1 00:00:06,855 --> 00:00:10,055 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Built Up podcast with Peter 2 00:00:10,135 --> 00:00:12,015 Speaker 1: Wolfcamp from US Talks at b. 3 00:00:18,695 --> 00:00:18,855 Speaker 2: Well. 4 00:00:18,935 --> 00:00:23,295 Speaker 3: I woke up Sunday morning with no weight to hold. 5 00:00:23,415 --> 00:00:32,615 Speaker 3: My hands didn't hurt, and the beer I had for 6 00:00:32,735 --> 00:00:37,615 Speaker 3: breakfast wasn't bad, so I had one more for dessert. 7 00:00:43,095 --> 00:00:47,215 Speaker 3: Then I fumbled through my closet for my clothes and 8 00:00:47,455 --> 00:00:57,055 Speaker 3: found my cleanest dirty shirt, and I shaved my face 9 00:00:57,095 --> 00:01:01,015 Speaker 3: and combed my hair and stumbled down the stairs to 10 00:01:01,175 --> 00:01:10,535 Speaker 3: meet the day. I'd smoked my brain the night before, 11 00:01:10,775 --> 00:01:20,295 Speaker 3: long cigarettes and songs that i'd been picking. But I 12 00:01:20,375 --> 00:01:24,335 Speaker 3: lit my first and watched a small kid cussing that 13 00:01:24,535 --> 00:01:33,415 Speaker 3: a can that he was kicking. Then I crossed the 14 00:01:33,455 --> 00:01:39,375 Speaker 3: empty street caught the Sunday smount of someone frying chicken, 15 00:01:44,375 --> 00:01:48,815 Speaker 3: and it took me back to something that I'd lost somehow, 16 00:01:49,335 --> 00:01:57,655 Speaker 3: somewhere along the way on the Sunday morningside of. 17 00:02:00,895 --> 00:02:03,615 Speaker 4: Wishing Lock, I was stolen. 18 00:02:06,975 --> 00:02:16,655 Speaker 3: But there's something near a Sunday makes a buddy feeler, 19 00:02:19,175 --> 00:02:28,175 Speaker 3: And there's nothing shortie have this ansome as the sound. 20 00:02:31,095 --> 00:02:33,935 Speaker 4: On the sleeping sit side. 21 00:02:37,055 --> 00:02:39,615 Speaker 3: Sunday moll coming down. 22 00:02:43,135 --> 00:02:45,615 Speaker 4: Well, A very good morning, and welcome along to the 23 00:02:45,615 --> 00:02:48,815 Speaker 4: Resident Builder on a Sunday slightly different song. This morning, 24 00:02:48,815 --> 00:02:51,295 Speaker 4: I thought we should mark the passing of Chris Christofferson, 25 00:02:51,375 --> 00:02:54,695 Speaker 4: who passed away I think about age eighty eight during 26 00:02:54,695 --> 00:02:56,855 Speaker 4: the week, and at one stage I did entertain the 27 00:02:56,855 --> 00:02:59,695 Speaker 4: thought of using that as an introduction song that was 28 00:02:59,735 --> 00:03:02,415 Speaker 4: all about Sunday mornings. But I listened a little bit 29 00:03:02,415 --> 00:03:07,655 Speaker 4: more closely to the lyrics, not maybe not radio good morning, Welcome, Welcome. 30 00:03:07,695 --> 00:03:11,655 Speaker 4: My name's Pete wolf Camp, still with a slightly husky voice. 31 00:03:11,695 --> 00:03:15,535 Speaker 4: My apologies for that. It's one of those weeks we 32 00:03:15,655 --> 00:03:18,335 Speaker 4: sort of you know, got a battle on a little 33 00:03:18,375 --> 00:03:21,255 Speaker 4: bit with feeling a bit off color. But anyway, we're 34 00:03:21,295 --> 00:03:25,055 Speaker 4: back into it and enjoying the enjoying being with you 35 00:03:25,095 --> 00:03:28,095 Speaker 4: this morning, so looking forward to talking all things building 36 00:03:28,175 --> 00:03:31,855 Speaker 4: and construction. We are aware that there has been a 37 00:03:32,015 --> 00:03:38,175 Speaker 4: reasonably sizable and certainly widely felt earthquake in Wellington this 38 00:03:38,215 --> 00:03:43,615 Speaker 4: morning just after five or just at five eight. Geannette 39 00:03:43,615 --> 00:03:47,295 Speaker 4: reports it now as a five point seven shake about 40 00:03:47,295 --> 00:03:50,895 Speaker 4: twenty five kilometers to the west of Wellington, CBD, at 41 00:03:50,895 --> 00:03:54,415 Speaker 4: a depth of around thirty kilometers, but certainly plenty of 42 00:03:54,415 --> 00:03:58,135 Speaker 4: people in the region were awokened. The reporter that we 43 00:03:58,295 --> 00:04:00,415 Speaker 4: listened to in our bulletin there at six o'clock was 44 00:04:00,415 --> 00:04:03,055 Speaker 4: talking about the building that they were in, the flat 45 00:04:03,095 --> 00:04:07,255 Speaker 4: that they were moving around reasonably significantly. Certainly, if there's 46 00:04:07,295 --> 00:04:09,735 Speaker 4: any update on that, or if there is any report 47 00:04:09,775 --> 00:04:12,335 Speaker 4: of damage, or are there are any notices about, you know, 48 00:04:12,335 --> 00:04:14,655 Speaker 4: buildings that might be closed that sort of thing, we 49 00:04:14,695 --> 00:04:16,335 Speaker 4: will bring that to you and we'll try and get 50 00:04:16,335 --> 00:04:19,735 Speaker 4: in touch with someone in Wellington as well. And if 51 00:04:19,935 --> 00:04:22,895 Speaker 4: you've got a question of a building nature, well the 52 00:04:22,895 --> 00:04:25,255 Speaker 4: lines are open to you. We're going to talk all 53 00:04:25,295 --> 00:04:26,935 Speaker 4: things building this morning. We have a couple of guests 54 00:04:26,975 --> 00:04:30,095 Speaker 4: joining us as well. One thing that I wanted to 55 00:04:30,415 --> 00:04:34,055 Speaker 4: focus on specifically today talking with some of our experts 56 00:04:34,055 --> 00:04:38,895 Speaker 4: from Metro Performance Glass was around safety and I don't 57 00:04:38,895 --> 00:04:42,535 Speaker 4: know if you've ever had that experience, either of I'll 58 00:04:42,535 --> 00:04:45,335 Speaker 4: tell you a story about why we've got safety glass 59 00:04:45,375 --> 00:04:47,735 Speaker 4: now and why it wasn't around the nineteen eighties when 60 00:04:47,775 --> 00:04:50,255 Speaker 4: I was at school, and what happened as a result 61 00:04:50,255 --> 00:04:55,335 Speaker 4: of that, but also increasingly as part of final inspections 62 00:04:55,335 --> 00:04:58,495 Speaker 4: for buildings, you know, certain types of glazing has to 63 00:04:58,735 --> 00:05:01,775 Speaker 4: specifically be safety glass. So what is it? Why do 64 00:05:01,855 --> 00:05:04,055 Speaker 4: we have it? What are the general rules around it. 65 00:05:04,215 --> 00:05:07,175 Speaker 4: We'll be talking about safety, glass and then the other thing. 66 00:05:07,255 --> 00:05:11,255 Speaker 4: And I feel I'm in a kind of privilege, lucky. 67 00:05:11,455 --> 00:05:13,695 Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm in a position where I spent 68 00:05:13,775 --> 00:05:17,615 Speaker 4: a bit of time catching up with people who are 69 00:05:17,615 --> 00:05:21,335 Speaker 4: doing new and exciting things. If not in the construction sector, 70 00:05:21,375 --> 00:05:24,175 Speaker 4: then in sort of the waste area as it happens. 71 00:05:24,175 --> 00:05:28,095 Speaker 4: But it construction contributes an enormous amount to the waste stream, 72 00:05:28,135 --> 00:05:31,375 Speaker 4: so the too often overlap. And I was at the 73 00:05:32,735 --> 00:05:37,295 Speaker 4: miter Ten Expo and for their exit or for their suppliers, 74 00:05:37,655 --> 00:05:39,535 Speaker 4: and also that I went along to the gala a 75 00:05:39,575 --> 00:05:42,455 Speaker 4: couple of months ago, which was delightful, and as well 76 00:05:42,455 --> 00:05:45,095 Speaker 4: as tootling around the exhibition center, there was a gentleman 77 00:05:45,135 --> 00:05:48,055 Speaker 4: there in a fetching kind of slightly pink maybe a 78 00:05:48,095 --> 00:05:51,375 Speaker 4: Semoni colored suit that seemed to be cut out of 79 00:05:51,415 --> 00:05:53,775 Speaker 4: a fabric that I'd never seen before. Turns out that, 80 00:05:53,815 --> 00:05:57,255 Speaker 4: in fact, the fabric such that it was was completely 81 00:05:57,335 --> 00:06:00,775 Speaker 4: out of recycled fabric. So if you take textiles in 82 00:06:00,855 --> 00:06:03,415 Speaker 4: for recycling, this is the company that will do it, 83 00:06:03,495 --> 00:06:04,895 Speaker 4: or one of the companies that will do it. So 84 00:06:05,295 --> 00:06:07,775 Speaker 4: Tim from Retex is going to join me just after 85 00:06:07,815 --> 00:06:10,215 Speaker 4: eight o'clock to talk about this, because it's all about 86 00:06:10,535 --> 00:06:14,455 Speaker 4: waste minimization, right about diverting material from landfill. We all 87 00:06:14,495 --> 00:06:18,295 Speaker 4: know in the sort of waste minimization field that it's 88 00:06:17,775 --> 00:06:22,015 Speaker 4: reused then recycle. But we've also got to be practical 89 00:06:22,015 --> 00:06:25,735 Speaker 4: and say not everything can be We can't. In some cases, 90 00:06:25,815 --> 00:06:30,015 Speaker 4: it's hard to reduce materials that we use in business, 91 00:06:30,015 --> 00:06:33,815 Speaker 4: whether that's construction or any other part of business. Sometimes 92 00:06:33,855 --> 00:06:36,175 Speaker 4: it's not possible to reuse those items. So if you've 93 00:06:36,215 --> 00:06:38,375 Speaker 4: got you know, in this case, I was talking to them, 94 00:06:38,375 --> 00:06:43,455 Speaker 4: and they take, for example, old overalls from construction sites, 95 00:06:44,055 --> 00:06:47,695 Speaker 4: old hybrid vests and those sorts of things, and then 96 00:06:47,735 --> 00:06:52,735 Speaker 4: they will repurpose it into various products. And that's a 97 00:06:52,775 --> 00:06:55,775 Speaker 4: way of ensuring that it doesn't simply go into waste. 98 00:06:55,775 --> 00:06:58,415 Speaker 4: It doesn't go straight to landfill. It can be given 99 00:06:58,455 --> 00:07:02,815 Speaker 4: another life by being recycled. Anyway, I found it fascinating 100 00:07:02,895 --> 00:07:05,815 Speaker 4: and given that I kind of spent a bit of 101 00:07:05,815 --> 00:07:08,655 Speaker 4: time in that space, I'm a board member of a 102 00:07:08,735 --> 00:07:12,535 Speaker 4: trust that administers a recycling center or a resource recovery center. 103 00:07:13,255 --> 00:07:16,295 Speaker 4: It is a very very important issue for us all 104 00:07:16,335 --> 00:07:18,975 Speaker 4: to deal with to be just an aside for this 105 00:07:19,055 --> 00:07:20,935 Speaker 4: and we've got some calls lined up and I'm looking 106 00:07:20,975 --> 00:07:23,575 Speaker 4: forward to chatting with you. I was staggered that there 107 00:07:23,695 --> 00:07:27,895 Speaker 4: wasn't more conversation around recycling and the closure of the 108 00:07:27,975 --> 00:07:32,575 Speaker 4: paper recycling plant in Auckland that slated to happen before Christmas. 109 00:07:32,575 --> 00:07:36,055 Speaker 4: There's many hundreds of jobs that are going to disappear 110 00:07:36,095 --> 00:07:39,895 Speaker 4: from that factory. It is also the plant that processes, 111 00:07:40,255 --> 00:07:43,495 Speaker 4: as I understand it, all of the paper recycling for Auckland. 112 00:07:44,175 --> 00:07:47,415 Speaker 4: So given that you know, we've all hopefully in Auckland 113 00:07:47,415 --> 00:07:49,735 Speaker 4: anyway got into the habit of putting our cardboard in 114 00:07:49,775 --> 00:07:52,895 Speaker 4: our newspapers and now envelopes and anything over a four 115 00:07:53,695 --> 00:07:56,935 Speaker 4: into our recycling bins, where's that material going to go? 116 00:07:57,055 --> 00:07:57,255 Speaker 2: Now? 117 00:07:58,975 --> 00:08:01,175 Speaker 4: I'm just staggered that it didn't get more reporting, to 118 00:08:01,215 --> 00:08:03,575 Speaker 4: be blunt, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. So 119 00:08:03,615 --> 00:08:06,095 Speaker 4: if you've got a building project, if you've got something 120 00:08:06,135 --> 00:08:09,895 Speaker 4: that underway, you're thinking about getting it underway, you're looking ahead. 121 00:08:10,255 --> 00:08:13,335 Speaker 4: It's been a tough old weather week obviously in Dunedin. 122 00:08:13,455 --> 00:08:17,055 Speaker 4: We've had fair share of wet weather here in Auckland 123 00:08:17,175 --> 00:08:20,935 Speaker 4: again as well. Certainly duned, and my sympathies to those 124 00:08:20,975 --> 00:08:24,175 Speaker 4: people who are impacted by that, either by a couple 125 00:08:24,175 --> 00:08:29,655 Speaker 4: of reasonably significant landslides there or by the flooding. Good 126 00:08:29,695 --> 00:08:32,215 Speaker 4: response to the flooding, you'd have to say, in terms 127 00:08:32,255 --> 00:08:36,615 Speaker 4: of council response, government response, the Minister going straight there 128 00:08:36,655 --> 00:08:39,015 Speaker 4: before the event actually happened, knowing that it was going 129 00:08:39,055 --> 00:08:43,015 Speaker 4: to be reasonably severe, and there seems that though it 130 00:08:43,055 --> 00:08:45,655 Speaker 4: has resulted in a number of houses being red stickered 131 00:08:45,815 --> 00:08:48,215 Speaker 4: at this stage, which means that people are not able 132 00:08:48,255 --> 00:08:51,415 Speaker 4: to go back into their houses after a weather event 133 00:08:51,615 --> 00:08:54,135 Speaker 4: like that. So you certainly have my sympathy if you've 134 00:08:54,135 --> 00:08:57,575 Speaker 4: been caught in that. Right, Let's talk all things building construction. 135 00:08:57,735 --> 00:08:59,855 Speaker 4: If you've got a call, if you've got a question 136 00:09:00,055 --> 00:09:02,535 Speaker 4: and you would like to call, the number is eight 137 00:09:02,655 --> 00:09:04,935 Speaker 4: hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you'd like to text, 138 00:09:04,975 --> 00:09:06,975 Speaker 4: and you're more than welcome to do that, it is 139 00:09:07,175 --> 00:09:10,295 Speaker 4: nine to nine two from your mobile phone or ZEDBZB 140 00:09:10,775 --> 00:09:14,935 Speaker 4: and by all means flip me an email if you wish. 141 00:09:15,015 --> 00:09:19,495 Speaker 4: It's peaked at newstalksb dot co dot NZ. I mentioned 142 00:09:19,535 --> 00:09:21,655 Speaker 4: on the program last week too that I'd had a 143 00:09:21,695 --> 00:09:25,655 Speaker 4: particularly busy week the week before and that I hadn't 144 00:09:25,695 --> 00:09:28,855 Speaker 4: got around to sending out some plans for olboxes. This 145 00:09:28,975 --> 00:09:31,215 Speaker 4: has become a bit of a thing on the show. 146 00:09:31,255 --> 00:09:33,935 Speaker 4: You might have noticed. I got asked in the supermarket 147 00:09:34,055 --> 00:09:36,615 Speaker 4: yesterday how I'm going with the l boxes. So I 148 00:09:36,655 --> 00:09:40,055 Speaker 4: did reply to a whole bunch of emails, actually only 149 00:09:40,135 --> 00:09:43,175 Speaker 4: yesterday to be fair, and sent out a heap of 150 00:09:43,255 --> 00:09:47,455 Speaker 4: plans to people that want albox details. So thank you 151 00:09:47,455 --> 00:09:50,015 Speaker 4: for your patience and good luck making them. Please let 152 00:09:50,095 --> 00:09:52,615 Speaker 4: me know if OL's happen to move in to their 153 00:09:52,655 --> 00:09:54,655 Speaker 4: new house that you've made for them. Oh, eight hundred 154 00:09:54,775 --> 00:09:57,855 Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. And if 155 00:09:57,895 --> 00:09:59,135 Speaker 4: you want to give us a call and give us 156 00:09:59,135 --> 00:10:01,175 Speaker 4: a bit of an update from Wellington, you're more than 157 00:10:01,175 --> 00:10:03,895 Speaker 4: welcome to do that as well. It is sixteen minutes 158 00:10:04,015 --> 00:10:07,855 Speaker 4: after six paul A, very good wanting to you you, 159 00:10:07,895 --> 00:10:09,215 Speaker 4: good morning to you for people. 160 00:10:09,415 --> 00:10:13,135 Speaker 5: And let's let's pray that there's nothing no damage down 161 00:10:13,135 --> 00:10:14,095 Speaker 5: to Warrington. 162 00:10:14,095 --> 00:10:15,975 Speaker 4: Certainly no reports at the stage. 163 00:10:16,615 --> 00:10:21,535 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's great. I've got we've got a rental property 164 00:10:21,575 --> 00:10:25,135 Speaker 5: and we we've got recommended a tiler to come and 165 00:10:25,175 --> 00:10:31,095 Speaker 5: do some tiling tile of bathroom that flows into the 166 00:10:31,175 --> 00:10:36,855 Speaker 5: kitchen right, and the tilt was a nightmare. He used 167 00:10:36,895 --> 00:10:43,095 Speaker 5: the brand new kitchen sink as is mixing for mixing 168 00:10:43,215 --> 00:10:49,415 Speaker 5: his grouse and whatnot, and instead of grouting the grout gaps, 169 00:10:50,095 --> 00:10:53,775 Speaker 5: he ended up placing ground all over the tiles. So 170 00:10:53,895 --> 00:10:56,375 Speaker 5: the tiles have been grouted as well as the ground 171 00:10:59,015 --> 00:11:05,215 Speaker 5: and it's pretty dusty, awful, and to be honest, a 172 00:11:05,295 --> 00:11:07,975 Speaker 5: paper guy don't want to see him back again. You know, 173 00:11:08,215 --> 00:11:11,295 Speaker 5: just a nightmare. Can you imagine? I've got a click 174 00:11:11,375 --> 00:11:13,775 Speaker 5: try and turn the sink back into a brand new 175 00:11:14,215 --> 00:11:19,495 Speaker 5: kitchen sink which we've set set up. You know, we've 176 00:11:19,695 --> 00:11:22,815 Speaker 5: we've done the line share of it. Now we've get 177 00:11:22,855 --> 00:11:26,135 Speaker 5: some metal cleaner to clean the rest of it. But 178 00:11:26,215 --> 00:11:29,335 Speaker 5: what a nightmare of a of an individual? 179 00:11:29,975 --> 00:11:33,695 Speaker 4: Can I just ask? Because you know, I mean, I 180 00:11:33,735 --> 00:11:36,255 Speaker 4: have these conversations with people a fair amount right where 181 00:11:36,375 --> 00:11:39,895 Speaker 4: where they contract a trades person who turns out to 182 00:11:39,895 --> 00:11:46,335 Speaker 4: be basically useless. Yeah, so you know, like, why did 183 00:11:46,375 --> 00:11:51,015 Speaker 4: you choose that person? And did you get any sense 184 00:11:51,055 --> 00:11:54,375 Speaker 4: that maybe they weren't up to the job before they started. 185 00:11:56,495 --> 00:11:59,015 Speaker 5: I've got no sense whatsoever that he wasn't up to 186 00:11:59,055 --> 00:12:02,615 Speaker 5: the job. He was an experienced tyler that knew what 187 00:12:02,655 --> 00:12:03,255 Speaker 5: he was doing. 188 00:12:03,495 --> 00:12:04,895 Speaker 4: But how did you get in touch with him? 189 00:12:04,895 --> 00:12:09,295 Speaker 5: I'm just curious through a friend recommended by a friend, 190 00:12:10,175 --> 00:12:13,975 Speaker 5: and they who've been to see the job yesterday and 191 00:12:14,255 --> 00:12:23,935 Speaker 5: was absolutely mortified. The sink had about two or three centimeters. Yeah, 192 00:12:24,015 --> 00:12:24,895 Speaker 5: we're talking a. 193 00:12:25,055 --> 00:12:27,775 Speaker 4: Nightmare, you know, right, Yeah, okay, and. 194 00:12:27,615 --> 00:12:29,575 Speaker 5: You can imagine why I just don't even want to 195 00:12:29,615 --> 00:12:32,975 Speaker 5: go back on the site. And to be honest, the 196 00:12:33,055 --> 00:12:36,295 Speaker 5: tiling job was so poorly done. I'm glad it's just 197 00:12:36,335 --> 00:12:39,255 Speaker 5: a rental property. If it was my home and auto 198 00:12:40,455 --> 00:12:42,975 Speaker 5: you rip the whole lot up and start again. 199 00:12:43,095 --> 00:12:45,295 Speaker 4: Right, Okay, so we're too from here. 200 00:12:46,255 --> 00:12:50,255 Speaker 5: What I'm my question for you? How do I clean 201 00:12:50,375 --> 00:12:51,575 Speaker 5: those tiles? 202 00:12:52,695 --> 00:12:52,895 Speaker 4: Right? 203 00:12:54,215 --> 00:12:57,615 Speaker 5: Scenic product or do I use tubs or no? 204 00:12:57,615 --> 00:13:02,735 Speaker 4: No, no, stay away from turps. Look, I would gosh, if 205 00:13:02,775 --> 00:13:05,095 Speaker 4: there happens to be like a bag of the grouse 206 00:13:05,175 --> 00:13:07,735 Speaker 4: or something like that left, or if you happen to 207 00:13:07,775 --> 00:13:10,095 Speaker 4: see what there is, I would take that down to 208 00:13:10,215 --> 00:13:15,255 Speaker 4: a tile shop, go tile Space for example, and just say, look, 209 00:13:15,295 --> 00:13:19,375 Speaker 4: this is my situation. What's the recommended tile cleaner for this? 210 00:13:19,535 --> 00:13:22,455 Speaker 4: And they will have very very specific products for that 211 00:13:23,575 --> 00:13:27,455 Speaker 4: and use only products recommended by someone like tile space, 212 00:13:27,535 --> 00:13:31,215 Speaker 4: you know, a quality tile store, and then go back 213 00:13:31,255 --> 00:13:36,295 Speaker 4: and start doing the cleanup from there. You know, yeah, yeah, 214 00:13:36,335 --> 00:13:40,055 Speaker 4: pretty much, pretty much. And the other thing I guess 215 00:13:40,095 --> 00:13:43,335 Speaker 4: to be conscious of is that you want to make 216 00:13:43,375 --> 00:13:47,335 Speaker 4: sure that they haven't grouted let's say, you know, ninety 217 00:13:47,335 --> 00:13:50,455 Speaker 4: degree corners where there should be flexible selant. If they 218 00:13:50,495 --> 00:13:53,095 Speaker 4: have done that, ideally you'd get someone either do it 219 00:13:53,095 --> 00:13:55,695 Speaker 4: yourself or get someone to go through rake that out 220 00:13:56,535 --> 00:13:59,175 Speaker 4: and make sure that the sealant goes in. There is 221 00:13:59,295 --> 00:14:03,175 Speaker 4: any of the tiling in critical spaces like a wet 222 00:14:03,215 --> 00:14:06,695 Speaker 4: area inside a shower enclosure. 