some really good
Speaker 4: advice and have someone argue for you. So, whether that's
Speaker 4: the engineer that you've engaged, whether it's going to a
Speaker 4: registered building survey, someone like that who understands the law
Speaker 4: and can push back sometimes on council. You know, I
Speaker 4: think that would be money well spent for you if
Speaker 4: you're going to argue it. But again, you know what
Speaker 4: you're talking about now is more risk in the in
Speaker 4: the purchase and then potentially expenditure that you might not
Speaker 4: have been expecting going forward all right, Hey, good luck
Speaker 4: with it all, all right, thank you very much. Yeah,
Speaker 4: take care. I just wonder whether the issue is actually
Speaker 4: around having to purchase at auction by negotiation, you could
Speaker 4: add in a whole bunch of other conditions, interesting one,
Speaker 4: fascinating one, fascinating one. Just before we talk to Darren,
Speaker 4: who's waiting on the line. Pete loved the show, Thank
Speaker 4: you very much. Curious questions. What's happening to the blockhouses
Speaker 4: intended for this year's canceled series? Christine, very good point.
Speaker 4: They will go on the market. I think guys are
Speaker 4: finishing them fairly soon as it happens. Oh eight, one
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Speaker 4: We'll take your calls shortly. But right now, it is
Speaker 4: my great pleasure to welcome to the show for the
Speaker 4: first time, actually, Darren Valentine from the good people at
Speaker 4: Metro Performance Glass A very good morning to you, Darren.
Speaker 5: How are you hi, Peter, I'm well.
Speaker 2: I hope you are too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, and thanks for jumping in so really
Speaker 4: appreciate it. Love the connection that we have with Metro.
Speaker 4: And I was going to sort of frame part of
Speaker 4: this discussion with a memory that doesn't leave me, which
Speaker 4: was when we were at school, which was back in
Speaker 4: the eighties, and there was a bunch of us rough
Speaker 4: housing and running around and that sort of thing. And
Speaker 4: one of the guys was chasing another guy and he
Speaker 4: chased him through the doors to the gym and it
Speaker 4: was a swinging door and it swung back and he
Speaker 4: put his hands up and he went straight through the
Speaker 4: glass right and it chattered into really sharp shards. And
Speaker 4: then when he freaked out and pulled his arms back,
Speaker 4: he did quite a bit of damage. And I guess
Speaker 4: looking at that, and I've always gone back to that
Speaker 4: whenever people go why do I need safety glass? And
Speaker 4: I go, that's why you need safety glass. So tell
Speaker 4: us a little bit more about what safety glasses and
Speaker 4: why it's so important.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, I mean in a residential building in New Zealand,
Speaker 2: there's two main types of safety glass used. There's tempered
Speaker 2: or tough and glass. And that glass is put through
Speaker 2: a furnace. It's seated up to a very high temperature
Speaker 2: then suddenly cooled and that process does two things festival
Speaker 2: and actually makes that glass around about four to five
Speaker 2: times stronger than the glass that went into the furnace, yes,
Speaker 2: but most importantly exactly what you were talking about, and
Speaker 2: those of us of a certain vintage who remember those,
Speaker 2: I'm glad you're sort of around that. But when that
Speaker 2: tough and glass breaks, it breaks into fragments rather than
Speaker 2: shards and makes a chance of any serious injury.
Speaker 8: Very low.
Speaker 2: And I don't know again, going back ortage, you dropped
Speaker 2: an rock cup on the hard surface, it shattered into
Speaker 2: all these little fragments. That's what you're looking at. Was
Speaker 2: tempered or tough glass.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: The other one that tip we get used is laminate.
Speaker 2: Tends to get used of people wanting to cut down
Speaker 2: on a bit of laminate coming up laminate a bit
Speaker 2: of you coming through their windows or acoustic and so
Speaker 2: what that is. That's two bits of glass with a
Speaker 2: soft interlade they're bonded onto. It still breaks into those
Speaker 2: shards that you mentioned earlier on but then hold talk
Speaker 2: together as one panel and again doesn't do the damage
Speaker 2: that standard glass does.
Speaker 4: Right, which might be a little bit more like windscreen
Speaker 4: glass for example.
Speaker 12: Correct.
Speaker 2: Yes, So again one of the advantages for that is
Speaker 2: something goes through your windscreen, then you don't have a
Speaker 2: whole lot of glass flying in your face.
