1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: If you believe it or can believe it. The Boomtown 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Rats are marking fifty odd years in the business, and 3 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: the group wouldn't be the only thing that Bob Geldof did, 4 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: of course, that changed music all the world. It's also 5 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: the fortieth anniversary of band Aid. He put it all 6 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: together in a stage show and got a couple of 7 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: dates here. It's called an Evening with Bob Geldoff. Songs 8 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: and Stories from an Extraordinary Life, and the great Bob 9 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: Geldoff is with us. Good morning, good morning, good to 10 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: see you you too, mate. We were talking about health 11 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: off air and because you look amazing, because the last 12 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: time I was explaining on the show before you arrived, 13 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: last time I saw you was twenty years ago and 14 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: you didn't look a lot different then. So either you 15 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: were aging. 16 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 2: You've got to say something else you look terrible to me. 17 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, yeah, you were. 18 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: You were either aging poorly then and brilliantly now. I 19 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: don't know what's going on, but you look and fine 20 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: fettle and good health. But it does remind me of 21 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: in talking about health and all the performance stuff. To 22 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: do something each day, to have purpose, keeps you young 23 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: is that fair? Do you think? 24 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: Absolutely fair? There's you know, if a human doesn't have 25 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: purpose and it can be whatever, then what's it about? 26 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 2: You know, there has to be some point to existence, 27 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 2: I guess. And the problem with unemployment is simply that, 28 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 2: you know, you fall into this sort of you know, 29 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: I don't dissitute this lethargy and you can't get up. 30 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 2: It's just like I woke up and now what. And 31 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: it's a very good point because I tend to do things. 32 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 2: If the phone doesn't ring, I get worried and I 33 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 2: then have some mad idea that I'll embark on. And 34 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 2: because I live in London, the possibility of an idea 35 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 2: happening is quite high. So two days later it's these 36 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: people ring me. Yeah, let's do that. And five years later, 37 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: I'm still involved in this thing that bored me in 38 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: the first place. I never wanted to start it. So yeah, 39 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 2: that's it. And I don't even know, like, you know, 40 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: I just get up and do stuff. 41 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: That's it, And it's worked out, okay, hasn't it? 42 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: In general? Yeah? I mean, you know, I think most 43 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 2: people think they get up and do a job, and 44 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 2: they're not particularly satisfied with the job. But imagine if 45 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 2: you didn't do that, you know, you can't imagine. 46 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: Do you still enjoy performing? 47 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:18,399 Speaker 2: I do. It's very cathartic and it varies, like this 48 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 2: thing we're doing. I mean, you've read the long opening 49 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: to it. I said, why call it? Why call it 50 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 2: the life and extraor whatever? I said, I just call 51 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 2: it life WTF, you know, because you know who'd have thought? So? 52 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: I do enjoy doing this because it's why would I 53 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 2: do it? Because it was put to me just before 54 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 2: Christmas in Australia when I was talking about band Aid 55 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,679 Speaker 2: the fortieth anniversary, and they said, why don't you tell 56 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: those stories in this sort of show thing? And I'd 57 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 2: seen the An Evening with stuff where you just sit 58 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: down with a guy like yourself, and I do these 59 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: interviews all the time, and I didn't want to do that. 60 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 2: And I'd seen Springsteen's One Man Show, I'd seen Bono's 61 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 2: One Man Show. They're both Irish. I'm Irish. We can 62 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: tell stories, and I thought I'd do it more like that, 63 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: more theatrical, with you know, visuals and songs and all that. 64 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: And I really enjoy it because it's not something i'd 65 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: normally do in the summer. As you said, the rats 66 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 2: are fifty, we'll do all the big festivals. And then 67 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,239 Speaker 2: we're talking off Mike about you know, suddenly Bobby Boontown's 68 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 2: in the house and it's lame for anyone listening. But 69 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: the you know, the sagacious, quiet person you're listening to 70 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: right now becomes something else, and that band start up, 71 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: and it must be that the music excites me and 72 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,119 Speaker 2: I go absolutely nuts and I don't mean to. It's 73 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: not something considered and by the end of it, I'm 74 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: completely exhausted. But it's a great Catharsis. It's a great 75 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:54,119 Speaker 2: sense of something being done. I was going to say 76 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 2: being achieved, but that's two grand so. 77 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: That the show goes on. In reading you in Australia 78 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: can go for all any length of time. 79 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, a thing you and I did a thing in 80 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: two thousand and six with the great Malcolm MacLaren, you know, 81 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: certainly a cultural avatar of our times, you know, Vivian Westwards, 82 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 2: partner and designer and the Sex Pistols manager and one 83 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 2: of the great speakers. Yeah, and did you that some 84 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 2: did The audience asked him a question and the answer 85 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 2: took up forty five minutes and he never once addressed 86 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 2: the question. So it's a bit like that with this show. 87 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: It can it can't bring a sleeping bag, It's all 88 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 2: I'm saying. It could go on. 89 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: By the way, speaking of Irish people, Colin mcgrigord, you 90 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: realize he wants to run for the President of Ireland. 