223 00:14:07,535 --> 00:14:11,335 Speaker 5: No, it's not, it's box, okay, all right? 224 00:14:12,815 --> 00:14:15,375 Speaker 4: And the tiling did they do the floor or just 225 00:14:15,415 --> 00:14:16,895 Speaker 4: the walls? 226 00:14:16,935 --> 00:14:18,775 Speaker 5: Just the floor fortunately, okay? 227 00:14:18,815 --> 00:14:20,935 Speaker 4: And is the floor onto a concrete slab or is 228 00:14:20,975 --> 00:14:24,735 Speaker 4: it on a it's onto a concrete slab, okay, all right. 229 00:14:24,775 --> 00:14:28,415 Speaker 4: So you know, realistically speaking, I'm just thinking about potential 230 00:14:28,495 --> 00:14:32,415 Speaker 4: water damage water ingress in the future, given that it's 231 00:14:32,535 --> 00:14:35,575 Speaker 4: it's not in a shower, it's really just on a 232 00:14:35,615 --> 00:14:38,375 Speaker 4: splash stone and it's on aunt concrete slab. If they 233 00:14:38,375 --> 00:14:40,775 Speaker 4: haven't done a great job, the risk of further damage 234 00:14:40,775 --> 00:14:41,815 Speaker 4: is minimal. 235 00:14:43,135 --> 00:14:44,335 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just cleaner. 236 00:14:44,615 --> 00:14:44,855 Speaker 4: Yeah. 237 00:14:45,215 --> 00:14:49,415 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the nightmare. So yeah, so go to you. 238 00:14:49,415 --> 00:14:51,215 Speaker 4: Go to the tiles space. They've they've got. 239 00:14:51,015 --> 00:14:54,615 Speaker 5: Specified some type that I can apply. 240 00:14:55,095 --> 00:14:57,215 Speaker 4: And to be fair, you know, if you, if you, 241 00:14:57,215 --> 00:14:59,055 Speaker 4: you'll find that people there this is not the first 242 00:14:59,095 --> 00:15:01,495 Speaker 4: time they've heard of something like this, so they will 243 00:15:01,535 --> 00:15:03,215 Speaker 4: know exactly the right product to use. 244 00:15:03,295 --> 00:15:05,215 Speaker 5: I've got photogram yeah. 245 00:15:06,975 --> 00:15:11,735 Speaker 4: Right, Ah, and your mate must feel terrible. 246 00:15:13,455 --> 00:15:15,895 Speaker 5: He feels like he should rip it up and pay 247 00:15:15,895 --> 00:15:22,455 Speaker 5: for it the replacement himself. He just feels awful. Yeah, 248 00:15:22,495 --> 00:15:23,655 Speaker 5: and he's a good mate too. 249 00:15:24,375 --> 00:15:27,175 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know. And look, I've 250 00:15:27,175 --> 00:15:31,455 Speaker 4: been completely honest with you. You know, like every obviously I 251 00:15:31,455 --> 00:15:33,775 Speaker 4: know a bunch of tradees and people will ring and 252 00:15:33,815 --> 00:15:37,375 Speaker 4: they'll go, hey, can you recommend such and such? And 253 00:15:38,055 --> 00:15:40,215 Speaker 4: I was going to say nine times, maybe eight times 254 00:15:40,215 --> 00:15:43,015 Speaker 4: out of ten the recommendation goes, well, but every now 255 00:15:43,015 --> 00:15:45,295 Speaker 4: and then, and we all have bad days, right. 256 00:15:46,375 --> 00:15:48,975 Speaker 5: And what I reckon I might have been on something, 257 00:15:49,095 --> 00:15:51,855 Speaker 5: because you don't you don't grout the tile, you grout 258 00:15:51,935 --> 00:15:53,335 Speaker 5: the whole, you grab the game. 259 00:15:53,495 --> 00:15:56,335 Speaker 4: I think what it probably was is they were rushing 260 00:15:56,375 --> 00:15:59,735 Speaker 4: to do the job. They threw the grout and you know, 261 00:15:59,855 --> 00:16:02,655 Speaker 4: pushed it into the gaps. Didn't bother cleaning the tiles, 262 00:16:02,695 --> 00:16:04,895 Speaker 4: because cleaning the toiles is quite a process, right, you 263 00:16:04,935 --> 00:16:07,415 Speaker 4: need two buckets of water, you need sponge, and you 264 00:16:07,455 --> 00:16:10,975 Speaker 4: know you spend time cleaning the excess off, washing the sponge, 265 00:16:11,015 --> 00:16:15,055 Speaker 4: cleaning it down. Absolutely, you know it's it's quite the process. 266 00:16:15,135 --> 00:16:19,295 Speaker 5: But man, give a process. After the fact, the grouts 267 00:16:19,615 --> 00:16:24,975 Speaker 5: now said the grouted said, yeah, look. 268 00:16:25,135 --> 00:16:26,935 Speaker 4: Good luck with the clean up. Hopefully it goes all 269 00:16:26,975 --> 00:16:31,615 Speaker 4: right for you all the very you take care. Then 270 00:16:32,255 --> 00:16:36,695 Speaker 4: it is just its mate. I've got an enormous I've 271 00:16:36,695 --> 00:16:39,335 Speaker 4: got an enormous amount of sympathy for Paul because he's 272 00:16:39,335 --> 00:16:41,855 Speaker 4: now faced with having to clean the job, but also 273 00:16:41,975 --> 00:16:43,975 Speaker 4: for the mate that recommends someone and then they do 274 00:16:44,135 --> 00:16:49,455 Speaker 4: such a rubbish job. And it's very very rare, and 275 00:16:49,495 --> 00:16:52,175 Speaker 4: I'm talking over a very long period of time, but 276 00:16:52,695 --> 00:16:56,095 Speaker 4: every now and then I'll recommend someone and they'll over 277 00:16:56,135 --> 00:16:58,815 Speaker 4: the not recently and not for a while, and not 278 00:16:59,055 --> 00:17:02,295 Speaker 4: very frequently, but every now and then someone will just 279 00:17:02,375 --> 00:17:05,615 Speaker 4: have an off day. Someone will come back and go, okay, 280 00:17:05,655 --> 00:17:09,975 Speaker 4: you recommend it this guy for whatever task but gee, 281 00:17:10,015 --> 00:17:14,215 Speaker 4: I wasn't actually that happy with the job here. I've 282 00:17:14,375 --> 00:17:18,095 Speaker 4: kind of almost stopped. Ah, No, I haven't. There are 283 00:17:18,095 --> 00:17:21,815 Speaker 4: guys that I recommend to never let anyone down, but 284 00:17:21,855 --> 00:17:23,495 Speaker 4: every now and then we all have a bad day, 285 00:17:23,535 --> 00:17:26,175 Speaker 4: and that's the nature of actually building something, you know. 286 00:17:26,695 --> 00:17:28,775 Speaker 4: The only people that don't make mistakes are those people 287 00:17:28,815 --> 00:17:32,575 Speaker 4: who make nothing. Is always my motto. I wait, hundred 288 00:17:32,615 --> 00:17:35,215 Speaker 4: and done, plenty of mistakes myself. I eight hundred eighty 289 00:17:35,295 --> 00:17:37,535 Speaker 4: ten eighty is the number to call. We'll come back 290 00:17:37,535 --> 00:17:41,215 Speaker 4: and talk to Mary straight after the break right he Oh, 291 00:17:41,615 --> 00:17:44,175 Speaker 4: just wrapping up to some of the comments with regard 292 00:17:44,255 --> 00:17:47,215 Speaker 4: to Paul and the issue of having He's got a 293 00:17:47,215 --> 00:17:49,055 Speaker 4: couple of issues there. One is that Tyler did a 294 00:17:49,095 --> 00:17:51,135 Speaker 4: poor job and has left a lot of the grout 295 00:17:51,175 --> 00:17:52,895 Speaker 4: on the surface of the tile, so that needs to 296 00:17:52,895 --> 00:17:58,095 Speaker 4: be cleaned off. Also, Tyler seemed to use the sink 297 00:17:58,415 --> 00:18:01,535 Speaker 4: as somewhere to either mix up or clean up grout, 298 00:18:02,695 --> 00:18:06,055 Speaker 4: which has left a lot of residue inside the sink 299 00:18:06,695 --> 00:18:08,975 Speaker 4: and a texture has come through and said, hey, look, 300 00:18:09,015 --> 00:18:11,775 Speaker 4: it's also highly likely that the sink or the drainage 301 00:18:11,895 --> 00:18:14,215 Speaker 4: is going to be blocked or close to being so 302 00:18:15,015 --> 00:18:17,135 Speaker 4: thank you. That's a very very good point that you make. 303 00:18:17,255 --> 00:18:20,855 Speaker 4: So I suspect that, and you know, I'm just thinking 304 00:18:20,855 --> 00:18:23,975 Speaker 4: about drain un blockers, right, which work on organic material 305 00:18:25,935 --> 00:18:28,615 Speaker 4: that's not going to work on grout. So I would 306 00:18:28,695 --> 00:18:32,535 Speaker 4: probably say to Paul, if you can, I would undo 307 00:18:32,615 --> 00:18:35,935 Speaker 4: the p trap that's underneath the sink and just have 308 00:18:36,015 --> 00:18:37,735 Speaker 4: a look at that and make sure that's not going 309 00:18:37,775 --> 00:18:39,935 Speaker 4: to cause you issues in a couple of months as well. 310 00:18:40,015 --> 00:18:42,895 Speaker 4: So Crik, it just goes on and on, I mean, 311 00:18:43,295 --> 00:18:46,615 Speaker 4: and also it's such bad practice. And this is an 312 00:18:46,655 --> 00:18:50,695 Speaker 4: issue you know when we're cleaning up on site, particularly 313 00:18:50,735 --> 00:18:55,015 Speaker 4: with regard to paint, but certainly with regard to other materials, 314 00:18:55,055 --> 00:18:59,655 Speaker 4: including sementitious materials like grouts, is that you should never 315 00:18:59,975 --> 00:19:04,975 Speaker 4: never direct those down, certainly not storm water. The impact 316 00:19:05,015 --> 00:19:10,215 Speaker 4: on stormwater is devastating. You know that even very small 317 00:19:10,215 --> 00:19:14,615 Speaker 4: amounts of semontitious material going into storm water can cause 318 00:19:14,735 --> 00:19:18,415 Speaker 4: significant damage to particularly you know, if stormwater is going 319 00:19:18,455 --> 00:19:23,015 Speaker 4: into local streams, the impact there is enormous, Like please 320 00:19:23,055 --> 00:19:26,215 Speaker 4: don't underestimate it. And it explains why counsels in particular 321 00:19:26,655 --> 00:19:29,775 Speaker 4: are so hot on chasing up contractors. You know that 322 00:19:29,935 --> 00:19:32,175 Speaker 4: wash off cement and that sort of thing into stormwater, 323 00:19:33,015 --> 00:19:36,015 Speaker 4: and the fines are fairly significant, and they'll come along 324 00:19:36,055 --> 00:19:38,855 Speaker 4: and test catch pits and areas and that sort of thing, 325 00:19:39,495 --> 00:19:42,575 Speaker 4: and to be fair, it drives me nuts. I've seen 326 00:19:42,575 --> 00:19:44,175 Speaker 4: it a couple of times and gone up to people 327 00:19:44,215 --> 00:19:46,495 Speaker 4: and just kind of look, I'm really sorry, but this 328 00:19:46,615 --> 00:19:50,415 Speaker 4: is completely unacceptable, you know, washing down. It's very rare 329 00:19:50,455 --> 00:19:53,455 Speaker 4: that you see it from like large professional companies, but 330 00:19:53,935 --> 00:19:57,135 Speaker 4: individual contractors from time to time. And it's a challenge. Right, 331 00:19:57,175 --> 00:20:00,815 Speaker 4: you've finished doing concrete, You've got the left remnants, let's say, 332 00:20:01,615 --> 00:20:03,935 Speaker 4: in your wheelbarrow. You've cleaned all your trowels and bits 333 00:20:04,015 --> 00:20:08,495 Speaker 4: and pieces, and then you've got this highly alkaline material 334 00:20:08,735 --> 00:20:12,455 Speaker 4: in sludgy water inside your wheelbarrow. Where do you tip it? Well, 335 00:20:12,535 --> 00:20:15,495 Speaker 4: you certainly don't tip it into the curb or onto 336 00:20:15,495 --> 00:20:18,535 Speaker 4: the drive and rinse it down into the drains and 337 00:20:19,295 --> 00:20:21,295 Speaker 4: the same. I mean, I'm just thinking about Paul, with 338 00:20:21,335 --> 00:20:24,095 Speaker 4: this contractor working in his house using the sink to 339 00:20:24,135 --> 00:20:27,615 Speaker 4: clean it up, and that has terrible consequences. So you 340 00:20:27,655 --> 00:20:30,335 Speaker 4: just have to find an area where you can tip 341 00:20:30,375 --> 00:20:33,135 Speaker 4: it either onto the ground or into in an area 342 00:20:33,175 --> 00:20:36,375 Speaker 4: that you've prepared where it's not going to inadvertently end 343 00:20:36,455 --> 00:20:40,535 Speaker 4: up in either wastewater or storm water. Really really important. 344 00:20:40,535 --> 00:20:42,735 Speaker 4: Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that 345 00:20:42,895 --> 00:20:45,055 Speaker 4: number to call Mary? A very good morning to you. 346 00:20:46,055 --> 00:20:49,895 Speaker 6: Hi, good morning, Pete. I've got a question. I was 347 00:20:49,935 --> 00:20:53,575 Speaker 6: thinking of doing wall insulation, but I was looking at 348 00:20:54,695 --> 00:20:58,575 Speaker 6: removing getting the passport and moved and paper and ye 349 00:20:59,215 --> 00:21:03,975 Speaker 6: insulation put in the wall. I wanted to know, PLN 350 00:21:04,055 --> 00:21:07,535 Speaker 6: you sort of do you have to do every wall 351 00:21:07,655 --> 00:21:11,975 Speaker 6: in the house or can you do in sections and 352 00:21:12,015 --> 00:21:16,415 Speaker 6: get consent for sections, Because in the bathroom it means 353 00:21:16,415 --> 00:21:19,575 Speaker 6: you've got to rip the shower keebicle out and you've 354 00:21:19,575 --> 00:21:24,415 Speaker 6: got to take you you've got to take the toilet out, yes, 355 00:21:24,775 --> 00:21:27,815 Speaker 6: and then reinstall it all all for a little area 356 00:21:27,815 --> 00:21:31,615 Speaker 6: of or it's about just over about a meter by 357 00:21:31,855 --> 00:21:34,775 Speaker 6: meter that's actually visible. 358 00:21:35,535 --> 00:21:35,775 Speaker 4: Yeah. 359 00:21:37,215 --> 00:21:39,855 Speaker 6: Do I just wonder if there's anywhere getting consents like 360 00:21:40,295 --> 00:21:42,775 Speaker 6: you know, to do a bedroom, lounge and things like that, 361 00:21:42,895 --> 00:21:44,735 Speaker 6: the same as in the kitchen you've got to take 362 00:21:44,775 --> 00:21:48,215 Speaker 6: all the kitchen cabinets, yes, and then reinstall the kitchen. 363 00:21:48,775 --> 00:21:50,655 Speaker 6: I just wondered if there's a way of doing it 364 00:21:50,695 --> 00:21:51,135 Speaker 6: that way. 365 00:21:51,655 --> 00:21:56,655 Speaker 4: Do you intend to do the work sort of you know, consistently, 366 00:21:56,815 --> 00:22:00,135 Speaker 4: like over a period of one or two years, or 367 00:22:00,175 --> 00:22:02,215 Speaker 4: do you think I'm going to do something. I may 368 00:22:02,215 --> 00:22:04,215 Speaker 4: not do anything for a couple more years and then 369 00:22:04,255 --> 00:22:05,455 Speaker 4: I'll do another piece. 370 00:22:06,895 --> 00:22:09,935 Speaker 6: I was thinking of. Perhaps you like the bathroom is 371 00:22:09,975 --> 00:22:11,015 Speaker 6: not doing it at all? 372 00:22:11,295 --> 00:22:13,695 Speaker 5: Right, okay, this the bathroom doesn't need. 373 00:22:17,455 --> 00:22:19,495 Speaker 6: But I just wondered if there's a way. 374 00:22:19,335 --> 00:22:20,055 Speaker 5: Of doing it. 375 00:22:20,255 --> 00:22:21,175 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you can. 376 00:22:21,095 --> 00:22:24,495 Speaker 6: Get a part like a park consent, or whether you 377 00:22:24,535 --> 00:22:26,055 Speaker 6: have it has to be all or nothing. 378 00:22:28,095 --> 00:22:30,655 Speaker 4: I mean, look what you're saying, while it seems like 379 00:22:30,735 --> 00:22:36,615 Speaker 4: a really simple question, is in fact like, well, not 380 00:22:36,655 --> 00:22:42,135 Speaker 4: a nightmare. It just gets quite complicated quite quickly. First up, 381 00:22:42,175 --> 00:22:44,855 Speaker 4: good on you for for appreciating the fact that, in 382 00:22:44,855 --> 00:22:48,175 Speaker 4: fact this type of work does require a building consent. Right, 383 00:22:48,295 --> 00:22:54,535 Speaker 4: so you know, removing lining, adding insulation to existing exterior walls, 384 00:22:54,575 --> 00:22:57,735 Speaker 4: and replacing the lining is still work that requires a 385 00:22:57,735 --> 00:23:00,975 Speaker 4: building consent. Now, as an aside to that, I have 386 00:23:01,175 --> 00:23:03,535 Speaker 4: argued for a number of years that that work should 387 00:23:03,535 --> 00:23:08,615 Speaker 4: be potentially exempt from having a building consent. It should 388 00:23:08,655 --> 00:23:10,615 Speaker 4: be the sort of work that could be done under 389 00:23:10,615 --> 00:23:13,255 Speaker 4: Schedule one of the Act, which is work that sets 390 00:23:13,255 --> 00:23:15,735 Speaker 4: out or a legislation that sets out what type of 391 00:23:15,775 --> 00:23:19,415 Speaker 4: work could be done without necessarily requiring a building consent, 392 00:23:20,575 --> 00:23:22,935 Speaker 4: and that it's the sort of work that, you know, 393 00:23:22,975 --> 00:23:26,775 Speaker 4: if supervised by an LBP or by an architectural designer, 394 00:23:26,815 --> 00:23:30,415 Speaker 4: an architect or an engineer, can be done to the 395 00:23:30,495 --> 00:23:33,975 Speaker 4: code without necessarily requiring a building consent, given how much 396 00:23:34,215 --> 00:23:36,215 Speaker 4: how important it is and how much of this work 397 00:23:36,255 --> 00:23:41,055 Speaker 4: needs to happen, I suppose, but that's not the rules 398 00:23:41,135 --> 00:23:43,255 Speaker 4: right now. So the rules are that you need to 399 00:23:43,255 --> 00:23:46,295 Speaker 4: get a consent. Then it becomes an issue of you know, 400 00:23:46,975 --> 00:23:51,015 Speaker 4: can you have or can you work with your counsel 401 00:23:51,175 --> 00:23:54,335 Speaker 4: in a collaborative sense, where a council surely would look 402 00:23:54,375 --> 00:23:56,695 Speaker 4: at this and go, look, it's fairly low risk. We're 403 00:23:56,735 --> 00:24:00,375 Speaker 4: not going to demand a full set of plans. We're 404 00:24:00,375 --> 00:24:02,855 Speaker 4: simply going to get, you know, a couple of page 405 00:24:02,895 --> 00:24:05,175 Speaker 4: document that says this is what I intend to do. 406 00:24:05,255 --> 00:24:07,855 Speaker 4: I'm going to remove the line, I'm going to add 407 00:24:07,855 --> 00:24:10,255 Speaker 4: this type of insulation. If it's got what's it got 408 00:24:10,295 --> 00:24:12,295 Speaker 4: on the outside is clanning, whether boards or brick. 409 00:24:13,655 --> 00:24:15,735 Speaker 6: It's Britain stucco. 410 00:24:16,575 --> 00:24:21,455 Speaker 4: Brick and stucco okay. So you know, if it's got 411 00:24:22,015 --> 00:24:24,655 Speaker 4: building paper around the outside of the timber frames, then 412 00:24:24,695 --> 00:24:26,015 Speaker 4: it's relatively straightforward. 413 00:24:26,095 --> 00:24:26,215 Speaker 7: Right. 414 00:24:26,255 --> 00:24:29,295 Speaker 4: You add insulation, you replace the lining, and the low 415 00:24:29,375 --> 00:24:31,335 Speaker 4: risk approach is to say, I'm going to fix all 416 00:24:31,375 --> 00:24:34,175 Speaker 4: of my interior lining off as a brace as a 417 00:24:34,215 --> 00:24:36,935 Speaker 4: GS one black brace, right, and chances are it's got 418 00:24:36,975 --> 00:24:38,935 Speaker 4: as much bracing as it used to have. So you've 419 00:24:38,935 --> 00:24:42,295 Speaker 4: addressed issues around Worcester ingress and around the stability of 420 00:24:42,295 --> 00:24:45,055 Speaker 4: the building and you should be able to do that 421 00:24:45,775 --> 00:24:49,455 Speaker 4: with very little intervention from the council, but technically it 422 00:24:49,495 --> 00:24:51,975 Speaker 4: does require. The other option is that you go or 423 00:24:52,015 --> 00:24:54,455 Speaker 4: you get someone to make a submission on your behalf 424 00:24:55,055 --> 00:24:57,815 Speaker 4: and go for an exemption from a building consent. Right, 425 00:24:57,895 --> 00:25:00,575 Speaker 4: So you're informing council that you're going to do some work, 426 00:25:00,895 --> 00:25:04,495 Speaker 4: but given that it's relatively low risk, it's in an 427 00:25:04,535 --> 00:25:07,775 Speaker 4: existing building, et cetera, et cetera. Ccait, you can get 428 00:25:07,815 --> 00:25:10,215 Speaker 4: an exemption. Then you've got something on paper to say 429 00:25:10,335 --> 00:25:12,735 Speaker 4: I've asked for approval but in this instance I don't 430 00:25:12,735 --> 00:25:15,375 Speaker 4: need it here and here's evidence that I comply with 431 00:25:15,455 --> 00:25:19,855 Speaker 4: the building code. Right, Or you're going to end up 432 00:25:19,975 --> 00:25:22,895 Speaker 4: having to submit for a building consent and again, hopefully 433 00:25:23,575 --> 00:25:27,295 Speaker 4: you know council is realistic and practical and go we 434 00:25:27,335 --> 00:25:30,375 Speaker 4: don't need massive amounts of specification, We don't need a 435 00:25:30,375 --> 00:25:32,935 Speaker 4: whole lot of information. We just need a brief description 436 00:25:33,015 --> 00:25:36,535 Speaker 4: of what it is that you're doing and go from there. So, yeah, 437 00:25:36,815 --> 00:25:39,415 Speaker 4: I think that's the process. And then the reason I asked, 438 00:25:39,415 --> 00:25:42,335 Speaker 4: do you intend to sort of sequence the work, let's say, 439 00:25:42,375 --> 00:25:44,815 Speaker 4: doing something every twelve months, is potentially you could get 440 00:25:44,855 --> 00:25:48,415 Speaker 4: a building consent for everything that you intend and then 441 00:25:48,775 --> 00:25:51,735 Speaker 4: just keep informing counsel that you'd like to extend the 442 00:25:51,735 --> 00:25:54,375 Speaker 4: building consent given the nature of it, rather than having 443 00:25:54,415 --> 00:25:56,295 Speaker 4: to get several building consents. 