Speaker 5: Now it does make it hard to see though.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely so. In terms of like there are a
Speaker 4: number of requirements within New Zealand standards within building code
Speaker 4: around where you need safety glass, and it does get
Speaker 4: reasonably complex for homeowners. What's the best process in terms
Speaker 4: of understanding where I need it and where do I
Speaker 4: get advice on where I need it?
Speaker 2: It depends on the level of the information you need.
Speaker 2: Let's you're just wanting someone to actually do it on
Speaker 2: an auto pilot for you. So if you're doing a
Speaker 2: retrofit and the lights does, consults can certainly help out
Speaker 2: there a lot. They know where because that's actable, so
Speaker 2: they were glass and safety glass needs to go. Also
Speaker 2: they know bit more sources of information. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 2: your body, it's wagging and that's a putong. The website
Speaker 2: that you can go through our answers all sense point
Speaker 2: true and it's actually a document's to downlow. So depending
Speaker 2: on you.
Speaker 4: Tweeting Darren, I tell you what can I just ask
Speaker 4: you to hold for a moment where I'm starting to
Speaker 4: have some issues in terms of the connection. We're going
Speaker 4: to just pop you back on hold. We're going to
Speaker 4: play the break and we'll try and get you back
Speaker 4: on a new line in just a second. Hold on there,
Speaker 4: Radio Darren from Metro Performance Glass is with us this morning.
Speaker 4: Thanks very much for holding on. We just want to
Speaker 4: try and change something there. Hey, just just going back
Speaker 4: to the safety glass. Like for most of us, I
Speaker 4: think we understand that there's really really important areas where
Speaker 4: it should be used, for example, shower screens, you know,
Speaker 4: large panels, indoors. Again going back to my earlier story,
Speaker 4: those sorts of things. How do we know that we've
Speaker 4: got safety glass.
Speaker 2: Well, safety glass must have a safety stamp on it,
Speaker 2: so and not a branding stamp. So sometimes you will
Speaker 2: see that someone puts their brand name on the glass.
Speaker 2: That that is not a safety stamp. Okay, yeah, so
Speaker 2: safety stamp and generally what you'll see on that is
Speaker 2: it needs to have the name of the company or
Speaker 2: a register, the number of the producer of the glass. Yes,
Speaker 2: the type of safety glass that's there. For example, our
Speaker 2: tempered glass is temper float and our laminated glass would
Speaker 2: have safe light on it. And then what you're also
Speaker 2: looking for is the standard that it conforms too, which
Speaker 2: in New Zealand is as n Z S two two eight.
Speaker 2: And sometimes you'll also see the grade of the typically
Speaker 2: there's two grades used in New Zealand. And in your home,
Speaker 2: you're looking for grade A safety glass on that safety stamp.
Speaker 4: Right, And because this is often the sort of thing
Speaker 4: that inspectors will look forward a final inspection. So if
Speaker 4: some re in your contract that hasn't installed it, hopefully
Speaker 4: it'll get packed up at final inspection. But you know, again,
Speaker 4: I you know, we often get fixated with the rules
Speaker 4: and the regulations and I come back to the practicality,
Speaker 4: which is, you know, the last thing we want is
Speaker 4: that like that incident that I described or and I've
Speaker 4: seen it, you know, with young children for example, charging
Speaker 4: around the house hitting a ranch slider thinking that the
Speaker 4: door is open when in fact it's closed, and running
Speaker 4: into it. You know that those sorts of issues or
Speaker 4: those sorts of events happen, and that's why we've got
Speaker 4: safety glass. That's why it's so important. Yes, the other
Speaker 4: thing I just wanted to chat with you in terms of,
Speaker 4: like you know, working with glasses is can be hazardous, right,
Speaker 4: and so the people that you're working with is that's
Speaker 4: really important that you're confident that they're managing all of
Speaker 4: those hazards. So if you're talking about safe people in
Speaker 4: terms of teams and supervisors, what's the process for you guys.
Speaker 2: Sure, Well, the first thing we know is that we're
Speaker 2: in your home, and your home is your sanctuary, so
Speaker 2: we've got to operate very safely. The first thing you
Speaker 2: should do is that there's planning that needs to go
Speaker 2: into it. You don't just walk up and start replacing glass.