91 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Woody, he's creep. 92 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: Okay, so not no vote from Bob. 93 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: Did you see how he humiliated himself and Ireland with Trump? 94 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: You know? Awful? I mean I had so many memes 95 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 2: from people saying how shame they are? 96 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: You know, did you do you from where you came from? 97 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: Speaking of Ireland? When you start out, you know, in 98 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: the meat works and the diggers and stuff, do you 99 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: appreciate what you've achieved more as opposed to have been 100 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: born into it and you've got a guitar and success 101 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: came your way, And no. 102 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 2: I don't appreciate it because it's if you're living a 103 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 2: life as anyone listening or you know, it's sort of 104 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 2: a linear thing. In retrospecting, things appear inevitable. The only 105 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 2: thing I know is that because I was offered no choices, 106 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 2: Ireland was very poor. My dad had no money. I 107 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: did nothing in school, so you know, you leave and 108 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 2: you invent yourself into being. And the only thing I 109 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 2: know is that initially I just went for jobs where 110 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: I could get a bit of money, take me to 111 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 2: the next country, the next job. Something was going to happen, 112 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 2: and I was working towards something when out of the 113 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: blue the band started. But I would always take that 114 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 2: road left traveled, and that seemed to me to offer 115 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 2: the most opportunities. And even when the band was really 116 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: peaking at its height, I got distracted by something that 117 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 2: interested me. And if it interests me, and it's got 118 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: something to do with an interest in the past, and 119 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,559 Speaker 2: I'll go down that route. So but everything spins off 120 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:28,679 Speaker 2: of rock and roll, really, everything spins off of it. 121 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 2: Things were not great when I was a kid, so 122 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 2: the only avenues of possibility were suggested by you know, 123 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 2: John and Paul, Mick and Keith, Bob and Pete and 124 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 2: those people. And I clung onto that. And the message 125 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: seemed to be that the world was not immutable, that 126 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 2: change was necessary, desirable, inevitable. And because I was young 127 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 2: and listening to these people suggesting that rock and roll 128 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 2: became the rhetoric of change and indeed the platform, so 129 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:01,119 Speaker 2: that leads you to live aid, you know that sort 130 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 2: of stuff, and uh, you know, retrospectively again, all the 131 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: other stuff spins out of that fact. That's central fact 132 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: of pop music and rock and roll, which seems, I suppose, 133 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: seemingly lame, but for me was a true a golden 134 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 2: thread lowered out of the purple ether of rock and 135 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: roll which I've clung on too ferociously ever since. 136 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: A couple of quick questions before I forget, I don't 137 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: know that most people know this. What was it called 138 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: PS twenty four year company? It was planning twenty yeah, yeah, 139 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: and it got sold eventually. But did you ben survival? 140 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? 141 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: See, people don't know that about you. They think band 142 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: aid and I don't like mondays, but don't put it 143 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: on my gravestone. Did you clip the ticket on it? 144 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: Did I what clip the ticket? 145 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: You know? 146 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: Did the money come flying? 147 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: That was? That was that was the big payoff. 148 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: That was the magic. 149 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. We had So after live Aid, I hadn't worked 150 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 2: for two years because you know, trying to all do 151 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 2: all this stuff and focus on it and set up 152 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: the structure and the trust and the actual enabling of 153 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: you know, putting everything into place. And I was broke 154 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 2: because I promised that every single penny we got will 155 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 2: go to someone in need. And after we're forty years 156 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: old now I have to tell you that not a 157 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: single sandwich, cup of coffee or phone call has come 158 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 2: out of that money. And we do it every day. 159 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: But I was broke, and the band, because we hadn't 160 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: worked for two years, they'd gone off and done separate things. 161 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: Pete became a big producer. Some of the band played 162 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 2: with other guys. So the first thing I did was 163 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 2: write a book. Then I did some ads to get 164 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: some money. Then I started making solo records. But because 165 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: I've been as I say, everything spins off rock and roll, 166 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: because I've been in music for ten years, on every 167 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: TV and radio show, it was second nature to me. 168 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: So I set up a TV company with two friends 169 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 2: of mine, and again the attitude was very like the Rats, 170 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: was very punk. You know, let's turn over the apple cards. 