444 00:25:56,895 --> 00:25:59,895 Speaker 6: Yeah, because I was quite surprised, I did get somebody 445 00:25:59,935 --> 00:26:04,855 Speaker 6: to come and do a quote for me and to 446 00:26:04,935 --> 00:26:08,575 Speaker 6: get like blown into those should put in your consents 447 00:26:08,615 --> 00:26:12,495 Speaker 6: sort of something like around three hundred dollars to get 448 00:26:12,695 --> 00:26:13,855 Speaker 6: a different consent. 449 00:26:14,695 --> 00:26:17,855 Speaker 5: It's yeah, it could be two grande. 450 00:26:19,815 --> 00:26:21,095 Speaker 8: Tiny little place is what. 451 00:26:21,735 --> 00:26:25,895 Speaker 6: It's got three external walls and it's less than sixty 452 00:26:25,935 --> 00:26:26,655 Speaker 6: square meters. 453 00:26:26,695 --> 00:26:30,535 Speaker 4: The whole thing look like I can picture it. 454 00:26:30,615 --> 00:26:33,615 Speaker 6: Nearly too grand to start within. Everything else on top 455 00:26:33,735 --> 00:26:36,975 Speaker 6: is going to just make it to do and looks. 456 00:26:37,655 --> 00:26:40,615 Speaker 4: I mean, yours is a fantastic example of something that 457 00:26:40,695 --> 00:26:44,895 Speaker 4: I've been advocating for for a long time that it 458 00:26:44,935 --> 00:26:50,495 Speaker 4: given the pretty desperate need we have to finish insulating 459 00:26:50,535 --> 00:26:55,815 Speaker 4: houses that are uninsulated. You know that that putting the 460 00:26:56,415 --> 00:26:59,255 Speaker 4: barrier of a building consent there. I have no problem 461 00:26:59,255 --> 00:27:03,175 Speaker 4: with building consents, right, They're essential in terms of ensuring safety. 462 00:27:03,575 --> 00:27:06,935 Speaker 4: But in something like this that is so low risk, right, 463 00:27:07,015 --> 00:27:08,895 Speaker 4: I mean, your building has stood up for as long 464 00:27:08,935 --> 00:27:11,575 Speaker 4: as it's stood up, it's probably got little to know 465 00:27:11,815 --> 00:27:15,575 Speaker 4: bracing from the plaster board anyway. So if you were 466 00:27:15,615 --> 00:27:18,975 Speaker 4: to remove that lining, install insulation, which is a tremendous 467 00:27:19,015 --> 00:27:21,895 Speaker 4: benefit for the building, and then redo the plaster board 468 00:27:21,935 --> 00:27:25,015 Speaker 4: with modern plaster board, fix it off as a GS 469 00:27:25,135 --> 00:27:27,695 Speaker 4: one brace, which is the most basic type of bracing, 470 00:27:28,655 --> 00:27:32,775 Speaker 4: you will probably end up with. You know, it's a 471 00:27:32,855 --> 00:27:37,015 Speaker 4: much better building. You've you've helped the environment, You've you've 472 00:27:37,055 --> 00:27:39,775 Speaker 4: helped our road to carbon zero, all of these sorts 473 00:27:39,815 --> 00:27:41,735 Speaker 4: of things, and it shouldn't be a burden on you 474 00:27:41,775 --> 00:27:44,255 Speaker 4: to do that work. And having to get a consent 475 00:27:44,775 --> 00:27:47,535 Speaker 4: I think in this instance is such a burden on people. 476 00:27:48,935 --> 00:27:51,655 Speaker 4: But that doesn't change the reality of it, which is that. 477 00:27:51,615 --> 00:27:54,255 Speaker 6: It doesn't or do you hang out? 478 00:27:55,175 --> 00:27:58,135 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I was going to say, you know, 479 00:27:58,175 --> 00:27:59,895 Speaker 4: the other option is that you do look at some 480 00:27:59,975 --> 00:28:03,575 Speaker 4: of the blow and you know injected systems, which because 481 00:28:03,575 --> 00:28:07,375 Speaker 4: they're a proprietary system, they've they've got a methodology for 482 00:28:07,855 --> 00:28:10,775 Speaker 4: achieving a building consent, right, and so if it's been 483 00:28:10,855 --> 00:28:13,175 Speaker 4: brands appraised or if it's got code mark that sort 484 00:28:13,175 --> 00:28:15,615 Speaker 4: of thing, they can submit it to counsel. It's kind 485 00:28:15,615 --> 00:28:18,775 Speaker 4: of like a pro former type of building consent where 486 00:28:18,895 --> 00:28:21,015 Speaker 4: counsel looks at it goes, oh, yeah, we know what 487 00:28:21,055 --> 00:28:25,015 Speaker 4: we're doing, what they're doing, we understand the system, They 488 00:28:25,055 --> 00:28:27,055 Speaker 4: take care of the whole thing. They issue a statement 489 00:28:27,095 --> 00:28:29,815 Speaker 4: at the end, we'll give you a building consent. And 490 00:28:30,055 --> 00:28:33,415 Speaker 4: I've done that on one particular job. But I suppose 491 00:28:33,415 --> 00:28:36,255 Speaker 4: it's maybe worth looking at for you because it's going 492 00:28:36,295 --> 00:28:39,495 Speaker 4: to be more straightforward than having to go for your 493 00:28:39,575 --> 00:28:42,975 Speaker 4: own building consent and so on. But you know, there 494 00:28:43,055 --> 00:28:46,335 Speaker 4: might be other advantages in terms of for you, removing 495 00:28:46,335 --> 00:28:50,335 Speaker 4: the lining, upgrading that upgrading switches and that sort of thing, 496 00:28:50,415 --> 00:28:53,135 Speaker 4: and adding insulation and being able to see exactly where 497 00:28:53,135 --> 00:28:56,575 Speaker 4: the insulation goes. I think you've got a great handle 498 00:28:56,615 --> 00:28:58,415 Speaker 4: on it. I don't know that I can offer you 499 00:28:58,495 --> 00:29:00,695 Speaker 4: anything more than that, other than to say I will 500 00:29:00,775 --> 00:29:04,935 Speaker 4: continue to advocate to anyone in authority that's cares to 501 00:29:04,975 --> 00:29:09,335 Speaker 4: listen that we should ed this type of work to 502 00:29:09,335 --> 00:29:13,295 Speaker 4: to shoot you one of the building it okay, nice. 503 00:29:14,255 --> 00:29:18,335 Speaker 6: I'm sorry for your poor chap his tiling. I had 504 00:29:18,335 --> 00:29:21,855 Speaker 6: a problem. I had a problem and the house previous 505 00:29:22,015 --> 00:29:25,295 Speaker 6: the one I had where Chap said that he was 506 00:29:25,415 --> 00:29:32,575 Speaker 6: accredited installer of the waterproofing, and I asked for the 507 00:29:32,655 --> 00:29:35,335 Speaker 6: consent and he said, oh, you get it from the manufacturers. 508 00:29:35,335 --> 00:29:39,295 Speaker 6: And I got in touch with the manufacturers and noted 509 00:29:41,815 --> 00:29:44,055 Speaker 6: and he was remanded by a tile shop. 510 00:29:44,615 --> 00:29:45,615 Speaker 4: Oh that's not good. 511 00:29:46,095 --> 00:29:48,695 Speaker 6: I was new to New Zealand, I didn't know anybody, 512 00:29:48,735 --> 00:29:51,775 Speaker 6: and they recommended him. When I want to tell I 513 00:29:51,815 --> 00:29:54,495 Speaker 6: had to write a letter yes, saying as far as 514 00:29:54,495 --> 00:29:58,455 Speaker 6: I knew, it was all done to done how it 515 00:29:58,495 --> 00:30:02,055 Speaker 6: should be, and put that with the details when I 516 00:30:02,215 --> 00:30:04,215 Speaker 6: sold the place, and hope that it was all right. 517 00:30:05,295 --> 00:30:05,535 Speaker 4: Yep. 518 00:30:05,615 --> 00:30:09,055 Speaker 5: No, I understand with the plumber as well. 519 00:30:09,895 --> 00:30:12,255 Speaker 6: I couldn't get the consent off of him, so to 520 00:30:12,255 --> 00:30:18,335 Speaker 6: write a letter, so I thought he had. Yeah, he's 521 00:30:18,335 --> 00:30:21,535 Speaker 6: done most of the sinks and stuff. Yeah, properly, but 522 00:30:21,695 --> 00:30:23,695 Speaker 6: one think the cotton cold were. 523 00:30:23,575 --> 00:30:27,055 Speaker 5: On opposite side, right, Yeah, and he. 524 00:30:27,135 --> 00:30:29,815 Speaker 6: Dropped a tape measure down the toilet when he took 525 00:30:29,815 --> 00:30:33,255 Speaker 6: it out instead of blocking it off, it finds out 526 00:30:33,295 --> 00:30:38,455 Speaker 6: halfway under the slab. Yeah, so it wasn't best please 527 00:30:39,895 --> 00:30:43,495 Speaker 6: knowing any not knowing any trades in music, Yeah, it's hard, 528 00:30:43,895 --> 00:30:48,655 Speaker 6: went by people's recommendations and doesn't always get you anyway. 529 00:30:49,175 --> 00:30:51,015 Speaker 4: Hey, looked lovely to check with your mirror. All the 530 00:30:51,135 --> 00:30:54,895 Speaker 4: very best you take care, take care bothering. It is 531 00:30:54,935 --> 00:30:56,935 Speaker 4: six forty here at New Stalks. He'd be we are 532 00:30:56,975 --> 00:30:59,855 Speaker 4: beck with Ellen in just a moment. You and he'd 533 00:30:59,895 --> 00:31:03,175 Speaker 4: be people resident build up with you this morning. Taking 534 00:31:03,215 --> 00:31:05,655 Speaker 4: your calls quick text as well. Hey mate, we are 535 00:31:05,695 --> 00:31:08,095 Speaker 4: looking to build deck out from our patio which will 536 00:31:08,095 --> 00:31:11,095 Speaker 4: be overhanging our front lawn and probably three meters off 537 00:31:11,175 --> 00:31:13,855 Speaker 4: the ground. It's a split level property. Do we approach 538 00:31:13,895 --> 00:31:16,455 Speaker 4: a builder or an engineer or an architect? Just not 539 00:31:16,535 --> 00:31:18,735 Speaker 4: sure where to start as it's not a simple job. 540 00:31:18,895 --> 00:31:21,655 Speaker 4: Many thanks from Steve. You're absolutely right, Steve, it is 541 00:31:21,695 --> 00:31:25,255 Speaker 4: not a simple job, so you probably going to end 542 00:31:25,335 --> 00:31:29,295 Speaker 4: up engaging with all three because at three meters off 543 00:31:29,335 --> 00:31:35,255 Speaker 4: the ground, it definitely definitely requires a building consent. In 544 00:31:35,375 --> 00:31:38,095 Speaker 4: order to get a building consent, it will need a 545 00:31:38,135 --> 00:31:40,335 Speaker 4: set of plans, which might be drawn by an architect 546 00:31:40,375 --> 00:31:44,855 Speaker 4: or an architectural designer or a design LBP. Given the 547 00:31:44,895 --> 00:31:48,175 Speaker 4: complexity of it, they will probably want to consult with 548 00:31:48,215 --> 00:31:50,495 Speaker 4: an engineer and then ultimately you're going to need a 549 00:31:50,535 --> 00:31:53,775 Speaker 4: builder to build it. So in this case it's the 550 00:31:53,815 --> 00:31:56,655 Speaker 4: trifector buddy. You get all of them, but you definitely 551 00:31:56,855 --> 00:32:00,095 Speaker 4: need a building consent for that type of work. Alan 552 00:32:00,215 --> 00:32:01,135 Speaker 4: a very good morning. 553 00:32:02,175 --> 00:32:06,015 Speaker 9: Well hello. I mean I've originally moved to a place 554 00:32:06,055 --> 00:32:08,575 Speaker 9: that was built in the Landing forties in western Wellington. 555 00:32:09,935 --> 00:32:11,615 Speaker 9: I was going to ask about windows, but there's been 556 00:32:11,655 --> 00:32:15,055 Speaker 9: a very considerable earthquake here and I'm concerned that there's 557 00:32:15,055 --> 00:32:18,455 Speaker 9: a massive chimney. There's a wood burner. The chimney seems 558 00:32:18,495 --> 00:32:21,615 Speaker 9: to be about eight times bigger than what my parents 559 00:32:21,615 --> 00:32:23,815 Speaker 9: had to their house, right they had to open fire. 560 00:32:24,575 --> 00:32:27,055 Speaker 9: And the biggest earthquake hazard in this whole place is 561 00:32:27,095 --> 00:32:28,935 Speaker 9: this huge chimney. It looks like it's like five or 562 00:32:28,935 --> 00:32:31,375 Speaker 9: six feet high and three feet wide. Now, I was wondering, 563 00:32:32,055 --> 00:32:34,095 Speaker 9: I don't know why it's such a massive structure. Is 564 00:32:34,855 --> 00:32:38,015 Speaker 9: it feasible to reduce it to a smaller structure or 565 00:32:38,095 --> 00:32:39,695 Speaker 9: use pumice or some lightweight material. 566 00:32:41,575 --> 00:32:43,575 Speaker 4: Obviously you want to keep a wood burner. 567 00:32:45,175 --> 00:32:47,735 Speaker 9: Well, well, at the moments, well I'm not expecting to 568 00:32:47,735 --> 00:32:52,335 Speaker 9: stay here all that long, so so mainly just yeah, 569 00:32:52,455 --> 00:32:53,895 Speaker 9: I'll keep it for the meantime here. 570 00:32:54,255 --> 00:32:58,335 Speaker 4: Right, Look, I think you know christ Church and any 571 00:32:58,775 --> 00:33:01,815 Speaker 4: number of earthquakes have taught us that there is significant 572 00:33:01,815 --> 00:33:05,575 Speaker 4: hazards or hazard or risk associated with having chimneys, right 573 00:33:06,815 --> 00:33:10,015 Speaker 4: that when the ground starts to move and that starts 574 00:33:10,055 --> 00:33:12,415 Speaker 4: to oscillate, they tend to fall over, and when they 575 00:33:12,415 --> 00:33:15,375 Speaker 4: do fall over, they end up crashing through the roofs 576 00:33:15,415 --> 00:33:20,375 Speaker 4: and into the rooms below and around them. Right, So, look, 577 00:33:20,415 --> 00:33:23,295 Speaker 4: would it be a sensible precaution to remove it? Yes, 578 00:33:23,335 --> 00:33:27,215 Speaker 4: it probably would. Could you then upgrade the firebox and 579 00:33:27,255 --> 00:33:31,895 Speaker 4: put in something that has less emissions and perhaps has 580 00:33:31,935 --> 00:33:35,455 Speaker 4: a steel flu which has less risk if you could 581 00:33:36,615 --> 00:33:39,015 Speaker 4: do you have to know, there's no requirement to do it. 582 00:33:39,055 --> 00:33:40,855 Speaker 4: But if it's something and I can hear it in 583 00:33:40,855 --> 00:33:43,975 Speaker 4: your voice, it's a genuine concern. I would probably look 584 00:33:43,975 --> 00:33:47,015 Speaker 4: at that. I don't know that there's any great benefit 585 00:33:47,055 --> 00:33:50,015 Speaker 4: from a practical point of view of trying to reduce 586 00:33:50,095 --> 00:33:52,735 Speaker 4: the scale of it or anything like that. I've seen 587 00:33:52,775 --> 00:33:56,375 Speaker 4: a number of houses where they've taken if the chimney's 588 00:33:56,375 --> 00:34:01,495 Speaker 4: not in use, they'll take it down to below the roofline, 589 00:34:01,695 --> 00:34:05,255 Speaker 4: you know, so that it prevents that part. Often sometimes 590 00:34:05,295 --> 00:34:08,975 Speaker 4: they shear off at that junction and then tumble through 591 00:34:09,015 --> 00:34:13,735 Speaker 4: the roof. So that's one approach to take. I have 592 00:34:13,815 --> 00:34:16,455 Speaker 4: to go and check again. I wonder whether they're removed 593 00:34:16,495 --> 00:34:20,735 Speaker 4: in some cases, Removing a chimney may require a building 594 00:34:20,775 --> 00:34:24,055 Speaker 4: consent in some cases or almost in all cases. When 595 00:34:24,095 --> 00:34:26,895 Speaker 4: these houses were built, the chimney was built quite early on, 596 00:34:26,975 --> 00:34:29,455 Speaker 4: and then sometimes part of the roof framing is actually 597 00:34:29,495 --> 00:34:32,855 Speaker 4: attached to the chimney. And certainly I've seen floor joists 598 00:34:33,415 --> 00:34:36,855 Speaker 4: attached to chimneys that are built from the ground up, 599 00:34:36,935 --> 00:34:39,655 Speaker 4: through the floor up, through the building, through the ceiling 600 00:34:39,655 --> 00:34:40,055 Speaker 4: and so on. 601 00:34:42,255 --> 00:34:46,775 Speaker 9: Okay, it was certainly it's like a sort of democles 602 00:34:46,815 --> 00:34:51,895 Speaker 9: in this place. I mean, there's this huge structure. It's 603 00:34:51,935 --> 00:34:53,775 Speaker 9: just like it's just waiting to fall. If there's a 604 00:34:53,775 --> 00:34:55,695 Speaker 9: strong that birthquake. The other thing I was wondering about 605 00:34:55,735 --> 00:34:58,375 Speaker 9: is being an old place, it's got sass windows and 606 00:34:58,415 --> 00:35:01,455 Speaker 9: it's got French doors opening to a deck. Yes, so 607 00:35:01,495 --> 00:35:05,535 Speaker 9: the problem with them is there's no openable windows in 608 00:35:05,575 --> 00:35:08,295 Speaker 9: the rounge wh the French doors are. Is it practical 609 00:35:08,615 --> 00:35:11,015 Speaker 9: to turn one of those panels, the sixteen panels of 610 00:35:11,055 --> 00:35:13,535 Speaker 9: grass into a small openable window. 611 00:35:16,295 --> 00:35:20,655 Speaker 4: Well, it requires remaking of the sash. So for example, 612 00:35:20,695 --> 00:35:25,775 Speaker 4: if there's a fixed sash there, you could potentially take 613 00:35:25,815 --> 00:35:28,615 Speaker 4: that sash out and replace it with some opening ones. 614 00:35:29,495 --> 00:35:32,935 Speaker 4: It's not a little bit of work, but yeah, it 615 00:35:33,015 --> 00:35:33,615 Speaker 4: is doable. 616 00:35:34,135 --> 00:35:37,255 Speaker 9: What we without the opication was about actual sash windows. 617 00:35:37,415 --> 00:35:42,455 Speaker 9: I was wondering, is it feasible to Of course, it's 618 00:35:42,495 --> 00:35:45,775 Speaker 9: just a narrow, rectangular open a window at the top 619 00:35:45,975 --> 00:35:47,495 Speaker 9: part of the that window, the bit that doesn't go 620 00:35:47,615 --> 00:35:50,375 Speaker 9: up and down. Regarding these large sash windows and other rooms. 621 00:35:51,295 --> 00:35:53,575 Speaker 4: Oh so you've got double hung sashes and you're thinking 622 00:35:53,575 --> 00:35:58,655 Speaker 4: about changing that to a different type of window. 623 00:35:59,895 --> 00:36:02,175 Speaker 9: Yeah, Well, the problem is every window in this place 624 00:36:02,335 --> 00:36:05,175 Speaker 9: is like a door. The zero security. You can't sort 625 00:36:05,175 --> 00:36:08,535 Speaker 9: of lead a small window opens as ventilation, right, And 626 00:36:08,575 --> 00:36:10,975 Speaker 9: I wonder if if you look at a slash window, 627 00:36:11,455 --> 00:36:15,015 Speaker 9: there's a huge, big sort of square of glass that 628 00:36:15,095 --> 00:36:16,975 Speaker 9: doesn't move up and down at the top. I was 629 00:36:17,015 --> 00:36:20,975 Speaker 9: wondering if he segregated off the top narrow rectangle of 630 00:36:21,055 --> 00:36:24,495 Speaker 9: that glass and made that into an openable section, leaving 631 00:36:24,495 --> 00:36:28,735 Speaker 9: the sash operation thing in place, would that be feasible 632 00:36:29,575 --> 00:36:30,615 Speaker 9: a small event. 633 00:36:31,535 --> 00:36:34,295 Speaker 4: If it is actually a genuine double hung sash window. 634 00:36:34,615 --> 00:36:37,455 Speaker 4: I mean, I love them to bits because they do 635 00:36:37,535 --> 00:36:39,615 Speaker 4: exactly that if you get them working again. 636 00:36:40,535 --> 00:36:41,695 Speaker 9: Top one doesn't move up down. 637 00:36:41,935 --> 00:36:45,095 Speaker 4: Yeah, But if it is a double hung sash window 638 00:36:45,135 --> 00:36:47,135 Speaker 4: and it was made as a double hung sash window, 639 00:36:47,695 --> 00:36:50,135 Speaker 4: theoretically you should be able to loosen that up and 640 00:36:50,175 --> 00:36:52,455 Speaker 4: get it working again, in which case you can do 641 00:36:52,535 --> 00:36:55,575 Speaker 4: exactly what you want is lower the top sash down 642 00:36:55,695 --> 00:36:57,255 Speaker 4: maybe sixty or seventy five. 643 00:36:58,735 --> 00:37:00,615 Speaker 9: Sorry, the top one doesn't move. 644 00:37:00,615 --> 00:37:02,335 Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I'm with you. 645 00:37:02,375 --> 00:37:04,375 Speaker 9: Only the low one, yeah, the top one. I just 646 00:37:04,375 --> 00:37:07,935 Speaker 9: wanted to create a smaller opening when dough because the 647 00:37:07,975 --> 00:37:10,775 Speaker 9: sash window, if you're in another room, someone can just 648 00:37:10,775 --> 00:37:11,655 Speaker 9: walk straight through it, you know. 649 00:37:12,175 --> 00:37:13,015 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you. 650 00:37:13,575 --> 00:37:14,775 Speaker 9: There's no security with it. 651 00:37:16,175 --> 00:37:21,615 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, everything is possible. Sorry, we're getting 652 00:37:21,615 --> 00:37:23,735 Speaker 4: some really bad refurb so I'll just put you hold 653 00:37:23,775 --> 00:37:28,215 Speaker 4: for a second. Ele the look everything is possible, but 654 00:37:28,815 --> 00:37:31,335 Speaker 4: you know, you might find that the process is actually 655 00:37:31,895 --> 00:37:38,895 Speaker 4: quite intricate and quite expensive. So yes, you could remove 656 00:37:38,935 --> 00:37:42,975 Speaker 4: a fixed sash, install an opening sash, put in essentially 657 00:37:43,015 --> 00:37:49,135 Speaker 4: like a fan light into that top space. But it's 658 00:37:49,175 --> 00:37:52,375 Speaker 4: just not a simple solution. Unfortunately doable, but a little 659 00:37:52,375 --> 00:37:54,735 Speaker 4: bit complex, and I think once you delve into it, 660 00:37:54,735 --> 00:37:57,175 Speaker 4: you might find that it's just not worth the effort. 661 00:37:57,615 --> 00:38:00,215 Speaker 4: Security stays on regular sash windows might be a more 662 00:38:00,215 --> 00:38:03,335 Speaker 4: straightforward solution. Good luck with that, all the best and 663 00:38:03,375 --> 00:38:05,295 Speaker 4: hope everything's all right for you and Wellington O eight 664 00:38:05,295 --> 00:38:07,135 Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty ten eighty the number of call 665 00:38:07,215 --> 00:38:12,815 Speaker 4: D A very good morning to you. Hello D. Hello. 