Speaker 2: So we isolate the workspaces, We plan and work, and
Speaker 2: communicate with the homeowner and tell them, look, we're going
Speaker 2: to be working in that area for this long. We
Speaker 2: will need that separated off, as they say, specially if
Speaker 2: there's children around when they first walk up, you want
Speaker 2: to make sure that when they start working with the
Speaker 2: glass that they've got proper ppe on it. I send
Speaker 2: shivers down my spine when I don't see people that
Speaker 2: are handling glass wearing cut resistant gloves, gauntlets, even shorts.
Speaker 2: You know, if glass breaks sharp, you really want to
Speaker 2: protect yourself and that gives you good indicators of the
Speaker 2: people that are working there. If they're actually cuttered up properly,
Speaker 2: then you also want to see how they're behaving in
Speaker 2: terms of all the rubbers should be removed immediately, especially
Speaker 2: if there's sharp objects involved or potentially hazardous materials. And
Speaker 2: then you know, do they actually work clean and tiding
Speaker 2: so And the final thing is even the equipment they're using.
Speaker 2: If you're seeing they're pulling out old leads with cuts
Speaker 2: in them, everything should be test and tag in near
Speaker 2: new condition. If they're climbing up on ladders, what the
Speaker 2: condition of their leaders? Are they rushing that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: It's the things that you'd normally look for anyway. And
Speaker 2: the only thing that is then added is that how
Speaker 2: they actually kick themselves out, because the last thing anyone
Speaker 2: wants on a site is either one of their loved
Speaker 2: ones getting hurt or having to deal with an emergency
Speaker 2: on the site.
Speaker 4: And I guess you know this is the difference between
Speaker 4: let's say smaller or more informal operations in a larger
Speaker 4: organization that has that training in places those you know,
Speaker 4: has someone who's looking at what they do, reviewing it,
Speaker 4: testing it, talking about constant improvement. Those sorts of things
Speaker 4: are really important.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Hey, I'm just curious too because people will be
Speaker 4: listening to this going, yeah, I understand the gloves and
Speaker 4: da da da da. What's a gauntlet?
Speaker 12: Oh?
Speaker 2: Sorry?
Speaker 12: If fair?
Speaker 2: So, it's a piece of equipment that is cut resistant
Speaker 2: that goes from basically the wrist area where all your
Speaker 2: arteries are, so it's a really important piece of and
Speaker 2: it goes up to the elbow. So if the glass
Speaker 2: unexpectedly breaks quite often the way that you carry glass,
Speaker 2: the first place one of those shards of glass is
Speaker 2: going to go is into that nice soft part in
Speaker 2: your arm. Well, that gauntlet is a piece of protective
Speaker 2: equipment that's worn that just keeps it so if you
Speaker 2: see someone with short sleeves and the bare arm again,
Speaker 2: and there have been some horrific things even on video
Speaker 2: where someone's working with it, and that's what that piece
Speaker 2: of equipment avoids.
Speaker 4: Yeah. The other thing too, just in terms of the
Speaker 4: retrofit space, So if there's a requirement to have safety
Speaker 4: glass as part of a retro double glazing, that's possible.
Speaker 2: Sorry, what was just christ In.
Speaker 4: Terms of like you know, we're often we're talking on
Speaker 4: this show about retrofit double glazing, right, Yes, so if
Speaker 4: we're doing a retrofit, we've ordered a DG unit, but
Speaker 4: there's a requirement to have safety glass as part of
Speaker 4: the standards. That's achievable in retrofit as well, isn't it.
Speaker 12: Oh?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And the should form an important part of the
Speaker 2: conversation and be you know, again, we like to keep
Speaker 2: the homeowner informed because again it's this invisible threat that's
Speaker 2: in the home that our objective when we walk away
Speaker 2: from the job is that the people can enjoy the
Speaker 2: end result without risk or fear of something not being safe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's what ultimately it's all about. Hey, Deren,
Speaker 4: thank you very much for your time. Really informative and
Speaker 4: good to get that information. And again, you know, you
Speaker 4: and I probably have that vintage where we can remember
Speaker 4: what it was like when there wasn't a lot of
Speaker 4: safety glass around, and I think we've all got a
Speaker 4: picture in our head of what happens when it's not
Speaker 4: there and it ain't pretty.