171 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: There's got to be something underneath it, and there was. 172 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 2: We had a the go go, go to rock and 173 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: roll show of the nineties was the word that was ours, 174 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 2: and there was. We had the Breakfast franchise for ten years, 175 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: two hours every day, five days a week. That was 176 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: the big make or break thing. But out of the 177 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 2: word came there was a section called I do anything 178 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: to be on television, and you know, it got grotesque 179 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 2: people as people wrote in with things. And I remember 180 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: once was a lady of ninety in a bath full 181 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 2: of worms being kissed by a seventeen year old boy 182 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 2: and that is grotesque. And I mean it probably appeared 183 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: to your you know, disgusting sense of humor in this country. 184 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: But you know, I just thought no. So we got 185 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 2: called in by Channel four, which is the alternative channel 186 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: in the UK, and they said, look, there's this new 187 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 2: thing called reality television. We want you to make this edgy, 188 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 2: you know sort of thing. We said, what are you 189 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: talking about? He said, you know, like police cameras action 190 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 2: you get real footage of people being arrested and all 191 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: that stuff. And Charlie, my partner, just said, that's our reality. 192 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 2: And he said, so what is reality? And life is reality? 193 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: You're compressed into this short time period with all these 194 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 2: pressures put upon you. How do you deal with that? 195 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 2: And you know, you've got to make friends with people, 196 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: So what happens if that's artificially constructed over a short 197 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 2: period of time and people get to vote on whether 198 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: you know they like you or not. And so that 199 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 2: was Survivor. We sold it first to Scandinavia. We never 200 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 2: made it. We saw Scandava and Charlie said, look, people 201 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: will react to this very differently. You need to profile 202 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 2: people coming on this. And I think I can't remember 203 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: which country exactly ran at first, Sweden, Norway, Denmarks and 204 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: the first guy I think voted off killed himself. I 205 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 2: think that's what happened, and the place went nuts and 206 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 2: they hadn't profiled he was very vulnerable. People had, you know, 207 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 2: his peers had voted him off, and so I think 208 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 2: it was went off the air, but everywhere else bought it. 209 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 2: That's as sick it was, you know. So in America 210 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: turned out to be the Beatles of television. So Beyonce 211 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 2: did I'm a Survivor, Destiny's Child. Pontiac brought out the 212 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 2: Pontiac Survivor and yeah, we killed it and we never 213 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: made it. We franchised it. 214 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: And the idea is the magic though, wasn't it the magic? 215 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 1: The idea? 216 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, And you know, thank God for Survivor. 217 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 2: You know. 218 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: I watched you on British television last year. I felt 219 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: bad for you. When the fortieth anniversary aband out live, 220 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: I came along because I thought that it summed up 221 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: everything that's gone wrong with the world. What you did 222 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: forty years ago was a stroke of genius and was 223 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: done from the heart and for the right reasons. Forty 224 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: years later, it's a Wina thon. It's like, yeah, you 225 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: tear you're preaching to the Africans. It's like, you know, 226 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: let's tew. The world is changed, isn't it. 227 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, there were two things going on. One is you 228 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: want to keep as many people alive as possible from 229 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 2: starving in a world of food surplus. It's absurd. And 230 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 2: then there's a newer sensibility which is completely different to 231 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 2: what we were doing about especially from the children of 232 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 2: African emigrets, a pride and where they come from, and 233 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 2: they feel this is sort of shameful, you know that, 234 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 2: what's it? But we didn't care what sort of people 235 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 2: were dying. If they were Martians, if it was happening 236 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 2: in Yorkshire, it was happening in Wellington, I'd have done 237 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 2: the same exactly. And so you know, there's two separate issues. 238 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 2: You understand both of them, but one gets in the 239 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 2: way of the other. The simple act of helping them. 240 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 2: Just change your head. Let me give you a hand 241 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 2: up here, mate. Yeah, and that's all it was exactly Mike. 242 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: Good to see you. Yeah you too, after twenty years, 243 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: come back in another twenty Malcamist, you'll be ninety, tell 244 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: you pretty malgamist. Lovely to see you. How a good 245 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: couple of we'll give the details. Nice to see you, 246 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: Sir Bob Gelder. 247 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 2: For more from The Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 248 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: news Talks at B from six am weekdays, or follow 249 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.