666 00:38:14,815 --> 00:38:18,255 Speaker 10: I live in christ Church and I'm having a water 667 00:38:18,375 --> 00:38:23,975 Speaker 10: problem right. I have a small art gallery in my 668 00:38:24,415 --> 00:38:28,775 Speaker 10: garden and I have a lot of neighbors. I am 669 00:38:28,815 --> 00:38:32,055 Speaker 10: actually now our house in the middle of a lot 670 00:38:32,135 --> 00:38:39,295 Speaker 10: of new buildings. Yes, everybody who's bought one of these 671 00:38:39,375 --> 00:38:44,135 Speaker 10: new buildings thinks the rules are quite different, so they're 672 00:38:44,175 --> 00:38:49,455 Speaker 10: all making up what do we do next? And the 673 00:38:49,495 --> 00:38:53,775 Speaker 10: problem for me is that with the help of an 674 00:38:53,815 --> 00:38:55,575 Speaker 10: age concerned builder. 675 00:38:55,855 --> 00:38:56,215 Speaker 5: I have. 676 00:38:57,975 --> 00:39:02,935 Speaker 10: Got the inside of my little gallery fixed so that 677 00:39:02,975 --> 00:39:06,055 Speaker 10: the water doesn't come through. But the water does come 678 00:39:06,095 --> 00:39:11,495 Speaker 10: through because the outside has been compromised. It's very, very wet, 679 00:39:13,175 --> 00:39:15,855 Speaker 10: and I think the water is coming through from next door. 680 00:39:16,015 --> 00:39:21,455 Speaker 10: But that's an issue we've got to chase up through 681 00:39:21,495 --> 00:39:30,615 Speaker 10: the another avenue. I noticed that somebody else who's building 682 00:39:30,695 --> 00:39:35,415 Speaker 10: next door is putting up some very thin and it 683 00:39:35,495 --> 00:39:39,415 Speaker 10: looks like permanent material on the outside of their house. 684 00:39:40,215 --> 00:39:42,935 Speaker 10: And I wonder if that sort of stuff, if you 685 00:39:42,975 --> 00:39:46,855 Speaker 10: could tell me what it's possibly is, would be good 686 00:39:46,935 --> 00:39:49,255 Speaker 10: on the outside of my gallery to solve the water 687 00:39:49,335 --> 00:39:49,935 Speaker 10: coming through. 688 00:39:51,375 --> 00:39:56,415 Speaker 4: So your gallery, is it a freestanding structure in your backyard? 689 00:39:57,535 --> 00:40:00,495 Speaker 10: Yes, it is. It's a tiny little it's about the 690 00:40:00,535 --> 00:40:04,695 Speaker 10: side of the side of a garage, and the inside 691 00:40:04,815 --> 00:40:09,255 Speaker 10: is all right at the moment, okay, outside. 692 00:40:08,975 --> 00:40:11,455 Speaker 4: I'll tell you what. I've let myself go too long 693 00:40:11,495 --> 00:40:13,735 Speaker 4: without taking a break, which is my problem, not yours. 694 00:40:13,775 --> 00:40:15,935 Speaker 4: But can you just wait on the line and then 695 00:40:15,935 --> 00:40:17,855 Speaker 4: we'll come back to you in just a moment, your 696 00:40:17,975 --> 00:40:20,135 Speaker 4: new sorts. It'd be if you've got a question of 697 00:40:20,175 --> 00:40:23,375 Speaker 4: a building nature. Oh eight hundred eighty is that number 698 00:40:23,415 --> 00:40:25,575 Speaker 4: to call. Just before the break, we were talking with 699 00:40:25,695 --> 00:40:28,215 Speaker 4: D who had an issue with a little studio in 700 00:40:28,255 --> 00:40:32,775 Speaker 4: your back garden. D can you just run me through? 701 00:40:32,935 --> 00:40:36,015 Speaker 4: So the building's completely self contained, like it's it's its 702 00:40:36,015 --> 00:40:38,655 Speaker 4: own little structure. When you say you're getting water in 703 00:40:38,735 --> 00:40:40,775 Speaker 4: it is the water coming up through the ground or 704 00:40:40,815 --> 00:40:42,535 Speaker 4: is it coming in through the sides of the building. 705 00:40:44,135 --> 00:40:46,535 Speaker 10: I think it's coming in through the sides of the building. 706 00:40:46,815 --> 00:40:47,055 Speaker 4: Okay. 707 00:40:47,135 --> 00:40:51,095 Speaker 10: The building made of breeze blocks. 708 00:40:50,775 --> 00:40:58,055 Speaker 4: Yes, okay, yep? Are they painted on the outside? Are 709 00:40:58,095 --> 00:41:00,935 Speaker 4: the breeze blocks painted on the outside? 710 00:41:03,415 --> 00:41:06,295 Speaker 10: Not so sure because it's sort of coming off. It's 711 00:41:06,375 --> 00:41:09,815 Speaker 10: of the met right, have looked on the outside and 712 00:41:10,335 --> 00:41:20,255 Speaker 10: actually see holes where where the cracks between the blocks are, So. 713 00:41:21,455 --> 00:41:27,215 Speaker 7: Yes, look right, I should put over that. 714 00:41:28,095 --> 00:41:30,175 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean I don't know that you necessarily, 715 00:41:30,215 --> 00:41:32,335 Speaker 4: you know, if it's as obvious as what you're describing, 716 00:41:32,415 --> 00:41:35,615 Speaker 4: then I think having someone come through either with a 717 00:41:35,655 --> 00:41:40,295 Speaker 4: flexible ceilant or with some adhesive grout or something like that, 718 00:41:40,615 --> 00:41:43,735 Speaker 4: filling those gaps and then cleaning the outside and putting 719 00:41:43,775 --> 00:41:46,935 Speaker 4: a decent coat of paint on the outside. For the 720 00:41:47,055 --> 00:41:49,455 Speaker 4: type of building that it is, is probably going to 721 00:41:49,495 --> 00:41:52,535 Speaker 4: be enough, right, if it's reasonably elevated, it's not soaking 722 00:41:52,615 --> 00:41:55,415 Speaker 4: up moisture from the ground. If it's got a you know, 723 00:41:55,615 --> 00:41:58,175 Speaker 4: serviceable roof on it, then I think the issues are 724 00:41:58,175 --> 00:42:01,815 Speaker 4: probably around moisture. It's simply saturating the block, which it 725 00:42:01,895 --> 00:42:05,415 Speaker 4: will do if it's completely unsealed or partly unsealed. So 726 00:42:05,895 --> 00:42:09,295 Speaker 4: I think, you know, repairing any of those gaps and 727 00:42:09,335 --> 00:42:12,695 Speaker 4: cracks and then giving a coat of paint, that's probably 728 00:42:12,735 --> 00:42:19,375 Speaker 4: your solution, right, it doesn't let's not try and make 729 00:42:19,415 --> 00:42:22,295 Speaker 4: a really complicated solution where there doesn't need to be 730 00:42:22,335 --> 00:42:22,895 Speaker 4: able to do. 731 00:42:22,855 --> 00:42:29,455 Speaker 10: It myself, at arrange it to be done myself. Yeah, 732 00:42:29,655 --> 00:42:31,975 Speaker 10: So have you any suggestions to what. 733 00:42:33,655 --> 00:42:36,895 Speaker 4: Who you would need to get? I mean you could potentially, 734 00:42:37,255 --> 00:42:42,175 Speaker 4: well a reasonably competent painter should be able to assess 735 00:42:42,215 --> 00:42:46,295 Speaker 4: it and then go, okay, look this is what we 736 00:42:46,295 --> 00:42:48,215 Speaker 4: can use. Depending on the size of the gaps that 737 00:42:48,295 --> 00:42:51,695 Speaker 4: might be there, we can go through and do that 738 00:42:52,015 --> 00:42:56,495 Speaker 4: and then you know, strip off any or sand back 739 00:42:56,935 --> 00:43:00,735 Speaker 4: or prepare any loose material on the outside, give it 740 00:43:00,815 --> 00:43:04,095 Speaker 4: a coat of sealant that it needs, a key coat 741 00:43:04,215 --> 00:43:07,335 Speaker 4: onto the breeze block, and then like I'd go two 742 00:43:07,335 --> 00:43:10,255 Speaker 4: coats of X two hundred, which is a water proof 743 00:43:10,335 --> 00:43:16,055 Speaker 4: or water resistant paint and designed for exterior masonry, and 744 00:43:16,095 --> 00:43:18,655 Speaker 4: that should give you it. So I think if you 745 00:43:18,695 --> 00:43:21,895 Speaker 4: can find a reasonably competent painter, I think that'd be 746 00:43:21,935 --> 00:43:22,735 Speaker 4: the way to go deep. 747 00:43:23,855 --> 00:43:25,815 Speaker 10: That's a good idea. 748 00:43:25,815 --> 00:43:27,735 Speaker 4: All right, all the very best to you. I hope 749 00:43:27,775 --> 00:43:30,615 Speaker 4: it all works out. Okay, Oh eight hundred eighty ten 750 00:43:30,735 --> 00:43:33,095 Speaker 4: eighty is the number to call. Hey Glenn, good morning 751 00:43:33,135 --> 00:43:34,615 Speaker 4: to you. 752 00:43:34,615 --> 00:43:35,975 Speaker 8: You get how are you going today? 753 00:43:36,055 --> 00:43:36,935 Speaker 4: Yeah? Good, thanks buddy. 754 00:43:38,495 --> 00:43:41,495 Speaker 8: So we want to look, we've just put a swimming 755 00:43:41,495 --> 00:43:46,095 Speaker 8: pool in and we want to like a like I 756 00:43:46,095 --> 00:43:47,815 Speaker 8: don't know if it's a poolhouse or just like an 757 00:43:47,815 --> 00:43:51,895 Speaker 8: area you can chill out. It may like three side 758 00:43:52,455 --> 00:43:54,855 Speaker 8: three sides and are opening in the front soet you know, 759 00:43:54,975 --> 00:43:57,495 Speaker 8: you can get away from the sun. Do we need 760 00:43:57,495 --> 00:44:00,775 Speaker 8: a building consent for that or no? 761 00:44:01,055 --> 00:44:03,695 Speaker 4: It's possible that you may not need one. So what 762 00:44:03,735 --> 00:44:06,935 Speaker 4: I'm thinking is obviously it's going to be you know, 763 00:44:07,015 --> 00:44:10,735 Speaker 4: somewhere between ten fifteen square meters in size. 764 00:44:10,735 --> 00:44:14,335 Speaker 8: So if we like two panels wide, you know, like 765 00:44:14,375 --> 00:44:16,455 Speaker 8: two fence pannels wide. So we're going to take two 766 00:44:16,495 --> 00:44:19,775 Speaker 8: out and put it so you can walk into the 767 00:44:19,895 --> 00:44:22,695 Speaker 8: inside of the pool, yep, into that little area. 768 00:44:22,815 --> 00:44:27,255 Speaker 4: Yes, I think that where it would probably trigger a 769 00:44:27,295 --> 00:44:31,375 Speaker 4: requirement technically for a building consent would be its proximity 770 00:44:31,415 --> 00:44:36,575 Speaker 4: to the boundary. So if it is more than if 771 00:44:36,615 --> 00:44:39,335 Speaker 4: it's more than its height away from the boundary, then 772 00:44:39,375 --> 00:44:43,015 Speaker 4: typically you don't need a building consent for that, right yep. 773 00:44:43,215 --> 00:44:45,055 Speaker 4: So as long as you can you can do that, 774 00:44:45,215 --> 00:44:48,575 Speaker 4: just make sure it's far enough away, then no, I 775 00:44:48,855 --> 00:44:51,975 Speaker 4: don't think it'll need a building consent. And also if 776 00:44:51,975 --> 00:44:55,055 Speaker 4: it's going to be effectively it's a purglar right right 777 00:44:55,255 --> 00:44:58,015 Speaker 4: with some closed in sides. It's not like it's a 778 00:44:58,055 --> 00:44:59,895 Speaker 4: completely encompassed building. 779 00:45:00,935 --> 00:45:03,015 Speaker 8: No, because even if we took the panels out and 780 00:45:03,095 --> 00:45:07,295 Speaker 8: relocated them to the back, it's still been closed in 781 00:45:07,375 --> 00:45:09,615 Speaker 8: that rules around the swimming pool. 782 00:45:09,735 --> 00:45:13,255 Speaker 4: Yeah, so no, I don't think so. And as long 783 00:45:13,295 --> 00:45:15,335 Speaker 4: as I suppose, the other thing that you've got to 784 00:45:15,375 --> 00:45:18,495 Speaker 4: be conscious of is you don't want it to inadvertently 785 00:45:19,135 --> 00:45:21,615 Speaker 4: mean that your pool's not compliant in terms of the 786 00:45:21,655 --> 00:45:25,255 Speaker 4: Pool Fencing Act, so that it's not close to the 787 00:45:25,255 --> 00:45:29,135 Speaker 4: fence and climbable or something like that. So there's a 788 00:45:29,175 --> 00:45:30,655 Speaker 4: couple of other considerations there. 789 00:45:31,735 --> 00:45:37,255 Speaker 8: Oh yeah, okay, that's cool. And that guy was to 790 00:45:37,295 --> 00:45:41,855 Speaker 8: do the tiling if he's got a stainless saying, your 791 00:45:41,895 --> 00:45:44,375 Speaker 8: best way is probably to look at like your auto 792 00:45:44,495 --> 00:45:49,455 Speaker 8: soul and to bring your think out that clishing stuff, 793 00:45:49,615 --> 00:45:50,975 Speaker 8: because it's quite good. 794 00:45:52,615 --> 00:45:53,735 Speaker 4: I think I've seen that around. 795 00:45:53,815 --> 00:45:57,895 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, sold them like like rip coos and stuff. 796 00:45:58,095 --> 00:46:00,535 Speaker 8: And yeah, we had the same problem with him to 797 00:46:00,535 --> 00:46:03,135 Speaker 8: do with a roof when because we relocated a house 798 00:46:03,175 --> 00:46:04,375 Speaker 8: and after a house fire. 799 00:46:04,535 --> 00:46:06,695 Speaker 5: Yes, and it was done with and we it in. 800 00:46:06,655 --> 00:46:09,135 Speaker 8: A whole year of a whole lot of help from 801 00:46:09,175 --> 00:46:10,975 Speaker 8: the day that it burnt down to the day we 802 00:46:11,015 --> 00:46:15,015 Speaker 8: got back and was in a year. And but we're 803 00:46:15,095 --> 00:46:16,975 Speaker 8: that with a roof that we paid up a lot 804 00:46:17,015 --> 00:46:19,655 Speaker 8: of money and the money went and the roofs never 805 00:46:19,695 --> 00:46:19,975 Speaker 8: went on. 806 00:46:22,375 --> 00:46:27,215 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we'll keep out there there unfortunately. Yep. 807 00:46:28,015 --> 00:46:30,175 Speaker 8: Yeah, so I know what he's going through. But yeah, 808 00:46:30,375 --> 00:46:32,175 Speaker 8: town devil, look at that all those so can there 809 00:46:32,175 --> 00:46:33,335 Speaker 8: from rep and stuff. 810 00:46:33,415 --> 00:46:35,855 Speaker 4: Brilliant. Appreciate it, Glenn. All the very best to you. 811 00:46:36,575 --> 00:46:39,335 Speaker 4: Take care alright, all the best. Eight hundred and eighty 812 00:46:39,335 --> 00:46:40,775 Speaker 4: ten eight. We're gonna take a break. Then we're going 813 00:46:40,815 --> 00:46:42,935 Speaker 4: to talk to Jim. If you've got a question, eight 814 00:46:43,015 --> 00:46:45,735 Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Also 815 00:46:46,015 --> 00:46:49,295 Speaker 4: in at around seven thirty this morning, Darren from Metro 816 00:46:49,375 --> 00:46:52,975 Speaker 4: Performance Glass. We're going to talk safety glass, why it's important, 817 00:46:53,015 --> 00:46:56,295 Speaker 4: what it is, how to identify it, like you know, 818 00:46:56,295 --> 00:46:58,575 Speaker 4: if you're unsure as to whether or not you might 819 00:46:58,895 --> 00:47:01,935 Speaker 4: need it or it would be good to have. How 820 00:47:01,935 --> 00:47:04,615 Speaker 4: do you identify safety glass from other glass for example. 821 00:47:04,815 --> 00:47:07,055 Speaker 4: So we'll be talking about that with Darren from Metro 822 00:47:07,095 --> 00:47:11,575 Speaker 4: Performance Class around seven thirty this morning. You're you're the 823 00:47:11,615 --> 00:47:13,975 Speaker 4: new Stalks b Pete wolf Camp resident build up with 824 00:47:14,015 --> 00:47:16,095 Speaker 4: you this morning if you've got a question, Oh, eight 825 00:47:16,215 --> 00:47:19,175 Speaker 4: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. 826 00:47:19,255 --> 00:47:23,095 Speaker 7: Get a Jim good I paid just a quick one 827 00:47:23,135 --> 00:47:27,575 Speaker 7: for you. I've got a hardy plank with a crack 828 00:47:27,655 --> 00:47:32,295 Speaker 7: and it's the bottom plank. The crackers top to bottom, 829 00:47:33,095 --> 00:47:36,975 Speaker 7: about a meter in from the corner. It doesn't seem 830 00:47:37,055 --> 00:47:41,255 Speaker 7: to open or close. It's been there for a year, 831 00:47:41,375 --> 00:47:44,655 Speaker 7: but it's been a puddle to me for all this time. 832 00:47:47,055 --> 00:47:49,495 Speaker 4: I mean, look, sometimes they crack, and it might have 833 00:47:49,575 --> 00:47:51,655 Speaker 4: cracked because of the way it was installed. All those 834 00:47:51,735 --> 00:47:54,335 Speaker 4: years ago and it just happens to have moved now. 835 00:47:54,975 --> 00:47:58,975 Speaker 4: So in typically a small crack like that, you know, 836 00:47:59,295 --> 00:48:01,015 Speaker 4: it might get a little bit of water in there, 837 00:48:01,055 --> 00:48:04,655 Speaker 4: but chances are not that much to cause any issues 838 00:48:04,695 --> 00:48:09,335 Speaker 4: if you're concerned about it standably you are. You know, 839 00:48:09,375 --> 00:48:11,655 Speaker 4: there's there's not a lot that you can use to 840 00:48:11,775 --> 00:48:15,455 Speaker 4: actually adhere or bond to it. But if you wanted to, 841 00:48:16,095 --> 00:48:18,295 Speaker 4: I would. I would sort of send and prep the area, 842 00:48:18,335 --> 00:48:20,255 Speaker 4: clean it up, and if you wanted to do do 843 00:48:20,575 --> 00:48:26,215 Speaker 4: a bead of flexible adhesive sealant. So some seilants have it. Yeah, 844 00:48:26,295 --> 00:48:30,295 Speaker 4: they have an adhesive element to them as well, so 845 00:48:30,415 --> 00:48:35,615 Speaker 4: something like fix all right, so yeah, hold fast, fix 846 00:48:35,655 --> 00:48:39,295 Speaker 4: all that'll work really well. I'd put a bead of 847 00:48:39,335 --> 00:48:42,495 Speaker 4: that into it. You know, if you really wanted to, 848 00:48:42,535 --> 00:48:44,615 Speaker 4: you could sort of make the crack slightly bigger if 849 00:48:44,615 --> 00:48:47,655 Speaker 4: you want to, with a sharp knife, and they then 850 00:48:47,775 --> 00:48:50,455 Speaker 4: put a bead of sealant into there and then paint 851 00:48:50,495 --> 00:48:52,895 Speaker 4: over it. The other approach, and I've done this on 852 00:48:52,895 --> 00:48:56,375 Speaker 4: a few houses. Was where they had extensive crack, well 853 00:48:56,455 --> 00:48:59,855 Speaker 4: extensive you know, like twenty or thirty around the entire building. 854 00:49:00,375 --> 00:49:02,655 Speaker 4: Is I actually just had flashings made up, and I 855 00:49:02,775 --> 00:49:05,975 Speaker 4: simply if it's a it's a flat faced weatherboard. I 856 00:49:05,975 --> 00:49:08,975 Speaker 4: simply we had a flashing made up like a soaker, 857 00:49:09,415 --> 00:49:12,175 Speaker 4: and I just put so over the top of them. 858 00:49:12,695 --> 00:49:15,815 Speaker 7: When you make up a fleshing like that, do you 859 00:49:15,895 --> 00:49:17,855 Speaker 7: have a return at the bottom edge of it? 860 00:49:17,895 --> 00:49:20,815 Speaker 4: And so just tucks it. No, I didn't. It didn't 861 00:49:20,935 --> 00:49:23,135 Speaker 4: loop around. So it's just like an L shaped right. 862 00:49:23,335 --> 00:49:25,775 Speaker 4: So it was just a way of putting something over 863 00:49:25,815 --> 00:49:29,695 Speaker 4: the face of the weather board to diflict. Deflict the 864 00:49:29,735 --> 00:49:33,375 Speaker 4: water away from that area and it and you know, 865 00:49:33,455 --> 00:49:35,895 Speaker 4: it just tucks up underneath the other weather board. Doesn't 866 00:49:35,935 --> 00:49:37,415 Speaker 4: have to be a it doesn't have to have an 867 00:49:37,535 --> 00:49:39,775 Speaker 4: L a J like, it doesn't have to have a 868 00:49:39,815 --> 00:49:42,295 Speaker 4: hook at the bottom. It tucks up, just came down 869 00:49:42,415 --> 00:49:46,815 Speaker 4: and then returned back. And that was a kind of 870 00:49:47,215 --> 00:49:52,815 Speaker 4: sensible way of dealing with those. It allowed movement, but 871 00:49:52,975 --> 00:49:55,415 Speaker 4: it just stopped water entering into that gap. 872 00:49:56,495 --> 00:49:56,895 Speaker 7: It's good. 873 00:49:57,255 --> 00:50:00,615 Speaker 4: Yes, a couple of options there, yepkay, right, but don't 874 00:50:01,975 --> 00:50:05,495 Speaker 4: all the best take care okay. By by oh, eight 875 00:50:05,615 --> 00:50:08,015 Speaker 4: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call 876 00:50:08,095 --> 00:50:09,215 Speaker 4: if you've got a building question. 877 00:50:09,335 --> 00:50:15,215 Speaker 11: Keith, good morning, Yeah, Hi, pete question is we have 878 00:50:15,935 --> 00:50:20,815 Speaker 11: a old Michelangelo ceiling tiles, yes, in our kitchen dining room, 879 00:50:21,015 --> 00:50:26,735 Speaker 11: and they suffered water damage. I've had quotes to replace 880 00:50:26,935 --> 00:50:32,175 Speaker 11: them or to have the ceilings jibbed YEP. One quote 881 00:50:32,575 --> 00:50:35,215 Speaker 11: is putting batons on and then putting the jib onto 882 00:50:35,255 --> 00:50:38,335 Speaker 11: the batons over the tile, and the other ones just 883 00:50:38,415 --> 00:50:43,615 Speaker 11: jipping straight over the tile. And so I'm wondering which 884 00:50:43,655 --> 00:50:45,815 Speaker 11: is a better option or does it make any difference 885 00:50:45,815 --> 00:50:47,335 Speaker 11: whether you put the batons up or not. 886 00:50:49,775 --> 00:50:53,335 Speaker 4: I suppose that the if they were using, for example, 887 00:50:53,415 --> 00:50:55,935 Speaker 4: Rondo bettons, which are the metal batons right, which are 888 00:50:55,975 --> 00:51:00,775 Speaker 4: part of the jib system, then you know, if there's 889 00:51:00,775 --> 00:51:03,815 Speaker 4: some unevenness in the ceiling, they'd be able to pack 890 00:51:03,895 --> 00:51:05,615 Speaker 4: them down a little bit. So typically, if you watch 891 00:51:05,695 --> 00:51:11,135 Speaker 4: guys putting battening systems nowadays, they'll set up a rotary laser. 