Speaker 2: I can tell you that it's been an absolute pleasure
Speaker 2: talking to you.
Speaker 4: Nice to talk to you too. Take care, all the best,
Speaker 4: all the best, Darren Darrel see eight hundred eighty ten eighty,
Speaker 4: will continue taking your calls. And I just on the
Speaker 4: safety glass and I told that story just the beginning
Speaker 4: of that that chat with Darren. I remember we were
Speaker 4: was at school. We're charging around and a guy the
Speaker 4: door was swinging back. It was an aluminium door with
Speaker 4: glass panels in it, and he put his arms up
Speaker 4: to stop the door swinging back because he was intent
Speaker 4: on catching the guy that had obviously upset him. Put
Speaker 4: his his arms up and that just went straight through
Speaker 4: the panels of the upper you know, there's a lower panel,
Speaker 4: and then a top panel went straight through shattered or
Speaker 4: broke into shards. And then I think you know that
Speaker 4: it was the panic of criky. I've just put my
Speaker 4: arms through the or and then pulled back, and it
Speaker 4: was the pulling back that caused the injuries. That's why
Speaker 4: we've got safety glass. That's why it's so important, and
Speaker 4: that's why council inspectors at final inspection where it's required,
Speaker 4: they should be seeing that stamp on the glass where
Speaker 4: it's actually laser etched into the glass. You can't remove it.
Speaker 4: It shouldn't be a sticker. We're going to talk more
Speaker 4: about buildings straight after the news, sport and weather and
Speaker 4: recycling fabrics. Well, a very good morning, welcome back to
Speaker 4: the program. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty will
Speaker 4: take building questions right through to eight thirty. Then of
Speaker 4: course we're into the garden with the inimitable red climb
Speaker 4: pasted with us from eight thirty this morning, going to
Speaker 4: be having a chat with Tim from Retext. Check it
Speaker 4: out online. Actually do that right now, just type in
Speaker 4: retext r e t ex dot co dot nz Hang
Speaker 4: and I bought it up as well. This was a
Speaker 4: company that I bumped into timid an event and then
Speaker 4: looked at what they do in terms of recycling textiles,
Speaker 4: and I was app fascinated. They also end up recycling
Speaker 4: textiles into like you know, protective layers for builds. So
Speaker 4: typically if you're doing a build and you've laid a
Speaker 4: new floor, you'll go and get some card water, you'll
Speaker 4: get some other bits and pieces. Now you can use
Speaker 4: recycled textile. Anyway, more on that shortly, but I was
Speaker 4: fascinated by it, and in terms of, you know, the
Speaker 4: sort of the space that I'm operating and where I'm
Speaker 4: doing some work around construction waste and waste minimization and
Speaker 4: promoting resource recovery and those sorts of things. To see
Speaker 4: what happens to textile is really really important because we
Speaker 4: might put it into a recycling bit and then you
Speaker 4: wonder what happens to it. Well, I'll tell you all
Speaker 4: about that in just a moment. Warreick, good morning to you.
Speaker 14: Good morning. I've got a bit of a problem with
Speaker 14: a concrete internal foundation that is showing signs of crumbling
Speaker 14: away with that quite evervescent stuff around the edge of it,
Speaker 14: and the concrete just crumbles to a powder yep. And
Speaker 14: I listened to your program some time ago, and I
Speaker 14: remember you discussing it with someone and there was a
Speaker 14: treatment you could use.
Speaker 4: If we were talking about moisture in Greece, then there
Speaker 4: are some treatments that will help resist moisture migrating through
Speaker 4: the block.
Speaker 14: Will it's an internal foundation inside the house and it's supporting.
Speaker 14: It's under a supporting foundation on the wall for a
Speaker 14: second level.
Speaker 4: Right, do you think that the crumbling is to the
Speaker 4: extent where it would cause instability.
Speaker 14: Well, it's covering. It gone back an area and the
Speaker 14: foundation of about seven hundred I suppose from a doorway,
Speaker 14: and it's worked its way back about probably about seven
Speaker 14: hundred and it hasn't stopped. So it's a slow process,
Speaker 14: but it is happening.
Speaker 4: And when you say it hasn't stopped. It's the presence
Speaker 4: of the efforescence that you're seeing that white powder on
Speaker 4: the block on the concrete work. Or is it actually
Speaker 4: you know it's it's actually crumbling and falling away.
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's actually crumbling and falling away.
Speaker 4: To what extent, like just the surface or all the
Speaker 4: way through.
Speaker 14: No, this is probably getting onto wood halfway through the
Speaker 14: foundation itself.
Speaker 5: Hm.
Speaker 4: And do you think you know, realistically, given what you
Speaker 4: can see, that there's risk of it becoming unstable and
Speaker 4: no longer offering up any support like it's intended.
Speaker 14: To do well, that that is potentially a problem. Yes,
Speaker 14: it could if it keeps If it keeps going.
Speaker 4: I suppose there's two things. One is what's causing it,
Speaker 4: because generally these things shouldn't happen right now unless you're
Speaker 4: getting and typically if you do have a sho is
Speaker 4: with the durability of concrete, it's around moisture. So is
Speaker 4: there excessive.
Speaker 14: Didn't they mention? Or I think you mean someone mentioned
Speaker 14: salts in the concrete in the mix.
Speaker 4: That relates to the efflorescence, right, So it's salts that
Speaker 4: are often you know, we use sand, right, and unless
Speaker 4: the sand is completely and utterly cleansed of any salt
Speaker 4: that might be there. You might see it appear over time,
Speaker 4: whether or not it then goes on to cause concrete decay.
Speaker 4: You'd want to go and talk to an engineer about that. Look,
Speaker 4: I if you know, it sounds like you've got some
Speaker 4: genuine concerns and have good reason for that. I wonder
Speaker 4: whether approaching a structural engineer to come and determine it,
Speaker 4: and then getting advice from them as to what remediation. Now,
Speaker 4: it might be a case of actually sort of cleaning
Speaker 4: the area, boxing out around it and pouring a foundation
Speaker 4: around it to offer up some support. It might be
Speaker 4: that you need to prop part of the building, remove
Speaker 4: it and replace, but I'd get guidance from a structural
Speaker 4: engineer on that.
Speaker 14: Thank you very much.
Speaker 4: All right, all the very best to you. Take care
Speaker 4: and look, it's quite potentially, you know, it's quite possible
Speaker 4: that the engineer will look at it and go, Okay,
Speaker 4: it's happening, but it's unlikely to cause any issues with stability.
Speaker 4: We'll just leave alone, or we'll just treat it as
Speaker 4: it is and hope that it stops, in which case
Speaker 4: it probably will be a treatment to prevent that moisture,
Speaker 4: ingress and therefore essence righty Oh. Now, I went out
Speaker 4: to meet Tim at Retexts a couple of probably a
Speaker 4: month ago now, and I had to wander around, and
Speaker 4: to be fair, I saw a whole lot of stuff
Speaker 4: that I've never ever seen in my life. Tim, thank
Speaker 4: you very much for joining us this morning on the program.
Speaker 15: Thanks thankfully.
Speaker 4: I'm true, it's a pleasure. So just just quickly, retext
Speaker 4: is a manufactured it's a factory where textiles. Now, actually,
Speaker 4: let's start with the basics. When you say textile, what's
Speaker 4: a textile that can be recycled?
Speaker 15: Okay, so just quickly, if I just go back a
Speaker 15: se so retext is a brand. Yes, Textile Products is
Speaker 15: the manufacturer of retext gotcha. So just a little bit
Speaker 15: of background. Textile Products have been recycling and manufacturing and
Speaker 15: ZOM for about the past sixty years, basically committed to
Speaker 15: transforming textile waste, so things like waste wool, wool uniforms, closing,
Speaker 15: polyester insulation, acoustic insulation offcuts into valuable, endless recyclable products. Essentially, yeah,
Speaker 15: to provide sustainable solutions so those products can keep coming
Speaker 15: back to textile products and get it remade just like retext.
Speaker 5: Right, so when people use retext.
Speaker 15: They can use it once, twice, three, four, or five times.
Speaker 15: That has a value proposition, and when they're finished with it,
Speaker 15: they can return it to where they bought it from.
Speaker 15: We pick it up, take it back to the factory,
Speaker 15: back to textile products, and only hunger and remake it
Speaker 15: into retext or other products.
Speaker 9: Yeah, because I'm.