892 00:51:11,495 --> 00:51:14,135 Speaker 4: They'll go round, do their perimeter that'll be spot on 893 00:51:14,495 --> 00:51:17,015 Speaker 4: dead level around the building, and then you put your 894 00:51:17,015 --> 00:51:19,095 Speaker 4: batons in and you can adjust them up and down 895 00:51:19,095 --> 00:51:21,055 Speaker 4: with a clip or a packer and then have the 896 00:51:21,135 --> 00:51:24,455 Speaker 4: ceiling absolutely flat, and then you fix your plaster board 897 00:51:24,535 --> 00:51:28,015 Speaker 4: to that. So I guess by doing that you get 898 00:51:28,055 --> 00:51:33,455 Speaker 4: the benefit of it hopefully being dead flat, and as 899 00:51:33,495 --> 00:51:36,495 Speaker 4: long as those clips then have got secure fastening, because 900 00:51:36,535 --> 00:51:39,735 Speaker 4: typically those clips are attached or those batons are attached 901 00:51:39,775 --> 00:51:42,775 Speaker 4: by a clip to the underside of the joist unless 902 00:51:42,775 --> 00:51:48,535 Speaker 4: they're direct fixed right. So the biggest issue with putting 903 00:51:48,615 --> 00:51:51,855 Speaker 4: a new lining underneath an existing one is making sure 904 00:51:51,855 --> 00:51:55,135 Speaker 4: that the fixings are right. So if, for example, the 905 00:51:55,135 --> 00:51:58,095 Speaker 4: contractor decides just to fix the plaster board to the 906 00:51:58,175 --> 00:52:02,695 Speaker 4: underside of the existing Michelangelo tiles, typically the Michelangelo tiles 907 00:52:02,735 --> 00:52:06,215 Speaker 4: are onto like a forty x twenty or a two 908 00:52:06,415 --> 00:52:09,415 Speaker 4: by one baton, which is fixed to the underside of 909 00:52:09,415 --> 00:52:14,575 Speaker 4: the joist, so and they run just Typically they run 910 00:52:15,055 --> 00:52:18,135 Speaker 4: parallel to the longest length of the tile, so the 911 00:52:18,215 --> 00:52:21,935 Speaker 4: tiles are six hundred by three hundred roughly, so along 912 00:52:22,015 --> 00:52:25,335 Speaker 4: those every three hundred millimeters there will be a row 913 00:52:25,375 --> 00:52:29,095 Speaker 4: of batons that the Mchelangelo tiles are fixed to, so 914 00:52:29,375 --> 00:52:32,815 Speaker 4: as long as the contractor is able to screw fix 915 00:52:32,895 --> 00:52:36,295 Speaker 4: into those. The other thing is that if you're direct fixing, 916 00:52:36,535 --> 00:52:40,615 Speaker 4: I just lining straight undneath Angelo tiles. You could put 917 00:52:40,655 --> 00:52:43,815 Speaker 4: some adhesive onto the Michelangelo tiles, but you're only bonding 918 00:52:43,815 --> 00:52:46,615 Speaker 4: them to something that's not particularly well fixed because those 919 00:52:46,815 --> 00:52:50,375 Speaker 4: Michelangelo tiles just go on with a staple, right, So 920 00:52:50,735 --> 00:52:53,415 Speaker 4: what you wouldn't want to do is stick your plasterboard 921 00:52:53,535 --> 00:52:55,815 Speaker 4: to the underside of the Michelangelo and have the whole 922 00:52:55,855 --> 00:52:58,415 Speaker 4: thing come down because it's all all the staples out. 923 00:52:58,855 --> 00:53:00,495 Speaker 4: So you just got to make sure that they're fixing 924 00:53:00,615 --> 00:53:05,935 Speaker 4: all the way through into the timber batons beyond. 925 00:53:06,895 --> 00:53:07,935 Speaker 11: Okay. 926 00:53:08,095 --> 00:53:10,495 Speaker 4: So either way is okay, as long as you know 927 00:53:10,615 --> 00:53:16,535 Speaker 4: what the risks are with both methodologies. Yes, yeah, for me, 928 00:53:18,615 --> 00:53:21,855 Speaker 4: all the best take care. It brings back. I was 929 00:53:21,855 --> 00:53:24,175 Speaker 4: going to say triggering, but that's overused these days. I 930 00:53:24,255 --> 00:53:26,655 Speaker 4: did a garage one time when I was a very 931 00:53:26,695 --> 00:53:32,055 Speaker 4: young chippy. Garage downstairs and so, you know, internal access 932 00:53:32,095 --> 00:53:34,535 Speaker 4: garage that had just been left with the choice, and 933 00:53:34,575 --> 00:53:36,415 Speaker 4: it didn't have a ceiling in it, and the person said, 934 00:53:36,455 --> 00:53:39,695 Speaker 4: we'd like to put a ceiling into it. So and 935 00:53:39,815 --> 00:53:42,175 Speaker 4: I want to use Michelangelo tiles because they're elsewhere in 936 00:53:42,215 --> 00:53:44,695 Speaker 4: the house. It's got to be more than thirty years ago. 937 00:53:47,775 --> 00:53:50,975 Speaker 4: And I got battens tuober one batons and I had 938 00:53:50,975 --> 00:53:53,415 Speaker 4: to nail them into these joys, which were probably twenty 939 00:53:53,495 --> 00:53:56,095 Speaker 4: or thirty years old already. And this was before you 940 00:53:56,095 --> 00:53:58,335 Speaker 4: had nail guns, certainly before you had screw guns and 941 00:53:58,375 --> 00:54:00,495 Speaker 4: all the rest of it. So I don't know a 942 00:54:00,615 --> 00:54:07,135 Speaker 4: day of nailing battens up by hand. It was a 943 00:54:07,215 --> 00:54:11,175 Speaker 4: learning experience. Let's say, into timber that was certainly getting 944 00:54:11,175 --> 00:54:14,095 Speaker 4: pretty hard. Anyway, then you do them, and then you 945 00:54:14,135 --> 00:54:18,575 Speaker 4: go around with the Michlangelo tiles and staple them up. Job. 946 00:54:18,615 --> 00:54:20,655 Speaker 4: Still there still looks okay to be fair. Oh, eight 947 00:54:20,735 --> 00:54:22,535 Speaker 4: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call 948 00:54:22,615 --> 00:54:26,975 Speaker 4: Scott a very good morning to you get a Scott. 949 00:54:27,295 --> 00:54:29,295 Speaker 12: Hello, Scott, Hello, Pate. 950 00:54:29,375 --> 00:54:31,415 Speaker 4: How are you get a good thank you? In yourself? 951 00:54:32,455 --> 00:54:35,455 Speaker 12: God? God, I rang you about a year ago about 952 00:54:35,455 --> 00:54:38,735 Speaker 12: a house that my father owns in Hamilton. Yes, that's 953 00:54:38,775 --> 00:54:40,895 Speaker 12: got wooden shingles. 954 00:54:40,375 --> 00:54:41,855 Speaker 4: Oh yeah on the roof, yep. 955 00:54:42,575 --> 00:54:45,255 Speaker 12: Yeah. And we had a we had an estimate to 956 00:54:45,735 --> 00:54:46,135 Speaker 12: fix it. 957 00:54:46,815 --> 00:54:47,015 Speaker 4: Right. 958 00:54:47,335 --> 00:54:49,095 Speaker 12: I couldn't get it. I couldn't get it across the 959 00:54:49,095 --> 00:54:52,135 Speaker 12: line with the family, which was surprising, but anyway, that 960 00:54:52,335 --> 00:54:54,335 Speaker 12: was how it was. And then the carpenter ran away 961 00:54:54,335 --> 00:54:59,095 Speaker 12: because he thought it was too much work. I'm just 962 00:54:59,175 --> 00:55:02,175 Speaker 12: going revisiting that now because we have to get it done. Yep, 963 00:55:02,695 --> 00:55:04,855 Speaker 12: it would need a consent because we've got to change 964 00:55:04,895 --> 00:55:08,455 Speaker 12: the tiling on the road from wooden shingles to ten 965 00:55:09,175 --> 00:55:12,575 Speaker 12: right or does that sound right to you? 966 00:55:12,895 --> 00:55:15,855 Speaker 4: Yes? I would. I would say it triggers the requirement 967 00:55:15,895 --> 00:55:21,135 Speaker 4: for a building consent because it's not maintenance like for like, No. 968 00:55:21,015 --> 00:55:23,775 Speaker 12: That's right. And then so to get a consent, what's 969 00:55:23,815 --> 00:55:26,815 Speaker 12: the best way to do that for a man that's 970 00:55:26,855 --> 00:55:30,335 Speaker 12: not into into the building game himself, but we'll want 971 00:55:30,375 --> 00:55:30,775 Speaker 12: to get. 972 00:55:30,655 --> 00:55:34,015 Speaker 4: It done consents. In order to get a consent, you 973 00:55:34,055 --> 00:55:38,735 Speaker 4: need to set submit a set of plans. You can 974 00:55:38,855 --> 00:55:42,135 Speaker 4: only plans can only be drawn for building consent by 975 00:55:42,175 --> 00:55:46,495 Speaker 4: people who are licensed designers, an LBP designer, which might 976 00:55:46,495 --> 00:55:48,895 Speaker 4: be an architect, might be an architectural designer in some 977 00:55:48,975 --> 00:55:53,895 Speaker 4: cases people who are just LBP designers. So they'll need 978 00:55:53,935 --> 00:55:58,215 Speaker 4: to do a drawing. They'll need to show the methodology 979 00:55:58,295 --> 00:56:01,975 Speaker 4: for it, which I would imagine is going to be 980 00:56:02,295 --> 00:56:06,295 Speaker 4: that you'll remove the existing shingles back down to the plywood. 981 00:56:07,135 --> 00:56:08,255 Speaker 4: Then you're going to have to know. 982 00:56:10,015 --> 00:56:16,375 Speaker 12: It's it's done on battons, yes, no, yes, battens with 983 00:56:16,495 --> 00:56:20,095 Speaker 12: building paper and then and then good rafters, and all 984 00:56:20,535 --> 00:56:25,015 Speaker 12: the rafters all within the code. But the batons and 985 00:56:25,055 --> 00:56:28,335 Speaker 12: the battons. There's heaps of battons and it's all pretty pretty, 986 00:56:28,415 --> 00:56:32,535 Speaker 12: pretty dry and good up in there. Yeah, you said 987 00:56:32,575 --> 00:56:35,535 Speaker 12: you have to put extra baton in here, a little 988 00:56:35,535 --> 00:56:37,215 Speaker 12: bit more than there to get to the code. 989 00:56:37,895 --> 00:56:40,095 Speaker 4: No, I think what you'll find is that the batons 990 00:56:40,135 --> 00:56:43,095 Speaker 4: will not meet the requirements of the building Code. So 991 00:56:43,215 --> 00:56:44,615 Speaker 4: typically pearlins. 992 00:56:45,815 --> 00:56:48,495 Speaker 12: You have to put the extra peerlins and then extra 993 00:56:48,535 --> 00:56:51,455 Speaker 12: bits of what thens can stay there, but you have 994 00:56:51,495 --> 00:56:52,335 Speaker 12: to beef it all up. 995 00:56:52,615 --> 00:56:55,815 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, so you basically ignore the existing batons. 996 00:56:55,855 --> 00:56:58,375 Speaker 4: You do you repearl in the roof, you'll have to 997 00:56:58,375 --> 00:57:05,335 Speaker 4: redo all of the valleys to allow for you know, yeah, 998 00:57:05,615 --> 00:57:08,815 Speaker 4: you'll end up read doing the valleys, probably doing all 999 00:57:08,855 --> 00:57:11,215 Speaker 4: the perlins, which will probably mean that you have to 1000 00:57:11,335 --> 00:57:16,175 Speaker 4: end up right raising the facia and bargeboards around the 1001 00:57:16,175 --> 00:57:19,815 Speaker 4: building as well. Then you can do your new roofing 1002 00:57:19,975 --> 00:57:23,775 Speaker 4: with a roofing underlay, and you probably end up having 1003 00:57:23,815 --> 00:57:26,415 Speaker 4: to lift up all of your spouting as well, because 1004 00:57:26,415 --> 00:57:29,895 Speaker 4: you'll find that your roof now will be considerably higher 1005 00:57:30,695 --> 00:57:32,575 Speaker 4: than where it was and that the water will just 1006 00:57:32,615 --> 00:57:34,935 Speaker 4: shoot over the top of your spouting. If you don't 1007 00:57:34,975 --> 00:57:36,895 Speaker 4: address the spouting at the same time. 1008 00:57:37,695 --> 00:57:39,255 Speaker 12: That's why spout all the spout is. 1009 00:57:41,615 --> 00:57:43,175 Speaker 4: Yeah, it needs to be replaced anywhere. 1010 00:57:43,455 --> 00:57:46,375 Speaker 12: Yeah yeah, right right round most of the roof that 1011 00:57:48,415 --> 00:57:54,735 Speaker 12: like a a baranda like it flattens out for averend rover. 1012 00:57:54,815 --> 00:57:58,295 Speaker 12: Hang gotcha, Yeah, it's not. It's not a bulldoze. It's 1013 00:57:58,335 --> 00:58:01,575 Speaker 12: not a bull nose one, the flat one and so 1014 00:58:01,655 --> 00:58:04,255 Speaker 12: that that then they talked about they're lifting out the 1015 00:58:04,855 --> 00:58:07,175 Speaker 12: changing there, but that's all it always think get changed 1016 00:58:07,215 --> 00:58:07,735 Speaker 12: anyway back. 1017 00:58:07,775 --> 00:58:10,175 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's it's going to be a recently 1018 00:58:10,335 --> 00:58:13,695 Speaker 4: significant job. By the time you remove the tiles, adding 1019 00:58:13,775 --> 00:58:17,055 Speaker 4: the new perlins, put the iron on, it'll need to 1020 00:58:17,095 --> 00:58:19,495 Speaker 4: have edge protection or scaffolding all the way around it. 1021 00:58:20,575 --> 00:58:25,015 Speaker 4: You need to have an inspection. Possibly counsel might ask 1022 00:58:25,255 --> 00:58:28,775 Speaker 4: you to look at the fixings of the rafters to 1023 00:58:28,895 --> 00:58:32,215 Speaker 4: the top plate and just ensure that they comply with 1024 00:58:32,255 --> 00:58:37,535 Speaker 4: the code. The other thing is it is it going 1025 00:58:37,575 --> 00:58:40,375 Speaker 4: to be an opportunity for you to check the insulation 1026 00:58:40,655 --> 00:58:43,295 Speaker 4: that might be in the ceiling space as well, that 1027 00:58:43,535 --> 00:58:47,415 Speaker 4: that possibly has been inaccessible or. 1028 00:58:49,055 --> 00:58:51,175 Speaker 12: That's beauty of that's the beauty. That's got a huge 1029 00:58:51,535 --> 00:58:53,815 Speaker 12: it's got a huge open ceiling space. 1030 00:58:53,855 --> 00:58:55,015 Speaker 4: Okay, that's cool. 1031 00:58:55,535 --> 00:59:00,775 Speaker 12: That's probably twelve foot high. You know, down slopes down obviously, 1032 00:59:00,815 --> 00:59:03,495 Speaker 12: but it's very easy accessible, and it heats up and 1033 00:59:03,575 --> 00:59:06,495 Speaker 12: drives out and does all that sort of stuff. What 1034 00:59:06,615 --> 00:59:08,895 Speaker 12: you've probably put new pink bats and while you're there 1035 00:59:08,895 --> 00:59:12,615 Speaker 12: and get little sort of you Okay, well you a 1036 00:59:12,655 --> 00:59:16,255 Speaker 12: new new new not building payment, but the new type 1037 00:59:16,255 --> 00:59:18,015 Speaker 12: of building paper would god in the tone, wouldn't they? 1038 00:59:19,015 --> 00:59:23,615 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you could make it much better as well 1039 00:59:23,655 --> 00:59:29,255 Speaker 4: by introducing cavity and ventilation and and so on into 1040 00:59:29,295 --> 00:59:32,375 Speaker 4: the roof space. But I also don't want to make 1041 00:59:32,415 --> 00:59:35,415 Speaker 4: it way more complicated than it needs to be. Although 1042 00:59:35,415 --> 00:59:38,135 Speaker 4: there are some benefits to that, so I'm telling you 1043 00:59:38,175 --> 00:59:40,815 Speaker 4: that there are also some there's some new thinking about 1044 00:59:40,855 --> 00:59:44,175 Speaker 4: how we construct our roofs to make them even more efficient, 1045 00:59:44,295 --> 00:59:46,975 Speaker 4: let's say, And you might want to look at some 1046 00:59:47,095 --> 00:59:51,335 Speaker 4: of that, but look, it's all going to need a consent. 1047 00:59:51,415 --> 00:59:53,015 Speaker 4: And in order to get a consent, you need to 1048 00:59:53,015 --> 00:59:54,735 Speaker 4: have someone draw you a set of plans. 1049 00:59:55,895 --> 00:59:58,935 Speaker 12: Yeah, and that's a that's an LBP designer or architect type. 1050 00:59:59,015 --> 01:00:03,455 Speaker 4: Yes, So typically people who are architects or architectural designers 1051 01:00:03,455 --> 01:00:08,375 Speaker 4: in New Zealand pretty much automatic. We are registered as lbps. 1052 01:00:08,735 --> 01:00:11,415 Speaker 4: There are a small number of people that have LBP 1053 01:00:11,615 --> 01:00:14,175 Speaker 4: design licenses who may not be either an architect or 1054 01:00:14,175 --> 01:00:17,255 Speaker 4: an architectural designer, but either way, the only people that 1055 01:00:17,295 --> 01:00:20,055 Speaker 4: are allowed to submit plans now for a building content 1056 01:00:20,135 --> 01:00:21,735 Speaker 4: are those who have those licenses. 1057 01:00:23,055 --> 01:00:25,695 Speaker 12: Cool. And then so if you had the plan, if 1058 01:00:25,735 --> 01:00:28,375 Speaker 12: you could find your original plans for the house, that 1059 01:00:28,415 --> 01:00:29,135 Speaker 12: would be great. 1060 01:00:29,535 --> 01:00:31,495 Speaker 4: Yes, that will save a lot of time. 1061 01:00:32,535 --> 01:00:35,575 Speaker 12: Would they be sitting in council if you did a 1062 01:00:35,615 --> 01:00:36,295 Speaker 12: LIMB report. 1063 01:00:36,775 --> 01:00:38,815 Speaker 4: You won't get them for a LIMB report, but you 1064 01:00:38,935 --> 01:00:42,895 Speaker 4: can ask for the property file from council and that 1065 01:00:43,015 --> 01:00:45,495 Speaker 4: will have all of the information that council have. And 1066 01:00:46,055 --> 01:00:49,855 Speaker 4: more and more councils have moved to digitize all of 1067 01:00:49,895 --> 01:00:53,015 Speaker 4: their records so it becomes a slightly more straightforward process. 1068 01:00:53,055 --> 01:00:57,615 Speaker 4: Now it might cost about seventy hour dollars to request 1069 01:00:57,615 --> 01:01:01,415 Speaker 4: that from the council, but it's very worthwhile. Yeah, there's 1070 01:01:01,615 --> 01:01:02,735 Speaker 4: a lot of money when Yeah it does. 1071 01:01:03,015 --> 01:01:07,175 Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, because my father got the house built 1072 01:01:07,895 --> 01:01:11,215 Speaker 12: like way back, so yes, plans has plans that relate 1073 01:01:11,255 --> 01:01:11,855 Speaker 12: to that house. 1074 01:01:11,895 --> 01:01:16,135 Speaker 4: So so yeah, and I don't know whether in your 1075 01:01:16,175 --> 01:01:19,375 Speaker 4: own sort of archives you've got the original copies of 1076 01:01:19,415 --> 01:01:21,455 Speaker 4: the building consent. If you do that, it's great, I 1077 01:01:21,455 --> 01:01:22,295 Speaker 4: don't need to eat. 1078 01:01:22,575 --> 01:01:23,055 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1079 01:01:23,135 --> 01:01:29,695 Speaker 4: Look, most of the time, chances of finding that not 1080 01:01:29,775 --> 01:01:30,895 Speaker 4: that not that easy. 1081 01:01:31,055 --> 01:01:33,775 Speaker 12: Often no, but the propertly fathers the high chance that 1082 01:01:33,815 --> 01:01:34,815 Speaker 12: they'll be in there, won't they. 1083 01:01:35,455 --> 01:01:37,855 Speaker 4: Yes, if it's been submitted for a building consent, then 1084 01:01:37,895 --> 01:01:40,975 Speaker 4: council should have it and hopefully by now they've digitized it. 1085 01:01:41,015 --> 01:01:44,095 Speaker 4: So that's where you go to. Good luck with the process. 1086 01:01:45,135 --> 01:01:47,735 Speaker 4: Thank you very much, mate, all the very best to you. 1087 01:01:47,735 --> 01:01:50,175 Speaker 4: You take care, see Scott you and news Talk said 1088 01:01:50,175 --> 01:01:52,095 Speaker 4: b if you've got a question of a building nature, 1089 01:01:52,135 --> 01:01:53,935 Speaker 4: you can call us right now, oh eight hundred and 1090 01:01:53,975 --> 01:01:56,975 Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty. In a couple of minutes, we're going 1091 01:01:56,975 --> 01:02:00,575 Speaker 4: to be joined by Darren Valentine from Metro Performance Class 1092 01:02:00,615 --> 01:02:03,815 Speaker 4: from part of the Red Trofit division talking about safety 1093 01:02:03,855 --> 01:02:06,695 Speaker 4: glass in what it is in whits And and so 1094 01:02:06,735 --> 01:02:08,295 Speaker 4: we'll be doing that in just to my first up 1095 01:02:08,335 --> 01:02:09,815 Speaker 4: quick call from you, Mike, how are you. 1096 01:02:12,415 --> 01:02:12,535 Speaker 12: Hey? 1097 01:02:12,615 --> 01:02:15,695 Speaker 13: Thanks, I've written down the question. So we're consideringly purchasing 1098 01:02:15,695 --> 01:02:18,415 Speaker 13: a property built in the nineteen sixties, but in nineteen 1099 01:02:18,455 --> 01:02:22,295 Speaker 13: ninety three, a double garage and entry entry way extension 1100 01:02:22,895 --> 01:02:26,855 Speaker 13: including a significant still being it was installed. It's got 1101 01:02:26,855 --> 01:02:29,175 Speaker 13: building consent record on the limb, but it doesn't have 1102 01:02:29,215 --> 01:02:32,255 Speaker 13: the CCC sign off. It seems that wasn't so unusual 1103 01:02:32,255 --> 01:02:34,535 Speaker 13: about the time, because they changed the permits to consents 1104 01:02:34,535 --> 01:02:37,495 Speaker 13: in ninety two. We've got a recent engineers report that 1105 01:02:37,575 --> 01:02:39,695 Speaker 13: indicates the work appairs to have been completed to the 1106 01:02:39,775 --> 01:02:43,335 Speaker 13: plans and therefore to consent standard, and a final inspection 1107 01:02:43,455 --> 01:02:45,335 Speaker 13: is booked with the council, but they probably won't do 1108 01:02:45,375 --> 01:02:51,455 Speaker 13: it in person until before the action takes place. We do, 1109 01:02:52,295 --> 01:02:57,175 Speaker 13: but we do believe that there are sufficient standards and 1110 01:02:57,215 --> 01:03:00,615 Speaker 13: plates for them to be able to approve of CCC. 1111 01:03:01,215 --> 01:03:03,575 Speaker 13: But this record check won't be done before the option. 