Speaker 4: Thinking, you know, if you think about all of the
Speaker 4: textiles that might be in our lives, and sometimes at
Speaker 4: the time of manufacture, if you've got a roll of
Speaker 4: fabric and you're cutting out T shirts, right, you're going
Speaker 4: to have offcuts and where do they go? So that's
Speaker 4: it's that, it's carpets, it's it's just it's important.
Speaker 15: Yeah, uniforms, carpet, woolen carpets. Yeah, pretty much, anything that
Speaker 15: doesn't have a chemical kind of element to it, right,
Speaker 15: we can deal with. I mean, we're just recently we're
Speaker 15: talking to a film studio about the green and the
Speaker 15: blue screen carpets, looking at recycling those, yeah, and turning
Speaker 15: them back into something they could use back on the
Speaker 15: film set. So yeah, things like that. We do get
Speaker 15: a lot of uniforms from companies and those will get
Speaker 15: process through and made into retext. But we make other products,
Speaker 15: we make whole esteration. We may remove all blankets under
Speaker 15: as wadding, geotextiles, so weed matt yes, erosion control, mating,
Speaker 15: but again all fully recyclable and by it agradable, so
Speaker 15: you know, not leaching plastics and such like out into
Speaker 15: the into the environment.
Speaker 4: And I'm intrigued by that comment that you make around
Speaker 4: is endlessly recyclable. Right. So let's say, because one of
Speaker 4: the things that caught my eye to be fair, was
Speaker 4: that you do essentially flooring protection, right, which over the years,
Speaker 4: you know, I've seen a number of products there and
Speaker 4: typically when we're finished using them, we roll them up
Speaker 4: and they go in the bin, right, and they go
Speaker 4: to landfill. So yours is slightly different, that's right.
Speaker 15: So with retex, because of the durability of the product,
Speaker 15: you can use it, as I said, you know, four
Speaker 15: or five times, and it can be used a side
Speaker 15: or outside. So that's the value proposition. But when you
Speaker 15: are finished with it, it does have a home to
Speaker 15: come back to, so it doesn't need to go into
Speaker 15: the skit. So what I say to people is look,
Speaker 15: we'll do our bit by recycling it and providing an
Speaker 15: easy access for it to come back to textile products. Yes,
Speaker 15: the merchants, So the building merchants, you know, we are
Speaker 15: top sort of four or five building merchants of stocking
Speaker 15: and have access to retext through our distributed easy access
Speaker 15: and so you can return it there if you want,
Speaker 15: and we pick it up. There's no charge to anyone.
Speaker 15: So we've taken away all the barriers and that comes
Speaker 15: back to textile products and we remake it back into retext.
Speaker 15: So if everyone does the advert, then it shouldn't end
Speaker 15: up in landfill. And just to give your listeners some context,
Speaker 15: we process thirty five tons a week of textile waste
Speaker 15: and turn it into products that people in the building
Speaker 15: industry other industries use every day. And that's drop in
Speaker 15: the bucket. There's one hundred and eighty thousand tons of
Speaker 15: texile waste goes to landfill. And you every year.
Speaker 4: In these numbers when you start looking into waste and
Speaker 4: trying to do something around waste minimization, and you look
Speaker 4: at the scale of the challenge, you know, and I
Speaker 4: keep saying to people, you know, what, we've got to
Speaker 4: realize is that construction in Auckland anyway contributes about fifty
Speaker 4: percent of the volume of material going to landfill.
Speaker 12: Right.
Speaker 4: We are a shockingly wasteful industry. So I just look
Speaker 4: at something an initiative like this and the work that
Speaker 4: you've been doing for all of these years and go, actually,
Speaker 4: this is great. And also I think too sometimes we
Speaker 4: as consumers or as the producers of waste material, we
Speaker 4: feel that there's not a pathway for it that you know,
Speaker 4: people talk about greenwashing or they talk about stuff that
Speaker 4: theoretically goes through recycling, but it doesn't. Actually it just
Speaker 4: goes straight to landfall. But you know, this is where
Speaker 4: I was excited to see what you're doing, which is
Speaker 4: we're taking this material, we're taking these textiles, and we're
Speaker 4: making a product that is then infinitely recyclable. That's correct,
Speaker 4: and we've got a pathway.
Speaker 15: So that's that's the key, right. But it's not just
Speaker 15: the fact that it's going to landfill. It's the carbon footprint.
Speaker 5: Of getting it to the landfil yes.