1112 01:03:03,695 --> 01:03:05,175 Speaker 13: So how much risk will we be taking with it? 1113 01:03:06,335 --> 01:03:11,135 Speaker 4: You're the potential purchaser of the property, correct, And it's 1114 01:03:11,135 --> 01:03:13,695 Speaker 4: hard with options because you can't put conditions in. Can 1115 01:03:13,775 --> 01:03:16,975 Speaker 4: you like if it was a you know, by by 1116 01:03:17,015 --> 01:03:19,935 Speaker 4: agreement or by negotiation, you could add in a condition 1117 01:03:20,015 --> 01:03:24,615 Speaker 4: to your sale and purchase agreement whereby the we will 1118 01:03:24,695 --> 01:03:28,575 Speaker 4: proceed with settlement on the basis that the vendor achieves 1119 01:03:28,735 --> 01:03:32,215 Speaker 4: CCC or a CoA Certificate of acceptance, but you can't 1120 01:03:32,295 --> 01:03:33,095 Speaker 4: do that with an option. 1121 01:03:35,535 --> 01:03:38,455 Speaker 13: Yes, we understand. So the engineer's report indicates the work 1122 01:03:38,495 --> 01:03:41,775 Speaker 13: appears to have conclude the plan sure to standard and 1123 01:03:42,095 --> 01:03:45,415 Speaker 13: he seems to be he's been for a previous inspection, 1124 01:03:45,495 --> 01:03:47,135 Speaker 13: but he'd have to write it all up and all 1125 01:03:47,135 --> 01:03:49,495 Speaker 13: the rest of it. So it's about it's about getting 1126 01:03:49,535 --> 01:03:53,375 Speaker 13: a c CC or equivalency to give yourself to Surety. 1127 01:03:53,695 --> 01:04:01,655 Speaker 4: Yeah, in recent experience in this area, would would make 1128 01:04:01,775 --> 01:04:05,975 Speaker 4: me cautious, just in terms of feeling confident that if 1129 01:04:05,975 --> 01:04:08,855 Speaker 4: you all of the evidence to counsel or counsel will 1130 01:04:08,935 --> 01:04:12,655 Speaker 4: then issue you with either a CCC, which I think 1131 01:04:12,735 --> 01:04:15,615 Speaker 4: is probably a bit unlikely because that it's going back 1132 01:04:15,655 --> 01:04:20,335 Speaker 4: a while, they'll have some concerns around it. There's the 1133 01:04:20,415 --> 01:04:23,455 Speaker 4: possibility that the inspector when they finally get to the 1134 01:04:23,495 --> 01:04:26,975 Speaker 4: site will find other things that you may not be 1135 01:04:27,055 --> 01:04:31,335 Speaker 4: aware of that they will then add into you know, 1136 01:04:31,975 --> 01:04:36,175 Speaker 4: they might fail a final inspection because they've seen something 1137 01:04:36,255 --> 01:04:38,575 Speaker 4: else that you haven't identified, in which case you've got 1138 01:04:38,615 --> 01:04:43,015 Speaker 4: more problems to deal with. And also it still might 1139 01:04:43,095 --> 01:04:47,855 Speaker 4: be quite a process in order to achieve either a CCC. 1140 01:04:48,015 --> 01:04:52,535 Speaker 4: So look, I can't give you specific advice on this, 1141 01:04:53,575 --> 01:04:56,975 Speaker 4: but you can hear in my voice I am quite 1142 01:04:57,015 --> 01:05:00,735 Speaker 4: cautious around these things. Now it is not as straightforward 1143 01:05:00,735 --> 01:05:02,575 Speaker 4: as it used to be, if it ever was. 1144 01:05:07,615 --> 01:05:10,255 Speaker 13: The biggest implications. 1145 01:05:11,655 --> 01:05:14,535 Speaker 4: I guess, like you know, lots and lots of properties 1146 01:05:14,575 --> 01:05:17,775 Speaker 4: get sold across the country all of the time without 1147 01:05:17,855 --> 01:05:22,175 Speaker 4: having you know, buildings that don't have CCC right or 1148 01:05:22,215 --> 01:05:26,295 Speaker 4: have have work that hasn't been signed off. The biggest 1149 01:05:26,295 --> 01:05:31,215 Speaker 4: issue becomes sometimes insurance. So if you are open and 1150 01:05:31,335 --> 01:05:34,175 Speaker 4: transparent with your insurer and say to them it doesn't 1151 01:05:34,175 --> 01:05:38,655 Speaker 4: have either a CCC or a CoA, they may have 1152 01:05:38,735 --> 01:05:42,095 Speaker 4: some reluctance to ensure. Reluctance to ensure also means that 1153 01:05:42,255 --> 01:05:46,775 Speaker 4: finances is challenging. So I've heard that those things are 1154 01:05:46,815 --> 01:05:50,375 Speaker 4: starting to happen and are more commonplace. And also it 1155 01:05:50,535 --> 01:05:53,255 Speaker 4: ends up leaving you in the position of the current vendor, 1156 01:05:53,335 --> 01:05:55,415 Speaker 4: which is, should you put the property back on the 1157 01:05:55,415 --> 01:05:58,215 Speaker 4: market and you haven't resolved all of these issues, you 1158 01:05:58,335 --> 01:06:01,775 Speaker 4: then have you know, there is the reluctance from the 1159 01:06:01,815 --> 01:06:04,815 Speaker 4: next purchaser to purchase your property because of it. So 1160 01:06:04,895 --> 01:06:06,655 Speaker 4: though those tend to be beguition. 1161 01:06:07,935 --> 01:06:09,615 Speaker 13: So so that makes entire stents and just a really 1162 01:06:09,695 --> 01:06:14,775 Speaker 13: quick followup question, if you decide to rectify or get 1163 01:06:14,775 --> 01:06:17,655 Speaker 13: it to a standard ie expos everything, you know, do 1164 01:06:17,775 --> 01:06:20,215 Speaker 13: some more work or whatever it is in your experience, 1165 01:06:20,335 --> 01:06:23,055 Speaker 13: has that always required going back almost a start state 1166 01:06:23,295 --> 01:06:25,855 Speaker 13: or are there things that you can do kind of 1167 01:06:26,015 --> 01:06:29,135 Speaker 13: trans three between to allow you to get it to 1168 01:06:29,135 --> 01:06:31,895 Speaker 13: a standard by where actually you get the consent or 1169 01:06:31,935 --> 01:06:33,775 Speaker 13: get a consent, do you have to actually go back 1170 01:06:33,775 --> 01:06:34,375 Speaker 13: to start state? 1171 01:06:34,455 --> 01:06:37,135 Speaker 4: Or when you say start state, isn't like strip all 1172 01:06:37,175 --> 01:06:39,855 Speaker 4: the lining off and all the rest of it. No, 1173 01:06:40,775 --> 01:06:46,615 Speaker 4: that would be really unusual, to be fair, But it 1174 01:06:46,655 --> 01:06:49,375 Speaker 4: does pay in this instance to get some really good 1175 01:06:49,415 --> 01:06:52,695 Speaker 4: advice and have someone argue for you. So, whether that's 1176 01:06:52,735 --> 01:06:55,895 Speaker 4: the engineer that you've engaged, whether it's going to a 1177 01:06:56,015 --> 01:07:00,615 Speaker 4: registered building survey, someone like that who understands the law 1178 01:07:00,815 --> 01:07:05,495 Speaker 4: and can push back sometimes on council. You know, I 1179 01:07:05,535 --> 01:07:08,255 Speaker 4: think that would be money well spent for you if 1180 01:07:08,295 --> 01:07:10,255 Speaker 4: you're going to argue it. But again, you know what 1181 01:07:10,295 --> 01:07:12,975 Speaker 4: you're talking about now is more risk in the in 1182 01:07:13,055 --> 01:07:16,935 Speaker 4: the purchase and then potentially expenditure that you might not 1183 01:07:16,935 --> 01:07:24,175 Speaker 4: have been expecting going forward all right, Hey, good luck 1184 01:07:24,175 --> 01:07:26,455 Speaker 4: with it all, all right, thank you very much. Yeah, 1185 01:07:26,495 --> 01:07:31,175 Speaker 4: take care. I just wonder whether the issue is actually 1186 01:07:31,255 --> 01:07:36,055 Speaker 4: around having to purchase at auction by negotiation, you could 1187 01:07:36,095 --> 01:07:38,655 Speaker 4: add in a whole bunch of other conditions, interesting one, 1188 01:07:38,695 --> 01:07:42,415 Speaker 4: fascinating one, fascinating one. Just before we talk to Darren, 1189 01:07:42,455 --> 01:07:45,895 Speaker 4: who's waiting on the line. Pete loved the show, Thank 1190 01:07:45,895 --> 01:07:48,455 Speaker 4: you very much. Curious questions. What's happening to the blockhouses 1191 01:07:48,495 --> 01:07:52,055 Speaker 4: intended for this year's canceled series? Christine, very good point. 1192 01:07:52,535 --> 01:07:55,775 Speaker 4: They will go on the market. I think guys are 1193 01:07:55,815 --> 01:07:58,535 Speaker 4: finishing them fairly soon as it happens. Oh eight, one 1194 01:07:58,575 --> 01:08:00,895 Speaker 4: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. 1195 01:08:00,975 --> 01:08:03,655 Speaker 4: We'll take your calls shortly. But right now, it is 1196 01:08:03,655 --> 01:08:05,695 Speaker 4: my great pleasure to welcome to the show for the 1197 01:08:05,775 --> 01:08:10,055 Speaker 4: first time, actually, Darren Valentine from the good people at 1198 01:08:10,135 --> 01:08:12,575 Speaker 4: Metro Performance Glass A very good morning to you, Darren. 1199 01:08:12,575 --> 01:08:15,015 Speaker 5: How are you hi, Peter, I'm well. 1200 01:08:15,055 --> 01:08:15,815 Speaker 2: I hope you are too. 1201 01:08:15,895 --> 01:08:18,215 Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, and thanks for jumping in so really 1202 01:08:18,255 --> 01:08:20,775 Speaker 4: appreciate it. Love the connection that we have with Metro. 1203 01:08:21,375 --> 01:08:23,975 Speaker 4: And I was going to sort of frame part of 1204 01:08:24,015 --> 01:08:28,455 Speaker 4: this discussion with a memory that doesn't leave me, which 1205 01:08:28,575 --> 01:08:31,255 Speaker 4: was when we were at school, which was back in 1206 01:08:31,295 --> 01:08:34,015 Speaker 4: the eighties, and there was a bunch of us rough 1207 01:08:34,015 --> 01:08:35,775 Speaker 4: housing and running around and that sort of thing. And 1208 01:08:35,815 --> 01:08:38,135 Speaker 4: one of the guys was chasing another guy and he 1209 01:08:38,255 --> 01:08:41,015 Speaker 4: chased him through the doors to the gym and it 1210 01:08:41,095 --> 01:08:43,215 Speaker 4: was a swinging door and it swung back and he 1211 01:08:43,255 --> 01:08:45,295 Speaker 4: put his hands up and he went straight through the 1212 01:08:45,335 --> 01:08:50,855 Speaker 4: glass right and it chattered into really sharp shards. And 1213 01:08:50,895 --> 01:08:53,055 Speaker 4: then when he freaked out and pulled his arms back, 1214 01:08:53,415 --> 01:08:56,615 Speaker 4: he did quite a bit of damage. And I guess 1215 01:08:56,775 --> 01:08:59,055 Speaker 4: looking at that, and I've always gone back to that 1216 01:08:59,135 --> 01:09:01,615 Speaker 4: whenever people go why do I need safety glass? And 1217 01:09:01,615 --> 01:09:04,975 Speaker 4: I go, that's why you need safety glass. So tell 1218 01:09:05,055 --> 01:09:08,695 Speaker 4: us a little bit more about what safety glasses and 1219 01:09:08,735 --> 01:09:09,895 Speaker 4: why it's so important. 1220 01:09:11,535 --> 01:09:14,615 Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, I mean in a residential building in New Zealand, 1221 01:09:14,735 --> 01:09:20,655 Speaker 2: there's two main types of safety glass used. There's tempered 1222 01:09:20,815 --> 01:09:23,775 Speaker 2: or tough and glass. And that glass is put through 1223 01:09:23,775 --> 01:09:26,775 Speaker 2: a furnace. It's seated up to a very high temperature 1224 01:09:26,815 --> 01:09:31,175 Speaker 2: then suddenly cooled and that process does two things festival 1225 01:09:31,215 --> 01:09:33,415 Speaker 2: and actually makes that glass around about four to five 1226 01:09:33,495 --> 01:09:36,975 Speaker 2: times stronger than the glass that went into the furnace, yes, 1227 01:09:37,855 --> 01:09:41,015 Speaker 2: but most importantly exactly what you were talking about, and 1228 01:09:41,295 --> 01:09:44,015 Speaker 2: those of us of a certain vintage who remember those, 1229 01:09:45,415 --> 01:09:51,095 Speaker 2: I'm glad you're sort of around that. But when that 1230 01:09:51,175 --> 01:09:55,055 Speaker 2: tough and glass breaks, it breaks into fragments rather than 1231 01:09:55,415 --> 01:09:58,815 Speaker 2: shards and makes a chance of any serious injury. 1232 01:09:59,935 --> 01:10:00,375 Speaker 8: Very low. 1233 01:10:00,495 --> 01:10:03,855 Speaker 2: And I don't know again, going back ortage, you dropped 1234 01:10:03,855 --> 01:10:07,695 Speaker 2: an rock cup on the hard surface, it shattered into 1235 01:10:07,735 --> 01:10:10,335 Speaker 2: all these little fragments. That's what you're looking at. Was 1236 01:10:10,695 --> 01:10:12,175 Speaker 2: tempered or tough glass. 1237 01:10:12,455 --> 01:10:12,735 Speaker 4: Right. 1238 01:10:12,895 --> 01:10:15,415 Speaker 2: The other one that tip we get used is laminate. 1239 01:10:16,175 --> 01:10:19,295 Speaker 2: Tends to get used of people wanting to cut down 1240 01:10:19,335 --> 01:10:21,455 Speaker 2: on a bit of laminate coming up laminate a bit 1241 01:10:21,495 --> 01:10:24,775 Speaker 2: of you coming through their windows or acoustic and so 1242 01:10:24,855 --> 01:10:27,775 Speaker 2: what that is. That's two bits of glass with a 1243 01:10:28,135 --> 01:10:32,695 Speaker 2: soft interlade they're bonded onto. It still breaks into those 1244 01:10:32,735 --> 01:10:36,015 Speaker 2: shards that you mentioned earlier on but then hold talk 1245 01:10:36,095 --> 01:10:40,255 Speaker 2: together as one panel and again doesn't do the damage 1246 01:10:40,295 --> 01:10:43,015 Speaker 2: that standard glass does. 1247 01:10:43,015 --> 01:10:45,015 Speaker 4: Right, which might be a little bit more like windscreen 1248 01:10:45,055 --> 01:10:45,895 Speaker 4: glass for example. 1249 01:10:46,935 --> 01:10:47,215 Speaker 12: Correct. 1250 01:10:47,335 --> 01:10:50,175 Speaker 2: Yes, So again one of the advantages for that is 1251 01:10:50,375 --> 01:10:52,695 Speaker 2: something goes through your windscreen, then you don't have a 1252 01:10:52,695 --> 01:10:54,615 Speaker 2: whole lot of glass flying in your face. 1253 01:10:55,175 --> 01:10:57,095 Speaker 5: Now it does make it hard to see though. 1254 01:10:57,255 --> 01:11:02,895 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely so. In terms of like there are a 1255 01:11:03,015 --> 01:11:07,055 Speaker 4: number of requirements within New Zealand standards within building code 1256 01:11:07,255 --> 01:11:11,175 Speaker 4: around where you need safety glass, and it does get 1257 01:11:11,255 --> 01:11:15,815 Speaker 4: reasonably complex for homeowners. What's the best process in terms 1258 01:11:15,815 --> 01:11:17,735 Speaker 4: of understanding where I need it and where do I 1259 01:11:17,775 --> 01:11:20,895 Speaker 4: get advice on where I need it? 1260 01:11:21,095 --> 01:11:24,615 Speaker 2: It depends on the level of the information you need. 1261 01:11:25,415 --> 01:11:27,655 Speaker 2: Let's you're just wanting someone to actually do it on 1262 01:11:27,655 --> 01:11:29,415 Speaker 2: an auto pilot for you. So if you're doing a 1263 01:11:29,455 --> 01:11:34,975 Speaker 2: retrofit and the lights does, consults can certainly help out 1264 01:11:35,015 --> 01:11:43,815 Speaker 2: there a lot. They know where because that's actable, so 1265 01:11:43,935 --> 01:11:48,655 Speaker 2: they were glass and safety glass needs to go. Also 1266 01:11:49,095 --> 01:11:56,895 Speaker 2: they know bit more sources of information. Yeah, and that's 1267 01:11:56,935 --> 01:12:02,015 Speaker 2: your body, it's wagging and that's a putong. The website 1268 01:12:02,055 --> 01:12:09,655 Speaker 2: that you can go through our answers all sense point 1269 01:12:09,695 --> 01:12:15,295 Speaker 2: true and it's actually a document's to downlow. So depending 1270 01:12:15,295 --> 01:12:15,615 Speaker 2: on you. 1271 01:12:17,415 --> 01:12:23,095 Speaker 4: Tweeting Darren, I tell you what can I just ask 1272 01:12:23,135 --> 01:12:25,175 Speaker 4: you to hold for a moment where I'm starting to 1273 01:12:25,215 --> 01:12:27,895 Speaker 4: have some issues in terms of the connection. We're going 1274 01:12:27,975 --> 01:12:29,495 Speaker 4: to just pop you back on hold. We're going to 1275 01:12:29,495 --> 01:12:31,775 Speaker 4: play the break and we'll try and get you back 1276 01:12:31,815 --> 01:12:33,815 Speaker 4: on a new line in just a second. Hold on there, 1277 01:12:35,055 --> 01:12:39,135 Speaker 4: Radio Darren from Metro Performance Glass is with us this morning. 1278 01:12:39,175 --> 01:12:40,935 Speaker 4: Thanks very much for holding on. We just want to 1279 01:12:40,935 --> 01:12:43,455 Speaker 4: try and change something there. Hey, just just going back 1280 01:12:43,455 --> 01:12:46,415 Speaker 4: to the safety glass. Like for most of us, I 1281 01:12:46,415 --> 01:12:49,575 Speaker 4: think we understand that there's really really important areas where 1282 01:12:49,575 --> 01:12:53,975 Speaker 4: it should be used, for example, shower screens, you know, 1283 01:12:54,135 --> 01:12:57,815 Speaker 4: large panels, indoors. Again going back to my earlier story, 1284 01:12:58,215 --> 01:13:02,175 Speaker 4: those sorts of things. How do we know that we've 1285 01:13:02,215 --> 01:13:03,255 Speaker 4: got safety glass. 1286 01:13:04,815 --> 01:13:07,775 Speaker 2: Well, safety glass must have a safety stamp on it, 1287 01:13:08,455 --> 01:13:12,255 Speaker 2: so and not a branding stamp. So sometimes you will 1288 01:13:12,295 --> 01:13:15,095 Speaker 2: see that someone puts their brand name on the glass. 1289 01:13:15,135 --> 01:13:19,735 Speaker 2: That that is not a safety stamp. Okay, yeah, so 1290 01:13:19,895 --> 01:13:22,815 Speaker 2: safety stamp and generally what you'll see on that is 1291 01:13:22,895 --> 01:13:26,255 Speaker 2: it needs to have the name of the company or 1292 01:13:26,295 --> 01:13:30,175 Speaker 2: a register, the number of the producer of the glass. Yes, 1293 01:13:30,335 --> 01:13:33,775 Speaker 2: the type of safety glass that's there. For example, our 1294 01:13:33,895 --> 01:13:38,535 Speaker 2: tempered glass is temper float and our laminated glass would 1295 01:13:38,575 --> 01:13:42,095 Speaker 2: have safe light on it. And then what you're also 1296 01:13:42,215 --> 01:13:45,215 Speaker 2: looking for is the standard that it conforms too, which 1297 01:13:45,255 --> 01:13:48,015 Speaker 2: in New Zealand is as n Z S two two eight. 1298 01:13:49,135 --> 01:13:52,815 Speaker 2: And sometimes you'll also see the grade of the typically 1299 01:13:52,855 --> 01:13:55,735 Speaker 2: there's two grades used in New Zealand. And in your home, 1300 01:13:55,775 --> 01:13:58,935 Speaker 2: you're looking for grade A safety glass on that safety stamp. 1301 01:13:59,215 --> 01:14:01,935 Speaker 4: Right, And because this is often the sort of thing 1302 01:14:01,975 --> 01:14:05,495 Speaker 4: that inspectors will look forward a final inspection. So if 1303 01:14:05,815 --> 01:14:09,175 Speaker 4: some re in your contract that hasn't installed it, hopefully 1304 01:14:09,255 --> 01:14:12,255 Speaker 4: it'll get packed up at final inspection. But you know, again, 1305 01:14:12,335 --> 01:14:15,295 Speaker 4: I you know, we often get fixated with the rules 1306 01:14:15,295 --> 01:14:17,895 Speaker 4: and the regulations and I come back to the practicality, 1307 01:14:17,975 --> 01:14:20,375 Speaker 4: which is, you know, the last thing we want is 1308 01:14:20,415 --> 01:14:22,775 Speaker 4: that like that incident that I described or and I've 1309 01:14:22,775 --> 01:14:26,015 Speaker 4: seen it, you know, with young children for example, charging 1310 01:14:26,055 --> 01:14:29,375 Speaker 4: around the house hitting a ranch slider thinking that the 1311 01:14:29,455 --> 01:14:32,615 Speaker 4: door is open when in fact it's closed, and running 1312 01:14:32,655 --> 01:14:36,015 Speaker 4: into it. You know that those sorts of issues or 1313 01:14:36,015 --> 01:14:38,375 Speaker 4: those sorts of events happen, and that's why we've got 1314 01:14:38,375 --> 01:14:41,455 Speaker 4: safety glass. That's why it's so important. Yes, the other 1315 01:14:41,495 --> 01:14:43,255 Speaker 4: thing I just wanted to chat with you in terms of, 1316 01:14:43,495 --> 01:14:47,495 Speaker 4: like you know, working with glasses is can be hazardous, right, 1317 01:14:47,575 --> 01:14:50,935 Speaker 4: and so the people that you're working with is that's 1318 01:14:51,015 --> 01:14:54,295 Speaker 4: really important that you're confident that they're managing all of 1319 01:14:54,335 --> 01:14:57,055 Speaker 4: those hazards. So if you're talking about safe people in 1320 01:14:57,135 --> 01:15:00,415 Speaker 4: terms of teams and supervisors, what's the process for you guys. 1321 01:15:02,295 --> 01:15:05,135 Speaker 2: Sure, Well, the first thing we know is that we're 1322 01:15:05,135 --> 01:15:07,615 Speaker 2: in your home, and your home is your sanctuary, so 1323 01:15:07,655 --> 01:15:10,135 Speaker 2: we've got to operate very safely. The first thing you 1324 01:15:10,175 --> 01:15:12,375 Speaker 2: should do is that there's planning that needs to go 1325 01:15:12,415 --> 01:15:14,775 Speaker 2: into it. You don't just walk up and start replacing glass. 1326 01:15:14,815 --> 01:15:19,375 Speaker 2: So we isolate the workspaces, We plan and work, and 1327 01:15:19,495 --> 01:15:21,815 Speaker 2: communicate with the homeowner and tell them, look, we're going 1328 01:15:21,815 --> 01:15:23,855 Speaker 2: to be working in that area for this long. We 1329 01:15:23,895 --> 01:15:26,215 Speaker 2: will need that separated off, as they say, specially if 1330 01:15:26,215 --> 01:15:29,775 Speaker 2: there's children around when they first walk up, you want 1331 01:15:29,815 --> 01:15:32,095 Speaker 2: to make sure that when they start working with the 1332 01:15:32,095 --> 01:15:35,455 Speaker 2: glass that they've got proper ppe on it. I send 1333 01:15:35,535 --> 01:15:38,695 Speaker 2: shivers down my spine when I don't see people that 1334 01:15:38,735 --> 01:15:45,815 Speaker 2: are handling glass wearing cut resistant gloves, gauntlets, even shorts. 