Speaker 15: Backwards and forwards, backwards and forwards. So whilst there is
Speaker 15: some carbon footprint and us picking up textile ways, it's
Speaker 15: a lot better than it's just steaming up in the dump.
Speaker 4: Well, particularly that in what you've set up, you've also
Speaker 4: got this pathway where people, once you've used the product
Speaker 4: can return it right, so it's it's not a difficult
Speaker 4: process to then ensure that you know you're doing the
Speaker 4: right thing, which is if you're using a recycled product
Speaker 4: that when you've finished with it, it can be recyclable
Speaker 4: and here's the pathway for it. That's I think it's
Speaker 4: exciting to really appreciate you spending a bit of time
Speaker 4: with us this morning. I would encourage you to go
Speaker 4: and check it out. I just found it absolutely fascinating,
Speaker 4: So have a look at retext dot co dot nz
Speaker 4: and if you yeah.
Speaker 9: Also great work.
Speaker 15: Also if the listeners want to get the whole product
Speaker 15: range and they can't find it on our website, they
Speaker 15: can go to easy Access yep. So they are our distributors.
Speaker 15: So they're the premium wholesaler of high access solutions in
Speaker 15: New Zealand or made in Mango Toroedo like us a
Speaker 15: family business. We've partnered that with Easy Access and they've
Speaker 15: been fantastic managed to get us into those building merchants
Speaker 15: and that's the key, right because it's getting the reach
Speaker 15: and the eyeballs on the product and people go oh
Speaker 15: okay cool, and I can chuck my high vision the
Speaker 15: bin hair, yeah, clothing, my old uniform, it'll go back
Speaker 15: to textile. It'll make a product that I'll use on site,
Speaker 15: whether you're renovating or a new build.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Look, I think it's exciting. Really appreciate your time, Tom,
Speaker 4: and we'll catch up against all the best mate, take
Speaker 4: care bothering into him. Oh karaky, troubles arrived, folks. I'd
Speaker 4: forgotten all about this, to be fair, but when he
Speaker 4: signed off last week said hey, I'll see you next week,
Speaker 4: and to be fair, I've completely forgotten. But there he is,
Speaker 4: lurking on the other side of the glass. It's going
Speaker 4: to be some fun today. We're going to take a
Speaker 4: short break. We'll be back in a moment with Gail.
Speaker 4: If you'd like to talk to Rude from eight thirty,
Speaker 4: you can call us on eight hundred and eighty eight. Well,
Speaker 4: it's going to be lovely having Red in the studio.
Speaker 4: He's ready to go at eight thirty. But right now, Gail,
Speaker 4: a very good morning to you.
Speaker 16: Good morning, Pete. Hi, there we have a problem around
Speaker 16: our swimming pool. It got bricktailing certain concrete, but the
Speaker 16: grouting has sort of load and the edges are quite sharp.
Speaker 16: We wondered, could we get grouting pushed all over the
Speaker 16: whole thing and then somehow get it all for bread
Speaker 16: or there was another way of doing it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean if the grout, you know, let's say
Speaker 4: the grout is settled or it's moved or something like that,
Speaker 4: then yes, applying a new grout over the top is fine,
Speaker 4: but you would want to go and where if you
Speaker 4: get that product from. You'd want to go and talk
Speaker 4: to them about things like adhesion, Right, So you want
Speaker 4: to make sure that the new grout, if it's going
Speaker 4: to be a thin layer over the top of the
Speaker 4: existing one, is actually going to bond and not just
Speaker 4: delaminate and come out later on. So adhesion is the
Speaker 4: key there, because what you don't necessarily want to do
Speaker 4: is have to go through and cut all of the
Speaker 4: old grout out. But no, that should be relatively simple.
Speaker 4: And then you know, like with grouting tiles, you've got
Speaker 4: to be a little bit conscious. Especially bricks that are porous, right,
Speaker 4: they will absorb and get stained by the grout very quickly.
Speaker 4: So the person doing the work needs to make sure
Speaker 4: that that as they're applying the grout, they're cleaning it off,
Speaker 4: that it's not You can just kind of pour a
Speaker 4: slurry over the whole thing and then clean it. But
Speaker 4: you don't want to wait too long. You don't want
Speaker 4: to let it dry. There's a bit of I suppose
Speaker 4: it's been a knowledge in getting it right. But yes,
Speaker 4: theoretically it's still you can pourse. You can, but then
Speaker 4: you want to be working quickly to ensure that it
Speaker 4: doesn't start bonding to the bricks, which is not where
Speaker 4: you want it.