1335 01:15:46,175 --> 01:15:48,895 Speaker 2: You know, if glass breaks sharp, you really want to 1336 01:15:48,895 --> 01:15:51,575 Speaker 2: protect yourself and that gives you good indicators of the 1337 01:15:51,575 --> 01:15:54,935 Speaker 2: people that are working there. If they're actually cuttered up properly, 1338 01:15:55,495 --> 01:15:57,735 Speaker 2: then you also want to see how they're behaving in 1339 01:15:57,815 --> 01:16:02,695 Speaker 2: terms of all the rubbers should be removed immediately, especially 1340 01:16:02,735 --> 01:16:06,815 Speaker 2: if there's sharp objects involved or potentially hazardous materials. And 1341 01:16:06,855 --> 01:16:10,095 Speaker 2: then you know, do they actually work clean and tiding 1342 01:16:10,375 --> 01:16:14,055 Speaker 2: so And the final thing is even the equipment they're using. 1343 01:16:14,055 --> 01:16:17,775 Speaker 2: If you're seeing they're pulling out old leads with cuts 1344 01:16:17,775 --> 01:16:21,015 Speaker 2: in them, everything should be test and tag in near 1345 01:16:21,095 --> 01:16:24,295 Speaker 2: new condition. If they're climbing up on ladders, what the 1346 01:16:24,295 --> 01:16:26,615 Speaker 2: condition of their leaders? Are they rushing that sort of thing. 1347 01:16:27,895 --> 01:16:31,215 Speaker 2: It's the things that you'd normally look for anyway. And 1348 01:16:31,495 --> 01:16:34,415 Speaker 2: the only thing that is then added is that how 1349 01:16:34,415 --> 01:16:37,175 Speaker 2: they actually kick themselves out, because the last thing anyone 1350 01:16:37,175 --> 01:16:39,375 Speaker 2: wants on a site is either one of their loved 1351 01:16:39,375 --> 01:16:42,375 Speaker 2: ones getting hurt or having to deal with an emergency 1352 01:16:42,375 --> 01:16:43,055 Speaker 2: on the site. 1353 01:16:43,535 --> 01:16:46,215 Speaker 4: And I guess you know this is the difference between 1354 01:16:46,255 --> 01:16:51,335 Speaker 4: let's say smaller or more informal operations in a larger 1355 01:16:51,415 --> 01:16:55,415 Speaker 4: organization that has that training in places those you know, 1356 01:16:55,495 --> 01:16:58,535 Speaker 4: has someone who's looking at what they do, reviewing it, 1357 01:16:58,735 --> 01:17:03,375 Speaker 4: testing it, talking about constant improvement. Those sorts of things 1358 01:17:03,375 --> 01:17:04,175 Speaker 4: are really important. 1359 01:17:04,895 --> 01:17:05,135 Speaker 2: Yep. 1360 01:17:05,655 --> 01:17:07,895 Speaker 4: Yeah, Hey, I'm just curious too because people will be 1361 01:17:07,935 --> 01:17:09,895 Speaker 4: listening to this going, yeah, I understand the gloves and 1362 01:17:09,975 --> 01:17:11,535 Speaker 4: da da da da. What's a gauntlet? 1363 01:17:12,615 --> 01:17:12,815 Speaker 12: Oh? 1364 01:17:12,855 --> 01:17:13,215 Speaker 2: Sorry? 1365 01:17:13,095 --> 01:17:13,495 Speaker 12: If fair? 1366 01:17:14,975 --> 01:17:19,935 Speaker 2: So, it's a piece of equipment that is cut resistant 1367 01:17:19,935 --> 01:17:22,815 Speaker 2: that goes from basically the wrist area where all your 1368 01:17:22,935 --> 01:17:27,255 Speaker 2: arteries are, so it's a really important piece of and 1369 01:17:27,295 --> 01:17:30,375 Speaker 2: it goes up to the elbow. So if the glass 1370 01:17:30,455 --> 01:17:33,975 Speaker 2: unexpectedly breaks quite often the way that you carry glass, 1371 01:17:34,055 --> 01:17:36,215 Speaker 2: the first place one of those shards of glass is 1372 01:17:36,255 --> 01:17:38,815 Speaker 2: going to go is into that nice soft part in 1373 01:17:38,855 --> 01:17:41,455 Speaker 2: your arm. Well, that gauntlet is a piece of protective 1374 01:17:41,495 --> 01:17:43,935 Speaker 2: equipment that's worn that just keeps it so if you 1375 01:17:43,935 --> 01:17:46,815 Speaker 2: see someone with short sleeves and the bare arm again, 1376 01:17:46,935 --> 01:17:50,455 Speaker 2: and there have been some horrific things even on video 1377 01:17:50,535 --> 01:17:53,695 Speaker 2: where someone's working with it, and that's what that piece 1378 01:17:53,735 --> 01:17:54,895 Speaker 2: of equipment avoids. 1379 01:17:55,215 --> 01:17:58,535 Speaker 4: Yeah. The other thing too, just in terms of the 1380 01:17:58,535 --> 01:18:03,735 Speaker 4: retrofit space, So if there's a requirement to have safety 1381 01:18:03,775 --> 01:18:07,895 Speaker 4: glass as part of a retro double glazing, that's possible. 1382 01:18:09,855 --> 01:18:11,695 Speaker 2: Sorry, what was just christ In. 1383 01:18:11,655 --> 01:18:14,335 Speaker 4: Terms of like you know, we're often we're talking on 1384 01:18:14,375 --> 01:18:17,375 Speaker 4: this show about retrofit double glazing, right, Yes, so if 1385 01:18:17,375 --> 01:18:20,255 Speaker 4: we're doing a retrofit, we've ordered a DG unit, but 1386 01:18:20,295 --> 01:18:22,895 Speaker 4: there's a requirement to have safety glass as part of 1387 01:18:22,975 --> 01:18:26,775 Speaker 4: the standards. That's achievable in retrofit as well, isn't it. 1388 01:18:27,295 --> 01:18:27,535 Speaker 12: Oh? 1389 01:18:27,575 --> 01:18:30,695 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And the should form an important part of the 1390 01:18:30,735 --> 01:18:36,455 Speaker 2: conversation and be you know, again, we like to keep 1391 01:18:36,495 --> 01:18:40,695 Speaker 2: the homeowner informed because again it's this invisible threat that's 1392 01:18:40,695 --> 01:18:43,655 Speaker 2: in the home that our objective when we walk away 1393 01:18:43,655 --> 01:18:47,455 Speaker 2: from the job is that the people can enjoy the 1394 01:18:47,615 --> 01:18:51,295 Speaker 2: end result without risk or fear of something not being safe. 1395 01:18:51,455 --> 01:18:54,695 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's what ultimately it's all about. Hey, Deren, 1396 01:18:54,855 --> 01:18:57,415 Speaker 4: thank you very much for your time. Really informative and 1397 01:18:57,695 --> 01:18:59,655 Speaker 4: good to get that information. And again, you know, you 1398 01:18:59,695 --> 01:19:02,135 Speaker 4: and I probably have that vintage where we can remember 1399 01:19:02,255 --> 01:19:03,855 Speaker 4: what it was like when there wasn't a lot of 1400 01:19:03,855 --> 01:19:06,895 Speaker 4: safety glass around, and I think we've all got a 1401 01:19:06,935 --> 01:19:09,295 Speaker 4: picture in our head of what happens when it's not 1402 01:19:09,495 --> 01:19:11,415 Speaker 4: there and it ain't pretty. 1403 01:19:11,495 --> 01:19:13,575 Speaker 2: I can tell you that it's been an absolute pleasure 1404 01:19:13,615 --> 01:19:13,975 Speaker 2: talking to you. 1405 01:19:14,175 --> 01:19:15,935 Speaker 4: Nice to talk to you too. Take care, all the best, 1406 01:19:16,455 --> 01:19:20,615 Speaker 4: all the best, Darren Darrel see eight hundred eighty ten eighty, 1407 01:19:20,655 --> 01:19:25,215 Speaker 4: will continue taking your calls. And I just on the 1408 01:19:25,255 --> 01:19:27,695 Speaker 4: safety glass and I told that story just the beginning 1409 01:19:27,695 --> 01:19:30,735 Speaker 4: of that that chat with Darren. I remember we were 1410 01:19:31,335 --> 01:19:35,655 Speaker 4: was at school. We're charging around and a guy the 1411 01:19:35,855 --> 01:19:38,895 Speaker 4: door was swinging back. It was an aluminium door with 1412 01:19:38,975 --> 01:19:41,615 Speaker 4: glass panels in it, and he put his arms up 1413 01:19:42,015 --> 01:19:45,015 Speaker 4: to stop the door swinging back because he was intent 1414 01:19:45,095 --> 01:19:48,615 Speaker 4: on catching the guy that had obviously upset him. Put 1415 01:19:48,655 --> 01:19:51,415 Speaker 4: his his arms up and that just went straight through 1416 01:19:51,455 --> 01:19:54,975 Speaker 4: the panels of the upper you know, there's a lower panel, 1417 01:19:54,975 --> 01:19:59,775 Speaker 4: and then a top panel went straight through shattered or 1418 01:19:59,895 --> 01:20:03,295 Speaker 4: broke into shards. And then I think you know that 1419 01:20:03,295 --> 01:20:05,455 Speaker 4: it was the panic of criky. I've just put my 1420 01:20:05,575 --> 01:20:08,175 Speaker 4: arms through the or and then pulled back, and it 1421 01:20:08,215 --> 01:20:11,535 Speaker 4: was the pulling back that caused the injuries. That's why 1422 01:20:11,575 --> 01:20:13,935 Speaker 4: we've got safety glass. That's why it's so important, and 1423 01:20:13,935 --> 01:20:17,975 Speaker 4: that's why council inspectors at final inspection where it's required, 1424 01:20:18,015 --> 01:20:20,575 Speaker 4: they should be seeing that stamp on the glass where 1425 01:20:20,575 --> 01:20:23,335 Speaker 4: it's actually laser etched into the glass. You can't remove it. 1426 01:20:23,335 --> 01:20:25,615 Speaker 4: It shouldn't be a sticker. We're going to talk more 1427 01:20:25,655 --> 01:20:28,655 Speaker 4: about buildings straight after the news, sport and weather and 1428 01:20:28,935 --> 01:20:32,615 Speaker 4: recycling fabrics. Well, a very good morning, welcome back to 1429 01:20:32,655 --> 01:20:34,775 Speaker 4: the program. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty will 1430 01:20:34,775 --> 01:20:37,215 Speaker 4: take building questions right through to eight thirty. Then of 1431 01:20:37,255 --> 01:20:41,175 Speaker 4: course we're into the garden with the inimitable red climb 1432 01:20:41,175 --> 01:20:44,255 Speaker 4: pasted with us from eight thirty this morning, going to 1433 01:20:44,295 --> 01:20:48,615 Speaker 4: be having a chat with Tim from Retext. Check it 1434 01:20:48,615 --> 01:20:51,375 Speaker 4: out online. Actually do that right now, just type in 1435 01:20:51,575 --> 01:20:55,375 Speaker 4: retext r e t ex dot co dot nz Hang 1436 01:20:55,415 --> 01:20:58,015 Speaker 4: and I bought it up as well. This was a 1437 01:20:58,055 --> 01:21:01,535 Speaker 4: company that I bumped into timid an event and then 1438 01:21:01,695 --> 01:21:05,495 Speaker 4: looked at what they do in terms of recycling textiles, 1439 01:21:05,535 --> 01:21:08,655 Speaker 4: and I was app fascinated. They also end up recycling 1440 01:21:08,655 --> 01:21:14,495 Speaker 4: textiles into like you know, protective layers for builds. So 1441 01:21:14,575 --> 01:21:16,175 Speaker 4: typically if you're doing a build and you've laid a 1442 01:21:16,215 --> 01:21:18,215 Speaker 4: new floor, you'll go and get some card water, you'll 1443 01:21:18,255 --> 01:21:20,455 Speaker 4: get some other bits and pieces. Now you can use 1444 01:21:20,495 --> 01:21:23,575 Speaker 4: recycled textile. Anyway, more on that shortly, but I was 1445 01:21:23,615 --> 01:21:26,095 Speaker 4: fascinated by it, and in terms of, you know, the 1446 01:21:26,335 --> 01:21:28,695 Speaker 4: sort of the space that I'm operating and where I'm 1447 01:21:28,695 --> 01:21:33,255 Speaker 4: doing some work around construction waste and waste minimization and 1448 01:21:33,695 --> 01:21:36,695 Speaker 4: promoting resource recovery and those sorts of things. To see 1449 01:21:36,695 --> 01:21:40,015 Speaker 4: what happens to textile is really really important because we 1450 01:21:40,095 --> 01:21:41,895 Speaker 4: might put it into a recycling bit and then you 1451 01:21:41,935 --> 01:21:43,735 Speaker 4: wonder what happens to it. Well, I'll tell you all 1452 01:21:43,735 --> 01:21:45,655 Speaker 4: about that in just a moment. Warreick, good morning to you. 1453 01:21:47,095 --> 01:21:50,815 Speaker 14: Good morning. I've got a bit of a problem with 1454 01:21:50,975 --> 01:21:56,375 Speaker 14: a concrete internal foundation that is showing signs of crumbling 1455 01:21:56,415 --> 01:22:00,495 Speaker 14: away with that quite evervescent stuff around the edge of it, 1456 01:22:00,535 --> 01:22:03,895 Speaker 14: and the concrete just crumbles to a powder yep. And 1457 01:22:03,935 --> 01:22:06,575 Speaker 14: I listened to your program some time ago, and I 1458 01:22:06,655 --> 01:22:09,855 Speaker 14: remember you discussing it with someone and there was a 1459 01:22:09,895 --> 01:22:11,135 Speaker 14: treatment you could use. 1460 01:22:13,815 --> 01:22:17,215 Speaker 4: If we were talking about moisture in Greece, then there 1461 01:22:17,295 --> 01:22:22,015 Speaker 4: are some treatments that will help resist moisture migrating through 1462 01:22:22,055 --> 01:22:22,415 Speaker 4: the block. 1463 01:22:22,455 --> 01:22:30,695 Speaker 14: Will it's an internal foundation inside the house and it's supporting. 1464 01:22:30,855 --> 01:22:34,975 Speaker 14: It's under a supporting foundation on the wall for a 1465 01:22:35,015 --> 01:22:35,735 Speaker 14: second level. 1466 01:22:36,175 --> 01:22:40,615 Speaker 4: Right, do you think that the crumbling is to the 1467 01:22:40,695 --> 01:22:44,255 Speaker 4: extent where it would cause instability. 1468 01:22:45,215 --> 01:22:49,495 Speaker 14: Well, it's covering. It gone back an area and the 1469 01:22:49,495 --> 01:22:53,415 Speaker 14: foundation of about seven hundred I suppose from a doorway, 1470 01:22:53,655 --> 01:22:56,615 Speaker 14: and it's worked its way back about probably about seven 1471 01:22:56,695 --> 01:23:04,135 Speaker 14: hundred and it hasn't stopped. So it's a slow process, 1472 01:23:04,175 --> 01:23:05,215 Speaker 14: but it is happening. 1473 01:23:05,575 --> 01:23:08,335 Speaker 4: And when you say it hasn't stopped. It's the presence 1474 01:23:08,375 --> 01:23:11,895 Speaker 4: of the efforescence that you're seeing that white powder on 1475 01:23:11,975 --> 01:23:15,535 Speaker 4: the block on the concrete work. Or is it actually 1476 01:23:15,935 --> 01:23:19,295 Speaker 4: you know it's it's actually crumbling and falling away. 1477 01:23:20,255 --> 01:23:22,935 Speaker 14: Yeah, it's actually crumbling and falling away. 1478 01:23:23,895 --> 01:23:26,695 Speaker 4: To what extent, like just the surface or all the 1479 01:23:26,735 --> 01:23:27,255 Speaker 4: way through. 1480 01:23:28,255 --> 01:23:30,975 Speaker 14: No, this is probably getting onto wood halfway through the 1481 01:23:31,015 --> 01:23:32,215 Speaker 14: foundation itself. 1482 01:23:34,175 --> 01:23:36,575 Speaker 5: Hm. 1483 01:23:36,935 --> 01:23:40,375 Speaker 4: And do you think you know, realistically, given what you 1484 01:23:40,415 --> 01:23:44,175 Speaker 4: can see, that there's risk of it becoming unstable and 1485 01:23:44,255 --> 01:23:47,335 Speaker 4: no longer offering up any support like it's intended. 1486 01:23:46,935 --> 01:23:51,655 Speaker 14: To do well, that that is potentially a problem. Yes, 1487 01:23:51,775 --> 01:23:54,695 Speaker 14: it could if it keeps If it keeps going. 1488 01:23:56,855 --> 01:23:59,695 Speaker 4: I suppose there's two things. One is what's causing it, 1489 01:23:59,855 --> 01:24:03,655 Speaker 4: because generally these things shouldn't happen right now unless you're 1490 01:24:03,655 --> 01:24:06,535 Speaker 4: getting and typically if you do have a sho is 1491 01:24:06,615 --> 01:24:10,215 Speaker 4: with the durability of concrete, it's around moisture. So is 1492 01:24:10,255 --> 01:24:11,415 Speaker 4: there excessive. 1493 01:24:11,935 --> 01:24:14,855 Speaker 14: Didn't they mention? Or I think you mean someone mentioned 1494 01:24:14,895 --> 01:24:16,975 Speaker 14: salts in the concrete in the mix. 1495 01:24:17,135 --> 01:24:21,095 Speaker 4: That relates to the efflorescence, right, So it's salts that 1496 01:24:21,175 --> 01:24:23,895 Speaker 4: are often you know, we use sand, right, and unless 1497 01:24:23,935 --> 01:24:26,695 Speaker 4: the sand is completely and utterly cleansed of any salt 1498 01:24:26,735 --> 01:24:30,215 Speaker 4: that might be there. You might see it appear over time, 1499 01:24:31,335 --> 01:24:34,375 Speaker 4: whether or not it then goes on to cause concrete decay. 1500 01:24:34,575 --> 01:24:38,695 Speaker 4: You'd want to go and talk to an engineer about that. Look, 1501 01:24:38,775 --> 01:24:41,135 Speaker 4: I if you know, it sounds like you've got some 1502 01:24:41,175 --> 01:24:44,575 Speaker 4: genuine concerns and have good reason for that. I wonder 1503 01:24:44,575 --> 01:24:49,535 Speaker 4: whether approaching a structural engineer to come and determine it, 1504 01:24:49,855 --> 01:24:53,495 Speaker 4: and then getting advice from them as to what remediation. Now, 1505 01:24:53,535 --> 01:24:56,175 Speaker 4: it might be a case of actually sort of cleaning 1506 01:24:56,215 --> 01:24:59,335 Speaker 4: the area, boxing out around it and pouring a foundation 1507 01:24:59,615 --> 01:25:02,855 Speaker 4: around it to offer up some support. It might be 1508 01:25:02,935 --> 01:25:05,415 Speaker 4: that you need to prop part of the building, remove 1509 01:25:05,495 --> 01:25:10,015 Speaker 4: it and replace, but I'd get guidance from a structural 1510 01:25:10,015 --> 01:25:10,775 Speaker 4: engineer on that. 1511 01:25:12,055 --> 01:25:12,775 Speaker 14: Thank you very much. 1512 01:25:12,775 --> 01:25:14,535 Speaker 4: All right, all the very best to you. Take care 1513 01:25:15,295 --> 01:25:18,015 Speaker 4: and look, it's quite potentially, you know, it's quite possible 1514 01:25:18,015 --> 01:25:19,775 Speaker 4: that the engineer will look at it and go, Okay, 1515 01:25:20,735 --> 01:25:24,935 Speaker 4: it's happening, but it's unlikely to cause any issues with stability. 1516 01:25:25,255 --> 01:25:27,175 Speaker 4: We'll just leave alone, or we'll just treat it as 1517 01:25:27,175 --> 01:25:29,135 Speaker 4: it is and hope that it stops, in which case 1518 01:25:29,535 --> 01:25:32,375 Speaker 4: it probably will be a treatment to prevent that moisture, 1519 01:25:32,535 --> 01:25:36,575 Speaker 4: ingress and therefore essence righty Oh. Now, I went out 1520 01:25:36,615 --> 01:25:41,215 Speaker 4: to meet Tim at Retexts a couple of probably a 1521 01:25:41,255 --> 01:25:44,335 Speaker 4: month ago now, and I had to wander around, and 1522 01:25:44,375 --> 01:25:45,855 Speaker 4: to be fair, I saw a whole lot of stuff 1523 01:25:45,855 --> 01:25:48,695 Speaker 4: that I've never ever seen in my life. Tim, thank 1524 01:25:48,735 --> 01:25:51,295 Speaker 4: you very much for joining us this morning on the program. 1525 01:25:51,735 --> 01:25:52,815 Speaker 15: Thanks thankfully. 1526 01:25:52,855 --> 01:25:56,295 Speaker 4: I'm true, it's a pleasure. So just just quickly, retext 1527 01:25:56,495 --> 01:26:02,895 Speaker 4: is a manufactured it's a factory where textiles. Now, actually, 1528 01:26:02,975 --> 01:26:05,655 Speaker 4: let's start with the basics. When you say textile, what's 1529 01:26:05,655 --> 01:26:07,655 Speaker 4: a textile that can be recycled? 1530 01:26:08,455 --> 01:26:10,495 Speaker 15: Okay, so just quickly, if I just go back a 1531 01:26:10,535 --> 01:26:14,535 Speaker 15: se so retext is a brand. Yes, Textile Products is 1532 01:26:14,575 --> 01:26:18,575 Speaker 15: the manufacturer of retext gotcha. So just a little bit 1533 01:26:18,575 --> 01:26:22,335 Speaker 15: of background. Textile Products have been recycling and manufacturing and 1534 01:26:22,455 --> 01:26:26,295 Speaker 15: ZOM for about the past sixty years, basically committed to 1535 01:26:26,375 --> 01:26:32,895 Speaker 15: transforming textile waste, so things like waste wool, wool uniforms, closing, 1536 01:26:33,535 --> 01:26:42,375 Speaker 15: polyester insulation, acoustic insulation offcuts into valuable, endless recyclable products. Essentially, yeah, 1537 01:26:42,415 --> 01:26:46,255 Speaker 15: to provide sustainable solutions so those products can keep coming 1538 01:26:46,295 --> 01:26:50,455 Speaker 15: back to textile products and get it remade just like retext. 1539 01:26:50,895 --> 01:26:53,695 Speaker 5: Right, so when people use retext. 1540 01:26:53,775 --> 01:26:58,055 Speaker 15: They can use it once, twice, three, four, or five times. 1541 01:26:58,175 --> 01:27:02,295 Speaker 15: That has a value proposition, and when they're finished with it, 1542 01:27:02,335 --> 01:27:04,095 Speaker 15: they can return it to where they bought it from. 1543 01:27:04,175 --> 01:27:06,175 Speaker 15: We pick it up, take it back to the factory, 1544 01:27:06,575 --> 01:27:09,815 Speaker 15: back to textile products, and only hunger and remake it 1545 01:27:09,855 --> 01:27:12,255 Speaker 15: into retext or other products. 1546 01:27:12,375 --> 01:27:13,495 Speaker 9: Yeah, because I'm. 1547 01:27:13,375 --> 01:27:15,335 Speaker 4: Thinking, you know, if you think about all of the 1548 01:27:15,375 --> 01:27:18,535 Speaker 4: textiles that might be in our lives, and sometimes at 1549 01:27:18,535 --> 01:27:21,455 Speaker 4: the time of manufacture, if you've got a roll of 1550 01:27:21,495 --> 01:27:23,535 Speaker 4: fabric and you're cutting out T shirts, right, you're going 1551 01:27:23,575 --> 01:27:25,615 Speaker 4: to have offcuts and where do they go? So that's 1552 01:27:26,055 --> 01:27:30,015 Speaker 4: it's that, it's carpets, it's it's just it's important. 1553 01:27:30,495 --> 01:27:36,615 Speaker 15: Yeah, uniforms, carpet, woolen carpets. Yeah, pretty much, anything that 1554 01:27:36,735 --> 01:27:39,455 Speaker 15: doesn't have a chemical kind of element to it, right, 1555 01:27:40,055 --> 01:27:43,455 Speaker 15: we can deal with. I mean, we're just recently we're 1556 01:27:43,495 --> 01:27:45,975 Speaker 15: talking to a film studio about the green and the 1557 01:27:45,975 --> 01:27:51,975 Speaker 15: blue screen carpets, looking at recycling those, yeah, and turning 1558 01:27:51,975 --> 01:27:54,175 Speaker 15: them back into something they could use back on the 1559 01:27:54,175 --> 01:27:57,655 Speaker 15: film set. So yeah, things like that. We do get 1560 01:27:57,655 --> 01:28:01,055 Speaker 15: a lot of uniforms from companies and those will get 1561 01:28:01,175 --> 01:28:05,175 Speaker 15: process through and made into retext. But we make other products, 1562 01:28:05,175 --> 01:28:09,335 Speaker 15: we make whole esteration. We may remove all blankets under 1563 01:28:09,455 --> 01:28:14,095 Speaker 15: as wadding, geotextiles, so weed matt yes, erosion control, mating, 1564 01:28:14,735 --> 01:28:20,735 Speaker 15: but again all fully recyclable and by it agradable, so 1565 01:28:21,535 --> 01:28:24,775 Speaker 15: you know, not leaching plastics and such like out into 1566 01:28:24,815 --> 01:28:26,055 Speaker 15: the into the environment. 1567 01:28:26,975 --> 01:28:29,735 Speaker 4: And I'm intrigued by that comment that you make around 1568 01:28:30,375 --> 01:28:35,575 Speaker 4: is endlessly recyclable. Right. So let's say, because one of 1569 01:28:35,615 --> 01:28:38,255 Speaker 4: the things that caught my eye to be fair, was 1570 01:28:38,335 --> 01:28:42,815 Speaker 4: that you do essentially flooring protection, right, which over the years, 1571 01:28:42,895 --> 01:28:46,095 Speaker 4: you know, I've seen a number of products there and 1572 01:28:46,135 --> 01:28:49,255 Speaker 4: typically when we're finished using them, we roll them up 1573 01:28:49,295 --> 01:28:50,655 Speaker 4: and they go in the bin, right, and they go 1574 01:28:50,695 --> 01:28:55,415 Speaker 4: to landfill. So yours is slightly different, that's right. 1575 01:28:55,575 --> 01:29:00,735 Speaker 15: So with retex, because of the durability of the product, 1576 01:29:01,335 --> 01:29:03,015 Speaker 15: you can use it, as I said, you know, four 1577 01:29:03,095 --> 01:29:06,695 Speaker 15: or five times, and it can be used a side 1578 01:29:06,815 --> 01:29:11,775 Speaker 15: or outside. So that's the value proposition. But when you 1579 01:29:11,815 --> 01:29:13,815 Speaker 15: are finished with it, it does have a home to 1580 01:29:13,855 --> 01:29:16,495 Speaker 15: come back to, so it doesn't need to go into 1581 01:29:16,535 --> 01:29:19,535 Speaker 15: the skit. So what I say to people is look, 1582 01:29:19,575 --> 01:29:22,375 Speaker 15: we'll do our bit by recycling it and providing an 1583 01:29:22,655 --> 01:29:25,815 Speaker 15: easy access for it to come back to textile products. Yes, 1584 01:29:26,215 --> 01:29:29,255 Speaker 15: the merchants, So the building merchants, you know, we are 1585 01:29:29,335 --> 01:29:31,695 Speaker 15: top sort of four or five building merchants of stocking 1586 01:29:31,775 --> 01:29:35,975 Speaker 15: and have access to retext through our distributed easy access 1587 01:29:36,895 --> 01:29:39,615 Speaker 15: and so you can return it there if you want, 1588 01:29:39,695 --> 01:29:42,095 Speaker 15: and we pick it up. There's no charge to anyone. 1589 01:29:42,135 --> 01:29:45,215 Speaker 15: So we've taken away all the barriers and that comes 1590 01:29:45,255 --> 01:29:49,415 Speaker 15: back to textile products and we remake it back into retext. 1591 01:29:50,415 --> 01:29:53,735 Speaker 15: So if everyone does the advert, then it shouldn't end 1592 01:29:53,775 --> 01:29:56,575 Speaker 15: up in landfill. And just to give your listeners some context, 1593 01:29:57,335 --> 01:30:02,575 Speaker 15: we process thirty five tons a week of textile waste 1594 01:30:02,855 --> 01:30:05,775 Speaker 15: and turn it into products that people in the building 1595 01:30:05,815 --> 01:30:11,015 Speaker 15: industry other industries use every day. And that's drop in 1596 01:30:11,055 --> 01:30:14,095 Speaker 15: the bucket. There's one hundred and eighty thousand tons of 1597 01:30:14,415 --> 01:30:17,255 Speaker 15: texile waste goes to landfill. And you every year. 1598 01:30:19,095 --> 01:30:22,335 Speaker 4: In these numbers when you start looking into waste and 1599 01:30:22,375 --> 01:30:25,055 Speaker 4: trying to do something around waste minimization, and you look 1600 01:30:25,095 --> 01:30:28,375 Speaker 4: at the scale of the challenge, you know, and I 1601 01:30:28,455 --> 01:30:30,255 Speaker 4: keep saying to people, you know, what, we've got to 1602 01:30:30,295 --> 01:30:34,015 Speaker 4: realize is that construction in Auckland anyway contributes about fifty 1603 01:30:34,015 --> 01:30:36,495 Speaker 4: percent of the volume of material going to landfill. 1604 01:30:36,575 --> 01:30:36,735 Speaker 12: Right. 1605 01:30:36,735 --> 01:30:40,615 Speaker 4: We are a shockingly wasteful industry. So I just look 1606 01:30:40,655 --> 01:30:43,335 Speaker 4: at something an initiative like this and the work that 1607 01:30:43,375 --> 01:30:45,855 Speaker 4: you've been doing for all of these years and go, actually, 1608 01:30:45,935 --> 01:30:48,455 Speaker 4: this is great. And also I think too sometimes we 1609 01:30:49,175 --> 01:30:53,375 Speaker 4: as consumers or as the producers of waste material, we 1610 01:30:53,415 --> 01:30:56,455 Speaker 4: feel that there's not a pathway for it that you know, 1611 01:30:56,615 --> 01:30:59,055 Speaker 4: people talk about greenwashing or they talk about stuff that 1612 01:30:59,775 --> 01:31:02,495 Speaker 4: theoretically goes through recycling, but it doesn't. Actually it just 1613 01:31:02,535 --> 01:31:04,695 Speaker 4: goes straight to landfall. But you know, this is where 1614 01:31:04,815 --> 01:31:06,855 Speaker 4: I was excited to see what you're doing, which is 1615 01:31:07,255 --> 01:31:10,095 Speaker 4: we're taking this material, we're taking these textiles, and we're 1616 01:31:10,095 --> 01:31:15,135 Speaker 4: making a product that is then infinitely recyclable. That's correct, 1617 01:31:15,215 --> 01:31:16,135 Speaker 4: and we've got a pathway. 1618 01:31:16,215 --> 01:31:19,455 Speaker 15: So that's that's the key, right. But it's not just 1619 01:31:19,535 --> 01:31:23,615 Speaker 15: the fact that it's going to landfill. It's the carbon footprint. 1620 01:31:23,215 --> 01:31:25,775 Speaker 5: Of getting it to the landfil yes. 1621 01:31:25,535 --> 01:31:28,935 Speaker 15: Backwards and forwards, backwards and forwards. So whilst there is 1622 01:31:28,935 --> 01:31:32,615 Speaker 15: some carbon footprint and us picking up textile ways, it's 1623 01:31:32,655 --> 01:31:35,615 Speaker 15: a lot better than it's just steaming up in the dump. 1624 01:31:36,575 --> 01:31:39,295 Speaker 4: Well, particularly that in what you've set up, you've also 1625 01:31:39,375 --> 01:31:42,455 Speaker 4: got this pathway where people, once you've used the product 1626 01:31:42,495 --> 01:31:45,655 Speaker 4: can return it right, so it's it's not a difficult 1627 01:31:45,855 --> 01:31:49,015 Speaker 4: process to then ensure that you know you're doing the 1628 01:31:49,055 --> 01:31:52,175 Speaker 4: right thing, which is if you're using a recycled product 1629 01:31:52,255 --> 01:31:54,735 Speaker 4: that when you've finished with it, it can be recyclable 1630 01:31:54,735 --> 01:31:58,215 Speaker 4: and here's the pathway for it. That's I think it's 1631 01:31:58,255 --> 01:32:01,215 Speaker 4: exciting to really appreciate you spending a bit of time 1632 01:32:01,255 --> 01:32:03,095 Speaker 4: with us this morning. I would encourage you to go 1633 01:32:03,135 --> 01:32:05,855 Speaker 4: and check it out. I just found it absolutely fascinating, 1634 01:32:05,855 --> 01:32:08,735 Speaker 4: So have a look at retext dot co dot nz 1635 01:32:09,895 --> 01:32:11,375 Speaker 4: and if you yeah. 1636 01:32:12,295 --> 01:32:13,655 Speaker 9: Also great work. 1637 01:32:14,575 --> 01:32:20,055 Speaker 15: Also if the listeners want to get the whole product 1638 01:32:20,135 --> 01:32:23,495 Speaker 15: range and they can't find it on our website, they 1639 01:32:23,495 --> 01:32:26,415 Speaker 15: can go to easy Access yep. So they are our distributors. 1640 01:32:26,535 --> 01:32:30,255 Speaker 15: So they're the premium wholesaler of high access solutions in 1641 01:32:30,295 --> 01:32:34,215 Speaker 15: New Zealand or made in Mango Toroedo like us a 1642 01:32:34,295 --> 01:32:38,535 Speaker 15: family business. We've partnered that with Easy Access and they've 1643 01:32:38,535 --> 01:32:42,415 Speaker 15: been fantastic managed to get us into those building merchants 1644 01:32:42,455 --> 01:32:45,255 Speaker 15: and that's the key, right because it's getting the reach 1645 01:32:45,295 --> 01:32:47,655 Speaker 15: and the eyeballs on the product and people go oh 1646 01:32:47,775 --> 01:32:50,455 Speaker 15: okay cool, and I can chuck my high vision the 1647 01:32:50,495 --> 01:32:54,375 Speaker 15: bin hair, yeah, clothing, my old uniform, it'll go back 1648 01:32:54,415 --> 01:32:57,335 Speaker 15: to textile. It'll make a product that I'll use on site, 1649 01:32:57,895 --> 01:33:00,295 Speaker 15: whether you're renovating or a new build. 1650 01:33:00,975 --> 01:33:05,015 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Look, I think it's exciting. Really appreciate your time, Tom, 1651 01:33:05,055 --> 01:33:08,095 Speaker 4: and we'll catch up against all the best mate, take 1652 01:33:08,135 --> 01:33:12,695 Speaker 4: care bothering into him. Oh karaky, troubles arrived, folks. I'd 1653 01:33:12,695 --> 01:33:16,135 Speaker 4: forgotten all about this, to be fair, but when he 1654 01:33:16,215 --> 01:33:18,375 Speaker 4: signed off last week said hey, I'll see you next week, 1655 01:33:18,415 --> 01:33:20,695 Speaker 4: and to be fair, I've completely forgotten. But there he is, 1656 01:33:20,935 --> 01:33:23,215 Speaker 4: lurking on the other side of the glass. It's going 1657 01:33:23,295 --> 01:33:24,735 Speaker 4: to be some fun today. We're going to take a 1658 01:33:24,775 --> 01:33:26,535 Speaker 4: short break. We'll be back in a moment with Gail. 1659 01:33:26,655 --> 01:33:28,695 Speaker 4: If you'd like to talk to Rude from eight thirty, 1660 01:33:28,735 --> 01:33:32,055 Speaker 4: you can call us on eight hundred and eighty eight. Well, 1661 01:33:32,135 --> 01:33:34,535 Speaker 4: it's going to be lovely having Red in the studio. 1662 01:33:34,775 --> 01:33:37,855 Speaker 4: He's ready to go at eight thirty. But right now, Gail, 1663 01:33:37,975 --> 01:33:39,135 Speaker 4: a very good morning to you. 1664 01:33:40,015 --> 01:33:43,615 Speaker 16: Good morning, Pete. Hi, there we have a problem around 1665 01:33:43,655 --> 01:33:49,295 Speaker 16: our swimming pool. It got bricktailing certain concrete, but the 1666 01:33:49,415 --> 01:33:54,095 Speaker 16: grouting has sort of load and the edges are quite sharp. 1667 01:33:55,455 --> 01:33:59,535 Speaker 16: We wondered, could we get grouting pushed all over the 1668 01:33:59,575 --> 01:34:02,575 Speaker 16: whole thing and then somehow get it all for bread 1669 01:34:03,255 --> 01:34:05,015 Speaker 16: or there was another way of doing it. 1670 01:34:05,655 --> 01:34:08,215 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean if the grout, you know, let's say 1671 01:34:08,215 --> 01:34:11,575 Speaker 4: the grout is settled or it's moved or something like that, 1672 01:34:11,895 --> 01:34:16,335 Speaker 4: then yes, applying a new grout over the top is fine, 1673 01:34:16,455 --> 01:34:19,375 Speaker 4: but you would want to go and where if you 1674 01:34:19,415 --> 01:34:21,575 Speaker 4: get that product from. You'd want to go and talk 1675 01:34:21,575 --> 01:34:24,615 Speaker 4: to them about things like adhesion, Right, So you want 1676 01:34:24,655 --> 01:34:26,455 Speaker 4: to make sure that the new grout, if it's going 1677 01:34:26,495 --> 01:34:28,335 Speaker 4: to be a thin layer over the top of the 1678 01:34:28,415 --> 01:34:31,375 Speaker 4: existing one, is actually going to bond and not just 1679 01:34:31,455 --> 01:34:34,535 Speaker 4: delaminate and come out later on. So adhesion is the 1680 01:34:34,615 --> 01:34:37,615 Speaker 4: key there, because what you don't necessarily want to do 1681 01:34:37,695 --> 01:34:40,455 Speaker 4: is have to go through and cut all of the 1682 01:34:40,535 --> 01:34:44,735 Speaker 4: old grout out. But no, that should be relatively simple. 1683 01:34:44,815 --> 01:34:48,215 Speaker 4: And then you know, like with grouting tiles, you've got 1684 01:34:48,215 --> 01:34:51,415 Speaker 4: to be a little bit conscious. Especially bricks that are porous, right, 1685 01:34:51,495 --> 01:34:55,295 Speaker 4: they will absorb and get stained by the grout very quickly. 1686 01:34:55,375 --> 01:34:57,975 Speaker 4: So the person doing the work needs to make sure 1687 01:34:58,015 --> 01:35:00,815 Speaker 4: that that as they're applying the grout, they're cleaning it off, 1688 01:35:00,855 --> 01:35:03,775 Speaker 4: that it's not You can just kind of pour a 1689 01:35:03,935 --> 01:35:07,135 Speaker 4: slurry over the whole thing and then clean it. But 1690 01:35:07,295 --> 01:35:08,935 Speaker 4: you don't want to wait too long. You don't want 1691 01:35:08,935 --> 01:35:12,775 Speaker 4: to let it dry. There's a bit of I suppose 1692 01:35:12,775 --> 01:35:15,815 Speaker 4: it's been a knowledge in getting it right. But yes, 1693 01:35:16,215 --> 01:35:21,335 Speaker 4: theoretically it's still you can pourse. You can, but then 1694 01:35:21,375 --> 01:35:24,015 Speaker 4: you want to be working quickly to ensure that it 1695 01:35:24,055 --> 01:35:27,095 Speaker 4: doesn't start bonding to the bricks, which is not where 1696 01:35:27,135 --> 01:35:27,575 Speaker 4: you want it. 1697 01:35:28,335 --> 01:35:30,855 Speaker 16: No, it was, So is that is it better just 1698 01:35:30,895 --> 01:35:33,215 Speaker 16: to individually fill all the grass? 1699 01:35:33,735 --> 01:35:36,215 Speaker 4: Look, that's probably the approach that I would take. And 1700 01:35:36,295 --> 01:35:39,095 Speaker 4: I go years ago, I did some big six hundred 1701 01:35:39,095 --> 01:35:41,175 Speaker 4: by six hundred pavers and then I grouted them right, 1702 01:35:41,215 --> 01:35:43,855 Speaker 4: and it was quite a big grouted gap in between, 1703 01:35:44,335 --> 01:35:47,095 Speaker 4: and I just worked my way along each individual line, 1704 01:35:47,175 --> 01:35:49,735 Speaker 4: filling it with grout, packing it and cleaning it off 1705 01:35:50,095 --> 01:35:54,495 Speaker 4: and cleaning the surrounding area as I went right and 1706 01:35:54,575 --> 01:35:57,055 Speaker 4: worked my way across that way. So I would probably 1707 01:35:57,055 --> 01:35:59,095 Speaker 4: take the same approach with the bricks that I would 1708 01:35:59,215 --> 01:36:03,775 Speaker 4: kind of point them almost and apply that and clean 1709 01:36:03,815 --> 01:36:05,975 Speaker 4: off an area and then move on to the next 1710 01:36:06,015 --> 01:36:10,295 Speaker 4: area and keep cleaning as you go. Pointing is if 1711 01:36:10,295 --> 01:36:13,015 Speaker 4: you look at brickwork. When brickwork is being laid, there's 1712 01:36:13,055 --> 01:36:15,295 Speaker 4: mortar in between the bricks, and then the bricklayer will 1713 01:36:15,335 --> 01:36:18,495 Speaker 4: point them by scraping out the joint and making it neat. 1714 01:36:18,935 --> 01:36:23,055 Speaker 4: So if you did a grout that wasn't a really 1715 01:36:23,135 --> 01:36:27,215 Speaker 4: wet slurry and you essentially pointed it. But again it's 1716 01:36:27,255 --> 01:36:29,495 Speaker 4: that adhesion is the key, because what I don't want 1717 01:36:29,535 --> 01:36:31,975 Speaker 4: to do is say, pour a layer on top and 1718 01:36:32,015 --> 01:36:34,295 Speaker 4: then you find that it delaminates and comes off again. 1719 01:36:36,255 --> 01:36:37,855 Speaker 16: And who would do that sort of thing? 1720 01:36:37,895 --> 01:36:38,535 Speaker 17: Would we. 1721 01:36:40,175 --> 01:36:40,415 Speaker 8: Look? 1722 01:36:40,695 --> 01:36:43,895 Speaker 4: Probably a tyler would be a good place to start. 1723 01:36:43,935 --> 01:36:46,815 Speaker 4: Someone that's got a bit of experience with that. You 1724 01:36:46,935 --> 01:36:49,655 Speaker 4: might find a bricklayer, I mean, a general contractor may 1725 01:36:49,735 --> 01:36:52,575 Speaker 4: have an inclination. It's just you've got to try and 1726 01:36:52,615 --> 01:36:54,775 Speaker 4: find someone who's got a little bit of a passion 1727 01:36:54,855 --> 01:36:57,495 Speaker 4: for doing it. It's it's work that requires a bit 1728 01:36:57,495 --> 01:37:01,535 Speaker 4: of care and attention to do well. Yes, all the 1729 01:37:01,615 --> 01:37:04,775 Speaker 4: very best, you go, take care and Julie a very 1730 01:37:04,775 --> 01:37:09,055 Speaker 4: good morning to you. Hello, good morning, morning. 1731 01:37:08,815 --> 01:37:14,935 Speaker 17: Morning, Hello, Hi, I have a large area of what shrawing. 1732 01:37:15,015 --> 01:37:18,815 Speaker 17: It's been part of us. I would like to get it, 1733 01:37:19,375 --> 01:37:25,295 Speaker 17: then send it off and apply what oil. Yep, but 1734 01:37:25,415 --> 01:37:30,415 Speaker 17: I'm having I'm having trouble finding a four floor standard 1735 01:37:30,815 --> 01:37:34,695 Speaker 17: and advocato. Will you have any recommendations? Please? 1736 01:37:36,535 --> 01:37:38,135 Speaker 4: Look, it depends a little bit on where in the 1737 01:37:38,135 --> 01:37:40,455 Speaker 4: country you are and what type of flooring it is. 1738 01:37:40,535 --> 01:37:43,575 Speaker 4: So what's what type of flooring do you actually have? 1739 01:37:45,135 --> 01:37:49,295 Speaker 17: It's a I'm in Mangawai area and it's a hard 1740 01:37:49,575 --> 01:37:50,455 Speaker 17: hard wood. 1741 01:37:50,255 --> 01:37:54,975 Speaker 4: Flooring and it's tongue and groove, or it's it's laid 1742 01:37:55,015 --> 01:37:56,735 Speaker 4: down over the top of a substrate. 1743 01:37:57,975 --> 01:37:59,375 Speaker 17: I think it's tongue and groove. 1744 01:37:59,415 --> 01:38:06,095 Speaker 4: I think right, laid down directly over the joists, or 1745 01:38:06,175 --> 01:38:08,175 Speaker 4: is it stuck down onto a concrete slab? Do you 1746 01:38:08,215 --> 01:38:09,215 Speaker 4: know what's underneath it? 1747 01:38:10,535 --> 01:38:12,175 Speaker 9: No, I think it's tongue and groove. 1748 01:38:12,175 --> 01:38:15,415 Speaker 4: I think right. I mean the reason I'm asking it 1749 01:38:15,535 --> 01:38:18,535 Speaker 4: question is like sometimes with tongue and groove, it's already 1750 01:38:18,535 --> 01:38:20,975 Speaker 4: been sanded. You may not actually have enough of the 1751 01:38:21,055 --> 01:38:25,215 Speaker 4: material left to sand again. So you've got to be 1752 01:38:25,215 --> 01:38:27,975 Speaker 4: a little bit cautious around that. Depending on the type 1753 01:38:27,975 --> 01:38:30,615 Speaker 4: of material it might depend on how much you can 1754 01:38:30,615 --> 01:38:34,455 Speaker 4: actually sand off, and then some types of timber might 1755 01:38:34,495 --> 01:38:40,015 Speaker 4: not actually respond particularly well to using like a natural oil. 1756 01:38:40,535 --> 01:38:45,135 Speaker 4: It's unlikely, but it's possible. Right, So there's a few 1757 01:38:45,135 --> 01:38:47,975 Speaker 4: issues there. Look, I tell you what's Stay on the line. 1758 01:38:48,095 --> 01:38:50,495 Speaker 4: I'll give you the number of a guy who is 1759 01:38:50,695 --> 01:38:52,735 Speaker 4: very experienced who might be able to help you out. 1760 01:38:52,775 --> 01:38:56,855 Speaker 4: But it is pretty challenging what you're it seems simple, 1761 01:38:57,295 --> 01:39:01,935 Speaker 4: but it may not be. All right, Okay, just stay 1762 01:39:01,975 --> 01:39:03,295 Speaker 4: on the lines, Julie. I'll be with you in just 1763 01:39:03,335 --> 01:39:07,415 Speaker 4: a moment, righty, oh, let's rip it. I think we'll 1764 01:39:07,415 --> 01:39:11,015 Speaker 4: take a short break. Redkline passed live and in person. 1765 01:39:11,375 --> 01:39:13,735 Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to this, ladies and gentlemen. We'll be 1766 01:39:13,775 --> 01:39:16,375 Speaker 4: back talking all things gardening and the wonderful world of 1767 01:39:16,415 --> 01:39:18,535 Speaker 4: bugs with rud straight after the break. 1768 01:39:19,095 --> 01:39:22,015 Speaker 1: For more from the Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp, listen 1769 01:39:22,135 --> 01:39:24,935 Speaker 1: live to News Talks 't B on Sunday mornings from six, 1770 01:39:25,255 --> 01:39:27,335 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.