Speaker 16: No, it was, So is that is it better just
Speaker 16: to individually fill all the grass?
Speaker 4: Look, that's probably the approach that I would take. And
Speaker 4: I go years ago, I did some big six hundred
Speaker 4: by six hundred pavers and then I grouted them right,
Speaker 4: and it was quite a big grouted gap in between,
Speaker 4: and I just worked my way along each individual line,
Speaker 4: filling it with grout, packing it and cleaning it off
Speaker 4: and cleaning the surrounding area as I went right and
Speaker 4: worked my way across that way. So I would probably
Speaker 4: take the same approach with the bricks that I would
Speaker 4: kind of point them almost and apply that and clean
Speaker 4: off an area and then move on to the next
Speaker 4: area and keep cleaning as you go. Pointing is if
Speaker 4: you look at brickwork. When brickwork is being laid, there's
Speaker 4: mortar in between the bricks, and then the bricklayer will
Speaker 4: point them by scraping out the joint and making it neat.
Speaker 4: So if you did a grout that wasn't a really
Speaker 4: wet slurry and you essentially pointed it. But again it's
Speaker 4: that adhesion is the key, because what I don't want
Speaker 4: to do is say, pour a layer on top and
Speaker 4: then you find that it delaminates and comes off again.
Speaker 16: And who would do that sort of thing?
Speaker 17: Would we.
Speaker 8: Look?
Speaker 4: Probably a tyler would be a good place to start.
Speaker 4: Someone that's got a bit of experience with that. You
Speaker 4: might find a bricklayer, I mean, a general contractor may
Speaker 4: have an inclination. It's just you've got to try and
Speaker 4: find someone who's got a little bit of a passion
Speaker 4: for doing it. It's it's work that requires a bit
Speaker 4: of care and attention to do well. Yes, all the
Speaker 4: very best, you go, take care and Julie a very
Speaker 4: good morning to you. Hello, good morning, morning.
Speaker 17: Morning, Hello, Hi, I have a large area of what shrawing.
Speaker 17: It's been part of us. I would like to get it,
Speaker 17: then send it off and apply what oil. Yep, but
Speaker 17: I'm having I'm having trouble finding a four floor standard
Speaker 17: and advocato. Will you have any recommendations? Please?
Speaker 4: Look, it depends a little bit on where in the
Speaker 4: country you are and what type of flooring it is.
Speaker 4: So what's what type of flooring do you actually have?
Speaker 17: It's a I'm in Mangawai area and it's a hard
Speaker 17: hard wood.
Speaker 4: Flooring and it's tongue and groove, or it's it's laid
Speaker 4: down over the top of a substrate.
Speaker 17: I think it's tongue and groove.
Speaker 4: I think right, laid down directly over the joists, or
Speaker 4: is it stuck down onto a concrete slab? Do you
Speaker 4: know what's underneath it?
Speaker 9: No, I think it's tongue and groove.
Speaker 4: I think right. I mean the reason I'm asking it
Speaker 4: question is like sometimes with tongue and groove, it's already
Speaker 4: been sanded. You may not actually have enough of the
Speaker 4: material left to sand again. So you've got to be
Speaker 4: a little bit cautious around that. Depending on the type
Speaker 4: of material it might depend on how much you can
Speaker 4: actually sand off, and then some types of timber might
Speaker 4: not actually respond particularly well to using like a natural oil.
Speaker 4: It's unlikely, but it's possible. Right, So there's a few
Speaker 4: issues there. Look, I tell you what's Stay on the line.
Speaker 4: I'll give you the number of a guy who is
Speaker 4: very experienced who might be able to help you out.
Speaker 4: But it is pretty challenging what you're it seems simple,
Speaker 4: but it may not be. All right, Okay, just stay
Speaker 4: on the lines, Julie. I'll be with you in just
Speaker 4: a moment, righty, oh, let's rip it. I think we'll
Speaker 4: take a short break. Redkline passed live and in person.
Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to this, ladies and gentlemen. We'll be
Speaker 4: back talking all things gardening and the wonderful world of
Speaker 4: bugs with rud straight after the break.
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